Yep, one of the many reasons I left the church. They were telling me my kids were abominations and would say “they are welcome” but didn’t mean it. Awful.
Homesexuals, and the lost in general, are welcome at our church. We discussed this at our Bible study last night as a matter of fact. God DOES love everyone. The Bible has guidelines and principles set forth as a love letter to us, His creations. He asks us to live a life that is Holy(honest, loving, reverent to God). He instructs us as to how to achieve that. He helps us do that as we are all weak, through the help of the Holy Spirit that He sent after Jesus died. He does not ever instruct us to do something that is not possible. “With God all things are possible.” Matthew 19:26 No one has to “clean up” their lives before they come to our church, or more importantly, before they can come to God to ask for help in changing their life, for peace of mind now, and eternal life with God. No one is an abomination; it is the presence of behavior that God has deemed wrong that is at issue. The behavior of habitual sin, whether it’s addictions or any other sin, isn’t condoned. We don’t do anyone any favors by lying to ppl. The “church” as a whole has failed in so many ways over the last few decades. We haven’t been compassionate, we’ve turned a blind eye to the Pastors that aren’t walking out a Holy lifestyle, we’ve not accepted all that want to come and we haven’t told the truth about sin, nor held ppl accountable. Many lies have been perpetrated. The Gospel(Good news), has been watered down due to cultural influences. Living a life that does not include habitual sin is possible with the help of the Holy Spirt. This is evident by the millions that have been set free from addictions, lusts of the flesh, selfish behavior and the like. I am not Mormon. I am a Christian. Although it is not impt which denomination I am, I will say I am a spirt-filled believer that has a relationship with Jesus. Very different than being “religious”. The Bible says much about sexual sin. Mainly bc when we are subject to our fleshly desires, it brings pain. Sexual lust, fornication(sex outside of marriage between a man and a woman)and adultery is a sin and brings pain, not just to God but to us. This is true of all sin. Sin also brings separation from God. Mainly bc we feel so much guilt and shame and we don’t feel “good enough” for a relationship with God. But that is a lie. We can ask for, and receive by faith, His forgiveness. I do not want to bring offense. But the truth is the truth. Many ppl have changed Gods Word, or rejected it, bc they want to justify their own sin, or the sin of their children. 😢 We can’t do that bc that in and of itself is a sin. His Word is inspired by the Holy Spirit, and is complete. We are not to add to the Word. Deuteronomy 4:2 “Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the Lord your God that I give you.” The answer to our issue with habitual sin in our life(addictions, sexual sins, gossip etc) or in your kids lives, is not to change Gods Word to suit ourselves, it is to have a full relationship with God. The Bible tells us that we have to die daily to ourselves. That is SO important! That means dying to our flesh and it’s desires which are not always healthy. We surrender(our lives to Him)to win! 🤩 When our kids are little, we watch them have falls before they can walk well. We assist them, we encourage them, and sometimes, they fall without our seeing it. It’s the same with God as our Father. It pains Him I’m sure to see us stumble and fall until we can finally walk upright. We all sin. But the Bible gives us hope when it tells us that sin can no longer have dominion over us. That means it is possible! I’ve been clean and sober for 32 years after surrendering to God as my Lord and Savior. I don’t struggle with those issues, and haven’t for years. But I struggle with other things. My diet, pride and a few other things. “For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace”. Roman’s 6:14. The last thing I will add is that we don’t lie to our kids. When they were growing up, we were doing right by them to be honest with them. Love in action is honesty, being trustworthy. We tell them the truth in the Bible bc we know it is good for them. Just like telling them that eating their veggies is good for them. We don’t lie about the things we know to be true. God does love everyone, but He is also righteous, Holy and He cannot lie. If He says something is wrong, it is wrong. We don’t “go along to get along” becoming a ppl pleaser, a “friend” (a dishonest one at that)to our kids instead of being a trustworthy parent. Same with God. He cannot lie. So if He says something is a sin, it is a sin. It is not healthy, wise or honest to lie…to ourselves, our kids or anyone else. So we are doing right by our kids or ourselves by understanding that God’s Word is true, and loving; we don’t get to live “how we want to” without consequences, and we deserve to have peace of mind about our life, which we get by living the way God has laid out for us. It is of utmost importance that we show compassion with others that are struggling with habitual sin, but we don’t lie to them that there are not eternal consequences. Love is telling the truth and not making excuses for our behaviors. Hope this helps someone. God bless everyone
Back when I went to church, no one knew I was a lesbian. It's because of what I heard in the church and the behavior of it's people, that I walked away and never looked back!
..Jesus was the only true victim that everyone has turned their back on. Look to Jesus the biblical Jesus not the LDS or LGBTQ! 👉👉 He was despised and rejected by mankind, a man of suffering, and familiar with pain. Like one from whom people hide their faces he was despised, and we held him in low esteem. ISAIAH 53:3
@@slytheguy6761 Thankfully, right after that, I was introduced to my people's spiritually, before it was forbidden by the Wasichu's and their church. It is a belief of love, light and harmony, unlike what I found in the christian religion and bible, so I think I will stay with the way of my ancestors.
@slytheguy6761 , you can quote scripture all day long, but when it all comes down to it, the bible is full of contradictions, bigotry, and is a bastardised version of the original scrolls that were in existence at that time. The King James II version of the bible ( commonly used in organised religion) was written by men, and for men.😢
@@sula1529”all these women”? You are blaming an entire sex of women in the LDS church for the sins of two mentally deranged women & their actions? I don’t think so dear.
Love that u are even asking this! As a cis woman I know that we need to continue asking these questions!!! Everyone deserves representation and acceptance , but especially love!!
She is such an amazing woman, and so strong to walk away from her faith to stand up for what is right. She is correct God does love ALL of his children, especially those belonging to the LGBTQIA+ community.
Why especially LGBTQIA+ people? Why would God love them more? Also, which God exactly? Who decides what God does or doesn't do or feel? You? Did God come to you and tell you he loves all men - but men who are aroused by other men... them he loves MORE???
