@@reallytiredkoi When I'm in QP I see it almost constantly. Almost exclusively support players flex queuing getting dps or tank and playing weird positions on top of not having tanking or dps basics down.
There's 2 types of player in gold: *LEEEEEEEEEEROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOYYY.... JJJJE....* - you know this one and then there is *hides in the back* . That's it.
This was my vod! Thanks a ton for taking a look at it, and yea I def shouldve waited a day before sending this one bc I literally woke up the next morning and realized I didnt carry at all 😭 I think a lot of my mistakes were a result of not having to pay as much attention to supports in masters bc I WAS the support, and I def put too much effort into picking squishies instead of shredding tank
You're also just super passive for the dps role. That can work well for support. But as a dps player there are some matches where you have to make your own space. Which works well for you since you seem to already have the aim required to play more aggro. You'll be fine.
@@ducasse8473 yea I got tired of onetricking on support so felt like I needed a change of pace, some ppl are saying i should play other DPS but i like sticking to 1 hero at a time so I can actually get good at them
Also one tip for dps thats different from support: Either go for map control, or ensure enemy can't go for map control. Aka control high grounds when they give an advantage, or make sure enemy tank can't push up for free when they're trying to advance. If you master this duality of space control, you'll learn what core dps value is about. Quite different from support because you have to be more proactive and forward thinking at all times, and also move a bit more freely and not sit back behind your team constantly. Safety is good, but off angle safety is better than backline safety when you wanna deny space
What I got from the gameplay is, you don't trust your teammates which forces you to make everything. It felt almost arrogant "I'm better player than these golds" kinda thinking.
I have some advice too if you’ll hear me out. Sometimes u need to flank squishies, sometimes you need to tank bust. It depends on your and enemy lineup. At first tank busting didn’t work because Sigma can eat your assault configuration, that’s when you flank. You waited 4 minutes to flank but when you did, you instantly killed 3. When their tank swapped to Queen, you needed to tank bust, only this time you didn’t have 4 minutes to realize it, and you kept flanking squishies, which can work, but it’s not the best play there on Bastion.
Well said. I think his positioning and everything is fine as a Masters Support. He was just relying on his team to be aggressive and take map space, but the thing in Gold is that people don't really do that either. So he needed to be the one to take more of a "commanding" role instead of being passive and scared like a support.
If you ask me, as a DPS flanking, you have to expect you will die and Support will not be able to save you unless they pocket you. 2nd enemy team was actually playing way better than you think. A flanking bastion is easier to kill than a bastion sitting with the tank.
For real, my favourite play style is dive, so I know the probability of me dying is higher, so it's all about trying to get as much value as I can. Of course I do everything to not die, but I know I will most likely be out of LOS for a bit. If I die, that's on me
He plays a lot like a support DPS. I reckon he probably mains Kiriko by the angles he takes and the solo plays he trys to make. He doesnt understand that when he gets those picks as support it's game changing, but when he doesn't understand you need to deal consistent pressure as DPS to allow your team to go for those picks.
I'm too used to dealing damage from backline because I play zen, so as long as I discord/damage and avoid dying, things go fine. The part I'm not used to on DPS yet is the need to be proactive, but learning that new playstyle is exactly why I've been playing more DPS lately, even if it isn't my strong suit yet
@hwalnut7202 Something you might want to focus on is as DPS you don't need to worry about so many things like you do as support. As a support player you feel like you need to do so much, but as DPS, if you're shooting the Pharah whenever she peeks out or scoped down a choke point, it seems like you're not doing damage, but you're putting pressure on the enemy, not allowing them to peek out or hold favorable angles
@hwalnut7202 Also hitting your shots really matter as DPS. When you're support, you can kinda spam damage and hope it hits (I can understand why you favor Bastion) but as DPS you need to have that kill potential, If anyone is below 70% health you should be able to kill them everytime, this also puts pressure on the enemy to play safer and more reserved, vs knowing they can just heal through spam damage
I'll offer a more detailed take than some of the other "support boosted" comments. For the record, I do agree that support is an overpowered role, but not so much that any player could be Masters while being legitimately Gold in other roles. I think it's more that support, IN GENERAL, allows its players to adopt a more passive and reactive playstyle to the point where they don't really have to understand the other roles or the flow of the game. They just have to follow their team, try to take duels or live when they get pressured, and damage who's in their LOS. Like it's essentially stay in a safe position that's in your hero's effective range and don't make huge mistakes, and you'll probably climb. There are obviously players like ML7 or OWL pros that understand how to be playmakers on support. And you have heroes like Lucio and Kiriko that demand more game sense and aggression. But the point is you don't HAVE to play harder heroes like Lucio and Kiri, and you don't HAVE TO play like ML7 to be relatively successful in ranked. You probably won't reach Top 500 if you can't make plays, but you could easily reach Masters. Meanwhile, tanks past a certain rank HAVE to understand how to move, initiate, and leverage cool downs to get anything done. Dps past a certain rank HAVE to understand how get picks in and against certain comps to get anything done.
HARD agree on all of this, Im so passive on dps bc im not used to being the one who needs to actually execute plays as opposed to just poking from the back
Totally agree. I used to be a tank main, and when I started to play more sup and DPS I was basically playing as a tank and getting completely rolled every time xD. But playing the three roles really helps to understand what the others go through. It has helped me to be a better teammate I think, not a better player, but I understand the struggle others can feel so I try to adapt and help. For example, if I see my Rein suffering because of a bastion, I go tracer or sombra to keep him in check so the rein can do his thing.
I think it's because the majority of the supports have a "get out of jail free card" that you don't get with most tanks or DPS. As bastion you can shoot, shoot grenade, and shoot faster. Meanwhile kiri gets cleanse, TP, wallclimb, healing passive and very high value headshots. Having all these tools in your kit that are specifically for your survival that other characters don't get makes it harder to switch roles
I am not great at overwatch, but I do notice that I can get used to observing my team from a specific position within the team, making it so that if my team is playing a little different than I am used to or if I play a position I haven't played in a while I can end up completely losing track of what is going on. Sometimes it still works out somehow, but most of the time I end up having a really bad game.
