For passers-by, please, do not let the 2h14m length of this discussion deter you. This is Penrose at his best. Penrose patiently and with a child-like joy deconstructs/explains difficult ideas and theories as well as he shares with us numerous glimpses of the histories behind these ideas and theories. Priceless talk. Huge thank you to Oxford Mathematics for hosting and sharing this. 🌸
Total and utter nonsense, as long as you know theories aren’t fact, just thoughts and nothing based on our objective reality, axioms built with mathematics which is a formal science which is a language and with languages you can tell lies The heliocentric Big Bang evolutionary cosmology is utter nonsense
This Nobel prize was awarded on his 1965 work, referred to as the *Penrose diagram* or more precisely a spacetime mapping in proximity to a singularity. There's no doubt that his mathematics is impeccable, but this should be about physics not mathematics. Consider this, All his work is imaginary, an invention of a mathematical mind, now the question becomes, is it real? *Has anybody been able to measure these physical effects? If not, then, it is not physics!* Because in physics "no phenomena is a real phenomenon until it is an observed phenomenon." This Nobel prize is based on an assumption that a singularity does really exist. All of it, is Based on the assumed existence of a singularity and yet it has been acknowledged that the physics of the singularity is unknown. The following is an extract of a definition (2015). 'A *Singularity* in physics; usually refers to a point of infinity, and thus *is not-well-defined point.* In other words, physics breaks down at a singularity (we cannot describe it with our known physical laws - infinite mass or infinite energy is not something we expect from our nature).' In summary, Penrose description is only a mental exercise, none of these claimed phenomena (i.e. end of spacetime) has been measured in reality. *This Nobel prize should have never been awarded for physics.*
Brilliant lecture. What is not shown here is the _future light cone_ of all those inpired by Roger Penrose as a teacher or tutor, and those who benefited from his visual way of thinking. The insights about Gödel and conscience in the final exchanges with Melvyn Bragg reveal the very great breadth of his thinking. I believe that the prize was supremely well-deserved.
Thank you to all three participants for an excellent session. To get something so accessible on such complex topics was a real treat. And congratulations again to Sir Roger for his justly deserved Nobel Prize. What took them so long?
@Hugh Evans - “What took them so long?” They were waiting for unambiguous proof of black hole existence, IMO. That proof was provided by the Event Horizon Telescope in 2019.
I always love listening to Roger in all his various endeavors. Such an amazing ability to pursue a very diverse set of topics. I remember reading "The Emperor's New Mind" when it was published. And it was 15-20 years after that before I found out he has explored so many other topics that I find very interesting. It's great that we have so many interviews with him which are available on a platform such as youtube.
What no one seems to mention is that the singularity debate was a mathematical debate about GR, it was not a debate about physics (though most people thought it was). Now that black holes have been observed people think it has become physics, but I think they are still wrong, the existence of a singularity is still a mathematical debate, a debate between different models of physics, not all of which are _our_ physics, which makes it a mathematical debate. That's because we cannot send probes into a black hole to confirm the existence of an actual singularity, and we probably never will be able to do such experiments, and what cannot be observed must remain a mathematical curiosity. The trapped surface on the other hand _is_ a physics question, such surfaces can be observed. There is a physical question about whether or not spacetime collapses into an actual singularity, which models like string theory attempt to answer (negatively), but it cannot be answered by a theory, we'd only know a putative theory is correct once we get the evidence of whether singularities exist or not. Put another way, suppose we think theory "A" describes our actual physics, and predicts no singularity, then we figure out some way to probe inside black holes and find there is a singularity, it doesn't get smoothed out by quantum effects let's say. Then we'd say our belief in theory "A" was a mistake.
I still find it hard to understand how we can have infinite density/mass etc..So within a black hole, there might just be mass crushed to such high densities that it creates the black hole.. meaning that there is something physical at the centre. PS I am not a scientist in any way shape or form so anything I say is just my own thoughts and probably wrong!
I have just finished the first 36:45 of this video - the introduction. It is brilliant; I consider it fundamentally important to understand what will follow from Sir Roger Penrose. From a History of Science perspective, this introduction describes General Relativity between 1915 and 1965 - it should not be overlooked for its importance. Congratulations Professor Lehmkohl. Now onto the Penrose Lecture; I am excited.
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@@chraffis I did actually lol but alot of it went straight over my head lol ;;--;; I'll give it another shot watching and re-watching until I get it but definitely not right now since my exams are going on but this Sunday probably. It was mostly the fact that I couldn't keep track of what he was saying that I found to go over me really
36 minutes and the introduction is done. Now I really have to pause for breakfast because my stomach is complaining. Back in a few minutes to hear Sir Roger. He edited Nature for so long - how is it that nobody I know has heard of him, even after his elevation to Nobel Laureate?
So he seems to have found proof for the cyclic universe, i heard him talking about it for a long time. Imagine theorizing about something unimaginable like that, and finding remnants of that theory in our universe, amazing guy 😎. His theory on the quantum nature of the brain is also highly interesting.
Interesting fact; 1:09 he said "as Sherlock Holmes once said..." it was not Sherlock, but the author, Sir Arthur Connan Doyle, it's amazing that people remember the creation, but forgot the creator.
Could the singularity instead of being a point with zero volume be a region of extremely dense matter causing extreme gravitational distortion and having volume that could eliminate the infinite gravity singularity theory ?
Question. Could the “cone” of the singularity exist previously to the singularity photon energy entering? Also, say that this is true. Then say a high energy laser is to hit the bottom of the cone aka. C3 surface but, the ring of that surface could project/focus the laser back or is the light being spread evenly around the ring and traveling back out the singularity cone’s outter edged ?
