Here's how California's first 'turbo roundabout' works
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- Опубликовано: 3 янв 2024
- Drivers in San Benito County are navigating through a new and innovative 'turbo' roundabout at the intersection of Highways 25 and 156, between Gilroy and Hollister. Here's how to use it: abc7ne.ws/3vwv02X
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Most people can't handle a regular roundabout and now you throw a "turbo" roundabout at them. What could go wrong?
Regular roundabouts are like a puzzle to many drivers 😂
Seems like people can't handle a regular intersection either with all the collisions and fatalities.
Yea, let’s give people more instructions while they navigate a maze of intertwining vehicles and lanes all while turning…
Might aswell call it a blender🤣
Get good.
the only problem I see with this round about is that if you take the wrong lane you'll end up in the wrong road, where as on a regular round about if you miss your road just keep goin around till it comes around again.
So, not paying attention is the fault of the infrastructure and not of the driver?????
If you pick correctly on a turbo roundabout before even going on the roundabout, you physically can't miss your exit. And it's easy to remember: left lane goes left. The middle lane is for straight ahead. Right lane goes right. Honestly how hard can it be.
@BiteBolt_77 You give Americans too much credit. They are not the brightest of the species 😂😂😂😂
If you have to change lanes in a modern roundabout it means you entered in the wrong lane. Modern roundabouts don't let you go around and around like a rotary. You have to exit. Turbos just add curbs so drivers that are not paying attention to the lane use signs have to follow the required path.
@@BiteBolt_77you are incorrect sir,. Left lane goes left AND straight, middle lane goes straight AND right, right lanes goes ONLY right.
How hard can it be?
@@jbright97 You're trying to be a pompous dimwit. I didn't say it ONLY went in 1 certain direction. But in general the left lane goes left, the middle lane goes straight and the right lane goes right.
As someone who hits this roundabout nearly every weekday, it is WAY faster than the old intersection, and safer too. Sure there are crashes there, but there were more with the old intersection. Not to mention, it's pretty simplistic too.
I drive it several times a week I have to admit it’s a little scary it’s huge
The news report gave almost no details on how to use it. It helpful.
Pick a lane, drive in a circle till you exit....not the hard
A 3 inch barrier isn't going to help anyone when someone freaks out and "misses their turn" and either stop completely to clump over or just drives over them (trucks more so than cars I'm sure). If there's anything I've learned in 30 years in driving is most people can't accept "I'll take the next turn and double back" it's "I need to get off here, now, that is non-negotiable"
yes. a good driver sometimes misses their exit but a bad driver never misses their exit
Add to this the drivers who realize the lane choice mistake before entering the roundabout, and blocking two or more lanes leading up to it. Perhaps the ground barriers need to be raised to about nine inches.
@@jeffreeves1567 If people can't deal with sorting into a lane, how do they negotiate any interchange?
You really can't take the next turn and double back anyway. Every one of these roads doesn't have a place to turn around for several miles.
They need to post the instructions for this a mile before you get to it, not "HEY BUDDY WELCOME TO THIS THING YOU NEVER SAW BEFORE LOOK HERE'S A LANE HAHA GOOD LUCK"
The great thing about roundabouts is that it also reduces the severity of collisions. People are still going to collid, but at a lower rate and at a reduced severity.
we just need more roundabouts so people get used to them, they are not hard to use but people dont see enough to actually practice. also add roundabouts to the driving tests
If its not tested in the DMV driver test then no one is going to know how to deal with this
😂...it's 2 lanes ...punch it margret...lets drift.
i think us CA drivers should have refresher or gen familiarization courses via computer for new situations like this and new laws. all the green bike lanes came out of the blue will no explanation to the public.
Well you could just watch this less than 2 minute video. We already stare at our phones anyway.
If people need a retest for every new thing instead of using common sense, then maybe they shouldn't be driving..
Roundabouts are apparently safer because of the confusion, since it makes people drive slower and more aware
At first glance this looked like a terrible idea, but having the curbs in the roundabout to guide people seems like it should make this pretty straightforward.
The only major issue I see is the occasional moron who stops _in_ the roundabout is now going to cause a potentially much bigger/dangerous pileup behind them without good evasive options because of the curbs.