@@JenniferCaruso5Why exactly is that Jennifer? Is the sexual act itself that God has told you is wrong? I don't want to burst your bubble or anything but lots and lots straight people partake in the same act, should they be classes as an abomination too?
@@JenniferCaruso5So you don't eat pork, right? You offer burnt sacrifices, right? You make sure that widows marry their dead husband's brother, right? You stone sinners to death, right?
@@JenniferCaruso5 Oh I see. So some of the Bible conveniently no longer applies, except for the part you need to keep to make sure your bigotry is supported by scripture. Got it.
@@JenniferCaruso5 I have, yeah. You've unfortunately missed some important parts of it. Like "judge not, that you be not judged", greatest commandment being love one another, give all your riches to the poor, etc. I'm assuming because you love the Bible so much, you're totally fine with being treated as chattle, right?
We get chased out of the church pretty early on. Even if the pastor/preist doesn't preach anything homophobic/transphobic, the other members will chase us out
Not in my experience. My brother was loved and accepted for what his sexual orientation was. I've got friends who have always been accepted by the members of the church, so you may have had an unfortunate experience.
The funny thing is that I used to think when I saw certain members of my ward get married I would privately think “huh, I thought they were gay”. Now when I reflect back I think I was right about some of them. This was in the ‘70s. I had my awareness raised about gays people from an early age from a few experiences. There was a gay couple who lived on my street, and we were a conservative community. I bet many were there in church but not recognized due to being in the closet. I can’t figure out how the Church is so bigoted against them since they seemed like a natural fit. Now the Church has moved away from road shows and the arts they are a less compelling organization It’s a travesty My best friend, not a Mormon taught me that yes, God was love ❤️ that’s the best message and the bottom line
My ward had one LGBTQ member, that I knew of. She was intersex. She chose, long before she joined the church, to become fully female. She wanted to attend the temple. Stake Pres didn't know if that was ok. Church eventually paid for her to have genetic testing. Test came back and geneticist said that she is what she says she is. That wasn't ok with the church, so they refused her a recommend. She thought if she had kept her male parts instead of the female parts, that they would have been fine with that.
My mission did a lot for me. And gave me a understanding of true love. I battled a long time to justify church actions. Until I had to admit that this church isn’t to one of a loving God. Only a selective, selfish one.
I had the utmost respect and confidence in David now even more so if that was possible, go by the way I’m a transgender woman who is a high priest , former high priest group leader and a Ogdrn temple worker for 6 years. I’ve meet John and had several conversations along Nemo when he was in Utah. I’m not a newby to this ,joined the church when I was 19, have read all the Joseph Smith paper books, so President Nelson I’m not a Lazy learner.
My best friend in high school came out to his bishop, tormented by his homosexuality. That bishop stripped my friend of his seminary leadership role, revoked his scholarship to BYU, and disfellowshipped him. Destroyed his life and shoved him into a mental and emotional hell. Because he asked for help, wanting the church to "cure" him. It's no wonder the church's LGBTQ+ youth sometimes commit suicide. My friend did not. He found solace and peace by leaving.
What a dear, good-hearted, authentic person she is! Bless her for speaking the TRUTH! God is ALL love. God created us all differently. To the best of my knowledge, He did not create each of his 7 billion children using two "cookie cutters": One All male. The other All female. What an insult to say he created all those billions of individuals without any diversity whatsoever!!
This is what Heather Daybell said about her son being gay and the church denied him church membership unless he lived a celebate life. Heather said she left the church of LDS because of the lies they tell its gay members that they are not worthy if they are loving someone of the same sex. God said love your neighbor.
AMEN. The church and Christ’s teaching are separate. The church excludes and judges, you don’t have to be a part of that to follow Christ. And I’m so sorry for all of you who feel you have to make the choice to stay or leave Christ. YOU DONT. You may leave the church and god will love you unconditionally. You will have happiness. You will have true acceptance of yourself and not weight or shame to carry. You are important. ❤
May the Goddess bless you and your family. This is a lonely path for all families and members of the LGBTQ+ families. Please know you aren't alone! Blessings to you all!
They are there. I have sat next to them. I have been friends with them. They just don’t openly shout their preferences. Everyone is loved and should be welcomed. Christ loves everyone.
The reason you don’t see many lgbt in sacrament is because they didn’t come. It’s their choice. It’s that simple. Has nothing to do with anything else.
I remember ,back when I was an LDS member , the policy towards those with dark skin (especially African Americans) could Not hold the priesthood go to the Temple sevre an honorable mission etc . That didn't change until many years later. Probably won't happen soon for the LGTBQ Community. At least Not in our lifetime
therein lies it's own problem. the only open ones are the ones who are deluded into believing that they'll be happy living the church's rules against who they are. this is why her son left.
How can anyone say “God is not here”? God is omnipresent, He is everywhere. Secondly, “sitting in a church “ is same as sitting in a garage; you don’t become a car, by just sitting in a garage. But, about “sitting in a church “ , there are many who are sitting in a church and criticizing God, while sitting in a church. I’m not Mormon or ex Mormon but I am a newborn Christian and God has mercy on, whom He has mercy on. Meaning this; even in LGBT community there might be individuals who belongs to God; they just don’t know it yet. Straight is not the goal, marriage is not the goal. Holiness is the goal. Yet again, I’m not more holy than anyone else, so just thank God if you are given the free gift of faith in the blood of Jesus Christ.
Maybe because gay couples sit together in church???? Maybe because you know the people in your ward who you interact with every week????? Maybe because Mormons gossip?????
but they can't choose how they feel, and they shouldn't have to ignore feelings regarding who they love (with consent on both sides) or how they choose to present themselves in regards to gender.
Maybe they were afraid or was ashamed because they knew how they were living was not pleasing to our Heavenly Father.maybe when they were around if someone just one person went out of their way to be kno d and charitable to them they would of returned. And maybe they were There and you just didn’t know it.Gif is everywhere do not forget that . We all need to have our love and spirit in sink with our God .I hope you haven’t used this as an excuse to stop going to church God bless you an give to strength to continue to do what’s right.