I love the comparison of gravity and entropy. It fits perfectly with my theories and papers on the symbolic Language of the cosmos. Of which, our brains are an echo. The concept of the Logosecho means that patterns are reflected in many ways across scales. Like Joseph Campbells “Hero with 1000 faces” in the stories of humans. I have taught myself to read it by distilling the essences of the language being used at many levels. Symbols are how a recursive universe is able to use information feedback to build itself. That’s basically the theory I have been working on all my life and people like Roger Penrose have been working on too -whether they knew it or not. Therefore I know what gravity is. It’s meaning seen from the other direction in time. A physical representation of it. A memory system of the future because the universe is very much like a graphical user interface. The now contains future and past-perfectly modeled for us by the fact of evolution and DNA. An organism represents the state of a process and a way to the future by recursive selection meaning. A singularity. Therefore the structures and patterns of life portray the secrets of the universe as a poem or allegory. We can see by this that what makes us conscious is the same thing that puts a singularity outside the spacetime universe. What is in the macrocosm is reflected here on Earth in me. In a human brain. The universe is a living thing which uses symbols as a way to navigate infinity via a spacetime interface. We are it’s parallel processing units. As well as being universes in ourselves. I figured Roger would want to know what he has been working on-although I am sure that at some level he has suspected this. 🥰 It shouldn’t be surprising that black holes and brains are completely related. One is a singularity of matter and gravity and the other is from the other direction in us as meaning. Meaning is the gravity of consciousness. Since the universe is symbolic and the only reality is actually consciousness, when we transition to realize this is when we “ascend” to heaven so to speak. Loved this talk. Self-reproducing indeed. 🤔🌈👍🏻 Please cite my work if you quote this: You can use this citation: Concrete Evidence that Consciousness Originates in a Factor Beyond Known Physics and Known Natural Laws: Meaning as a “lens” to See this Universal and Primary Force at Work. By Steven E Romer -abstracts of the “Toward a Science of Consciousness” conference at the University of Arizona, Tucson, April 8-12 2002. Abstract 289 I have a bunch of other papers and a book I wrote but that paper is the most relevant and it was extremely predictive and proposed a new hybrid revolutionary experimental methodology which I presented a lot of evidence using. Later other researchers independently reproduced my results and hierarchical organization of the relevant information and showed it to be some of the most staggeringly significant results in the history of science. This is kinda like the “Big Bang” of humans finally understanding the true nature of the vaunted “information universe” and how and why humans exist and what life is. I can’t even articulate properly how much I love this man. ❤️❤️❤️👁 Love the Penrose tiles too. Geometry was always a favorite of mine too. ❤️ And the evidence of previous or other universes is spread out all around us under the veil of spacetime and the physical manifestations of the shapes (geometry) of symbols. It’s literally everywhere. Like the periodic table or the Rosetta Stone, once you get the alphabet and words, it becomes obvious to anyone what the language says. The purpose? It’s obviously a teaching machine. You are welcome. You definitely did it right. 😝😂 Yes, there are truths beyond the procedures. 😊 I.e. the universe... well said! I would love to talk with Roger Penrose. I talked with Kip Thorne but he didn’t understand what I was saying. 🤷♀️ I think Roger would. Roger that! 😝 The title of this primitive (earlier) paper from 20 years ago is echoed in the end of this talk. Beyond Physics. Beyond computation. I have fully developed the theory now into a beautiful predictive engine. Roger I want to meet you and then you would not be afraid. You should know and I would like to play the role of Perceival for you sir Roger. There’s a place for the machines. I will tell you what it is. But I am not saying it in public. People would think that I was crazy. But you will know. You will understand. I feel like I owe you that. If anyone reading this knows Roger Penrose personally, and he has not seen it already, show him this. I thank you in advance. I will send copies of the paper to anyone who requests it free. Well, let’s say to the first 10 people. Then I will also hand write some pretty eye-opening things as a bonus. 🥰🤷♀️
There is no doubt that we live on Klein bottle topology with surface(cos(u/2)cos(v/2),cos(u/2)sin(v/2),sin(u)/2) 0>u>2pi, 0>v>2pi This use of only 2pi, what should be a full rotation, points out that this is a one sided surface and therefore that every motion in matter side has it's reciprocal instantly and immediately on "other" side of surface, since in fact they are the same surface. This is why electron half spin, one orbit expressed on this side and one orbit internalized on other side as positron. maintaining conservation. Each neutron which contacts event horizon becomes the vacuum energy for a single planck second and then re-emerges in lowest energy points of space, in a way drawn there by the low energy density, sucked there. The neutrons having been accelerated to near c by the gravity OF event horizon travel 14ish relativistic light minutes and then decay into amorphous atomic hydrogen. This decay process includes a volume increase {energy density decrease} of 10^43 times. Fine tuning. Dark energy expansion. Lambda. The amorphous atomic hydrogen doesn't have stable orbital electron and thus can't absorb or emit photons. Dark matter. In time things settle down, electrons stabilize and the hydrogen can interact photonically. It then follows usual evolution path, gas, nebula, proto star, star, until in distant future that neutron is once again at edge of event horizon. The universe is steady state. Time is infinitesimal but the universe is eternal. Neutron decay cosmology is inevitable. assets.adobe.com/public/176dd4ea-7dcf-4f46-450c-3b49332a4257#
when i was a kid asking my dad about the universe he would often reply it's the theory of the bigger bucket. i never pressed him on what he meant but if the buckets were conformal and scale invariant which the words 'bigger bucket' certainly seem to imply, he might just have been right!
