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You are welcome. Thank you for your feedback. Well said. There is a reluctance to engage in self-reflection and this would bring them into contact with their shame and self-hate. Ultimately, they are not strong enough to face reality.
Agreed. The explanation of self protection ...As a truth teller/seeker, I know of a (narcissist) who used those exact words...to protect themselves...And they admitted their use of (flying monkeys ) to emotionally and physically support their (denied) behavior toward the (target), is also to further protect themselves. Their victim mentality is through the roof 😮 Ironically, such a shame
My father has been doing this for a really long time he denies everything bad he's ever done to me & acts like he's holier than thou and a goody 2shoes . He doesn't give a damn about me his son he only came back into my life to use mind control . Don't want anything to do with him! He's done nothing but bring the worse out in me he also secretly betrayed me with people who claim they were my friends & family .
I rained hell on my abusive father when I got older. I suggest everyone do the same. Not hurt them physically , just get up close and personal with a few choice words they will never forget lol
I called my mom and told her you are unruly and i am not tolerating it anymore and hung up before she could rail on me. She is psychotic and was abused and feel bad for her but God alone can help
i can read you a novel about it, i had Alcoholics in my family. It is nightmare, a double-face PERSON, a "nice-person" when sober and a "satan" when alcoholised. basicly it is illness....
I kind of confronted my father and he replied with anger and disgust at me and said “ that’s just the way things were done back in those days” No accountability and kind of gaslighting. I’m keeping the peace at a far distance in hope I’m still in there will lol. And to be honest I don’t think I’ll even cry at his funeral
I was an only child and had abusive parents..both parents blamed me, shouted at me frequently,beat me as a child for minor naughtiness or disobedience. I often had shame that the neighbours can hear the shouting and what will they think? I had shame that the cane marks will be visible on my arms and legs and the kids in school will ask. I had a lot of shame, and anger. My parents fought with each other as well over minor things. There was no alcholism or vices, in fact both were very self righteous church goers ! As i grew up i had a sense of anger and revenge against them. When my father was in his eighties he came to live with me. I took him in and cared for him, but i berated him, shouted at him and beat him for minor annoyances and disobedience. I was having my revenge and loving it. When he asked me why am i so rough with him, i reminded him of all that he had said and done to me my whole childhood. Guess what....he denied everything and said that he had only given me love ! Unbelievable. I dont know whether he really lived in denial or he felt it better to deny the truth. Any insights ? For me, i found peace in a happy marriage to a calm man, and did not repeat this behaviour. I found peace in the revenge i had on my father when he fell into my hands. Perhaps that makes me a bad person ?
I'm not a professionalist so don't take my words to heart simply my opinion if you wished to hear them to perhaps helps you process more of the situation whether or not it's wrong. However in my opinion i feel like what you did isn't really completely wrong however it isn't completely right either, i think it's more about defending yourself, finding a voice for the you that was once young and abused (at least that's how i see it) which is why i don't really find it wrong as clearly you were never heard even in the end when you and your father was both adults, as he denied any wrong doings. Despite the fact that you never see theses types of people doing the same thing to others who aren't their own children, (or else they get arrested) clearly shows that they are aware somewhat even if not consciously that what they are doing is wrong, especially when it's not someone's else child who gets the same treatment and it's two strangers. (i also had abusive parents though they were more emotionally abusive, even if sometimes what my father did to me could be seen as sexual abuse by some, so i base off some of my opinion based on it as well as observation though I don't know a lot)
The individuals you call 'parents' were weak and stupid and proud.. just like mine... They are simply not intellectually able... They are disabled... Your emotions towards them is 100% accurate. I fear the same fate for me, as I can't stand the presence of either of mine, and sometimes can't resist telling 'em calmly and logically what I really think... I desperately try to not be their abuser... but I'm sure I'm gonna fail.
I do relate to you and your story. However, in my opinion, treating your father badly will not help you deal with your childhood. You're just repeating his behavior to get revenge, and that's pretty shallow. I can only see this hurting you in the long run.
Growing up in my household, mistakes were considered a moral failure on behalf of the person making them. Makes sense as to why I never tried to do anything. I was damned if I did and damned if I didn't. So, I froze. That's how I survived. Now, I have to fix this in adulthood. I'm not getting what I want out of life because I'm hiding, living in constant fear of persecution, even though that narcissistic family member isn't around anymore.
feel you bro/sis. i grow up in same family, worst that can happen to child is growing up with narcisist parents who can't take care of themself ! it is nightmare ! i grew up with parents me as child from 12-yo i had to fix and help parents in all PARTS of adult life, simultaniously not having my own life, i was ghosted in life by parents, ignored, gaslighted, scapegoated and shiftblamed and lied. stayin sane, was the highest priority for me, just survive. Now as ADULT i have to fix myself, without unleashing the Mountain of anger on Old Parents. they are bad, very bad...i would want to revenge them, but i will not do it. i will just leave them alone... terrible parents, i appreciate and welcome any "Child-Goverment" service who take children away from SUCH parents, its a good thing, it can save you 20-30 years of your life with your imature parents, who constantly manipulate you to get their way. Goverment must do better service to protect children from maliscious NARCISIST parents !
They're always right, and they're the best parents there have ever been. They have nothing to learn. They'll always deny anything that makes them look less than perfect.