@@chiefinasmith it's what people tell themselves in order to deal with being outplayed and it's not supported by logic or reality. facts need to be logical and grounded in reality.
This guy is masters on support. And doesn't shoot tanks. As bastion. How is that not boosted to you? You can even tell with his extremely passive playstyle, that he hasn't learned anything about space control, forcing plays, or even positional awareness. And he is masters. If he played genji/tracer with this kind of game sense he'd be even lower.
Majority of my dps que’s I get weak support picks and it negatively impacts us. When I Que support it’s easier to climb cause it’s easy to just know what’s in meta or meshes well with the comp and we end up being the avengers. Low elo overwatch just treats ranked as quick play but with extra sass when the game goes south lol
@@Retr0DuckThat is 110% just your average dps, rank doesnt matter because they all play like sped's. Did you not see that Metro clip from a few weeks ago where he's defending 3rd point Gibraltar yet is flanking 2nd point, nearly 1st point, loses a 2v1 against a dps and support and somehow finds a way to blame it on supports and say they're op 💀💀💀 this is why tanks and supports laugh at dps players and wish they'd just go back to CoD
@WindReiter10 supports are op and you are one of those that didn't actually comprehend what metro was saying or understood what happened in the clip. Im no longer going to argue with you. Imma need you to go back. Actually watch and understand the clip and then come back.
They're playing extremely passively, oftentimes behind the *gold* supports, and it took forever for them to realise they can flank or go highground. I mention hiding behind team's supports bc they're flexing being Masters on support but use their own supports as a meatshield? They're incredibly lacking in gamesense and mechanics. @@WindReiter10
I get that each role has its own unique skill sets BUT I believe you can have a basic core set of skills for Overwatch that translate to each role. Like awareness. Map knowledge. Ult tracking etc. I just find it wild that someone who is good enough to be in masters in one role can’t make it out of gold in the other roles. I would expect a masters level player in one role to be at least decent and not another role. You should be able to get into high plat/diamond if you can hit masters or higher. Or this just proves that rank is dumb and doesn’t actually mean anything in relation to your actual skill level
I have a similar rank gap between dps and the other two roles. In my case my aim is not good and I insist on maining widow because I like playing her. I also let my guard down in low rank because I know on the other roles I could roll through the rank easily. I basically wasn’t trying hard without meaning to. I also mostly play dps for fun and rarely competitively. I had to work hard to get my rank on tank and support so I don’t appreciate the idea that I don’t deserve the rank because I haven’t put time into trying to get good with dps.
what i was thinking. like they have to be a mercy pocket player or something to be hitting masters and then playing like this in gold. it's like they have no understanding on positioning or teamplay. It really baffles me
@@Velakor9150i was a zen onetrick and play too passively on dps bc im too used to poking. when I realized I had to make more plays I still felt the need to be overly cautious because zen in masters would fall over trying to do something like that
When you play dps and support they are two separate things, the person in the video still plays like a support mindset but he is still making a few plays which is awesome
Bastion needs to not be out of LOS of supports, needs better positioning and focus on tank... Its pretty obvious what they did wrong (unless youre new). Emonng doesnt have to explain it. Hes covered mechanics/tips like this for years since OW released
@@joester4251 The point of the video is to explain things from a top500 player perspective, just saying "thats on you" is something everyone already knows. And you saying "oh it's obvious he doesnt have to explain" just excuses shitty coaching habits out of what I guess to be fanboyism.
I think the biggest problem is that he's playing bastion when his playstyle doesn't suit bastion at all. Something like tracer would be better. Someone with more mobility.
He doesn't try to set himself up for optimal angles of damage at all. If he played tracer this would be exaggerated. He would just blink in from mid, 1 clip someone(maybe), get recall forced (the person would get rezzed or healed instantly) and be out of the rest of the fight cause he's waiting for blinks to come back or he's dead.
So sad for this master support to be unable to climb higher as dps. He has what you need to be plat or higher but maybe Bastion is not the best pick for his way of playing. As a bastion gold player, if he didn't not stay behind his team focusing the closest target, he may be able to get solo pick but not have the map control by staying with his team. I thinks playing Soldier 76 would be a better pick for him to climb if he want solo plays. I think that his way of blaming his allies depends on this way to play in Master as support, people don't play the same way and he will not be able to advise his 4 other mates to play like masters and win in gold.
As someone who climbed from silver to high plat/diamond this season (actually trying and putting time in helps a lot) emongg is totally right. Bastion has a role to fill, that’s to pump damage out. He absolutely can get kills. But pressure makes kills easier. The hardest thing for me was trying to do too much as well. However, prioritizing my job made it easier to do more with it working. And easier.
Emongg is really sugarcoating it, the bastion died like twice being out in the open doing nothing, and dropped his ult the moment he got it when he could've used it at a better time.
He plays like some people who say “go for the supports. Shoot the supports and we win” Yeah, not the strat. DPS role is very impactful. Knowing *when* to shoot at which target/role is hugely important. Pressure on tank, pressure on enemy dps when needed.
I think part of it is that on zen you just pop a discord on their tank and let your dps do the rest. Meanwhile on dps I didn't consider that I'M the one who has to damage tank this time instead of setting up for it
Watching this i would be so confused as to why this bastion is being kingof peeks They CLEARLY know what theyre doing Like his choice of targeting is something that a Zen or high damage support would do Rather than fucking up the tank Its just that he needs to get out of that mindset when playing dps
I'm not really sure what Emongg means by it. Somtimes I feel like it's the player overextended because they went for a play they didn't need to make. Other times I feel like it's more about cooldown management where they made 3 plays, but they can't get out because they used up all their cooldowns.
I think what Emongg means by that is that instead of seemingly swapping back and forth between two or three things you could be doing, just pick one and stick with that. Just make sure it doesn't become tunnel visioning. I think the right amount is do one thing either until that one thing is too dangerous or you succeed doing the thing.
