So, something I should have tested for this video is the interaction between the 10% damage penalty and 25% damage bonus...I didn't, and frankly there is no excuse. Since these damage modifiers interact multiplicatively, it's not a 15% damage bonus, it's 12.5% damage bonus on burning players. You think I would have thought of that given how passionate I am about proper calculation of damage penalties and resistances. When both the penalty and bonus interact together, incoming damage is multiplied by: (1-0.1)*(1+0.25)=1.125 The difference between a 12.5% damage bonus over stock, and a 15% damage bonus over stock, is fairly insignificant. At point blank range, stock deals 54 damage per bullet. 54*1.125=60.75 (rounds down to 60 for a 12.5% bonus) Compare this with: 54*1.15=62.1 (rounds down to 62 for a 15% bonus). So a difference of 2 damage per bullet. Not that much. At base damage range: 30*1.125=33.75 (rounds down to 33 for a 12.5% bonus) && 30*1.15=34.5 (rounds down to 34 for a 15% bonus). So a difference of one damage per bullet. Also not that much. At maximum falloff, there is no difference between stock and the HLH with either the 12.5% bonus or the 15% bonus, thanks to damage rounding. Both deal 5-10 damage per bullet. So a 12.5% damage bonus and a 15% damage bonus are nearly the same. Sorry I didn't include this in the video, I didn't even cross my mind as I was writing the script.
Thats a really good idea, and a fun one too, the pyro could gas passer a bunch of people and airblast opponents into the ring of fire, tbh ill probably try this
I am now aware that I swapped the labels at 6:14. This is now the only thing people will notice. Can't wait for 600 comments pointing this out. The joys of editing everything on your own.
@@wp6007 the utility of the fire ring is not to prevent a spy from getting a backstab, the spy will get the backstab. The utility of the fire ring is accidentally igniting the spy while he was just trying to get in position. Or you know... making the escape harder.
Don’t use the fire ring as an excuse to not spycheck or check your back. Check like you would while playing any other minigun. If anything, the fact that the spies have to jump means that they have to really commit to the stab. They won’t be able to backpedal or run until they land, and missing will almost surely set them on fire.
@@TienNguyen-dg4xi thank you for finally being a person with any sense of braincells I try to tell people this but somehow they just don't know although it does make kunai spies incredibly salty lol I triggered a spy so hard when I was spychecking and securing his escape with the fire
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Same, but I'm actually just interested in using it since it's on such a similar level as stock and is a different playstyle than heavy's normal one. I never used it much before so it'll be fun to use it for once
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It is so helpful vs scouts and demonights. Scouts loath getting set of fire even when it won't actually kill them so they are less lickly to try to flank and meatshot you even when its still a good idea. They just get intimidated(source i am scout main). Demonights too. Although this is actually kinda a negative. As heavy you kill demoknights endlessly and easily so scaring them away can actually be a bad thing.
@@peterisawesomeplease not if the demoknights are dumb enough to charge a fucking heavy with a minigun, with a meric i erhealing it. the stupidity of some all for the intel. **cough** today cough
@@peterisawesomeplease not if the demoknights are dumb enough to charge a fucking heavy with a minigun, with a meric i erhealing it. the stupidity of some all for the intel. **cough** today cough
@@-aid4084 I mean its not just stupidity though. Even good demo nights do it when they get overconfident. Most people expect bad heavies. So they will run at you hoping you never change where you are looking. But yea after awhile of playing heavy the sound of demo night charges causes a near instantaneous reaction and they all just die. Fair though given the normal demos just wreck you as heavy.
Basically, the huo long heater is a win more item. It makes you better at things you were already good at, and worse at things you weren't the best at.
Excellent points, however I doubt you would have needed to subject and torture yyourself with that much heavy play to come to this conclusion. Having tweaked and buffed this weapon in the balance mod, giving it mini-crit on targets on fire (offset with lower damage to make it do roughly the same damage as official tf2), gives a much better feedback when you are using it right. As well as increased flamering damage (melts demoknights and spies) The damage penalty hardly matters in the big picture, but you will lose more heavy duels with it and miss out on clutch kills where certain targets will live with a tiny sliver of health.
The minicrit change is really nice in the balance mod, since the vanilla version lacks that audio-visual feedback letting you know that you are landing that bonus damage.
