[V2] 3 ZONE RIDE BUILD | E Cymbal
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- Опубликовано: 23 июл 2020
- This is a long video. Bear with me. Today I’m walking you through my 3 zone ride (electronic cymbal) build. Everything that I learned so far and my recommendations. If you made it to the end your the man (or dudette), thank you! If I forgot something or may have cut out some portions or if you have any questions, let me know. Thanks for watching!
Price of this build:
Triggers - $81.9 + shipping + LVC
⚙️ PARTS LIST
GoEdrum
Bell Trigger - ebay.us/QCudbP
Triple Zone Trigger Box - ebay.us/hoHGfV
360 Edge membrane 20” - ebay.us/5ktJJZ
Rubber Damper - ebay.to/2ZU6bvO (check latest ride build)
**Recommended Cymbal Rubber Ring - ebay.us/CkrVWF
LVC - bit.ly/2D0Dl3O
Other LVC in ebay - ebay.us/3UiNx0
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Great video, thanks you very much. Just finished the ride and crash. Now for the hats!
Thank you!! This was very helpful!
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I absolutely love that you figured this out and did this. Well done!
Just one minor thing I noticed the link you have in your description to the triple zone trigger actually takes you to a single zone trigger please correct.
Thank you sooo much!!!
Gara ng set up! Isa kang genius! 👏😎🤙
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Goedrum make excellent products. I owned their 13" Hi hat and their controller is top notch.
Just a point. Watching your video I was wondering about the breakage of the boxes wings you experienced. Have you thought about putting nylon/rubber washers instead of steel ones? Great and inspiring work BTW. 👍🏻
Thanks! Yup. Used metal washers, I showed on the long term review. 🙌🏽🙏🏽
Hi gara did you try using geodrum bell membrane to compare to mryk? Wondering if you heed to cover bell membrane with eva foam with geodrum also?
Im like yourself, diy all the way.. great job in all your diy vids 👏👏🙏🏻
What triggers are you using for your crash cymbals? Are you using a membrane and trigger box from goedrum? I love your videos!!!
Thanks! Yup goedrums dual zone box + edge membrane for crash.
I love your videos. I'm doing the same to my Roland Acoustic kit. However, where do I find the material to make the choke? I'm not sure what the "tape" is called that you put on the rim of the cymbals all the way around? What is this called and where can I find it? My Ride that comes with the Roland kit has a three zone connection that is connected to the cymbal by a USB connection as opposed to the jacks that are typically found on the kits. Any suggestions for this once I start to replace the Ride? Again, thanks for the videos and the education. Keep drumm'n!
Thanks! 🙏🏽 I take it you have the Roland VAD kit, altho I’m not sure why you would replace your digital ride with a DIY one, yours is perfectly fine, plays and reacts way better than a DIY build. All the parts in this video is in the description.
This seems to be a more reliable option than jobeky's cymbals.
(And stealth isnt replying 😂)
Thanks dude!
Thanks! Look out for my v3 build. New version, and “rubberless” version. Everything is underside.
Stealthdrums? Man... Jman has passed away mid 2020, unfortunately.
I bought some cymbals from him back in the day, and learned from his design to do my cymbals.
@@sharkuel damn, sorry to hear
@@guitarguy3221 the edrum comunity lost a great guy. RIP
Great video!
Do you have samples of the sound of those B20 LVC before adding the electronics? I would love to see how they sound compared with those cheap steel LVC.
You also forgot to put the price difference on the screen :)
Thanks! Might upload some short sample video in instagram. I do have a ride and hihat but no crash. I’ll sample that for you when I get to it. I’ll update the description for the price diff. 😅
Thank you for your insight. I had the same experience with goedrums. I ordered the dual triggers and the membrane. They didnt send any documentation whatsoever. And the plastic triggers broke just like yours did. I have the aluminium ones now. About to follow your guidance and connect it now. Thanks for your help.
Thanks for sharing! They really need to be reinforced.
@@ProjectBeats_ I now have 2 of the membranes and the alluminium triggers now and still trying to figure out how to get a choke sound from this setup. Of course Im using low volume cymbal and a Roland head. Ive watched many videos on and off youtube and still cant find anything on how to use the choke function. I found an email for goedrum and asked them about it, this is no joke, they replied giving me a link to this video! Have you created a way to use the choke? If you have can you make a video or if you know of any place its documented I would be forever grateful if you would share. I appreciate you sharing your expertise and you are a groovin drummer as well.
