Please watch the video completely, nobody is denying purchasing of More Rafale or MMRCA aircraft, but we must make sure, we have the flexibility of putting our system, weapons onboard and we get support of OEM in upgrading them in future with what we want in future.
Good Suggestion Which will help in future Warfare but What is the best & Effective solution to Current Scenario (Airforce Requitments to Counter China/Pak)
But if we go by this, our three services will keep on changing goal post, as you say that technology changes fast every six months or so, and then there will be lot of delay in developing or purchasing any new technology.
India needs minimum 70 to 90 or better to say 100 fighter jets from international market. Our all the indigenous program are going to yeild after 2027 or 2030 and beyond. China is a big threat and yes, they dont have any jet to counter Rafael, but they can definitely counter each Rafael by using three Su 35 copies and other Mig 21 copies. Secondly, firing missiles are considered to be igniting full scale war. If anything happens at LAC, India will not be able to retaliate with missiles. For keeping the response balanced yet effective, they will have to use Aurforce. Mig 29s are excellent dog fighter and can operate with ease within the Mountainous terrain, but then they have serious availability issue and number is also, quite low. Also, Su 30 MKI and Mig 29 electronic counter measures or jaming pods cannot be relied up on. Russia has been intentionally or unintentionally losing the trade kraft to Chinese. Also, Chinese have using similar systems in thier indigenous jets. Another issue is that Navy has been extremely disappointed with Mig 29s. Every now and then they are losing their pilots. Bother reliability and serviceability are big time issue. They have been praising Mig 29s and claming that with the help of manufacturer the serviceability has been increased to 70 percent, but the fact is that it is more a misinformation for our enemies and also, limited numbers of jets have their frame in excellent condition. Navy wanted to retire them by 2030s, but they have serious financial issues and thus they are going slow. They are more focused on acquiring Subs and at least 1 more aircraft carrier. Airforce wanted to retire Mig 21 Bison batchwise from 2020 or 2021. Unfortunately they failed to do that because Tejas has been delayed. The power of Mig 29 is low and thus it cannot be upgraded with new electronics and radars. And they have been proving the adjective given "Flying Coffins". Su 30 MKI: We wanted to get them upgraded for aometime now. I think we all have heard about the super Sukhoi program. Unfortunately, that too can be done to Jets manufactured in last 10 years. Jets older than 10 years, have frame issues. ie frame shelf life will be harmed significantly. Jaguars, Mig 21s and Mirajs: They have already reached their retirement age. The way of fighting war has entiry shifted and our more than 70 percent of fleets lags behind or not built as per modern need. Apart from all these existing issues, I have one very important logic: No country will give their top of the line technology to anyone. If we start experimenting indigenously, then also we would require certain references of 4.5 or 5th generation jets, currenrly operational. For getting cutting age Technologies, either India needs big pack of super IIT proffesionals or like every one else, we will have to steal it. For Airforce: Best jet woyld be Rafael, because we already have spent enough money in creating supy chain, maintenance and other rafael centric requirements. Also, France will feel rewarded for standing with us. Thirdly, French technologies are not talked about much, but at or beyond par US amd Russian technologies. Worlds best nuclear submarines are manufactured by France. Saffron will be forced to help us or become our partners for developing jet engines. For Navy: Our Navy has been liking super hornets and recently they successfully performed ski jump take-off. So our P8 planes (anti sub) are manufactured by Boeing, basically we will be able to use same weapons in both planes. Our main sea warfare helicopters ie Romeo are also US made. Also, now Indian Navy need to keep operate with other Quad countries. All the quad nations are mainly using US equipments. Syncing, communication in short Super Hornet will make us the part of Nato ecosyatems. Basically, it would be extremely hazardous for India, if we fail to select and order 100 more jets by 2021. Let me know if anyone feels otherwise or if I have made any mistake.
@@ramprakashbhatt6672 India needs minimum 70 to 90 or better to say 100 fighter jets from international market. Our all the indigenous program are going to yeild after 2027 or 2030 and beyond. China is a big threat and yes, they dont have any jet to counter Rafael, but they can definitely counter each Rafael by using three Su 35 copies and other Mig 21 copies. Secondly, firing missiles are considered to be igniting full scale war. If anything happens at LAC, India will not be able to retaliate with missiles. For keeping the response balanced yet effective, they will have to use Aurforce. Mig 29s are excellent dog fighter and can operate with ease within the Mountainous terrain, but then they have serious availability issue and number is also, quite low. Also, Su 30 MKI and Mig 29 electronic counter measures or jaming pods cannot be relied up on. Russia has been intentionally or unintentionally losing the trade kraft to Chinese. Also, Chinese have using similar systems in thier indigenous jets. Another issue is that Navy has been extremely disappointed with Mig 29s. Every now and then they are losing their pilots. Bother reliability and serviceability are big time issue. They have been praising Mig 29s and claming that with the help of manufacturer the serviceability has been increased to 70 percent, but the fact is that it is more a misinformation for our enemies and also, limited numbers of jets have their frame in excellent condition. Navy wanted to retire them by 2030s, but they have serious financial issues and thus they are going slow. They are more focused on acquiring Subs and at least 1 more aircraft carrier. Airforce wanted to retire Mig 21 Bison batchwise from 2020 or 2021. Unfortunately they failed to do that because Tejas has been delayed. The power of Mig 29 is low and thus it cannot be upgraded with new electronics and radars. And they have been proving the adjective given "Flying Coffins". Su 30 MKI: We wanted to get them upgraded for aometime now. I think we all have heard about the super Sukhoi program. Unfortunately, that too can be done to Jets manufactured in last 10 years. Jets older than 10 years, have frame issues. ie frame shelf life will be harmed significantly. Jaguars, Mig 21s and Mirajs: They have already reached their retirement age. The way of fighting war has entiry shifted and our more than 70 percent of fleets lags behind or not built as per modern need. Apart from all these existing issues, I have one very important logic: No country will give their top of the line technology to anyone. If we start experimenting indigenously, then also we would require certain references of 4.5 or 5th generation jets, currenrly operational. For getting cutting age Technologies, either India needs big pack of super IIT proffesionals or like every one else, we will have to steal it. For Airforce: Best jet woyld be Rafael, because we already have spent enough money in creating supy chain, maintenance and other rafael centric requirements. Also, France will feel rewarded for standing with us. Thirdly, French technologies are not talked about much, but at or beyond par US amd Russian technologies. Worlds best nuclear submarines are manufactured by France. Saffron will be forced to help us or become our partners for developing jet engines. For Navy: Our Navy has been liking super hornets and recently they successfully performed ski jump take-off. So our P8 planes (anti sub) are manufactured by Boeing, basically we will be able to use same weapons in both planes. Our main sea warfare helicopters ie Romeo are also US made. Also, now Indian Navy need to keep operate with other Quad countries. All the quad nations are mainly using US equipments. Syncing, communication in short Super Hornet will make us the part of Nato ecosyatems. Basically, it would be extremely hazardous for India, if we fail to select and order 100 more jets by 2021. Let me know if anyone feels otherwise or if I have made any mistake.
Still believe that India should go in for 36 more Rafale as it will be a good deterrence against China and Pakistan.....Also Rafales can go for midlife upgrades somewhere around 2035 which can keep them going on till 2045-2050
India needs minimum 70 to 90 or better to say 100 fighter jets from international market. Our all the indigenous program are going to yeild after 2027 or 2030 and beyond. China is a big threat and yes, they dont have any jet to counter Rafael, but they can definitely counter each Rafael by using three Su 35 copies and other Mig 21 copies. Secondly, firing missiles are considered to be igniting full scale war. If anything happens at LAC, India will not be able to retaliate with missiles. For keeping the response balanced yet effective, they will have to use Aurforce. Mig 29s are excellent dog fighter and can operate with ease within the Mountainous terrain, but then they have serious availability issue and number is also, quite low. Also, Su 30 MKI and Mig 29 electronic counter measures or jaming pods cannot be relied up on. Russia has been intentionally or unintentionally losing the trade kraft to Chinese. Also, Chinese have using similar systems in thier indigenous jets. Another issue is that Navy has been extremely disappointed with Mig 29s. Every now and then they are losing their pilots. Bother reliability and serviceability are big time issue. They have been praising Mig 29s and claming that with the help of manufacturer the serviceability has been increased to 70 percent, but the fact is that it is more a misinformation for our enemies and also, limited numbers of jets have their frame in excellent condition. Navy wanted to retire them by 2030s, but they have serious financial issues and thus they are going slow. They are more focused on acquiring Subs and at least 1 more aircraft carrier. Airforce wanted to retire Mig 21 Bison batchwise from 2020 or 2021. Unfortunately they failed to do that because Tejas has been delayed. The power of Mig 29 is low and thus it cannot be upgraded with new electronics and radars. And they have been proving the adjective given "Flying Coffins". Su 30 MKI: We wanted to get them upgraded for aometime now. I think we all have heard about the super Sukhoi program. Unfortunately, that too can be done to Jets manufactured in last 10 years. Jets older than 10 years, have frame issues. ie frame shelf life will be harmed significantly. Jaguars, Mig 21s and Mirajs: They have already reached their retirement age. The way of fighting war has entiry shifted and our more than 70 percent of fleets lags behind or not built as per modern need. Apart from all these existing issues, I have one very important logic: No country will give their top of the line technology to anyone. If we start experimenting indigenously, then also we would require certain references of 4.5 or 5th generation jets, currenrly operational. For getting cutting age Technologies, either India needs big pack of super IIT proffesionals or like every one else, we will have to steal it. For Airforce: Best jet woyld be Rafael, because we already have spent enough money in creating supy chain, maintenance and other rafael centric requirements. Also, France will feel rewarded for standing with us. Thirdly, French technologies are not talked about much, but at or beyond par US amd Russian technologies. Worlds best nuclear submarines are manufactured by France. Saffron will be forced to help us or become our partners for developing jet engines. For Navy: Our Navy has been liking super hornets and recently they successfully performed ski jump take-off. So our P8 planes (anti sub) are manufactured by Boeing, basically we will be able to use same weapons in both planes. Our main sea warfare helicopters ie Romeo are also US made. Also, now Indian Navy need to keep operate with other Quad countries. All the quad nations are mainly using US equipments. Syncing, communication in short Super Hornet will make us the part of Nato ecosyatems. Basically, it would be extremely hazardous for India, if we fail to select and order 100 more jets by 2021. Let me know if anyone feels otherwise or if I have made any mistake.
@@jai9983 Sorry to say but China does nt 1) Have 10 15 aircraft carrier. 2) Their Subs are way Noisy and that is why they get tracked and warned everytime they try to close Japanese Island s. 3) Their biggest problem is aircraft carrier based jets. The present fleet have underpowered jets. 4) 2nd Biggest problem is that they dont have Jet Engine good enough to build Stealthy jets, the existing w series engines on Su 35 copies have serviceability and thrust issues. Unable to meet even russian su 35 engines. 5) They dont have very efficient electronic counter measures, or electronic surveillance and radar equipments. 6) They have been making propaganda and world has been buying it. Unfortunately, in last one year they have faced one after another serious issues. Worst is that right now they are unable to rectify these issues. Their Su 35 copies are having few serious problem (unable to remember the exact issue) but they are unable to fix and russia is not helping them. 7) Their so called 5th generation radar and early warning systems sold to Turkey and Iran failed miserably in detecting French Rafael and Israeli F35s. 8) Taiwan has been effectively detecting, issuing warning and activating their air defence. 9) Their UAVs have been hopeless and Saudi has gifted it to some african country for free. Even that country got half of them crashed without any human error. 10) They dnt have any world class missiles expect DF anti aircraft missiles. Otherwise neither BvR are having accuracy nor their cruise missile are deadlier like ours. The only problem is that they have numbers and 1:3 or 1:4 would be a difficult situation. They have miserably failing in detecting US spy crafts. World experts say that they are growing navy superpower vut still they are not blue ocean navy. Just for a second think that they failed to operate in winters at LAC. Though last July they were showing the world that how they are delivering fresh food to soldiers on front. And by Aug their men started to drop due to harsh cold. All those advertised winter gear failed because it's men who needs to train and not just gears. Their company which manufactured the winter clothing provided the gear which was effective for -10 to -15 degrees. The moment temperature felt beyond -15, they had to rush for international supplier Even got help from Pakistani army.