9:05 you’re definitely just nitpicking 😭Queen was anti and getting chased by a Winston and tracer (and no she did not get that health pack) so as the bastion turns the corner they see a zen and get an elimination now if they’d have backed up immediately after shooting the grenade then JQ wouldn’t have been able to pull them so far out of position, but even still bap using immortality (8:51) on a 103hp bastion is why the immortality wasn’t ready when the bastion just got pulled, but you “understand why” (even tho the bastion already was falling back and that zen no longer had LOS) but then you turn around and blame bastion for not shooting the queen instead of zen even tho YOU can literally see characters through walls and still didn’t see JQ was only in LOS for like literally a second before she threw her knife and they literally only had 2 seconds in turret form anyway🤦🏾I’m not saying you don’t know what you’re talking about but you definitely were just trying to find a reason to complain about the bastion there.
He's pushing cart for a reason. He's not doing much. He is main all the time. No angles of any kind and when he does he gets picks. He's not doing damage. That zen is doing more than he was.
Taking high ground is good but You need healing to keep that high ground. Most range dps do not have self sustaining . Relying on the support is kind of risky in low rank. So i forced to play near my support. Mei is great for low rank 😁. Can't wait for season 9 .
Yeah, mei is great in low rank. Especially if you use her as like a brig, being a bodyguard. I often do that when we're getting dived, I go mei to protect the sups, and it really gives me a lot of value
Doesn't even feel like an mmr reset. everyone of my friends just got put exactly where they were even though we queued together and are a number of ranks apart. and my bronze friends are stuck gaining 6% a win, ranked is still ass
the intro to the vod alone explains why you are still gold on dps. every time a dps starts off blaming others, its always the opposite. change your attitude, you change your game play because you TRULY focus on yourself then
Honestly I don't know how someone could be Masters on one role and that much lower on another. Makes me believe the support role really is a bit boosted lol. I'm a masters support main, and even I don't play DPS hardly but am diamond on the role and could probably push it to masters if I grinded it
a lot of support mains get carried by the insane number of self healing abilities they get (including the passive) so it makes sense they can't play roles without that very well
I hit master support while still being gold dps because I can't carry on dps. I can play dps in a diamond setting just as well as my team, but I can't carry in gold because my mechanical skill and aim is so bad. I made an alt and placed diamond 2 on dps with it, I just can't carry out of gold that easily.
I'm masters support, my DPS was diamond for a good while but I went on a huge loss streak in one session and dropped to gold 😭 haven't touched DPS since
@@Darkstare-vs4en This seems very strange to me. How can you not carry in gold, where people have average aim and gamesense, but perform well against high diamonds who have good aim and a better gamesense
@@engineergaming3830 ? Unless you're playing Mercy with a dps friend who plays something like Pharah or Soj, it still takes skill to climb regardless of the rank or role. There is no magic trick to instantly get carried through a game on support. Baptiste with his 3 health bars fights off a Genji? Great, now those 15 and 25 second abilities are on cooldown and the tank and 2 dps have had 1 support for the entire duration of that 1v1 and are now yelling at you for not healing them.
Pretty sure it's his ego that he is masters which prevents him from progressing on other roles. He does lots of flashy and unnecessary sticky jumps which could have been used to deal damage instead. "Look, I am a flanking Bastion, which jumped with a sticky as one versus four".
If there is one thing I’ve come to realize after 30 years of gaming 20 online is honestly unless your #1 nobody cares about your rank lol and when you stop playing ow one day you’ll even realize what a waste of time all the effort was to be good 👍 just have fun with your friends kids win if you can beyond that fudge it
They just didn't play with the team which I think is strange since they're a support main. It's like a huge part of the support role so it's unclear why they wouldn't do that at all on DPS. If they were a Mercy main I could see them not knowing where to focus damage wise, but as a Zen main I would think they knew to just preassure Junkerqueeen. She's kind of fragile if you don't let her selfheal.
This guy is a masters healer, not a masters support. No "support not healer" player would play like this on a dps. My guy, you have to take off angles and pressure the enemy backline. As bastion, you have the freedom to also shred the tank if they overextend.
I play zen and do focus on damaging with him while doing passive healing. The big difference between support offense and dps is having to actually take space on dps as opposed to just damaging the other team from backline and avoiding death
Considering how flank bastion worked for him but team bastion didn't I would call this a support diff. I would have swapped to soldier after one minute.
Probably trying to do too much because a masters support has to do more than just 'click the tank' lol it's interesting for me though, the different target priorities of a dps, I can see now why supports can keep targets alive because if you're not a one-shot dps hero just peppering a few targets doesnt do anything, you really gotta commit and pay attention to whatever everyone else is shooting.
Nahhh i refuse to believe that people below plat exist, yesterday i created a new account to play with a friend and lost 9/10 ranked games on purpose (the placements) and got placed into Plat 4, not even 5
because most support heroes take barely any mechanical skill. his lack of aim for a masters player is concerning and why nobody takes this game seriously
I don’t think he’s gold per se… But neither was this lobby, I mean look at the positioning they’re taking. My guess is OW put you in gold rank with a more plat MMR.
and now, maybe i am more gifter in aim part but still, that is why most of my games seems imposible to win. i go against ,, smurfing'' accounts all the time. So my road from platinum to bronze is still posible
The rank reset was so bad. Last season I was around gold 2 in all roles. This season I won 9/10 placements in every role and placed silver in all of them. How does that make sense, what else could I have done
I am in the same situation as this guy I am a masters 5 lucio otp,but when I play dps(genji otp)or tank(doomfist) I am getting stomped around gold 1-plat5 but I think my problem is probably ego cause I am expecting my teammates to play at my speed
@@7ilver nah. Every support has a fire ability that does absurd damage or is brain dead easy to use. They all pretty much have a get out of jail free card. And they all have self heal abilities so if they are losing a duel they can heal themselves. The dps buffs have made them really good but support is still absurdly easy to play and requires little to no skill to play
Can I pay people to review my games, because sometimes I feel like I'm hard carrying my team and other times I feel like I'm getting destroyed no matter what I do.