I don’t know much about this woman’s story as I’ve only seen this short, but I can understand how she feels based on her statement. Although I am ex LDS I do think she is misguided. Maybe that’s not the best word, but what I mean is, “ when she says she looked around and didn’t see any LGBTQ+ people there or that they were hiding”, I think it is kind of offensive as it implies. They should stand out and I’m guessing be flamboyant for you to recognize them. I don’t believe somebody’s sexuality is always at the forefront and noticeable to everyone in the same way that are political affiliations aren’t and many other things that people tend to try and identify themselves with. I don’t think she meant to be offensive and I’m definitely not a social justice warrior. But I just wanted to point out that at the LDS church and many other churches in the world people of the LGBTQ plus community are welcome with some churches being exceptions as they are hateful and wish death on these people. Because one thing to understand is whether or not you’re living a sinful life through homosexual acts lusting after others, indulging in pornography, being unfaithful to partner and committing adultery and etc. these are all wrong, but this is not mean that people shouldn’t be welcomed or go to a church. And depending on whether or not people are aware of your sins, it may cause shame, and you may feel unwanted and like you’re not welcome, but that is how anyone would feel in that environment when they have been rebelling against God. I think it’s important to remember Satan wants us to think we should feel ashamed and we should hold onto it and that we should just give up and not trying reform ourselves and allow God to shape us. giving yourself to him is not easy and it’s a process and it’s different for everyone. As the last caveat, I think there are exceptions and there are people who are genuinely rude, hateful, and ugly to one another and God and Jesus Christ are not OK with that and we will all have to answer for our actions when our time comes.
Sorry...but I will be very blunt here... I feel its interesting that you found something wrong about the church after you were approached about a book regarding your experience as a mother of a famous LGBTQ person and his experience ? As a bishop there were three LBGTQ members in my ward, they had callings and even held temple recommends. They understood the covenant they made with Heavenly Father and remained faithful to their testimony. And you know what...they looked no different than any other member, no different than any other brother or sister that I have known throughout my life in the church. I loved them because they were my brothers and sister and because God loved them. But, they understood the Plan of Salvation, they trusted that if they remained faithful to their covenant, every promise and blessing would be given them after this life ! They understood that God loved them. Yes, even straight people have to remain faithful. They get no free passes. They also need to abide by God's Laws !
And so they were treated equally and could marry whom they chose even of the same sex and received all the Covenants as the Straight people. For God loved all his Children equally and saw no fault in them. Amen.
i'm pretty sure she just means that out of the people she's known for years, why isn't it more open? we all know it's a big deal if someone is known to be lgbtq+ at church, but why? why does everyone have to assume that anyone who doesn't speak out is straight? why do people have to be afraid to speak out?
Did you ever look for LGBTQ+ in church before David came out as gay? Just wondering. It sounds like you're passing judgment. I can't tell if someone is gay, an alcoholic, has an addiction of some sort, or any sinful behavior while sitting by him/her in church or out in the public. God loves all his children. He can't condone sin. If He did He would cease to be God. Hence, there are consequences if one violates His commandments. The worst being, in my opinion, His spirit ceases to be with him/her. I have personally experienced this happen to me. It's not a sin to be gay. It's a sin if one acts upon his/her lusts with one of the same sex. BTW I have always enjoyed David's music. I have been a fan since the American Idol days. Did I stop being a fan when he came out as gay? No! God's love for him didn't stop either. I'm pretty sure.❤
you're equating problematic behaviors with sexuality, which is a glaring sign of homophobia. maybe she didn't think about it until her son came out because it just wasn't something she had real experience with before then. things change when someone close to you comes out. she just wants to see a space where her son and others feel safe expressing affection as much as they would in a heterosexual relationship.
I am glad people are realizing that Christianity, religions in general corrupted the word "GOD ". The true God is love, where there is no judgment, no punishment, and it doesn't live in churches or temples.
and their definition of sexual perversion is just as twisted as racism- no, i'm not getting into the acts done in the name of racism, i'm just saying that they're both wrong for mistreating people for harmless things that they were born with.
i'm pretty sure she just means that out of the people she's known for years, why isn't it more open? we all know it's a big deal if someone is known to be lgbtq+ at church, but why? why does everyone have to assume that anyone who doesn't speak out is straight? why do people have to be afraid to speak out?
All sinners are loved by God. All people sitting in church pews are sinners. Some are sinners saved by grace bc they have recognized their sins and REPENTED or TURNED FROM their Sin and accepted Jesus free gift of salvation. LGBTQ wants to be openly sinning in God face and not repent. They want to mock God. A true repent person will do what God says even when they don't want to . A true follower will sacrifice their earthly desire for God's desire.
there's literally nothing wrong with being lgbtq+. anyone who really cares about what's between someone's legs and how they dress themselves, or how two consenting adults are in a relationship, that's the fault of the bigot, not the judged. you're a much bigger pervert for caring about two people with the same genitals getting busy than they are for getting busy with each other.
Wow - intelligent content y'all are putting out these days. God loves everyone.... except these people who don't love everyone. Those people can't have God. Also, this is like going to a butcher shop and saying "I've never seen a vegan here...". The whole Family Proclamation thing kind of says "hey, we don't agree with the LGBTQ's" - meaning they're unlikely to want to attend a congregation. It's weird you would see this as a problem. Everyone has to agree.... with ME!
That's what she's saying the problem is. God supposedly loving and welcoming everyone doesn't mix well with your admission that the church excludes LGBTQ+ people.
@@jmut714 what do you think LGBTQ+ people are? Are you born with no control over your sexual emotions, thoughts, actions, inclinations, orientation? LGBTQ+ is a choice and a lifestyle - or a series of them more accurately. They have chosen a life that doesn't agree with what LDS teachings say leads to happiness. Who wants to go to church every week to "worship" a God they either don't believe or at least refuse to listen to? Go invent your own God. Become a humanist. Reject the Judeo-Christian values and God and try to invent your own sub structure for a moral society. Plenty of people are. The part that's really mind blowing-ly ignorant and blind is that everyone with your tone is saying "hey, you people are wrong for thinking LGBTQ+ people are wrong... we demand you conform your beliefs so that their beliefs fit better into them." Society is more accepting of LGBTQ+ ideals than ever - how's that working out? Time will tell. Place your faith where you think is wise. How is this so complicated to you?
she's saying she wants to see a safe space for same sex couples. she wants to see people like her son feeling safe enough to express affection with a same sex partner, just like straight couples do.