Wow, he is 90 yo, and still that strong and sharp. Very impressed ! To the first speaker, so far I haven't seen a substantive mechanism illustrating how gravity works 😂
O no ...than i hope it never happens concious in a device . Just thinking befire that ...i hope SIR PENROSE can reach 150 years i this condition ..he the most clever and wise man to date !! I guess he can start , a master degre filosify ...in like 2 months ☆☆☆☆☆ SUCH A HUGH FAN of SIR Penrose , Cencere greetings , From a guy wishingbi ever had him as a proffesor !!♡ Johny geerts
It is difficult to see the story in terms of how all the mass lost in the evaporation of black holes turning up again as leptons even if protons never decay to give the universe an overall steady state. The universe in the CMB is supposed to still be full of hydrogen and helium atoms that presumably will either be swallowed by black holes going forward or get ripped apart by the expansion of universe. Is Penrose saying that dark matter particles of plank mass recreates all these additional laptons through decay? But then where in the cycle and how do they get created in the cycle? The conformal part is still difficult to get one's head around. Which parts are of same shape and proportional dimensions but different sizes. The particles or the whole universe? And where is the Higg's field? Does that change to change the mass of particles? Does this rule out the problem of matter and antimatter as well? It there is no beginning or end then there is no creation of equal number matter and antimatter. What happens in the boundary between to eans? What does he mean by inflation before and not after the boundry? What kind of inflation and how? Surely not the expansion of universe faster than speed of light. Just because there are observational evidence these questions don't go away. There seems to be a lot of details still left to explain.
I wonder if the Universe has something like DNA that is passed onto the next Universe. Then as Universe's come & go [live & die], maybe they evolve as other life evolves. I can imagine previous Universe's containing less forces etc & there being many gradual evolutions occurring that has made the Universe we live in today, as full as it is now.
Dear Roger, "Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition" Spacetime Singularities - to be or not to be? Fiat Lux - "Be light made." Science in action - Heb. 11.1-3
The episodic speculations are what slow down European perception of reality. Mathematics dictates that whatever intergrates must differentiate. This means that any singularity is actually a balanced oscillation of time that stands still but is also moving or objects at rest and in motion at the same time, within a given space. So the singularity is actually a duality of time from the unknown universe to the known universe.
Energy world based on density difference. How to proof energy can form particals will give out the singularity as in the center of the density area of energy.
1. "Singularity", just like "event horizon" are just names. Renaming one for another doesn't change anything. 2. Everything else concerning the "central singularity" does not make sense investigating until a quantum gravity is fully described and incorporated into GM or any other "theory of everything". So what is the point asking if singularity actually exists? We just don't know.
~26:00 He says (while paraphrasing an earlier researcher's comments) that an observer INSIDE the Schwarzchild(sp?) radius can never observe what is going on OUTSIDE the Schwarzchild radius. That doesn't sound right. Stuff falls into a black hole. Including things like light, and spacecraft, for instance ... Oh, wait a minute, does that involve being pulled toward the singularity at some speed such that light from stuff that came in after you can't catch up with you? Does LIGHT travel faster than the speed of light INSIDE a black hole? I've seen videos of reproductions of what someone passing into a black hole is supposed to be able to see, and these were videos made by folks that got the science right. I know they showed the person seeing stars outside. Something about them seeing the entire future of the universe while in there. Which might make sense if your own clock slowed down to an infinitesimal rate, or stopped, but the outside world's clock didn't... Confused!!!
If the universe is infinitely big does it make us infinitely small to the universe? If were infinitely small do we really exist? Or we really are a simulation, a hologram, a dream?
"Energy and frequency are equivalent (dual)" -- Roger Penrose on the Max Planck equation. Energy is dual to mass -- Einstein. Certainty is dual to uncertainty -- the Heisenberg certainty/uncertainty principle. The observed (singularities, points) is dual to the observer -- David Bohm. Mind (the internal soul, syntropy) is dual to matter (the external soul, entropy) -- Descartes. Internal is dual to external. Singularities or points require external observers, any singularity or point requires an external or dual observer to exist -- Black holes require conscious observers to exist, duality, singularities are inherently dual. Positive curvature is dual to negative curvature -- Gauss, Riemann geometry. The infinite positive curvature singularity is dual to the infinite negative curvature singularity -- the one cannot exist without the other. "Always two there are" -- the Yoda metaphysic. The big bang is a Janus hole/point (two faces = duality) -- Julian Barbour, physicist. Topological holes cannot be shrunk down to zero. Concepts are dual to percepts -- the mind duality of Immanuel Kant.
@@ivocanevo Here is some more:- Randomness (entropy) is dual to order (syntropy, predictability). There is a 4th law of thermodynamics which you may not be aware of. Syntropy (prediction) is dual to increasing entropy -- the 4th law of thermodynamics. Immanuel Kant had a "mind duality" and this has not been acknowledged by the scientific community, this means everyone has a thought or mind duality. The conservation of duality (energy) will be known as the 5th law of thermodynamics, energy is duality, duality is energy. Gravitation is equivalent or dual to acceleration -- Einstein's happiest thought, the principle of equivalence (duality). Energy is dual to mass -- Einstein. Dark energy is dual to dark matter. Potential energy is dual to kinetic energy, gravitational energy is dual. Apples fall to the ground because they are conserving duality. Action is dual to reaction -- Sir Isaac Newton. Space is dual to time -- Einstein. Electro is dual to magnetic -- Maxwell's equations. Positive charge is dual to negative charge -- electric fields. North poles are dual to south poles -- magnetic fields. Electro-magnetic energy is therefore dual -- waves are dual to particles -- quantum duality. There is a pattern of duality hardwired into the physics & philosophy and also mathematics. "Always two there are" -- Yoda.
