This Moira took matters into their own hands... | Overwatch 2 Spectating
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- Опубликовано: 28 апр 2024
- This Silver Moira felt like their DPS weren't doing enough damage and tried to get them to swap the entire game. After they refused, they decided to go DPS Moira to make up for the "low damage." Was that the right call or were they focused on the wrong thing?
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18:16 is NO ONE gonna talk about the spinning Winston?? I nearly spat out my drink 😂
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i love when they ragdoll like that it's hilarious 😂
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@@NaveenTheBean I BURST OUT LAUGHING EVERY TIME AHAHHAHA
Another game of No One Kills The Mercy
as a mercy main, yes. no one kills her a lot of the time... if your shmovement is good enough >:D
@@purplelinaa Good mercy's scare me. -a shitty widow main
as a mercy main, i chill with the enemy team more times than i can count c:
It's really annoying that they keep throwing the healing orb at the floor because they just bounce up into the air after 2 seconds. it's way more efficient to throw it in a straight line at a wall so that it will bounce back and stick around for longer.
Yes, I'm aware there is a very niche strat where you throw it at the floor at an angle, however that is only useful if you are walking In a long straight line on flat ground with no walls around.
Yeah, a few of those orbs could have had way more value over time if they would bounce them around the fight rather than up and out to the sky immediately.
I see a lot of low rank players do this and I don't get where they got the idea from. It's usefull in some hallways, but even in most hallways the wall will be better.
@@TheDuzx I don't think it's an idea lol I remember when I was new and I did it, it was just instinct to throw it down when I panicked back then
@@TheDuzx If you had no walls and your healing target was completely stationary, it would provide a split second more of a healing as it has to travel around the target slightly longer (Making a V over the target versus a straight line). Of course walls exist and your target is moving so really no reason lol.
Actually throwing it at a slight angle at the floor is good if there's no good wall bounce available.
“I just don’t get as much value on the heroes other than Moira” is it because the only way you perceive value is numerical?
Is that a sin? Is it a sin to want to be valuable😢 (coming from a Moira main😂)
@@nuyynuyy your value isnt just high numbers. you can have 10000dmg and 5 kills or 4000 dmg and 15 kills. think about that instead ''big number gud yes?''
youre mostly feeding enemy team ult charge if you play like the moira in the video. that is not value. its complete opposite.
@@kiirakunn I know dear, that's what the video was about, I only really play casual so you won't see me in ranked doing much of anything lol
@@nuyynuyyyou say “I know dear that’s what the video was about”, but you literally asked lmaoo
"Wasn't horribly bad" is certainly a description. I love it 😂
People need to understand that it really doesn't matter how "nicely" you tell someone they should swap, because what you are really saying is they are the problem.
Focus on what you can personally do and stop worrying about others.
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It can help though. If you have a ball that’s playing against brig, ana, sombra and bastion then it’d probably be more beneficial to ask them if they have any other heroes that they’re comfortable playing then repeatedly fighting a 4.2v5
Edit: It’s more worth it to at least try in case they say yes, since even if they say no you can still then focus on everything you can be doing (although you should be focusing on that anyway)
Sometimes, others ARE the problem though lol
Best you can do is ask if the DPS wants to nano-blade with you or something to encourage them to swap if you think it would benefit the team. In this case that wouldn't have pushed the needle and the best case was for the Moira to just focus on the important stuff. Like obj, keeping your team up, not feeding/use cover.
It Will depend on what they playing on what map vs whatever the Enemy is using because sometimes it's really hard or Next to Impossible to hold unless someone chances (talking more about tank in this case)
Moira complaining about Sombra’s damage and not understanding how Sombra works with the team in terms of damage dealing
As a sombra player this is the most annoying thing. You could be leading in kills and making a big impact but your teams sees 5k damage and they tell you that you aren’t doing anything.
I’ve never played Sombra for more than a few minutes but I can understand how frustrating that is.