Besides the "regular" roundabouts, there are about 300 turbo roundabouts here in The Netherlands.
About the turbo roundabout:
The turbo roundabout is a specific kind of spiralling roundabout that was developed in The Netherlands in 1996 by Mr. L.G.H. Fortuijn, a lecturer at the Delft University of Technology and member of the Board of Economy and Transport in the province of South Holland.
There is also in Aruba 🇦🇼
I knew the top comment would be a European taking credit for this before I even clicked. 😂
People come here for news on when it will open, how it will work, etc., not to learn that the inventor of an intersection is Dutch.
We're slowly catching up... The rest of the US doesnt' even have basic roundabouts at major intersections. We only really use them in neighborhoods and driveways.
Thank you to the creator. Not all us yanks are jealous
Didn’t explain in detail how it works. The 3” berms are going to ruin a lot of tires. That’s a guarantee
Just follow your lane to the exit
You're not supposed to drive over the berms
its just forces you to choose where you're going before you enter the round about
Roundabouts do make good launchpads, and are very entertaining here on YT.
The only way it will actually work the way they want it to is if there are concrete barriers between lanes making it impossible to change lanes once you're in them. Otherwise some people will try anyway. Look at how people get into and out of HOV lanes illegally in between entrances and exits. At least they do where I've seen them used in California and Texas.
yes. not just curbs, it has to be higher concrete barriers.
curbs will cause accidents. people in the wrong lane will dead stop then cross over them.
Is east Palo Alto tried this on their main street last year and it didn’t last long
I absolutely love how this is a 1 to 1 copy of the turbo-roundabout invented by the Netherlands. I'm glad to see atleast sometimes things can be copied from Europe without feeling the need to change it.
hjello. im just a kid here. i want to know do your read all the mutc manual (if you want to drive in the us) or not?
We have something similar in the UK, called a gyratory roundabout however they don't have physical lane dividers and only real road geeks would know it's called a gyratory roundabout.
What's the speed limit in this thing? Slow, simple roundabouts, like the one in Meyers (Lake Tahoe) seem adequate, but this complicated version looks like a lot of wrecks going somewhere to happen.
It's 20 MPH if ur inside the traffic circle junction
There's one of those in Willard, MO that has been there for years. This is definitely not the second one.
We're used to roundabouts. Here in Cornwall, we have double roundabouts. We don't have our lanes divided, nothing and we give way to the cars on the right that are wanting to pull out onto the roundabouts or double roundabouts, this turbo one being built is going the exact way that I'd done here, would leave you in a head on collision.
SPUI says "hold my beer"
Good Idea only place great signage a mile ahead of entrance from all sides helping folks to become aware and get in position when traffic permits.
Thank you for showing exactly how this round about works. This reporter needs to be nominated for emmy
Sarcasm?
@@bigedslobotomy Sheldon?
No, you need driving lessons to everyone first. 16 years old and having a parent teach you IS NOT A GOOD THING! Moronic springs to mind with that system. It is, once again, Madness Inc. made in the USA.
When they forst put up the barriers and i didnt expect it i was forced to go right onto the wrong road. This made me have to make a uturn down thecroad and i was so thankful this was one of the very rare times there wasnt alit of traffic.
If you have to change lanes in a modern roundabout it means you entered in the wrong lane. Turbos just add curbs so drivers that are not paying attention to the lane use signs have to follow the required path.
That looks like a nightmare to drive through.
I love how CalTrans is confident that California drivers are even mentally capable of comprehending the concept of the standard roundabout. Now you want to introduce the "Turbo Roundabout"? Yeah, good luck with that.
As a Californian, I approve this comment.
It's funny to see all these Americans freak out about this design, when at the same time on a Dutch round about you get a bonus bicycle lane that has right of way all the time 🤣🤣🤣
And sometimes with bicycle and pedestrian traffic allowed in both clockwise and anti-clockwise directions.
About time! Europe has been using roundabouts since the 1970s! I rarely see any traffic lights and when I do, there is traffic. These roundabouts reduce traffic jam so much! Very efficient.
Um, both Europe and America have been using roundabouts since the early 1900s -- not 1970s. Some of the earliest ones were in Washington, D.C.