I can see this as b3ing the case with my narcissistic mother who scapegoated me. But i cant see it being the case with the "best friend" i had who was in fact my worst enemy in desguise. A narcissist. He saw me when my guard was down, and knew from the getgo what he wzs goi g to do with me. From the love bombing, to the devaluation, then to the discard. He left with everything. He left with my soul, with my identity. He stole my friends. He took everything and left me in pieces. You know, it can be very invaldiating for codependents to say that narcissists react out of their own trauma. It excuses them. Some people are evil. When Paul bernardo chose certain victims for him to murder, he knew what he was doing. My "friend" used to laugh about how he put a goldfish in a bleach. I once saw him beat a dog with a stick. There are simply evil people in the world. They are spoken about in fairy tales, the wolf dressed up as grandma to eat red riding hood. They are cunning, they are tactful, and they are children of the devil, destined for hell. That is the God honest truth. Psychology does not speak about good and evil, but religion does.
3:10 unbelievably eye opening and scary to think there are people out there faking this, and using words as an instrument, because of not being able to own past mistakes and or behaviour that was not decent.
Resonating across the world, across the time of nearly 5 years since this post, to a tally of more people than you could imagine. Carry on, with courage and wisdom from your experience and wisdom and studies, Oliver JR Cooper!✌👍
Thank you for the validation. I come from a family that would rather believe I'm just delusional than accept the likelihood that an abuser may not simply "admit" what they did. Bc abusers wear signs on their forehead and readily admit guilt, right? Unbelievable. Truly unbelievable
You are welcome, @LauraCooper-nu1re. Yes, it takes a lot of strength to be able to come forward. Keep going. From one Cooper to another, you have got this.
@oliverjrcooper I came forward and was not believed. So I went silent again. Just staying silent now. It's not worth it to scream truth from the mountaintops when everyone who hears just puts their fingers in their ears and turns away.
I understand. In this case, it is usually best to work with a therapist, for instance, and work through your wounds that way. Their acknowledgement and validation will also help to gradually liberate you.
@oliverjrcooper you can find some level of emotional liberation that way, but depending upon the level of power the abuser, or family system, has over every aspect of your life, you still may be unable to gain practical, real liberation from the controlling dynamic. 30 years of therapy and trauma work here 🙋. Still "physically" trapped by various methods of coercive control. Referring to both childhood family abusive dynamic as well as adult relationships here.
So as an adult i am ingrained that making a mistake will be met with harsh punishment. I know it's not a reality but its my automatic instinct. Feeling somewhat healed going no contact. Tired of the lies, toxic drama and entitlement
The first 4 minutes of the video is GOLD , the rest , seemed like interpretation of the one making the video, it is not always the case. But thanks for explaining the shameless part, and how they can’t except it. It would be to overwhelming.
I just wish I could find a roommate so I can get out of my family's house. It's just too much of their toxic behavior. Of course, I'm not gonna type the whole story about what's going on. But I've been depressed lately and can't take it anymore being near my "relatives". Never thought I'd even sleep on the streets on 3 occasions and nobody in my family seemed to care. Me ending up homeless, I see it as a possibility. I don't know why a lot of people say "ALL" parents are "loving" and "caring" when that's not the case.
Well it's eclipse coming now I can close the cycle, wish me luck, it's a sweet video for me. Now I get it what happened to me and to this lineage. Thank you so much this is such a great insight for me.
Hello @allesasmart, thank you for your comment. Due to what she has been through, her wanting her family back doesn’t make any sense. However, due to what she has been through, her survival can still be attached to them. This factor, along with others, will play a part in her attachment to them.
To anyone who needs to hear it: forgiveness is not the same as trust and doesn't mean we have to tolerate or stay around harmful behavior in anyone, especially when healthy changes are not being worked on. It is not wrong to righteously judge reality and make wise decisions based on truth, and that doesn't mean we have to hate the other person or wish them ill. True peace is not the absence of conflict or avoiding discussions or responsibility or avoiding standing up for self-respect and values. True peace is made by both parties being honest, bending toward God's ways and truth, working together for what is best for both parties with respect and accountability, and both working through problems and changing for the better. This takes both sides doing the work to create peace and trust and safety and respect. It's okay to love from a distance when needed. I hope all who are seeking find healing.
What if they do say they are sorry and they do stop the abuse, but they don't want to keep talking about it as they say they are too ashamed, they just want to never do it again, and be better? Is it likely? Does it ever warrant forgiveness or is it broken, and needs to be "no contact"?