Maybe you see them but they have chosen to follow God and not embrace their LGBTQ feelings. People to turn away from those desires to follow Christ just as straight people Turn away from desires to follow Christ.
I have family and friends who are gay and go to Church each Sunday. Everybody in their congregation know they are gay and still they are loved and accepted. I think they get even more love and supported because people want to lift them up and keep them coming. And you are right - they look like everyone else. This woman seems to be projecting her own bigotry on others.
You’d see them sitting with their significant other like all the heterosexual couples sitting in the pews. If an LGBTQ person is sitting in a pew, they’re alone. It’s the only way the church will allow them to participate.
@@chlyri God said all sexual immorality is wrong. Fornication, adultery, homosexuality and more. Evil is just a perversion of good. Lieing is not telling the truth, coveting is not being satisfied with what God gave you, sexual immorality is going against who God made us. We arnt, as humans, designed to be in a same sex relationship. It doesn't fit.
How would you know who someone is there? Why would they have to advertise it for you? You’re the one being judgemental and hateful here. I’m certain there are many in that community in our midst and more power to them.
watch the whole episode, but no, you're being judgmental here. how many straight couples do you think she spots in a quick glance? why can't she see even a fraction of same sex couples acting the same way? because they know they aren't really safe there. she wants a space where same sex pairs can be just as open as straight ones.
Wait a minute. How do you know what a LGBT member looks like? That's crazy!!! I don't get that question she asked. Geeze. Trust me. They're around us but they are no different looking than you and I. We should not be assuming anyone looks different because of their sexual orientation. It's these kind of comments that divide.
How do you know someone is in a straight relationship? They sit together at church. Plus you know the majority of people in your ward. She’s not saying they look different.
Sin Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster noun (1) ˈsin Synonyms of sin 1 a : an offense against religious or moral law b : an action that is or is felt to be highly reprehensible it's a sin to waste food c : an often serious shortcoming : fault 2 a : transgression of the law of God b : a vitiated state of human nature in which the self is estranged from God sin 2 of 4 verb sin
You sound like Jodi Hildebrand lmao Your religion is based on hate, and your heart holds nothing but hate. It must be so exhausting. God doesn't make mistakes, including making people LGBTQ+
@@laurasalo6160 she doesn't, but she can get an inkling with who's safe expressing their attractions by seeing who's rubbing backs, wrapping arms around shoulders, and holding hands just like the straight couples do. same sex couples should get to do that just as much.
Even if the entire world decides to follow satan , the lord is not going to change the rules . 45 years going down the drain. You had the call but never chosen.
then satan is the better choice. if your god can't accept two consenting adults in a relationship, he's oppressive. satan honestly seems more honest and trustworthy.
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Yep, one of the many reasons I left the church. They were telling me my kids were abominations and would say “they are welcome” but didn’t mean it. Awful.
I sincerely hope your children are doing well. Sending love to you and yours.
Homesexuals, and the lost in general, are welcome at our church. We discussed this at our Bible study last night as a matter of fact.
God DOES love everyone. The Bible has guidelines and principles set forth as a love letter to us, His creations. He asks us to live a life that is Holy(honest, loving, reverent to God). He instructs us as to how to achieve that. He helps us do that as we are all weak, through the help of the Holy Spirit that He sent after Jesus died. He does not ever instruct us to do something that is not possible.
“With God all things are possible.”
Matthew 19:26
No one has to “clean up” their lives before they come to our church, or more importantly, before they can come to God to ask for help in changing their life, for peace of mind now, and eternal life with God.
No one is an abomination; it is the presence of behavior that God has deemed wrong that is at issue. The behavior of habitual sin, whether it’s addictions or any other sin, isn’t condoned. We don’t do anyone any favors by lying to ppl. The “church” as a whole has failed in so many ways over the last few decades. We haven’t been compassionate, we’ve turned a blind eye to the Pastors that aren’t walking out a Holy lifestyle, we’ve not accepted all that want to come and we haven’t told the truth about sin, nor held ppl accountable. Many lies have been perpetrated. The Gospel(Good news), has been watered down due to cultural influences. Living a life that does not include habitual sin is possible with the help of the Holy Spirt. This is evident by the millions that have been set free from addictions, lusts of the flesh, selfish behavior and the like.
I am not Mormon. I am a Christian. Although it is not impt which denomination I am, I will say I am a spirt-filled believer that has a relationship with Jesus. Very different than being “religious”.
The Bible says much about sexual sin. Mainly bc when we are subject to our fleshly desires, it brings pain.
Sexual lust, fornication(sex outside of marriage between a man and a woman)and adultery is a sin and brings pain, not just to God but to us. This is true of all sin. Sin also brings separation from God. Mainly bc we feel so much guilt and shame and we don’t feel “good enough” for a relationship with God. But that is a lie.
We can ask for, and receive by faith, His forgiveness.
I do not want to bring offense. But the truth is the truth. Many ppl have changed Gods Word, or rejected it, bc they want to justify their own sin, or the sin of their children. 😢
We can’t do that bc that in and of itself is a sin. His Word is inspired by the Holy Spirit, and is complete. We are not to add to the Word.
Deuteronomy 4:2
“Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the Lord your God that I give you.”
The answer to our issue with habitual sin in our life(addictions, sexual sins, gossip etc) or in your kids lives, is not to change Gods Word to suit ourselves, it is to have a full relationship with God.