The huo-long heater is such an interesting weapon. Probably my favorite of the heavy primaries just because of how unique it is relative to his others.
@@hotmealdotcomma If they fail a stab, they're left without a knife and can't go for trick stabs/try again. Plus, hitreg isn't great. It isn't a mini razorback, just a notable bonus.
The rare occasion where as heavy you can jump down onto some enemies, rev up mid air, setting everyone on fire, and shreding them is one of the most satisfying things in tf2, just behind airblasting a crit pipe into a group
As a Heater-Heavy, I would absolutely love a faster spin-up time to get killing sooner. Addendum: Reduced movement speed penalty while revved would also be useful. This is Heavy's most aggressive primary, so it should allow him to get to places faster than the other miniguns.
I love the heater. Enemies will always get close to you for some dumb reason. Not to mention when you are shredding enemies, the ammo drain isn’t that much of a problem. I would also pair the heater with ether the delicious slab or the surprise assault.
The squareness of the fire ring can be tested on something like TR walkway's sentry room, just lay out 5 engineers in a line and edge towards the middle one while axially aligned, if they all ignite at the same time, it's a square. Edit: Checked myself, it's a circle with zero thickness that is centred at the bottom of the heavy's bounding box where he touches the floor. It checks for hits against the bounding box of the players so the class doesn't matter, but it gives a partial illusion of a square hit area for the ring itself since player bounding boxes are axially aligned. This means that that standing on someone is *just* too high to set them on fire, and any height above the heavy's position is enough to not be in contact with the flames. Also probably worth mentioning that a 10% damage penality doesn't mean too much if you also still have to spend time revving up.
HuoLong heater is good if you have a Pyro buddy, but then again, doesn't every weapon work better if you have a buddy applying extra dps on your targets?
This video got me to use the Huo Long Heater, and honestly it's quite fun to use. The ring of fire punishes people for getting too close (like annoying scouts who go point blank and mess up my tracking) and just sounds friggin cool. I like it.
Honestly I appreciate the fact that you actually use statistics and a large gameplay pool to show your finding instead of just going with previous experience
“Huo-long heater has area denial” So does every minigun ever, that’s the miniguns point. To punish close up enemies. The extra damage doesn’t matter, you shred them with any other minigun up close where the heater is most viable.
I actually really enjoy the huo-long heater, kinda started using it as a joke a few years back and now it and the tomislav are my go to choices. Its great for a more hyper aggressive heavy especially on maps with a lot of places to drop down on a large group of enemies
Y'see, this is actually kinda interesting. Since the way I play Heavy is more like a flank class. I tend to creep around behind the enemy lines then attack, and looking at how things stacked up for the Huo-Long Heater, it actually seems to benefit that playstyle, which I find interesting. I may have to give this weapon another go taking that in mind. Very insightful video!
It's one of the "almost good" weapon for me, the fire ring can be negated by some classes (jump-spamming Scouts and Spys), and the ammo drain is a pain in the ass for a hard commit class. But it's cool for an agressive or suicidal playstyle.
The ammo economy is what kills the weapon. Honestly if it were even slightly more accurate or the conditional damage bonus were more under heavy's control then the weapon would easily rival the tomislav
Let's take this moment to thank Mama Zest, and the name "Chu Chu Yeah!" for a dragon gun is brilliant. Also, this is great stuff. I appreciate the sacrifices you made for our mortal souls and entertainment.
My theory for what causes the HLH to deal more afterburn when active is that the afterburn is coded to count as damage on burning players getting the 25% bonus, and the damage bonus only being active while you're holding it, hence it goes from 4 dmg/tick to 5
I also have a strange one. Stats so far: 3,055 kills 13 posthumous kills 769 burning players killed 112 cloaked spies killed If you're right next to the payload cart, why not? Definitely makes it harder for spies. "But they can jump over the fire ring ". Well, yeah, but it's not like you should just stare straight ahead and never look behind you. The fire ring combined with basic awareness helps. And getting a posthumous kill with it is hilarious.
I... I didn't remember it had damage bonus against burning players. I might give it a chance. I want to play annoying ambush heavy. Maybe with dalohkos bar it will be fun as you are just a bit more tanky.
