I really wanted to see your reaction with you at the time of the premiere - I was waiting for it ... Unfortunately, life made it possible for me to listen to this song with you only now. I'm not surprised - I knew this song would delight you musically and vocally. It's a great song! For that you surprised me that you decided to post two live versions - it's a great decision, thank you for that! However, once again - with all my love for NW live performances - the most interesting vocally and musically for me is the studio version, because it contains everything that cannot be realized live. Maybe it could even be done, but it would be difficult and the effect would not be guaranteed. Tarja's vocals recorded separately and stacked together sound great and the instrumental fragments are amazing - you really want to hear it! It's really fun to see the band live in 1999 and compare them to what they are today. You can clearly see how great a group they were back then and they still are! I am not surprised to see how focused Tuomas and the rest of the band are - they were perfectionists then and wanted the music to sound great - and to sound! And then you move us 20 years later and we hear a band richer in experience all these years. Could Floor copy Tarja? Of course, she could and probably would quite neatly do it for her, but she does not do it, because few artists want to copy someone else - she would only be a good craftsman. And someone like her creates her own version of the original and does it great! In the Buenos Aires version, the band has a great asset - Troy! I often say that Troy enriched this band a lot - you can hear it here. Emppu has a lot more freedom with the support of Troy's guitar, his flute is a real flute, so Tuomas has more freedom on the keyboards - the instrumental layer benefits from this. If I would like to list these three versions, the studio version comes to me the most, then the live version with Tarja, because it's nice to return to the history of the band and Tarja's wonderful voice, and then the version from Buenos Aires, because I see an experienced band enriched with new vocal and instrumental elements.
Hello Guylain. There are a lot of reactions to Nightwish on RUclips. But I noticed that young guys usually focus on picture, background and don't go into essence of song, poetry. And there are some channels where older guys (and you too) analyze all subtleties of song and you feel emotion and energy of song. Those kinds of reactions are most interesting to me as a viewer. Thank you! This Finnish band has been a favorite of mine for over 20 years. Tuomas in 1999 performance is not just focused, he is almost in a semi-conscious state. As he said himself, he could barely contain himself from fainting from excitement and fear and from throwing up. It was their first appearance on television and immediately on main channel in Finland. Before that they had only one live show in their hometown of Kitee where they recorded official video for song "Sacrament of wilderness". During previous year Tuomas and Empu were doing their compulsory military service, and they had no opportunity to perform in public. Most comfortable in front of cameras is Tarja, who is used to public appearances as a student at Sibelius Academy.
Estoy de acuerdo con usted. Qué hermosa grabación del joven NW. Sí, Tarja es única. Tiene una voz que me gusta mucho. Eres bienvenido en cualquier momento en mi canal YT. Je suis d’accord avec toi. Quel bel enregistrement du jeune NW. Oui, Tarja est unique. Elle a une voix que j’aime beaucoup. Tu est la bienvenue en tout temps, sur ma chaîne YT.
I agree with you, Troy definitely gives another dimension to the old songs with his instruments. He was the missing piece of the band, he fits perfectly. Experience and maturity have given more credit to all the members. Emppu was an excellent musician, he's now even better. It's so great to be able to listen to the olds songs with Floor without cringing. But I'm hopeless, I'll always be nostalgic about Tarja. Hearing Tarja sing "without you the poetry within me is dead" gives me goosebumps, not with Floor and God knows how I love Floor and how wonderful she is.
You might have a clue in what you said : never forget that Tuomas wrote this with Tarja in mind. Exactly the way he wrote "Human. :||: Nature." with Floor in mind. I am not sure nobody will ever sing this album, but Floor. The song is built for Tarja, but Floor can defend the song very well. They are so great!
That was a tv program called Lista, the list, they did go through the songs on the top of the chart. There was an interview also with Tuomas and Tarja. Tuomas did write amazing song at such young age, not that he ever stopped writing amazing songs. We can only thank Nightwish for they Decades tour going back to these old song and being on stage overall, otherwise we would have seen them last on tour in 2015....hope they will he back next year. Thanks again for a nice reaction of a another great song. Merci beaucoup :)
You have got your hands full with this réaction Guylain! Triple time! To me this song is a staple in their catalog it was like the third song I listen to after She is My Sin and Stargazers. This is one of the songs that got me hooked on them! Great! Merci! Bonne semaine!
You walked my path, man. Or maybe, I walked yours. Didn't we meet somewhere there in the shadows? :) These same songs brought me into NIGHTWISH's realm. Hope Brother Guylain listens to the other 2 named as well, for himself - great, energizing, rejuvenating songs! Darkness and light, comfort of the stars (the road that led to "Endlessness...") and the turmoil of earthly emotions - all delivered with signature NIGHTWISH flair. Have to go listen now, I talked myself into it. :)))
@@bigg2988 Perhaps we walked the Elvenpath! With trepidation we took the road less traveled by and it made a significant difference to far away strangers. These songs kicked the door open and forge the beginning trademark. Watching them in that video is to me like remembering the 2000 show in Montréal. Energy blazing! We have arrived in North America! Meanwhile in 2018(Montréal) with Floor is was also magical she put her spice and windmill!! Catching the train of thought and time! See you later!
Belle reaction - Great that you found the live versions of the young and older NW. Both versions are great - Tarja and Floor both bring something beautiful to the table.
I really appreciate the earlier NW pieces in that they adapt a lot of existing stories to music. A story of Gethsemane here or Tolkien, Eddings and others in Elvenpath; Story, Myth and Fantasy brought to life in music
Hi Quylain, you know already that the Oceanborn is my favourite album and yes you are in it. Gesthimane is one of my favourite song of the album,i do i love all, but this song love more because they played the first years in lives and i always loved to seeing Tarja to singing better and better in time. Of course i like Floor's version and i was happy to played live again for the new fans. I like Tarja's version more because I used to hearing from Tarja for twenty years now and this can not change. I like the studio version very much indeed, all the guys are perfect. Tuomas, Emppu, Jukka and Sami are great for their age, very good musicians also, love this NW era sooooo much. They played in small clubs in some European cities and in Finland. Small audience but all enjoyed the music. I have a lot of videos from this era from the fans an d i am exciting to know, how much great they are now. We are still in the Oceanborn and in first complete album, yes all of the previous singers and musicians do great job,i don't want this thing new fans to forget never. I was pretty sure that you like the instruments and vocals of Tarja, especially Emmpu's solo are so great, Jukka just perfect as always Tuomas was the master mind behind the scene a great composer and songwriter an amazing song of power symphonic metal. Great reaction Quylain, happy face all the time, loving to seeing your smile. The better will come next suterday with analysis video. Till then,be safe and happy.
@@GuylainPrince My friend, I am near Detroit. Disappointed? HA! Gethsemane has been a long time staple in my playlist, very happy you took it on! As stated before, I am loving your videos, especially your in depth breakdowns/insights. Even if we disagree on something! Keep up the great work. I appreciate your take on things!
Like I say : I don't want to be right. I want to understand the song. So, if you present me with another understanding that makes sense to me, I will adopt it immediately. Feel always free to disagree, here.
@@GuylainPrince The beauty of art, we can share freely... Your interpretation and mine only matter intrinsically to ourselves, but I do indulge in seeing others views to enlighten myself! You say say you don't want to be right, yet you are by your own view of beautiful art! Your "Understanding" is correct for you and I love it! Especially if I see differently, as it gives me reason to think more deeply! Much love Friend and keep 'em coming!
What a lovely reaction, and three versions! I love the live performance from -99, they are so young and so dedicated to the music. Thank you for this, looking forward to your analysis of the lyrics.
This was again wonderful. Nice to compare those three versions. Like said before, great to see the development of the band by seeing these different versions directly after oneother.
I'm so happy I've discovered your channel. Going on this musical journey with you makes me rediscover songs I've loved for more than 15 years and see them in another light. Thank you
To be quite frank, I can say that Nightwish has given me the most wonderful musical experience in years... I am a true fan, now, and I can honestly say : Thanks to the NW Army!
Nice that you did several versions of this. Actually I started to follow them since they did these songs at the first time in 1998. Note how young they are...and boys have short hair because just done military service.
Merci encore pour cette rétrospective avec des archives musicales. Votre prémisse est intéressante sur la compositions des chansons de Nightwish. Étant un pseudo vieux fan de leur musique, je me suis toujours demandé qu'en découvrant Nightwish qu'avec l'album Angel Fall First j'aurais poursuivi l'aventure. À cette époque, j'écoutais des chansons beaucoup plus pesantes constamment et mon oreille avait de la difficulté avec plusieurs chanson de AFF. Oceanborn fut mon entrée définitive, car j'y retrouvais les sonorités familières du style Power Metal de 1995-2000. Je suis d'accord que le groupe va au-delà d'un seul genre musical et je pense que Tuomas le voyait déjà à ce moment. La chanson Gethsemane et cet album son très important dans ma façon d'aborder la musique. Il restera dans mon coeur, mais cela n'empêche pas d'apprécier l'évolution de Nightwish vers des complexités et des explorations différentes qui font d'eux un groupe important dans la grande famille de la musique. Salutations! À partir d'ici le manège accélère et prend des courbes rapidement pour ensuite suivre d'autres rebondissements imprévisibles!