I think in current situation , IAF should go for 36-54 additional Rafale (because losing the technology advantage gained by current 36 Rafale in this region by number game , would not be a good decision) , and nearly 200-300 Tejas Mk-1A by 2030 (So that to increase the production capacity of HAL) . Nearly 400-500 Tejas Mk-2 , 150-250 ORCA by 2040 . And nearly 350-450 AMCA Mk-1/2 by 2045 . Doing this would be best move for IAF .
No more Rafale and no more MMRCA will be worse for IAF considering the current strength of IAF compared to the combined strength of PLAAF and PAF together . Jai Hind 🇮🇳
One problem i have with the indian aircraft industry is that there is no competition for HAL within India. Whereas US and China have multiple companies to make and develop aircraft
Because no company in India have the expertise in making fighter aircrafts to compete with HAL... India spends a lot of money in importing aircrafts than spending money in research and development. The Tejas program took more than 35 years. Can you believe that?
Is Tejas MK2 ready and has tge testing completed? similarly is AMCA ready?. The answer is a flat no. While I am not suggesting we abandon them, the truth is we cannot rely on timely completion of these projects. So cancelling these would be suicidal. Can the HAL commit to delivering on time failing which all people involved in project will be summarily fired without pensions? The truth is we have an abysmal record of meeting deadlines and thus all estimated time schedules given by ADA-HAL have to be taken with a fistful of salt. While I typically agree the price of Rafale makes it difficult to be ordered in large volumes, it would be better to acquire any one of single engine contenders. If we do indeed persist with Rafale then they would have to be ordered in small batches and then we could acquire assembly line rights after we have created a big enough order book to make local assembly viable.
Exactly, when matrix said to scrap MMRCA & focus on MK2. My question is - is MK2 enough for taking down chi-ne aircrafts? Rafale is an omni-role fighter, is MK2 also an omni-role jet ? No.
Exactly my point. It is absolutely stupid to rely on those projects which aren't even completed and ready till now. The file of TEJAS has an old habit to move from table to table. The production rate of HAL is such that by the time of complete induction of 100 aircraft into IAF our SU30s will be on the verge of getting retired. By that time our squadron strength will succumb to less than 25.
I think in current situation , IAF should go for 36-54 additional Rafale (because losing the technology advantage gained by current 36 Rafale in this region by number game , would not be a good decision) , and nearly 200-300 Tejas Mk-1A by 2030 (So that to increase the production capacity of HAL) . Nearly 400-500 Tejas Mk-2 , 150-250 ORCA by 2040 . And nearly 350-450 AMCA Mk-1/2 by 2045 . Doing this would be best move for IAF .
Bhai with all do respect, I miss the previous intro video, that was the best intro video on any difence channel so far & I really hope that you will that in random video again which I'll love to see if because I use fell wile. The video startes "this is the perfect dedicated defence news channel, but the new intro video gives you the feeling of classic Hollywood ection movie intro like Rambo & all that stuff, I know according to the time you always need to change something & main thing is Mater is the contents in it, so no desrespect of what you do & god bless.
Russia ka fighter availablity ratio for fighter 45-50% hai aur india ko more than 70% chahiye jo Russia nahi de sakta. Russian fighter unbeaten nahi hai boss
@@abhilashyadav2274 It's fault of Russian engine which is not maintenance friendly and its spare parts of engine & others aircraft parts which they cannot provide at a time ..
Obviously this suggestion is most suitable for India, not only for defence forces but also future export possibilities. If Indian forces will not rely on Indian product who will think of purchasing Indian Defense Products for their country. We have already aware of Philippines interest on Dhrub and Dornier and Indian farms also exporting patrolling vessel to foreign country. So this suggestion is very best for Indian Interest. Last but not the least Govt. should encourage to create an environment where public and private sector will take part in R&D and Production and for that Govt. sectors should be strengthen but selling them will lead to loss of its own knowledge, information and capability. Thankyou for uploading such informative videos. Jai Hind.
Please make video on it please 👇 Tell us about the 33 aircrafts (12 su 30mki and 21 mig 29) jinhe lena tha Aur procurement ke liye manzoori mil gayi thi. Kya hua is deal ka What is plan of iaf to achieve squadron strength of 42 by 2028-30,when our MiG-21s (almost dead), jaguars and mig 29 upg are growing older and older...
My opinion on what should have been done... 1) Buying more Su-30 MKI for Heavy Category & Tejas mk1A for Light Category instead of rafale 2) Focusing on development of indigenous platforms and buying only these platforms in future... - LCA Tejas MK1A/MK2 for Light Category - TEDBF/LCA Tejas MK2 for Medium Category - AMCA for Heavy Category 3) Joint Development (along with Joint Ownership) of Jet Engine with Dassault or Rolls Royce for LCA, TEDBF, AMCA to prevent dependence on especially US or even Russia This is how we can become Truly Atmanirbhar...😎😎😎
Agree, but another 36 Rafale is very needed to form a minimum numbers for the available infrastructures. Also in future they will compensate for any unfortunate losses.
Also considering taking back PoK from Pigisthan, Aksai Chin & other region from Communists, Tibet Liberation we need Rafale to add to our squadron strength immediately. Indegneious/Innovation can happen very well with no delivery stress on HAL when Rafale keeps adding numbers & service availability of jets to our forces.
@@eliteevildarkness5830 whether we have advantage or not it's over land, It's Indian land. You never know what that land can offer in terms of water, natural resources, tourism, minerals, green patch, human skill, animal husbandry. It's our land
Road map timelines of Indigenous jets are very tight and HAL will certainly not meet it. So IAF can either allow the national security be compromised or feel the ants in the pant and procure 2nd batch of rafel and work on MMRCA on war footing to fill the minimum required squardens. Future planning can be done once today's requirement is fulfilled and IAF is comfortable for a 2front war. They have slept on the problem for long enough.
India needs minimum 70 to 90 or better to say 100 fighter jets from international market. Our all the indigenous program are going to yeild after 2027 or 2030 and beyond. China is a big threat and yes, they dont have any jet to counter Rafael, but they can definitely counter each Rafael by using three Su 35 copies and other Mig 21 copies. Secondly, firing missiles are considered to be igniting full scale war. If anything happens at LAC, India will not be able to retaliate with missiles. For keeping the response balanced yet effective, they will have to use Aurforce. Mig 29s are excellent dog fighter and can operate with ease within the Mountainous terrain, but then they have serious availability issue and number is also, quite low. Also, Su 30 MKI and Mig 29 electronic counter measures or jaming pods cannot be relied up on. Russia has been intentionally or unintentionally losing the trade kraft to Chinese. Also, Chinese have using similar systems in thier indigenous jets. Another issue is that Navy has been extremely disappointed with Mig 29s. Every now and then they are losing their pilots. Bother reliability and serviceability are big time issue. They have been praising Mig 29s and claming that with the help of manufacturer the serviceability has been increased to 70 percent, but the fact is that it is more a misinformation for our enemies and also, limited numbers of jets have their frame in excellent condition. Navy wanted to retire them by 2030s, but they have serious financial issues and thus they are going slow. They are more focused on acquiring Subs and at least 1 more aircraft carrier. Airforce wanted to retire Mig 21 Bison batchwise from 2020 or 2021. Unfortunately they failed to do that because Tejas has been delayed. The power of Mig 29 is low and thus it cannot be upgraded with new electronics and radars. And they have been proving the adjective given "Flying Coffins". Su 30 MKI: We wanted to get them upgraded for aometime now. I think we all have heard about the super Sukhoi program. Unfortunately, that too can be done to Jets manufactured in last 10 years. Jets older than 10 years, have frame issues. ie frame shelf life will be harmed significantly. Jaguars, Mig 21s and Mirajs: They have already reached their retirement age. The way of fighting war has entiry shifted and our more than 70 percent of fleets lags behind or not built as per modern need. Apart from all these existing issues, I have one very important logic: No country will give their top of the line technology to anyone. If we start experimenting indigenously, then also we would require certain references of 4.5 or 5th generation jets, currenrly operational. For getting cutting age Technologies, either India needs big pack of super IIT proffesionals or like every one else, we will have to steal it. For Airforce: Best jet woyld be Rafael, because we already have spent enough money in creating supy chain, maintenance and other rafael centric requirements. Also, France will feel rewarded for standing with us. Thirdly, French technologies are not talked about much, but at or beyond par US amd Russian technologies. Worlds best nuclear submarines are manufactured by France. Saffron will be forced to help us or become our partners for developing jet engines. For Navy: Our Navy has been liking super hornets and recently they successfully performed ski jump take-off. So our P8 planes (anti sub) are manufactured by Boeing, basically we will be able to use same weapons in both planes. Our main sea warfare helicopters ie Romeo are also US made. Also, now Indian Navy need to keep operate with other Quad countries. All the quad nations are mainly using US equipments. Syncing, communication in short Super Hornet will make us the part of Nato ecosyatems. Basically, it would be extremely hazardous for India, if we fail to select and order 100 more jets by 2021. Let me know if anyone feels otherwise or if I have made any mistake.
Amrit Raj: In today's world, everybody looks only at final outcomes. My MSME supplier is below par is not an acceptable excuse. If a vendor was supplying you with 'spoilt' vegetables, would you continue with him - because he has children to feed?? HAL simply needs to pull up their socks. (Being a DPSU, they're able to get away with their slovenly ways to a great extent.)
DM bro you are right but42 squadrons ki requirements 1962 me thi .aaj china ke advanced fighters approx.800 maana jaaye pak ka 300 fighter strength approx.to 2 front war ke liye atleast 1100 fighters chahiye. Ya atleast 62 squadrons (18 jets per squadrons)woh bhi least possible time frame me.tejas production capacity 20 per year ki hai aur itna bada aerospace manufacturing Base nahin hai abhi to numbers ke liye foreign import +indegenous jets dono chahiye. Agar bhaarat me china jitna bada manufacturing Base hota to hum confidently keh sakte the ki rafale nahin chahiye par rafale threat paida karta hai tejas threat paida nahin karta.abhi aerospace sector me bhaarat ki shuruat hai Isiliye indegenous +72 rafale dono chahiye
Agree with you 100%. Maybe 36 more Rafales at the most. (Even upgrading them will prove very costly) MRFA - combat aircraft from a foreign vendor is relevant, as HAL hasn't proved to be upto the mark and IAF is faced with an acute shortage of aircraft. But, not in the format of the earlier MMRCA 1.0. Saab and Lockheed Martin would be given broad parameters for developing a 'hybrid' single-engine combat aircraft based on the Tejas Mk-2, the main guideline being - an aircraft that will remain relevant for the next 3 decades with low operational and life cycle costs. This Gripen/Tejas Mk-2 hybrid or F-21/Tejas Mk-2 hybrid, would made by a SPV comprising ADA, an Indian partner or 2 and the selected foreign partner (Saab or Lockheed Martin). Govt. would offer the SPV part of HAL's Nashik production facility on lease. This fighter would be powered by a purpose-built 120-150 kN wet thrust, variable cycle afterburning turbofan Eurojet engine, which will be built for the aircraft under licence in India. This future aircraft will 𝗼𝗻𝗹𝘆 𝘂𝘀𝗲 an upgraded version of the quadruplex digital fly-by-wire Flight Control System (FCS) used in the Tejas Mk-1, with open-architecture software protocols that would allow it to be rapidly reconfigured and updated. 𝗔𝗯𝘀𝗼𝗹𝘂𝘁𝗲𝗹𝘆 𝗻𝗼 𝗳𝗼𝗿𝗲𝗶𝗴𝗻 𝘀𝗼𝗳𝘁𝘄𝗮𝗿𝗲 on board. Ⓝⓞⓣⓔⓢ: ➀ a Su-75/Tejas Mk-2 hybrid could have been considered, but dealing with Sukhoi/Rosoboronexport comes with a lot of hassles, incl. production target slippages. Worse, Russia is not keen on developing a local supply chain or aeronautical infrastructure/ecosystem. The most recent in their inability to bring down the import content of the Kamov Ka-226T helicopter. (They're so used to India as their 𝘮𝘪𝘭𝘤𝘩 𝘤𝘰𝘸) ➁ GoI will have to work out the aero engine deal with EuroJet Turbo GmbH (or some other engine manufacturer). A powerplant that'll comfortably be able to handle MTOW of around 20,000 kgs and also accomodate power requirements of future electronic upgrades ➂ incorrigible HAL can go on to making the 18 tandem-seat Mk-1 trainers and subsequently the 73 Mk-1As, at their own laggardly pace ➃ open architecture FCS would have to allow the fighter to receive more than one software update in a day. (If I recall correctly, Saab is planning something on these lines) ➄ while it is Saab that is likely to be more wholeheartedly involved in the project, Lockheed Martin has a wealth of aeronautical experience - across the board. But… 𝕃𝕄 𝕞𝕦𝕤𝕥 𝕓𝕖 𝕔𝕝𝕖𝕒𝕣𝕝𝕪 𝕥𝕠𝕝𝕕 𝕥𝕙𝕒𝕥 𝕨𝕖'𝕣𝕖 𝕟𝕠𝕥 𝕚𝕟𝕥𝕖𝕣𝕖𝕤𝕥𝕖𝕕 𝕚𝕟 𝕥𝕙𝕖 𝔽-𝟚𝟙 'with F-35 DNA'.
