Johnny vs. Bayonetta 3
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It's the last Versus video of the year, and I wanted to end on an explosive note. Is Bayonetta 3 more than that, though? Hopefully.
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You can tell Lewis edited this with all those Devil May Cry references sprinkled in all over the place.
I'm convinced he did that to kill anyone who tries to play a drinking game. Probably revenge for us all calling him out on it.
*distant ding*
Farewell kidney's to those who were drinking.
_BSC makes a new God Of War commentary_
Lewis: "So did you know that in Devil May cry........."
You know it’s gonna be a good when Lewis is editing
Going into Bayo 3 right after I played Yakuza Like a Dragon was some whiplash in experiencing how well you can pull off a torch pass, holy shit
elaborate?
@@ccshade7294
Yakuza Like a Dragon has an entire chapter thats flat out titled "passing the torch" where the new protagonist Ichiban gets into a boss fight with the old series protag, Kiryu. Its probably the best torch pass in video games
Contrasting that by immediately going into Bayo was fucking WILD to see how bad you can fuck it up
Piracy is the way.
considering that Yakuza is a story driven series with actual character development, not surprising they put way more effort into that
@@ramonandrajo6348 >One criticism of the game
>YOU HAVE TO PIRATE
Johnny's "Get the fuck outta here" had me in stitches
This honestly makes me hyped for whenever Johnny does the Devil May Cry series.
A lot of the criticism he has for Bayonetta are things DMC, specifically 3, 4 and 5 and even DmC to an extent, do better than Bayonetta.
The stories in DMC are simple and they use that simplicity for the better. They also allow the characters to breathe. Yes they're cool and do cool things, but there's more to them than seen on the surface.
I hope you get to tackle DMC some time in the future.
The thing I love about DMC is that the story is simple, but the characters have multiple layers to them and you see how they grow as people throughout the games.
@@Tokumastu1 Dante being a great example. See how Dante acts in 3 and 4 and then look at his incarnation in 5. He's still Dante, but he's more mellow than he's ever been in that game and that quiet but still jokey attitude adds more to his character than outright takes away.
@@jaretco6423 gameplay I personally like better than Bayo. It's slower compared to Bayonetta, but its still a very deep and rewarding combat system.
I feel Johnny will definitely enjoy the combat of the DMC series. Specifically 3, 4 and 5.
@@jaretco6423 3 is a good place to start. Both canonically, since it takes place before 1 and it's where the series found its footing, both story and character wise as well as gameplay.
@@jaretco6423 Given his taste in characters I think he'd enjoy the stories and the character progression throughout the series.
Viola was supposed to be Bayonetta’s Nero, but I’m pretty sure Viola inherited too much of Luka’s butt monkiness
You also don't get a whole 2 games with her to cement her self in the cast like Nero, so it's a much harder sell making her the new main umbra witch compared to making Nero the new main devil hunter.
I’ve referred to Viola as Nero without any of the things that made Nero cool.
And the battle against dark Bayonetta is a far cry from Nero’s battle against Vergil.
@@fissilewhistle stop hating
Yeah she definitely did which is what put me off of the ending. In my opinion Viola didn't do anything worth inheriting the name, so I felt disappointed.
The problem with umbran climax wasn't that it was overpowered. The problem was that to compensate for that power, most of your other abilities were made weaker. Witch time in Bayonetta 2 was made shorter compared to Bayonetta 1, especially against bigger or enraged enemies, and if an enemy was big and enraged, you would get practically zero witch time. On top of this, enemies were made more resistant to being staggered, juggled, or thrown around than in the first game unless you're in witch time or using umbran climax. Witch time making enemies more susceptible to staggers was technically in the first game, but it wasn't nearly as prevalent as it is in 2.
Magic abilities also suffered. Torture attacks were worthless in 2 because using them meant not being able to use umbran climax. The only time torture attacks were worth using was against the sloth enemy, AKA the worst enemy type in Bayonetta 2. Instant wicked weaves were also made worthless because, again, using them meant not having magic for umbran climax. In fact, all wicked weaves in Bayonetta 2 deal significantly less damage than in Bayonetta 1 because if they didn't, umbran climax would be outright broken instead of just being a crutch you all but have to rely on. Lastly, Bayonetta 2 is much more stingy with magic than its predecessor. Taunting enemies gives half or less magic than it did before. Dodging enemy attacks no longer gives magic at all, and attacking enemies doesn't give as much magic either. Again, these changes were made because without them, umbran climax would be even more broken than it already is.
All these changes, combined with more aggressive enemies that can break your combos much more often than in Bayonetta 1, and sometimes outright dodge THROUGH your attacks and wicked weaves, result in a game where you have to play reactively and defensively, as opposed to Bayonetta 1 where aggressive and proactive play was encouraged. And all of this is because of umbran climax.
Him giving shit to the Demon Slave system but talking about Umbran Climax positively got to me.
Like it was visually cool, but it had no substance to it and actively hurt the game by how much weaker Bayonetta was made to make Umbran Climax feel powerful.
The Demon Slave system actually compliments the core mechanics and encourages mixing it in with Bayonetta's normal combat, instead of hurting the core mechanics by making everything else that used magic redundant.
@@Robbie_Haruna Glad I'm also not alone in that thought.
With all due respect to Johnny, I genuinely couldn't disagree more with his assertion on that mechanic or the conclusion of Bayonetta 2 in particular being the better product in comparison to 3.
While Bayonetta 3 balance wise isn't entirely without issues, the changes it actually fixed compared to it's predecessor adds up a lot and at the very least enemies actually having more knockback/stagger properties outside of WT + WT lasting long enough to get in more combos makes revisiting Bayo 3 much more enticing. Demon Slave adds a lot more to the core combat than it takes away, which is the exact opposite of what I'd say for Umbran Climax.