@@leafbelly While you're not wrong, roundabouts are still quite rare in the US except for a few select areas. Many Americans will go their whole lives without ever encountering one.
Indeed. I am an Army brat and was in the Army for ten years. I traveled and lived in 5 different states and I didn't run into one until I moved to Germany.
@@notisac3149 True,but they are getting more and more popular across the country.
What needs to be done is a proper overpass constructed. People's safety is not where you need to be cheap.
Hollister had a horribly dangerous intersection at 152/156. The millions of people that've driven through there can attest to how life threatening it was for... idk....40 years. It took a heartbreaking gruesome accident to finally cause an overpass to be built to accommodate the increased traffic flow.
Hollister has another horrible intersection at 156/Union/Mitchell Road. This one isn't particularly dangerous, but it can take an hour to get across it.
Hollister is landlocked in a bit by inefficient roadways. We need to learn from things like the Paradise Fire.
I've seen so many horrendous accidents at 25/156...
One of these days we'll be hearing about a semi plowing through that intersection, flying through the air, and causing a huge mess. Not if, but when. Overpass is the real answer. The turbo roundabout is a huge waste of money and wasted time in delays.
Overpass is what the people want.
Can't make a u turn.
I've seen people turn left at the entry.
Everyone switches lanes in the thing.
It's all bad bad bad.
The correct answer for 2 large highways interesting would be an overpass. Especially for the volume of traffic this place sees.
There's the mini roundabout by south bay costco and I see dumb drivers stop completely for no freaking reason. People have no idea for roundabout you approach, yield if there's traffic otherwise you cautiously merge into traffic and DON'T stop for no reason.
Costco at Coleman?
Surprised California didn't have any of these before. I've seen them in Georgia and even Alabama.
Alabama has regular roundabouts; we do not have a “turbo” roundabout. The video said this is the second in the country.
Berkeley residential roundabouts have 4 way stop signs, so if them “smart people” can’t figure out a simple roundabout, you think them country folk are going to be able to figure out a TURBO roundabout!
These country folk are educated.
Bet the farmers are stoked! Seems money could be useful elsewhere. That's California for you.
Would be fine if it wasn’t for the lane dividers cuz of stupid drivers
You are so far behind the curve. Round abouts are very easy to use just give way to traffic on your left. Getting rid of stop signs will be a start too. Replacing with roundabouts keeps traffic flowing reducing the ridiculous congestion. And may consider have off ramps before the on ramps as all of them are to small. Adding further guidelines like if your merging onto a freeway from another people already on the freeway should change to second lane before the junction so people merging dont have to worry about people speeding up there ass.
Where I live roundabouts are everywhere, and even I didn't know you were supposed to give way to the left.
Thank you for telling me this. I will be sure to do this from now on.
Kind regards,
A resident of Great Britain.
@ExtantThylacine if in the US you drive on the right side so coming upto roundabouts you have to give way to the left. In the UK you give way to the right. As someone who has now moved to the US from the UK i am correct. Trying to be clever about my give way to the left statement and pointing out you are from the UK, you have made yourself look stupid.
Looks fun and innovative. Will check it out on my next trip to the outlets.
So..just one question... how is this going to relieve congestion if there's heavy traffic in the roundabout, aren't cars, trucks, whatever coming on have to stop to get in especially if the lane they need is the inside ramp? I drove many roundabouts in England while stationed there, after a couple of times they were a snap. This one, wow!
Roundabouts are one of the easiest types of intersections to navigate although this one looks a tad more confusing at first just like the diverging diamond intersection style. But I get why they do it!
This seems like its trying to "fix stupid" by making it more complex.
Looks pretty straightforward except... how do you do a U-turn?
you don't.
You can't.
I've seen many people take lefts at the entry.
@@scottmbatson Some will. Rules are made to be broken in the US. And more often than not, the judge will take sympathy and criticize the designers for being stupid.
Most turbo roundabouts I've seen allow you to choose the innermost lane and exit at the last exit to do a u-turn. It looks like this one does not.
Bad idea. Drivers will change lanes in the roundabout and cut off cars, and change back depending on where they want to go. There will be more collisions but they will take place at lower speeds.
That is what the 3" barrier is for...it is bascially a curb between lanes. There will be consequences to your car if you hit that curb.
