Those 5160REF they're using for LCR's might be the best in-wall speakers on the market. They rival a box speaker in terms of frequency response and the dispersion is nothing like I've heard before - absolutely amazing!!
TheSmalderman Triad do excellent flagship in-wall's too, one's as good as the Kef reference in-wall's. And the new Perlisten S7i-C in-wall's are overall even better than both!! The only current THX Dominus certified in-wall speakers available to buy. You do need good subwoofers (for music and of course movies) when using in-wall's as their lower bass under 70hz isn't the best. But anyway Kef Reference in-wall's not the best but still excellent in-wall's.
This is a insane room. Absolutely love it. Damn the reference speakers are so gorgeous. Vision as in projectors, TV, amps receivers etc will always evolve and upgrade change with time. But the sound system his put in is set for life.
OMG this is really one of a kind room. Wooow, you guys are really one of the coolest/best home cinema designers in the world. Really, hats off to you guys. Amazing!
That was pretty entertaining to watch, loved the setup and learnt a little bit about design principles. That star ceiling looked amazing in the clips you showed. Thanks for the video!
i game on 150" screen (sitting at 15ft) 5.3.4 speaker set up... very nice room. I do have one tip for the channel: include the dimensions of the theaters you are in please.
You gotta share your setup! Would love to see it! This theater room in the video is 12.5 feet wide, 25 feet deep, 9 feet high on the edge, 10.5 feet high in the middle.
@@Tearial311 thanks for sharing - your room is awesome. I really like the brick and the linear panels! You did a great job on the color choices too. Gaming isn't serious when playing on a projector, but for blowing off some steam, its an absolute blast!
Jaguar - back boxes are not needed for any KEF speaker (or really any speaker for that matter!). The cavity in the wall acts as the back box, allowing the highest low frequency output possible. Just throw in some basic pink stuff insulation without the paper face on it into the wall and you’ll have a perfect speaker cabinet for a KEF in wall!
Be sure to check out our video on how to install in-wall & in-ceiling speakers - ruclips.net/video/wqXOwklWHnU/видео.html and feel free to chat with us on our website if you need help!
Love the home theatre design... Even though not a fan of multi screens but this ht is well thought out... Kudos to the owner for putting a lot of thought into the ht...
Great point. This computer was put together quite a while ago and the homeowner was waiting for the new 40x series to upgrade. The new 4090 is now out and is the ideal solution that you would use today with it.
Haha! You have no idea how right you are! The computer was installed at the height of the extreme graphic card shortage during the pandemic, and even that tiny 3060ti was almost impossible to get. 3070 and higher were completely impossible. A 4090 is coming soon as a much wanted upgrade!
This is a fabulous video. I really like how you broke down the design principles. So if I understand it correctly, if I wanted to do a theater like this now, I should do three 16:9 screens all with the same diagonal using the LS800 short throw projector?
Question: what is the reason for surrounds being so high? I understand there are multiple rows and in order to avoid obstacles like humans you might need to raise it up but twitter seem to be higher than ear level of a person sitting at the back. If it was lowered to the level of persons ear sitting at the rear couch would it sound worse?
Great question. For most theaters, we recommend the tweeters be just over ear level, which is usually around 50" above the floor or riser level. However, in most theater rooms this puts the tweeters towards the bottom of the screen. In this particular room, because of the riser, couches and 16:9 screen, the middle of the screen is quite a bit higher than the 50". If you want the sounds coming from the center of the screen, then you would try to put them in the center. For most speakers this does not work because the tweeter is too high and the listeners are off axis and miss some of the higher frequencies. Because these particular speakers have the UniQ driver with 160 degree dispersion in all directions, they can sit higher with no off axis degradation to the listener. So these were place approximately in the center of the screen and then matched across the rest of the bed layer. FYI that if you use the free home theater design tool at www.audioadvice.com, we actually have the software do all of the real time calculations and you will see that in the vast majority of cases the tweeters area lower than in this particular theater, so your question is a great one.
WhitrCrowUK - the speakers would not sound worse being at ear level, but there would be a lot of obstacles in the way such as other people, the bar, etc. This is the big advantage to UniQ as Audio Advice mentions. Any speaker can be lifted higher so that no matter who is in the room with you, every ear has a direct shot to the high frequency driver of every speaker. This all works because of the incredible off axis response of the UniQ driver. The additional bonus is that having the sides and rears higher really creates an even more immersive experience that feels even more lifelike. It’s really amazing!