Wah did not know that. 😅 do you have the go edrum dual/triple zone trigger box? If you connect the edge membrane to the trigger box, they just work instantly. Just pinch them after you hit the crash to choke
@@ProjectBeats_ Nothing is ever that easy! At least from my experience. I should be home in a couple days and I will try it. Thanks for your reply. btw I have the dual zone trigggers.
Thank you for the awesome and inspirational information. I’m trying not to drill into my zildian lvs. Do you know if putting the membrane on the bottom would work?
Thanks. 🙏🏽🙌🏽 Only for choke if placed below. Edge sound wont register
Great. Thank you very much for the reply. I’m working on my first goedrum 3 zone and will be busting out the drill tonight. Feels so much better to hit what feels like a real cymbal instead of pads. Please keep up your awesome work! You’re definitely pioneer this for me and probably heck of drummers!
Got my first three zone working! Everything was like you said. I did drill into my LV Zildjian. Barely noticeable. Plus already holes...:) Even through there were holes in the bell I still had to go direct instead of the double side tape from GoEdrum. Also bell only sounds with the side of the stick like you said. You saved me hours and I'm ready to go for the high hat and crash all using an Alesis strike module that I recently got on ebay. Right on brotha!
Nice! Glad it worked.
Did you ever have to put a foam riser? Mine is not working well with my cymgard rubber edging. Do I need a foam riser?
I did not use riser with the goedrum edge membrane. If it is not responding well, wouldn’t hurt to try risers.
Nice video. What is the trigger setting on ride and crash cymbal?
Crash I play arnd 8-9 sensitivity threshold 2
Ride:
Sens - 6
Threshold 2
Raise rim gain a bit to 1.5 coz the piezo bell fr goedrum isnt very sensitiv
Super teacher joven and it is soooo 😎 cool #saswin
Great DIY project. Can you please explain why you put the Myrk or goedrum membrane switch on the top of the cymbal and why it should be useless? Jobeky place they membrane switch under the cymbal. You have mentioned it in the hi-hat DIY and in your first ride attempt.
Thank you very much and go on:-)
Thanks! Do you own a jobeky cymbal? I’ve tried both myrk and goedrum membranes and as far as I know in my experience these membranes need to be hit directly to be activated/triggered (edge/rim sound). They are not like piezo triggers. Both myrk and goedrum specifically instructs to put it on top. Otherwise you’d have to have metal bending hits to trigger them if you put them under. 😅
Altho for choke/mute purpose, it would work however you want to place it. Under/over, choke should work.
So not sure about what jobeky is using. And how effective the underside membrane is.
I tried it before, just a quick test. Did not install it. I was just curious too. yeah it doesnt work.
Unfortunately my go edrum rubber rim breaks. I have the bell trigger as well. Really gotta pin point your strike. My ride uses the dual box. The single zone metal box doesn't hold the adhesive well for the piezo.
Thanks for the heads up. Will just use my old u-rubber channel if it breaks. The bell setup is a bit more forgiving than my previous build. It’s OK for me.
@@ProjectBeats_ yeah I noticed your hack by taking out the foam pad and just taping the trigger on the bell. Definitely gotta try that my dude
Heads up dynamics are not part of the membrane, it's the piezo which works with the membrane. As you can see the disadvantage of piezo bell over membrane bell removes all subtle dynamics as you have to hit the cymbal enough to trigger it off. Plastic project boxes as we discussed before will always be an issue on a brass cymbal because of the warping of the brass cymbal when hit.
Thanks! I realise. Trigger box with the piezo acts as the “main controller”.
@@ProjectBeats_ yup - all dynamics come from the piezo - have 2 subdivides the sensitivity across the cymbal (you'll notice Roland do not use piezos in their bells because of this). I think a lot of your comments and concerns with the Myrk- Membranes are being addressed in the new version coming out later this year - working out the cleanest way to chain membranes and connect things (especially for the bells - people find this hard to resolve), and making it easy for low volume conversion which seems to be what everyone is doing nowadays! :)
That would be awesome! Been looking forward to the new release actually. The bell on my setup can definitely be better
But you'llend wrapping the cymbal top with foam or it's left naked? How about the contacts and the connectors bended into the small cymbal holes? Aren't in a dangerous position beign right were we usually strike? How can i proved if i wann do the same thing with a regular cymbal (a non low volume one)? I have to keep wiring in the top and hide them under the padding, or place everything in the underside?