I will never stop saying that the Huo Long heater should fire a flare like proyectyle every about 12 damage or so dealt, the only thing this proyectyle does is set ppl for after burn at a distance, this makes the heavy way more independant and the heater way more viable
If this thing had a faster It's been up time by just a bit when enemy players are within melee range. I could definitely see this thing being a close range weapon that rewards being in close proximity to dangerous things. Jump in the combat from around a corner into the face of the enemy team while lighting them on fire from the flame effect then getting extra damage to help melt them down and then it's a race between who can win the DPS fight. That's about the only way I see this weapon being good at all.
Well, what a nice surprise that the Heater is at least more viable than I initially thought! I'd likely take stock over Heater, but its good to know in the specific situation where a scout that keeps stealing all the ammo from me and theres a dropped Heater.. Its something. Hope that theres a slight buff for that spinup speed. Would make it stand out more at least.
wtf hes not beating up uncle dane huo long heater's my baby in mvm, free extra damage for hugging robots and no movement penalty, synergizes with a pyro, it's a beaut
Now that we have this video, there is only one more challenge we have for Zesty, comparing every unique non reskinned minigun in one video while using brand new data and applying what you have learned from previous videos and playstyles
The heater does have the advantage of pairing with a flare spamming pyro extremely well. It's also quite good in MvM because when isn't the heavy near the dispenser.
The problem with the Heater is it relies too much on flame damage which Heavy cannot dish out at range. I don't think it should lose this stat, since it creates an interesting synergy between Heavy and Pyro. Instead, it should get another buff.
if only the fire aspect of the Huo-Longheater was changed to be more reliable I can see the Huo-Longheater being op. Like maybe instead of relying on pyros and your own super small ring of fire to get that damage bonus, I can see it performing better that consistently firing the HLH(huo longheater) would heat up the barrel(like how minigun can "overheat" in some games) but when its fully heated up fire would spew out of the barrel(which would let you know that its fully heated up), which then once fully "heated up" would fire bullets that when coming in contact with enemy players they would be lit up in flames as the damage bonus would be 30% instead of 25%. The increase in the damage bonus is because that you'd need to be pretty much spending alot of ammo in order to become "fully heated". Also I imagine that it would get 15% more ammo from ammo crates. so then this gun is pretty much built on constantly firing in order to get that damage buff but can get ammo back more quickly from nearby dispenser/ammo packs or gain a bit more ammo from ammo boxes from killing players.
![[TF2] Bad Weapon Academy: Huo-Long Heater](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/nKf5DXgD-3w/mqdefault.jpg)
So, something I should have tested for this video is the interaction between the 10% damage penalty and 25% damage bonus...I didn't, and frankly there is no excuse.
Since these damage modifiers interact multiplicatively, it's not a 15% damage bonus, it's 12.5% damage bonus on burning players. You think I would have thought of that given how passionate I am about proper calculation of damage penalties and resistances.
When both the penalty and bonus interact together, incoming damage is multiplied by:
(1-0.1)*(1+0.25)=1.125
The difference between a 12.5% damage bonus over stock, and a 15% damage bonus over stock, is fairly insignificant.
At point blank range, stock deals 54 damage per bullet.
54*1.125=60.75 (rounds down to 60 for a 12.5% bonus)
Compare this with:
54*1.15=62.1 (rounds down to 62 for a 15% bonus).
So a difference of 2 damage per bullet. Not that much.
At base damage range:
30*1.125=33.75 (rounds down to 33 for a 12.5% bonus) && 30*1.15=34.5 (rounds down to 34 for a 15% bonus).
So a difference of one damage per bullet. Also not that much.
At maximum falloff, there is no difference between stock and the HLH with either the 12.5% bonus or the 15% bonus, thanks to damage rounding. Both deal 5-10 damage per bullet.
So a 12.5% damage bonus and a 15% damage bonus are nearly the same. Sorry I didn't include this in the video, I didn't even cross my mind as I was writing the script.
Much thinking, brain hurt
I saw numbers and didnt ran all of this
Math
What is your config?
you still did more actual math than everyone else watching this video so it's whatever
Theoretically this is the best weapon to combo with the gas passer. It's the only one that would benefit from bullets starting afterburn.