@@athx0983 well I understand now it was to keep all speakers on same plane which is important and since behind the screen speakers been used this forces higher position of surrounds. In terms of Uniq there isn’t significant drop in spl off axis indeed. The only downside I would imagine is with narrower angle between Atmos and other speakers leading to slightly worse separation - but all depends on ceiling height but only a problem in rooms with low ceilings.
Just curious, without any installation/reno costs at all, how much this system cost? No doubt insanely expensive. Real curious how much the “all in” cost was
Here is a link to the written article that has the gear listed. www.audioadvice.com/videos-reviews/home-theater-tour-the-ultimate-home-theater-gaming-setup Thanks for watching
Your explanation and rationalization of the sound is quite simplistic. It sounds like you have fallen for KEF marketing propaganda. Good sound is all about compromises (no such thing as perfect sound). Yes it is important to have good driver alignment, but it is far more important to have excellent time alignment. Those all in one drivers are often time and material compromised to get tweeter in that location. If you can hear a distinct source from separate drivers from let's say 6' away (closest speaker) then there is a fundamental issue with the speaker design.
We agree that sound does require compromises and trade-offs. This theater was so much fun and if we had time, we could have shot a 1 hour video talking about the trade-offs, etc. In these new KEF speakers, the performance of the material and driver is truly terrific. It measures incredible in terms of smooth frequency response both on axis and off axis. So they have done a terrific job with these speakers. But to your point, there are always tradeoffs. One key tradeoff of having high off axis dispersion is that you have more sound bouncing off of the walls and other surfaces so you have to be very thoughtful about acoustic treatment. Whereas there are other great speakers that have much more narrow dispersion that have less reflections. Thanks for chiming in with the trade-off point which is always a good one.
UniQ is the time alignment solution. It just so happens that to get the best time alignment, aligning the HF with the MF, to where the both have the same acoustic center, allowed for the best result. That’s what’s different in a UniQ driver vs any other version of a concentric or coaxial design. No person can actually pick out the different source of sound from a tweeter and a midrange a few inches apart. But that does mean that the drivers are not working together, so issues arise, generating a smaller sweet spot and limited off axis response. The result is a sound that doesn’t feel quite as real unless you’re in that exact sweet spot. What’s really cool is the continued research into psychoacoustics that is allowing us to discover how humans really hear, and how we determine a sound to be either real, or played back, and these findings help us develop every new version of UniQ!
@@athx0983 they may have the same acoustic centre but at what cost? Looking at the GIF on the KEF website you can clearly see that the tweeter is on the axial centreline but, is set back from the cone mid point which will alter time alignment. But that is not the biggest issue by far I have with the driver... In order for the tweeter to reside in the centre of the mid cone it needs to be stationary (otherwise it would add significant moving mass to the mid which is bad, and vary the tweeter distance from the listener). Which in turn means that the mid cone design is compromised. It doesn't have a domed dust cap or wave guide most mids use. That cap plays an important role in the driver construction. Not only does it add to the rigidity of the driver (kind of important if you are worried about distortion) but it also forms a part of the sound wave. By the tweeter staying stationary that means the volume and shape of the mid cone become variable. Not to mention that tweeter has a horrible looking restrictive frame around it to probably aid mounting. On top of which the mid cone moving acts as a variable wave guide for the tweeter, surely that doesn't make for smooth frequency response. It is compromise after compromise to implement a design that has been tried before and gone away from. To what benefit? None provided you keep the tweeter close enough to the mid, the wave lengths are not going to cause lobing issues. The design also severely limits the size of the tweeter cone, before you even contemplate the issues caused by the frame over it. What is that doing for sound dispersion? Nothing good I bet. I have yet to see any speaker that doesn't suffer greatly once far enough off axis and I don't believe there is anything special about these that is suddenly going to defy physics and produce brilliant massively off axis response while being equally good all the way back to on axis. Before I resorted to gimmicks I would make frames that sat on the ceiling that point the whole speaker towards the general seating area to give the speaker half of a chance of sounding alright. OK it may not be everyone's cup of tea, but if ultimate sound is the goal it is a little price to pay.