Ha ha ha ! Cher Vieux-jeune fan! Merci de me faire apprécier l'histoire et la richesse du répertoire, par vos propos. Toujours agréable de vous lire! Au plaisir!
Please brother Guylain, keep going with Oceanborn songs. I'm glad you found that live performance, I hope more reactors take a look on that young Nightwish. Take care, au revoir
Je suis fan de nightwish, votre chaîne est juste une mine d'or à mes yeux, je crois que je vais passer les vacances à regarder les analyses de nightwish, votre voix est très immersive, bravo!
Thank you truly for bringing back memories. It is a wondrous song, with the Poet contemplating his cross (we will get to the one where he IS crucified... and beheaded). But the version from the vaults that you picked with the young band had my heart racing! To see Emppu in the period before he grew the long hair, that must be from another millennium! Oh wait, literally. :)))) The "resurrection" of the song for the "Decades" tour more than did it justice, and I am sure brought old fans into extasy. (I have seen videos of guys in the crowd chanting the opening riff, can you believe it.) And the new lovers of music - they deserved to know this one, absolutely. To make an additional note - you really accentuated well the main strengths and virtues of both star vocalists: the practically inimitable, classical, haunting delivery of Tarja, and the great "singing actress" style of Floor, which basically encompasses any variety of styles a song needs to really capture us. That is why Floor often makes people emotional when they do not even expect that, and that is why many say she makes songs her own. Except for those classics where we are so used to Tarja's voice, that it seemingly cannot be torn and separated from the fabric of the song. Btw, Floor consciously chose to work out her own interpretations of the old hits, stepping away from classical delivery, in order not to compete with Tarja. Thus we have not one singer mimicking the other and trying to "recreate" the past, but get 2 full-blooded versions of the same song... like two world-class conductors directing Beethoven's 9th each in their own reading. I'd say we are blessed.
On this, I TO-TA-LY agree! From Beste Zangers, we know now that Floor can do anything (if singing for NW was not enough), and recreates a song. This is what she did here, and what she will do for Sleeping Sun (I already recorded the reaction vid, for this one). She is a GREAT singer. Tarja has the priviledge to be the groundbreaking diva. They cannot be replaced; they are the first. They have a unique place in the historiy of RnR !
Amazing Job *Guylain* !! I really love this format!!! I've never saw the live version with Tarja, and i was very surprise, gave me chills!! I only discover this song with Floor in the Decades DVD and i was sold immediately, i prefer the Nightwish 2019 with Floor but it's really special to listen the song's roots! And i really wish you continue in this path, it makes even more enjoyable see the evolution through singers, musicans and time! Who knows if you will be doing a song and react to the live versions of Tarja, Anette and Floor! That would pretty dope! And don't care about longer videos ahah at least for me, i was enjoying so much your reaction and we all love Nightwish, so more time, the better!! Cheers *Guylain*, be safe, be healthy and can't wait for the lyric breakdown!
Another great reaction, thank you Brother. I think you are right in that the song is about someone using the Agony in The Garden as a framing device for their own suffering. I personally like Tara's interpretation more, though they are both exallent.
As a band, the 2019, is a better one, and it is normal. Floor chose to make it differently, something I respect. Completely. As you will see, she will make the same decision with "Sleeping Sun". We are up to a great ride!
Oh, that old live version is a real gem! Thanks for digging it up for all of us to enjoy. And a great reaction as always! 🙂 Looking forward to your analysis!
Je suis entièrement d'accord avec vous, il est évident que Nightwish a une solide base de musique classique. Il y a le metal et il y a Nightwish groupe qui est unique La voix de Tarja est bien plus adaptée à cette chanson que celle de Floor et puis elle vit la chanson. Comme ils sont jeunes, ou là là en 1999 . Je suis comme vous les instruments de Troy sont vraiment supers., quant à Empuu quel guitariste !!!
Empu est sous-estimé. Beaucoup. Il fait ce qu'il soit faire, son travail. Quand ce doit être complexe, il le fait. Quand c'est purement mélodique, mais tout simple, il le fait, sans chercher à en imposer. Je le trouve vraiment solide et doté d'un goût sûr!
Reading subtitles gives me a headache but Toumas holopainen is a poet, a poet that should be respected. I love that you also love this. I just know you do. Thoumos is our time, Mozart, I’m so glad to be able to listen to his genius 😊😊😊 I do love your reaction. I just only learning Cebuano now so French is a little confusing 😂 , you’re welcome to the Philippines though 👍
Hi Guylain, I'm not that keen on the early Nightwish, but it's good to see you back and in fine form. I was delighted to catch you say "on y va", which was the name of the French textbook I had at school. I'm afraid I've lost most of the French I had, but I do recognise the occasional phrase. Take care of yourself and stay safe. Santé!
Well, a good way could be to put on the French subtitles. In this video, in particular, I spoke heavily in my mother tongue. I think it would be difficult, event for French from France, to understand. Not an "international French" at all!
Live version, my ears say yes yes but my eyes say no no. Thats was a lot of fun. Tuomas (is it really Tuomas ? :-)) look so concentrated with every touch on the keys.
And here i was panicking thinking i missed it because i was late today, but no, Guylain predicted this and chose to premiere tomorrow ;) Much appreciated!
Wellwell, Guylain, a threesome. As i and you said before, Nightwish is not a metal band, than something greater beyond. You are absolutely right about the live performances. The1999 show is a remarkable good take by the young shorthaired band. Tarja had dark and majestic vocals there. The 2018 performance is a take from a seasoned professional musicians. Floor is the best allround singer in the world, but she's not at her best with the dark operatic tones. Although she did them very well. Thank you and see you soon!
Belle réaction :) Si tu veux des bons videos live d'Oceanborn ne passe pas à coté de Stargazers !!!! Une de mes préférée est The Pharaoh Sails to Orion mais je ne pense pas que Floor l'est déjà chanté et Sacremernt of wilderness est aussi excellente et chanté par les deux chanteuses. Très bon video Guylain, il est vrai que les racines de Nightwish sont très présentes, le côté Épique et symphonique mais les premiers albums ont une influence plus Power Métal que les derniers.
Oui. en effet. Quatre guitares, dans les oreilles... Merci pour les suggestions. J'ai fini d'enregistrer mes réactions. Donc, il ne me reste qu'à profiter de l'album à plein. Je m'en occupe!
I grew up with Tarja's interpretation and it will always have a important place in the memories of my youth. But 20 years later, the band with Floor revitalized the song. It is current and metal and everything this song should be 20 years into it's journey. Maybe they would have gone there with Tarja but we will never know and I really think they would have not. So the 1st version was perfect back then, the 2nd version is an even better fit for now, in my humble opinion. PS Yes I also think that all Floor's versions are more natural.
Well the question of being "natural" is always asked to "opera" and lyric singers. There are "maniérisme" habits that I don't like at all; sometimes it feels "artificial" or non natural. Tarja does not suffer from that. In show, I have seen her being very natural as well!
Grandissimo Guylain. Dopo il primo video live ho guardato la barra in basso e mi sono accorto che eravamo circa a metà video e mi sono detto "Ecco, il frate non ha resistito a Floor" :) :) :) . Comunque bellissimo vedere come sono cresciuti i nostri ragazzi... ed è davvero incredibile rendersi conto che già agli inizi i Nightwish sapevano produrre pezzi di un calibro che la maggior parte delle altre band non raggiungono nemmeno a fine carriera. Eccezionali. Parlando del contenuto: sono abbastanza sorpreso di vedere come agli inizi della loro storia, molti pezzi fossero a sfondo religioso mentre ai giorni nostri, la band è diventata essenzialmente atea... (gli ultimi due album, in particolare, son un manifesto anti-religioso). Cosa ne pensi Guylain? Grazie mille per la tua reazione, come sempre è una gioia vederti ascoltare e godere questa fantastica musica. Saluti dalla Svizzera :)
Oh! Una persona che parla italiano dalla Svizzera! Sei una specie rara! :-) Grazie per le gentili parole. Per quanto riguarda il lato antireligioso del Nightwish, sono convinto che ci sia, in effetti, un membro antireligioso. Non credo che sia il caso di Tuomas. Sento davvero che ha un'anima contemplativa, unita a una franca delusione per le religioni organizzate. Soprattutto quando sono divisi e di vedute ristrette. Continuiamo il nostro viaggio attraverso il loro repertorio. Vedremo. Per quanto mi riguarda, mi piace molto. Come ho detto alla fine di Human: Nature. "Se mi piace il 98,5% delle loro canzoni, allora sono felice. Sono in grado di superare, le canzoni che mi piacciono di meno. Oh! Un italianophone de la suisse! Tu es une espèce rare! :-) MErci pour les bons mots. À propos du côté anti-religion de Nightwish, je suis convaincu qu’il y a, en effet, un deux membres anti-religieux. Je ne crois pas que ce sois le cas de Tuomas. J’ai vraiment l’impression qu’il a une âme contemplative, couplée avec une franche déception pour les religions organisées. Surtout lorsqu’eles sont sources de division et d’étroitesse d’esprit. Continuons notre parcours à travers leur répertoire. Nous verrons bien. Quant à moi, j’aime vraiment beaucoup. Comme j’ai dit à la fin de « Human.:||: Nature. », si j’aime 98,5% de leur chansons, alors je suis heureux. Je suis capable de passer « par-dessus », les chansons que j’aime moins.
