This guy said only idiots say genetics than why don’t either of these guys have jacked 20” plus arms? Because you chose to have smaller arms? It’s genetics that’s the reason these guys look like average gym bros and not pro bodybuilders. These 2 guys do not have the genetics to become pro bodybuilders they literally cannot achieve that goal or build arms as big as Lee Priests when he was 13 because of genetics. I know this because I’ve studied it for 30 years and trained harder than anyone and even though I got stronger than most pros (genetics) I could not match their physiques. I matched Arnold’s lifts and my physique looks nothing like his because of genetics. Read Arthur Jones he actually explains genetics.
Arthur Jones, lol it's not your strength which is the issue. It's clearly your mindset. Even your whole RUclips channel is dedicated to whining, complaining and excuse making. I love varying opinions, but I couldn't entertain that level of negativity that you've given a home to. If Jamie's opinions trigger you so much, please make a rebuttal video instead of infecting my comment section with your defeatist clap-trap.
Very good. Noone's interested in your opinion though. And that's not me trying to be rude. Unless you can qualify your statement with factual argument, no one cares and you fail to convince me otherwise
@@carvedouttastone do i need proof to prove that water is wet? Just open your eyes and see the huge variations in body types. A guy can just have a ridiculous build who doesn’t even lift. I’ve worked out with tons of people and the variations in builds are vast. An African friend of mine was six feet 210 with abs and he never touched a weight. Most people can lift their whole lives and not look close to how he looked with his shirt off. Small waist, broad shoulders, muscle insertions like a Greek god. I personally think genetics are by far the biggest factor in bodybuilding. Does lebron James have better genetics for basketball than someone under 6 feet who’s uncoordinated? Whatever you guys are smoking I’ll take some!!
I don’t think you understood the point of the vid mane 😂😂 ofc genetics have an effect the whole point is it’s full of lil bitches who just give up on whatever they want to achieve just cos some random Redditor said they probably don’t have good enough genetics, you never know tf u could do until you do it so instead of being a douche maybe listen more n talk less 💯💯💯
I’ve just started watching this and I’m not sure if it’s trolling or legitimate but if it’s a legitimate message than it’s wrong. I was talking with my very close friend Will Dinwiddie the other day who trains harder than anyone ever and we concluded for both of us genetics were the limiting factor. Will is the only person I’ve ever seen who has squatted 225x100, 315x50, and 455x20. Look it up on RUclips yet he doesn’t have Tom Platz legs why? The answer is genetics. He also could never get his arms to 20” why? Genetics I guarantee he trained harder than Arnold guarantee it.
Lol. If you believe in genetics so much, bitch to Ma and Pa over the fact you have lousy logic, intelligence and reasoning skills. Does your midwit IQ level preclude you from understanding irony?? You just proved Jamie's point. Well done
Does he do Tom Platz reps? Close stance, heels elevated? I'm betting not. Does he train legs with as much volume and as often, with the same form, and then rude his bike 20 miles a day? Definitely not. And the human genome wasn't sequenced until 2003. Jones retired in 96 and died in 03. He didn't know jack shit about genetics. And you need to crack a book on logic, because you don't even have the rudiments of a logical argument in your comment.
@@plagueofstrength I was actually personally trained by Tom Platz and I did a podcast with him you can look it up “Tom Platz nailed it podcast” have you ever read Arthur Jones Nautilus Bulletins? He explains everything you need to know about genetics concerning bodybuilding and he did it in the 70’s. I don’t appreciate the insults but here’s Wills squat form ruclips.net/video/owF_5ZO2OlE/видео.htmlsi=h5l3xcB0c-7fHXIu
You may not become the best in the world in whatever endeavor you follow. But if STOP focusing on genetics and strive to be a better version of yourself, there is tons to be achieved.
And THAT'S the real takeaway message here. The mind and body are inextricably linked in ways we can't get fully comprehend. Why self sabotage your results with negative or reductionist thinking before you even try? Case in point is that natty or not bull$hit - basically a recipe for indulging in negative thinking and ultimately, goal derailment
For those wanting to know where the salacious Steve Reeves story comes from, I think its this book - Full Service: My Adventures in Hollywood and the Secret Sex Lives of the Stars. by Lionel Friedberg (Author), Scotty Bowers (Author)
Yes correct - someone needs to tackle a proper full length biography of Steve Reeves because it's a story begging to be told. How one hasn't been written yet boggles my mind
@@carvedouttastone I am amazed at the idea he may be gay or walk both sides of the street, he comes across as being very wholesome and was married. I might have to get that book, does Jamie know anything more about Reeves? You keep hearing these rumors about people in the industry not being 100% straight, sometimes I wonder if someone made it compulsory and kept it a closed secret.