I think it depends on your rank because better sombra players still do more than 5k damage same with tracer. Most players in lower ranks aren’t outputting any crazy damage unless it’s junk or bastion
This Sombra wasn’t actually doing anything though, I rewatched the video and focused on them. They were pretty much playing frontline all game shooting the Orisa and not getting behind them to get any picks or distract them
@@franktownsend3483 Ah yes, better than the top 500 Sombra players that Emongg plays with and says will comonly end the game with only 5k damage.
@@evanpeabody3031 quick google search shows gm sombras AVERAGE 8k dmg per 10 minutes but go off king!!!
One thing I’m most surprised about is how much value Bob has been this match
I feel like Moira likes to heal the air and fade when she takes 10 damage.
The sombra play at second point …chefs kiss 💋
If the team is playing Winston tracer sombra, and you’re playing Moira then you’re the one trolling. Play a dive support
Yeah this would have been a great chance to play brig
what category does moira fall into? I thought she was dive lol
@@pookieslayer Moira is good at close range aoe (area of effect) healing so something like brawl/rush is more her style. When you’re playing with a team that has high mobility like a dive comp you want longer range heals so something like Ana, zen. For the second support you’ll want a brig to keep the other support alive.
One could also play kiriko because there is never a situation where she’s the wrong choice and if you want to be a weirdo you could also play lifeweaver as he himself is undivable and can pull a teammate back if they fuck up an execution. His heals also have pretty good range in decent chunks
@@vanishhero964 also lucio because of high survivability and utility
@@vanishhero964 theres no way u would reccommend lifeweaver over moira in a dive comp when moira can quite literally bend to most playstyles and one of the best supports to pair with others
imagine the difference if the moira had worked with any of the three dive characters to focus targets lol
My favorite roll is support. I try not to waste time in game worrying about what my teammates aren't doing. I instead try to approach it as what can I do to make it possible for my teammates to pop off and make plays. If that means being super heavy on heals or super aggressive on damage or even a swap to counter an effective opponent doesn't matter. What never helps is blaming teammates in game or worrying about damage/healing numbers because I can't change their game play, I can only change mine. Now if only I could climb out of silver lol.
Same, bro, but we can try at least
I feel like the Moira is playing too far, especially in first point. They keep falling back when they could have just went around the corner still in LOS of their team but avoiding direct fire from the enemy. Instead they just kept running back.
I was thinking the same thing, they could’ve stayed at the hotel if they were worried about getting picked off early but they just stood in main barely healing their JQ lol
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Today's video we're watching a Silver 2 Moira on PC
@@ciach0_ boooooooo
This Moira played sooo far back and kept running away I feel 😭 it hurt to watch them playing Moira and don’t get me started on the questionable orb usage
Typical Moira mindset
things i can say about this moira as gold support who also plays moira occasionally:
1) moira is actually playable in low ranks because of her high survivability and high heals, but only against a specific comps on certain maps, like map with angled walls to get the most value from orbs or when ur team stays more with u or when enemy team plays more crowded again to make more value from orbs, also if they have dva or genji in enemy team
2) in this comp on this map i would choose ana because i can shoot pharmercy (no one can) and lw would heal jq, i can nade orisa (they dont have cleanse) and my jq to help my lw, i can sleep orisa and bob
3) another option is zen or kiriko because zen is melting tanks machine, tranquility saves from orisa's ult and bob, healing orb helps dps helping them doing their job; kiri can be a huge menace if she can land shots especially on widow (pharah swapped to widow) and save from cass ult, orisa ult; and both of them can do a lot of damage
4) in 2nd round all these supports can work too
so overall i see no reason to pick moira here, as a support i think u should swap to ur team needs not to team play around u
also no reason to pick winston here? especially since they have healbotting mercy and reaper and no one touching a mercy here
i would swap to orisa/dva/sigma/ram but im no tank main so idk
But this season Moira is in a great place right? Didn't she always appear in top 500?