That is a very tricky situation, but I'd say that if they want you back in their life then they need to face what they've done to you. They don't get to just gloss over it. That's like someone telling you how to experience your pain. Err with caution going forward with that person
l am glad you follow stories & state facts, I wish it had been service & good people to help us from the Monster Parent, specially the Monster Mother. we I've been failed badly from a child and I've always lived my life 1 day at a time not caring about anything in life much, or myself.. Its only one person I can say I care about that kept me during 1 day at a time but I really lived why entire life as if each day was the last day and nothing else to look forward to. all this monster ever taught me was that education meant nothing. Its so much I don't know where to start, I've lost countless years of rest, and I've tried to block out all that happened but it's impossible to do so. her older children walked away not caring if she lived or died and I'm the one stayed around trying to help her in a lot of bad situations and all she ever had are excuses! she don't have any remorse for what she did and she never apologized for any of it. I've always tried to help her and the more I help her the worst she treat me to This very day. she's just as evil as she ever been and I wanted to call Steve wilkos but I know she want answers any of his questions or anyone's questions and she hates white people! She hates anyone who try to tell her what she's did it doing wrong. she never thought much of authority figures, justice systems or laws. the way we had to live do to her not caring, are very sad. She had 1 teen who attempt to jump from a 9th floor project building, and another teen got scared telling her that she think the other teen was going to jump out the window and all she said was she didn't care and she made no attempts to try to prevent it from happening, she continued doing what she was doing and that probably was watching one life to live or all my children or general hospital at that time. This is a drop in the bucket of my childhood my mother was a bad parent and still pure evil to this day..she deserve to burn in hell. & some people don't deserve to bring kids into the world..Going to tell you some of what happened in my life as a child and I'm still effected by it today. We were homeless as a child do to poor choices the lady who birth me , she never showed love for her children. I've had a number of conversations/ disagreements with her about how she failed me as a child and her excuses are always telling me it's my fault. she's a very cold hearted monster, with no heart or soul whatsoever. I am the youngest born with SMA ( spinal muscular atrophy) She never been supportive in any situations. She had her older kids saying negative things making , one constantly calling me cripple on different occasions and the lady that birth me smirk as if it was funny. She never cared ever and I got a brother who suffer from autism, she never got him the help he needed. she beat and abused him a lot calling him names like crazy or profanity names very often. She should've given me & him up for adoption because from the age 8, I believe we became homeless hungry going from house to house then vacant apartment to vacant apartments in the projects. I remember she would ask people to borrow money when she had no income to pay it back, sometimes she borrow $15 , 10, or 5, whatever people could afford to give. I remember she were only able to borrow $5 this one time and she bought a pack of cigarettes that cost about $3.35 and this had to be around 1985. I remember asking her to buy some food and she said I am buying me some cigarette because if I buy food once the food gone then what. I said we can't eat cigarettes. she bought the cigarette, then she use the rest which was about $1.75 left to buy some penny candy. she said eat some candy to kill the hungry pain. My brother who suffer from autism , she beat on him a lot she handcuffed him to the chair with handcuffs that my dad son with his ex wife given her, he worked as a security at that time. she wouldn't get him on medication and when she did she trashed a lot of the medication saying she not giving him that. I went to school first grade and I missed 2nd 3rd and 4th grade do to her not being in her business like she should've. she point a finger at everyone but don't accept responsibility for her own action rite now today.I told her that a step brother molested me at age 5 and she said I didn't tell her and I said the other grown ups made me think it was my fault and she told me it's my fault for not telling her. She treat me so bad do to my disability and I'm the only one who try to help help but never again because she don't exist to me. when I did get in school in 5th grade I act out so badly do to what I was going through with and she sat around waiting on people to give. i Remember one of my step brother ask her to watch his sick child about age 3, he had brain tumors, she told me she whip him because he doing all that crying and he was to old to be in pampers. I told her he was sick she didn't care. She is pure evil. one of my other brothers gmjpin the gang living in the projects and he ask her to put him in a different school he was about 14, she said no because he shouldn't be hanging with gangs but that was all he knew because we grew up in that hood. He really had no choice but to join or get picked on but the school was a few blocks away in the rival gang turf. I told her that her old neighbor tried to molest me and I didn't tell her and I told her I shouldn't been outside 2 and 3 am and sleeping in vacant apartments just me in my autism bother most time because she wasn't there. she make up a million excuses. she told it's old stuff I'm bringing up and to get over it. she don't understand the scares are real deep and to make it worst she won't apologize she don't think she's wrong. I told her I was a 8 year old child staying in vacant apartments hungry many days.Has no soap no deodorant no nothing. this story so long so deep and it can go on forever. my dad had custody of him and his ex wife kids and he and they got beat and abused , one of his daughters told that our dad sisters would make them pull they panties down then sniff between they legs to see how they smelled and smirking making fun of and laughing. I plan to write a book and I wish it could be a movie bcuz the world definitely need to know.
My mother says that she only hit us with a belt when we needed it. This is the same woman who never took me to change my ADHD medication and didn't take me to the dentist since I was 4. This is also the same woman who tried to take my kids then say she didn't have that intention even though she specifically asked how to get custody of them.
Because my mom abanonded me at age 6 (she left because my dad was abusive, but then didn't rescue me from him) I ended up growing up with my abusive dad.... and his abusive mom. She was probably why he was abusive. So now I have 2 of them. And the abuse wasn't just emotional and physical, it was also sexual. My dad would do things, and my grandma would tell me it was my fault, that I seduced him. So not only was I abused, I was told it was my fault I was abused, that I had "asked for it". I don't know where to categorize my mom. She knew what was going on. She knew both my dad and grandma were abusive. She knew that by leaving me, I would be stuck with both of them. But she never came back to rescue me. Instead she waited until I was all grown up, moved out on my own, and then popped back into my life.... only to tell me to move back in with my dad so I could cook, clean and basically be his wife all over again.
I'm so sorry, life is not fair. My husband was a scapegoat, the abuse continues. Family members don't talk, the mom is 85, her time is limited. Narcissism...God I hate it.
Wow, I’m truly so very sorry. Evil exists! Your mother is a horrible human being for leaving you there like that, especially because you mentioned she knew they were abusive. I wish you were rescued:( I hope you find lots of love and healing.