Being a Pakistani, I appreciate Defence Matrix unbias analysis of the PAF on his uploads. If i was to advice the IAF which appears to be significantly worried of its depleting squadrons, the sincerest advice would be to try setting up a TOT program with your allies such as France and develop a whole new platform in a 50/50 partnership. Learn from their extensive experience in aviation and move towards full indigenisation.
No bro we need more than 100 rafale's so that it could be a major deterance against china and Pakistan. Tejas mk 2 a long way we can not wait for it. And tejas mk 2 will not be capable like rafale
@@yogeshchaudhary2093 bcoz mk2 will take time to be a proven machine like Rafale And we can't wait so long if we have neighbours like China and Pakistan
Wow! Guys, I wasn't expecting this but still, we were not going to buy more than 36 jets in MMRCA 2. But we needed 126, we all can see these numbers. These numbers are not satisfactory. We still are going to wait for the rest so why not wait for all, this is where I would like to point at.
अरे दादा, अभी तो हमारे पास aircraft कम होते जा रहे हैं। Two front war कैसे लड़ेंगे। HAL और DRDO की delivery performance बहुत ही खराब है। 36 राफेल और लेने दो। DRDO और HAL आजकल propoganda के अलावा कुछ नहीं कर रहे हैं। साथ ही INS Vishal के वर्तमान status पर भी एक video बनाओ।🙏🙏
With the current situation , and With HAL and their delays , The Indian Airforce is paralyzed and Will be in a bigger crisis with the retirement of the Mig-21s. The Administration should have signed the MMRCA 2 years ago . But we did what we do best , we fucked up the situation even more. China is about to roll out Junk Fighter Block-3 , and We still can't figure how many FOC, IOC , ETC we got and when we'll get that.
Bhai pehli baar matter confusing laga ye topic bahut detail or complex hai but ur is also correct maybe dusre countries jinke pass variety hai fighter jets ki unse compre kiya jaye
Indigenous is best but time is a concern, Rafale F4 & F4M are mandatory in meeting falling squadron numbers & avillability (IAF&Navy). Next 10 year we have huge number of jets getting abosolute 324 jets (Mig21- 108 by 2023, Jaguar-120 by 2030, Mig29-66 by 2027, Mirrage -50 by 2030) . HAL even at 25/annum can replace (Tejas Mk1/2) only 250 jets, we are already short by 124 nos by considering replacement of grounded jets. This is excluding some of Heavy weight Su30Mki being grounded next 10 years. By 2030 Indian requirement of syadrons could be @ 50 instead of 42. HAL needs a 4th line 30jets/annum to get TEDBF, AMCA, CTAS, domestic passanger carrier planned under Udan Scheme, AWACS, Trainers, Drones,Heavy weight fighter jets etc. Start ramping indegneious capacity paralelly we ought to have Rafale M F4(M88E4 110Kn) & F4 Western border(M88E4).
In 10 year our grounded jets total could be over 350 & not 324. HAL would require 15 year just to replace them & other new projects could go for a toss
Bro Rafale is a tested platform and Tejas mk2 1st prototype is still not ready and fighter jets are urgent need of iaf,so we have to go with Rafale as France is a trusted partner ,also testing of Tejas mk2 take a long time when France do not questioned upgrade of Mirage why they will question on Rafale and if a country is getting a big export order of its fighter jets then they will say nothing so we should go with Rafale I am not in against of indiginisation but due to urgent need we have to buy some foreign fighters
Tejas mk2 is based on tejas mk 1 so it's already tested for a long time period that's why iaf is not building its prototype but ioc standards aircraft and if tejas do not get a chance then how could it proves it's worth in tejas Israel also helping
@@manishkumarsingh8450 bro I am not criticizing our Tejas after complete development it will be more dangerous than Rafale but fighter jets are our very urgent need and there is time in Tejas mk2
Sometimes I feel MiG 29 is quite underutilized. Before Su30Mki arrived and before it was converted to UPG standard it was India's sole air superiority fighter jet. Mirages are often used. From Kargil in 1999 to balakot in 2019. MiG 29 is quite a capable fighter jet in the medium weight category except that it too has a notoriously low servicibillity but hopefully it's improved now. Even the MiG 29 k,s the navy was innitially reluctant and have a lot of servicibillity issues. Someone was blaming India for low servicibillity for this should know that Mirages do not have the issue of low servicibillity.
3 Things I would suggest MoD to implement to build a defence industrial ecosystem within the country- 1. The 7 New Government Owned Corporate Entities being formed out of the Ordinance Factory Board, their Board of Director Members must include members from all 3 Armed Forces as well to bring specialization. 2. List all the Defence Public Sector Units on Stock Exchange. Sell 25% of their shares in IPO just like we are doing with HAL. This will allow these organizations to borrow money from the Market as well. So it will help reduce Government's liability & increase transparency in the working of these companies. 3. Make it mandatory for every company to invest atleast 5% of their revenue earned from operations in a particular year on R&D in the next financial year. It will just be like the CSR law where audit will be held every year & the company will have to mention how much amount it spent on R&D & what innovations it could undertake. This will greatly enhance our innovation capability. It will be a big step in Research & Development of Defence platforms.
But I still say that if not 114,, then we must order atleast another 36 rafale aircrafts, this will bring some uniformity to the IAF, and 36 more makes sense too, as these bases only along with a bit infrastructure at Gwalior can certainly become home base for another two squadrons. But yes, MMRCA DOSENT MAKES SENSE NOW ! Simply because when the number 126 or 114 was thought, then there was only LCA which was almost scrapped, AMCA was at a very early stage, and there was no project called TEJAS MK2 and TEDBF.
Su30Mkm is better than Mki. Malayasia has some good techs there and a important Friend or Foe system. We did badly in red flag BVR with US because our plains did not recognize each other. Poor network centric warfare, we need to improve networking.
Is he Defence minister? Prime miniter? Air chief marshall? He is half knowledge guy, who is earning his bread on our views so making bull shit vids.. use ur head brother. Dont worry- u don't need to cry inside ur heart. IAF will order a minimum of 36 more.
@@kanekiken2002 buying more dn 36 mote rafales will slowly turn from luxury to necessity. Hal fails to produce good fighters at right time. And iaf will have left no option either to get more rafales .
IAF should focus on improving active stealth rather than structural stealth like the F35 as fighter aircrafts should have a high manoeuvreability when in a WVR battle when stealth is rendered useless. IAF should also get double the number of LCA Mk1As as these can replace the Jaguars in almost all areas like payload, twr, speed, service ceiling and now with a reduction in dead weight of 500kg even in the combat range aspect. The MK2 s can form the next 200 aircraft backbone as an almost 5th gen fighter.
@Kumar K: "𝑰𝑨𝑭 𝒔𝒉𝒐𝒖𝒍𝒅 𝒂𝒍𝒔𝒐 𝒈𝒆𝒕 𝒅𝒐𝒖𝒃𝒍𝒆 𝒕𝒉𝒆 𝒏𝒖𝒎𝒃𝒆𝒓 𝒐𝒇 𝑳𝑪𝑨 𝑴𝒌-1𝑨𝒔" From where??? 🤔 The country has just one aircraft manufacturer, the annual output of which is 8 aircraft or fewer. 😆😆😆 As per HAL's schedule, it'll be 2029 by the time all 73 Mk-1As have been built. Since HAL is well known for production slippages, add another 2 years. (Retirement of MiG-21s and Jaguars will start in 2024. The IAF operates 107 heavily upgraded MiG-21 Bisons, with Auto pilot and new digital flight control system.) So, MRFA is probably the IAF's only option. "𝑻𝒉𝒆 𝑴𝒌-𝟐𝒔 𝒄𝒂𝒏 𝒇𝒐𝒓𝒎 𝒕𝒉𝒆 𝒏𝒆𝒙𝒕 𝟐𝟎𝟎 𝒂𝒊𝒓𝒄𝒓𝒂𝒇𝒕 𝒃𝒂𝒄𝒌𝒃𝒐𝒏𝒆 𝒂𝒔 𝒂𝒏 𝒂𝒍𝒎𝒐𝒔𝒕 𝟓𝒕𝒉 𝒈𝒆𝒏 𝒇𝒊𝒈𝒉𝒕𝒆𝒓." 😆😆😆 If IAF depends of HAL, they'll get the Tejas Mk-2s only by the end of the century. And… FYI, there's nothing "almost 5th-gen" about the Tejas Mk-2. Note: 𝕁𝕦𝕤𝕥 𝕥𝕙𝕖 𝕣𝕖𝕥𝕚𝕣𝕖𝕞𝕖𝕟𝕥 𝕠𝕗 𝕥𝕙𝕖 𝟙𝟙𝟘-𝕠𝕕𝕕 𝕁𝕒𝕘𝕦𝕒𝕣𝕤 𝕨𝕠𝕦𝕝𝕕 𝕔𝕣𝕖𝕒𝕥𝕖 𝕒 𝟞 𝕤𝕢𝕦𝕒𝕕𝕣𝕠𝕟 𝕘𝕒𝕡 𝕚𝕟 𝕥𝕙𝕖 𝕀𝔸𝔽'𝕤 𝕔𝕠𝕞𝕓𝕒𝕥 𝕗𝕝𝕖𝕖𝕥. It would also render fruitless the sophisticated avionics upgrades that HAL carried out to its mission systems, making it a far more potent and accurate fighter-bomber than when it first came to India. The aircraft has a speed of 1700 km/h and has a range of 3524 kms. In 4 years of exploratory talks between the IAF and Rolls-Royce, the cost of refurbishing the old Adour 804/811 engines with Adour 871 parts has not yet been discussed. The cost of replacing the Jaguars would be $20 billion-$30 billion.
Is electronics avillable of the shelf??? World is having shortage of electronic components , auto industry is literally stopping lines for want of electronics. 5G chips & components for 5G infra are globally short & waiting periods are in months not weeks now. Imagine just electronic updates on existing or old fighters. It would be better betting against HAL Tejas delayed deliveries over just electronics updates 😀. French has better purchase/bargaining power over HAL. A Rafale F4 line would help India meet short fall(MMRC 2.0 & Naval fighter) of 124 jets considering only replacement of jets grounded by 2030 excluding Heavy weight fighter Su30MKI being grounded in next 10 years. With Rafale line in India ecosystem of aerospace, technology, manpower skill will all ramp up in less than 10 years to make India a global aerospace manufacturing hub.
The most important issue right now is the dwindled squadron strength. Many years back our AirForce chiefs had asked for 60 squadrons to counter the joint Sinopak threat. Why has DOD reduced this to 42 squadrons ? By stopping the MMRCA program, we are putting the lives of our pilots at risk and possibly the territory of our country. We need 5-6 squadrons of MMRCA urgently.