The Bible tells us that we have to die daily to ourselves. That is SO important! That means dying to our flesh and it’s desires which are not always healthy. We surrender(our lives to Him)to win! 🤩
When our kids are little, we watch them have falls before they can walk well. We assist them, we encourage them, and sometimes, they fall without our seeing it. It’s the same with God as our Father. It pains Him I’m sure to see us stumble and fall until we can finally walk upright. We all sin. But the Bible gives us hope when it tells us that sin can no longer have dominion over us. That means it is possible! I’ve been clean and sober for 32 years after surrendering to God as my Lord and Savior. I don’t struggle with those issues, and haven’t for years. But I struggle with other things. My diet, pride and a few other things.
“For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace”. Roman’s 6:14.
The last thing I will add is that we don’t lie to our kids. When they were growing up, we were doing right by them to be honest with them. Love in action is honesty, being trustworthy. We tell them the truth in the Bible bc we know it is good for them. Just like telling them that eating their veggies is good for them. We don’t lie about the things we know to be true. God does love everyone, but He is also righteous, Holy and He cannot lie. If He says something is wrong, it is wrong. We don’t “go along to get along” becoming a ppl pleaser, a “friend” (a dishonest one at that)to our kids instead of being a trustworthy parent. Same with God. He cannot lie. So if He says something is a sin, it is a sin.
It is not healthy, wise or honest to lie…to ourselves, our kids or anyone else.
So we are doing right by our kids or ourselves by understanding that God’s Word is true, and loving;
we don’t get to live “how we want to” without consequences, and we deserve to have peace of mind about our life, which we get by living the way God has laid out for us.
It is of utmost importance that we show compassion with others that are struggling with habitual sin, but we don’t lie to them that there are not eternal consequences. Love is telling the truth and not making excuses for our behaviors.
Hope this helps someone. God bless everyone
@@ettajfan5882, wonderful sentiments, which I second 😊♥️♥️♥️
Back when I went to church, no one knew I was a lesbian. It's because of what I heard in the church and the behavior of it's people, that I walked away and never looked back!
..Jesus was the only true victim that everyone has turned their back on. Look to Jesus the biblical Jesus not the LDS or LGBTQ!
👉👉 He was despised and rejected by mankind, a man of suffering, and familiar with pain. Like one from whom people hide their faces he was despised, and we held him in low esteem. ISAIAH 53:3
Wise choice!
@@slytheguy6761 Thankfully, right after that, I was introduced to my people's spiritually, before it was forbidden by the Wasichu's and their church. It is a belief of love, light and harmony, unlike what I found in the christian religion and bible, so I think I will stay with the way of my ancestors.
@slytheguy6761 , you can quote scripture all day long, but when it all comes down to it, the bible is full of contradictions, bigotry, and is a bastardised version of the original scrolls that were in existence at that time. The King James II version of the bible ( commonly used in organised religion) was written by men, and for men.😢
Same ♥️♥️♥️
I left the LDS church because it does not meet my basic thresholds of morality.
It's disturbing all these women that are part of lds what they are doing to their kids..why?
@@sula1529”all these women”? You are blaming an entire sex of women in the LDS church for the sins of two mentally deranged women & their actions? I don’t think so dear.
@@devinhildebrandt2709no, it's one you don't understand if you can justify mistreating people here for the sake of eternity.
@@catherinefinken2294 What's LDS?
Love that u are even asking this! As a cis woman I know that we need to continue asking these questions!!! Everyone deserves representation and acceptance , but especially love!!
She is such an amazing woman, and so strong to walk away from her faith to stand up for what is right. She is correct God does love ALL of his children, especially those belonging to the LGBTQIA+ community.
Why especially LGBTQIA+ people? Why would God love them more? Also, which God exactly? Who decides what God does or doesn't do or feel? You? Did God come to you and tell you he loves all men - but men who are aroused by other men... them he loves MORE???
@@JenniferCaruso5Why exactly is that Jennifer? Is the sexual act itself that God has told you is wrong? I don't want to burst your bubble or anything but lots and lots straight people partake in the same act, should they be classes as an abomination too?
@@JenniferCaruso5So you don't eat pork, right? You offer burnt sacrifices, right? You make sure that widows marry their dead husband's brother, right? You stone sinners to death, right?
@@JenniferCaruso5 Oh I see. So some of the Bible conveniently no longer applies, except for the part you need to keep to make sure your bigotry is supported by scripture. Got it.
@@JenniferCaruso5 I have, yeah. You've unfortunately missed some important parts of it. Like "judge not, that you be not judged", greatest commandment being love one another, give all your riches to the poor, etc.
I'm assuming because you love the Bible so much, you're totally fine with being treated as chattle, right?
We get chased out of the church pretty early on. Even if the pastor/preist doesn't preach anything homophobic/transphobic, the other members will chase us out
Not in my experience. My brother was loved and accepted for what his sexual orientation was. I've got friends who have always been accepted by the members of the church, so you may have had an unfortunate experience.
Unity Church will accept you with open, loving arms.
@@ldp4520Your experience is the exception, don't pretend it's a common thing.
@@ldp4520you brother is one in a million. Read more books. “Gather The Wagons Around Our Gay Loved Ones” by Carol Lynn Pearson.
@@jmut714amen!
The funny thing is that I used to think when I saw certain members of my ward get married I would privately think “huh, I thought they were gay”. Now when I reflect back I think I was right about some of them. This was in the ‘70s. I had my awareness raised about gays people from an early age from a few experiences. There was a gay couple who lived on my street, and we were a conservative community. I bet many were there in church but not recognized due to being in the closet. I can’t figure out how the Church is so bigoted against them since they seemed like a natural fit. Now the Church has moved away from road shows and the arts they are a less compelling organization It’s a travesty
My best friend, not a Mormon taught me that yes, God was love ❤️ that’s the best message and the bottom line
Yes, the church used to have a vibrant community with the road shows and the arts. Now it's stiff, boring and strict
What a beautiful soul.
She is an amazingly beautiful spirited woman I hope that her son comes on your program and tells his story also!
Very sweet lady, tx u for sharing your story.
Love this and your right God loves all!!
Amen Sister! She is my kind of human being!