Thats a really good idea, and a fun one too, the pyro could gas passer a bunch of people and airblast opponents into the ring of fire, tbh ill probably try this
True, but at that point just use the scorch shot since it doesn't take a full minute to reload.
@@nicholasho1595 Or the detonator to make people not hate you. I just meant as in trying to get ANY use out of that thing,
I just shoot whoever the Pyro hits with a flare or thrower. Usually a Medic.
@@Moss_Dude if you play pyro at all someone will hate you regardless of anything
I am now aware that I swapped the labels at 6:14. This is now the only thing people will notice. Can't wait for 600 comments pointing this out. The joys of editing everything on your own.
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Understandable have a nice day!
hey you have the labels swapped at 6:14
6:14, there is mistake
did you watch evangelion 3.0+1.0 yet?
TF2 fan: "Minigun vs Huo-Long Heater"
TF2 _enjoyer:_ "Sasha vs Sheila"
da
Oksana is underrated...
Oksana vs Natasha?
Svetlana vs Sasha
Firing main cannon.
@@GenericPhantom1Well yeah, but Heavy struggles to hold Oksana due to her high firepower so he has to stand.
"That burning you feel?"
*"It is Shame."*
-Huo Long Heater user.
Heavy: uses huo-long heater
Spy: "You underestimate my power"
*Jumps over the fire ring*
@@wp6007 *uses kunai*
Heavy: "Don't try it"
Eagle strike
@@wp6007 the utility of the fire ring is not to prevent a spy from getting a backstab, the spy will get the backstab.
The utility of the fire ring is accidentally igniting the spy while he was just trying to get in position.
Or you know... making the escape harder.
As long as I can grill my Sandvich with the Huo-Long Heater, then it’s worth using.
Yes
Hello comment man.
Why did I never think of this! Also, 69th like. Nice. Can't wait til my vids are good enough to earn a comment from you!
Fat pyro time
YEAH TOAST!
>"I'm only using stock fists"
>shows clip with kgb
it wasnt on payload
its clearly a regular match, not a test one
I only JUST NOW realized the killing gloves of boxing have the initials KGB 🤦
@@jameswoods8843 ultra genius
@@jameswoods8843 wait before he knows Gloves of Running Urgency stand for GRU
@@yobrethren And that the Sandvich Edible Device has the initials SED
*meanwhile the Spy turns into Mario for a moment and fucking HOO-HOO jumps over it just to backstab you*
Don’t use the fire ring as an excuse to not spycheck or check your back. Check like you would while playing any other minigun.
If anything, the fact that the spies have to jump means that they have to really commit to the stab. They won’t be able to backpedal or run until they land, and missing will almost surely set them on fire.
Of course not. You use it as a way To spy check.
@@TienNguyen-dg4xi thank you for finally being a person with any sense of braincells I try to tell people this but somehow they just don't know although it does make kunai spies incredibly salty lol I triggered a spy so hard when I was spychecking and securing his escape with the fire
I admire your dedication to comparing these odd weapons with the stock.
Stock Shovel vs. Equaliser when
The Tomislav and the jag isn’t odd.
That's why I said this on the video about the Huo-Long Heater.
@@Zoolooman you said “weapons”, imply the entire series, not just this video. Unless you’re calling the minigun odd...
you: *reads something in the stupidest possible way* ah it is my job to correct people on the youtube comment section *cracks knuckles* "sir, i may be a dumbass, but--"
Wow, I had no clue that the Huo Long Heater would stand up to the Minigun. That's interesting to think about, I need to use this weapon. Thanks Zesty!
Huo long heater still worse then stock
@@ldubs5884 HLH still good tho
@@Zilly. ehh not as good as stock but it has the potential
@@ldubs5884 isn't that what sidegrades are supposed to be, weapons that preform better in some situations but have a bit of a struggle in others?
5:20
*A comrade never lets another comrade behind.*
Mother Russia would be proud.
Absolutely real life saver
I just bought a strange Huo-Long Heater so I can have it before the price is jacked up, thank god for our Zesty Jesus.
Same, but I'm actually just interested in using it since it's on such a similar level as stock and is a different playstyle than heavy's normal one. I never used it much before so it'll be fun to use it for once
@@JesseIsBetterThanYou i never said I wasn't interested, I just wanted one before they became like $2.40. Instead of the $0.20 they are now.