I would still feel French r quite supportive and we could lock in additional 36 Rafael's with F4 upgrade locked in now itslef and future EW suite, while we then scrap MMRCA 2.0 and expedite Tejas lines Super Sukhoi upgrade et al, Jai Hind 🇮🇳
@paresh1411: Of course the French r "quite supportive", but that's not because the love Indians. There's a world of a difference between "𝗾𝘂𝗶𝘁𝗲 𝘀𝘂𝗽𝗽𝗼𝗿𝘁𝗶𝘃𝗲" and "𝗳𝘂𝗹𝗹𝘆 𝘀𝘂𝗽𝗽𝗼𝗿𝘁𝗶𝘃𝗲". That's why Safran in spite of initially making all the right noises, refused to part with the technology necessary to improve the thrust of the 𝘒𝘢𝘷𝘦𝘳𝘪 GTX-35VS engine. 𝗗𝗼𝗻'𝘁 𝗳𝗼𝗿𝗴𝗲𝘁 𝘁𝗵𝗮𝘁 𝘄𝗵𝗶𝗹𝗲 𝗹𝗮𝘂𝗱𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗙𝗿𝗲𝗻𝗰𝗵. And, no country has bought 36 Rafales as yet.
Problem of IAF is its depleting strength of aircrafts. With present aircrafts we can't even fight a single front war. So it is necessary that we buy some aircrafts and make some aircrafts in house. Buying Rafels would be a good option as IAF is already flying them and happy with its performance. Thanx. Jai Hind.
All of them will soon be retiring. Jaguars are underpowered by 20%. MiG 21 are killing IAF pilots better than any enemy ever can , Mirage is also getting old. Its not going well for IAF
Please watch the video completely, nobody is denying purchasing of More Rafale or MMRCA aircraft, but we must make sure, we have the flexibility of putting our system, weapons onboard and we get support of OEM in upgrading them in future with what we want in future.
@@DefenceMatrix Yes, true. That is why I say that we must buy and make both simultaneously. Unless we buy in sufficient quantities problem of paucity of aircrafts will not be solved. Thanx.
Another 36 Rafales r needed for replacement of 69 Jaguars.Jaguars will be headache in future for its maintainance.Also,they should be retired many years ago.HAL is just a liability on Govt,their production rate is slower than tortoise.They will cost India a huge price someday,till that day we will defend them.HAL is like the train which reached the platform overloaded and dirty condition with 2 hours delay.But now Railway is also making too much progress.OFB's guns r of 1960's design with no future,their employees r just behaving like LIC agents who r just happy in life,Baki desh Jaye gaddhe main.
IAF, MOD must give repeat order of 36 - 48 no of Rafales. LCA MK 1 A order should be increased from, 83 no to 120 no. Mk 2 must be ordered in large quantities like 300+.
@mandar P: Great idea. IAF, MoD must give repeat order of 36 aircraft - in perpetuity. That is: when 36 aircraft are fully delivered, order for the next 36 must automatically kick in. 😜 And, since want it in the shortest possible time, HAL is out of question.
If not a 4 assembly line of HAL India ought to have a Aerospace consortium which can produce 30Jets/planes per annum to meet short falls of 2030. If not forget exports of indegneious aerospace products. This is where Rafale F4 line In India can help us exports & indegneiousiation by redusing stress on HAL for deliveries
Considering the lack of squadrons on our side, we should go for another 36 Rafale. We can't trust our PSU for timely delivery of Tejas fighter. Expect delays in Tejas delivery in upcoming days since employee unions are going for strike against corporatisation. Such issues cause delay in our projects and so better to get additional Rafale so we are not critically dependent on Tejas program.
You are completely right. But one thing we have to understand that partial indigenisation will not Surve the purpose. Even some small component of foreign origin can also fail the entire equipment or leak the critical information like radio frequency location etc to foreign supplier. If that foreign supplier is your adversary or hard core ally of adversary then it may lead to strategic disaster. Before Gulf War Iraq gwas having one of the largest and potent modern airforce of that time. But it failed due to above mentioned reason. That’s the reason that France and Russia nowadays China also prefer a complete indigenous weapon not a partial one. Partially indigenous weapons are almost like imported ones. And most of our so called indigenous fighter jet partially indigenous only. This platforms can fail if America or the other western supplier turns adversary because of any reason like human rights violation or arm embargo because of long-range missile test nuclear test etc. we have to acknowledge the fact that India is a country always struggling with many internal issues. Any point of times security forces have to one or other way have to raise weapons against miscreant elements. Today our relation is very good with western world. But they have track record of imposing sanctions or turning military adversary if your policy is not in line with their expectations. So until we can completely indigenise our key weapon systems and have strategic independence, we need to keep mix sources of our weapons I.E American, european and Russian.
@Yogesh Thakur: Self proclaimed "defence analysts" can talk any nonsense. Most of them don't have military training. Even if he has, a person with 20 years of Army experience cannot make an entirely accurate assessment of the IAF's requirement or maybe even of artillery requirements. If someone tomorrow says 50, will everyone be wondering how to attain air fleet strength of 50 squadrons??? This "42 squadrons" requirement was arrived at decades ago when we had fighter jets like the MiG-21s, which were followed by newer variable-geometry MiG-23s and MiG-27s. (Of course, we still have the MiG-21s, but the other 2 have been retired.) If we still need 42 squadrons, then the 'equations' 𝟭 𝗠𝗶𝗚-𝟮𝟭 = 𝟭 𝗠𝗶𝗚-𝟮𝟵𝗨𝗣𝗚, 𝟭 𝗠𝗶𝗚-𝟮𝟭 = 𝟭 𝗦𝘂-𝟯𝟬𝗠𝗞𝗜 and 𝟭 𝗠𝗶𝗚-𝟮𝟭 = 𝟭 𝗥𝗮𝗳𝗮𝗹𝗲 𝗙𝟯-𝗥 with ISE must hold true. Is the MiG-21 (or MiG-23/MiG-27) as capable as the Su-30MKI or Rafale F3-R?? 🤔
@@le_ecrivaine we need basic I Q to understand this, 42 or 45 squadrons are need of IAF stated by them directly or indirectly. 1 squadron = 18+ jets. Migs & other are old, newest jet is Rafale and Tejas, Su 30 is 20yr old. Air Force need jets to do work!!
I think in current situation , IAF should go for 36-54 additional Rafale (because losing the technology advantage gained by current 36 Rafale in this region by number game , would not be a good decision) , and nearly 200-300 Tejas Mk-1A by 2030 (So that to increase the production capacity of HAL) . Nearly 400-500 Tejas Mk-2 , 150-250 ORCA by 2040 . And nearly 350-450 AMCA Mk-1/2 by 2045 . Doing this would be best move for IAF .
@Arpit Raj: To save people like you the trouble of having to repeatedly write comments exhorting purchase of the Rafale, govt. must give repeat order of 36 aircraft - in perpetuity. That is: when 36 aircraft are fully delivered, order for the next 36 must automatically kick in. And, since want it in the shortest possible time, production at HAL is out of question. (They're struggling even to make Tejas Mk-1s.)
Problem is, Indian companies consumes lot of time in manufacturing so there are two ways either suffer shortages or buy foreign platforms to meet out shortages.
Question is about timely delivery of ordered aircraft , if it is in time possible enough, then we should totally rely on Tejas Mk II, otherwise we should purchase around 40 no rafale f4, and simultaneously we have to focus on upgrade of SU-30 MKI into super sukhoi, but after watching the vedio completely , I would suggest that We cannot rely on foreign components for building our platform, we should build our own platform with our components so that we Can make changes quickly to our equipments accordingly, as per the future requirements, because the world is growing very fast and we are lagging behind. The ultimate question is about the timely delivery of equipments from ADA, HAL and DRDO
I think IAF should go for 36-54 additional Rafale (because losing the technology advantage gained by current 36 Rafale in this region by number game , would not be a good decision) , and nearly 200-300 Tejas Mk-1A by 2030 (So that to increase the production capacity of HAL) . Nearly 400-500 Tejas Mk-2 , 150-250 ORCA by 2040 . And nearly 350-450 AMCA Mk-1/2 by 2045 . Doing this would be best move for IAF .
There was some news about Greek Rafales might have indian Brahmos. If Greeks are given go ahead by France, we might have a chance to integrate Brahmos on our own Rafales. Still, we are stuck and are behind in terms of thinking. What we should have instead is an squadron of drones. An engagement with China may not be driven by heavy aircrafts. Why are they making Tejas MK2 as 4th generation instead of 5th ?
So , would it make sense if we upgrade our Sukhois with indigenous engine, Aesa radar & weapons package? The aircraft will be less maneuverable but will have superior avionics & weapons package.
France will upgrade rafale to f5 standard which is really advanced, and if we buy 114 we can make some of it in India,and I also heard france may allow astra missile to be added
Please watch the video completely, nobody is denying purchasing of More Rafale or MMRCA aircraft, but we must make sure, we have the flexibility of putting our system, weapons onboard and we get support of OEM in upgrading them in future with what we want in future.
My concern is the moot points raised will not be heard by our administration but dushman zaroor sunenge😅
Good Suggestion Which will help in future Warfare but What is the best & Effective solution to Current Scenario (Airforce Requitments to Counter China/Pak)
But if we go by this, our three services will keep on changing goal post, as you say that technology changes fast every six months or so, and then there will be lot of delay in developing or purchasing any new technology.
@@k1342alpesh electronics can be modified even after the platform is in service.. you should induct the base platform first.
Are you Expecting HAL/ADA to deliver on time ? We need a parallel private ecosystem of fighter jets in the country and only MRCA can kick start that..
We need a private company along with HAL. So that our production rate in boost. Then only we can think for export.
Absolutely bro
Hal is doing great . Ada ko phle plan lana padega
@@assam775 HAL is overloaded. Helicopters, Aircraft, Engines, overhauling. Plus making prototype. We need to come out of scarcity of sqardon strength.
India needs minimum 70 to 90 or better to say 100 fighter jets from international market. Our all the indigenous program are going to yeild after 2027 or 2030 and beyond.
China is a big threat and yes, they dont have any jet to counter Rafael, but they can definitely counter each Rafael by using three Su 35 copies and other Mig 21 copies.
Secondly, firing missiles are considered to be igniting full scale war. If anything happens at LAC, India will not be able to retaliate with missiles. For keeping the response balanced yet effective, they will have to use Aurforce.
Mig 29s are excellent dog fighter and can operate with ease within the Mountainous terrain, but then they have serious availability issue and number is also, quite low. Also, Su 30 MKI and Mig 29 electronic counter measures or jaming pods cannot be relied up on. Russia has been intentionally or unintentionally losing the trade kraft to Chinese. Also, Chinese have using similar systems in thier indigenous jets.
Another issue is that Navy has been extremely disappointed with Mig 29s. Every now and then they are losing their pilots. Bother reliability and serviceability are big time issue. They have been praising Mig 29s and claming that with the help of manufacturer the serviceability has been increased to 70 percent, but the fact is that it is more a misinformation for our enemies and also, limited numbers of jets have their frame in excellent condition.
Navy wanted to retire them by 2030s, but they have serious financial issues and thus they are going slow. They are more focused on acquiring Subs and at least 1 more aircraft carrier.
Airforce wanted to retire Mig 21 Bison batchwise from 2020 or 2021. Unfortunately they failed to do that because Tejas has been delayed. The power of Mig 29 is low and thus it cannot be upgraded with new electronics and radars. And they have been proving the adjective given "Flying Coffins".
Su 30 MKI: We wanted to get them upgraded for aometime now. I think we all have heard about the super Sukhoi program. Unfortunately, that too can be done to Jets manufactured in last 10 years. Jets older than 10 years, have frame issues. ie frame shelf life will be harmed significantly.
Jaguars, Mig 21s and Mirajs: They have already reached their retirement age. The way of fighting war has entiry shifted and our more than 70 percent of fleets lags behind or not built as per modern need.