My ward had one LGBTQ member, that I knew of. She was intersex. She chose, long before she joined the church, to become fully female. She wanted to attend the temple. Stake Pres didn't know if that was ok. Church eventually paid for her to have genetic testing. Test came back and geneticist said that she is what she says she is. That wasn't ok with the church, so they refused her a recommend. She thought if she had kept her male parts instead of the female parts, that they would have been fine with that.
The fact that they withheld her recommend until she got a genetic test is wild to me. It’s THAT big of a deal to them?…
@@hgirlrox Yep. And they didn't like the results, so no recommend. The Stake Pres actually advocated for her. Salt Lake made the decision.
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Who gave them the authourity to judge her or anyone else? It wasn't God.
That is absolutely unacceptable! The church has NO BUSINESS getting into this lady's genetics!
That is wild! I’m just speechless over that
My mission did a lot for me. And gave me a understanding of true love. I battled a long time to justify church actions. Until I had to admit that this church isn’t to one of a loving God. Only a selective, selfish one.
gotta love that the program designed to even more deeply indoctrinate has done a lot of liberation.
I had the utmost respect and confidence in David now even more so if that was possible, go by the way I’m a transgender woman who is a high priest , former high priest group leader and a Ogdrn temple worker for 6 years.
I’ve meet John and had several conversations along Nemo when he was in Utah.
I’m not a newby to this ,joined the church when I was 19, have read all the Joseph Smith paper books, so President Nelson I’m not a Lazy learner.
I really wish people would put aside the toy of God and faith and religion and realize all love is human and originates from ourself to each other.
Amen!
My best friend in high school came out to his bishop, tormented by his homosexuality. That bishop stripped my friend of his seminary leadership role, revoked his scholarship to BYU, and disfellowshipped him. Destroyed his life and shoved him into a mental and emotional hell. Because he asked for help, wanting the church to "cure" him. It's no wonder the church's LGBTQ+ youth sometimes commit suicide. My friend did not. He found solace and peace by leaving.
Sad!!! I am happy she had this revelation❤
Verdidad
God is love
Thank you
Senora❤
What a dear, good-hearted, authentic person she is! Bless her for speaking the TRUTH! God is ALL love. God created us all differently. To the best of my knowledge, He did not create each of his 7 billion children using two "cookie cutters": One All male. The other All female. What an insult to say he created all those billions of individuals without any diversity whatsoever!!
I see many comments here from ppl that are so ready to throw the first judgy stone.
they always flock here to further prove us right about what the church is teaching.
You made a good determination when you said God is love.❤
This is what Heather Daybell said about her son being gay and the church denied him church membership unless he lived a celebate life. Heather said she left the church of LDS because of the lies they tell its gay members that they are not worthy if they are loving someone of the same sex. God said love your neighbor.
Powerful
Love you!!!
You got that right 😊😊😊😊❤❤❤❤
AMEN. The church and Christ’s teaching are separate. The church excludes and judges, you don’t have to be a part of that to follow Christ. And I’m so sorry for all of you who feel you have to make the choice to stay or leave Christ. YOU DONT. You may leave the church and god will love you unconditionally. You will have happiness. You will have true acceptance of yourself and not weight or shame to carry. You are important. ❤
May the Goddess bless you and your family. This is a lonely path for all families and members of the LGBTQ+ families. Please know you aren't alone! Blessings to you all!
The most convoluted logic I've ever seen
They are there. I have sat next to them. I have been friends with them. They just don’t openly shout their preferences. Everyone is loved and should be welcomed. Christ loves everyone.
The reason you don’t see many lgbt in sacrament is because they didn’t come. It’s their choice. It’s that simple. Has nothing to do with anything else.
God doesn't care about what we look like but He cares about what we do.
which is fair, as long as he keeps his nose out of the love life of two consenting adults.
I remember ,back when I was an LDS member , the policy towards those with dark skin (especially African Americans) could Not hold the priesthood go to the Temple sevre an honorable mission etc .
That didn't change until many years later.
Probably won't happen soon for the LGTBQ Community.
At least Not in our lifetime
she is right. God is love. Stop putting human characteristics on a higher power that we call God. God is not a former human.
God's kingdom is extremely organized
Pretty sure she meant LGBT people who are OPENLY LGBT.
therein lies it's own problem. the only open ones are the ones who are deluded into believing that they'll be happy living the church's rules against who they are. this is why her son left.
Good is love. God is there. You only image that he's not there for your own concurrence. You removed yourself. Good is pleading for you to return.
Where?
Jesus loves us! Cling to Jesus, no matter what ✝️ love is patient and kind. Love rejoices in the truth
We have in our ward and stake, welcome all.
I'm a lesbian and I've had to hide amongst church members all my life. And that's why I don't believe in any organised religion ♥️
God is love is just that people have their own choices bec they wanted to follow their own mind..
god is not love if he creates people, then tells them they can't be themselves. he's just abusive.
How can anyone say “God is not here”?
God is omnipresent, He is everywhere.
Secondly, “sitting in a church “ is same as sitting in a garage; you don’t become a car, by just sitting in a garage.
But, about “sitting in a church “ , there are many who are sitting in a church and criticizing God, while sitting in a church.
I’m not Mormon or ex Mormon but I am a newborn Christian and God has mercy on, whom He has mercy on.
Meaning this; even in LGBT community there might be individuals who belongs to God; they just don’t know it yet.
Straight is not the goal, marriage is not the goal. Holiness is the goal.
Yet again, I’m not more holy than anyone else, so just thank God if you are given the free gift of faith in the blood of Jesus Christ.
Gosh..she meant someone openly living a gay life, not that the appearance is different. Why twisting everything all the time?
How do you know who someone sleeps with when you observe them sitting in church?
Maybe because gay couples sit together in church???? Maybe because you know the people in your ward who you interact with every week????? Maybe because Mormons gossip?????
It's their choice. They chose not to attend.
All people are gods children even lgbtq+ people I’m sure he will make sure they feel welcome at church they’re his family too
There is no god, we are just one day at a time.
In the end I think everyone is capable of choosing where they want to belong
but they can't choose how they feel, and they shouldn't have to ignore feelings regarding who they love (with consent on both sides) or how they choose to present themselves in regards to gender.