@@GuylainPrince Eh si amico mio, siamo una specie rara (circa 350'000 persone che vivono nel sud del paese) ma ci siamo, un po' come voi francofoni del Québec! Sull'aspetto religioso, Tuomas si è recentemente schierato apertamente insieme a Troy, dichiarandosi "Openly secular" (detto altrimenti: ateo). ruclips.net/video/ZJuWLkTwtFs/видео.html Io sono sempre rimasto sorpreso di questa "involuzione" (all'inizio della sua carriera era cristiano) perché si capisce che Tuomas è una persona che sa vedere più in là del suo naso. Può essere che le religioni organizzate lo abbiano deluso (in effetti succede anche a me che sono cristiano e cattolico di essere deluso talvolta dalle istituzioni ecclestiastiche... ma non butto via tutto perché non sono d'accordo o deluso del comportamento di qualche persona ieri o oggi). Non capisco come una persona così profonda (contemplativa, come dici tu), capace di commuoversi per la bellezza del creato (aspetta di vedere The Greatest Show on Earth, l'anno prossimo!) possa credere che sia davvero nato tutto per caso. Boh, non lo so. Comunque adoro i nightwish e spero in cuore mio che rimangano fedeli al loro animo. Non si sa mai che cambi di nuovo idea. Intanto grazie mille per la risposta (e complimenti per l'italiano!). Potrei scriverti anche in francese o inglese, ma a volte mi è difficile esprimere certi concetti in lingue che non sono la mia lingua madre. Sono contento di poter scrivere in italiano e che capisca lo stesso! Se preferisci rispondermi in francese non ti preoccupare, lo capisco molto bene, come anche l'inglese. Non è necessario che tu perda troppo tempo per rispondere in due lingue :).
La presenza del francese nel messaggio è molto semplice. L'ho già spiegato nei miei video sull'album "Human. :||: Nature. ». Scrivo la mia risposta in francese e una piccola applicazione traduce il mio testo in italiano. Dato che parlo italiano, mi assicuro che sia tutto a posto, ma è tutto fatto in modo semplice e veloce. Gli artisti del Québec dovevano prendere le distanze dalla Chiesa cattolica, che qui era molto potente. Dopo 20 o 30 anni, questi stessi artisti sono andati nella direzione opposta. Sì, si sono resi conto che potevamo essere in disaccordo senza gettare tutto in mare. Una posizione che è cristiana, forse anche cattolica, e critica (della Chiesa e della società) rimane per me preferibile a qualsiasi altra cosa. Ecco dove mi trovo! La présence de français dans le message est très simple. Je me suis déjà expliqué sur ça dans mes vidéos sur l’album « Human. :||: Nature. ». J’écris ma réponse en français et une petite application traduit mon texte en italien. Comme je parle italien, je m’assure que tout est OK, mais tout cela est fait simplement et rapidement. Les artistes du Québec ont eu le besoin de se distancier de l’église catholique qui était très puissante, ici. Après 20 ou 30, ces mêmes artistes ont vécu le chemin inverse. Oui, ils ont réalisé qu’on pouvait être en désaccord sans tout balancer par dessus bord. Une pesture qui est chrétienne, peut-être même catholique, et critique (de l’église et de la société) demeure pour moi préférable à toute autre chose. C’est là que je me situe!
Mr Guylain if you like Nightwish, do check out Therion.I think you will like their music. Here's the link to a live show of theirs with an actual live orchestra and choir (which I think is a good entry point). Part 1, Metal covers of classical compositions: ruclips.net/video/y_Hwb26adXw/видео.html Part 2, their own songs with the live orchestra: ruclips.net/video/AS9r-SPVGQQ/видео.html They both have timestamps to each track, so happy listening! Really hoping you'll do an analysis on one of their songs! Greetings from Greece
Bonjour et merci pour cet enthousiasme contagieux ! J'imagine que "Beauty of the beast" a déjà été recommandée lors de vos vidéos sur "beauty and the beast" , mais je me permets de vous la re-conseiller, vous qui aimez le prog : c'est très certainement leur chanson qui est le plus "prog", justement . Et les paroles sont tellement fortes !
Vraiment ? J'ai trouvé "beauty and the beast" mais pas "beauty Of the beast". Mais de toute façon "beauty of the beast" ne respecte pas l'ordre chronologique des albums, donc je vais patienter !
Hi my friend. Excellent and beautiful song, one of my favorites. Please, dont forget listen Haggard and Therion, Eppur si Mouve and Blood of Kingu, in its order
J'ai été très supris de ne pas voir NEMO choisie parmi le top 25 de NW. Donc, elle ne fait pas des chansons que je ferai à l'automne. Seulement de l'époque de Annette et Floor. L'époque de Tarja est complétée! Désolé!
@@GuylainPrince pas de souci, c'est étonnant, surtout quand on sait que nemo est une musique emblématique du groupe, tout comme ghost love score, même si ce n'est pas le même niveau ^^
Ambas cantan precioso pero seamos honestos yo a Nightwish conocí en 1999 y de ahí me sigue gustando. La versión con Tarja será mejor. Yo los ví en vivo en 2018 y se me hacía que estaba Tarja pero de verdad estuvo genial no me olvido más del concierto acá en Buenos Aires.
A slight tangent, but one that may fit the crisis theme of Gethsemane; if you get a chance examine the episode of the TV show Babylon 5 titled "Passing Through Gethsemane"
This is real Nightwish for me. Instrumental side were great in older songs. Now there is too much... hmm musical showing off. You know - there is a lot of art for art. This is for me H:N album. Too much singing acrobatics and weirdness and too few good music. Off course there are good parts but no single song of H:N is perfect to me - some parts I would skip. "Oceanborn", "Wishamaster" and "Once" are perfect. And I also prefer Tarja over Floor in the older songs. Buenos isn`t my fav show. Love Wacken, Wembley and Tampere but when I listen to Buenos`s "Slaying.." or "Dead Boy`s..." my teeth hurts. These song need strong voice of Tarja. Maybe I am old and there is huge sentiment to old times.
The artists, the one who broke into new grounds, are unique. The NW of 1998-1999, they did that. Nobody else made their history. Groundbreaking artists are irreplaceable. As you know, we are bound to disagree on H:||:N., because, to my taste, it ranks in the Top-5 of my life, with the greatest albums of the prog Golden Era (Yes and Genesis). When complexity is needed, let it be! Complexity with a purpose (and not for itself) is masterpiece. This being said, we cannot say that Gethsemane is not complex. It is. But, let's keep our common love for the NW of these years. There, we completely, and wholeheartedly agree.
I may agree but.. I hate NW fans common opinion that NW is messiah of music. Listening to H:N I think that the band heard that opnion and believed. To much for me. Music is music and should be enjoyable at first. Of course everyone has other taste but I see in this album some strong pressure to be unique. Unigue and greastest above all. Only "Heart" is written... hmm in relaxed way. And the last but most important. NW started from playing opera power metal. Now they are created as the greatst symphonic metal band of all times. That`s untrue. There were greater sm bands when NW started. Even now after those passed years. Yes NW were unique and still is but the same was Therion, 2000`s Within Temptation. THESE bands broke into new grounds. Tuomas is great composer, same as Christofer Johnsson - his "Theli" and "Vovin" made genre when NW started to understand the futher way. Ok. I love Tarja and Floor. But I prefere old music of NW and old music of Floor (AF). Sometimes 2x2 isn`t 4. H:N is awsome but as some manifest. Technical great job but there is a lot of albums that give me more joy and more reflection. Yes. I love NW but I am not unctritical.
Perfect thread. Let's express disagreement in a positive way : by bringing food for thought. I understand and agree with most of what you say @Draagnipur. One point I disagree with you : the fact that you feel concerned or prefer old NW might be caused by many things : the topics of the songs, the artistic direction of the album, etc. Personally, I resonate 100% with the topics and the music of Human.:||: Nature. Content and style. For me, and for many others, some of the songs are among the very best of their lives (Shoemaker, Endlessness, Procession, etc.). While we can recognize that I am more "touched by one album than another one", even of the same artist, it can be because of very personal reasons. Objectively, in term of musical and poetic mastery, the NW of 2020 is far better that the one of 1999; that does not mean that the songs connect with their fans and/or with the general public. From where I stand, in Canada, I think that HN is an album that could have open the doors to America, but with the COVID.... I am not sure anymore. In a period of crisis, people tend to go back to the "good oldies".
How beautiful to be different, isn`t it? There are a lot of bands you should know. Waiting Therion. But there are more. In my life I used to listen different music: from old rock like Led Zeppelin, Floyd, Guns to even 90`s pop and disco. Then something was happend and came: "Aegis", "Enter", "Vovin", "Wishmaster", "Beyond the Veil", "Decipher" and "Lake of Sorrow". These albums turn me into metal - my beloved ones. Everyone of them is very unique.