Great question. Only the front screen is acoustical transparent with the speakers behind it. The other two screens are flat on the wall which was required by the room dimensions and build. If you were building from scratch you might do all three acoustically transparent.
Here is a link to most of the gear used www.audioadvice.com/videos-reviews/home-theater-tour-the-ultimate-home-theater-gaming-setup. Thanks for watching
this came so close to hitting the mark but died the moment it was a 3060. Theres so many high end things in this theater of absolute premium quality then they bought the budget of all the 30 series cards? it hurts.
The homeowner upgrades things all the time and that was the top of the line card when he built the PC, we are sure he will upgrade soon. Thanks for watching
@@AudioAdvice i really dont wanna nitpick because even replying at this point feels rude because it is a nice and creative setup. I would just like to say the 3060 card released in Feb 2021 as to where all it's higher end 30 series cards (3070, 3080, & 3090) released a few months earlier in september 2020. The 3060 was the kind of "Budget version" released later. As a Home theater enthusiast this room looks like an absolute home run but as a PC gamer whose been building PCs for 20 years and owns a 3080 I recognize 4k with high framerate is impossible with this setup without manually dropping all the in game graphics settings. Even my friends with 3090s struggle to maintain 4k gaming on ultra settings without fps drops. At this point i'm not even trying to rag on the system i just think it's important to know for other consumers a $400 3060 is not a good fit for this. It's kinda like building a ferrari from scratch sparing no expense then throwing a prius motor in it.
@@flim-flammington That time was the middle of the pandemic. The 3060 was pretty much all you could get at the time if you could get anything. He mentioned it in the video that you would do a 4090 today (and implied that was what the room was getting upgraded to). So I think that is why.
My kids LOVE gaming on the big screen in the theater that Audio Advice designed and installed for us!
That is awesome! Time to add two more screens? 😊
That’s fantastic! Now, how on earth do you get them out? 😆
Those 5160REF they're using for LCR's might be the best in-wall speakers on the market. They rival a box speaker in terms of frequency response and the dispersion is nothing like I've heard before - absolutely amazing!!
They really are incredible speakers. Thanks for watching!
TheSmalderman Triad do excellent flagship in-wall's too, one's as good as the Kef reference in-wall's. And the new Perlisten S7i-C in-wall's are overall even better than both!! The only current THX Dominus certified in-wall speakers available to buy.
You do need good subwoofers (for music and of course movies) when using in-wall's as their lower bass under 70hz isn't the best. But anyway Kef Reference in-wall's not the best but still excellent in-wall's.
Three screens as a joke why not 4 screens? Please tell me!
Quite an intro! Looks like we’re seeing a setup from a galaxy far far away!
Yes! Thanks for watching!
Another great video from Audio Advice. I really love these home theater tours. The enthusiasm is contagious 👌🏻😃🤓
Thanks so much! We appreciate the support :)
This is a insane room. Absolutely love it. Damn the reference speakers are so gorgeous. Vision as in projectors, TV, amps receivers etc will always evolve and upgrade change with time. But the sound system his put in is set for life.
We felt the same. Glad you liked it.
This is an amazing theater. Love the star ceiling and the DIY aspect. Finishing my theater framing up right now
Good luck with your theater. If we can be helpful in anyway, give us a call. We love theater design!
That's awesome,! Be sure to reach out to us on the website if you need any help - thanks for watching!
I’m already working with Nick on my room design. He’s been super helpful
I only use Mac!
Wow - just wow! I'm not a gamer, but perhaps I need to rethink that. Thanks for an awesome video!
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching!
Excellent setup
Thanks. This was super fun to shoot and talk about design for.
OMG this is really one of a kind room. Wooow, you guys are really one of the coolest/best home cinema designers in the world. Really, hats off to you guys. Amazing!
Thanks so much, we appreciate your comments
That was pretty entertaining to watch, loved the setup and learnt a little bit about design principles. That star ceiling looked amazing in the clips you showed. Thanks for the video!
Thanks for watching!
Looks like we're in for a treat 🤩
Oh yes!
Super excited for this!! Let's gooo! 🎮
Thanks for joining!
i game on 150" screen (sitting at 15ft) 5.3.4 speaker set up... very nice room. I do have one tip for the channel: include the dimensions of the theaters you are in please.