@@ivocanevo Symmetric wave functions (Bosons) are dual to anti-symmetric wave functions (Fermions). Symmetry is dual to anti-symmetry Waves (Bosons, force carriers) are dual to particles (Fermions) -- quantum duality. Symmetry is dual to conservation -- the duality of Noether's theorem. Einstein's theory of General Relativity is built on top of Noether's theorem. Homology is dual to co-homology. Points are dual to lines, the principle of duality in geometry. You should take "Vogon" poetry very seriously as it works, duality is a pattern hardwired into the physics, mathematics, philosophy, biology etc. Parts are dual to wholes -- holons. Biological cells represent parts of organs (kidney, liver, heart etc.) whilst at the same time they are wholes as they can live independently. cells are dual. Patterns lead to optimized predictions or syntropy. Syntropy (prediction) is dual to increasing entropy -- the 4th law of thermodynamics. "Always two there are" -- Yoda.
can we avoid singularities in a simoutaneously expanding and contratcting universe... i think so becuase the zero point will be the result of the balance of oposing vectors as it is with the spin of entangled particles so does space and time separetly can go forward or backward...see my humble paper on figshare ( speed of expansion of the universe 2 ( a bit of mathmatical fantasy)
The definition of a human mind to realize it's selfless ness towards other's.changes in thoughts changes reality .Funny human's underestimate there value of entanglements of the Galaxy in side them.
Apply Machian idea. The inside of every black hole is this universe. Conservation is maintained in all ways. The Inversion of the circle is the model that fits.
When did he win the nobel prize for this? I've had the ideas he conveys in this video for roughly ten years... minus the primitive double cone pictures he's drawn... The actual shape is a really a hypersphere...
That shape is based on a 2d graph using 3 dimensions then refitted to 2d for visual purposes. It's not the shape of the universe. He's technically correct with his cones. You can't travel faster than the speed of light to leave your cone in your particular time direction. Tbh I don't love them either but I can't find fault with them at all.
So, what if the reason that light has never escaped a black hole is because light has never entered one. Think, A black hole could be just an effect of an accumulation of matter. A point in space converged upon by forces that create an area of pure density and zero matter comparable to the total mass of the collection of matter. Like water around a rock, light flows around the black hole. nice? Effectively if a it takes a certain amount of matter to create a void in space with no other attributes but density; this could be used as a single unit of density in relation to all other measurements of density in all other points of space/time. This allow you to use a this pure density as a unit of density and subtract this from any other occupied point in space to generate a negative number denoting density in a point in space.
We can imagine a new type of singularity resulting from a mental process in which one parameter increases, while another decreases. We would reach a critical limit in which the collapse of the system would lead to a singularity, where the infinite component could be the information coming from the absolute threshold of consciousness.
@@aurelienyonrac There are more than ONE level of consciousness (UP). The neurologists of Sussex Univ. had demonstrate so. And Prof. Fred Alan Wolf admits the hipotesis of the ultimate level of consciousness: The Superior Consc.!!
schwartzschild "accident of history"... yeah, sure. what about "des cartes", "cor eolis", "ne-ander"-thal and all the others... some names really bug me
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For passers-by, please, do not let the 2h14m length of this discussion deter you. This is Penrose at his best. Penrose patiently and with a child-like joy deconstructs/explains difficult ideas and theories as well as he shares with us numerous glimpses of the histories behind these ideas and theories. Priceless talk. Huge thank you to Oxford Mathematics for hosting and sharing this. 🌸
Total and utter nonsense, as long as you know theories aren’t fact, just thoughts and nothing based on our objective reality, axioms built with mathematics which is a formal science which is a language and with languages you can tell lies
The heliocentric Big Bang evolutionary cosmology is utter nonsense
@@andrewcalvert2801 lol, "heliocentric big bang"
@@andrewcalvert2801 it is evident that you don't understand mathematics
@@alexandros6433 please enlighten me🙄
This Nobel prize was awarded on his 1965 work, referred to as the *Penrose diagram* or more precisely a spacetime mapping in proximity to a singularity. There's no doubt that his mathematics is impeccable, but this should be about physics not mathematics. Consider this, All his work is imaginary, an invention of a mathematical mind, now the question becomes, is it real? *Has anybody been able to measure these physical effects? If not, then, it is not physics!* Because in physics "no phenomena is a real phenomenon until it is an observed phenomenon." This Nobel prize is based on an assumption that a singularity does really exist. All of it, is Based on the assumed existence of a singularity and yet it has been acknowledged that the physics of the singularity is unknown.
The following is an extract of a definition (2015).
'A *Singularity* in physics; usually refers to a point of infinity, and thus *is not-well-defined point.* In other words, physics breaks down at a singularity (we cannot describe it with our known physical laws - infinite mass or infinite energy is not something we expect from our nature).'
In summary, Penrose description is only a mental exercise, none of these claimed phenomena (i.e. end of spacetime) has been measured in reality.
*This Nobel prize should have never been awarded for physics.*
A quite remarkable mind, and yet modest and unassuming. May he delight us for many more years.
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Brilliant lecture. What is not shown here is the _future light cone_ of all those inpired by Roger Penrose as a teacher or tutor, and those who benefited from his visual way of thinking. The insights about Gödel and conscience in the final exchanges with Melvyn Bragg reveal the very great breadth of his thinking. I believe that the prize was supremely well-deserved.
Thank you to all three participants for an excellent session. To get something so accessible on such complex topics was a real treat. And congratulations again to Sir Roger for his justly deserved Nobel Prize. What took them so long?
@Hugh Evans - “What took them so long?” They were waiting for unambiguous proof of black hole existence, IMO. That proof was provided by the Event Horizon Telescope in 2019.