@@BigGuy172 you bought it in the steam market?
@@dewguy453 nope, Marketplace.tf
@@BigGuy172 there wasn't something about this website being closed or something??
Everyone gangsta till Zesty brings the waifus out
The waifus dont deserve to touch Heavy's guns
👀 booba
@@PK-Radio The waifus are Heavy's guns
@@FinnishArsonist booba
@@justiceofbook booba
I see buff lady in thumbnail, I click
yes
THIS IS SO WROG :rage: SERIOUSLY THE WHO LONG HOTOR??? I CANNT CHANG ME OPINIONS ON ANYHTING WITOUR BEING WRONNNGNGNNGNGNGN IMM GONNA CANCLE YOU ON TWOTTER :rage:
hehehe, "twotter"
ShUt uP anImEPhoBe
:smiling_imp:
cancle culture
Ankle culturel
I use Tomislav, RUclips man opinion wrong. RUclips man bad.
Yo whats up twitter
Yes
Tomislav is the boring meta choice.
Embrace the flames.
he’s not saying you should drop your main mini gun to use HLH, he’s just saying it’s good and actually viable
@@bautistasalomon4319 someone didn't get the joke...
How did you get anime girls from two heavy's having a pow off.
Imagination
Research purposes
Forgettting to take pills
Because f#$k you
Stop complaining and enjoy the waifus
Your logic has no bearing on me. The superiority of the Iron Curtain over any other Minigun is undeniable.
“bUt tHe iRoN cUrTAiN iS jUsT a rEsKIn”
@@gelato345 atleast it has a hammer and sickle though, thus trumping all miniguns.
But yeah just a reskin.
@@gelato345 you are just a reskin
edit: YoU aRe JuSt A rEsKiN
now I am immune to consequences
@@andrewdude1614 no.
@@gelato345 no..
I like the hue long heater for one reason.
the ring intimidates enemies, and actually makes people scared more.
It is so helpful vs scouts and demonights. Scouts loath getting set of fire even when it won't actually kill them so they are less lickly to try to flank and meatshot you even when its still a good idea. They just get intimidated(source i am scout main). Demonights too. Although this is actually kinda a negative. As heavy you kill demoknights endlessly and easily so scaring them away can actually be a bad thing.
@@peterisawesomeplease not if the demoknights are dumb enough to charge a fucking heavy with a minigun, with a meric i erhealing it. the stupidity of some all for the intel. **cough** today cough
@@peterisawesomeplease not if the demoknights are dumb enough to charge a fucking heavy with a minigun, with a meric i erhealing it. the stupidity of some all for the intel. **cough** today cough
@@-aid4084 I mean its not just stupidity though. Even good demo nights do it when they get overconfident. Most people expect bad heavies. So they will run at you hoping you never change where you are looking. But yea after awhile of playing heavy the sound of demo night charges causes a near instantaneous reaction and they all just die. Fair though given the normal demos just wreck you as heavy.
@@peterisawesomeplease true.
Basically, the huo long heater is a win more item. It makes you better at things you were already good at, and worse at things you weren't the best at.
Zesty: *names himself Aniki*
Me: *Ah, I see you're a boss of this gym as well*
the art in the thumbnail is amazing, I hope whoever made that is getting payed
If I could get the artist name could have them draw these characters in a different style if you know what I mean 😅
the description has the artist
The gas passer would actually be an amazing secondary for Heavy.
Heavy: huh, this is not sandvich. *drinks gasoline*
When you realize Heavy don't actually spend $400k dollars in 12s firing his gun
yeah he uses rubles smh
Excellent points, however I doubt you would have needed to subject and torture yyourself with that much heavy play to come to this conclusion.
Having tweaked and buffed this weapon in the balance mod, giving it mini-crit on targets on fire (offset with lower damage to make it do roughly the same damage as official tf2), gives a much better feedback when you are using it right. As well as increased flamering damage (melts demoknights and spies)
The damage penalty hardly matters in the big picture, but you will lose more heavy duels with it and miss out on clutch kills where certain targets will live with a tiny sliver of health.
The minicrit change is really nice in the balance mod, since the vanilla version lacks that audio-visual feedback letting you know that you are landing that bonus damage.