Maybe they were afraid or was ashamed because they knew how they were living was not pleasing to our Heavenly Father.maybe when they were around if someone just one person went out of their way to be kno d and charitable to them they would of returned. And maybe they were There and you just didn’t know it.Gif is everywhere do not forget that . We all need to have our love and spirit in sink with our God .I hope you haven’t used this as an excuse to stop going to church God bless you an give to strength to continue to do what’s right.
how they were living is not pleasing to heavenly father? that's his problem, not theirs.
I don’t know much about this woman’s story as I’ve only seen this short, but I can understand how she feels based on her statement. Although I am ex LDS I do think she is misguided. Maybe that’s not the best word, but what I mean is, “ when she says she looked around and didn’t see any LGBTQ+ people there or that they were hiding”, I think it is kind of offensive as it implies. They should stand out and I’m guessing be flamboyant for you to recognize them. I don’t believe somebody’s sexuality is always at the forefront and noticeable to everyone in the same way that are political affiliations aren’t and many other things that people tend to try and identify themselves with. I don’t think she meant to be offensive and I’m definitely not a social justice warrior. But I just wanted to point out that at the LDS church and many other churches in the world people of the LGBTQ plus community are welcome with some churches being exceptions as they are hateful and wish death on these people. Because one thing to understand is whether or not you’re living a sinful life through homosexual acts lusting after others, indulging in pornography, being unfaithful to partner and committing adultery and etc. these are all wrong, but this is not mean that people shouldn’t be welcomed or go to a church. And depending on whether or not people are aware of your sins, it may cause shame, and you may feel unwanted and like you’re not welcome, but that is how anyone would feel in that environment when they have been rebelling against God. I think it’s important to remember Satan wants us to think we should feel ashamed and we should hold onto it and that we should just give up and not trying reform ourselves and allow God to shape us. giving yourself to him is not easy and it’s a process and it’s different for everyone. As the last caveat, I think there are exceptions and there are people who are genuinely rude, hateful, and ugly to one another and God and Jesus Christ are not OK with that and we will all have to answer for our actions when our time comes.
Sorry...but I will be very blunt here... I feel its interesting that you found something wrong about the church after you were approached about a book regarding your experience as a mother of a famous LGBTQ person and his experience ? As a bishop there were three LBGTQ members in my ward, they had callings and even held temple recommends. They understood the covenant they made with Heavenly Father and remained faithful to their testimony. And you know what...they looked no different than any other member, no different than any other brother or sister that I have known throughout my life in the church. I loved them because they were my brothers and sister and because God loved them. But, they understood the Plan of Salvation, they trusted that if they remained faithful to their covenant, every promise and blessing would be given them after this life ! They understood that God loved them. Yes, even straight people have to remain faithful. They get no free passes. They also need to abide by God's Laws !
if youre a bishop im sorry but youre sick. i grew up in a mormon church. its shitty. yall arent accepting of fucking anyone.
And so they were treated equally and could marry whom they chose even of the same sex and received all the Covenants as the Straight people. For God loved all his Children equally and saw no fault in them. Amen.
she's speaking out now because she has a platform. you don't know how she processed everything. judgey much?
The creator and Jesus are love. That god of the bible that did the unspeakable was a fallen one.
Careful what your reading
My favorite part of the whole interview. If only all mormon parents could see this.
She is amazing. Only an amazing person can spot a BLTGQ+ from just looking at them. I can't.
BLT!😂
They’re not gonna be sitting there with a sign saying “LGBTQ Person”
i'm pretty sure she just means that out of the people she's known for years, why isn't it more open? we all know it's a big deal if someone is known to be lgbtq+ at church, but why? why does everyone have to assume that anyone who doesn't speak out is straight? why do people have to be afraid to speak out?
This is why religion is such a terrible concept.
Did you ever look for LGBTQ+ in church before David came out as gay? Just wondering.
It sounds like you're passing judgment. I can't tell if someone is gay, an alcoholic, has an addiction of some sort, or any sinful behavior while sitting by him/her in church or out in the public.
God loves all his children. He can't condone sin. If He did He would cease to be God. Hence, there are consequences if one violates His commandments. The worst being, in my opinion, His spirit ceases to be with him/her. I have personally experienced this happen to me.
It's not a sin to be gay. It's a sin if one acts upon his/her lusts with one of the same sex.
BTW I have always enjoyed David's music. I have been a fan since the American Idol days. Did I stop being a fan when he came out as gay? No! God's love for him didn't stop either. I'm pretty sure.❤
you're equating problematic behaviors with sexuality, which is a glaring sign of homophobia. maybe she didn't think about it until her son came out because it just wasn't something she had real experience with before then. things change when someone close to you comes out.
she just wants to see a space where her son and others feel safe expressing affection as much as they would in a heterosexual relationship.
They were there
I am glad people are realizing that Christianity, religions in general corrupted the word "GOD ". The true God is love, where there is no judgment, no punishment, and it doesn't live in churches or temples.
You say brown skin, but that literally was. The church's past
Race and sexual perversion are two totally different things. I agree , God is not there.
God is in one's heart.
and their definition of sexual perversion is just as twisted as racism- no, i'm not getting into the acts done in the name of racism, i'm just saying that they're both wrong for mistreating people for harmless things that they were born with.
Is there some way that LGBTQ...people stand out in a crowd? Could they be there and no one knows?
Are they supposed to wear “I’m Gay” hats to church?
You generally know everyone who’s in your ward. Trust me. Word gets around if someone is lgbt
OMG how can she tell if someone is gay by looking at them?!!
How would she know? I mean how would she identify seeing lgbtq people?
i'm pretty sure she just means that out of the people she's known for years, why isn't it more open? we all know it's a big deal if someone is known to be lgbtq+ at church, but why? why does everyone have to assume that anyone who doesn't speak out is straight? why do people have to be afraid to speak out?