Apart from all these existing issues, I have one very important logic:
No country will give their top of the line technology to anyone. If we start experimenting indigenously, then also we would require certain references of 4.5 or 5th generation jets, currenrly operational.
For getting cutting age Technologies, either India needs big pack of super IIT proffesionals or like every one else, we will have to steal it.
For Airforce: Best jet woyld be Rafael, because we already have spent enough money in creating supy chain, maintenance and other rafael centric requirements. Also, France will feel rewarded for standing with us. Thirdly, French technologies are not talked about much, but at or beyond par US amd Russian technologies.
Worlds best nuclear submarines are manufactured by France. Saffron will be forced to help us or become our partners for developing jet engines.
For Navy: Our Navy has been liking super hornets and recently they successfully performed ski jump take-off. So our P8 planes (anti sub) are manufactured by Boeing, basically we will be able to use same weapons in both planes. Our main sea warfare helicopters ie Romeo are also US made. Also, now Indian Navy need to keep operate with other Quad countries. All the quad nations are mainly using US equipments.
Syncing, communication in short Super Hornet will make us the part of Nato ecosyatems.
Basically, it would be extremely hazardous for India, if we fail to select and order 100 more jets by 2021.
Let me know if anyone feels otherwise or if I have made any mistake.
@@ramprakashbhatt6672 India needs minimum 70 to 90 or better to say 100 fighter jets from international market. Our all the indigenous program are going to yeild after 2027 or 2030 and beyond.
China is a big threat and yes, they dont have any jet to counter Rafael, but they can definitely counter each Rafael by using three Su 35 copies and other Mig 21 copies.
Secondly, firing missiles are considered to be igniting full scale war. If anything happens at LAC, India will not be able to retaliate with missiles. For keeping the response balanced yet effective, they will have to use Aurforce.
Mig 29s are excellent dog fighter and can operate with ease within the Mountainous terrain, but then they have serious availability issue and number is also, quite low. Also, Su 30 MKI and Mig 29 electronic counter measures or jaming pods cannot be relied up on. Russia has been intentionally or unintentionally losing the trade kraft to Chinese. Also, Chinese have using similar systems in thier indigenous jets.
Another issue is that Navy has been extremely disappointed with Mig 29s. Every now and then they are losing their pilots. Bother reliability and serviceability are big time issue. They have been praising Mig 29s and claming that with the help of manufacturer the serviceability has been increased to 70 percent, but the fact is that it is more a misinformation for our enemies and also, limited numbers of jets have their frame in excellent condition.
Navy wanted to retire them by 2030s, but they have serious financial issues and thus they are going slow. They are more focused on acquiring Subs and at least 1 more aircraft carrier.
Airforce wanted to retire Mig 21 Bison batchwise from 2020 or 2021. Unfortunately they failed to do that because Tejas has been delayed. The power of Mig 29 is low and thus it cannot be upgraded with new electronics and radars. And they have been proving the adjective given "Flying Coffins".
Su 30 MKI: We wanted to get them upgraded for aometime now. I think we all have heard about the super Sukhoi program. Unfortunately, that too can be done to Jets manufactured in last 10 years. Jets older than 10 years, have frame issues. ie frame shelf life will be harmed significantly.
Jaguars, Mig 21s and Mirajs: They have already reached their retirement age. The way of fighting war has entiry shifted and our more than 70 percent of fleets lags behind or not built as per modern need.
Apart from all these existing issues, I have one very important logic:
No country will give their top of the line technology to anyone. If we start experimenting indigenously, then also we would require certain references of 4.5 or 5th generation jets, currenrly operational.
For getting cutting age Technologies, either India needs big pack of super IIT proffesionals or like every one else, we will have to steal it.
For Airforce: Best jet woyld be Rafael, because we already have spent enough money in creating supy chain, maintenance and other rafael centric requirements. Also, France will feel rewarded for standing with us. Thirdly, French technologies are not talked about much, but at or beyond par US amd Russian technologies.
Worlds best nuclear submarines are manufactured by France. Saffron will be forced to help us or become our partners for developing jet engines.
For Navy: Our Navy has been liking super hornets and recently they successfully performed ski jump take-off. So our P8 planes (anti sub) are manufactured by Boeing, basically we will be able to use same weapons in both planes. Our main sea warfare helicopters ie Romeo are also US made. Also, now Indian Navy need to keep operate with other Quad countries. All the quad nations are mainly using US equipments.
Syncing, communication in short Super Hornet will make us the part of Nato ecosyatems.
Basically, it would be extremely hazardous for India, if we fail to select and order 100 more jets by 2021.
Let me know if anyone feels otherwise or if I have made any mistake.
Still believe that India should go in for 36 more Rafale as it will be a good deterrence against China and Pakistan.....Also Rafales can go for midlife upgrades somewhere around 2035 which can keep them going on till 2045-2050
Hahaha Indian airforce is going to use them for atleast 50 years, coz thats how it works
India needs minimum 70 to 90 or better to say 100 fighter jets from international market. Our all the indigenous program are going to yeild after 2027 or 2030 and beyond.
China is a big threat and yes, they dont have any jet to counter Rafael, but they can definitely counter each Rafael by using three Su 35 copies and other Mig 21 copies.
Secondly, firing missiles are considered to be igniting full scale war. If anything happens at LAC, India will not be able to retaliate with missiles. For keeping the response balanced yet effective, they will have to use Aurforce.
Mig 29s are excellent dog fighter and can operate with ease within the Mountainous terrain, but then they have serious availability issue and number is also, quite low. Also, Su 30 MKI and Mig 29 electronic counter measures or jaming pods cannot be relied up on. Russia has been intentionally or unintentionally losing the trade kraft to Chinese. Also, Chinese have using similar systems in thier indigenous jets.
Another issue is that Navy has been extremely disappointed with Mig 29s. Every now and then they are losing their pilots. Bother reliability and serviceability are big time issue. They have been praising Mig 29s and claming that with the help of manufacturer the serviceability has been increased to 70 percent, but the fact is that it is more a misinformation for our enemies and also, limited numbers of jets have their frame in excellent condition.
Navy wanted to retire them by 2030s, but they have serious financial issues and thus they are going slow. They are more focused on acquiring Subs and at least 1 more aircraft carrier.
Airforce wanted to retire Mig 21 Bison batchwise from 2020 or 2021. Unfortunately they failed to do that because Tejas has been delayed. The power of Mig 29 is low and thus it cannot be upgraded with new electronics and radars. And they have been proving the adjective given "Flying Coffins".
Su 30 MKI: We wanted to get them upgraded for aometime now. I think we all have heard about the super Sukhoi program. Unfortunately, that too can be done to Jets manufactured in last 10 years. Jets older than 10 years, have frame issues. ie frame shelf life will be harmed significantly.
Jaguars, Mig 21s and Mirajs: They have already reached their retirement age. The way of fighting war has entiry shifted and our more than 70 percent of fleets lags behind or not built as per modern need.
Apart from all these existing issues, I have one very important logic:
No country will give their top of the line technology to anyone. If we start experimenting indigenously, then also we would require certain references of 4.5 or 5th generation jets, currenrly operational.
For getting cutting age Technologies, either India needs big pack of super IIT proffesionals or like every one else, we will have to steal it.
For Airforce: Best jet woyld be Rafael, because we already have spent enough money in creating supy chain, maintenance and other rafael centric requirements. Also, France will feel rewarded for standing with us. Thirdly, French technologies are not talked about much, but at or beyond par US amd Russian technologies.
Worlds best nuclear submarines are manufactured by France. Saffron will be forced to help us or become our partners for developing jet engines.
For Navy: Our Navy has been liking super hornets and recently they successfully performed ski jump take-off. So our P8 planes (anti sub) are manufactured by Boeing, basically we will be able to use same weapons in both planes. Our main sea warfare helicopters ie Romeo are also US made. Also, now Indian Navy need to keep operate with other Quad countries. All the quad nations are mainly using US equipments.
Syncing, communication in short Super Hornet will make us the part of Nato ecosyatems.
Basically, it would be extremely hazardous for India, if we fail to select and order 100 more jets by 2021.
Let me know if anyone feels otherwise or if I have made any mistake.
@@skvindi The situation is screwed for IAF.
@@jai9983 Sorry to say but China does nt 1) Have 10 15 aircraft carrier.
2) Their Subs are way Noisy and that is why they get tracked and warned everytime they try to close Japanese Island s.
3) Their biggest problem is aircraft carrier based jets. The present fleet have underpowered jets.
4) 2nd Biggest problem is that they dont have Jet Engine good enough to build Stealthy jets, the existing w series engines on Su 35 copies have serviceability and thrust issues. Unable to meet even russian su 35 engines.
5) They dont have very efficient electronic counter measures, or electronic surveillance and radar equipments.
6) They have been making propaganda and world has been buying it. Unfortunately, in last one year they have faced one after another serious issues. Worst is that right now they are unable to rectify these issues.
Their Su 35 copies are having few serious problem (unable to remember the exact issue) but they are unable to fix and russia is not helping them.
7) Their so called 5th generation radar and early warning systems sold to Turkey and Iran failed miserably in detecting French Rafael and Israeli F35s.
8) Taiwan has been effectively detecting, issuing warning and activating their air defence.
9) Their UAVs have been hopeless and Saudi has gifted it to some african country for free. Even that country got half of them crashed without any human error.
10) They dnt have any world class missiles expect DF anti aircraft missiles. Otherwise neither BvR are having accuracy nor their cruise missile are deadlier like ours.
The only problem is that they have numbers and 1:3 or 1:4 would be a difficult situation.
They have miserably failing in detecting US spy crafts.
World experts say that they are growing navy superpower vut still they are not blue ocean navy.
Just for a second think that they failed to operate in winters at LAC. Though last July they were showing the world that how they are delivering fresh food to soldiers on front. And by Aug their men started to drop due to harsh cold.
All those advertised winter gear failed because it's men who needs to train and not just gears.
Their company which manufactured the winter clothing provided the gear which was effective for -10 to -15 degrees. The moment temperature felt beyond -15, they had to rush for international supplier
Even got help from Pakistani army.
I think in current situation , IAF should go for 36-54 additional Rafale (because losing the technology advantage gained by current 36 Rafale in this region by number game , would not be a good decision) , and nearly 200-300 Tejas Mk-1A by 2030 (So that to increase the production capacity of HAL) .
Nearly 400-500 Tejas Mk-2 , 150-250 ORCA by 2040 .
And nearly 350-450 AMCA Mk-1/2 by 2045 .
Doing this would be best move for IAF .
No more Rafale and no more MMRCA will be worse for IAF considering the current strength of IAF compared to the combined strength of PLAAF and PAF together . Jai Hind 🇮🇳
Well said!
Indian airforce is not better than China
One problem i have with the indian aircraft industry is that there is no competition for HAL within India. Whereas US and China have multiple companies to make and develop aircraft
Because no company in India have the expertise in making fighter aircrafts to compete with HAL... India spends a lot of money in importing aircrafts than spending money in research and development. The Tejas program took more than 35 years. Can you believe that?
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Nope But jf 17 thunder already land in turkey For Anatolain Eagle exercise with qatari Rafale 😁
Teja in Factory and waiting For production since 80s
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It was disproved in 1971, 6 day war , WW2 . War brings peace.
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Is Tejas MK2 ready and has tge testing completed? similarly is AMCA ready?. The answer is a flat no. While I am not suggesting we abandon them, the truth is we cannot rely on timely completion of these projects. So cancelling these would be suicidal. Can the HAL commit to delivering on time failing which all people involved in project will be summarily fired without pensions? The truth is we have an abysmal record of meeting deadlines and thus all estimated time schedules given by ADA-HAL have to be taken with a fistful of salt. While I typically agree the price of Rafale makes it difficult to be ordered in large volumes, it would be better to acquire any one of single engine contenders. If we do indeed persist with Rafale then they would have to be ordered in small batches and then we could acquire assembly line rights after we have created a big enough order book to make local assembly viable.
Exactly, when matrix said to scrap MMRCA & focus on MK2. My question is - is MK2 enough for taking down chi-ne aircrafts? Rafale is an omni-role fighter, is MK2 also an omni-role jet ? No.