In all honesty whenever I see Bayo 2 lapped up with 1 in mechanically polish and depth, I can't help by side-eye especially when it comes to criticisms towards Bayo 3's approach.
@@FullmetalX4 So, which is the best of the Trilogy?
Just wanna know
@@ethejumper6568 im late to this but that really depends on you if your looking for a challenge b1 is your go too if flashy stylish battles are what your looking for then b3 is ya girl and if you want a mix of both with a somewhat decent plotline then b2 is great pick up
It's amazing to hear a different side of people talking about the series after only hearing Woolie, Pat, and Suzi talk about it. The idea that some of the things didn't get to Johnny is surprising, when it sounded like everybody I follow had the same issues.
The worst part about Jeanne isn't how bad she got done in the story. It's that she is only playable in side missions.
I'm not a coffee guy, but waking up to a new Johnny video ain't half bad!
i'm a tea guy
@@jonathanwilson7949 tea is pretty based
I prefer soda 🥤
If they wanted to turn Viola into the main character for future games then they should have had HER do most of the interaction with alternate universe Bayonettas.
Ok, I gotta say this. The moment he brought up MegaMan, I was silently pleading for him to say the Zero Series. It is my favorite series in the franchise. I'm super excited for this
I wonder if he's gonna bring up the combo/hit priority system in those reviews, especially in 3.
Seeing this review just makes me want a Devil May Cry marathon even more.
I’d love to see a devil my cry marathon
He said he'd do one in the update he made about a year ago. Should be after Mega Man and a Mortal Kombat retrospective.
@@antelasic1950 don’t forget final fantasy VIII and IX
I felt the same about the story and Viola. The gameplay was definitely the highlight (with Bayonetta that is.) I HIGHLY reccomend Astral Chain. It's really fun and the story although somewhat predictable, is held up with it's world building. It became my favorite games I played back in 2021 and I hope that sequel rumor is true.
Astral chain has excellent gameplay but the writing is awful
I like Astral chin more then any Bayonetta.
@@doomdimensiondweller5627 I agree
@@novustalks7525 Eh, it's not awful. Just somewhat generic imo. The worldbuilding is great tho.
@@ultimax10doesgaming48 nah its awful. Nothing makes sense or is explained
I have not had this many mixed feelings with a game in a long time.
KH3?
@@sean.anthony6044 Oh please, that game blew my expectations out of the water. I have no issues with the wait, especially after the DLC. This game just felt aimless
Not gonna lie I called Sigurd being singularity as soon as he was mentioned
And the game pretty poorly communicates that Singularity _replaced_ the Sigurd Jeanne finds, and that he wasn't actually evil.
That Sigurd was made the brain of the Alphaverse homunculus.
@@LS95774 must've been very poor i didn't notice that at all
@@eldragon5247 there's one scene as soon as they enter the Alphaverse after you play as Madama, where Viola looks up at a Sigurd corpse attached to the homonculi and Bayo says "We've been had"
THAT'S apparently the one from Bayo's universe that was taken and replaced by Singularity, who is on the other side of the portal and killing Jeanne
"Wait for a price drop"
Is a Nintendo game, that means never
ehhhh, bayonetta and luka were always a thing if ya pay attention. the plot of the whole first game is about them raising a child together. however, their actual dynamic shifted 180 to a degree i thought was weird. like now all of a sudden luka is the ambivalent edgy mysterious badass and bayonetta is the hopeless romantic reverently chasing him? when did that happen? its just so unearned
Johnny coming through with the late Christmas gift this year!! Probably my favorite present! :)
I feel like the game's camera and the enemy design is what really brings down Viola's combat style. Most of the time its pulled waaaaay far back to help keep an eye on the larger enemies and allow for the kaiju battles. The problem is for parry style combat you need to keep track of the little tells and details in character movement to react properly. So you have really jello wobbly looking enemies that are hard to read with a camera pulled way back making parry timing on reaction very difficult. Its also not helped by the fact that Viola gets very little play time compared to Bayonetta's more fluid combat making it feel herky jerky unless you basically put in time to practice which doesn't feel rewarding because again she isn't playable for most of the game.
Story wise the game feels so rushed and the repetitive nature of go to world, see new bayonetta, see her get killed, weapon get, repeat really hurts this trying to be Bayo's final adventure. Its like it wants to be a huge epic but the build up is poor and falls flat at the finish line. Like the final battle tries to make the big bad feel like he is a threat in the worse way possible by getting punched to the moon, beat up by the bayonetta army, punched back into the planet, stabbed by viola, fought by a team up of bayo 1,2 and 3, they then fusion dance into 1 and that still doesn't beat him. At that point what does kill him is a complete anti climax because hitting him with ALL THE BAYONETTAS isn't enough to kill him so when he does die it feels like a cop out.
The fact that Viola never gets a round on the final boss is also a huge mistep. This game keeps on getting compared to DMC4 for good reason and one of the things they got right was having Nero have half the journey dedicated to him and let him be the one to beat the big bad in the end. Viola gets 3 stages and most of her boss fights are against werewolf Luka and she mainly fails for comedy in most of her story bits and pretty much just gets dropped during the finale where where she jobs to the big bad in an unplayable cutscene. After that suddenly Dark Eve boss fight and she is the new Bayonetta. This would be like if Nero only got to fight the big demons during the first half but never got to have his levels in the finale and Dante solved everything but Dante still let him keep the Yamato at the end.