The huo-long heater is such an interesting weapon. Probably my favorite of the heavy primaries just because of how unique it is relative to his others.
Also, The Huo-long-Heater can counter spys with "The Spy-cicle"
Spies can jump over the ring
@@Milk_Drinker420
but if they take any damage they can't backstab
@@ozzomas51521 Which is irrelevant, because they can jump over the ring.
@@hotmealdotcomma If they fail a stab, they're left without a knife and can't go for trick stabs/try again. Plus, hitreg isn't great. It isn't a mini razorback, just a notable bonus.
@@hotmealdotcomma That makes it more comittal, and its also possible to turn around to catch them.
Who would win: Original big shooty boi, or other big shooty boi with fire
random crits
They are big shooty gals! Heavy himself says so!
*When the Impostor is Marked-for-Death*
Suus
The rare occasion where as heavy you can jump down onto some enemies, rev up mid air, setting everyone on fire, and shreding them is one of the most satisfying things in tf2, just behind airblasting a crit pipe into a group
Also airblasting a crocket into a group
Kemono Friends in the thumbnail. Absolutely hardcore
actually its pronounced as "the who long dragon"
who long dragon? you long dragon
i long dragon? we long dragon
I've always pronounced it ho long
Ok, but that thumbnail is doing things to me.
_Must be them abs._
As a Heater-Heavy, I would absolutely love a faster spin-up time to get killing sooner.
Addendum: Reduced movement speed penalty while revved would also be useful. This is Heavy's most aggressive primary, so it should allow him to get to places faster than the other miniguns.
I love the heater. Enemies will always get close to you for some dumb reason. Not to mention when you are shredding enemies, the ammo drain isn’t that much of a problem.
I would also pair the heater with ether the delicious slab or the surprise assault.
I love the way it deletes demoknights who think they can just charge at you.
@@Mantafirefly or when a spy tries to jump over the flames and you turn around and destroy them.
The squareness of the fire ring can be tested on something like TR walkway's sentry room, just lay out 5 engineers in a line and edge towards the middle one while axially aligned, if they all ignite at the same time, it's a square.
Edit: Checked myself, it's a circle with zero thickness that is centred at the bottom of the heavy's bounding box where he touches the floor. It checks for hits against the bounding box of the players so the class doesn't matter, but it gives a partial illusion of a square hit area for the ring itself since player bounding boxes are axially aligned. This means that that standing on someone is *just* too high to set them on fire, and any height above the heavy's position is enough to not be in contact with the flames.
Also probably worth mentioning that a 10% damage penality doesn't mean too much if you also still have to spend time revving up.
I’ll be that guy.
Huo - as in 火, meaning fire. Pronounced “Hu-or”
Long - as in 龙, meaning dragon. Pronounced “Le-ong”
Yer maw's a 火
Guess I'll call it the Fire Dragon Heater
Thank you
So it's called the Fire Dragon Heater? Metal.
that's cool and all, but I'm gonna continue pronouncing it as "Hoo-long" for the sake of ease
I got "backstabbed" with the Holiday Punch, and expecting a tauntkill, instead the guy decided to kill me with the fire ring.
4:03 DAMN THAT’S A BLAST FROM THE PAST. I didn’t even have this RUclips account when I watched that show. Damn
Unrelated, but Descent Into Cerberon reminds me that Quake II has one of the most savage Gatlings in video games to this date.
HuoLong heater is good if you have a Pyro buddy, but then again, doesn't every weapon work better if you have a buddy applying extra dps on your targets?
Piss and Sting with Pybro and Sniper using Jarate and Neon
The game is called TEAM Fortress.
@@Spanishdog17 Team Piss and Sting Fortress the sequel???
@@Spanishdog17 A lot of people don't know that unfortunately
This video got me to use the Huo Long Heater, and honestly it's quite fun to use. The ring of fire punishes people for getting too close (like annoying scouts who go point blank and mess up my tracking) and just sounds friggin cool. I like it.
hou-long heater is a weird way to spell who long dragon
I love the huo, so it’s nice to get some statistical backup for why I think it’s a good gun
Nice Fire Marshall Bill reference at the beginning!