I have a old 16" Sabian B8 and an Alchemy Pro 17" that i would like to mess with.
And half of the sellers doesn't ship here in Italy.
There's a way to make a 3 zone whitout switch but simple piezos?
Or would be a crosstalk nightmare?
Myrk percussion is in UK he has membrane. you might be able to get from him. That’s what I used for bell and edge in my first build. ruclips.net/video/UKfHCBNN2Kc/видео.html
Haven’t tried regular cymbal. But I think I would go with covering the entire bottom with some type of foam, myrk edge membrane on top, myrk bell membran on top, drill holes so all wiring is on the bottom side. I’d still use u-rubber channel to hide the edge membrane and help with vibrations. Then trigger box under or if you know how to make one. You might be able to find diagram for the electronics.
@@ProjectBeats_ In the end the same as you did, but i have to add a couple of holes, minding to stay away fro the bell area or else the cymbal could fall apart :D I lost a couple of cyms dues cracked bell border in my years in drumming.
Yes i can buy the myrk ones as they're in Uk, but GoEdrum doesn't ship here, i'll have to go with regular piezo instead of a trigger box.
I asked if it's possible to use only piezo instead of switch 'cause i seen one diy were he used a piezo in the border area, but i guess he tinkered a lot in the module to reduce crosstalks.
I seen some even using metal plates as switch, they solder a cable on the plate and the mass on the cymbal, it's a smart and even cheaper option if it actually work.
Should use rubber washer better. In time metal washer my loss and rattle and make noise.
Did you tried to use the switchers under the cymbal? What results you got?
No coz they don’t work like piezo. If you just want choke and not the edge sound you can put it under.
@@ProjectBeats_ ok I got , tks so much
Is it normal that the myrk membranes do not work if i connect them straight to the jack?
Yes. As I mentioned before. Bell and edge switch need to be wired to a main trigger. They need a certain amount of response from a main trigger. This is the case for Roland. They don’t work on their own.
@@ProjectBeats_ thank you I realized it :)
When doing your crashes did you put the membrane on the top or bottom of the cymbal?
I did both.
@@ProjectBeats_ what way worked best to get bow edge and choke?
I’m using the GOEdrum membrane
Edge and choke is doable either side. IMO top works best for swells.
How much louder is this compared to a rubber cymbal?
On rubber ring parts if your hitting edge. I would say abt the same. Coz rubber cymbals aint soft too 😅 but when you play bell with the stick shaft yeah thats louder than rubber cymbals.
I found the goedrum membrane chokes alot easier than the myrk switch. I really have to squeeze my myrk cymbals to get it to choke.
That is true! Did you use some foam riser tho for the myrk?
@@ProjectBeats_ no but that's a good idea, raise the whole switch up so it has some give when you pinch it. No instructions were provided with those either :/
There should be some email about it. They recommend 2mm EVA Foam. I just used a 3m 2side tape and cut to size. Stick to just the silver part. Should be better response and bit easier to pinch that none at all.
@@ProjectBeats_ cool, good to know. Did you put the foam between the cymbal and the switch? Or on top of the switch after you stuck it to the cymbal? I found conflicting info on the vdrums forums. Thanks in advance!
I’d follow myrks recommendation. Foam riser on top of the membrane. In between membrane and rubber ring/u-rubber channel. Makes more sense to me that way.
I have a similar setup and the crosstalk is unbearable even with extreme xtalk settings and threshold etc. How do you manage this?
Crosstalk between what?
@@ProjectBeats_ Between the bell and bow piezo. Since the inputs on my td-4 (haha) expect switch for the bell in order to get the true 3-zone function, i had to connect the bell as an independent single zone trigger. Unless goedrum has modified the circuit of their system to trick the module into thinking its receiving on/off messages from your bell piezo. You even mentioned in your previous ride conversion video that you would get crosstalk if you weren't using a switch.