Even ignoring DMC(which I haven't played them, maybe I should cause the story and repetitive music killed my attempts to play bayo 2), Halo 2 a game with one of the most infamous developments in the game industry, managed to have a good balance of it's protags despite it being Arbiter's story.
I am very excited that the zero series is next because I've played those games to death. And if you have time left I want to recommend the azure striker gunvolt series. Which is basically a spiritual successor to the zero series, especially gunvolt 3 which has become one of my new favorite games alongside zero 3. All of these games are very short both zero and gun volt so maybe you could also look at gun volt after the zero series.
Arc chain mechanic is a dream come true to me. I LOVE arc chain so much.
Funny how gunvolt 3 and Bayonetta 3 sorta mirror each other. They both did a mantle pass to less than desirable results.
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The difference is, I actually like Kirin.
@@oguzhangungor9117 and you could make an argument that Copen got treated better than Jeanne. It’s left in the air if he’s alive or not, but I’ll take that than certain death.
Astral Chain is great. Would love to see you play it and share your thoughts
“Always wanted to visit Germany’
*zooms in on Belgium’s flag*
Of course I’m a Belgian watching this video from Germany currently to make the joke go full circle.
I honestly would've been fine with Bayonetta ending up with either Jaune ore Luka, she has close friendships and a personal respect for both of them with both of them. My problem is, if the writers were going to put Bayonetta together with anyone, they should've spent more time developing the romance. Through the whole first 2 games, I didn't get the feeling that Bayonetta was into anyone, so much as it felt like she was developing a found-family.
Here's the thing, they did spend time developing the romance. With Jeanne. The entirety of Bayonetta 2 gave me MAJOR lesbian vibes as someone who is one myself. It was literally their free romance option if they ever wanted to give Bayonetta a partner and they went with the character they explicitly built her to have ZERO romantic chemistry with. Not just that, but they easily could have kept Bayonetta 1 + 2 in the same timeline if they did that I think.
@@nikkimvee4710 I respectfully disagree. In all fairness, I am neither female nor homosexual, so I don't think I'm qualified to say whether or not 2 female characters are into each other.
Personally, I didn't get any romantic hints from Bayonetta and Jaune in B2. Granted, it's a textbook Orphic rescue story, but it looked more like a blood sister trying to save the one person in the world who could honestly understand how she feels. Bayonetta and Jaune are displaced by time, in a world entirely different from the world they grew up in where their entire culture is gone. Bayonetta would've save Jaune regardless what her personal feelings were.
On a separate note, I'm honestly curious, how do you tell the different between true "lesbian vibes" and a healthy platonic friendship? I'm sorry if this comes off as offensive, but I'm asking as someone on the asexual spectrum (demisexual to be exact).
Also, Bayo 3 is SUPERW@KE too.
@@nikkimvee4710 Hard disagree on that Lesbian vibe it almost feel like people forget that females can have a healthy platonic relationship without it being romance... she rescued her best friend cause she cares for those around her.
@@doniarts To be fair, there is a massive grey area between romance and healthy platonic relationships. In both cases the people involved are mutually respectful, supportive, and affectionate. Unless their orientation is specifically hinted or their feelings are directly addressed, the relationship can justifiably be interpreted either way. Especially since a lot of couples begin as healthy platonic friends, even more so for people on the homosexual or asexual spectrums.
Another reason people ship platonic same-sex friends is because those friendships are often more fleshed out than the actual romance. There's something of a literary blind-spot where people immediately assume the leading man and leading lady end up together. So, a lot of main couples end up dreadfully bland and underdeveloped because the writer doesn't spend the necessary time convincing the reader that these two characters actually love each other before the big kiss. Conversely, the best friend characters in these situations seem more appealing from a romantic sense. Because the narrative handily displays the bond between these characters, and from the readers perspective, that close bond could translate to a healthy relationship.
Bayonetta x Luka is such a victim of this, which is why people gravitate Bayonetta x Jaune so much.
0:38 Johnny says he always wanted to visit Germany, shows the Belgium flag 🧐
I really should get back to finishing Bayonetta 1! I still haven’t finished it
I beat the first Bayonetta many years ago, but I don't remember it being a positive experience - Game was kicking my ass so I lowered the difficulty, but then it became way too easy (easier than DMC4 or V on Human, even, and I beat both of those on Devil Hunter) and combos became automated so I wasn't even in full control of what I wanted to do, and the overabundance of QTEs not only made the game dated, but they also sucked.
Bottom line is, I still want to try out Bayo 2 at some point, but I really do hope it's a more balanced title.
@@marcellosilva9286 Trust me, Bayo 2 is the most balanced of the trilogy...assuming you have Amiibo to help you rake in money to buy the essential upgrades.
While I can't say I agree with you on the story part (Though I admit I thought it was a mess, had to take a break at a point since it felt like it was meandering), Singularity I agree is a terrible villain. It's strange how after Baldir this series really can't do good villains right, and even then he isn't "technically" one as we find out in 2. It's more like what the villains DO in the story is supposed to compensate for personality and motivation, but that only goes so far, y'know?
And that only REALLY works for a story like The Lord of the Rings with antagonists like Sauron and Saruman. A stylish in-your-face character action game works best when the adversaries you're setting yourself to stylishly tearing down are properly built up. You know. So there's SOMETHING to work toward tearing down.
Even the first game's antagonist sort of just dumps everything he is and wants to do on you all in one big heap right before you fight him, leaving the overall plot and mystery of the Vigrid adventure to carry the weight for most of the story's runtime. It's not particularly great.
there are two accessories to mitigate two of your issues, one that prevents the demons from going berserk, and one that makes them opporate on their own when summoened so its like having a party member controled by AI so you can still play as bayonetta
The one for letting the demons do their own thing was so much fun to use ngl
Also actually gave a use to all their more complex moves you can unlock, cause I sure as heck can't rememeber the controls for them on the fly
automated summons kinda suck, you can already just weave in combos with your summons by using long strings or special moves.