You gotta share your setup! Would love to see it! This theater room in the video is 12.5 feet wide, 25 feet deep, 9 feet high on the edge, 10.5 feet high in the middle.
Great point. I almost always cover the dimensions in the video but did not in this one. So good catch. This one is 12.5' by 20'.
@@athx0983 I can email them
@@athx0983 uploaded a video of my setup
@@Tearial311 thanks for sharing - your room is awesome. I really like the brick and the linear panels! You did a great job on the color choices too. Gaming isn't serious when playing on a projector, but for blowing off some steam, its an absolute blast!
Another great video .
Thanks .
Lots of needed information .
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching!
Thanks for adding a max gaming setup to the videos. So cool. Scott used the term "immersive". Big time!
Glad you liked it! Thanks for watching!
This one is so cool!!
Oh yes! Thanks
Yaaaas, I hope this goes over proper install for these in-walls, finding info is so hard!
Specifically, should I be building backer boxes for any of this, or just stuff it in a wall and cross my fingers
Jaguar - back boxes are not needed for any KEF speaker (or really any speaker for that matter!). The cavity in the wall acts as the back box, allowing the highest low frequency output possible. Just throw in some basic pink stuff insulation without the paper face on it into the wall and you’ll have a perfect speaker cabinet for a KEF in wall!
Be sure to check out our video on how to install in-wall & in-ceiling speakers - ruclips.net/video/wqXOwklWHnU/видео.html and feel free to chat with us on our website if you need help!
Love the home theatre design... Even though not a fan of multi screens but this ht is well thought out... Kudos to the owner for putting a lot of thought into the ht...
Thank you for sharing. Yes, he certainly did put a lot of work and thought into it.
Mind Blown! I'll bet playing Grand Turismo would be spectacular in that room.
It is an incredible room! Thanks for watching!
Love gaming in my theater.
🎮 Thanks for watching!
This is an unbelievable room! How incredible for the gaming theater!
Thanks so much. Yes it should be a ton of fun for gaming and movies
Absolutely incredible! I love gaming on my home theater, but this takes it to another level.
Thanks for watching!
Absolutely love these home theatre tour videos. Keep them coming!
Will do! Thanks for watching 😊
Amazing setup. But an RTX3060 ($329 MSRP) with 3 x Kef Ci5160REF ($10k each) seems a bit unbalanced. Upgrade to at least a RTX 3090.
Great point. This computer was put together quite a while ago and the homeowner was waiting for the new 40x series to upgrade. The new 4090 is now out and is the ideal solution that you would use today with it.
Haha! You have no idea how right you are! The computer was installed at the height of the extreme graphic card shortage during the pandemic, and even that tiny 3060ti was almost impossible to get. 3070 and higher were completely impossible. A 4090 is coming soon as a much wanted upgrade!
Wow this looks Great!
Thanks!!! Lots of fun and hard work went into it!
Thanks for watching!
Can't wait!
Thanks for watching!
cool video! now, I need ideas for a VR gaming room, for use with groups of teens or adults, where everyone can see what's in the headset.
Go!
Glad you enjoyed it
love your videos and would like to see more videos based on living room setups in an open space for an HT system
Thanks for watching, Daryl! We’ll see what we can work up for you!
WOW! THIS IS AMAZING! OMG!
Thank you so much!
Could you make a video talking about an AV Rack? What should I be looking for?
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This is a fabulous video. I really like how you broke down the design principles. So if I understand it correctly, if I wanted to do a theater like this now, I should do three 16:9 screens all with the same diagonal using the LS800 short throw projector?
Thanks for the positive feedback. You nailed it. We have a full review on the LS800 on our site as well.
Is 13 X 25 considered a large room for a home theater? Thank you. Your videos are always so informative and helpful!
We would call that a medium sized room for a theater. It is a comfortable size for a 2 row theater with 3 chairs per row. Thanks for watching!
@@AudioAdvice thank you. Do you recommend the Sonos sub Gen 3 or the sub mini? For that sized room?
@@mdwitt714 You'll want sub gen three for that size room.
Been wanting to say this for a while, Scott is really cute.
We knew you'd like the view in this video :-) Hopefully you didn't miss the three screens in the background 😀
❤j’adore le concept. Je suis en France et merci de nous partager vos idées 😊
Thanks for watching!