Our eastern people would never get their deserved nobel prizes , untill the west stops this bias against us
I always love listening to Roger in all his various endeavors. Such an amazing ability to pursue a very diverse set of topics. I remember reading "The Emperor's New Mind" when it was published. And it was 15-20 years after that before I found out he has explored so many other topics that I find very interesting. It's great that we have so many interviews with him which are available on a platform such as youtube.
I agree. Going from a piece of papers to the stars. I am still on the take off pad. Trying to figure that one. Lol
What no one seems to mention is that the singularity debate was a mathematical debate about GR, it was not a debate about physics (though most people thought it was). Now that black holes have been observed people think it has become physics, but I think they are still wrong, the existence of a singularity is still a mathematical debate, a debate between different models of physics, not all of which are _our_ physics, which makes it a mathematical debate. That's because we cannot send probes into a black hole to confirm the existence of an actual singularity, and we probably never will be able to do such experiments, and what cannot be observed must remain a mathematical curiosity. The trapped surface on the other hand _is_ a physics question, such surfaces can be observed. There is a physical question about whether or not spacetime collapses into an actual singularity, which models like string theory attempt to answer (negatively), but it cannot be answered by a theory, we'd only know a putative theory is correct once we get the evidence of whether singularities exist or not. Put another way, suppose we think theory "A" describes our actual physics, and predicts no singularity, then we figure out some way to probe inside black holes and find there is a singularity, it doesn't get smoothed out by quantum effects let's say. Then we'd say our belief in theory "A" was a mistake.
I still find it hard to understand how we can have infinite density/mass etc..So within a black hole, there might just be mass crushed to such high densities that it creates the black hole.. meaning that there is something physical at the centre. PS I am not a scientist in any way shape or form so anything I say is just my own thoughts and probably wrong!
I have just finished the first 36:45 of this video - the introduction. It is brilliant; I consider it fundamentally important to understand what will follow from Sir Roger Penrose. From a History of Science perspective, this introduction describes General Relativity between 1915 and 1965 - it should not be overlooked for its importance. Congratulations Professor Lehmkohl. Now onto the Penrose Lecture; I am excited.
Best two hours this week.
I love that he says "magnifies in one direction, and uh minifies in the other direction"
I like the way that when he approaches a very difficult process. He says ole well never mind. Yet keeps the subject so well described. Genius
1:11:10 "That's something I used to do a lot, was to squash down infinity...."
I haven't watched it yet, but those _have_ to be Penrose's words.
What a wonderfully choreographed and presented work! Thank you.
Absolutely Outstanding !!! Thank you all who bring this to me and so many others !!! A blessing for sure!!!
Anyone finding this fascinating should take an introductory course to black holes, special, or general relativity. Frickin mind blowing
sure, if you assume space is real
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This is so good ,I shall be listening several times and what a bonus Melvin Bragg !!!
I will too. The wall clock ticking is interesting background too.
And how wonderfull to listen to these creative cosmologists and mr Roger Penrose thank you .Xxxxxx🌏
looking forward to this a lot!!!
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Penrose is an alive legend
Damn this looks like such a brilliant session! Definitely gonna watch completely!
No you wont
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🤦♂️ I didn't thanks for reminding
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Haha. Touché
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Have you watched the video? Don't forget, you said you would!
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I did actually lol but alot of it went straight over my head lol ;;--;;
I'll give it another shot watching and re-watching until I get it but definitely not right now since my exams are going on but this Sunday probably.
It was mostly the fact that I couldn't keep track of what he was saying that I found to go over me really
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What a bliss! The love for Mathematics and Physics just got more intense ❤️
Nice! I studied Philosophy of Physics under Dennis at Oxford in '06! Good stuff! What up Dennis!
What a wise man. I wouldn't dare to go beyond computational physics either.
36 minutes and the introduction is done. Now I really have to pause for breakfast because my stomach is complaining. Back in a few minutes to hear Sir Roger. He edited Nature for so long - how is it that nobody I know has heard of him, even after his elevation to Nobel Laureate?
WOW, just came across the show!!! Thank you.
So he seems to have found proof for the cyclic universe, i heard him talking about it for a long time. Imagine theorizing about something unimaginable like that, and finding remnants of that theory in our universe, amazing guy 😎.
His theory on the quantum nature of the brain is also highly interesting.
Outstanding lecture.
Love Penrose’s slides - many of them hand written
Interesting fact; 1:09 he said "as Sherlock Holmes once said..." it was not Sherlock, but the author, Sir Arthur Connan Doyle, it's amazing that people remember the creation, but forgot the creator.
Penrose referring to one of his own papers: this paper got a nobel prize apparently
Oxford is love❤❤❤
Could the singularity instead of being a point with zero volume be a region of extremely dense matter causing extreme gravitational distortion and having volume that could eliminate the infinite gravity singularity theory ?
Is it possible to put the open ends of the past cone and future cone together? As if foreword causality is introduced to the future cone.
Whatever you think about Penrose's models, they are certainly both beautiful and elegant...and that is something.
Thank you very much for this great content.
Question. Could the “cone” of the singularity exist previously to the singularity photon energy entering?
Also, say that this is true. Then say a high energy laser is to hit the bottom of the cone aka. C3 surface but, the ring of that surface could project/focus the laser back or is the light being spread evenly around the ring and traveling back out the singularity cone’s outter edged ?
really enjoy roger 👍🏻 good lecture
I love the comparison of gravity and entropy. It fits perfectly with my theories and papers on the symbolic Language of the cosmos. Of which, our brains are an echo.
The concept of the Logosecho means that patterns are reflected in many ways across scales. Like Joseph Campbells “Hero with 1000 faces” in the stories of humans. I have taught myself to read it by distilling the essences of the language being used at many levels.