@@draagnipur8767 Always interesting to find out about the background of listeners. When nostalgia kicks in! Us old fans we all love our Tarja! Nightwish are very interesting! People like me that were not familiar with that type of music were plunged in a new world. The only similar bands I knew at that present time were Therion and Rhapsody. Therion brought me in but they are not part of my daily playlist. I still occasionally listen to Theli and Vovin. Coming from the side of metal with more aggressive tendencies I was not too much into the Gothic Metal scene. Some people close to me had other classifications for that style but I will not talked about it... Seeing Nightwish them live in Montreal was perhaps my peak moment for that genre. I know Nightwish are not Gothic Metal. As for the old versus the new I am torned and in way I do not have the sentiment for uniqueness and perfection. I have preferences that resonate in oneself but I also am critical to both the nostalgia and being in the present. Oceanborn is perhaps my favorite but it changes.To me getting older printed in me a sense of eclectism. To me there is no such thing as perfection we are flawed individuals and Oceanborn is part of that story. The old and not so old fans of Nightwish can choose the Era they want the old bombastic epicness or the later periods that incorporate more gymnastics and complexity but I still need two more solos!!!!Hihihi!! Complexity and awkwardness are no problems in my agenda because I to listen to prog but my tide goes to bands like Dream Theater, Opeth and Persefone. They have the wankery, the too much feeling, impossible time signatures but like I said no one is perfect. Everybody has favorites! That what makes this band special so special then and now. I took a distance over time and nostalgia. That's just me. I love both Floor and Tarja. Tuomas Holopainen is not the new Mozart or the Kwisatz Haderach. He is just a shy guy with talent and hardwork who showed is music to the world just like all is predecessors. He is for me a craftsman. Goodnight! Rock On!!
Even though I know this song was written to feature Tarja, I think Floor could have done a better job by interpreting it. I cannot feel any true emotion sent by Floor in her performance. The lyrics is perfectly aligned, written to last longer over decades, but it's emotional and Floor does not seem to openly express such emotional charge. I think this song is a good example of how outrageous is trying to make Floor replace Tarja in fans' imaginarium. Floor is really amazing in her vocal and stage performance, but making her cover Tarja feels like reopening older wounds.
But this is true of every new singer, trying to sing someone else's repertoire. Respectful and yet, putting her own twist on the song. Tarja is unique. And for those who knew her in the first place, irreplaceable !
Well, il semble en effet que la perte de la muse peut être fatale à certain. Ce ne fut pas le cas, oh que non!, for Tuomas! Il a dû recoller les morceaux, ceci dit. Et c'est normal.
The thing is that tarja maybe the best of us humans....but Floor is from another planet...tarja is good but one dimensional..Floor can sing anything she wants!
Every singer has a specialty, to find the right spot where there is excellence. In that kind of song, for me, Tarja is on another planet. Floor, excels as the front woman of a symphonic metal band. She is not the best in every "genre" she sings in, but she is among the best. I would say that she is the best female singer of rock, as we speak. To my taste, anyway!
Hi Guylain. Pleasure to see you being you. I wonder what you make of this song called "Grace". ruclips.net/video/E1Gwtep2oXw/видео.html It features the lovely Anneke van Giersbergen, the Dutch singer that inspired Floor Jansen.
Young Tarja: Sings lyrically because it's what she's best at and most comfortable with. Mature Floor: Sings whatever she feels the song needs. Both excellent (though Floor is my choice).
Well I think Floor killed Gethsemane...for me it´s a matter of pronunciation ..and where to put in the power of the voice...Floor has a better feeling for the music in my own honest opinion..!!
That's his concept of going through a band's discography from the early days to trace their development - musical and spiritual. You most probably know Guylain did the same treatment of EPICA? Of course 24 weeks of one band would be too much even for the hardcore fans, but that is understood, and a break is coming before Christmas. Surely there are scores of wonderful bands out there to delve into, like WITHIN TEMPTATION, XANDRIA, EX LIBRIS (with some luck going to become the best of them all, with their Prog structures topped by voice of a Diva)... AMBERIAN DAWN, EDENBRIDGE, LEAVES' EYES, VISIONS OF ATLANTIS... and we are not even leaving the female-fronted Symphonic land yet. If we ventured to Symphonic, Symphonic Power, or Symphonic Extreme directions, the life just expands and becomes more beautiful. :) Here's hope Guylain is here for the long ride, as he likes to assure us. :))
Well, I have been a RnR fan for... more than 40 years, by now. I love doing that. I have eternity in front of me. Why stop when we have so much fun? I know I do! Patience is the virtue, here!
What is this complaint about "more Epica songs"? Friar Guylain did the same journey with Epica that he's doing now with Nightwish. He's made 12 videos of reaction + 12 videos of analysis of Epica songs. Haven't you seen them? Go now and check his video list ! ;)
Wow, they are all with short hair. The pronunciation of Tarja is... is not very good. My opinion guys. Love Floor of course, she I understand what she is singing.
You are a bit harsh. The lyrical singers, by trade, pronounce English (and any other language) in a different way to keep the larynx open. Only Italian and Latin can be sung naturally with the throat and the mouth fully open. Coupled with the Finnish accent (some vowels are pronounced in an unexpected way), it is understandable. To me, there is nothing that surprising.
@@GuylainPrince fair enough, friar, but it shows that her English pronunciation in other songs is below par. Sometimes you can't understand what she is singing. Peace out
I agree with you. Sometimes, it is difficult to understand, but since I can't understand almost all the words from opera singers... there is no issue for me. But I agree, some of the vowels are sung in a very unexpected way. BTW, I noticed that it was true of EPICA as well at the beginning of their career. Now, it is not the case (with NW either).
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I really wanted to see your reaction with you at the time of the premiere - I was waiting for it ... Unfortunately, life made it possible for me to listen to this song with you only now. I'm not surprised - I knew this song would delight you musically and vocally. It's a great song! For that you surprised me that you decided to post two live versions - it's a great decision, thank you for that! However, once again - with all my love for NW live performances - the most interesting vocally and musically for me is the studio version, because it contains everything that cannot be realized live. Maybe it could even be done, but it would be difficult and the effect would not be guaranteed. Tarja's vocals recorded separately and stacked together sound great and the instrumental fragments are amazing - you really want to hear it!
It's really fun to see the band live in 1999 and compare them to what they are today. You can clearly see how great a group they were back then and they still are! I am not surprised to see how focused Tuomas and the rest of the band are - they were perfectionists then and wanted the music to sound great - and to sound!
And then you move us 20 years later and we hear a band richer in experience all these years. Could Floor copy Tarja? Of course, she could and probably would quite neatly do it for her, but she does not do it, because few artists want to copy someone else - she would only be a good craftsman. And someone like her creates her own version of the original and does it great! In the Buenos Aires version, the band has a great asset - Troy! I often say that Troy enriched this band a lot - you can hear it here. Emppu has a lot more freedom with the support of Troy's guitar, his flute is a real flute, so Tuomas has more freedom on the keyboards - the instrumental layer benefits from this.
If I would like to list these three versions, the studio version comes to me the most, then the live version with Tarja, because it's nice to return to the history of the band and Tarja's wonderful voice, and then the version from Buenos Aires, because I see an experienced band enriched with new vocal and instrumental elements.
What a great comment. You are pined up, all the way up, at the beginning of the comment section! Peace!
Tarja forever and always. Her majestique and elegance is outstanding
You came to know Nightwish in that era?
@@GuylainPrince I came to know Nightwish in Anette and more so Floor era! But as I listened more the moreno gravitated to Tarja and older Nightwish.
Hello Guylain. There are a lot of reactions to Nightwish on RUclips. But I noticed that young guys usually focus on picture, background and don't go into essence of song, poetry. And there are some channels where older guys (and you too) analyze all subtleties of song and you feel emotion and energy of song. Those kinds of reactions are most interesting to me as a viewer. Thank you! This Finnish band has been a favorite of mine for over 20 years.
Tuomas in 1999 performance is not just focused, he is almost in a semi-conscious state. As he said himself, he could barely contain himself from fainting from excitement and fear and from throwing up. It was their first appearance on television and immediately on main channel in Finland. Before that they had only one live show in their hometown of Kitee where they recorded official video for song "Sacrament of wilderness". During previous year Tuomas and Empu were doing their compulsory military service, and they had no opportunity to perform in public. Most comfortable in front of cameras is Tarja, who is used to public appearances as a student at Sibelius Academy.
Wow, this is the best channel, so many older Nightwish songs that not many do and miss out on. Thank you, always thumbs up.
You are welcome, Gaia! Thanks for the encouragement!
My favourite Nightwish song. Can't wait!
Well, you have a good one!
Both Floor and Tarja killed it in this song. That recording of Tarja's performance was so amazing, I can't believe I've never seen it before. Awesome.
Wasn't that a GREAT recording? Helsinki 1999. Other vids are available
Ellos eran tan jóvenes, recién empezaban. La voz poderosa de Tarja es perfecta para esta canción. Felicitaciones por la reacción!! Esperaré por más!
Estoy de acuerdo con usted. Qué hermosa grabación del joven NW. Sí, Tarja es única. Tiene una voz que me gusta mucho. Eres bienvenido en cualquier momento en mi canal YT.