Does the one that has them act on their own still require you to hold the button down? Do they still go away as soon as you dodge? Those aspects were more annoying to me than the actual controlling of them.
Does he go into it? Nope! If its something that irks him personally he will dock points for it
@@streamofthesky Yes, and...yes. sadly.
Bayo being bi is the biggest amount of mass headcanon ive ever seen.
People do this shit all the time. Are teo people of the same gender friends? Well, they must be gay you can't be close to your friends without it being gay.
Bayonetta and Jeanne can't just be friends because they care about each other, so they have to be gay.
@@stempest7218 That's the case with all of shipping, not just gay, and it's typically strongest when two characters have better chemistry than their designated love interests which is the case here. Even from a dramatic standpoint, Jeanne makes more sense than Luka considering she was a big part of the story in the first game and the second game was centered around rescuing her. Luka has been nothing but the comic relief with occasional moments of ship tease that also felt like jokes more than anything.
Bayo and Jeanne’s relationship with one another is not romantic, but familial. There are more incentives to plunge into hell to save someone and more means of affection that aren’t romantic. Jeanne and Bayo are the last remaining Umbra Witches in existence. Their bond and their desire to keep each other safe is for the sake of preserving their heritage; so that their culture won’t completely die. And Jeanne kinda spells it out with no in-between line reading when she refers to Bayo as her “Sister”.
@ManOutofTime913 I'm not saying it only happens with gay shipd. It's just much more prevalent with gay ships.
But it does bother me just as much when people act like men and women can't be friends or people act like someone of the opposite sex they had had one line dialogue with should marry. I just hate shippers in general.
Also you completely missing my original point. Bayonetta and Jeanne were p ly shown as friends. Their good chemistry was still just friendship. I mean no shit Bayonetta originally got on better with Jeanne she knew her a lot longer than Luca. As for Bayonettas chemistry with Luca was always implied to be romantic with her constantly flirting with luca.
Bayonetta and Jeanne are just friends and shippers who can never just accept friends are friends headcannoned them to be a couple and now they are pissy thier made up fanfic isn't canon.
Also the amount of ships people puzh gay or straight were people make up or exaggerate characters chemistry or even worse ignore the horrible implications of the relationship or things one of the characters did to each other is staggering.
Also love interests can be side characters they don't have to be main characters or characters who the plot revolves around. It can just be a side character who occasionally appears and gets along with main character. Also luca had a pretty big role in the first game with him learning to get over his father's death.
Only losers ship
The reason why Bayo reminds people of little Cereza is because it is Little Cereza grown up.
I don't consider this game my least favorite as I really like the demon summoning stuff and the constant instant kill stuff of Bayo 1 definitely wasn't great, but I think this game definitely feels the least "cooked". Like Bayo 1 and 2 felt like games that had their visions realized. Bayo 3 feels like a game that got kneecapped by *something*. Be it the hardware, a changing scope, or behind-the-scenes stuff (and from what I hear, all three might be true), Bayo 3 DEFINITELY has the feeling of something that wanted to try something more ambitious but had to dial it back/cut things out at a late stage.
Whatever form Bayo 4 takes needs to be something absolutely doable on whatever hardware it ends up on. Because 3, for as much as I like it, absolutely feels like something that had all ambitions yanked from it.
Well with any luck Bayo 4 won't have its primary director leave halfway through, which is probably a large part of change in direction and fumbled ambitions.
Though honestly in dropping the Open world aspect it may have been partially a blessing in disguise, because open world is pretty much always a terrible mix for these kinds of games. It just adds an assload of bloat.
This seems as good an opportunity as any to put this in writing. Bayonetta 3 is NOT a bad game. The gameplay is as solid as we've come to expect by this point, and the new mechanics introduced are well-implemented and really fun. That said, the game's ending is what killed any inclination I may have had to replay it (SPOILERS AHEAD).
Mind you, this isn't about the issues I've heard people had with the shipping direction the writers went for. That was never an issue for me. My issue is with how they axed 80% of the series main cast including the title character. The whole thing just left a bad taste in my mouth. As I was watching the ending unfold onscreen, I admit, I wasn't sure what to think. But the more I thought about it after the fact, the more I came to realize that NO, this was NOT how one of these games should have ended. These characters deserved better. I get that they went for the whole passing-of-the-torch angle, but it just didn't do it for me, especially since we've had less than one game to get fully acquainted with the recipient of said torch. See, one thing I loved about the endings of B1 and B2 is that, in execution, there was always this potent feeling of triumph in how they were presented. In comparison, B3's ending is a downer, all told. I play these games for fun. Knowing how this one ends fundamentally undermines that for me.
Yeah. That basically sums up my thoughts on the ending.
It is bad. The gameplay is sluggish, the camera angle is a nuisance. Jeanne and Viola are just annoying to play as. Viola should just have never existed in the first place
@@novustalks7525 Why are you going trough every comment saying that it was a good game telling them it wasn't? that seems very pathetic and obsessive.
He did not enjoy the game, therefore no one else is allowed to either.
@@oscarzxn4067 He's a troll probably.
Saying the gameplay is sluggish is actually objectively incorrect and it's not even funny lmao
Johnny is getting to The Zero Series knowing the Battle Network Legacy Collection is out in April. Better late than never I guess
I don't understand the comment "wait for a price drop" for Nintendo games, that's likely not gonna happen in a long time, if ever.