Oh god that is so freaking sick! 🤢 So sorry you went through this crap and still are! 😢😮 Wishing your life to be so much better. Peace ☮️ be upon you. ❤
in my case it was gaslighting me and that's because my father is a narcissist of course I didn't know anything about narcissism or that he was even a narcissist until I was almost 50 years old and had relationship problems with a guy who is a narcissist that didn't end very well either but that was 8 1/2 years ago thankfully Because of that relationship I was able to start seeing clearly and learning about narcissism and understanding why the behaviors were so strange and it was so familiar and then I got to realize that it was reminiscent of my relationship with my dad At which time I got pretty angry and started blowing up my father's phone with text messages about all the stuff that I never confronted him on and got that off my chest this went on for about two years straight whenever the mood struck me I feel a lot better now
I guess people deny what happened because they see it different and if they also love, they will feel attacked by the memory that you are exposing as a predatory content to them. In their minds they are the parents. They have lots of beliefs, values about this activity to honor (like they did in the past) and the overwhelming feeling of. Non grateful adult child is enough for them to not even listen very well what you are telling. They may wonder what you might be looking for if not to punish them? And in their memories things happened differently but the other is not open to hear either - and eventually their curiosity of why the other is bringing all of this after all?
Rings of Power was a failure as an adaptation from LOTR, but it succeeded in demonstrating Modern Narcissism and Manipulation with the Performance of the Sauron actor. World Class, really, though most won't see it.
It is unlikely to occur to a parent like this that how they respond is the same or very similar to how other abusive parents behave when they are unable to face reality. Most likely, they are carry too much pain and need to defend against it at all costs to be able to keep it together. I created this one after - ruclips.net/video/BPwCFoUgSyQ/видео.html
Abuse, blaming, lying, and denying are all part of a nasty personality. IMO, there are people who should never be allowed to have children. You need to have a driver's license if you want to drive a car, but if you're a psychopath or similar, you can breed like a rabbit with wild abandon, and nobody cares until after the damage is done. Society is full of shit.
Hello @ryansergas2776, I agree that it is unconscious. However, if this was the only element - assuming that this is what you are implying - a parent would still be able to show empathy and be understanding. They would know that they, like a lot of people, behave in ways that are unconscious, while also realising that they were responsible for how they behaved. Therefore, when a parent denies what happened and doesn’t show empathy or understanding, there are other elements involved.
Perhaps because the never forgiving adult child builds a bank of invented memories - a mix of real and invented wrongdoings of the hated parent. This bank of invented memories has tremendous value to them as an adult person, over time they add more invented memories to it. It becomes like a treasure chest, to which they reach every time to take out 'evidence' that explains and justifies why they are the dysfunctional, sad, hateful, unable to feel empathy, unforgiving, cruel to the aging parent, dismissive, dehumanizing person they have become as an adult. This arsenal of invented memories helps the unforgiving adult child never to grow up, to remain a child inside, to be unable to understand they they are not the ideal person, much like their parent was not, and is not ideal, as none of us is an angel. Lack of humility, respect, grace, courtesy, and much arrogance, unthankfulness, feeling sorry for themselves, feeling superior to the parent, unwillingness to reconcile or discuss anything, no matter how much the parent may apologize. Hiding from themselves, not willing to see the truth. Sick. Tragic. Sad.
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Parents despise accountability.
Thank you for the clear explanation of Narcissism and projection of shame. The absolute avoidance to face their own shame is a constant.
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Well said. There is a reluctance to engage in self-reflection and this would bring them into contact with their shame and self-hate. Ultimately, they are not strong enough to face reality.
Agreed. The explanation of self protection ...As a truth teller/seeker, I know of a (narcissist) who used those exact words...to protect themselves...And they admitted their use of (flying monkeys ) to emotionally and physically support their (denied) behavior toward the (target), is also to further protect themselves. Their victim mentality is through the roof 😮
Ironically, such a shame
@@oliverjrcooperwe gotta pray for them in Jesus name
My father has been doing this for a really long time he denies everything bad he's ever done to me & acts like he's holier than thou and a goody 2shoes . He doesn't give a damn about me his son he only came back into my life to use mind control . Don't want anything to do with him! He's done nothing but bring the worse out in me he also secretly betrayed me with people who claim they were my friends & family .
I rained hell on my abusive father when I got older. I suggest everyone do the same. Not hurt them physically , just get up close and personal with a few choice words they will never forget lol
I would confront them with truth for sure but hate begets hate. Dont let satan take you over
I called my mom and told her you are unruly and i am not tolerating it anymore and hung up before she could rail on me. She is psychotic and was abused and feel bad for her but God alone can help
Good explanation they didnt know how to deal w their shame so inflated themselves to make it. Pray for them. They can not repair their own shame
They are doing it to protect themselves ..true. ty for this word
So true they hide behind darkness( lies/shame). The child then is put in the dark they create.
Well said. The child is also put into the darkness that they have disowned.
"I have never hit any of you"
My mother ten minutes after leaving a red handprint on the back of my leg.
She even kept her rings on
"i would never hurt my family" says every abusive alcoholic
every parent says it too, especially if they claim to be christians.
Not necessarily alcoholic. But yes
i can read you a novel about it, i had Alcoholics in my family. It is nightmare, a double-face PERSON, a "nice-person" when sober and a "satan" when alcoholised. basicly it is illness....
I kind of confronted my father and he replied with anger and disgust at me and said “ that’s just the way things were done back in those days”
No accountability and kind of gaslighting.
I’m keeping the peace at a far distance in hope I’m still in there will lol. And to be honest I don’t think I’ll even cry at his funeral
I was disowned; it’s a very narcissistic thing to do - still trying to control you.
First of all ….narcs take no accountability, save your breath trying to get thru to their demonic minds 👹
Now, I’m finally getting it, the reason why they get mad at you when you tell them what they’d done to you.
I'm pleased to hear that, @germelinalacorte3849. Keep up the good work.
interesting, both of my parents would never admit wrongdoing….