Honestly I appreciate the fact that you actually use statistics and a large gameplay pool to show your finding instead of just going with previous experience
So how does the huo long heater compare to the tomislav? If HLH = Stock, then does that mean we're giving it the seat at the big boys' table of meta?
On the meta table? I don’t think so since it’s reliance on fire and faster ammo burn through.
really great video! i love your mathematical takes on weapons, its nice to see how it all actually plays out in game
One of my ideas from buffing it: Heavy became fire resistance except for direct contact
In other words, immune to afterburn?
@@Thorngot no, direct contact as in the Sharpened Volcano Fragment's damage.
kamikaze Rift Pyros becomes the new Heavy killer
@@Thorngot yes, it was missing that words
Nah. Then it will basically be a direct upgrade to stock. Maybe just buff the ring of fire’s damage. Maybe back to what it use to be.
I love the marked for death icons
“Huo-long heater has area denial”
So does every minigun ever, that’s the miniguns point. To punish close up enemies. The extra damage doesn’t matter, you shred them with any other minigun up close where the heater is most viable.
ah yes but it also has area denial BEHIND you, and everywhere else you aren't looking
@@ZestyJesus that’s fair but the only people behind you would be spies or other flank classes, and spies can just jump over the ring and kill you
I actually really enjoy the huo-long heater, kinda started using it as a joke a few years back and now it and the tomislav are my go to choices. Its great for a more hyper aggressive heavy especially on maps with a lot of places to drop down on a large group of enemies
"Still waiting for Dragon Maid season 2"
why must you hurt me this way youtube man
edit: WAIT I JUST FOUND OUT SEASON 2 IS CONFIRMED HALLELUJAH
Y'see, this is actually kinda interesting. Since the way I play Heavy is more like a flank class. I tend to creep around behind the enemy lines then attack, and looking at how things stacked up for the Huo-Long Heater, it actually seems to benefit that playstyle, which I find interesting. I may have to give this weapon another go taking that in mind. Very insightful video!
It's one of the "almost good" weapon for me, the fire ring can be negated by some classes (jump-spamming Scouts and Spys), and the ammo drain is a pain in the ass for a hard commit class. But it's cool for an agressive or suicidal playstyle.
The ammo economy is what kills the weapon. Honestly if it were even slightly more accurate or the conditional damage bonus were more under heavy's control then the weapon would easily rival the tomislav
im glad to see that the Huo-long gets some love
it used to be picked on by everyone but im glad to see it getting some more love over time
Let's take this moment to thank Mama Zest, and the name "Chu Chu Yeah!" for a dragon gun is brilliant.
Also, this is great stuff. I appreciate the sacrifices you made for our mortal souls and entertainment.
Serval’s lookin real fuckin’ banging in the the thumbnail, not gonna lie.
You look exactly like my high school marching band choreography teacher and now I'm scared that my teacher was a tf2ber in secret.
well apparently he is a teacher so...
My theory for what causes the HLH to deal more afterburn when active is that the afterburn is coded to count as damage on burning players getting the 25% bonus, and the damage bonus only being active while you're holding it, hence it goes from 4 dmg/tick to 5
We need more artwork
the thubnail art is great
The thumbnail though, we rarely seen some warrior girls in thumbnails these days.
Booba
I love a woman that can kick my ass
*Sees hou long girl*
I’m uh... did I just find a kink?
I also have a strange one. Stats so far:
3,055 kills
13 posthumous kills
769 burning players killed
112 cloaked spies killed
If you're right next to the payload cart, why not? Definitely makes it harder for spies. "But they can jump over the fire ring ". Well, yeah, but it's not like you should just stare straight ahead and never look behind you. The fire ring combined with basic awareness helps. And getting a posthumous kill with it is hilarious.
I... I didn't remember it had damage bonus against burning players.
I might give it a chance. I want to play annoying ambush heavy. Maybe with dalohkos bar it will be fun as you are just a bit more tanky.
mad props to the man who threw the sandwich at you while you were burning.
I will never stop saying that the Huo Long heater should fire a flare like proyectyle every about 12 damage or so dealt, the only thing this proyectyle does is set ppl for after burn at a distance, this makes the heavy way more independant and the heater way more viable
The original design was similar, but it was too hard to implement it, so sorry.
@@YatzeeWillWearAGreenHat wym?