I was the mercy this game. I honestly think my team got so much value because the enemy team stopped focusing our supports in the second half. Whenever I play a game and I’m getting hard focused, it forces me to get off mercy. But I think watching replays are so important to improving. Some of the mistakes Moira made I make when I play Moira. Replays are definitely important.
DPSing the backline when the team needs them the most - yea, thats a silver Moira. That Sombra was just horrendous though…😂
A true Moira main can heal and deal damage 💅
a true moira main unbind the healing button
That Moira content was so spicy, it lured babe-bots in the comments.
“Machine gun jubblies? How did I miss those?”
I only ever check the board to see where my teammates ultimate charges are and to check if the other team switched characters. But I also only ever check my own stats to see where I can improve in the game.
I don't know how you didn't mention that this Moira was healing the enemy team like half the time she's using her resources lol
I would argue (very generally i would add) that the stats of a match will refllect between 40-60% of the actual value, and contributions of the match. doing damage, contributes, damage mitigation contributes. its not that stats, or in this case low damage, matter that much, its that they dont matter as much as before. look at widow, could have 3 elims, 3 final blows, and have 750 damage (3 one shot 250 health characters) and everyone else could be at 2 elims and 2k damage. however, damage relfect "generic overall team pressure" meaning if you are pumping damage at the enemy tank, they are forced to play near cover, and or heal/retreat, because its pressure. additionally, damage generates ult charge. which is a direct representation of contributing to your own win condition.
i would argue that as a initial set up, sombra, tracer into a pharah is not the best set up, it is rather glass canon like. the idea here would be to swap to help with the pharah rather then for specifically "increased damage"
Is there a link for the c9 song
Honestly as soon as I see Moira complain, I already know who to blame
Perfect opportunity to blame the tank
That mercy got too many free rez
Running queen to this orisa was more of an issue than the dps. Thay said, i didnt se a hack on bob at all. If emongg is right about stats and that plays are more important, did the sombra do even that that? That said im only after the first round here.
I also like to check the scoreboard but it can be misleading. Widow might kill with one 200 dmg headshot but a soldier might make no kill with 1000 dmg poke just feeding enemy support ult charge. Healing can be low when people don't group and die alone, die too fast, always get behind walls or you roll the enemy and barely take damage.
10:55 that would have been a huge play if the moira just threw a heal orb to distract the cass and mercy. What I see a lot of Moiras do is trying to go for kills, but that's more often than not not the goal of flanking. It is a lot better to threaten a kill for the attention of 2 enemies instead of trying to go for the perfect flank on an isolated target. Now, the situation of course wasn't the best one, but that is a play this Moira should keep in mind when they want to climb.
First things first: Don't ask people to swap, especially if you won'tcan't swap yourself. The only exception is going to be something like "Hey, they're running Sym Junk or something, if you go pharah I'll go mercy for you".
Secondly, actually I kind of agree the dps comp was the problem but not really for the reason that the poster said. I think they were doing their jobs well, but because it's silver and nobody knows how to play with either of those heroes individually, even less people know how to be on a team with them so they were increasing the chaos and mistiming's on your team.
Honestly there was not a lot you can individually, but being positive rather than negative to your team goes a really long way towards making games that aren't winnable winnable.
this map became an instant favorite for me after I played Illari on it and I was 23-0
Hey guys does anybody know if emongg still does reacting to ranked games if there’s any other way, except discord to submit videos because I want to know how I can get my rank up
I see the value of the fun playing Sombra Tracer. IMO probably not the best pick for first point defend. Sombra or Tracer with about any other DPS to take advantage of the high ground (with more damage) first point defense would have additional value. I'm not a fan of comp, my value of fun to win ratio is not that important, but I think if playing comp, team comp should be the overall goal. After first point, Sombra, Tracer has more value, but the right team comp could have prevented anything after first point. Asking a tank to switch, to fit the DPS play style is an OK thing, but then the support may have to switch to fit that style. If anyone asks someone to switch they must also be willing to switch if it just isn't working. Personal stubbornness is something OW will never overcome.