Brilliant!
Thanks!
😮 So cool!!!
Thanks for watching!
looks sweet!
Be sure to tune in! It's incredible!
Good,this is a modern theter
We actually have a couple more modern theaters that we will be releasing over the next 60 days--so be on the lookout!
It's beautiful! Thanks for watching!
Question: what is the reason for surrounds being so high? I understand there are multiple rows and in order to avoid obstacles like humans you might need to raise it up but twitter seem to be higher than ear level of a person sitting at the back. If it was lowered to the level of persons ear sitting at the rear couch would it sound worse?
Great question. For most theaters, we recommend the tweeters be just over ear level, which is usually around 50" above the floor or riser level. However, in most theater rooms this puts the tweeters towards the bottom of the screen. In this particular room, because of the riser, couches and 16:9 screen, the middle of the screen is quite a bit higher than the 50". If you want the sounds coming from the center of the screen, then you would try to put them in the center. For most speakers this does not work because the tweeter is too high and the listeners are off axis and miss some of the higher frequencies. Because these particular speakers have the UniQ driver with 160 degree dispersion in all directions, they can sit higher with no off axis degradation to the listener. So these were place approximately in the center of the screen and then matched across the rest of the bed layer. FYI that if you use the free home theater design tool at www.audioadvice.com, we actually have the software do all of the real time calculations and you will see that in the vast majority of cases the tweeters area lower than in this particular theater, so your question is a great one.
WhitrCrowUK - the speakers would not sound worse being at ear level, but there would be a lot of obstacles in the way such as other people, the bar, etc. This is the big advantage to UniQ as Audio Advice mentions. Any speaker can be lifted higher so that no matter who is in the room with you, every ear has a direct shot to the high frequency driver of every speaker. This all works because of the incredible off axis response of the UniQ driver. The additional bonus is that having the sides and rears higher really creates an even more immersive experience that feels even more lifelike. It’s really amazing!
@@athx0983 well I understand now it was to keep all speakers on same plane which is important and since behind the screen speakers been used this forces higher position of surrounds. In terms of Uniq there isn’t significant drop in spl off axis indeed.
The only downside I would imagine is with narrower angle between Atmos and other speakers leading to slightly worse separation - but all depends on ceiling height but only a problem in rooms with low ceilings.
Just curious, without any installation/reno costs at all, how much this system cost? No doubt insanely expensive. Real curious how much the “all in” cost was
Here is a link to the written article that has the gear listed. www.audioadvice.com/videos-reviews/home-theater-tour-the-ultimate-home-theater-gaming-setup Thanks for watching
Incredible! Is it a 6 figure cost for this setup?
Thanks very much. The video links to a written article that lists most of the gear.
Which hdmi cable is best right now to connect a PS5 to an 8k tv?
If it is a short run anything that meets the spec should be ok. Longer runs over 2m get trickier
Incredible!
Thanks for watching!
Your explanation and rationalization of the sound is quite simplistic. It sounds like you have fallen for KEF marketing propaganda. Good sound is all about compromises (no such thing as perfect sound). Yes it is important to have good driver alignment, but it is far more important to have excellent time alignment. Those all in one drivers are often time and material compromised to get tweeter in that location. If you can hear a distinct source from separate drivers from let's say 6' away (closest speaker) then there is a fundamental issue with the speaker design.
We agree that sound does require compromises and trade-offs. This theater was so much fun and if we had time, we could have shot a 1 hour video talking about the trade-offs, etc. In these new KEF speakers, the performance of the material and driver is truly terrific. It measures incredible in terms of smooth frequency response both on axis and off axis. So they have done a terrific job with these speakers. But to your point, there are always tradeoffs. One key tradeoff of having high off axis dispersion is that you have more sound bouncing off of the walls and other surfaces so you have to be very thoughtful about acoustic treatment. Whereas there are other great speakers that have much more narrow dispersion that have less reflections. Thanks for chiming in with the trade-off point which is always a good one.
UniQ is the time alignment solution. It just so happens that to get the best time alignment, aligning the HF with the MF, to where the both have the same acoustic center, allowed for the best result. That’s what’s different in a UniQ driver vs any other version of a concentric or coaxial design. No person can actually pick out the different source of sound from a tweeter and a midrange a few inches apart. But that does mean that the drivers are not working together, so issues arise, generating a smaller sweet spot and limited off axis response. The result is a sound that doesn’t feel quite as real unless you’re in that exact sweet spot. What’s really cool is the continued research into psychoacoustics that is allowing us to discover how humans really hear, and how we determine a sound to be either real, or played back, and these findings help us develop every new version of UniQ!