"You may as well buy them new!"
~ Scott the woz
and if it does happen they only drop by what $3 at best
You'd think someone who has been gaming for so long would've learned that by now; the amount of time wasted, say maybe a year, by waiting for what, a $10 drop, is hardly worthwhile.
Prices on physical Nintendo games in the UK are often a chunk lower than the standard retail price for them. The retail price is £50 (pounds for those who don't know what the £ sign is) for first party Nintendo games, but most sites sell them at £40 instead, one place even as low as £35 BEFORE they release. So it makes absolutely no sense for me to go digital when I can get three physical copies of games for a little bit more than the price of two digital versions of the same games. And if I've had enough of the game, I'll just sell it on, like I did with Skyward Sword HD, which cost me just £1 in the end. Something I can't do with digital games.
I could tell this was edited by Lweis just by the DMC 4 clips. XD
Happy New Year, everyone!
Commenting from the middle of this video Johnny and I can confirm that Astral Chain is a VERY good game. Personally, I'd replay it any day over bayo 3, but thats moreso to do with how completely fresh astral felt. I still appreciate videos on Bayo 3 because as a long running fan of this franchise I wanna see how other people perceive this really strange entry in the franchise.
This is one of those games that I think Nintendo *should've* interfered more during its production because it's clear that even they were getting impatient with what Platinum was doing during 3's long, protracted development. They were patient and largely hands-off for this long because they trusted in them enough after W101, Bayo 2 and Astral Chain to put out a quality product, but there has to be a breaking point somewhere and this should've been it. Have them involved more during the design process, and you'd have a significantly tighter, more focused game.
Considering that Nintendo now solely owns the Astral Chain IP, any sequels made with Platinum would have to go through them first and they would have the final say on things during development. Which honestly would make it less like Bayo 3 and more akin to Nier Automata ironically enough since AC's director was the co-lead designer for that game.
As much as Nintendo didn't want to impede on Kamiya's and the rest of the team's vision for this game, it was pretty clear from the final product that they should've stepped in much sooner.
Yeah... Nintendo is treating Platinum like Sony did Kojima with death Stranding and we all know how divised Death Stranding was to the point where I start to question if the reason Metal Gear games were as good as they were was because Konami constantly trying to keep Kojima in check. And this is coming from someone who loves Death Stranding.
@@diegomedina9637 The difference though is that Nintendo merely expected a finished game with Bayo 3 and were largely hands-off during its development, meaning they weren't aware of most of the issues happening during development (which is why I thought Nintendo should've stepped in sooner, not all executive meddling is a bad thing).
Sony on the other hand did everything to please Kojima, providing him with all of the tech and money to make Death Stranding with complete creative control. They knew exactly the kind of game that he was going to make and were willing to please him as much as possible up until he was finished with it.
Thank you for another wonderful year of cozy content, Johnny. I hope you had a nice 2022 and that your 2023 is absolutely great for you.
i just finish playing bayonetta 1 and 2, can't wait for the next one.
3 is a disappointment
I agree with a lot of this - looking forward to your views on Astral Chain!
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Oh, the comparisons is strong with this one.
You know Johnny, you can queue the delayed demon slave attacks and return to controlling Bayonetta while the demon plays out their animations, letting you control both Bayonetta and the demon at the same time if done optimally, and you can chain different demons and their attacks together by swapping them out mid combo.
I was gonna say he massively undersold the Demon Slave system. There's so much room for creativity with it and to call it worse than Umbran Climax (which while stylish had no substance at all,) is a big disservice to the mechanic when the game is very smartly designed around juggling Bayo and Demon attacks.
@@Robbie_Haruna exactly
i love all the DMC hints
please do a dmc marathon
Bayonetta 3 is the "Spider-Man 3" in the series to me. Ambitious in scale and crammed full of content, falls flat on it's face in country fresh manure in terms of execution. Have to spend more time fighting the camera than the enemies, especially when the enemies are large and you have to use the just as large "Infernal Summon" to deal major damage to them. Not a fan of playing "Scrappy's" (sorry Viola's) levels, just want to get through them and back to Bayonetta's. Jeanne's levels are a nice little diversion where I don't have to fight the camera so that's a plus. I don't think this is a game that I will replay as often as the prior installments and gives caution to future installments (sequel and prequel Cereza games).
Johnny with da Gold chain on goes crazy
Anyone remember Scalebound? Looks like when that game was canned they inserted the gameplay into Bayonetta 3 probably.
Hope you all enjoyed the holidays!
If you ask me, I think ALOT of people mad at Bayo Luka being a thing based their arguments in alot of circumstantial evidence. Especially when it comes to Bayo 2
Yes, she went to hell to save Jeanne, but there is very little, if anything at all, to imply she WOULDNT do that for Luka. It was just Jeanne cause of the circumstances at hand. After all, Bayonetta isnt really a character to lay back and do things halfway
The ending still got on my good side cause I am a sucker for what it did for the final boss and credit scene, so even if it is some level of 'character assassination' its so little for me to even particularly care
Merry Christmas, Johnny, and a Happy New Year!
Merry Christmas!
I had similar feelings about the Bayo 3: fun combat but story was lacking. Viola was meh with her parry. But I had fun for the most part. I also had a glitch during the end credits where after finishing one of the bosses during the credits with a multi hitting move, the sound effect kept playing in the background and it was hilarious. I hope Bayo 4 does a better job by not having any backlash problems before releasing.
Will you ever get to review No More Heroes 3 or Psychonauts 2?
Only thing I know about this game was the ending was "911 for the gays" -patrick boiven.