@@DaBinChe not high enough. people in wrong lanes will stop and go over it. 1 foot barrier
@emmanuelvacakis4463 But why would they change lanes if they have already chosen the lane they need? It is not rocket-science.
@@htimsid bad drivers are not logical drivers. Bad drivers are never satisfied with any lane they drive in.
We’ve had these in Wisconsin for about a decade now and there are hundreds of them. Surprised California doesn’t have a bunch already.
We do, tho not as much per capita as WI (I am from Oshkosh, and travel back and forth from CA often). The difference here is some berms for lane division, and a spiraling aspect to the outer lanes.
They should have built an overcharge, people can't figure out roundabouts.
I had a car hit me in this roundabout yesterday now I have a broken bone. because the other party did not stop and I see people stoping and letting the people in to the roundabout and rear ended. (DMV SHOUD TEACH PEOPLE HOW TO DRIVE IN AND OUT OF ROUNDABOUTS) there's no signaling to exit, I am European and we have tones of roundabouts you signal to exit. Not here.
I am willing to bet this will create more traffic and more collisions.
It's just bc y'all potatoes doesn't know how to use it in my country we have a lot of roundabouts and here we never get accidents in roundabouts
@robloxlovera6362 exactly what I mean. In that area they don't know how to drive.
@@robloxlovera6362we have them here too in some states, it’s not hard but some people here hate them.
So how do you make a u turn
@@TheMW2informer Who cares, more and more round abouts are being built across the country.Dallas,TX had only two but are now planning to put them everywhere,same with divergent high ways.
It would be nice if they’d explained how the turbo-bouts worked. They should set up bleachers for spectators to watch the turbo-bout-circus.
As others have said people can't handle a regular or know the a round about works. Just cause it looks good on paper doesn't mean it will work.
Traffic signals are an excellent example of this logic. They're proven ten times as risky as roundabouts for fatal crashes.
they'll probably call it a "doughnut clock" or something like that 😂
I dont know why people are freaking out its pretty much the same as any normal roundabout
Because a lot of Americans aren't used to roundabouts so they make up bs arguments because: "people don't understand roundabouts"
Im living in th EU and ive never seen a roundabout on a highway anywhere lol
Round-a-bout, WTF? Now Traffic Circles are a nightmare. They work when you are in a low volume traffic area, but higher traffic areas need an interchange, not a "horse-and-buggy" traffic circle!
No worse than roundabouts in other countries. It's pretty straightforward.
Reminds me of mice in a maze. And note the mice keep trying every way possible. :)
"Slow Traffic Move Over"
Well, welcome to the turbo roundabout from Canada. You'll love it. Add some "new" drivers from around the world who can't/don't read signs and you'll have a bang up of a time! Since I work in an area with many "new" drivers, I have a pro tip. they don't understand anything but red. That means if there is no red stop sign or red light, they will proceed without caution. Flashing yellow lights, people doing jumping jacks in Hi Vis orange suits screaming "STOP", police cars with flashing lights, orange cones, fire trucks, ambulances, a huge crater with an alien space ship sticking out of it on fire... No red light? Then it means go. No they can't read.
Now imagine them at the roundabout. I've already seen collisons and fist fights. Good luck.
Yes, it'll reduces severity. Instead of head-on collisions and t-bones, there'll be side swipes.
Say that to an insurance adjuster. I dare you, double dare you.
There's no lane changes in the roundabout. That's the key. Choosing the lane before entering the roundabout actually dumbs it down for US drivers. It's brilliant.
Roundabouts only work if it is paired with road diets and good public transit. This is why Europe's roundabouts seem not as conjested seeing European Transit. Not more turbo car lanes and unsafe "sidewalks" unprotected from "turbo cars" and zero bike lanes on or over the roundabout and for god sake no CROSSWALKS and bus lanes within the roundabout. With induced demand; this seems like a shitty investment from a shitty transit agency as always.
Australia too same
The story is titled how the turbo roundabout works, but they barely even talk about how it actually works lol
California, w t h is up with you?
no more traffic lights
HELL YEAH!!! ITS TURBO TIME BABY!!!
Its easier to read a sign going straight, but in roundabout you cant look anywhere but in front.