Sad. Sorry to hear that. God bless you just the same. I am sorry you were hurt
I was an only child and had abusive parents..both parents blamed me, shouted at me frequently,beat me as a child for minor naughtiness or disobedience. I often had shame that the neighbours can hear the shouting and what will they think? I had shame that the cane marks will be visible on my arms and legs and the kids in school will ask. I had a lot of shame, and anger. My parents fought with each other as well over minor things. There was no alcholism or vices, in fact both were very self righteous church goers ! As i grew up i had a sense of anger and revenge against them. When my father was in his eighties he came to live with me. I took him in and cared for him, but i berated him, shouted at him and beat him for minor annoyances and disobedience. I was having my revenge and loving it. When he asked me why am i so rough with him, i reminded him of all that he had said and done to me my whole childhood. Guess what....he denied everything and said that he had only given me love ! Unbelievable. I dont know whether he really lived in denial or he felt it better to deny the truth. Any insights ?
For me, i found peace in a happy marriage to a calm man, and did not repeat this behaviour. I found peace in the revenge i had on my father when he fell into my hands. Perhaps that makes me a bad person ?
I'm not a professionalist so don't take my words to heart simply my opinion if you wished to hear them to perhaps helps you process more of the situation whether or not it's wrong.
However in my opinion i feel like what you did isn't really completely wrong however it isn't completely right either, i think it's more about defending yourself, finding a voice for the you that was once young and abused (at least that's how i see it) which is why i don't really find it wrong as clearly you were never heard even in the end when you and your father was both adults, as he denied any wrong doings.
Despite the fact that you never see theses types of people doing the same thing to others who aren't their own children, (or else they get arrested) clearly shows that they are aware somewhat even if not consciously that what they are doing is wrong, especially when it's not someone's else child who gets the same treatment and it's two strangers.
(i also had abusive parents though they were more emotionally abusive, even if sometimes what my father did to me could be seen as sexual abuse by some, so i base off some of my opinion based on it as well as observation though I don't know a lot)
The individuals you call 'parents' were weak and stupid and proud.. just like mine... They are simply not intellectually able... They are disabled... Your emotions towards them is 100% accurate. I fear the same fate for me, as I can't stand the presence of either of mine, and sometimes can't resist telling 'em calmly and logically what I really think... I desperately try to not be their abuser... but I'm sure I'm gonna fail.
Good, you got a chance to get it out of your system.
I do relate to you and your story. However, in my opinion, treating your father badly will not help you deal with your childhood. You're just repeating his behavior to get revenge, and that's pretty shallow. I can only see this hurting you in the long run.
I swore my family's dysfunction and abuse would stop at me and I thank god my son is a happy adult with a normal family of his own..
That's great to hear. It sounds like you have done really well :D.
I swore the same, and my son is a happy, successful adult with a happy wife and child.
Achieving this has healed me!
I don't want kids because of the abuse.
I am just too fucked up
What if you do well with kids because you know all this now? Just asking. @@RocketScienceIsSimple
Growing up in my household, mistakes were considered a moral failure on behalf of the person making them. Makes sense as to why I never tried to do anything. I was damned if I did and damned if I didn't. So, I froze. That's how I survived. Now, I have to fix this in adulthood. I'm not getting what I want out of life because I'm hiding, living in constant fear of persecution, even though that narcissistic family member isn't around anymore.
feel you bro/sis. i grow up in same family, worst that can happen to child is growing up with narcisist parents who can't take care of themself ! it is nightmare ! i grew up with parents me as child from 12-yo i had to fix and help parents in all PARTS of adult life, simultaniously not having my own life, i was ghosted in life by parents, ignored, gaslighted, scapegoated and shiftblamed and lied. stayin sane, was the highest priority for me, just survive. Now as ADULT i have to fix myself, without unleashing the Mountain of anger on Old Parents.
they are bad, very bad...i would want to revenge them, but i will not do it. i will just leave them alone...
terrible parents, i appreciate and welcome any "Child-Goverment" service who take children away from SUCH parents, its a good thing, it can save you 20-30 years of your life with your imature parents, who constantly manipulate you to get their way.
Goverment must do better service to protect children from maliscious NARCISIST parents !
They're always right, and they're the best parents there have ever been. They have nothing to learn.
They'll always deny anything that makes them look less than perfect.
My dad was a violent monster who denies that he did anything wrong. He rewrote history to make himself to be a saint, even though he was the devil
I can see this as b3ing the case with my narcissistic mother who scapegoated me. But i cant see it being the case with the "best friend" i had who was in fact my worst enemy in desguise. A narcissist. He saw me when my guard was down, and knew from the getgo what he wzs goi g to do with me. From the love bombing, to the devaluation, then to the discard. He left with everything. He left with my soul, with my identity. He stole my friends. He took everything and left me in pieces.
You know, it can be very invaldiating for codependents to say that narcissists react out of their own trauma. It excuses them. Some people are evil. When Paul bernardo chose certain victims for him to murder, he knew what he was doing. My "friend" used to laugh about how he put a goldfish in a bleach. I once saw him beat a dog with a stick. There are simply evil people in the world. They are spoken about in fairy tales, the wolf dressed up as grandma to eat red riding hood. They are cunning, they are tactful, and they are children of the devil, destined for hell. That is the God honest truth. Psychology does not speak about good and evil, but religion does.
Abusive parents already showed their kid what they really thought of him, every day of his existence.
3:10 unbelievably eye opening and scary to think there are people out there faking this, and using words as an instrument, because of not being able to own past mistakes and or behaviour that was not decent.