Exactly my point. It is absolutely stupid to rely on those projects which aren't even completed and ready till now. The file of TEJAS has an old habit to move from table to table. The production rate of HAL is such that by the time of complete induction of 100 aircraft into IAF our SU30s will be on the verge of getting retired. By that time our squadron strength will succumb to less than 25.
I think in current situation , IAF should go for 36-54 additional Rafale (because losing the technology advantage gained by current 36 Rafale in this region by number game , would not be a good decision) , and nearly 200-300 Tejas Mk-1A by 2030 (So that to increase the production capacity of HAL) .
Nearly 400-500 Tejas Mk-2 , 150-250 ORCA by 2040 .
And nearly 350-450 AMCA Mk-1/2 by 2045 .
Doing this would be best move for IAF .
@@arpitraj8842 dude, iaf cancelled ORCA, they don't want it, don't know why ?
@@arpitraj8842 Are u stupid? Where will the money come from?
Bhai with all do respect, I miss the previous intro video, that was the best intro video on any difence channel so far & I really hope that you will that in random video again which I'll love to see if because I use fell wile. The video startes "this is the perfect dedicated defence news channel, but the new intro video gives you the feeling of classic Hollywood ection movie intro like Rambo & all that stuff, I know according to the time you always need to change something & main thing is Mater is the contents in it, so no desrespect of what you do & god bless.
Everyone watching should know these things are possible if we retain the present government in 2024..........
Correct statement, but are you thinking? Our current government will again retain power in 2024.
Yes absolutely , modi ji already has a mindset to make India a superpower 👍
2024 mei modiji hi ayenge
Only modiji again and👀👉 again....
Not just watching. Everyone living in India should get this message.
Russia is like a modification beast and that's good
Russia ka fighter availablity ratio for fighter 45-50% hai aur india ko more than 70% chahiye jo Russia nahi de sakta. Russian fighter unbeaten nahi hai boss
@@laxmikantjadhav3449 Its not the fault of Russia that India cannot maintain operational readiness of its fighters.
@@abhilashyadav2274 It's fault of Russian engine which is not maintenance friendly and its spare parts of engine & others aircraft parts which they cannot provide at a time ..
@@abhilashyadav2274 it is fault of super galaxy power Pakistan
russian junk
Very wise words and 100% correct !!!
Obviously this suggestion is most suitable for India, not only for defence forces but also future export possibilities. If Indian forces will not rely on Indian product who will think of purchasing Indian Defense Products for their country. We have already aware of Philippines interest on Dhrub and Dornier and Indian farms also exporting patrolling vessel to foreign country. So this suggestion is very best for Indian Interest. Last but not the least Govt. should encourage to create an environment where public and private sector will take part in R&D and Production and for that Govt. sectors should be strengthen but selling them will lead to loss of its own knowledge, information and capability. Thankyou for uploading such informative videos. Jai Hind.
Please make video on it
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Tell us about the 33 aircrafts (12 su 30mki and 21 mig 29) jinhe lena tha
Aur procurement ke liye manzoori mil gayi thi.
Kya hua is deal ka
What is plan of iaf to achieve squadron strength of 42 by 2028-30,when our MiG-21s (almost dead), jaguars and mig 29 upg are growing older and older...
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My opinion on what should have been done...
1) Buying more Su-30 MKI for Heavy Category & Tejas mk1A for Light Category instead of rafale
2) Focusing on development of indigenous platforms and buying only these platforms in future...
- LCA Tejas MK1A/MK2 for Light Category
- TEDBF/LCA Tejas MK2 for Medium Category
- AMCA for Heavy Category
3) Joint Development (along with Joint Ownership) of Jet Engine with Dassault or Rolls Royce for LCA, TEDBF, AMCA to prevent dependence on especially US or even Russia
This is how we can become Truly Atmanirbhar...😎😎😎
Excellent Analysis ❤️❤️❤️
Best Video on MMRCA 2.0 👍🏼
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Agree, but another 36 Rafale is very needed to form a minimum numbers for the available infrastructures. Also in future they will compensate for any unfortunate losses.
U didn't mention development time of tejas MK2. I think, It may take 7-8 years to develop MK2.
Also considering taking back PoK from Pigisthan, Aksai Chin & other region from Communists, Tibet Liberation we need Rafale to add to our squadron strength immediately. Indegneious/Innovation can happen very well with no delivery stress on HAL when Rafale keeps adding numbers & service availability of jets to our forces.
We don't need POK tbh
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Aksai chin on other hand gives us certain edge over china
But not pok
@@eliteevildarkness5830 whether we have advantage or not it's over land, It's Indian land. You never know what that land can offer in terms of water, natural resources, tourism, minerals, green patch, human skill, animal husbandry. It's our land
Even if india buys 1000 rafale it wont match abilities of mega supergalactic fighter jf17
Yesterday jf17 carried a satellite in space for free
And it detected whale and shark in the space 😂😂😂
But tejas is scrapped 🤣🤣
@@savageassassin5976 kuch bhi lodu ??
@@savageassassin5976 and east pakistan is also scrapped by Pakistan 😂😂😂
Road map timelines of Indigenous jets are very tight and HAL will certainly not meet it. So IAF can either allow the national security be compromised or feel the ants in the pant and procure 2nd batch of rafel and work on MMRCA on war footing to fill the minimum required squardens. Future planning can be done once today's requirement is fulfilled and IAF is comfortable for a 2front war. They have slept on the problem for long enough.
Bro now your intro is mind blowing
So sensible! Love the clear explanation and reasoning. Also love the way you clearly separate your opinion from fact. Very good.
Decision taken national interest
Nice Video 👍👍, What is time line to get all these indigenous Systems and the Practical Requitments w.r.t Current Scenario (China/Pak) Jai Hind 🇮🇳🙏
You have raised a very important issue; thanks for that.
India needs minimum 70 to 90 or better to say 100 fighter jets from international market. Our all the indigenous program are going to yeild after 2027 or 2030 and beyond.
China is a big threat and yes, they dont have any jet to counter Rafael, but they can definitely counter each Rafael by using three Su 35 copies and other Mig 21 copies.
Secondly, firing missiles are considered to be igniting full scale war. If anything happens at LAC, India will not be able to retaliate with missiles. For keeping the response balanced yet effective, they will have to use Aurforce.
Mig 29s are excellent dog fighter and can operate with ease within the Mountainous terrain, but then they have serious availability issue and number is also, quite low. Also, Su 30 MKI and Mig 29 electronic counter measures or jaming pods cannot be relied up on. Russia has been intentionally or unintentionally losing the trade kraft to Chinese. Also, Chinese have using similar systems in thier indigenous jets.
Another issue is that Navy has been extremely disappointed with Mig 29s. Every now and then they are losing their pilots. Bother reliability and serviceability are big time issue. They have been praising Mig 29s and claming that with the help of manufacturer the serviceability has been increased to 70 percent, but the fact is that it is more a misinformation for our enemies and also, limited numbers of jets have their frame in excellent condition.
Navy wanted to retire them by 2030s, but they have serious financial issues and thus they are going slow. They are more focused on acquiring Subs and at least 1 more aircraft carrier.
Airforce wanted to retire Mig 21 Bison batchwise from 2020 or 2021. Unfortunately they failed to do that because Tejas has been delayed. The power of Mig 29 is low and thus it cannot be upgraded with new electronics and radars. And they have been proving the adjective given "Flying Coffins".
Su 30 MKI: We wanted to get them upgraded for aometime now. I think we all have heard about the super Sukhoi program. Unfortunately, that too can be done to Jets manufactured in last 10 years. Jets older than 10 years, have frame issues. ie frame shelf life will be harmed significantly.
Jaguars, Mig 21s and Mirajs: They have already reached their retirement age. The way of fighting war has entiry shifted and our more than 70 percent of fleets lags behind or not built as per modern need.
Apart from all these existing issues, I have one very important logic:
No country will give their top of the line technology to anyone. If we start experimenting indigenously, then also we would require certain references of 4.5 or 5th generation jets, currenrly operational.
For getting cutting age Technologies, either India needs big pack of super IIT proffesionals or like every one else, we will have to steal it.
For Airforce: Best jet woyld be Rafael, because we already have spent enough money in creating supy chain, maintenance and other rafael centric requirements. Also, France will feel rewarded for standing with us. Thirdly, French technologies are not talked about much, but at or beyond par US amd Russian technologies.
Worlds best nuclear submarines are manufactured by France. Saffron will be forced to help us or become our partners for developing jet engines.
For Navy: Our Navy has been liking super hornets and recently they successfully performed ski jump take-off. So our P8 planes (anti sub) are manufactured by Boeing, basically we will be able to use same weapons in both planes. Our main sea warfare helicopters ie Romeo are also US made. Also, now Indian Navy need to keep operate with other Quad countries. All the quad nations are mainly using US equipments.
Syncing, communication in short Super Hornet will make us the part of Nato ecosyatems.
Basically, it would be extremely hazardous for India, if we fail to select and order 100 more jets by 2021.
Let me know if anyone feels otherwise or if I have made any mistake.
HAL is good , problem is MSMEs who are supplying components to HAL
Amrit Raj:
In today's world, everybody looks only at final outcomes. My MSME supplier is below par is not an acceptable excuse.
If a vendor was supplying you with 'spoilt' vegetables, would you continue with him - because he has children to feed??
HAL simply needs to pull up their socks. (Being a DPSU, they're able to get away with their slovenly ways to a great extent.)
DM bro you are right but42 squadrons ki requirements 1962 me thi .aaj china ke advanced fighters approx.800 maana jaaye pak ka 300 fighter strength approx.to 2 front war ke liye atleast 1100 fighters chahiye. Ya atleast 62 squadrons (18 jets per squadrons)woh bhi least possible time frame me.tejas production capacity 20 per year ki hai aur itna bada aerospace manufacturing Base nahin hai abhi to numbers ke liye foreign import +indegenous jets dono chahiye. Agar bhaarat me china jitna bada manufacturing Base hota to hum confidently keh sakte the ki rafale nahin chahiye par rafale threat paida karta hai tejas threat paida nahin karta.abhi aerospace sector me bhaarat ki shuruat hai Isiliye indegenous +72 rafale dono chahiye
Very very informative video. 👍❤
10th GENERATION aircraft JF17 we bow down to you 😲
Well you should as abinandan did xD
*100th generation
Agree with you 100%.
Maybe 36 more Rafales at the most. (Even upgrading them will prove very costly)
MRFA - combat aircraft from a foreign vendor is relevant, as HAL hasn't proved to be upto the mark and IAF is faced with an acute shortage of aircraft. But, not in the format of the earlier MMRCA 1.0.
Saab and Lockheed Martin would be given broad parameters for developing a 'hybrid' single-engine combat aircraft based on the Tejas Mk-2, the main guideline being - an aircraft that will remain relevant for the next 3 decades with low operational and life cycle costs.
This Gripen/Tejas Mk-2 hybrid or F-21/Tejas Mk-2 hybrid, would made by a SPV comprising ADA, an Indian partner or 2 and the selected foreign partner (Saab or Lockheed Martin). Govt. would offer the SPV part of HAL's Nashik production facility on lease.
This fighter would be powered by a purpose-built 120-150 kN wet thrust, variable cycle afterburning turbofan Eurojet engine, which will be built for the aircraft under licence in India.
This future aircraft will 𝗼𝗻𝗹𝘆 𝘂𝘀𝗲 an upgraded version of the quadruplex digital fly-by-wire Flight Control System (FCS) used in the Tejas Mk-1, with open-architecture software protocols that would allow it to be rapidly reconfigured and updated. 𝗔𝗯𝘀𝗼𝗹𝘂𝘁𝗲𝗹𝘆 𝗻𝗼 𝗳𝗼𝗿𝗲𝗶𝗴𝗻 𝘀𝗼𝗳𝘁𝘄𝗮𝗿𝗲 on board.
Ⓝⓞⓣⓔⓢ:
➀ a Su-75/Tejas Mk-2 hybrid could have been considered, but dealing with Sukhoi/Rosoboronexport comes with a lot of hassles, incl. production target slippages. Worse, Russia is not keen on developing a local supply chain or aeronautical infrastructure/ecosystem.