@@josep754 the early Huo Long Designs were that of a Semi auto flare shooter.
Zesty's Huo-Long Heater being named "Chu chu yeah" is a reference i didn't expect but am happy to know
If this thing had a faster It's been up time by just a bit when enemy players are within melee range. I could definitely see this thing being a close range weapon that rewards being in close proximity to dangerous things. Jump in the combat from around a corner into the face of the enemy team while lighting them on fire from the flame effect then getting extra damage to help melt them down and then it's a race between who can win the DPS fight. That's about the only way I see this weapon being good at all.
5:17 Wilf Hoovy being an absolute pal!
Quite interesting results. I never thought the HLH could be viable.
Well, what a nice surprise that the Heater is at least more viable than I initially thought! I'd likely take stock over Heater, but its good to know in the specific situation where a scout that keeps stealing all the ammo from me and theres a dropped Heater.. Its something.
Hope that theres a slight buff for that spinup speed. Would make it stand out more at least.
wtf hes not beating up uncle dane
huo long heater's my baby in mvm, free extra damage for hugging robots and no movement penalty, synergizes with a pyro, it's a beaut
WP ma boy
I use stock for good damage I dont have to wait 8 years to rev
I love that he credits his mom as the in house chef
Who long Dragon?
TRULY FEARED SANDVICH
The school cafeteria lunch has escaped again!
I AM THE GOD OF HELLFIRE
AND I BRING YOU
*FIRE*
you!
Now that we have this video, there is only one more challenge we have for Zesty, comparing every unique non reskinned minigun in one video while using brand new data and applying what you have learned from previous videos and playstyles
the VIRGIN stock minigun VS the CHAD huo long heater
I did not know that the afterburn gains the 25% damage increase on burning players while the Huo-long Heater is active.
2:25 I can’t believe you’ve done this to me
Amogus 😳
The heater does have the advantage of pairing with a flare spamming pyro extremely well. It's also quite good in MvM because when isn't the heavy near the dispenser.
Holy shit that thumbnail is a work of a god
Saw the title and thought the video was a joke at first lmao. After watching I'm actually thinking of switching to the heater. Great video as always!
Is Zesty the one who drew the art on the thumbnail of the video? Because its fire!
no he didnt do the thumbnail but it would be pretty cool if he did, check the description for the artist
I like the lil kirby showdown joke in the beginning, small thing but thats such a call back it hit me
i swear i did not click this video because of the thumbnail. i swear.
Zesty actually got the pronounciation correct doing the lock comment
2:24 why is Jeremy watching over this engie lol
Think it’s a reskin of the “marked for death” sign
@@natema5927 yes I am aware
Sus
Other Heavies: "Minigun or Tomislov?"
Me: "Heat Maker."
8:11 sus
i'm not a regular viewer of this channel but that's one hell of a thumbnail
bonus points for the konata decompress break too
yo
The correct way to pronounce the name is to say it whilst simultaneously vomiting up your entire digestive system.
The problem with the Heater is it relies too much on flame damage which Heavy cannot dish out at range. I don't think it should lose this stat, since it creates an interesting synergy between Heavy and Pyro. Instead, it should get another buff.
heavy mains needed this
thank you
You made a mistake, at 6:13 the text at the bottom showing the two miniguns should be switched around.
9:17
Let us take a moment to mourn the death of sans sign scout
He really almost had him
if only the fire aspect of the Huo-Longheater was changed to be more reliable I can see the Huo-Longheater being op. Like maybe instead of relying on pyros and your own super small ring of fire to get that damage bonus, I can see it performing better that consistently firing the HLH(huo longheater) would heat up the barrel(like how minigun can "overheat" in some games) but when its fully heated up fire would spew out of the barrel(which would let you know that its fully heated up), which then once fully "heated up" would fire bullets that when coming in contact with enemy players they would be lit up in flames as the damage bonus would be 30% instead of 25%. The increase in the damage bonus is because that you'd need to be pretty much spending alot of ammo in order to become "fully heated". Also I imagine that it would get 15% more ammo from ammo crates.
so then this gun is pretty much built on constantly firing in order to get that damage buff but can get ammo back more quickly from nearby dispenser/ammo packs or gain a bit more ammo from ammo boxes from killing players.
also maybe a 20% higher ammo pool