There will be signs on the approach roads above each entry lane. Get in the one with your destination listed and then exit the roundabout at the sign in front of you with that same destination. People learn, even though the first one may confuse the newbies.
Seems like that'll make more accidents lol.
Same here. Will have to wait for the actual number.
@@Vbn1313 they’ll never admit to it though.
Reading this comment section ....
Nha leave it.
I get that this is meant to make it easier for Americans to understand but clearly limiting people is also going to cause accidents... Just teach them in driving school ...
This is not gonna go well lol
News reporter: should discourage drivers on making lane changes...
Me: you can't always bet on humanities common sense
Why not the normal and easy to understand overpass/underpass? This seems overly complicated and confusing.
These junctions are cheaper.
An overpass would cost 7-10 times as much.
The correct answer for 2 large highways interesting would be an overpass. Especially for the volume of traffic this place sees.
Cost vs lives.
They are now reporting a bunch of accidents. I don't know if I can post the link here but search RUclips for story title "Several crashes reported, two weeks after grand opening of turbo roundabout" by KSBW Action News 8 posted 3/1/2024.
@@metallus2 fender benders or injury? Fender benders are so underreported they are often ignored. Eliminating injury and fatal crashes is what matters most with the limited revenue available to work on the problem.
Lol, 'Turbo roundabout' aka normal roundabout but with kids rails, like in bowling, for ppl who don't know how to use roundabouts.
Ehm no, a turbo roundabout is significantly different. A regular roundabout has one or more circular lanes that go all the way around (you can keep looping the roundabout if you'd want to), a turbo roundabout has lanes that spiral outward and exit the roundabout, which is why you need to sort into the right lane before entering the roundabout.
@@MatthijsvanDuin Ehm no, normal roundabouts have lanes that you can’t keep looping around in and force you to exit. I’m guessing you are one of the ppl new to roundabouts, which is ok but don’t speak so confidently about it when you are so incorrect lol. “Turbo” roundabouts are just normal roundabouts in function but extra stupid proof and with a stupid name.
@@MrBaller4Life14 I'm dutch, I've regularly seen roundabouts my whole life. They all have an uninterrupted circle as innermost lane unless it's a turbo roundabout or it has restrictions on which flows are possible. I don't see any non-turbo roundabout depicted on the wikipedia page for "Roundabout" that lacks an uninterrupted inner circle. I do see a few which have road markings that _suggest_ an interruption that doesn't reflect practical reality, e.g. the "The Hotel Indonesia Roundabout" near the top of the page is a particularly egregious example of that.
Looks confusing!
Only good for moderate volume of traffic.
It’s pretty boonie location
@@AliasHSW
Did you not hear? It's growing immensely. Most bay area drivers come in from outlier counties. A 25 mile commute through there can be 1-3 hours. An overpass is the correct answer for 2 large freeways intersecting.
@@xmo552 - this is cheaper and quicker to build than an overpass system of bridges - especially specific to that location with the San Andreas Fault and the fault lines in very close proximity to each other and freeways.
@@AliasHSW
Bridges and overpasses can be built to move and swing. There's an overpass at 152/156 btw.
The Golden Gate, Bay Bridge and a bunch of others in the SF Bay Area are all built in an area full of fault lines.
@@xmo552 - true. However in construction time is money plus the cost of structural engineering and environmental engineering and environmental impact reports, legal…easily the bill 💵 is 10x. Then there are the operating costs in maintenance of the structures once they are built.
So a spiral roundabout
This Is A Horrible Idea People Cant Even Get A Regular Round About Right😅
Maybe they should stop giving out driving licenses out like candy then.
🎯🎯🎯
That's actually why they made the roundabout like this. So dumb people can't do anything wrong (if the curb was higher...)