The most recent in their inability to bring down the import content of the Kamov Ka-226T helicopter. (They're so used to India as their 𝘮𝘪𝘭𝘤𝘩 𝘤𝘰𝘸)
➁ GoI will have to work out the aero engine deal with EuroJet Turbo GmbH (or some other engine manufacturer). A powerplant that'll comfortably be able to handle MTOW of around 20,000 kgs and also accomodate power requirements of future electronic upgrades
➂ incorrigible HAL can go on to making the 18 tandem-seat Mk-1 trainers and subsequently the 73 Mk-1As, at their own laggardly pace
➃ open architecture FCS would have to allow the fighter to receive more than one software update in a day. (If I recall correctly, Saab is planning something on these lines)
➄ while it is Saab that is likely to be more wholeheartedly involved in the project, Lockheed Martin has a wealth of aeronautical experience - across the board. But… 𝕃𝕄 𝕞𝕦𝕤𝕥 𝕓𝕖 𝕔𝕝𝕖𝕒𝕣𝕝𝕪 𝕥𝕠𝕝𝕕 𝕥𝕙𝕒𝕥 𝕨𝕖'𝕣𝕖 𝕟𝕠𝕥 𝕚𝕟𝕥𝕖𝕣𝕖𝕤𝕥𝕖𝕕 𝕚𝕟 𝕥𝕙𝕖 𝔽-𝟚𝟙 'with F-35 DNA'.
ಜೈ ಹಿಂದ್ .🚩
I am in love with this intro❤️
whats the name of the song in the intro?
AAP ki videos se Kabhi disappoint nahi hote
Being a Pakistani, I appreciate Defence Matrix unbias analysis of the PAF on his uploads. If i was to advice the IAF which appears to be significantly worried of its depleting squadrons, the sincerest advice would be to try setting up a TOT program with your allies such as France and develop a whole new platform in a 50/50 partnership. Learn from their extensive experience in aviation and move towards full indigenisation.
No bro we need more than 100 rafale's so that it could be a major deterance against china and Pakistan. Tejas mk 2 a long way we can not wait for it. And tejas mk 2 will not be capable like rafale
Mk2 is also a MWF and also 4.5+ gen. Why is it not capable?
Yogesh chaidary
It hasn't been created
@@yogeshchaudhary2093 First of all its still a concept while rafale is a battle proven aircraft. The f4 standard rafale would be even more capable
@@yogeshchaudhary2093 bcoz mk2 will take time to be a proven machine like Rafale
And we can't wait so long if we have neighbours like China and Pakistan
Wow! Guys, I wasn't expecting this but still, we were not going to buy more than 36 jets in MMRCA 2. But we needed 126, we all can see these numbers. These numbers are not satisfactory. We still are going to wait for the rest so why not wait for all, this is where I would like to point at.
अरे दादा, अभी तो हमारे पास aircraft कम होते जा रहे हैं। Two front war कैसे लड़ेंगे। HAL और DRDO की delivery performance बहुत ही खराब है। 36 राफेल और लेने दो। DRDO और HAL आजकल propoganda के अलावा कुछ नहीं कर रहे हैं।
साथ ही INS Vishal के वर्तमान status पर भी एक video बनाओ।🙏🙏
With the current situation , and With HAL and their delays , The Indian Airforce is paralyzed and Will be in a bigger crisis with the retirement of the Mig-21s.
The Administration should have signed the MMRCA 2 years ago . But we did what we do best , we fucked up the situation even more. China is about to roll out Junk Fighter Block-3 , and We still can't figure how many FOC, IOC , ETC we got and when we'll get that.
Very informative
Yes agree .
We need another 36 Rafale to complete our nuclear Triad.. electronic warfare other platforms can perform
Bhai pehli baar matter confusing laga ye topic bahut detail or complex hai but ur is also correct maybe dusre countries jinke pass variety hai fighter jets ki unse compre kiya jaye
Indigenous is best but time is a concern, Rafale F4 & F4M are mandatory in meeting falling squadron numbers & avillability (IAF&Navy). Next 10 year we have huge number of jets getting abosolute 324 jets (Mig21- 108 by 2023, Jaguar-120 by 2030, Mig29-66 by 2027, Mirrage -50 by 2030) . HAL even at 25/annum can replace (Tejas Mk1/2) only 250 jets, we are already short by 124 nos by considering replacement of grounded jets. This is excluding some of Heavy weight Su30Mki being grounded next 10 years. By 2030 Indian requirement of syadrons could be @ 50 instead of 42. HAL needs a 4th line 30jets/annum to get TEDBF, AMCA, CTAS, domestic passanger carrier planned under Udan Scheme, AWACS, Trainers, Drones,Heavy weight fighter jets etc. Start ramping indegneious capacity paralelly we ought to have Rafale M F4(M88E4 110Kn) & F4 Western border(M88E4).
In 10 year our grounded jets total could be over 350 & not 324. HAL would require 15 year just to replace them & other new projects could go for a toss
Bro Rafale is a tested platform and Tejas mk2 1st prototype is still not ready and fighter jets are urgent need of iaf,so we have to go with Rafale as France is a trusted partner ,also testing of Tejas mk2 take a long time when France do not questioned upgrade of Mirage why they will question on Rafale and if a country is getting a big export order of its fighter jets then they will say nothing so we should go with Rafale I am not in against of indiginisation but due to urgent need we have to buy some foreign fighters
Bhai ek time pe sabhi aircraft new he hote hai kbhi to acquire krna he padega.. Tabhi prooved platform banenge
@@manishkumarsingh8450 our Tejas is very capable but still we should cancel MMRCA and atleast we should go for more 36 rafales we because need them
Tejas mk2 is based on tejas mk 1 so it's already tested for a long time period that's why iaf is not building its prototype but ioc standards aircraft and if tejas do not get a chance then how could it proves it's worth in tejas Israel also helping
@@manishkumarsingh8450 bro I am not criticizing our Tejas after complete development it will be more dangerous than Rafale but fighter jets are our very urgent need and there is time in Tejas mk2
Also you all know production rate of hal
Sometimes I feel MiG 29 is quite underutilized. Before Su30Mki arrived and before it was converted to UPG standard it was India's sole air superiority fighter jet. Mirages are often used. From Kargil in 1999 to balakot in 2019. MiG 29 is quite a capable fighter jet in the medium weight category except that it too has a notoriously low servicibillity but hopefully it's improved now. Even the MiG 29 k,s the navy was innitially reluctant and have a lot of servicibillity issues. Someone was blaming India for low servicibillity for this should know that Mirages do not have the issue of low servicibillity.
Its India's fault that the Planes are not combat ready.
3 Things I would suggest MoD to implement to build a defence industrial ecosystem within the country-
1. The 7 New Government Owned Corporate Entities being formed out of the Ordinance Factory Board, their Board of Director Members must include members from all 3 Armed Forces as well to bring specialization.
2. List all the Defence Public Sector Units on Stock Exchange. Sell 25% of their shares in IPO just like we are doing with HAL. This will allow these organizations to borrow money from the Market as well. So it will help reduce Government's liability & increase transparency in the working of these companies.
3. Make it mandatory for every company to invest atleast 5% of their revenue earned from operations in a particular year on R&D in the next financial year. It will just be like the CSR law where audit will be held every year & the company will have to mention how much amount it spent on R&D & what innovations it could undertake. This will greatly enhance our innovation capability. It will be a big step in Research & Development of Defence platforms.
But I still say that if not 114,, then we must order atleast another 36 rafale aircrafts, this will bring some uniformity to the IAF, and 36 more makes sense too, as these bases only along with a bit infrastructure at Gwalior can certainly become home base for another two squadrons. But yes, MMRCA DOSENT MAKES SENSE NOW ! Simply because when the number 126 or 114 was thought, then there was only LCA which was almost scrapped, AMCA was at a very early stage, and there was no project called TEJAS MK2 and TEDBF.
Su30Mkm is better than Mki. Malayasia has some good techs there and a important Friend or Foe system. We did badly in red flag BVR with US because our plains did not recognize each other. Poor network centric warfare, we need to improve networking.
_I like new music of Defence Matrix, 80's music with vintage old tv set_
Agreeing to what matrix said but crying inside that no more rafale in IAF
Is he Defence minister?
Prime miniter?
Air chief marshall?
He is half knowledge guy, who is earning his bread on our views
so making bull shit vids..
use ur head brother.
Dont worry- u don't need to cry inside ur heart.
IAF will order a minimum of 36 more.
He even said that most probably IAF may order 36 more Rafales but further orders should be cancelled.
@@kanekiken2002 buying more dn 36 mote rafales will slowly turn from luxury to necessity.
Hal fails to produce good fighters at right time.
And iaf will have left no option either to get more rafales .
@@kanekiken2002 54/72 more required
IAF should focus on improving active stealth rather than structural stealth like the F35 as fighter aircrafts should have a high manoeuvreability when in a WVR battle when stealth is rendered useless. IAF should also get double the number of LCA Mk1As as these can replace the Jaguars in almost all areas like payload, twr, speed, service ceiling and now with a reduction in dead weight of 500kg even in the combat range aspect. The MK2 s can form the next 200 aircraft backbone as an almost 5th gen fighter.
@Kumar K:
"𝑰𝑨𝑭 𝒔𝒉𝒐𝒖𝒍𝒅 𝒂𝒍𝒔𝒐 𝒈𝒆𝒕 𝒅𝒐𝒖𝒃𝒍𝒆 𝒕𝒉𝒆 𝒏𝒖𝒎𝒃𝒆𝒓 𝒐𝒇 𝑳𝑪𝑨 𝑴𝒌-1𝑨𝒔" From where??? 🤔
The country has just one aircraft manufacturer, the annual output of which is 8 aircraft or fewer. 😆😆😆
As per HAL's schedule, it'll be 2029 by the time all 73 Mk-1As have been built. Since HAL is well known for production slippages, add another 2 years. (Retirement of MiG-21s and Jaguars will start in 2024. The IAF operates 107 heavily upgraded MiG-21 Bisons, with Auto pilot and new digital flight control system.) So, MRFA is probably the IAF's only option.
"𝑻𝒉𝒆 𝑴𝒌-𝟐𝒔 𝒄𝒂𝒏 𝒇𝒐𝒓𝒎 𝒕𝒉𝒆 𝒏𝒆𝒙𝒕 𝟐𝟎𝟎 𝒂𝒊𝒓𝒄𝒓𝒂𝒇𝒕 𝒃𝒂𝒄𝒌𝒃𝒐𝒏𝒆 𝒂𝒔 𝒂𝒏 𝒂𝒍𝒎𝒐𝒔𝒕 𝟓𝒕𝒉 𝒈𝒆𝒏 𝒇𝒊𝒈𝒉𝒕𝒆𝒓." 😆😆😆
If IAF depends of HAL, they'll get the Tejas Mk-2s only by the end of the century. And… FYI, there's nothing "almost 5th-gen" about the Tejas Mk-2.
Note:
𝕁𝕦𝕤𝕥 𝕥𝕙𝕖 𝕣𝕖𝕥𝕚𝕣𝕖𝕞𝕖𝕟𝕥 𝕠𝕗 𝕥𝕙𝕖 𝟙𝟙𝟘-𝕠𝕕𝕕 𝕁𝕒𝕘𝕦𝕒𝕣𝕤 𝕨𝕠𝕦𝕝𝕕 𝕔𝕣𝕖𝕒𝕥𝕖 𝕒 𝟞 𝕤𝕢𝕦𝕒𝕕𝕣𝕠𝕟 𝕘𝕒𝕡 𝕚𝕟 𝕥𝕙𝕖 𝕀𝔸𝔽'𝕤 𝕔𝕠𝕞𝕓𝕒𝕥 𝕗𝕝𝕖𝕖𝕥. It would also render fruitless the sophisticated avionics upgrades that HAL carried out to its mission systems, making it a far more potent and accurate fighter-bomber than when it first came to India. The aircraft has a speed of 1700 km/h and has a range of 3524 kms.