Enjoy the new year, Johnny. Make that first cup of coffee a good one.
And I'll be waiting for that Zero series review. It's in the name, after all.
Honestly kinda surprised you didn't really like the gameplay all that much. After marathoning all three games I can agree on the story but I felt this had the most refined gameplay the series has had ever. The infernal summons can be hit or miss, literally the best one is locked behind completing the game and the next best thing is the very first you get. But overall I feel it stuck the landing twofold for gameplay loop.
Story though, meh. Viola too was the absolute low point of the game I never liked any part of her, nor her gameplay style she was frustrating. Whereas Bayo felt good to smoothly chain dodges into attacks, viola however did not. If anything her parry bullshit felt like a complete screeching halt to combat with a hit or miss on whether or not it'd even be worth it.
Even the ending was *really* not great. Felt hamfisted and weird, like you said with the death of Jeane being bizarrely sudden and anticlimactic, and how forced the sudden romance of Luka and Bayo was, even down to her sudden death and the admittedly worrying post credits that show viola to be what I will assume is the last remaining umbra witch now, and honestly not one I have as much interest in as I did Bayonetta. Good gameplay, Bad story.
Although;
I am still pretty hyped for Cereza and the Lost Demon because having gotten a chance to sort of demo it in bayo 3 was fun, and it showed me that maybe that game will be better than the preview shown at TGA gave it credit to be. Who knows, maybe with more in the side series of Bayonetta Origins we can at least get some interesting divergences in the overall gameplay style while still exploring the universe that we only got a brief, all too brief, taste of in this one. And if you, the reader, don't know how to get that demo, its not particularly worth it if you dont already have some vested interest in the game, but if you do its a short 10 minute romp showing off the graphical style and gameplay loop by beating the game, buying a key item, and going to 3 separate levels to get special items that only appear after completion.
You planning on doing a review of Bayonetta Origins: Cereza and the Lost Demon? Maybe after you're done with with your Mega Man Marathon?
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Yup. Pretty much sums up how i feel about Bayo3. It is absolutely astonishing to play a Bayonetta game with zero replay value.
The irony is if Taylor wanted the game to fail so hard, she was better off keeping herself quiet until the game was released. Instead she just gave it a bigger chance to win more people over.
You forgot to mention her addition to smash brothers. Couple of my friends played bayonetta thanks to that
Having beat Bayonetta 3 today, I can say that Bayonetta 3 is a good game and was worth the hype, the weapon selection is huge and has a large verity, the bosses there also great, the controls were just as fluid and tight as it was in the previous game, and I do like the story and found its final serves during the final boss to be "ohhhhhh!"
Tho despite that, there are some cons that I do agree on. While the weapon selection is huge and I do like how much variety there is, I find it disappointing that you can swap them in either your legs or arms like you can in the previous game (which is something you forgot to talk about), I'm also not the fan of Viola's gameplay and how it reminds me of Raiden from Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance, and also I'm glad I'm not the only one who agrees that Viola's Witch Time is super finicky to get even after doing the perfect Parry and I also found the ending to be a VERY BIG "Oh gosh I can't believe they did that".
And in all honesty, from how Viola has little to do in Bayonetta 3, the one Kraken boss that shows up at the begging of the game and never appears until the Post Credits, Luka's origin never being explain as well as his romance with Bayonetta being forced, and how Bayonetta got one of the Chaos Gears Off-Screen, it makes me think one thing.......Bayonetta 3 was Cleary rush during its development.
Now before anyone ask, NO, that does not mean Bayonetta 3 is the Darksiders 3, Kirby Star Allies and/or Sonic Forces of the Bayonetta series, it IS a finish product, and YES, I DO love Bayonetta 3 and considered it a great game, and I'm really wondering on what future planes that the Bayonetta series is gonna have, I'm just saying that Bayonetta 3 has some cut corners, tho considering the Deveopment Hell that this game went though, its no surprise to be like this.
Again I'll say this, Bayonetta 3 is a good game, and while I do prefer Bayonetta 2, I can say that Bayonetta 3 was worth the wait, and I'm really excited to see what future plans that this series is going to be going though next.
So Johnny, really good review you did.
Thanks for reviewing Michael Bayonetta
Astral Chain is definitly a game I'd love to see Johnny Review, cause it's on my list of top 5 games of all time. It's one of those, if you love it. It's on the same level of crazy as Metal Gear Rising Revengence.
Merry Christmas btw Johnny!
And as for Bayo 3.. honestly I felt pretty mixed after beating the game. Game is fine don't me get wrong, but feels like a letdown compared to Bayo 2.
Yeah Bayo 2 like an actual sequel while 3 feels like something else. Bayo herself also lacks a lot of the charm she did in the past games, also pretty mixed on Jennifer Hale's performance.
@@D1ab0lical Bayo missing something honestly soley comes from her not having any traveling companions. Most of her time is the Bayo solo show whereas 1 and 2 had most of the game with someone for her to bounce off of. She's never been a particularily in-depth character, but the most interaction she has with others is very occasional scenes with Viola or Luka.
If nothing else this feels like an actual evolution in terms of combat, compared to 2 which messed a lot up on a mechanical level.
Please let them use the multiverse to ignore the ending of this. Otherwise I'm going to have to think long and hard about whether or not to buy any future Bayonetta games that aren't prequels.
Gonna have to keep saying this as this was brought up in the reivew, bayonetta has had aa clear thing for luka since game one, its been explict that her flirting was because she fancied him, i have zero idea where this idea of "Bayonetta and jeane should be a couple" comes from they never showed any overt romantic tendices towards each other if anything they are closer to sisters then lovers, i can't believe the bayonetta fans have somehow gaslight themselves into thinking bayonetta is into jeane
2:49 For a second I thought you said something WAY different Imaooo
Viola is Just Bayonetta Tawna Bandicoot from Crash 4, Baal Zabul was the best part of the game for me.