This season sucks I was high masters in last season on healer and diamond in dps and not only does the game place me at the same rank for the two of them but despite me clearly being leagues better as a healer than a dps it is WAY easier to climb as a dps and it kinda feels undeserved whil climbing as healer got a lot LOT harder and it was already harder than climbing on dps, unless you're zenyatta (a dps disguised as a support) you're having a harder time with everything
New patch will change that. We’re going to see a lot of “masters” supports complaining about dropping into gold or lower because for the last 8 seasons supports were able to ignore half the fundamentals of the game
This is the most support-brained gameplay I've ever seen. Support rewards players who do nothing and only react to what goes on around them. This guy spent 2 full minutes standing still in the backline using bastion primary fire at walls. This is how lifeweaver for example plays every single game and it has taught support players that they don't have to do anything to win games. When you hear people claim that support players are boosted this is what they are talking about.
This just shows how lost a player can look yet managed to climb to Masters on support... The support role is just too OP that even gold/silver standard players can queue it to masters on ladder.
How is this proof support is op? This is just more proof that you can healbot your way into GM, which you can totally legit do. People who cry about supports being op don't care that they are the only reason big tank/dps plays can even exist
@@RichardOwen-js6zp Sounds like a genuine skill issue, if you got gud you could dominate lobbies as Widow or Sojourn, or hell you even had the first half of S8 to climb to GM ez with Mauga but nah you'd rather complain about only 2 overtuned supports while ignoring all the other OP heroes then trying to make the goofy ahh claim it's the entire support role when it's really only a couple just like every other role has.
@@WindReiter10 all streamers and GM/Top500 have stated support is broken and too easy to climb... also im GM1 across all roles and have this same opinion.. if your above metal rank you will understand xx
@@RichardOwen-js6zp No not even close lmao, also its not even all of the support role its literally just Kiri and Bap every other support is fine. That's like going back to S2 and saying "the tank role is broken" even though it was literally just Orisa and Hog. Or S3 and going "dps is broken" when it was literally just Widow and Sojourn (who are still broken and OP in GM/Top500). Like can y'all have an honest argument once in your life
So many pointless rocket jumps. And then they suddenly using them well for high ground. Ana was frontlining a small bit but yeah, making plays with the team is the answer.
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well, it goes to prove that he really is a masters support, his positioning is very good for support, but not too much for dps.
They say support mains never really learn how to play the game properly
@@JohnIvoryMusicthat's a really dumb take lol each class will play differently
@@JohnIvoryMusicyou sound like you don’t know how to play the game properly
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@@reallytiredkoi When I'm in QP I see it almost constantly. Almost exclusively support players flex queuing getting dps or tank and playing weird positions on top of not having tanking or dps basics down.
He's playing like a Hanzo who is also a junkrat, simultaneously
Hanzo and Junkrat are literally the same character
nahnahnah, hanzo just CAN be played like rat so everyone does, watch rlly good hanzos its so cool@@sinistar3198
@@sinistar3198Kick bro out of the kitchen.
@@sinistar3198 They are not the same, bit close but nowhere near same
Passive Bastion in gold, that's new.
Hell I’d take it over my usual 15 deaths a game due to getting focused and me playing like a trash can 😂
A good bastion that doesn’t sit on his tank insta dies fs
There's 2 types of player in gold:
*LEEEEEEEEEEROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOYYY.... JJJJE....* - you know this one
and then there is *hides in the back* . That's it.
This was my vod! Thanks a ton for taking a look at it, and yea I def shouldve waited a day before sending this one bc I literally woke up the next morning and realized I didnt carry at all 😭 I think a lot of my mistakes were a result of not having to pay as much attention to supports in masters bc I WAS the support, and I def put too much effort into picking squishies instead of shredding tank
HI I HATE YOU SM IM SO JEAKOUS
You're also just super passive for the dps role. That can work well for support. But as a dps player there are some matches where you have to make your own space. Which works well for you since you seem to already have the aim required to play more aggro. You'll be fine.
@@ducasse8473 yea I got tired of onetricking on support so felt like I needed a change of pace, some ppl are saying i should play other DPS but i like sticking to 1 hero at a time so I can actually get good at them
Also one tip for dps thats different from support:
Either go for map control, or ensure enemy can't go for map control.
Aka control high grounds when they give an advantage, or make sure enemy tank can't push up for free when they're trying to advance.
If you master this duality of space control, you'll learn what core dps value is about. Quite different from support because you have to be more proactive and forward thinking at all times, and also move a bit more freely and not sit back behind your team constantly. Safety is good, but off angle safety is better than backline safety when you wanna deny space
What I got from the gameplay is, you don't trust your teammates which forces you to make everything. It felt almost arrogant "I'm better player than these golds" kinda thinking.
I have some advice too if you’ll hear me out.
Sometimes u need to flank squishies, sometimes you need to tank bust. It depends on your and enemy lineup. At first tank busting didn’t work because Sigma can eat your assault configuration, that’s when you flank. You waited 4 minutes to flank but when you did, you instantly killed 3. When their tank swapped to Queen, you needed to tank bust, only this time you didn’t have 4 minutes to realize it, and you kept flanking squishies, which can work, but it’s not the best play there on Bastion.
omg u have no idea how helpful this is
Best comment.
I dont think this guy's knows you have to play different roles differently it's like he's scared to do anything the majority of the time
Well said. I think his positioning and everything is fine as a Masters Support. He was just relying on his team to be aggressive and take map space, but the thing in Gold is that people don't really do that either. So he needed to be the one to take more of a "commanding" role instead of being passive and scared like a support.
If you ask me, as a DPS flanking, you have to expect you will die and Support will not be able to save you unless they pocket you. 2nd enemy team was actually playing way better than you think. A flanking bastion is easier to kill than a bastion sitting with the tank.