@@BrandonMichaels-we9vn who can truly say. Everything is speculation without a smoking gun. Wholesome and happily married mean nothing in the context of.burning ambition and/or offsetting the necessities of life by other means
Jamie can say whatever but he never did it. The needle did, whatever he claims. I note at the beginning the question of response to steroids was asked and never addressed. Natty 17 inch biceps on a 170lb body was mentioned, OK, that is not the same as "no limits"... no limits means squatting ten tons and running ten second miles ... there are limts. Jamie may be entertaining, but if I had to put money on the right answer, I would bet on what Lyle McD says all day.
Not saying you're wrong. I present some counterarguments, but I let guests have an open platform to present their ideas and let the court of public opinion, dissect and weigh their individual worth. My missus later said that I should push back harder with the counter arguments for entertainment value alone, but with the limited time, I don't want to get bogged down on talking points or make this the Shawn Show. It's a balance I'm trying to discover through repeated experimentation with the podcast format. I like and appreciate your respectful/intelligent takes tho.
They're are limits and they have been calculated by Japanese scientists. We're nowhere near them. Hence my point. But stick with Lyle if you want- I'm not gonna force you to listen to reason. Enjoy those tiny sample sizes and reassurance that you're fucking doomed to frailty.
@@carvedouttastone all good. There is a level of complexity here that I only touch upon, Jamie constructs a point of view that is very appealing but that does not make it reality. He dismisses all critique as the whining of "pussies" as he dismissed Lyle. To me he is simply reproducing a version of the dominant ideology which is incapable of presenting reality as it would be suicidal for the system to admit its foundation. In Jamie's version, the downplaying of the role of PEDs is the equivalent of the downplaying of the barrier of class, the reality of exploitation, in the dominant ideology. Just as the rich are successful largely through accident of birth, inheritance, connections and the like, the strong/well muscled are largely so because of PEDs. Perhaps not too many will see the connections, but in the end, it all comes down to capitalism, spectacle, money making, commodities....
I think the fact that I started training at 12 is a huge part of how I’ve built a lot more muscle than a lot of the “Science-based” Reddit type dweebs online
I honestly think you're onto something there. There's something about starting in childhood or at the cusp of adolescence which amplifies the muscle and strength gaining process - same could be said with any skill I guess,.but it's amazing how physicality is also shaped at a young age through training
Possibly largely a psychological aspect, what is printed on ur mind when young shapes us. My journey started with labouring on construction sites as a teenager in school hlidays with my dad. That was an intro to strength, the body as a source od power. I had almost zero interest in the sports offered by school, but this impacted on me.@@carvedouttastone
Yes I agree. There are of course genetic influences on fibre type and density etc. But "genetics" and "steroids" are massive copouts. If people worked out as much and for as long as say Arnold did they may not look like Arnold did but they would look pretty damn good. Jamie is completely wrong about HBD, though (human bio diversity.) The links between racial phenotype, intelligence and behaviour is very well established and I would challenge Jamie to account for racial disparity in crime statistics. For instance we see that African American populations have higher crime rates at the highest income brackets than white Americans in the lowest income brackets.
@@carvedouttastoneDr. Edward Dutton. To another of Jamie's points vis selective breeding, there are actually plenty of people who do in fact argue that human have also engaged in selective breeding through ritualized coupling.
@@donjuanmckenzie4897 I can only think of that Chinese NBA basketball player Yao Ming off hand, where the government deliberately arranged two of the county's tallest men and women with basketball player pedigree to produce Yao for national pride
Another great conversation. Entertaining and informative. Great when learned people get together. I agree with the philosophy. I'm a big John Christy fan and in his book he has himself doing an impressive lat spread and the caption. ' Great genetics,or Pullups since age 12?'. He railed against the hardgainer tag.
To all those who think genetics aren’t of utmost importance....keep training, you just haven’t been doing this long enough to understand. One day u will wise up
@@carvedouttastone follow my instructions and one day it will be clear. I understand with your limited experience it may seem vague to you for now. But mark my words....
This guy said only idiots say genetics than why don’t either of these guys have jacked 20” plus arms? Because you chose to have smaller arms? It’s genetics that’s the reason these guys look like average gym bros and not pro bodybuilders. These 2 guys do not have the genetics to become pro bodybuilders they literally cannot achieve that goal or build arms as big as Lee Priests when he was 13 because of genetics. I know this because I’ve studied it for 30 years and trained harder than anyone and even though I got stronger than most pros (genetics) I could not match their physiques. I matched Arnold’s lifts and my physique looks nothing like his because of genetics. Read Arthur Jones he actually explains genetics.