Je suis d’accord avec toi. Quel bel enregistrement du jeune NW. Oui, Tarja est unique. Elle a une voix que j’aime beaucoup. Tu est la bienvenue en tout temps, sur ma chaîne YT.
I agree with you, Troy definitely gives another dimension to the old songs with his instruments. He was the missing piece of the band, he fits perfectly. Experience and maturity have given more credit to all the members. Emppu was an excellent musician, he's now even better. It's so great to be able to listen to the olds songs with Floor without cringing. But I'm hopeless, I'll always be nostalgic about Tarja. Hearing Tarja sing "without you the poetry within me is dead" gives me goosebumps, not with Floor and God knows how I love Floor and how wonderful she is.
You might have a clue in what you said : never forget that Tuomas wrote this with Tarja in mind. Exactly the way he wrote "Human. :||: Nature." with Floor in mind. I am not sure nobody will ever sing this album, but Floor. The song is built for Tarja, but Floor can defend the song very well. They are so great!
JEE JEE JEE!! Guylain you found that live-version where Nightwish is so young! It`s AMAZING
You are VERY welcome, dear friend. I am very systematic when it comes to find unique version. You will see!
Thank you very much for that! The video from 1999 was amazing, hadn't seen that one before, even though I was a fan of the band already at that time.
Excellent!
One of my favorities songs. Glad you reacted to the live version with Tarja. So cool to see Tuomas focused on not miss any notes.
Sure he was... very focused! It is a great song!
That was a tv program called Lista, the list, they did go through the songs on the top of the chart. There was an interview also with Tuomas and Tarja. Tuomas did write amazing song at such young age, not that he ever stopped writing amazing songs. We can only thank Nightwish for they Decades tour going back to these old song and being on stage overall, otherwise we would have seen them last on tour in 2015....hope they will he back next year. Thanks again for a nice reaction of a another great song. Merci beaucoup :)
You are very welcome! And thank you for the precious info!
You have got your hands full with this réaction Guylain! Triple time! To me this song is a staple in their catalog it was like the third song I listen to after She is My Sin and Stargazers. This is one of the songs that got me hooked on them! Great!
Merci! Bonne semaine!
Well, to react to 3 great versions in one short video, is that bad??? Great pleasure! Tellement agréables à faire, ces chroniques.
You walked my path, man. Or maybe, I walked yours. Didn't we meet somewhere there in the shadows? :) These same songs brought me into NIGHTWISH's realm.
Hope Brother Guylain listens to the other 2 named as well, for himself - great, energizing, rejuvenating songs! Darkness and light, comfort of the stars (the road that led to "Endlessness...") and the turmoil of earthly emotions - all delivered with signature NIGHTWISH flair. Have to go listen now, I talked myself into it. :)))
@@bigg2988 Perhaps we walked the Elvenpath! With trepidation we took the road less traveled by and it made a significant difference to far away strangers. These songs kicked the door open and forge the beginning trademark. Watching them in that video is to me like remembering the 2000 show in Montréal. Energy blazing! We have arrived in North America! Meanwhile in 2018(Montréal) with Floor is was also magical she put her spice and windmill!! Catching the train of thought and time! See you later!
Thanks Big G. Going to listen to the whol album (finished recording the reaction vids to Oceanborn selection). Very promising!
@@guimich2478 My friend click on the link i put on a few days ago, and the concert in Montreal will be a feast for you to relive
Belle reaction - Great that you found the live versions of the young and older NW. Both versions are great - Tarja and Floor both bring something beautiful to the table.
Totally agree!
I really appreciate the earlier NW pieces in that they adapt a lot of existing stories to music. A story of Gethsemane here or Tolkien, Eddings and others in Elvenpath; Story, Myth and Fantasy brought to life in music
Yes, it seems to be an interest of Tuomas.
@@GuylainPrince I have always thought that in earlier centuries Tuoas would have served the church with his music.
Hi Quylain, you know already that the Oceanborn is my favourite album and yes you are in it. Gesthimane is one of my favourite song of the album,i do i love all, but this song love more because they played the first years in lives and i always loved to seeing Tarja to singing better and better in time.
Of course i like Floor's version and i was happy to played live again for the new fans.
I like Tarja's version more because I used to hearing from Tarja for twenty years now and this can not change.
I like the studio version very much indeed, all the guys are perfect.
Tuomas, Emppu, Jukka and Sami are great for their age, very good musicians also, love this NW era sooooo much.
They played in small clubs in some European cities and in Finland.
Small audience but all enjoyed the music. I have a lot of videos from this era from the fans an
d i am exciting to know, how much great they are now.
We are still in the Oceanborn and in first complete album, yes all of the previous singers and musicians do great job,i don't want this thing new fans to forget never.
I was pretty sure that you like the instruments and vocals of Tarja, especially Emmpu's solo are so great, Jukka just perfect as always Tuomas was the master mind behind the scene a great composer and songwriter an amazing song of power symphonic metal.
Great reaction Quylain, happy face all the time, loving to seeing your smile.
The better will come next suterday with analysis video.
Till then,be safe and happy.
One correction : this week, it will be FRIDAY! Be safe and thanks for the encouragement!
@@GuylainPrince Very good indeed 👍,i see you sooner.
Yay! I have loved Nightwish for 20 or so years! Looking forward to this Guylain, staying up late for this, I work overnight,
Ha ha ha ! Where do you live, my friend? By the way : you will NOT be disappointed. This is probably one of my favourite reactions... ever!
@@GuylainPrince My friend, I am near Detroit. Disappointed? HA! Gethsemane has been a long time staple in my playlist, very happy you took it on! As stated before, I am loving your videos, especially your in depth breakdowns/insights. Even if we disagree on something! Keep up the great work. I appreciate your take on things!
Like I say : I don't want to be right. I want to understand the song. So, if you present me with another understanding that makes sense to me, I will adopt it immediately. Feel always free to disagree, here.
@@GuylainPrince The beauty of art, we can share freely... Your interpretation and mine only matter intrinsically to ourselves, but I do indulge in seeing others views to enlighten myself! You say say you don't want to be right, yet you are by your own view of beautiful art! Your "Understanding" is correct for you and I love it! Especially if I see differently, as it gives me reason to think more deeply! Much love Friend and keep 'em coming!
What a lovely reaction, and three versions! I love the live performance from -99, they are so young and so dedicated to the music. Thank you for this, looking forward to your analysis of the lyrics.
Yes, it was one these reactions that I love the most. Both recording and the final product. :-)
Never heard this song before and it's beautiful. Thanks.
You're welcome! This is what this series is all about : dialoguing around great songs!
That was fun - two great versions, its impressing that the original has survived the test of times, in my opinion.
totally agree with you on this one! It is as great as it was!
This was again wonderful. Nice to compare those three versions. Like said before, great to see the development of the band by seeing these different versions directly after oneother.
That is the point of the exercice! To see, feel the evolution... It will be a great journey. Already, I enjoy this so much!
I just found this performance form 1999. You are right, they look like such children back then. Tuomas looks like Thomas Anderson from 'The Matrix".
I'm so happy I've discovered your channel. Going on this musical journey with you makes me rediscover songs I've loved for more than 15 years and see them in another light. Thank you
To be quite frank, I can say that Nightwish has given me the most wonderful musical experience in years... I am a true fan, now, and I can honestly say : Thanks to the NW Army!
Nice that you did several versions of this. Actually I started to follow them since they did these songs at the first time in 1998. Note how young they are...and boys have short hair because just done military service.
Ha ha ha! Isn't that a funny sight?
Merci encore pour cette rétrospective avec des archives musicales. Votre prémisse est intéressante sur la compositions des chansons de Nightwish. Étant un pseudo vieux fan de leur musique, je me suis toujours demandé qu'en découvrant Nightwish qu'avec l'album Angel Fall First j'aurais poursuivi l'aventure. À cette époque, j'écoutais des chansons beaucoup plus pesantes constamment et mon oreille avait de la difficulté avec plusieurs chanson de AFF. Oceanborn fut mon entrée définitive, car j'y retrouvais les sonorités familières du style Power Metal de 1995-2000. Je suis d'accord que le groupe va au-delà d'un seul genre musical et je pense que Tuomas le voyait déjà à ce moment. La chanson Gethsemane et cet album son très important dans ma façon d'aborder la musique. Il restera dans mon coeur, mais cela n'empêche pas d'apprécier l'évolution de Nightwish vers des complexités et des explorations différentes qui font d'eux un groupe important dans la grande famille de la musique. Salutations! À partir d'ici le manège accélère et prend des courbes rapidement pour ensuite suivre d'autres rebondissements imprévisibles!
Ha ha ha ! Cher Vieux-jeune fan! Merci de me faire apprécier l'histoire et la richesse du répertoire, par vos propos. Toujours agréable de vous lire! Au plaisir!
The guys have short hair as they had just served in the Army (obligatory in Finland).
Yup! In the chat, this is what they told me!
Ah¡acá en Argentina 2018!🇦🇷😃
Please brother Guylain, keep going with Oceanborn songs. I'm glad you found that live performance, I hope more reactors take a look on that young Nightwish. Take care, au revoir
No problem. Two more songs from this album : The Devil and the Deep Dark Ocean, and Sunrise .... So, wto more week for you!