For real, my favourite play style is dive, so I know the probability of me dying is higher, so it's all about trying to get as much value as I can. Of course I do everything to not die, but I know I will most likely be out of LOS for a bit. If I die, that's on me
in Gold i never saw a Team play High Ground on This Map... Strange
Gold is learning
@@luckywatcher42 Gold is Average...
But this Match Is Gold... But after Hundreds of Hours i DID not see Anyone there
I just saw a Reddit post about someone in gold and their team not using high ground, huh
@@jontaii152 yeah this is completely normal...
I think scrims like matches are more like a Plat game but idk
He’s playing with expectations and like a support. He’s expecting healing and his tanks to play a certain way while he’s passive like a support
He plays a lot like a support DPS. I reckon he probably mains Kiriko by the angles he takes and the solo plays he trys to make. He doesnt understand that when he gets those picks as support it's game changing, but when he doesn't understand you need to deal consistent pressure as DPS to allow your team to go for those picks.
I'm too used to dealing damage from backline because I play zen, so as long as I discord/damage and avoid dying, things go fine. The part I'm not used to on DPS yet is the need to be proactive, but learning that new playstyle is exactly why I've been playing more DPS lately, even if it isn't my strong suit yet
@hwalnut7202 Something you might want to focus on is as DPS you don't need to worry about so many things like you do as support. As a support player you feel like you need to do so much, but as DPS, if you're shooting the Pharah whenever she peeks out or scoped down a choke point, it seems like you're not doing damage, but you're putting pressure on the enemy, not allowing them to peek out or hold favorable angles
@hwalnut7202 Also hitting your shots really matter as DPS. When you're support, you can kinda spam damage and hope it hits (I can understand why you favor Bastion) but as DPS you need to have that kill potential, If anyone is below 70% health you should be able to kill them everytime, this also puts pressure on the enemy to play safer and more reserved, vs knowing they can just heal through spam damage
@@hwalnut7202 I wish you luck!
i'm a GM support and platinum dps. this was super helpful for me as well!
I'll offer a more detailed take than some of the other "support boosted" comments. For the record, I do agree that support is an overpowered role, but not so much that any player could be Masters while being legitimately Gold in other roles.
I think it's more that support, IN GENERAL, allows its players to adopt a more passive and reactive playstyle to the point where they don't really have to understand the other roles or the flow of the game. They just have to follow their team, try to take duels or live when they get pressured, and damage who's in their LOS. Like it's essentially stay in a safe position that's in your hero's effective range and don't make huge mistakes, and you'll probably climb.
There are obviously players like ML7 or OWL pros that understand how to be playmakers on support. And you have heroes like Lucio and Kiriko that demand more game sense and aggression. But the point is you don't HAVE to play harder heroes like Lucio and Kiri, and you don't HAVE TO play like ML7 to be relatively successful in ranked. You probably won't reach Top 500 if you can't make plays, but you could easily reach Masters.
Meanwhile, tanks past a certain rank HAVE to understand how to move, initiate, and leverage cool downs to get anything done. Dps past a certain rank HAVE to understand how get picks in and against certain comps to get anything done.
HARD agree on all of this, Im so passive on dps bc im not used to being the one who needs to actually execute plays as opposed to just poking from the back
Spilo has a video that explains it and why support players tend to be worse on other roles.
As a gm2 support and a gold dps. I agree with this 100%
Totally agree. I used to be a tank main, and when I started to play more sup and DPS I was basically playing as a tank and getting completely rolled every time xD. But playing the three roles really helps to understand what the others go through. It has helped me to be a better teammate I think, not a better player, but I understand the struggle others can feel so I try to adapt and help. For example, if I see my Rein suffering because of a bastion, I go tracer or sombra to keep him in check so the rein can do his thing.
I think it's because the majority of the supports have a "get out of jail free card" that you don't get with most tanks or DPS. As bastion you can shoot, shoot grenade, and shoot faster. Meanwhile kiri gets cleanse, TP, wallclimb, healing passive and very high value headshots. Having all these tools in your kit that are specifically for your survival that other characters don't get makes it harder to switch roles
I am not great at overwatch, but I do notice that I can get used to observing my team from a specific position within the team, making it so that if my team is playing a little different than I am used to or if I play a position I haven't played in a while I can end up completely losing track of what is going on. Sometimes it still works out somehow, but most of the time I end up having a really bad game.
I don’t feel so bad being a bronze dps as a gold support anymore lol
he's playing like he has the healing passive, he never gets health packs and is constantly waiting to be healed.
Aged well
@@drsex5483yea I was pissed when I found out dps was getting a heal passive bc I wanted to learn not to crutch on it 😭
so much "support players are boosted" copium in these comments lol
great video as always, the alright SO was incredibly crisp 👌
Supports are boosted. It’s an inflated role.
@@chiefinasmith if that's what you have to believe, that's no skin off my back
@@sethescope it’s a fact
@@chiefinasmith it's what people tell themselves in order to deal with being outplayed and it's not supported by logic or reality. facts need to be logical and grounded in reality.
This guy is masters on support. And doesn't shoot tanks. As bastion. How is that not boosted to you? You can even tell with his extremely passive playstyle, that he hasn't learned anything about space control, forcing plays, or even positional awareness. And he is masters. If he played genji/tracer with this kind of game sense he'd be even lower.
Majority of my dps que’s I get weak support picks and it negatively impacts us. When I Que support it’s easier to climb cause it’s easy to just know what’s in meta or meshes well with the comp and we end up being the avengers. Low elo overwatch just treats ranked as quick play but with extra sass when the game goes south lol
Stop focusing on what your teams doing and just focus on yourself
@@MyName_Jeffthis works when it comes to criticizing your gameplay but not when you're actually playing, overwatch is still a team game
he's got a lot of bad habits supports get and he's not really playing like a bastion should
Nah that's just your classic bad dps habits
@@WindReiter10 nah, you can actively see the support decision making come out
@@Retr0DuckThat is 110% just your average dps, rank doesnt matter because they all play like sped's. Did you not see that Metro clip from a few weeks ago where he's defending 3rd point Gibraltar yet is flanking 2nd point, nearly 1st point, loses a 2v1 against a dps and support and somehow finds a way to blame it on supports and say they're op 💀💀💀 this is why tanks and supports laugh at dps players and wish they'd just go back to CoD
@WindReiter10 supports are op and you are one of those that didn't actually comprehend what metro was saying or understood what happened in the clip. Im no longer going to argue with you. Imma need you to go back. Actually watch and understand the clip and then come back.