Resonating across the world, across the time of nearly 5 years since this post, to a tally of more people than you could imagine. Carry on, with courage and wisdom from your experience and wisdom and studies, Oliver JR Cooper!✌👍
Extremely insightful video. Deserves far more views
Hello Charles,
I'm glad you found it helpful. Thank you for your feedback.
Oliver
Thank you for the validation. I come from a family that would rather believe I'm just delusional than accept the likelihood that an abuser may not simply "admit" what they did. Bc abusers wear signs on their forehead and readily admit guilt, right? Unbelievable. Truly unbelievable
Revictimization is what happens to us when we come forward. THIS is why most of us stay silent. 🤐
You are welcome, @LauraCooper-nu1re. Yes, it takes a lot of strength to be able to come forward.
Keep going. From one Cooper to another, you have got this.
@oliverjrcooper I came forward and was not believed. So I went silent again. Just staying silent now. It's not worth it to scream truth from the mountaintops when everyone who hears just puts their fingers in their ears and turns away.
I understand. In this case, it is usually best to work with a therapist, for instance, and work through your wounds that way.
Their acknowledgement and validation will also help to gradually liberate you.
@oliverjrcooper you can find some level of emotional liberation that way, but depending upon the level of power the abuser, or family system, has over every aspect of your life, you still may be unable to gain practical, real liberation from the controlling dynamic. 30 years of therapy and trauma work here 🙋. Still "physically" trapped by various methods of coercive control. Referring to both childhood family abusive dynamic as well as adult relationships here.
So as an adult i am ingrained that making a mistake will be met with harsh punishment. I know it's not a reality but its my automatic instinct. Feeling somewhat healed going no contact. Tired of the lies, toxic drama and entitlement
The first 4 minutes of the video is GOLD , the rest , seemed like interpretation of the one making the video, it is not always the case. But thanks for explaining the shameless part, and how they can’t except it. It would be to overwhelming.
Hello @SmilezAffiliates, the whole video is based on my interpretation of this subject.
Anyway, I’m pleased to hear that you found some of it useful.
Thank you so much for this. So useful to me on this very dark day.
Your are very welcome. I'm pleased to hear that, and I hope you are in a better place now.
I just wish I could find a roommate so I can get out of my family's house. It's just too much of their toxic behavior. Of course, I'm not gonna type the whole story about what's going on. But I've been depressed lately and can't take it anymore being near my "relatives". Never thought I'd even sleep on the streets on 3 occasions and nobody in my family seemed to care. Me ending up homeless, I see it as a possibility. I don't know why a lot of people say "ALL" parents are "loving" and "caring" when that's not the case.
Both.😢
Well it's eclipse coming now I can close the cycle, wish me luck, it's a sweet video for me. Now I get it what happened to me and to this lineage. Thank you so much this is such a great insight for me.
Hello @hausoflaboratories, I wish you all the best. I'm pleased to hear that this video has assisted you.
You are welcome. Keep up the good work.
Former student of mine was so horribly messed up by dad (jailed for child perv) and mom (denial). She actually only wants her family back? Crazy
Hello @allesasmart, thank you for your comment.
Due to what she has been through, her wanting her family back doesn’t make any sense. However, due to what she has been through, her survival can still be attached to them.
This factor, along with others, will play a part in her attachment to them.
Well thought out video. thanks.
Thank you for your feedback. I'm pleased you found it helpful.
Forgiveness is universal and reciprocal….how u judge, u will be judged…if u want peace, give it ❤️
To anyone who needs to hear it: forgiveness is not the same as trust and doesn't mean we have to tolerate or stay around harmful behavior in anyone, especially when healthy changes are not being worked on. It is not wrong to righteously judge reality and make wise decisions based on truth, and that doesn't mean we have to hate the other person or wish them ill. True peace is not the absence of conflict or avoiding discussions or responsibility or avoiding standing up for self-respect and values. True peace is made by both parties being honest, bending toward God's ways and truth, working together for what is best for both parties with respect and accountability, and both working through problems and changing for the better. This takes both sides doing the work to create peace and trust and safety and respect. It's okay to love from a distance when needed. I hope all who are seeking find healing.
Forgiveness can be done at a distance.
What if they do say they are sorry and they do stop the abuse, but they don't want to keep talking about it as they say they are too ashamed, they just want to never do it again, and be better? Is it likely? Does it ever warrant forgiveness or is it broken, and needs to be "no contact"?
That is a very tricky situation, but I'd say that if they want you back in their life then they need to face what they've done to you. They don't get to just gloss over it. That's like someone telling you how to experience your pain.