Je suis fan de nightwish, votre chaîne est juste une mine d'or à mes yeux, je crois que je vais passer les vacances à regarder les analyses de nightwish, votre voix est très immersive, bravo!
Oh merci beaucoup ! Très gentil de votre part!
@@GuylainPrince de rien c'est mérité :)
Thank you truly for bringing back memories. It is a wondrous song, with the Poet contemplating his cross (we will get to the one where he IS crucified... and beheaded). But the version from the vaults that you picked with the young band had my heart racing! To see Emppu in the period before he grew the long hair, that must be from another millennium! Oh wait, literally. :)))) The "resurrection" of the song for the "Decades" tour more than did it justice, and I am sure brought old fans into extasy. (I have seen videos of guys in the crowd chanting the opening riff, can you believe it.) And the new lovers of music - they deserved to know this one, absolutely.
To make an additional note - you really accentuated well the main strengths and virtues of both star vocalists: the practically inimitable, classical, haunting delivery of Tarja, and the great "singing actress" style of Floor, which basically encompasses any variety of styles a song needs to really capture us. That is why Floor often makes people emotional when they do not even expect that, and that is why many say she makes songs her own. Except for those classics where we are so used to Tarja's voice, that it seemingly cannot be torn and separated from the fabric of the song. Btw, Floor consciously chose to work out her own interpretations of the old hits, stepping away from classical delivery, in order not to compete with Tarja. Thus we have not one singer mimicking the other and trying to "recreate" the past, but get 2 full-blooded versions of the same song... like two world-class conductors directing Beethoven's 9th each in their own reading. I'd say we are blessed.
On this, I TO-TA-LY agree! From Beste Zangers, we know now that Floor can do anything (if singing for NW was not enough), and recreates a song. This is what she did here, and what she will do for Sleeping Sun (I already recorded the reaction vid, for this one). She is a GREAT singer. Tarja has the priviledge to be the groundbreaking diva. They cannot be replaced; they are the first. They have a unique place in the historiy of RnR !
@@GuylainPrince Pioneers showing the way and following trail blazers taking the torch with respect.
Oui, monsieur!
Thank you so much Guylain! I enjyed every second of your reaction! This was so big thing for me, I left early from work to see this premiere...
It will be there, Friday!
This was fun! My only 2nd time to be live on youtube and interact! Much love Guylain, Keep these good things coming sir!
Well, like I say : It is like being in my linving room. We listen together, and share ideas and reactions. This is great! I love it!
That was glorious I haven’t heard the original before. Thank you 😊👏🏻
Isn't that a GREAT song? Two more, from this album, to hear in the next two weeks. Peace!
@@GuylainPrince it’s amazing, thank you again.👏🏻
Amazing Job *Guylain* !! I really love this format!!! I've never saw the live version with Tarja, and i was very surprise, gave me chills!! I only discover this song with Floor in the Decades DVD and i was sold immediately, i prefer the Nightwish 2019 with Floor but it's really special to listen the song's roots! And i really wish you continue in this path, it makes even more enjoyable see the evolution through singers, musicans and time! Who knows if you will be doing a song and react to the live versions of Tarja, Anette and Floor! That would pretty dope! And don't care about longer videos ahah at least for me, i was enjoying so much your reaction and we all love Nightwish, so more time, the better!! Cheers *Guylain*, be safe, be healthy and can't wait for the lyric breakdown!
I will do two live versions for shorter songs... probably one for longer songs! We will see in due time.
@@GuylainPrince - That's good!!!
Another great reaction, thank you Brother. I think you are right in that the song is about someone using the Agony in The Garden as a framing device for their own suffering.
I personally like Tara's interpretation more, though they are both exallent.
As a band, the 2019, is a better one, and it is normal. Floor chose to make it differently, something I respect. Completely. As you will see, she will make the same decision with "Sleeping Sun". We are up to a great ride!
They were so young! And so serious! Concentrating so hard. How sweet that live video is!
And Emppu has his guitar solo face on already 😊
Ha ha ha ! Agreed! They are very "focused" !
Oh, that old live version is a real gem! Thanks for digging it up for all of us to enjoy. And a great reaction as always! 🙂 Looking forward to your analysis!
Yup! It was a fun video to make! Lived the experience! To be repeated, for sure!
This verses is the alpha and omega of the song for me . I can't wait till tomorrow Quylain!!!!
Well, I think you will love my reaction to this one!
@@GuylainPrince I believe I do.
:-)
The way you smile when Floor sings 💕
She is unbelievable...
Je suis entièrement d'accord avec vous, il est évident que Nightwish a une solide base de musique classique. Il y a le metal et il y a Nightwish groupe qui est unique
La voix de Tarja est bien plus adaptée à cette chanson que celle de Floor et puis elle vit la chanson.
Comme ils sont jeunes, ou là là en 1999 . Je suis comme vous les instruments de Troy sont vraiment supers., quant à Empuu quel guitariste !!!
Empu est sous-estimé. Beaucoup. Il fait ce qu'il soit faire, son travail. Quand ce doit être complexe, il le fait. Quand c'est purement mélodique, mais tout simple, il le fait, sans chercher à en imposer. Je le trouve vraiment solide et doté d'un goût sûr!
Thank you again for a trip on memory lane 😁🤘
Most welcome!
Fave song pake banget 💕
It is a great song!
Reading subtitles gives me a headache but Toumas holopainen is a poet, a poet that should be respected. I love that you also love this. I just know you do. Thoumos is our time, Mozart, I’m so glad to be able to listen to his genius 😊😊😊
I do love your reaction. I just only learning Cebuano now so French is a little confusing 😂 , you’re welcome to the Philippines though 👍
Thank you so much! Very appreciated!
Hi Guylain, I'm not that keen on the early Nightwish, but it's good to see you back and in fine form. I was delighted to catch you say "on y va", which was the name of the French textbook I had at school. I'm afraid I've lost most of the French I had, but I do recognise the occasional phrase. Take care of yourself and stay safe. Santé!
Well, a good way could be to put on the French subtitles. In this video, in particular, I spoke heavily in my mother tongue. I think it would be difficult, event for French from France, to understand. Not an "international French" at all!
Live version, my ears say yes yes but my eyes say no no. Thats was a lot of fun. Tuomas (is it really Tuomas ? :-)) look so concentrated with every touch on the keys.
Ha ha ha ! Isn't it? It was a great recording!
And here i was panicking thinking i missed it because i was late today, but no, Guylain predicted this and chose to premiere tomorrow ;) Much appreciated!
well, since the beginning of this series, it is on Wednesdays! Autom trimester at the university. Not available on Tuesday! :-) Lucky for you!
Wellwell, Guylain, a threesome. As i and you said before, Nightwish is not a metal band, than something greater beyond. You are absolutely right about the live performances. The1999 show is a remarkable good take by the young shorthaired band. Tarja had dark and majestic vocals there. The 2018 performance is a take from a seasoned professional musicians. Floor is the best allround singer in the world, but she's not at her best with the dark operatic tones. Although she did them very well. Thank you and see you soon!
I agree with everything you wrote. Tarja has a little edge in that kind of song. Both are exceptional.
Belle réaction :) Si tu veux des bons videos live d'Oceanborn ne passe pas à coté de Stargazers !!!! Une de mes préférée est The Pharaoh Sails to Orion mais je ne pense pas que Floor l'est déjà chanté et Sacremernt of wilderness est aussi excellente et chanté par les deux chanteuses. Très bon video Guylain, il est vrai que les racines de Nightwish sont très présentes, le côté Épique et symphonique mais les premiers albums ont une influence plus Power Métal que les derniers.
Oui. en effet. Quatre guitares, dans les oreilles... Merci pour les suggestions. J'ai fini d'enregistrer mes réactions. Donc, il ne me reste qu'à profiter de l'album à plein. Je m'en occupe!
I grew up with Tarja's interpretation and it will always have a important place in the memories of my youth. But 20 years later, the band with Floor revitalized the song. It is current and metal and everything this song should be 20 years into it's journey. Maybe they would have gone there with Tarja but we will never know and I really think they would have not. So the 1st version was perfect back then, the 2nd version is an even better fit for now, in my humble opinion. PS Yes I also think that all Floor's versions are more natural.
Well the question of being "natural" is always asked to "opera" and lyric singers. There are "maniérisme" habits that I don't like at all; sometimes it feels "artificial" or non natural. Tarja does not suffer from that. In show, I have seen her being very natural as well!