Quite often a third entry in a series can make or break, and it sounds to me that this game is awkwardly in the middle.
But of course, I could be speaking nonsense, seeing as I have never touched Bayonetta as of this comment.
Should I ever get around to playing a Bayonetta game, however, I will come back to this comment.
this multiverse shit is so fucking tired
I find it weird how people are upset Beyonetta is straight 😶
I wonder if Johnny knows that another Bayonetta game is on the way. Bayonetta Origins: Cereza and the Lost Demon.
Astral Chain is worth a playthrough, warning though, it starts on easy and you gotta manually switch to normal once you get past the prologue. Nintendo was happy enough with it's sales that they got the full rights from Platinum in exchange for letting them put The Wonderful 101 on non-Nintendo platforms and the director said he has a trilogy worth of ideas and is busy with an unknown project.
I disagree, I spent $60 bucks on day 1 for this game and I spent a lot of time in this game and had so much fun. It was well worth the $60, and I'd gladly pay $60 again if I were to buy this for a friend that enjoys Bayonetta.
Man how long has it been since the first review, ten years or something? Sheeeeeesh
Excited to see you tackle the Mega Man Zero games, as I'm fairly sure I first found you through your first Mega Man marathon, and Zero 2 was the first Mega Man platformer I owned. (First Mega Man period was Battle Network 3, and both games were Christmas presents the same year.) If I may make one recommendation, though? Include ZX and ZX Advent in the marathon. (Y'know, workload permitting by the time you're done with Zero 4.) They might as well be called Zero 5 and Zero 6.
He's including them. He mentioned in his plans for this year that he was going to cover Zero, ZX, and Legends in 2022. Obviously, things didn't quite pan out that way, but I have no reason to believe that his plan has changed beyond the timing.
if you're jumping into the MMZero series, is that gonna include ZX? i know they did a console jump, but ZX is a direct tie-in to Zero
Man, I haven't played the game myself, but damn does this leave me so conflicted.
On one hand: The Japanese Bayonetta outfit is absolutely fire, Yo-yos and Chainsaw Trains are peak weapons
On the other: Gaaaaahhh... Hearing how dirty they did Jeanne just hurts. And trying to cement the Bayo x Luca dynamic /while/ killing both of them off? Man, it's like they wanted Bayo 3 to piss people off.
I'll argue that I could see Bayonetta and Luca working as a pairing if any work whatsoever went into establishing them as having real romantic chemistry, but Luca spents too much of Bayo1 thinking Bayo killed his father for him to have time for much beyond a bit of ogling toward the end, and in Bayo2 he's kind of relegated to the support role of occasional comedy exposition man. Bayo3 needed to do a lot more work to pick up the slack on that angle before it had any right to claim those two as having any real romantic connection in the present, though it COULD have worked as a Bulma-and-Vegeta style premonition of their FUTURE romantic developments.
They made luca canon in the Bayonetta anime that came out forever ago. The relationship is an alpha female with a weak man, far more original than your cliche 🏳️🌈 shipping.
13:27 yes Astral Chain is a Great Game
you’re one of my favorite content creators. happy new year!
"All the multiverse Lukas combined to make him a wolf" So he's Titan Tails
yes astral chain is really good, try it. just be prepared for a totally anime plot and so many nods to anime like mr. Im totally not gendo ikari
If you wonder why this game take quite long ass time to come out let me tell you. You mentioned Bayo 3 borrow some mechanic from Astral Chain but that's not all PG and Kamiya wanted the game to be open like Astral Chain but due to pacing issue and technical debt from Switch it was impossible it got so bad that Nintendo have to step in and told them to finishing the game
The game had some ideas in development, but midway trough development it also lost its primary director when he left the company, leading to a fairly major shakeup. The game had some open world discussions in development too, but that ended up being scrapped (whether it was due to technical reasons or they didn't feel it was a good fit.) Frankly the Demon Slave mechanic isn't borrowed from Astral Chain either, it's a similar concept but has a very different dynamic of juggling demon attacks and Bayo attacks.
Frankly dropping the open world idea was probably a blessing in disguise. That's basically always ass for games like this and just results in a ton of padding (which Astral Chain had a decent amount of.)
Yeah gonna be honest here. I originally wasn’t going to buy the game to support Hellena Taylor, but when the further information came out, I bought the game out to spite her. I don’t regret buying the game.
Johnny vs Astral Chain would be badass 👀
They biggest and most offensive problem with this game is that Bayonetta isn't cool anymore. The first two games were over-the-top and kinda cheesy, but they were also sexy and badass.
In this game, Bayonetta is a dorky child with godawful fashion sense trying to act like a sexy adult, and it's just embarrassing to watch. We went from Batman Returns to Batman & Robin in one fell swoop.
About making Viola the MC. Devil May Cry seems to be doing this but there it had buildup. Nero got time to establish himself before the next game were he will probably take center stage. Viola never got that. This is a weird comparison but the Saw movies did this to and also failed with Lieutenant Hoffman. They never gave Hoffman time to stand on his own as a villain with John Cramer taking up all the attention.
Do NOT write off Astral Chain Johnny.
Pleaaasssseee give it a try, it deserves the attention.
It’s a solid 8.5/10. A must have for the switch
And just like that, Johnny explains why I hated the new Bayonetta design. I'm certain the reason why I couldn't put my finger on it is because I BARELY remember the story of the previous games.