I see. If you try playing 3 zones on actual e-ride. When you play bell, you will naturally hear the bow, as bell would rely on bow to trigger (main trigger of 3 zone) especially for dynamics. I since learned main trigger is actually doing the dynamics so it has to be there when you play bell. It’s just more accurate and cleaner when using bell membrane. But if you are hearing bell when playing bow then there is a problem. This never happens to me tho. I adjusted the bell sensitivity higher for my setup since I’m using 2 piezo (1 bell 1 bow) which is not ideal but this setup is super convenient so I went with it. Piezo bell needs higher sensitivity. I’ve no problems with crosstalk tho.
Thanks for the reply. Both piezos of my ride are super sensitive even with maxed out threshhold and super low sensitivity. The guy that built it (gear drum) recommended a threshold of 30 for the bell but my module is not capable of such a high value. I think i'll try to physically dampen them. thanks
PS I read somewhere on your channel that myrk will release some bell membranes that go under the bell surface. Is this true ? Or possible?
I don’t think they will ever build an underside membrane. It should be on top. Membranes work better that way. Piezo underside, membrane on top.
I heard they will update the bell so that it’s easier to build. Kinda like a plug and play setup. W/o having to build it up. It’ll still be on top. But I have yet to see any update on their ebay shop. Also waiting on what they would release.
If the bell is too sensitive and you are getting bell even when not hitting bell. Maybe try to add a thicker foam between cymbal and bell piezo.
Is the bell trigger a piezo or switch?
For this video I’m using piezo bell. My first build is membrane switch
How are you finding this after using it a little while, is it holding up ok?
Yeah no hiccups so far. Only thing I need to solve is spinning cymbal. 😅 not a big deal tho. I’d say membrane bell is better in terms of triggering. This setup is OK but needs tweaking with module. Waiting for mryk to update bell membrane then I’ll give it a try. But if not, for me this is a good solution for practice.
ProjectBeatsOfficial - I have TD17 also, I used the drumtec settings for my A2E shells, there isn’t slot of info on cymbal settings, you should put some up when you get the chance.
Have you tried using a rubber band around the trigger box to the cymbal boom arm, keeps it somewhere near without being unnatural.
I always wondered why myrk don’t sell a kit like goedrum does, with coverings and risers,trigger box etc included
Great work as always👍
Hi bro need some help 😭 having trouble with my ride 3zone setup just like yours.. Im having double triggering issues.. Already put some adhesive tape between the cym and still nothing works.. Pls help... Thanks Great videos by the way... Keep it up!
Wc part? Bell, bow or edge? You tried adjusting threshold, or other settings in the module? Or maybe try a different ride preset.
@@ProjectBeats_ yup, tried already adjusting the threshold but still same.. Its actually the bow that has double triggering issues.. And the edge it seems hard to trigger as well.. 😑 About the different preset, how do i go about it?.. Actually im kinda newbie w/ edrums that's why I'm having a hard time with it...
What is your module? You can try edit drum and change the drum type, that is a preset. There should be a couple different types of ride there.
Also I used my own piezo with the membrane and results aren't the greatest. I figured a piezo is a piezo??? Maybe I need thier box? I used 27 mm
It’s probably their circuitry in their trigger box that makes the diff. But I’m not totally sure. I don’t know exactly what they are using. You could probably replicate it or may have done so already. I just share my experience with it.
你好.我想知这个触发器在哪里购买.我是中国大陆的
Ebay, go-edrum.
Saan nakakabili nyang cymbals na ganyan sir na my butas butas??? Plan ko mag build dito sa pinas e thanks po
Got mine from alibaba. Tong xiang company name.
@@ProjectBeats_ anong tawag sa ganyan bro?
Low volume cymbal
Thanks sir. Nga pala sir mas thimik pala pg naka open ung mga heads sa ilalim ng toms nkta ko lng sa iba hehehe
Pinoy k bro? Papaturo sana ko sayo mag convert heheh
What do you need help with, besides what I have covered?
@@ProjectBeats_ I thought you're in the Philippines hehe
I wish I could go back for the holidays tho. Iba ang pasko sa pinas.
Sabe na Pinoy ka e heheheh.. Pero ang channel mo pang foreigner datingan puro english mga comments kc
Glad there not zildjian lol
😅😂