Grandissimo Guylain. Dopo il primo video live ho guardato la barra in basso e mi sono accorto che eravamo circa a metà video e mi sono detto "Ecco, il frate non ha resistito a Floor" :) :) :) . Comunque bellissimo vedere come sono cresciuti i nostri ragazzi... ed è davvero incredibile rendersi conto che già agli inizi i Nightwish sapevano produrre pezzi di un calibro che la maggior parte delle altre band non raggiungono nemmeno a fine carriera. Eccezionali. Parlando del contenuto: sono abbastanza sorpreso di vedere come agli inizi della loro storia, molti pezzi fossero a sfondo religioso mentre ai giorni nostri, la band è diventata essenzialmente atea... (gli ultimi due album, in particolare, son un manifesto anti-religioso). Cosa ne pensi Guylain? Grazie mille per la tua reazione, come sempre è una gioia vederti ascoltare e godere questa fantastica musica. Saluti dalla Svizzera :)
Oh! Una persona che parla italiano dalla Svizzera! Sei una specie rara! :-) Grazie per le gentili parole. Per quanto riguarda il lato antireligioso del Nightwish, sono convinto che ci sia, in effetti, un membro antireligioso. Non credo che sia il caso di Tuomas. Sento davvero che ha un'anima contemplativa, unita a una franca delusione per le religioni organizzate. Soprattutto quando sono divisi e di vedute ristrette. Continuiamo il nostro viaggio attraverso il loro repertorio. Vedremo. Per quanto mi riguarda, mi piace molto. Come ho detto alla fine di Human: Nature. "Se mi piace il 98,5% delle loro canzoni, allora sono felice. Sono in grado di superare, le canzoni che mi piacciono di meno.
Oh! Un italianophone de la suisse! Tu es une espèce rare! :-) MErci pour les bons mots. À propos du côté anti-religion de Nightwish, je suis convaincu qu’il y a, en effet, un deux membres anti-religieux. Je ne crois pas que ce sois le cas de Tuomas. J’ai vraiment l’impression qu’il a une âme contemplative, couplée avec une franche déception pour les religions organisées. Surtout lorsqu’eles sont sources de division et d’étroitesse d’esprit. Continuons notre parcours à travers leur répertoire. Nous verrons bien. Quant à moi, j’aime vraiment beaucoup. Comme j’ai dit à la fin de « Human.:||: Nature. », si j’aime 98,5% de leur chansons, alors je suis heureux. Je suis capable de passer « par-dessus », les chansons que j’aime moins.
@@GuylainPrince Eh si amico mio, siamo una specie rara (circa 350'000 persone che vivono nel sud del paese) ma ci siamo, un po' come voi francofoni del Québec! Sull'aspetto religioso, Tuomas si è recentemente schierato apertamente insieme a Troy, dichiarandosi "Openly secular" (detto altrimenti: ateo). ruclips.net/video/ZJuWLkTwtFs/видео.html Io sono sempre rimasto sorpreso di questa "involuzione" (all'inizio della sua carriera era cristiano) perché si capisce che Tuomas è una persona che sa vedere più in là del suo naso. Può essere che le religioni organizzate lo abbiano deluso (in effetti succede anche a me che sono cristiano e cattolico di essere deluso talvolta dalle istituzioni ecclestiastiche... ma non butto via tutto perché non sono d'accordo o deluso del comportamento di qualche persona ieri o oggi). Non capisco come una persona così profonda (contemplativa, come dici tu), capace di commuoversi per la bellezza del creato (aspetta di vedere The Greatest Show on Earth, l'anno prossimo!) possa credere che sia davvero nato tutto per caso. Boh, non lo so. Comunque adoro i nightwish e spero in cuore mio che rimangano fedeli al loro animo. Non si sa mai che cambi di nuovo idea. Intanto grazie mille per la risposta (e complimenti per l'italiano!). Potrei scriverti anche in francese o inglese, ma a volte mi è difficile esprimere certi concetti in lingue che non sono la mia lingua madre. Sono contento di poter scrivere in italiano e che capisca lo stesso! Se preferisci rispondermi in francese non ti preoccupare, lo capisco molto bene, come anche l'inglese. Non è necessario che tu perda troppo tempo per rispondere in due lingue :).
La presenza del francese nel messaggio è molto semplice. L'ho già spiegato nei miei video sull'album "Human. :||: Nature. ». Scrivo la mia risposta in francese e una piccola applicazione traduce il mio testo in italiano. Dato che parlo italiano, mi assicuro che sia tutto a posto, ma è tutto fatto in modo semplice e veloce. Gli artisti del Québec dovevano prendere le distanze dalla Chiesa cattolica, che qui era molto potente. Dopo 20 o 30 anni, questi stessi artisti sono andati nella direzione opposta. Sì, si sono resi conto che potevamo essere in disaccordo senza gettare tutto in mare. Una posizione che è cristiana, forse anche cattolica, e critica (della Chiesa e della società) rimane per me preferibile a qualsiasi altra cosa. Ecco dove mi trovo!
La présence de français dans le message est très simple. Je me suis déjà expliqué sur ça dans mes vidéos sur l’album « Human. :||: Nature. ». J’écris ma réponse en français et une petite application traduit mon texte en italien. Comme je parle italien, je m’assure que tout est OK, mais tout cela est fait simplement et rapidement. Les artistes du Québec ont eu le besoin de se distancier de l’église catholique qui était très puissante, ici. Après 20 ou 30, ces mêmes artistes ont vécu le chemin inverse. Oui, ils ont réalisé qu’on pouvait être en désaccord sans tout balancer par dessus bord. Une pesture qui est chrétienne, peut-être même catholique, et critique (de l’église et de la société) demeure pour moi préférable à toute autre chose. C’est là que je me situe!
Mr Guylain if you like Nightwish, do check out Therion.I think you will like their music.
Here's the link to a live show of theirs with an actual live orchestra and choir (which I think is a good entry point).
Part 1, Metal covers of classical compositions: ruclips.net/video/y_Hwb26adXw/видео.html
Part 2, their own songs with the live orchestra: ruclips.net/video/AS9r-SPVGQQ/видео.html
They both have timestamps to each track, so happy listening! Really hoping you'll do an analysis on one of their songs!
Greetings from Greece
Bonjour et merci pour cet enthousiasme contagieux !
J'imagine que "Beauty of the beast" a déjà été recommandée lors de vos vidéos sur "beauty and the beast" , mais je me permets de vous la re-conseiller, vous qui aimez le prog : c'est très certainement leur chanson qui est le plus "prog", justement . Et les paroles sont tellement fortes !
Oui, allez voir dans les dernières chroniques, vous la trouverez. Je l'ai faite il y a 3 semaines.
Vraiment ? J'ai trouvé "beauty and the beast" mais pas "beauty Of the beast".
Mais de toute façon "beauty of the beast" ne respecte pas l'ordre chronologique des albums, donc je vais patienter !
Oh, désolé! Mon erreur. Non, ce chant s'en vient, par contre. Ne vous inquiétez pas. Il était dans les 5 étoiles!
Hi my friend. Excellent and beautiful song, one of my favorites.
Please, dont forget listen Haggard and Therion, Eppur si Mouve and Blood of Kingu, in its order
HEAR HEAR HEAR. Hopefully, during the "intermission" between the 2 parts of NIGHWISH journey?
Ha ha ha ! :-) Maybe I will!
@@GuylainPrince You will, my friend, you will, ´cause i know that every body will search for more. Hi, from Colombia
Pourrais tu faire nemo? Elle a été joué par tarja dans once, anette puis floor
J'ai été très supris de ne pas voir NEMO choisie parmi le top 25 de NW. Donc, elle ne fait pas des chansons que je ferai à l'automne. Seulement de l'époque de Annette et Floor. L'époque de Tarja est complétée! Désolé!
@@GuylainPrince pas de souci, c'est étonnant, surtout quand on sait que nemo est une musique emblématique du groupe, tout comme ghost love score, même si ce n'est pas le même niveau ^^
Ambas cantan precioso pero seamos honestos yo a Nightwish conocí en 1999 y de ahí me sigue gustando. La versión con Tarja será mejor. Yo los ví en vivo en 2018 y se me hacía que estaba Tarja pero de verdad estuvo genial no me olvido más del concierto acá en Buenos Aires.
I really think you would enjoy The Greatest Show on Earth (Tampere) and The Poet and the Pendulum (Wembley)
Yes, probably!
@@GuylainPrince Also, I´m an Agnostic but I really enjoy your more theological videos. I really admire your work.
Have u heard Angra?
No! Why should I? For what reasons? Tell me more!
@@GuylainPrince well if you like Nightwish you'd probably like Angra
A slight tangent, but one that may fit the crisis theme of Gethsemane; if you get a chance examine the episode of the TV show Babylon 5 titled "Passing Through Gethsemane"
Hahaha ! And I LOVE sci-fi!!!
This is real Nightwish for me. Instrumental side were great in older songs. Now there is too much... hmm musical showing off. You know - there is a lot of art for art. This is for me H:N album. Too much singing acrobatics and weirdness and too few good music. Off course there are good parts but no single song of H:N is perfect to me - some parts I would skip. "Oceanborn", "Wishamaster" and "Once" are perfect. And I also prefer Tarja over Floor in the older songs. Buenos isn`t my fav show. Love Wacken, Wembley and Tampere but when I listen to Buenos`s "Slaying.." or "Dead Boy`s..." my teeth hurts. These song need strong voice of Tarja. Maybe I am old and there is huge sentiment to old times.
The artists, the one who broke into new grounds, are unique. The NW of 1998-1999, they did that. Nobody else made their history. Groundbreaking artists are irreplaceable. As you know, we are bound to disagree on H:||:N., because, to my taste, it ranks in the Top-5 of my life, with the greatest albums of the prog Golden Era (Yes and Genesis). When complexity is needed, let it be! Complexity with a purpose (and not for itself) is masterpiece. This being said, we cannot say that Gethsemane is not complex. It is. But, let's keep our common love for the NW of these years. There, we completely, and wholeheartedly agree.