In 4 years of exploratory talks between the IAF and Rolls-Royce, the cost of refurbishing the old Adour 804/811 engines with Adour 871 parts has not yet been discussed. The cost of replacing the Jaguars would be $20 billion-$30 billion.
Is electronics avillable of the shelf??? World is having shortage of electronic components , auto industry is literally stopping lines for want of electronics. 5G chips & components for 5G infra are globally short & waiting periods are in months not weeks now. Imagine just electronic updates on existing or old fighters. It would be better betting against HAL Tejas delayed deliveries over just electronics updates 😀. French has better purchase/bargaining power over HAL. A Rafale F4 line would help India meet short fall(MMRC 2.0 & Naval fighter) of 124 jets considering only replacement of jets grounded by 2030 excluding Heavy weight fighter Su30MKI being grounded in next 10 years. With Rafale line in India ecosystem of aerospace, technology, manpower skill will all ramp up in less than 10 years to make India a global aerospace manufacturing hub.
That's cringe.
Tea is fantastic sir
The most important issue right now is the dwindled squadron strength.
Many years back our AirForce chiefs had asked for 60 squadrons to counter the joint Sinopak threat. Why has DOD reduced this to 42 squadrons ? By stopping the MMRCA program, we are putting the lives of our pilots at risk and possibly the territory of our country. We need 5-6 squadrons of MMRCA urgently.
good morning and jai hind , love to see factual video u make my knowledge about defence increases and helping SSB interviews.
I would still feel French r quite supportive and we could lock in additional 36 Rafael's with F4 upgrade locked in now itslef and future EW suite, while we then scrap MMRCA 2.0 and expedite Tejas lines Super Sukhoi upgrade et al, Jai Hind 🇮🇳
@paresh1411:
Of course the French r "quite supportive", but that's not because the love Indians.
There's a world of a difference between "𝗾𝘂𝗶𝘁𝗲 𝘀𝘂𝗽𝗽𝗼𝗿𝘁𝗶𝘃𝗲" and "𝗳𝘂𝗹𝗹𝘆 𝘀𝘂𝗽𝗽𝗼𝗿𝘁𝗶𝘃𝗲". That's why Safran in spite of initially making all the right noises, refused to part with the technology necessary to improve the thrust of the 𝘒𝘢𝘷𝘦𝘳𝘪 GTX-35VS engine. 𝗗𝗼𝗻'𝘁 𝗳𝗼𝗿𝗴𝗲𝘁 𝘁𝗵𝗮𝘁 𝘄𝗵𝗶𝗹𝗲 𝗹𝗮𝘂𝗱𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗙𝗿𝗲𝗻𝗰𝗵. And, no country has bought 36 Rafales as yet.
@@le_ecrivaine maybe slight correction there, Egypt have been buying them even more over SU 35 they were planning to so.....
Problem of IAF is its depleting strength of aircrafts. With present aircrafts we can't even fight a single front war. So it is necessary that we buy some aircrafts and make some aircrafts in house. Buying Rafels would be a good option as IAF is already flying them and happy with its performance. Thanx. Jai Hind.
@@ay6401 😂😂😂😂😂
All of them will soon be retiring. Jaguars are underpowered by 20%. MiG 21 are killing IAF pilots better than any enemy ever can , Mirage is also getting old. Its not going well for IAF
Please watch the video completely, nobody is denying purchasing of More Rafale or MMRCA aircraft, but we must make sure, we have the flexibility of putting our system, weapons onboard and we get support of OEM in upgrading them in future with what we want in future.
@@DefenceMatrix Yes, true. That is why I say that we must buy and make both simultaneously. Unless we buy in sufficient quantities problem of paucity of aircrafts will not be solved. Thanx.
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Eagerly awaiting for our SWIFT UAV, Tejas MkII MWF, TEDBF, AMCA, and the brilliant. CATS system. 🔥🔥🔥🔥
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@@teju1245 good😁
Another 36 Rafales r needed for replacement of 69 Jaguars.Jaguars will be headache in future for its maintainance.Also,they should be retired many years ago.HAL is just a liability on Govt,their production rate is slower than tortoise.They will cost India a huge price someday,till that day we will defend them.HAL is like the train which reached the platform overloaded and dirty condition with 2 hours delay.But now Railway is also making too much progress.OFB's guns r of 1960's design with no future,their employees r just behaving like LIC agents who r just happy in life,Baki desh Jaye gaddhe main.
जय हिंद. I am more than Happy, about DRDO's performance and rapid out put.
Where is the output?
IAF, MOD must give repeat order of 36 - 48 no of Rafales.
LCA MK 1 A order should be increased from, 83 no to 120 no. Mk 2 must be ordered in large quantities like 300+.
@mandar P:
Great idea.
IAF, MoD must give repeat order of 36 aircraft - in perpetuity. That is: when 36 aircraft are fully delivered, order for the next 36 must automatically kick in. 😜
And, since want it in the shortest possible time, HAL is out of question.
If not a 4 assembly line of HAL India ought to have a Aerospace consortium which can produce 30Jets/planes per annum to meet short falls of 2030. If not forget exports of indegneious aerospace products. This is where Rafale F4 line In India can help us exports & indegneiousiation by redusing stress on HAL for deliveries
But still we should order more 36 Rafale,, it should be our last foreign jets
H2 stealth bomber China ka final stage testing me hai,jo US ke B2 bomber ka copy hai, please es par video banay.
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Considering the lack of squadrons on our side, we should go for another 36 Rafale. We can't trust our PSU for timely delivery of Tejas fighter. Expect delays in Tejas delivery in upcoming days since employee unions are going for strike against corporatisation. Such issues cause delay in our projects and so better to get additional Rafale so we are not critically dependent on Tejas program.
Innovative idea !! This thought is out of the box. 🙌🙇♂️😊🙏
You are completely right. But one thing we have to understand that partial indigenisation will not Surve the purpose. Even some small component of foreign origin can also fail the entire equipment or leak the critical information like radio frequency location etc to foreign supplier. If that foreign supplier is your adversary or hard core ally of adversary then it may lead to strategic disaster. Before Gulf War Iraq gwas having one of the largest and potent modern airforce of that time. But it failed due to above mentioned reason. That’s the reason that France and Russia nowadays China also prefer a complete indigenous weapon not a partial one. Partially indigenous weapons are almost like imported ones. And most of our so called indigenous fighter jet partially indigenous only. This platforms can fail if America or the other western supplier turns adversary because of any reason like human rights violation or arm embargo because of long-range missile test nuclear test etc. we have to acknowledge the fact that India is a country always struggling with many internal issues. Any point of times security forces have to one or other way have to raise weapons against miscreant elements. Today our relation is very good with western world. But they have track record of imposing sanctions or turning military adversary if your policy is not in line with their expectations. So until we can completely indigenise our key weapon systems and have strategic independence, we need to keep mix sources of our weapons I.E American, european and Russian.
Bharat Tejas mk1 Samosa Mk2 Big Samose me Dihaan De
apni chinta kare aap ne jo chinese kachda le rakha hai usper time se kapda marte rahe.
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Jai hind, not disappointed, right , agreed
In recent time defense analysts suggests to increase IAF squadron to 45 from 42 squadrons. But bitter truth we are falling from 30 to below.
@Yogesh Thakur:
Self proclaimed "defence analysts" can talk any nonsense. Most of them don't have military training. Even if he has, a person with 20 years of Army experience cannot make an entirely accurate assessment of the IAF's requirement or maybe even of artillery requirements.
If someone tomorrow says 50, will everyone be wondering how to attain air fleet strength of 50 squadrons???
This "42 squadrons" requirement was arrived at decades ago when we had fighter jets like the MiG-21s, which were followed by newer variable-geometry MiG-23s and MiG-27s. (Of course, we still have the MiG-21s, but the other 2 have been retired.)
If we still need 42 squadrons, then the 'equations'
𝟭 𝗠𝗶𝗚-𝟮𝟭 = 𝟭 𝗠𝗶𝗚-𝟮𝟵𝗨𝗣𝗚,
𝟭 𝗠𝗶𝗚-𝟮𝟭 = 𝟭 𝗦𝘂-𝟯𝟬𝗠𝗞𝗜 and
𝟭 𝗠𝗶𝗚-𝟮𝟭 = 𝟭 𝗥𝗮𝗳𝗮𝗹𝗲 𝗙𝟯-𝗥 with ISE
must hold true.
Is the MiG-21 (or MiG-23/MiG-27) as capable as the Su-30MKI or Rafale F3-R?? 🤔
@@le_ecrivaine we need basic I Q to understand this, 42 or 45 squadrons are need of IAF stated by them directly or indirectly. 1 squadron = 18+ jets. Migs & other are old, newest jet is Rafale and Tejas, Su 30 is 20yr old. Air Force need jets to do work!!
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I think in current situation , IAF should go for 36-54 additional Rafale (because losing the technology advantage gained by current 36 Rafale in this region by number game , would not be a good decision) , and nearly 200-300 Tejas Mk-1A by 2030 (So that to increase the production capacity of HAL) .
Nearly 400-500 Tejas Mk-2 , 150-250 ORCA by 2040 .
And nearly 350-450 AMCA Mk-1/2 by 2045 .
Doing this would be best move for IAF .
@Arpit Raj:
To save people like you the trouble of having to repeatedly write comments exhorting purchase of the Rafale, govt. must give repeat order of 36 aircraft - in perpetuity. That is: when 36 aircraft are fully delivered, order for the next 36 must automatically kick in.
And, since want it in the shortest possible time, production at HAL is out of question. (They're struggling even to make Tejas Mk-1s.)
Problem is, Indian companies consumes lot of time in manufacturing so there are two ways either suffer shortages or buy foreign platforms to meet out shortages.
Question is about timely delivery of ordered aircraft , if it is in time possible enough, then we should totally rely on Tejas Mk II, otherwise we should purchase around 40 no rafale f4, and simultaneously we have to focus on upgrade of SU-30 MKI into super sukhoi, but after watching the vedio completely , I would suggest that We cannot rely on foreign components for building our platform, we should build our own platform with our components so that we Can make changes quickly to our equipments accordingly, as per the future requirements, because the world is growing very fast and we are lagging behind. The ultimate question is about the timely delivery of equipments from ADA, HAL and DRDO
15000 feet with aesa radar speed 1.8 vs 20000 feet aesa radar with high manu speed 2.4..... which is better?
I think IAF should go for 36-54 additional Rafale (because losing the technology advantage gained by current 36 Rafale in this region by number game , would not be a good decision) , and nearly 200-300 Tejas Mk-1A by 2030 (So that to increase the production capacity of HAL) .
Nearly 400-500 Tejas Mk-2 , 150-250 ORCA by 2040 .
And nearly 350-450 AMCA Mk-1/2 by 2045 .
Doing this would be best move for IAF .
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jitna catchy thumbnail hoga utne log aayenge. simple as that.
Kya 150 par petrol lene se kitne mahino me 36 rafale aa jayenge??? Any idea
There was some news about Greek Rafales might have indian Brahmos. If Greeks are given go ahead by France, we might have a chance to integrate Brahmos on our own Rafales.
Still, we are stuck and are behind in terms of thinking. What we should have instead is an squadron of drones. An engagement with China may not be driven by heavy aircrafts.
Why are they making Tejas MK2 as 4th generation instead of 5th ?
You have changed your opinion
So , would it make sense if we upgrade our Sukhois with indigenous engine, Aesa radar & weapons package?
The aircraft will be less maneuverable but will have superior avionics & weapons package.
@sayantan ghosh:
Yes, of course it would.
The latter two, HAL will go ahead with. But, 𝘄𝗵𝗲𝗿𝗲 𝗶𝘀 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗶𝗻𝗱𝗶𝗴𝗲𝗻𝗼𝘂𝘀 𝗲𝗻𝗴𝗶𝗻𝗲??? 🤔
Any updates on the order made to Russia for Mig29 and Su30mki ?
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Great work men.you should make an video on star missile
France will upgrade rafale to f5 standard which is really advanced, and if we buy 114 we can make some of it in India,and I also heard france may allow astra missile to be added
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Mmrca 2deal final Rafael f5
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