barely started and there is a car right below the highground and hes shooting pharah and doesn't bhop up so even if he is going for kills hes not good at it. that would be a free kill if he calls it out and flies up there
This was not that bad of a Moira gameplay. I seen a lot of purple orbs. Lol
The healing orbs they’ve got to focus more on throwing them diagonal or sideways! Walls are your best friend with Moira
…or did they? Made me giggle 🤭
Moira whining passive is the best passive in the game
man, i love the c9 song
I want to point out that the moira didn't switch because they felt like they could get the most value out of moira. How do you know the dps didn't feel the same about the heroes they were playing? Sure, you can always ask people to switch nicely but don't get angry if they say no...
People are never going to understand that stat numbers dont mean anything with the existence of the scoreboard. I prefer that have one since it can give you a bit of insight comparing yourself to the enemy team, but that scoreboard isnt gonna tell you how well youve been positioning, who youve been supporting the whole game, or how in general you personally have been affecting the team fights.
I completely agree that people are way to focused on stats. I can get completely dominated, we still win, then someone who did even worse stat wise says tank diff and calls me terrible
My 2 year old sings the point song everytime it comes on 😂
What im getting from this vod is to spam dmg orb KEKW
I think the first half of this gameplay pretty much sums up metal ranks. The Moira played fairly well for the most part aside from some healing orbs and the last positioning issue where they faded into the back line. But there are so many games in those ranks where you just can’t overcome bad synergy and bad team play. Not sure how the devs can fix that issue in low ranks either
This support isn’t really working with their tank. They were so far away from their junkerqueen so they barely got healed. I’m not too knowledgeable about Tanks but JQ uses a more up close brawl style and so does Moira. I think if this player just literally moved forward to their tank they would’ve had more value. The tank would’ve been able to create more space and allow the dps to make more plays. Instead this player doesn’t realize that playing 400ft away from your team is the issue. They also should’ve swapped when the tank swapped because the comp changed to dive.
They could have easily touched the point.
metal ranks try not to ult in a 1v5 (impossible)
From what I saw from your videos a couple months ago, you made a great leap. Before I thought you used to talk like you were talking to a 5 year old kid. Now the videos seem more entertaining.
Today I found out u can hack immortality field
Stop wasting your healing spray. It has a short-ish range, does not go through walls, and is useless on allies who are already full health…
Moira spray at full health actually semi useful. Healing over time if they poke
Most Ow players are so focused on stats and flame people if they aren’t high even when they are providing good value by distracting, getting cooldowns out, getting picks, protecting teammates so they get value. Getting 10k dmg as solider by standing behind tank and farming is not even near as much value as someone with lower damage, tracer/sombra/kiriko/reaper, anyone who is flanking, distracting someone on the enemy team and making space. PLEASE OW COMMUNITY stop being stat bots and think about what you and your team are doing/ need to do, to get value. Instead of just, shoot them.
Yo! I watched some of this live! Now I get to see what I missed!
The way the average human being thinks is why i never join voice chat.
Maybe because Im plat, but am I the only one who is focussing on elims instead of damage? Like if you have low damage, but high elims, you have effective damage/plays
They need to nerf Moiras damage or lower her self heal so people stop trying to DPS with her.
her damage has already been nerfed recently and moira is also a resource based hero, she is meant to do damage to keep up the heals. although, this person struggled to utilise moira as shes meant to be
typical moira player going uunga bunga big number good heheheheh
Not sure if it's mentioned already but Moira and Bap are probably the two worst possible support heroes to run with Winston/tracer/sombra on kings row. There's no way that team was ever gonna get enough heals midfight.
you had me at team comp and lost me at enough heals midfight
@@bootoothey're also not getting speed boost, discord or anything else either if that helps
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Moiras heal orb is basically her "oh crap" button. For the most part, dmg orbs and spray are your go to. You only throw heal orbs when you fall behind on heals
I'm just hear to say this:
Your negative comment is who you main.Moira mains are supports who gets dived and complains about no kills.(DPS is literally too dead to kill)
You can't be at work AND cook a meal in your kitchen.