Symbols are how a recursive universe is able to use information feedback to build itself. That’s basically the theory I have been working on all my life and people like Roger Penrose have been working on too -whether they knew it or not. Therefore I know what gravity is. It’s meaning seen from the other direction in time. A physical representation of it. A memory system of the future because the universe is very much like a graphical user interface.
The now contains future and past-perfectly modeled for us by the fact of evolution and DNA. An organism represents the state of a process and a way to the future by recursive selection meaning. A singularity. Therefore the structures and patterns of life portray the secrets of the universe as a poem or allegory. We can see by this that what makes us conscious is the same thing that puts a singularity outside the spacetime universe. What is in the macrocosm is reflected here on Earth in me. In a human brain. The universe is a living thing which uses symbols as a way to navigate infinity via a spacetime interface. We are it’s parallel processing units. As well as being universes in ourselves.
I figured Roger would want to know what he has been working on-although I am sure that at some level he has suspected this. 🥰
It shouldn’t be surprising that black holes and brains are completely related. One is a singularity of matter and gravity and the other is from the other direction in us as meaning. Meaning is the gravity of consciousness. Since the universe is symbolic and the only reality is actually consciousness, when we transition to realize this is when we “ascend” to heaven so to speak.
Loved this talk. Self-reproducing indeed. 🤔🌈👍🏻 Please cite my work if you quote this:
You can use this citation:
Concrete Evidence that Consciousness Originates in a Factor Beyond Known Physics and Known Natural Laws: Meaning as a “lens” to See this Universal and Primary Force at Work. By Steven E Romer
-abstracts of the “Toward a Science of Consciousness” conference at the University of Arizona, Tucson, April 8-12 2002. Abstract 289
I have a bunch of other papers and a book I wrote but that paper is the most relevant and it was extremely predictive and proposed a new hybrid revolutionary experimental methodology which I presented a lot of evidence using. Later other researchers independently reproduced my results and hierarchical organization of the relevant information and showed it to be some of the most staggeringly significant results in the history of science. This is kinda like the “Big Bang” of humans finally understanding the true nature of the vaunted “information universe” and how and why humans exist and what life is.
I can’t even articulate properly how much I love this man. ❤️❤️❤️👁 Love the Penrose tiles too. Geometry was always a favorite of mine too. ❤️ And the evidence of previous or other universes is spread out all around us under the veil of spacetime and the physical manifestations of the shapes (geometry) of symbols. It’s literally everywhere. Like the periodic table or the Rosetta Stone, once you get the alphabet and words, it becomes obvious to anyone what the language says.
The purpose? It’s obviously a teaching machine. You are welcome. You definitely did it right. 😝😂 Yes, there are truths beyond the procedures. 😊 I.e. the universe... well said!
I would love to talk with Roger Penrose. I talked with Kip Thorne but he didn’t understand what I was saying. 🤷♀️ I think Roger would. Roger that! 😝 The title of this primitive (earlier) paper from 20 years ago is echoed in the end of this talk. Beyond Physics. Beyond computation. I have fully developed the theory now into a beautiful predictive engine.
Roger I want to meet you and then you would not be afraid. You should know and I would like to play the role of Perceival for you sir Roger. There’s a place for the machines. I will tell you what it is. But I am not saying it in public. People would think that I was crazy. But you will know. You will understand. I feel like I owe you that.
If anyone reading this knows Roger Penrose personally, and he has not seen it already, show him this. I thank you in advance. I will send copies of the paper to anyone who requests it free. Well, let’s say to the first 10 people. Then I will also hand write some pretty eye-opening things as a bonus. 🥰🤷♀️
There is no doubt that we live on Klein bottle topology with surface(cos(u/2)cos(v/2),cos(u/2)sin(v/2),sin(u)/2) 0>u>2pi, 0>v>2pi
This use of only 2pi, what should be a full rotation, points out that this is a one sided surface and therefore that every motion in matter side has it's reciprocal instantly and immediately on "other" side of surface, since in fact they are the same surface.
This is why electron half spin, one orbit expressed on this side and one orbit internalized on other side as positron. maintaining conservation.
Each neutron which contacts event horizon becomes the vacuum energy for a single planck second and then re-emerges in lowest energy points of space, in a way drawn there by the low energy density, sucked there. The neutrons having been accelerated to near c by the gravity OF event horizon travel 14ish relativistic light minutes and then decay into amorphous atomic hydrogen. This decay process includes a volume increase {energy density decrease} of 10^43 times. Fine tuning. Dark energy expansion. Lambda.
The amorphous atomic hydrogen doesn't have stable orbital electron and thus can't absorb or emit photons. Dark matter.
In time things settle down, electrons stabilize and the hydrogen can interact photonically. It then follows usual evolution path, gas, nebula, proto star, star, until in distant future that neutron is once again at edge of event horizon.
The universe is steady state.
Time is infinitesimal but the universe is eternal.
Neutron decay cosmology is inevitable.
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We should rename Sag. A * as "Penrose".
I don't understand english well + I don't like physics yet I clicked on this one and gave some time to digest what's being discussed about 😭
when i was a kid asking my dad about the universe he would often reply it's the theory of the bigger bucket. i never pressed him on what he meant but if the buckets were conformal and scale invariant which the words 'bigger bucket' certainly seem to imply, he might just have been right!
Great what an awesome intro👏
Wow, he is 90 yo, and still that strong and sharp. Very impressed !
To the first speaker, so far I haven't seen a substantive mechanism illustrating how gravity works 😂
0:00:01 INTRO
0:02:23 Dennis Lehmkuhl
O no ...than i hope it never happens concious in a device .