@@athx0983 they may have the same acoustic centre but at what cost? Looking at the GIF on the KEF website you can clearly see that the tweeter is on the axial centreline but, is set back from the cone mid point which will alter time alignment. But that is not the biggest issue by far I have with the driver... In order for the tweeter to reside in the centre of the mid cone it needs to be stationary (otherwise it would add significant moving mass to the mid which is bad, and vary the tweeter distance from the listener). Which in turn means that the mid cone design is compromised. It doesn't have a domed dust cap or wave guide most mids use. That cap plays an important role in the driver construction. Not only does it add to the rigidity of the driver (kind of important if you are worried about distortion) but it also forms a part of the sound wave. By the tweeter staying stationary that means the volume and shape of the mid cone become variable.
Not to mention that tweeter has a horrible looking restrictive frame around it to probably aid mounting. On top of which the mid cone moving acts as a variable wave guide for the tweeter, surely that doesn't make for smooth frequency response. It is compromise after compromise to implement a design that has been tried before and gone away from. To what benefit? None provided you keep the tweeter close enough to the mid, the wave lengths are not going to cause lobing issues.
The design also severely limits the size of the tweeter cone, before you even contemplate the issues caused by the frame over it. What is that doing for sound dispersion? Nothing good I bet. I have yet to see any speaker that doesn't suffer greatly once far enough off axis and I don't believe there is anything special about these that is suddenly going to defy physics and produce brilliant massively off axis response while being equally good all the way back to on axis. Before I resorted to gimmicks I would make frames that sat on the ceiling that point the whole speaker towards the general seating area to give the speaker half of a chance of sounding alright. OK it may not be everyone's cup of tea, but if ultimate sound is the goal it is a little price to pay.
Looking at getting the ci3160rl. Will meta be coming to them soon? Or are there any other speakers that will be getting meta soon?
We do not have any inside knowledge on that, sorry.
Awesome
Yes, it is quite the theater. Thanks for watching
Are all three screens at screens ?
Great question. Only the front screen is acoustical transparent with the speakers behind it. The other two screens are flat on the wall which was required by the room dimensions and build. If you were building from scratch you might do all three acoustically transparent.
I wonder how much that gaming room cost. How much of an investment was that?
Here is a link to most of the gear used www.audioadvice.com/videos-reviews/home-theater-tour-the-ultimate-home-theater-gaming-setup. Thanks for watching
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this came so close to hitting the mark but died the moment it was a 3060. Theres so many high end things in this theater of absolute premium quality then they bought the budget of all the 30 series cards? it hurts.
The homeowner upgrades things all the time and that was the top of the line card when he built the PC, we are sure he will upgrade soon. Thanks for watching
@@AudioAdvice i really dont wanna nitpick because even replying at this point feels rude because it is a nice and creative setup. I would just like to say the 3060 card released in Feb 2021 as to where all it's higher end 30 series cards (3070, 3080, & 3090) released a few months earlier in september 2020. The 3060 was the kind of "Budget version" released later. As a Home theater enthusiast this room looks like an absolute home run but as a PC gamer whose been building PCs for 20 years and owns a 3080 I recognize 4k with high framerate is impossible with this setup without manually dropping all the in game graphics settings. Even my friends with 3090s struggle to maintain 4k gaming on ultra settings without fps drops. At this point i'm not even trying to rag on the system i just think it's important to know for other consumers a $400 3060 is not a good fit for this. It's kinda like building a ferrari from scratch sparing no expense then throwing a prius motor in it.
@@flim-flammington That time was the middle of the pandemic. The 3060 was pretty much all you could get at the time if you could get anything. He mentioned it in the video that you would do a 4090 today (and implied that was what the room was getting upgraded to). So I think that is why.
Sorry, but this is NOT reference caliber! Reference caliber is the only way to go
laggy and delay projector. Impossible for gaming
No gamer worth their salt would game on a projector. The input lag has to be atrocious.
It is actually decent on those particular Epson short throws