At first I thought Johnny was going to be heading to Devil May Cry next given all the references in the video, but I’m guessing that’s later next year due to mentioning going to cover DMC in the SomeCallMeJohnny Direct.
I bought the 80 dollar collection edition and I did it where I paid it of every 2 weeks for 2 months
Same. It feels surreal to have the complete trilogy after so long. Plus the new alternate cover art for 1&2 is marvelous
B3 is that kind of game that starts great but leaves you with a few scratches, then it starts getting weird in the middle giving you "no, no, no" vibes anytime Viola acts like she's more than an acquaintance to Bayonetta, to HELL NO by the moment Lukaon appears. XD
It's the first Bayonetta game that ended with me NOT being to play the credits sequence. It's the only Bayo game every streamer CUTS the credits sequence with Moonlight Serenade battle because none of them are happy by that point, and it's the only game in the series that made me look at the main protagonist and think: Why are you so dumb, girl?
For a woman who should be always in control, control is taken away from her and when she finally decides to act she do the wrong choices. I mean, the game even tells us she and Madama have a special relationship, so why in the hell she decided to summon the wildest, most uncontrollable, and most volatile Demon at her last stand?
It's so dumb, actually. Bayo 2 stopped using Gomorrah as soon as he turned against her. B3 sees him trying to kill her at the start and thinks: You know what is a good idea? Summon the most volatile demon possible almost without power just because.
Again, Bayonetta was never about the story, but this game pushes for it so hard and does it so wrong. Bayo 1 was just camp for being camp, Bayo 2 actually tried to explain better the world, the reasons, and the characters, it wasn't aiming for the best story-telling but it did everything nicely.
B3 aimed big, and shoot ourselves in the foot so many times, and you can see Platinum struggled making this game, they wanted to make a big game with open world, and I'm sure as hell the story would be different if they had achieved that AND Nintendo didn't have cut their time out (not that cutting their time is the right term, they did take a fucking long time making this game).
Lmfao the irony I was just watching your video and I get a notification for a new video woohooo
You CANNOT revisit all the chapters with Jeanne. Just a note.
Yes, Astral Chain is very good. Play it.
I genuinely had the most fun with this entry than the other two, mechanically it felt like a natural evolution from the original titles.
Edit: I also disagree saying that the game feels like it's on auto pilot. There are so many switch ups and the game simply doing more than the other two that you can feel the ambition on display. The story is whatever but I not only felt that way about the other two, but I came in kind of expecting Bayonetta doing cool things in cutscenes and that's what I got. And regarding the ending, I liked the idea but yeah, execution was weak but I didn't hate it either.
I do think they should try doing a bit more though like DMC has been doing since forever. lol
I also love how endearingly dorky Viola is personally, and I'd be happy to play games that have her involved. Phenomenal gameplay, actual fun gimmicks, fantastic music my favorite OST of the year, it's my favorite Bayonetta game and my favorite game of the year. It's not a flawless masterpiece but I respect a game that swings big and has some admirable misses than something that just does what works.
I really didn't get a decent chunk of this review to be honest. Like yeah I know the story feels more formulaic in structure, but it definitely kept switching up (and frankly the visual variety that comes from dimension hopping feels like the primary reason why they even did the multiverse stuff and from a gameplay and rule of cool factor, I'd say they succeeded generally.
Viola is a character I'm super interested in seeing going forward.
I love Bayo herself, but let's be real she's always been a fairly static character and I get the impression they wanted to add a character who's more of a slow burn of development. Which I assume they're going to do with Viola to some capacity, yeah right now she's an awkward teenager who can be kind of dorky, but they wanted to differ from the walking badass girlboss that the titular character already was.
That's a nice necklace btw
... I'm *STILL* flabbergasted by the controversy involving this game.
In regards to the game... I guess it was only a matter of time before multiverses or whatever have you was going to be a thing for the series, given how wild it gets.
I'm kinda torn on this assessment of Bayo 3. I play video games for the GAMEPLAY. If I want a Shakespearean Drama Ithen I'll read a book or see a play. If I want an Oscar caliber performance then I'll seek out a nominated movie.
If I'm playing a game, the STORY may be great - but, I'd still likely drop it if the gameplay loop is not fun to me. That being said, while some elements of Bayo 3's story ANNOYED me, there were still some striking moments to be had. Bottom line, for me, was that this game's PLAY was a BLAST was even BETTER ENJOYED on the 2nd play-thru, in my humble opinión - story issues be damned. 👹👹
I understand. I don't play video games for story. Gameplay is always an main factor. No matter how good or bad the story/plot might be, it doesn't effect the core game all that much.
Finally, someone else who likes Viola and though she was done dirty in the game.
I'm gonna have to disagree with the Bayo x Jeanne debacle. Wasn't it established that Bayo 3 Bayonetta is not the same Bayonetta from 1 and 2? I feel that the internet is making a big deal over a nonissue. I'm not saying Bayo x Luka was handled gracefully but it seems like that context flew over most people's heads.
Really? Look obvious to me as obvious as Nero being Vergil's son
Astral Chain has been out for over three years and you've never played it? That's a big surprise! It's one of the best games on the Switch, which is criminally underrated cos people are simply too afraid to try something new and different.
Hoo, boy. Yeah. The Megaman Zero games aren't especially difficult if you just want to get them over with, but they will bend you over if you want to tryhard them. In other words, like Super Mario Odyssey, they heavily reward you for being skilled. And we love them for it.
Bosses not using ultimate attacks at lower ranks is still bullxit.
Ho boy, i'm super excited to see you go through the Zero series they're by far my favorite in the Megaman franchise!