They're playing extremely passively, oftentimes behind the *gold* supports, and it took forever for them to realise they can flank or go highground. I mention hiding behind team's supports bc they're flexing being Masters on support but use their own supports as a meatshield? They're incredibly lacking in gamesense and mechanics. @@WindReiter10
I get that each role has its own unique skill sets BUT I believe you can have a basic core set of skills for Overwatch that translate to each role. Like awareness. Map knowledge. Ult tracking etc. I just find it wild that someone who is good enough to be in masters in one role can’t make it out of gold in the other roles. I would expect a masters level player in one role to be at least decent and not another role. You should be able to get into high plat/diamond if you can hit masters or higher.
Or this just proves that rank is dumb and doesn’t actually mean anything in relation to your actual skill level
I have a similar rank gap between dps and the other two roles. In my case my aim is not good and I insist on maining widow because I like playing her. I also let my guard down in low rank because I know on the other roles I could roll through the rank easily. I basically wasn’t trying hard without meaning to. I also mostly play dps for fun and rarely competitively.
I had to work hard to get my rank on tank and support so I don’t appreciate the idea that I don’t deserve the rank because I haven’t put time into trying to get good with dps.
what i was thinking. like they have to be a mercy pocket player or something to be hitting masters and then playing like this in gold. it's like they have no understanding on positioning or teamplay. It really baffles me
Rank simply is your skill relative to the general population based primarily on wins and losses.
@@Velakor9150i was a zen onetrick and play too passively on dps bc im too used to poking. when I realized I had to make more plays I still felt the need to be overly cautious because zen in masters would fall over trying to do something like that
@1:44 bro as bastion u never want to even peek that doorway. Its instant death especially if u are big as bastion.
When you play dps and support they are two separate things, the person in the video still plays like a support mindset but he is still making a few plays which is awesome
Could you explain what they do wrong instead of saying "that's on you" ?
Bastion needs to not be out of LOS of supports, needs better positioning and focus on tank...
Its pretty obvious what they did wrong (unless youre new). Emonng doesnt have to explain it. Hes covered mechanics/tips like this for years since OW released
@@joester4251don't forget sitting right in front of the enemy team, 1v multiple, etc
@@Antonio-ys5zd yup that too, seen that happen many many times lol
they didn't get pack.. and ran into their team without any kind of cover to get to their team and fed. "that's on you" explains it pretty well
@@joester4251 The point of the video is to explain things from a top500 player perspective, just saying "thats on you" is something everyone already knows. And you saying "oh it's obvious he doesnt have to explain" just excuses shitty coaching habits out of what I guess to be fanboyism.
Looks like the sombra came pretty close to saving the match during that last fight.
Aint no way zombiefood guy isn’t in an opera, this dude is cracked holy shit😦💕
I think the biggest problem is that he's playing bastion when his playstyle doesn't suit bastion at all. Something like tracer would be better. Someone with more mobility.
He doesn't try to set himself up for optimal angles of damage at all. If he played tracer this would be exaggerated. He would just blink in from mid, 1 clip someone(maybe), get recall forced (the person would get rezzed or healed instantly) and be out of the rest of the fight cause he's waiting for blinks to come back or he's dead.
So sad for this master support to be unable to climb higher as dps. He has what you need to be plat or higher but maybe Bastion is not the best pick for his way of playing. As a bastion gold player, if he didn't not stay behind his team focusing the closest target, he may be able to get solo pick but not have the map control by staying with his team. I thinks playing Soldier 76 would be a better pick for him to climb if he want solo plays. I think that his way of blaming his allies depends on this way to play in Master as support, people don't play the same way and he will not be able to advise his 4 other mates to play like masters and win in gold.
i didnt know a peoples rank are so different all my roles are close to the same rank support is diamond and my rest are plat 1
That was 100% Will Ferrell singing
As someone who climbed from silver to high plat/diamond this season (actually trying and putting time in helps a lot) emongg is totally right. Bastion has a role to fill, that’s to pump damage out. He absolutely can get kills. But pressure makes kills easier. The hardest thing for me was trying to do too much as well. However, prioritizing my job made it easier to do more with it working. And easier.
Emongg is really sugarcoating it, the bastion died like twice being out in the open doing nothing, and dropped his ult the moment he got it when he could've used it at a better time.
He plays like some people who say “go for the supports. Shoot the supports and we win”
Yeah, not the strat. DPS role is very impactful. Knowing *when* to shoot at which target/role is hugely important. Pressure on tank, pressure on enemy dps when needed.
I think part of it is that on zen you just pop a discord on their tank and let your dps do the rest. Meanwhile on dps I didn't consider that I'M the one who has to damage tank this time instead of setting up for it
Watching this i would be so confused as to why this bastion is being kingof peeks
They CLEARLY know what theyre doing
Like his choice of targeting is something that a Zen or high damage support would do
Rather than fucking up the tank
Its just that he needs to get out of that mindset when playing dps
You always say “you’re doing too much” but you don’t say what the right amount is
I'm not really sure what Emongg means by it. Somtimes I feel like it's the player overextended because they went for a play they didn't need to make. Other times I feel like it's more about cooldown management where they made 3 plays, but they can't get out because they used up all their cooldowns.