I may agree but.. I hate NW fans common opinion that NW is messiah of music. Listening to H:N I think that the band heard that opnion and believed. To much for me. Music is music and should be enjoyable at first. Of course everyone has other taste but I see in this album some strong pressure to be unique. Unigue and greastest above all. Only "Heart" is written... hmm in relaxed way.
And the last but most important. NW started from playing opera power metal. Now they are created as the greatst symphonic metal band of all times. That`s untrue. There were greater sm bands when NW started. Even now after those passed years. Yes NW were unique and still is but the same was Therion, 2000`s Within Temptation. THESE bands broke into new grounds. Tuomas is great composer, same as Christofer Johnsson - his "Theli" and "Vovin" made genre when NW started to understand the futher way.
Ok. I love Tarja and Floor. But I prefere old music of NW and old music of Floor (AF). Sometimes 2x2 isn`t 4. H:N is awsome but as some manifest. Technical great job but there is a lot of albums that give me more joy and more reflection.
Yes. I love NW but I am not unctritical.
Perfect thread. Let's express disagreement in a positive way : by bringing food for thought. I understand and agree with most of what you say @Draagnipur. One point I disagree with you : the fact that you feel concerned or prefer old NW might be caused by many things : the topics of the songs, the artistic direction of the album, etc. Personally, I resonate 100% with the topics and the music of Human.:||: Nature. Content and style. For me, and for many others, some of the songs are among the very best of their lives (Shoemaker, Endlessness, Procession, etc.). While we can recognize that I am more "touched by one album than another one", even of the same artist, it can be because of very personal reasons. Objectively, in term of musical and poetic mastery, the NW of 2020 is far better that the one of 1999; that does not mean that the songs connect with their fans and/or with the general public. From where I stand, in Canada, I think that HN is an album that could have open the doors to America, but with the COVID.... I am not sure anymore. In a period of crisis, people tend to go back to the "good oldies".
How beautiful to be different, isn`t it? There are a lot of bands you should know. Waiting Therion. But there are more. In my life I used to listen different music: from old rock like Led Zeppelin, Floyd, Guns to even 90`s pop and disco. Then something was happend and came: "Aegis", "Enter", "Vovin", "Wishmaster", "Beyond the Veil", "Decipher" and "Lake of Sorrow". These albums turn me into metal - my beloved ones. Everyone of them is very unique.
@@draagnipur8767 Always interesting to find out about the background of listeners. When nostalgia kicks in! Us old fans we all love our Tarja! Nightwish are very interesting! People like me that were not familiar with that type of music were plunged in a new world. The only similar bands I knew at that present time were Therion and Rhapsody. Therion brought me in but they are not part of my daily playlist. I still occasionally listen to Theli and Vovin. Coming from the side of metal with more aggressive tendencies I was not too much into the Gothic Metal scene. Some people close to me had other classifications for that style but I will not talked about it... Seeing Nightwish them live in Montreal was perhaps my peak moment for that genre. I know Nightwish are not Gothic Metal.
As for the old versus the new I am torned and in way I do not have the sentiment for uniqueness and perfection. I have preferences that resonate in oneself but I also am critical to both the nostalgia and being in the present. Oceanborn is perhaps my favorite but it changes.To me getting older printed in me a sense of eclectism. To me there is no such thing as perfection we are flawed individuals and Oceanborn is part of that story.
The old and not so old fans of Nightwish can choose the Era they want the old bombastic epicness or the later periods that incorporate more gymnastics and complexity but I still need two more solos!!!!Hihihi!! Complexity and awkwardness are no problems in my agenda because I to listen to prog but my tide goes to bands like Dream Theater, Opeth and Persefone. They have the wankery, the too much feeling, impossible time signatures but like I said no one is perfect.
Everybody has favorites! That what makes this band special so special then and now. I took a distance over time and nostalgia. That's just me. I love both Floor and Tarja. Tuomas Holopainen is not the new Mozart or the Kwisatz Haderach. He is just a shy guy with talent and hardwork who showed is music to the world just like all is predecessors. He is for me a craftsman.
Goodnight! Rock On!!
Even though I know this song was written to feature Tarja, I think Floor could have done a better job by interpreting it. I cannot feel any true emotion sent by Floor in her performance. The lyrics is perfectly aligned, written to last longer over decades, but it's emotional and Floor does not seem to openly express such emotional charge. I think this song is a good example of how outrageous is trying to make Floor replace Tarja in fans' imaginarium. Floor is really amazing in her vocal and stage performance, but making her cover Tarja feels like reopening older wounds.
But this is true of every new singer, trying to sing someone else's repertoire. Respectful and yet, putting her own twist on the song. Tarja is unique. And for those who knew her in the first place, irreplaceable !
@@GuylainPrince that's exactly what I meant: Tarja is unreplaceable!
Surtout pas ! La poesie te rend eternel !!
Surtout pas.... quoi? Quelque chose que j'ai dite dans la vidéo?
C est la mort de la poesie qui m effraie..
Well, il semble en effet que la perte de la muse peut être fatale à certain. Ce ne fut pas le cas, oh que non!, for Tuomas! Il a dû recoller les morceaux, ceci dit. Et c'est normal.
The thing is that tarja maybe the best of us humans....but Floor is from another planet...tarja is good but one dimensional..Floor can sing anything she wants!
Every singer has a specialty, to find the right spot where there is excellence. In that kind of song, for me, Tarja is on another planet. Floor, excels as the front woman of a symphonic metal band. She is not the best in every "genre" she sings in, but she is among the best. I would say that she is the best female singer of rock, as we speak. To my taste, anyway!
Hi Guylain. Pleasure to see you being you.
I wonder what you make of this song called "Grace". ruclips.net/video/E1Gwtep2oXw/видео.html
It features the lovely Anneke van Giersbergen, the Dutch singer that inspired Floor Jansen.
No, I haven't. It will be in my "To Watch List" for tonight!
I'm sorry, but the emotion of Tarja singing these old songs, is not felt with Floor. My opinion.
Greetings from Spain.
I agree for some parts, and not for others. It is not clear cut for me.
💯 agree and I say this as someone who only discovered Nightwish in the Floor era.
Young Tarja: Sings lyrically because it's what she's best at and most comfortable with.
Mature Floor: Sings whatever she feels the song needs.
Both excellent (though Floor is my choice).
Like I said : some parts, I prefer Tarja, and others, Floor!
Well I think Floor killed Gethsemane...for me it´s a matter of pronunciation ..and where to put in the power of the voice...Floor has a better feeling for the music in my own honest opinion..!!
Well, for the pronunciation, I agree that it is better.
All you do is nightwish😑 come on prince we want some songs from epica or with temptation
BTW great video as usual
That's his concept of going through a band's discography from the early days to trace their development - musical and spiritual. You most probably know Guylain did the same treatment of EPICA? Of course 24 weeks of one band would be too much even for the hardcore fans, but that is understood, and a break is coming before Christmas.
Surely there are scores of wonderful bands out there to delve into, like WITHIN TEMPTATION, XANDRIA, EX LIBRIS (with some luck going to become the best of them all, with their Prog structures topped by voice of a Diva)... AMBERIAN DAWN, EDENBRIDGE, LEAVES' EYES, VISIONS OF ATLANTIS... and we are not even leaving the female-fronted Symphonic land yet. If we ventured to Symphonic, Symphonic Power, or Symphonic Extreme directions, the life just expands and becomes more beautiful. :) Here's hope Guylain is here for the long ride, as he likes to assure us. :))
Well, I have been a RnR fan for... more than 40 years, by now. I love doing that. I have eternity in front of me. Why stop when we have so much fun? I know I do! Patience is the virtue, here!
@@GuylainPrince sure
What is this complaint about "more Epica songs"? Friar Guylain did the same journey with Epica that he's doing now with Nightwish. He's made 12 videos of reaction + 12 videos of analysis of Epica songs. Haven't you seen them? Go now and check his video list ! ;)
Tarja was beautiful. But for me the version with Floor was the best :) Also because the band is so much better now. Sorry.
She was. And a great artist!
Wow, they are all with short hair. The pronunciation of Tarja is... is not very good. My opinion guys.
Love Floor of course, she I understand what she is singing.
I wrote something similar and didn't post as I feared a backlash. I can't understand what Tarja sings.
You are a bit harsh. The lyrical singers, by trade, pronounce English (and any other language) in a different way to keep the larynx open. Only Italian and Latin can be sung naturally with the throat and the mouth fully open. Coupled with the Finnish accent (some vowels are pronounced in an unexpected way), it is understandable. To me, there is nothing that surprising.
@@GuylainPrince fair enough, friar, but it shows that her English pronunciation in other songs is below par. Sometimes you can't understand what she is singing. Peace out
I agree with you. Sometimes, it is difficult to understand, but since I can't understand almost all the words from opera singers... there is no issue for me. But I agree, some of the vowels are sung in a very unexpected way. BTW, I noticed that it was true of EPICA as well at the beginning of their career. Now, it is not the case (with NW either).