Arthur Jones, lol it's not your strength which is the issue. It's clearly your mindset. Even your whole RUclips channel is dedicated to whining, complaining and excuse making. I love varying opinions, but I couldn't entertain that level of negativity that you've given a home to. If Jamie's opinions trigger you so much, please make a rebuttal video instead of infecting my comment section with your defeatist clap-trap.
I don’t care what you guys say. Genetics is a massive factor in all sports. Especially bodybuilding
Very good. Noone's interested in your opinion though. And that's not me trying to be rude. Unless you can qualify your statement with factual argument, no one cares and you fail to convince me otherwise
@@carvedouttastone do i need proof to prove that water is wet? Just open your eyes and see the huge variations in body types. A guy can just have a ridiculous build who doesn’t even lift. I’ve worked out with tons of people and the variations in builds are vast. An African friend of mine was six feet 210 with abs and he never touched a weight. Most people can lift their whole lives and not look close to how he looked with his shirt off. Small waist, broad shoulders, muscle insertions like a Greek god. I personally think genetics are by far the biggest factor in bodybuilding. Does lebron James have better genetics for basketball than someone under 6 feet who’s uncoordinated? Whatever you guys are smoking I’ll take some!!
Weak
@@carvedouttastonehow is that weak? I personally have pretty decent genetics so I’m not complaining. It just is what it is.
I don’t think you understood the point of the vid mane 😂😂 ofc genetics have an effect the whole point is it’s full of lil bitches who just give up on whatever they want to achieve just cos some random Redditor said they probably don’t have good enough genetics, you never know tf u could do until you do it so instead of being a douche maybe listen more n talk less 💯💯💯
I’ve just started watching this and I’m not sure if it’s trolling or legitimate but if it’s a legitimate message than it’s wrong. I was talking with my very close friend Will Dinwiddie the other day who trains harder than anyone ever and we concluded for both of us genetics were the limiting factor. Will is the only person I’ve ever seen who has squatted 225x100, 315x50, and 455x20. Look it up on RUclips yet he doesn’t have Tom Platz legs why? The answer is genetics. He also could never get his arms to 20” why? Genetics I guarantee he trained harder than Arnold guarantee it.
Lol. If you believe in genetics so much, bitch to Ma and Pa over the fact you have lousy logic, intelligence and reasoning skills. Does your midwit IQ level preclude you from understanding irony?? You just proved Jamie's point. Well done
1. Platz out squats your boy by a lot
2. Squats aren't a quad exclusive exercise
Does he do Tom Platz reps? Close stance, heels elevated? I'm betting not. Does he train legs with as much volume and as often, with the same form, and then rude his bike 20 miles a day? Definitely not. And the human genome wasn't sequenced until 2003. Jones retired in 96 and died in 03. He didn't know jack shit about genetics. And you need to crack a book on logic, because you don't even have the rudiments of a logical argument in your comment.
@@donjuanmckenzie4897 no he doesn’t ruclips.net/video/owF_5ZO2OlE/видео.htmlsi=h5l3xcB0c-7fHXIu
@@plagueofstrength I was actually personally trained by Tom Platz and I did a podcast with him you can look it up “Tom Platz nailed it podcast” have you ever read Arthur Jones Nautilus Bulletins? He explains everything you need to know about genetics concerning bodybuilding and he did it in the 70’s. I don’t appreciate the insults but here’s Wills squat form ruclips.net/video/owF_5ZO2OlE/видео.htmlsi=h5l3xcB0c-7fHXIu
You may not become the best in the world in whatever endeavor you follow. But if STOP focusing on genetics and strive to be a better version of yourself, there is tons to be achieved.
And THAT'S the real takeaway message here. The mind and body are inextricably linked in ways we can't get fully comprehend. Why self sabotage your results with negative or reductionist thinking before you even try? Case in point is that natty or not bull$hit - basically a recipe for indulging in negative thinking and ultimately, goal derailment
For those wanting to know where the salacious Steve Reeves story comes from, I think its this book -
Full Service: My Adventures in Hollywood and the Secret Sex Lives of the Stars. by Lionel Friedberg (Author), Scotty Bowers (Author)
Yes correct - someone needs to tackle a proper full length biography of Steve Reeves because it's a story begging to be told. How one hasn't been written yet boggles my mind
@@carvedouttastone I am amazed at the idea he may be gay or walk both sides of the street, he comes across as being very wholesome and was married. I might have to get that book, does Jamie know anything more about Reeves? You keep hearing these rumors about people in the industry not being 100% straight, sometimes I wonder if someone made it compulsory and kept it a closed secret.
@@BrandonMichaels-we9vn who can truly say. Everything is speculation without a smoking gun. Wholesome and happily married mean nothing in the context of.burning ambition and/or offsetting the necessities of life by other means
This is great -Reg Wong keeps me up to date with your pods Jamie - great work !