I think what Emongg means by that is that instead of seemingly swapping back and forth between two or three things you could be doing, just pick one and stick with that. Just make sure it doesn't become tunnel visioning. I think the right amount is do one thing either until that one thing is too dangerous or you succeed doing the thing.
lol I'm a support main and I tried DPS and at one point my DPS rank was higher than support
9:05 you’re definitely just nitpicking 😭Queen was anti and getting chased by a Winston and tracer (and no she did not get that health pack) so as the bastion turns the corner they see a zen and get an elimination now if they’d have backed up immediately after shooting the grenade then JQ wouldn’t have been able to pull them so far out of position, but even still bap using immortality (8:51) on a 103hp bastion is why the immortality wasn’t ready when the bastion just got pulled, but you “understand why” (even tho the bastion already was falling back and that zen no longer had LOS) but then you turn around and blame bastion for not shooting the queen instead of zen even tho YOU can literally see characters through walls and still didn’t see JQ was only in LOS for like literally a second before she threw her knife and they literally only had 2 seconds in turret form anyway🤦🏾I’m not saying you don’t know what you’re talking about but you definitely were just trying to find a reason to complain about the bastion there.
He's pushing cart for a reason. He's not doing much. He is main all the time. No angles of any kind and when he does he gets picks. He's not doing damage. That zen is doing more than he was.
well i'm a master 1 support and master 5 dps and d2 tank full soloQ, how explain that
Taking high ground is good but You need healing to keep that high ground. Most range dps do not have self sustaining . Relying on the support is kind of risky in low rank. So i forced to play near my support. Mei is great for low rank 😁. Can't wait for season 9 .
Yeah, mei is great in low rank. Especially if you use her as like a brig, being a bodyguard. I often do that when we're getting dived, I go mei to protect the sups, and it really gives me a lot of value
@@Aon_Duine good for defense
@@Aon_Duine I swear to god. They keep deleting my comments.
@@Aon_DuineI go for DPS and support head.
@@Aon_Duine if you're in the back.
Master Support but gold DPS. That describes me except I’m High Plat/Low diamond on dps
Doesn't even feel like an mmr reset. everyone of my friends just got put exactly where they were even though we queued together and are a number of ranks apart. and my bronze friends are stuck gaining 6% a win, ranked is still ass
the intro to the vod alone explains why you are still gold on dps. every time a dps starts off blaming others, its always the opposite. change your attitude, you change your game play because you TRULY focus on yourself then
he has potential to be master on DPS but holds on too tightly to support tendencies
Honestly I don't know how someone could be Masters on one role and that much lower on another. Makes me believe the support role really is a bit boosted lol. I'm a masters support main, and even I don't play DPS hardly but am diamond on the role and could probably push it to masters if I grinded it
a lot of support mains get carried by the insane number of self healing abilities they get (including the passive) so it makes sense they can't play roles without that very well
I hit master support while still being gold dps because I can't carry on dps. I can play dps in a diamond setting just as well as my team, but I can't carry in gold because my mechanical skill and aim is so bad. I made an alt and placed diamond 2 on dps with it, I just can't carry out of gold that easily.
I'm masters support, my DPS was diamond for a good while but I went on a huge loss streak in one session and dropped to gold 😭 haven't touched DPS since
@@Darkstare-vs4en This seems very strange to me. How can you not carry in gold, where people have average aim and gamesense, but perform well against high diamonds who have good aim and a better gamesense
@@engineergaming3830 ? Unless you're playing Mercy with a dps friend who plays something like Pharah or Soj, it still takes skill to climb regardless of the rank or role. There is no magic trick to instantly get carried through a game on support. Baptiste with his 3 health bars fights off a Genji? Great, now those 15 and 25 second abilities are on cooldown and the tank and 2 dps have had 1 support for the entire duration of that 1v1 and are now yelling at you for not healing them.
Pretty sure it's his ego that he is masters which prevents him from progressing on other roles. He does lots of flashy and unnecessary sticky jumps which could have been used to deal damage instead. "Look, I am a flanking Bastion, which jumped with a sticky as one versus four".
This feels like someone watched a bastionmain video and thought “yeah, I can do that”
How do I send in my videos for review?
Attitude problem. He doesn't do anything all game. "I'm masters, bluh, this game stinks. Wah"
i have a harder time playing support than i do dps
This you? 💀 Calling me a clown when you cant even play what's apparently the "easiest role in the game"
@@WindReiter10 Cant play it? Im masters on support? Why do you actively make assumptions that make you look like a clown?
@@Retr0Duck only masters on a role that's supposedly braindead easy to climb to GM with 🥱 🥱🥱 how embarrassing for you
If there is one thing I’ve come to realize after 30 years of gaming 20 online is honestly unless your #1 nobody cares about your rank lol and when you stop playing ow one day you’ll even realize what a waste of time all the effort was to be good 👍 just have fun with your friends kids win if you can beyond that fudge it
why does he reload every like 5 shots
They just didn't play with the team which I think is strange since they're a support main. It's like a huge part of the support role so it's unclear why they wouldn't do that at all on DPS. If they were a Mercy main I could see them not knowing where to focus damage wise, but as a Zen main I would think they knew to just preassure Junkerqueeen. She's kind of fragile if you don't let her selfheal.
This guy is a masters healer, not a masters support. No "support not healer" player would play like this on a dps.
My guy, you have to take off angles and pressure the enemy backline. As bastion, you have the freedom to also shred the tank if they overextend.
I play zen and do focus on damaging with him while doing passive healing. The big difference between support offense and dps is having to actually take space on dps as opposed to just damaging the other team from backline and avoiding death
holey bastion changed a lot !
Wow im early. Only because my cat woke me up.
I am in England and it is 4:50pm when this came out for me
@DinoDemon-ee5dz it was 9 am. when my cat woke me up, but when I commented, it was 10 am
your cat is weird.
my cat sleeps besides me and encourages me to keep sleeping.
@@sakitoshi she is that. But she woke me up trying to get into something. She usually does sleep with me all night.
Considering how flank bastion worked for him but team bastion didn't I would call this a support diff. I would have swapped to soldier after one minute.
??? nothing to do with bastion he js played like shit lmao
Probably trying to do too much because a masters support has to do more than just 'click the tank' lol it's interesting for me though, the different target priorities of a dps, I can see now why supports can keep targets alive because if you're not a one-shot dps hero just peppering a few targets doesnt do anything, you really gotta commit and pay attention to whatever everyone else is shooting.