Stick to your lane and let the DPS and Tank do their job while you do yours.Heal.
So I did the math on this. From a pure healing efficiency standpoint, healing orbs are better. So like, if you're in a position that's demanding a lot of healing, you will heal more with your gold orb than you will be able to heal with the resources replenished by your damage orb. Obviously there's more to the decision making than this, but I think it's useful info.
And you can double up on healing with the orb and the secondary to ensure the tank stays up.
After one or two pics, when the enemy starts falling back, you can leave an orb to heal people up while you finish a stragler.
stop looking at the scoreboard. stop worrying about your teammates numbers. based on the text of your submission, you think numbers = value and have no idea what your teammates actually should be doing. tracer and sombra SHOULDN'T have high damage numbers. if they do, that can actually be a sign they're just shooting a tank who isnt falling over (not saying shooting a tank is bad, its only bad if you never actually confirm the kill).
until you actually understand the game at a higher level, stop worrying about what your teammates are doing and focus instead on helping them more efficiently and effectively.
KR is a great Moira map because there are so many walls and surfaces to bounce orbs off of. take half a second before you throw an orb to consider aiming it to maximize its uptime, i.e., maximize the time it spends actually doing something for you and your team. this goes for both damage and healing orbs but especially for healing orbs. get used to positioning safely and at angles that let you easily bounce the orb horizontally. don't throw it at the ground unless youre in a small room with a low ceiling (and even then, bouncing off walls is typically going to be just fine).
learn Moira's healing range. 15m isn't THAT huge. you mention you play Mercy - Moira's spray is the same length as Mercy's beam, so if you could attach beam as Mercy, you can reach with Moira. you waste so many healing resources by standing a million miles away from your teammates.
on first point, you spend most of your time feeding. yes you weren't playing respawn simulator, but you were standing in the open taking constant damage and you weren't even close enough to your tank to heal them most of the time. it's okay to stand near hotel so you take less damage (aka feed less) while still healing your tank and doing a bit of chip damage to keep up your resources.
i actually disagree with emongg's bit about damage orb, to an extent. healing orb is just so valuable because it's an AOE heal and lets you either burst heal by spraying and using the orb OR continue to heal while getting resources back. btw, tapping damage will get resources back faster than holding down the succ on someone. I'm the type of Moira who is typically doing strategic damage primarily to get healing resources back, so getting that tapping down will be super helpful for you in the long run.
overall, you're just really lost. you don't have much of a plan and you don't understand all the moving pieces of the game so you rely on numbers as a shorthand. i see so many times where you spin in a circle spraying healing even though there are literally zero teammates around you.
focus on yourself instead of crying about what you think your teammates are doing wrong. you have proven you don't understand the game well enough to fixate on others. focus on yourself and all of your mistakes. that will serve you in the long run.
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Emongg, Thank You for saying that a Good Moira Player balances DPS and Heals, Lmao I main Moira and she’s my number one support because I have games where I balance them out Lol, it feels great when you can do that as a support.
this moira got so focused on the perceived lack of value from her dps and didn't do enough healing in order to compensate with more damage. could have been an easy win if they'd done more healing at the right times and not worried about how much damage was being done to the other team. keep your team alive as much as possible and they'll do more damage.
The DPS were a bit bad to be honest, Moira had great value in this video.
With better DPS, they could have won.
@@stavrakaspaok im not saying the dps were good, but they didn't really have a chance and that was the problem; the moira got obsessed with doing damage bc she thought the dps were bad instead of going "okay my team isnt doing enough damage; how can i help them?" it is never the moira's job to be the dps, ever. yes, she should do damage; yes, she has a healing metre to fill; yes, that generally means she's going to have a lot of dmg and elims on the board; but that should never be her focus. her focus should on using the right orbs at the right times, keeping her team healthy, and doing damage to discourage flankers or draw out cds; this moira was doing none of that, so even if the dps were god tier for this rank, they still wouldn't have been able to do much.