Err with caution going forward with that person
l am glad you follow stories & state facts, I wish it had been service & good people to help us from the Monster Parent, specially the Monster Mother. we I've been failed badly from a child and I've always lived my life 1 day at a time not caring about anything in life much, or myself.. Its only one person I can say I care about that kept me during 1 day at a time but I really lived why entire life as if each day was the last day and nothing else to look forward to. all this monster ever taught me was that education meant nothing. Its so much I don't know where to start, I've lost countless years of rest, and I've tried to block out all that happened but it's impossible to do so. her older children walked away not caring if she lived or died and I'm the one stayed around trying to help her in a lot of bad situations and all she ever had are excuses! she don't have any remorse for what she did and she never apologized for any of it. I've always tried to help her and the more I help her the worst she treat me to This very day. she's just as evil as she ever been and I wanted to call Steve wilkos but I know she want answers any of his questions or anyone's questions and she hates white people! She hates anyone who try to tell her what she's did it doing wrong. she never thought much of authority figures, justice systems or laws. the way we had to live do to her not caring, are very sad. She had 1 teen who attempt to jump from a 9th floor project building, and another teen got scared telling her that she think the other teen was going to jump out the window and all she said was she didn't care and she made no attempts to try to prevent it from happening, she continued doing what she was doing and that probably was watching one life to live or all my children or general hospital at that time. This is a drop in the bucket of my childhood my mother was a bad parent and still pure evil to this day..she deserve to burn in hell. & some people don't deserve to bring kids into the world..Going to tell you some of what happened in my life as a child and I'm still effected by it today. We were homeless as a child do to poor choices the lady who birth me , she never showed love for her children. I've had a number of conversations/ disagreements with her about how she failed me as a child and her excuses are always telling me it's my fault. she's a very cold hearted monster, with no heart or soul whatsoever. I am the youngest born with SMA ( spinal muscular atrophy) She never been supportive in any situations. She had her older kids saying negative things making , one constantly calling me cripple on different occasions and the lady that birth me smirk as if it was funny. She never cared ever and I got a brother who suffer from autism, she never got him the help he needed. she beat and abused him a lot calling him names like crazy or profanity names very often. She should've given me & him up for adoption because from the age 8, I believe we became homeless hungry going from house to house then vacant apartment to vacant apartments in the projects. I remember she would ask people to borrow money when she had no income to pay it back, sometimes she borrow $15 , 10, or 5, whatever people could afford to give. I remember she were only able to borrow $5 this one time and she bought a pack of cigarettes that cost about $3.35 and this had to be around 1985. I remember asking her to buy some food and she said I am buying me some cigarette because if I buy food once the food gone then what. I said we can't eat cigarettes. she bought the cigarette, then she use the rest which was about $1.75 left to buy some penny candy. she said eat some candy to kill the hungry pain. My brother who suffer from autism , she beat on him a lot she handcuffed him to the chair with handcuffs that my dad son with his ex wife given her, he worked as a security at that time. she wouldn't get him on medication and when she did she trashed a lot of the medication saying she not giving him that. I went to school first grade and I missed 2nd 3rd and 4th grade do to her not being in her business like she should've. she point a finger at everyone but don't accept responsibility for her own action rite now today.I told her that a step brother molested me at age 5 and she said I didn't tell her and I said the other grown ups made me think it was my fault and she told me it's my fault for not telling her. She treat me so bad do to my disability and I'm the only one who try to help help but never again because she don't exist to me. when I did get in school in 5th grade I act out so badly do to what I was going through with and she sat around waiting on people to give. i Remember one of my step brother ask her to watch his sick child about age 3, he had brain tumors, she told me she whip him because he doing all that crying and he was to old to be in pampers. I told her he was sick she didn't care. She is pure evil. one of my other brothers gmjpin the gang living in the projects and he ask her to put him in a different school he was about 14, she said no because he shouldn't be hanging with gangs but that was all he knew because we grew up in that hood. He really had no choice but to join or get picked on but the school was a few blocks away in the rival gang turf. I told her that her old neighbor tried to molest me and I didn't tell her and I told her I shouldn't been outside 2 and 3 am and sleeping in vacant apartments just me in my autism bother most time because she wasn't there. she make up a million excuses. she told it's old stuff I'm bringing up and to get over it. she don't understand the scares are real deep and to make it worst she won't apologize she don't think she's wrong. I told her I was a 8 year old child staying in vacant apartments hungry many days.Has no soap no deodorant no nothing. this story so long so deep and it can go on forever. my dad had custody of him and his ex wife kids and he and they got beat and abused , one of his daughters told that our dad sisters would make them pull they panties down then sniff between they legs to see how they smelled and smirking making fun of and laughing. I plan to write a book and I wish it could be a movie bcuz the world definitely need to know.
Becuz they were never a real parent in the first place
My mother says that she only hit us with a belt when we needed it. This is the same woman who never took me to change my ADHD medication and didn't take me to the dentist since I was 4. This is also the same woman who tried to take my kids then say she didn't have that intention even though she specifically asked how to get custody of them.
Thank you so much for the way you explained this. It has helped a lot
You're very welcome! I'm pleased to hear that it has assisted you.
Thankyou, I appreciate your clear communication and calm delivery.
You are so welcome. Thank you for your kind words.
Because my mom abanonded me at age 6 (she left because my dad was abusive, but then didn't rescue me from him) I ended up growing up with my abusive dad.... and his abusive mom. She was probably why he was abusive. So now I have 2 of them. And the abuse wasn't just emotional and physical, it was also sexual. My dad would do things, and my grandma would tell me it was my fault, that I seduced him. So not only was I abused, I was told it was my fault I was abused, that I had "asked for it". I don't know where to categorize my mom. She knew what was going on. She knew both my dad and grandma were abusive. She knew that by leaving me, I would be stuck with both of them. But she never came back to rescue me. Instead she waited until I was all grown up, moved out on my own, and then popped back into my life.... only to tell me to move back in with my dad so I could cook, clean and basically be his wife all over again.
Sorry
I'm so sorry, life is not fair. My husband was a scapegoat, the abuse continues. Family members don't talk, the mom is 85, her time is limited. Narcissism...God I hate it.
This is so awful...im so sorry you had to experience this. Sending you love and prayers for continued healing 🙏🏽
Wow, I’m truly so very sorry. Evil exists! Your mother is a horrible human being for leaving you there like that, especially because you mentioned she knew they were abusive. I wish you were rescued:(
I hope you find lots of love and healing.