A Gold Masters player isn't even that bad, had a Mercy otp that was Bronze dps on my team lol
Other way around for me. Can’t get out of gold on support
This man is definitely a Moira main
I haven't even watched this yet but it's because you can't get heals and can't heal yourself as dps 😅
Nahhh i refuse to believe that people below plat exist, yesterday i created a new account to play with a friend and lost 9/10 ranked games on purpose (the placements) and got placed into Plat 4, not even 5
I'm glad to know that I'm not the only one who is master on sup and gold on DPS 😂
How can I make him coach spectate me?
So I actually don't really like OverWatch anymore and don't play it but I found your commentary enjoying good video
because most support heroes take barely any mechanical skill. his lack of aim for a masters player is concerning and why nobody takes this game seriously
I am a masters support and gold dps too lol
I don’t think he’s gold per se… But neither was this lobby, I mean look at the positioning they’re taking. My guess is OW put you in gold rank with a more plat MMR.
ur prob right, bc not long after this vod I won in a gold 3 lobby and it immediately dumped me into a plat 3 lobby and I got rolled 😭
and now, maybe i am more gifter in aim part but still, that is why most of my games seems imposible to win. i go against ,, smurfing'' accounts all the time. So my road from platinum to bronze is still posible
The rank reset was so bad. Last season I was around gold 2 in all roles. This season I won 9/10 placements in every role and placed silver in all of them. How does that make sense, what else could I have done
Why a masters support is a gold dps is band first placements
Im sensing a kiri main 😅
This is crazy lmao
I am in the same situation as this guy I am a masters 5 lucio otp,but when I play dps(genji otp)or tank(doomfist) I am getting stomped around gold 1-plat5 but I think my problem is probably ego cause I am expecting my teammates to play at my speed
He play like a widow
dps 10 sec once every 3 min
other 2.50 min wall with legs
Fun Fact: Support is the easiest role in the game. Being masters is support is like being masters in open que
yes but being a masters support in open que will get you gm. i think support is naturally 1-2 ranks higher than dps and tank
Support is the hardest DPS is the easiest
@@7ilver nah. Every support has a fire ability that does absurd damage or is brain dead easy to use. They all pretty much have a get out of jail free card. And they all have self heal abilities so if they are losing a duel they can heal themselves. The dps buffs have made them really good but support is still absurdly easy to play and requires little to no skill to play
@@DefoNotLava You sound salty 😂😂
@@7ilver tell that to me when i am masters on support but plat on dps and tank
Can I pay people to review my games, because sometimes I feel like I'm hard carrying my team and other times I feel like I'm getting destroyed no matter what I do.
edged to this
What a swell video
This season sucks I was high masters in last season on healer and diamond in dps and not only does the game place me at the same rank for the two of them but despite me clearly being leagues better as a healer than a dps it is WAY easier to climb as a dps and it kinda feels undeserved whil climbing as healer got a lot LOT harder and it was already harder than climbing on dps, unless you're zenyatta (a dps disguised as a support) you're having a harder time with everything
I started ow2 in bronze and climbed to diamond dps. that looks like silver dps to me, didn´t carry but hopefully he improves from here.
goes to show that a support is usually equivalent to a 2~3 rank lower other roles
New patch will change that. We’re going to see a lot of “masters” supports complaining about dropping into gold or lower because for the last 8 seasons supports were able to ignore half the fundamentals of the game
its gold. roll credits
I’ll tell you why cause 50-70% at any given time of online gamers are straight up cheating
Go back to focusing on yourself lol the ram over extended some but yeah 😂
This is the most support-brained gameplay I've ever seen. Support rewards players who do nothing and only react to what goes on around them. This guy spent 2 full minutes standing still in the backline using bastion primary fire at walls. This is how lifeweaver for example plays every single game and it has taught support players that they don't have to do anything to win games. When you hear people claim that support players are boosted this is what they are talking about.
Short Answer is because support is the easiest to climb on with immortality cooldowns and free/easy passive value
Proof supports are boosted lol.
I don't man. Maybe left click simulator is just fucking easy?????
I promise your not masters support lol it's just broken but you lack alot of game sense and team awareness! Also where to position and play!
The sistema broken
this looks like low silver gameplay
i know why cause I need dps in gold otherwise I cannot play with people I know
yeet
This just shows how lost a player can look yet managed to climb to Masters on support... The support role is just too OP that even gold/silver standard players can queue it to masters on ladder.
How is this proof support is op? This is just more proof that you can healbot your way into GM, which you can totally legit do.
People who cry about supports being op don't care that they are the only reason big tank/dps plays can even exist
@@atespeach5672 pretty known support is op and easy to climb and can out duel every DPS 👍
@@RichardOwen-js6zp Sounds like a genuine skill issue, if you got gud you could dominate lobbies as Widow or Sojourn, or hell you even had the first half of S8 to climb to GM ez with Mauga but nah you'd rather complain about only 2 overtuned supports while ignoring all the other OP heroes then trying to make the goofy ahh claim it's the entire support role when it's really only a couple just like every other role has.
@@WindReiter10 all streamers and GM/Top500 have stated support is broken and too easy to climb... also im GM1 across all roles and have this same opinion.. if your above metal rank you will understand xx
@@RichardOwen-js6zp No not even close lmao, also its not even all of the support role its literally just Kiri and Bap every other support is fine. That's like going back to S2 and saying "the tank role is broken" even though it was literally just Orisa and Hog. Or S3 and going "dps is broken" when it was literally just Widow and Sojourn (who are still broken and OP in GM/Top500). Like can y'all have an honest argument once in your life
support players are boosted
So many pointless rocket jumps. And then they suddenly using them well for high ground. Ana was frontlining a small bit but yeah, making plays with the team is the answer.
im ngl, half of the pointless grenade jumps are results of me trying to get to high ground and messing up the jump 💀
am a gold tank and dps but this dude is absolutely terrible.
Y isnt this bronze
proof support players are boosted lol