I like hitting tab when the match is over, that way I can complaint but it's too late to get tilted
There is problem, if no one deals damage - nothing dies. This why on games with less or zero coordination more damage is almost everytime a good option. Since there is no focused fire from team most of the time. At least this how games in gold/plat.
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@@randomayaya Nah, i'm a Tank main, but i prefer to understand how every other role is played. Since you need to do so much more as Tank than DPS. Dps have one job - help to secure kills and if they underperform Tank is first to suffer from it, since he can't kill anything and supports need to put more heals to just keep tank alive. This why i prefer more when dps have less impact than tank.
@@neondead2.0.15this season is DPS reliant, so if u have bad DPS......ggs. Nothing as a tank u can do and supports can't out heal no more. Also jus tell your team to focus on the tank, if u can't have fun, neither should him lol😂
In overwatch i see people feed before a team fight or after a lost team fight and then tell people they need to switch characters but they dont know how to play the game in a fundamental sense, i never join any chat in OW.
as a moira main, i think they were doing ok. they just need to, as was said, consider when a damage orb might be more valuable than a healing one, and stop healing the air. biotic grasp has good range, but not that long
Throwing the healing balls on the floor ALL the time made me question how he even is in silver
Typical Moira player. Playing for stats, not impact. The fact that they don't have to aim on that hero gave them a crazy ego
Average moira player:
10:31 Did not over-commit to backline; faded from one bad situation right into the middle of another. Day in the life of a Moira
My biggest pet peeve as a Moira is when nobody ever tries to fight within my Ult.
Bruh they was literally setup with dive dps and this moira over here thinking they not doing damage, when your ass on moira the stat farming hero 😂😂 this moira literally playing worse then the dps tf they on about
all i see here is a sombra that didnt hack the bob, tracer just being annoying but didnt even drop a pulse bomb that actually had an elim and the moira just wasting orb cooldown
i dont care what these comments say, this is a silver game so this is just expected at this point
everyone roasting this moira but for silver they played well
Im a gold 5 moira but this looks like wood scrap 5.
He played really well, I dunno why ur trying desperately to prove them wrong and make it their fault, it's always same on these type of vods, sometimes ur team is just worse so you auto lose. This is one of those games.
played well, but pointing out the healing orb over usage was a big point on moira. these ppl arent submitting their games to be applauded
How can the Moira improve by commentary on the game play of the dps?
That was quite the loaded statement. They're not "trying desperately to prove them wrong and make it their fault", it's already everyone's fault that they lost, it doesn't need to be proven, the defeat itself confirms that a team failed to perform better than the other team. High rank players like emongg don't need to "try desperately" to see faults in people's gameplay, the fact that high skill players can quickly notice and act on mistakes they see is one of the things that make them high skill in the first place.
Anyway, it's not about the blame game, it's about analyzing plays to see what could be done better to give players the information they need to have more impact on their games. By improving as a player, they can turn those "autoloss" games into hard fought wins. Moira orb bounces can seem like a such a small nitpick to you that you perceive it as desperation to critique orb usage but a good orb flight path will get you saves and elims that a yolo orb simply wouldn't.
you watched this and thought he played very well?? you must be silver too lmao. so many winnable fights that just became stagnant or lost bc of moiras air healing lmao
Yeah you're forgetting that these are viewer submitted games so that THEY can improve their gameplay and hopefully get enough insight to carry games like this in the future.
Tbf the Sombra was kinda useless, was watching her play frontline shooting the Orisa almost the entire game and not really getting behind them to get many picks. The Tracer did ok but unfortunately the enemy team stuck together and made it difficult for her to get anything meaningful done by herself, would’ve helped if the Sombra actually made any sort of plays to distract and split them up a little bit.
You’re too focused on this player’s actions and not looking at what the team is doing to think why this player is making these choices. Could they’ve done better? Absolutely, but I don’t think it would’ve changed the result too much