Just thinking befire that ...i hope SIR PENROSE can reach 150 years i this condition ..he the most clever and wise man to date !!
I guess he can start , a master degre filosify ...in like 2 months ☆☆☆☆☆
SUCH A HUGH FAN of
SIR Penrose ,
Cencere greetings ,
From a guy wishingbi ever had him as a proffesor !!♡
Johny geerts
Last question, Does the mass past the center ring have any effect on the mass sitting “above “ it?
Brilliant
A construct of positive positioning
It is difficult to see the story in terms of how all the mass lost in the evaporation of black holes turning up again as leptons even if protons never decay to give the universe an overall steady state. The universe in the CMB is supposed to still be full of hydrogen and helium atoms that presumably will either be swallowed by black holes going forward or get ripped apart by the expansion of universe.
Is Penrose saying that dark matter particles of plank mass recreates all these additional laptons through decay? But then where in the cycle and how do they get created in the cycle?
The conformal part is still difficult to get one's head around. Which parts are of same shape and proportional dimensions but different sizes. The particles or the whole universe?
And where is the Higg's field? Does that change to change the mass of particles?
Does this rule out the problem of matter and antimatter as well? It there is no beginning or end then there is no creation of equal number matter and antimatter.
What happens in the boundary between to eans?
What does he mean by inflation before and not after the boundry? What kind of inflation and how? Surely not the expansion of universe faster than speed of light.
Just because there are observational evidence these questions don't go away. There seems to be a lot of details still left to explain.
Correction @ 26:00 an observer inside _can_ see what's happening outside, just not the other way around.
Thankyou
Brilliant .
I wonder if the Universe has something like DNA that is passed onto the next Universe. Then as Universe's come & go [live & die], maybe they evolve as other life evolves. I can imagine previous Universe's containing less forces etc & there being many gradual evolutions occurring that has made the Universe we live in today, as full as it is now.
Dear Roger, "Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition" Spacetime Singularities - to be or not to be? Fiat Lux - "Be light made." Science in action - Heb. 11.1-3
The episodic speculations are what slow down European perception of reality. Mathematics dictates that whatever intergrates must differentiate. This means that any singularity is actually a balanced oscillation of time that stands still but is also moving or objects at rest and in motion at the same time, within a given space. So the singularity is actually a duality of time from the unknown universe to the known universe.
The Burbidges deserve credit for the discovery of quasars.
it all reflects on a superiorness of existance its what believers need abd want
I love it when people talk about me.
Does it make you feel complete?
Great. Book rec pls
Energy world based on density difference.
How to proof energy can form particals will give out the singularity as in the center of the density area of energy.
Using Gaussian distribution of laser beam.
I have received a gift and it's not even my birthday. PogChamp
so could say that the hawking radiation is actually occuring at the redshift limit what we perceive as the edge of the visible universe
Try to explain.
Incredible
1. "Singularity", just like "event horizon" are just names. Renaming one for another doesn't change anything.
2. Everything else concerning the "central singularity" does not make sense investigating until a quantum gravity is fully described and incorporated into GM or any other "theory of everything". So what is the point asking if singularity actually exists? We just don't know.
~26:00
He says (while paraphrasing an earlier researcher's comments) that an observer INSIDE the Schwarzchild(sp?) radius can never observe what is going on OUTSIDE the Schwarzchild radius.
That doesn't sound right. Stuff falls into a black hole. Including things like light, and spacecraft, for instance ... Oh, wait a minute, does that involve being pulled toward the singularity at some speed such that light from stuff that came in after you can't catch up with you? Does LIGHT travel faster than the speed of light INSIDE a black hole? I've seen videos of reproductions of what someone passing into a black hole is supposed to be able to see, and these were videos made by folks that got the science right. I know they showed the person seeing stars outside. Something about them seeing the entire future of the universe while in there. Which might make sense if your own clock slowed down to an infinitesimal rate, or stopped, but the outside world's clock didn't... Confused!!!
So its infinite in space _and_ time and we only observe the relic remnants? So where is the universe now? Is it over?
I'm high as fuck rn, don't know physics, but this shit was fascinating nonetheless.
Is this why the ancients looked to the Orion nebula/Trapezium open star cluster?
Beggining of lecture 2:23
nice
If the universe is infinitely big does it make us infinitely small to the universe? If were infinitely small do we really exist? Or we really are a simulation, a hologram, a dream?
I guess our own universe is some kind of geometrical inside out of some sort of a black hole. . .Think about it!
I believe it's max tegmark, but don't quote me on that, that believes universes can exist inside a black hole
"Energy and frequency are equivalent (dual)" -- Roger Penrose on the Max Planck equation.
Energy is dual to mass -- Einstein.
Certainty is dual to uncertainty -- the Heisenberg certainty/uncertainty principle.
The observed (singularities, points) is dual to the observer -- David Bohm.
Mind (the internal soul, syntropy) is dual to matter (the external soul, entropy) -- Descartes.
Internal is dual to external.
Singularities or points require external observers, any singularity or point requires an external or dual observer to exist -- Black holes require conscious observers to exist, duality, singularities are inherently dual.
Positive curvature is dual to negative curvature -- Gauss, Riemann geometry.
The infinite positive curvature singularity is dual to the infinite negative curvature singularity -- the one cannot exist without the other.
"Always two there are" -- the Yoda metaphysic.
The big bang is a Janus hole/point (two faces = duality) -- Julian Barbour, physicist.
Topological holes cannot be shrunk down to zero.
Concepts are dual to percepts -- the mind duality of Immanuel Kant.
It's better than Vogon poetry
@@ivocanevo Here is some more:-
Randomness (entropy) is dual to order (syntropy, predictability).