Thanks for tuning in and leaving a comment
That's dope man!!! Thanks for following me all over the place!!!
Thanks guys! 💪
Welcome mate. Glad you enjoyed it
Jamie can say whatever but he never did it. The needle did, whatever he claims. I note at the beginning the question of response to steroids was asked and never addressed. Natty 17 inch biceps on a 170lb body was mentioned, OK, that is not the same as "no limits"... no limits means squatting ten tons and running ten second miles ... there are limts. Jamie may be entertaining, but if I had to put money on the right answer, I would bet on what Lyle McD says all day.
Not saying you're wrong. I present some counterarguments, but I let guests have an open platform to present their ideas and let the court of public opinion, dissect and weigh their individual worth.
My missus later said that I should push back harder with the counter arguments for entertainment value alone, but with the limited time, I don't want to get bogged down on talking points or make this the Shawn Show. It's a balance I'm trying to discover through repeated experimentation with the podcast format. I like and appreciate your respectful/intelligent takes tho.
They're are limits and they have been calculated by Japanese scientists. We're nowhere near them. Hence my point. But stick with Lyle if you want- I'm not gonna force you to listen to reason. Enjoy those tiny sample sizes and reassurance that you're fucking doomed to frailty.
@@carvedouttastone all good. There is a level of complexity here that I only touch upon, Jamie constructs a point of view that is very appealing but that does not make it reality. He dismisses all critique as the whining of "pussies" as he dismissed Lyle. To me he is simply reproducing a version of the dominant ideology which is incapable of presenting reality as it would be suicidal for the system to admit its foundation. In Jamie's version, the downplaying of the role of PEDs is the equivalent of the downplaying of the barrier of class, the reality of exploitation, in the dominant ideology. Just as the rich are successful largely through accident of birth, inheritance, connections and the like, the strong/well muscled are largely so because of PEDs. Perhaps not too many will see the connections, but in the end, it all comes down to capitalism, spectacle, money making, commodities....
I think the fact that I started training at 12 is a huge part of how I’ve built a lot more muscle than a lot of the “Science-based” Reddit type dweebs online
I honestly think you're onto something there. There's something about starting in childhood or at the cusp of adolescence which amplifies the muscle and strength gaining process - same could be said with any skill I guess,.but it's amazing how physicality is also shaped at a young age through training
Possibly largely a psychological aspect, what is printed on ur mind when young shapes us. My journey started with labouring on construction sites as a teenager in school hlidays with my dad. That was an intro to strength, the body as a source od power. I had almost zero interest in the sports offered by school, but this impacted on me.@@carvedouttastone
Yes I agree. There are of course genetic influences on fibre type and density etc. But "genetics" and "steroids" are massive copouts. If people worked out as much and for as long as say Arnold did they may not look like Arnold did but they would look pretty damn good. Jamie is completely wrong about HBD, though (human bio diversity.) The links between racial phenotype, intelligence and behaviour is very well established and I would challenge Jamie to account for racial disparity in crime statistics. For instance we see that African American populations have higher crime rates at the highest income brackets than white Americans in the lowest income brackets.
Id like to get a geneticist or similar expert to come on the channel and discuss the topic in more depth
We should definitely have a geneticist on!
@@carvedouttastoneDr. Edward Dutton. To another of Jamie's points vis selective breeding, there are actually plenty of people who do in fact argue that human have also engaged in selective breeding through ritualized coupling.
@@donjuanmckenzie4897 I can only think of that Chinese NBA basketball player Yao Ming off hand, where the government deliberately arranged two of the county's tallest men and women with basketball player pedigree to produce Yao for national pride
@@donjuanmckenzie4897 thanks I'll look more into Edward Dutton
Anything with Jamie Lewis, is badass. Insanely informative, & unintentionally halirious when you least expect it.
We have a great one hour podcast dropping this weekend too with Dr Conor Hefernan. It's a great listen and thanks for the comment
Another great conversation. Entertaining and informative. Great when learned people get together. I agree with the philosophy. I'm a big John Christy fan and in his book he has himself doing an impressive lat spread and the caption. ' Great genetics,or Pullups since age 12?'. He railed against the hardgainer tag.
Gratt points there Stind and thanks for relating that John Christy story. I'll look more into him
Great live stream guys
Thanks always Iron History. Great question
Great episode.
Thanks mate. Craig bought me one of your shirts which I will rock in the next episode :-)
To all those who think genetics aren’t of utmost importance....keep training, you just haven’t been doing this long enough to understand. One day u will wise up
Vague and meaningless. Dispute Jamie's points properly. Noone's interested in cryptic generalisations
@@carvedouttastone follow my instructions and one day it will be clear. I understand with your limited experience it may seem vague to you for now. But mark my words....