And there will be turbo crashes 😂😅
misleading title, how the turbo roundabout works, there was nothing in this video on how it works
Innovative my ass, this thing is complete hell. I’ve driven it several times. HELL
Today on May 29 2023 we just used the new turbo roundabout and the problem is people don't know what yelled means and just keep driving instead of yielding they just drive erratically. If people slowed down and drove more cautiously and shared the roundabout rightly it would run smoother. People are idiots
I drive this everyday and the over a year it took to make this roundabout. making a 20 minute commute to an hour won’t make up those 5 minutes you gain from not having a light instead
I hate roundabouts. I missed my exit on one in Colorado without realizing and accidentally took the one going the wrong way on the interstate and was stuck going the wrong direction for several miles until there was another exit. They are confusing if you are not from the area and trying to watch for signs in a short distance while also trying to steer in a curve while staying in your lane, while also watching the cars next to you for crowding into your lane. These are popping up all over as the new in thing, sometimes 2 of these in one block which is ridiculously confusing if you are not familiar with the area. We ran into them in weird places far from cities our last trip, and no idea why somebody decided they were an improvement for a normal intersection. It might make sense for an odd configuration, like a sharp angle or multiple crossings of busy roads, but some places are not made easier with this change.
Its about time UStatians think and focus whiles driving.. until now most just move the car for moving sake... partly due to road layout being so simple... with these twists and turn drivers will have to pay real attention to other drivers.. welcome to Europe
Not a bad driver by any means but this looks confusing as hell not having seen this video and if I were approaching at 70 miles a hour. Fearful for future collisions
The simple answer is you shouldn't be approaching a roundabout at 70mph!
@@astrecks I get that but everyone drives fast on this highways and in the middle of the night or slower hours I feel like this will appear pretty suddenly lol
@@ElPolloTokoMaybe the answer would be rumble strips on the approach to the roundabout. In the UK, these are slightly raised lines across the carriageway which are placed closer together as you close on the roundabout as a physical reminder to slow down.
I'm not sure having raised lane separators is a good idea though. If I miss an exit on a roundabout, I continue around and manoeuvre into the correct lane to exit.
Worst possible intersection to test drive an enormous roundabout
Roundabouts are awesome! They are much, much safer, if not a little to get used to.👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻Good job, California! If only texas wasn’t run by incompetent, corrupt idiots, we might have them, as well.
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Roundabouts are not a widely used road feature in CA. Consequently NO ONE know hows to use them. Now we're going to throw a variation at highway speeds!? Who approved this!? They should be punished by having to sit and watch it for a full month.
California is near the top in states with total number of modern roundabouts. They are easy. Just slow down.
Gotta start somewhere
The correct answer for 2 large highways interesting would be an overpass. Especially for the volume of traffic this place sees.
How much volume. Give us a number. Two lane roundabouts can handle 5,000 vehicles per hour. Your overpass solution costs $50 M, minimum.
@@scottmbatson
Cost over lives. Got it. Our forefathers did better.
Can we add some Billy Idol music? You Spin My Right Round?
Looks like a good spot for them " clown shows" take overs .
Love the burn out tires n overpriced fuel.
Let's go brando.
Let’s come back in 5 years and compare the # of crashes with the turbo roundabout to the 5 years prior to the round about. Welcome to being the guinea pigs in this experiment, drivers. What are the odds this thing eventually gets torn up and traditional flyovers and overpasses are put in. Tried and true.
When traffic slows down CALTRANS gets more money. Always has and always will.
😂😂😂 what a joke. No one in california knows how to drive stright, and you want them yo do this??
1:31 - Caltrans' leak - "Bikers and walkers shell not exist and be executed by turbo traffic cars stuck in Induced Demand traffic."
0:55 - Lane Dividers for cars but no lane dividers for pedestrians and cyclists.
This seems overly complicated
The crap is wayyy more dangerous frfr
I wonder when the traffic lights will come back. California drivers are too impatient and don't follow rules anyway.
I saw roundabouts in the Far East during that skirmish. Cars were just picking their own lines and ignoring the officer standing on a pedestal in the middle of the confusion. We don't need no stinkin lines.
This "Turbo Roundabout" will be upgraded in 2030.
It'll become a "Mega Roundabout" and force everyone into an endless National Lampoon circle jerk while tolling every driver $20 per revolution.
Most people in California can drive on a hot summer day and they are the one on the road . CalTrans are a waste of money these days in Calf,.
Most Cali drivers can't even merge onto the freeway properly.
Good thing modern roundabouts are not a merge.
dont worry american drivers will screw it up. people wont yield to traffic already in circle.
😂...at this point of bidens installation...who is actually an American?
How did they fuck up a simple roundabout?!
A great place to go and watch Americans try and navigate a roundabout. Welcome to the globalization of Commiefornia.