There is a 4th law of thermodynamics which you may not be aware of.
Syntropy (prediction) is dual to increasing entropy -- the 4th law of thermodynamics.
Immanuel Kant had a "mind duality" and this has not been acknowledged by the scientific community, this means everyone has a thought or mind duality.
The conservation of duality (energy) will be known as the 5th law of thermodynamics, energy is duality, duality is energy.
Gravitation is equivalent or dual to acceleration -- Einstein's happiest thought, the principle of equivalence (duality).
Energy is dual to mass -- Einstein.
Dark energy is dual to dark matter.
Potential energy is dual to kinetic energy, gravitational energy is dual.
Apples fall to the ground because they are conserving duality.
Action is dual to reaction -- Sir Isaac Newton.
Space is dual to time -- Einstein.
Electro is dual to magnetic -- Maxwell's equations.
Positive charge is dual to negative charge -- electric fields.
North poles are dual to south poles -- magnetic fields.
Electro-magnetic energy is therefore dual -- waves are dual to particles -- quantum duality.
There is a pattern of duality hardwired into the physics & philosophy and also mathematics.
"Always two there are" -- Yoda.
Yes, and symmetry
@@ivocanevo Symmetric wave functions (Bosons) are dual to anti-symmetric wave functions (Fermions).
Symmetry is dual to anti-symmetry
Waves (Bosons, force carriers) are dual to particles (Fermions) -- quantum duality.
Symmetry is dual to conservation -- the duality of Noether's theorem.
Einstein's theory of General Relativity is built on top of Noether's theorem.
Homology is dual to co-homology.
Points are dual to lines, the principle of duality in geometry.
You should take "Vogon" poetry very seriously as it works, duality is a pattern hardwired into the physics, mathematics, philosophy, biology etc.
Parts are dual to wholes -- holons.
Biological cells represent parts of organs (kidney, liver, heart etc.) whilst at the same time they are wholes as they can live independently. cells are dual.
Patterns lead to optimized predictions or syntropy.
Syntropy (prediction) is dual to increasing entropy -- the 4th law of thermodynamics.
"Always two there are" -- Yoda.
Nice.
All this talk makes me think that information in black holes may be unaccessable, but it isn't destroyed...
Please share my two brief videos with other people. Thank you!
can we avoid singularities in a simoutaneously expanding and contratcting universe... i think so becuase the zero point will be the result of the balance of oposing vectors as it is with the spin of entangled particles so does space and time separetly can go forward or backward...see my humble paper on figshare ( speed of expansion of the universe 2 ( a bit of mathmatical fantasy)
The definition of a human mind to realize it's selfless ness towards other's.changes in thoughts changes reality .Funny human's underestimate there value of entanglements of the Galaxy in side them.
A question for Sir Roger Penrose: Could dark matter be the microscopic remnants of evaporated black holes from previous aeons of the universe?
I definitely don't speak for sir Roger but with his love of light cones I would sincerely doubt it.
Apply Machian idea. The inside of every black hole is this universe. Conservation is maintained in all ways. The Inversion of the circle is the model that fits.
It's a super dense plasmoid, not a "black hole".
The diagram looks similar to the effects of air to a bullet.
Penrose @ 36:50
When did he win the nobel prize for this? I've had the ideas he conveys in this video for roughly ten years... minus the primitive double cone pictures he's drawn... The actual shape is a really a hypersphere...
That shape is based on a 2d graph using 3 dimensions then refitted to 2d for visual purposes. It's not the shape of the universe. He's technically correct with his cones. You can't travel faster than the speed of light to leave your cone in your particular time direction. Tbh I don't love them either but I can't find fault with them at all.
1965 I believe...
So, what if the reason that light has never escaped a black hole is because light has never entered one. Think, A black hole could be just an effect of an accumulation of matter. A point in space converged upon by forces that create an area of pure density and zero matter comparable to the total mass of the collection of matter. Like water around a rock, light flows around the black hole. nice?
Effectively if a it takes a certain amount of matter to create a void in space with no other attributes but density; this could be used as a single unit of density in relation to all other measurements of density in all other points of space/time. This allow you to use a this pure density as a unit of density and subtract this from any other occupied point in space to generate a negative number denoting density in a point in space.
Infinite/In finite
We can imagine a new type of singularity resulting from a mental process in which one parameter increases, while another decreases. We would reach a critical limit in which the collapse of the system would lead to a singularity, where the infinite component could be the information coming from the absolute threshold of consciousness.
Write it in a paper and get it peer reviewed.
All of that is observed by consciousness.
Consciousness is like dimension zero, everything is within it as potential.
@@aurelienyonrac There are more than ONE level of consciousness (UP).
The neurologists of Sussex Univ. had demonstrate so. And Prof. Fred Alan Wolf admits the hipotesis of the ultimate level of consciousness: The Superior Consc.!!
2:11:25 We have become gods and now we wonder at our own act of creation.
If consciousness is not computation. Then sentient Robots are not possible?
schwartzschild "accident of history"... yeah, sure. what about "des cartes", "cor eolis", "ne-ander"-thal and all the others... some names really bug me
These cones of time ! can it be the human eyesight that sees only one finite perspective also be co trolling what we see through time?
You can never get to the edge of the universe, you can never get to the edge of a black hole. Hmmmmmm?
Agradecido con el de arriba
It s very amazig
Yes
When galaxy moves faster than light
Curvature of space time change it will disappear but where
It doesn't disappear; its light will never reach us.
@@ivocanevo how we know position of glaxies
Understand zero but am watching
Ya right
A non-symmetric black hole event horizon, might look a bit like a BLACK SHIELD (Schwarzschild)