Oh god that is so freaking sick! 🤢
So sorry you went through this crap and still are! 😢😮
Wishing your life to be so much better. Peace ☮️ be upon you. ❤
Very helpful information thank you so much for sharing ❤🎉😊
Hello @sylviagierasimczuk9556, I'm glad it was helpful. Thank you for your comment.
in my case it was gaslighting me and that's because my father is a narcissist of course I didn't know anything about narcissism or that he was even a narcissist until I was almost 50 years old and had relationship problems with a guy who is a narcissist that didn't end very well either but that was 8 1/2 years ago thankfully
Because of that relationship I was able to start seeing clearly and learning about narcissism and understanding why the behaviors were so strange and it was so familiar and then I got to realize that it was reminiscent of my relationship with my dad
At which time I got pretty angry and started blowing up my father's phone with text messages about all the stuff that I never confronted him on and got that off my chest this went on for about two years straight whenever the mood struck me
I feel a lot better now
Thank you Oliver!
You are welcome. Thank you for your comment.
Wish I could afford to move out
They CANNOT face what They Have DONE… GUILT=DEATH
Thank you
You're welcome.
Thank you❤
You are welcome. Thank you for your feedback, and keep sharing your thought-provoking quotes.
Very helpful, thanks
I'm glad it was helpful!
I guess people deny what happened because they see it different and if they also love, they will feel attacked by the memory that you are exposing as a predatory content to them.
In their minds they are the parents. They have lots of beliefs, values about this activity to honor (like they did in the past) and the overwhelming feeling of. Non grateful adult child is enough for them to not even listen very well what you are telling.
They may wonder what you might be looking for if not to punish them? And in their memories things happened differently but the other is not open to hear either - and eventually their curiosity of why the other is bringing all of this after all?
Rings of Power was a failure as an adaptation from LOTR, but it succeeded in demonstrating Modern Narcissism and Manipulation with the Performance of the Sauron actor. World Class, really, though most won't see it.
Because children can be delusional.
💚❤💙🥰 thank you
You are welcome, @puglife6616.
Wowwww... are describe my mom to a T.
It is unlikely to occur to a parent like this that how they respond is the same or very similar to how other abusive parents behave when they are unable to face reality. Most likely, they are carry too much pain and need to defend against it at all costs to be able to keep it together.
I created this one after - ruclips.net/video/BPwCFoUgSyQ/видео.html
Whst about when they continue to blame shift snd itchiness further trauma to me
Hello, i'm sorry but I don't understand your question. Please ask again.
1. walk away
2. no contact
3. grey rock
Because the abuse goes against the mental image the have of themselves ie being a perfect parent.
Well said. This is usually the case.
Abuse, blaming, lying, and denying are all part of a nasty personality.
IMO, there are people who should never be allowed to have children. You need to have a driver's license if you want to drive a car, but if you're a psychopath or similar, you can breed like a rabbit with wild abandon, and nobody cares until after the damage is done. Society is full of shit.
I think a lot of Religious Families are dysfunctional! I'm so glad i have a normal family! I feel bad for the people who have broken families!
Yes, that's true @HeyThatsAlex658. I'm pleased to hear you had a normal family.
because abuse,like any negative ego pattern, is unconscious
Hello @ryansergas2776, I agree that it is unconscious. However, if this was the only element - assuming that this is what you are implying - a parent would still be able to show empathy and be understanding.
They would know that they, like a lot of people, behave in ways that are unconscious, while also realising that they were responsible for how they behaved. Therefore, when a parent denies what happened and doesn’t show empathy or understanding, there are other elements involved.
It could of been different 😂😂😂, it could of been worst
Some parents spoil their kids.
And some abuse their kids.
These people need Jesus and Truth
I need my Jesus
Go to Jesus. He will heal you! Prayer and faith are very effective.
BUT…They Were VICTIMS ThemSelves…
Yes, that is usually the case. The abuse is then passed down until someone draws the line and works through their inner wounds.
Perhaps because the never forgiving adult child builds a bank of invented memories - a mix of real and invented wrongdoings of the hated parent. This bank of invented memories has tremendous value to them as an adult person, over time they add more invented memories to it. It becomes like a treasure chest, to which they reach every time to take out 'evidence' that explains and justifies why they are the dysfunctional, sad, hateful, unable to feel empathy, unforgiving, cruel to the aging parent, dismissive, dehumanizing person they have become as an adult. This arsenal of invented memories helps the unforgiving adult child never to grow up, to remain a child inside, to be unable to understand they they are not the ideal person, much like their parent was not, and is not ideal, as none of us is an angel. Lack of humility, respect, grace, courtesy, and much arrogance, unthankfulness, feeling sorry for themselves, feeling superior to the parent, unwillingness to reconcile or discuss anything, no matter how much the parent may apologize. Hiding from themselves, not willing to see the truth. Sick. Tragic. Sad.
Sick. Tragic. Sad.
And completely invented horseshit by you.
Sick bastard.
Perfect video. Concise and perfect for sending to my Mother who does this on the daily for 40 years. Gods bless you. ❤️❤️❤️🫂❤️❤️❤️🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
Thank your for your feedback. I wish you the best :D.
@@oliverjrcooper Thank you for this video and tour time and effort. Big love from Nova Scotia, 🫂🥲❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
You are very welcome. Keep up the good work.
@@oliverjrcooper Promise. You, too! You are changing lives. 👑❤️🫂
Thank you
You're very welcome, @islamicchannel899.