All sinners are loved by God. All people sitting in church pews are sinners. Some are sinners saved by grace bc they have recognized their sins and REPENTED or TURNED FROM their Sin and accepted Jesus free gift of salvation. LGBTQ wants to be openly sinning in God face and not repent. They want to mock God. A true repent person will do what God says even when they don't want to . A true follower will sacrifice their earthly desire for God's desire.
there's literally nothing wrong with being lgbtq+. anyone who really cares about what's between someone's legs and how they dress themselves, or how two consenting adults are in a relationship, that's the fault of the bigot, not the judged.
you're a much bigger pervert for caring about two people with the same genitals getting busy than they are for getting busy with each other.
Wow - intelligent content y'all are putting out these days. God loves everyone.... except these people who don't love everyone. Those people can't have God.
Also, this is like going to a butcher shop and saying "I've never seen a vegan here...". The whole Family Proclamation thing kind of says "hey, we don't agree with the LGBTQ's" - meaning they're unlikely to want to attend a congregation. It's weird you would see this as a problem. Everyone has to agree.... with ME!
Thank you for saying this. I was thinking the same thing.
It's nice to find someone with a brain in the comment section.
That's what she's saying the problem is. God supposedly loving and welcoming everyone doesn't mix well with your admission that the church excludes LGBTQ+ people.
@@jmut714 what do you think LGBTQ+ people are? Are you born with no control over your sexual emotions, thoughts, actions, inclinations, orientation? LGBTQ+ is a choice and a lifestyle - or a series of them more accurately. They have chosen a life that doesn't agree with what LDS teachings say leads to happiness. Who wants to go to church every week to "worship" a God they either don't believe or at least refuse to listen to? Go invent your own God. Become a humanist. Reject the Judeo-Christian values and God and try to invent your own sub structure for a moral society. Plenty of people are.
The part that's really mind blowing-ly ignorant and blind is that everyone with your tone is saying "hey, you people are wrong for thinking LGBTQ+ people are wrong... we demand you conform your beliefs so that their beliefs fit better into them." Society is more accepting of LGBTQ+ ideals than ever - how's that working out? Time will tell. Place your faith where you think is wise. How is this so complicated to you?
she's saying she wants to see a safe space for same sex couples. she wants to see people like her son feeling safe enough to express affection with a same sex partner, just like straight couples do.
@@chlyri yeah, it's called your bedroom.
they think its a choice.
Maybe you see them but they have chosen to follow God and not embrace their LGBTQ feelings. People to turn away from those desires to follow Christ just as straight people Turn away from desires to follow Christ.
How sad! That made no sense at all. God loves his children but no unclean thing can inherit the kingdom of God. What foolishness from this women.
I never understand how race and gay are comparable. did you choose to be latino? gay is a choice. God does not temp.
no, gay isn't a choice. that's just your ignorance.
I didn’t know people looked different because of sexual preference.
I have family and friends who are gay and go to Church each Sunday. Everybody in their congregation know they are gay and still they are loved and accepted. I think they get even more love and supported because people want to lift them up and keep them coming. And you are right - they look like everyone else. This woman seems to be projecting her own bigotry on others.
Right? We shouldn't be looking for a difference in what people look like
You’d see them sitting with their significant other like all the heterosexual couples sitting in the pews. If an LGBTQ person is sitting in a pew, they’re alone. It’s the only way the church will allow them to participate.
She's not saying they look different. She's saying she doesn't see them there.
Y'all are reaching for something to be offended by and it's silly.
@@jmut714it's the other way around. She's being offended by a thing that she can't see, a thing that might not even exist.
It is wrong to "be gay".
no, it isn't. you can't give me one good reason why it is.
@@chlyri God said all sexual immorality is wrong. Fornication, adultery, homosexuality and more. Evil is just a perversion of good. Lieing is not telling the truth, coveting is not being satisfied with what God gave you, sexual immorality is going against who God made us. We arnt, as humans, designed to be in a same sex relationship. It doesn't fit.
How would you know who someone is there? Why would they have to advertise it for you? You’re the one being judgemental and hateful here. I’m certain there are many in that community in our midst and more power to them.
watch the whole episode, but no, you're being judgmental here.
how many straight couples do you think she spots in a quick glance? why can't she see even a fraction of same sex couples acting the same way? because they know they aren't really safe there. she wants a space where same sex pairs can be just as open as straight ones.
agh
Wait a minute. How do you know what a LGBT member looks like? That's crazy!!! I don't get that question she asked. Geeze. Trust me. They're around us but they are no different looking than you and I. We should not be assuming anyone looks different because of their sexual orientation. It's these kind of comments that divide.
How do you know someone is in a straight relationship? They sit together at church. Plus you know the majority of people in your ward. She’s not saying they look different.
It’s the fact that no one feels safe enough to be open about it. That’s why you wouldn’t know.
Watch the whole podcast
Shes not saying anything about anyone's looks. She's saying in her wards no one is openly gay.
They are SIN
You are sin.
What is SIN?
That would be you
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Sin Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster
noun (1) ˈsin Synonyms of sin 1 a : an offense against religious or moral law b : an action that is or is felt to be highly reprehensible it's a sin to waste food c : an often serious shortcoming : fault 2 a : transgression of the law of God b : a vitiated state of human nature in which the self is estranged from God sin 2 of 4 verb sin
A twisted brain thinking based on fallacies
Who are you talking about? Your comment is very vague.
You sound like Jodi Hildebrand lmao
Your religion is based on hate, and your heart holds nothing but hate. It must be so exhausting. God doesn't make mistakes, including making people LGBTQ+
@@Plethoralityit means: How does she know who someone sleeps with when she observes them sitting in church?
@@laurasalo6160 she doesn't, but she can get an inkling with who's safe expressing their attractions by seeing who's rubbing backs, wrapping arms around shoulders, and holding hands just like the straight couples do. same sex couples should get to do that just as much.
@@chlyriah, point taken.
Even if the entire world decides to follow satan , the lord is not going to change the rules . 45 years going down the drain. You had the call but never chosen.
then satan is the better choice. if your god can't accept two consenting adults in a relationship, he's oppressive. satan honestly seems more honest and trustworthy.
There you go , then follow satan , you already there anyway. Repent before is to late .
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