Casual only map would work but the number 1 rule of CSGO maps nowadays are that it needs to be very bright with lots of details. That could destroy the notion of the map.
"We played a competitive game on the map de_foption, a map from ye olden days of Counter Strike. It has 3 bomb sites. Should maps nowadays have 3 bomb sites? ...Noooo!"
if I'm not mistaken, back in the early days of csgo, there were unused default t-side voice lines for bots, such as "I'm going to plant the bomb at bombsite c", just in case a map needed that
this video just made me realize i was playing this map (remembering vaguely, some bits and pieces , mostly bombsites) back in the the days of old internet caffes in belgrade, serbia (hometown) when we as kids used to play cs
It makes me sad that new players will have no real incentive to lan just because it’s become so much more of a nuisance and it just makes more sense to play online at your own home. I will always miss those days
I remember playing this map as well in my favorite Cyber Cafe, back in 2005 or so. But very briefly. Nobody believed when I said there was a map with 3 bombsites xD
I think it would just make T's completely OP, maybe even more than Hostage Gamemode. Think of this: you play a 5v5 on a three bombsite map and usually as a CT, you need to: A: Pick and gamble a site with your team with at least 4 players but that will most likely result in the enemy team just choosing any of the other sites, and rush with all 5 players and forcing you to play retakes B. Scatter and let yourselves be killed off one by one. This is a terrible idea and the only way I could see this would be balanced is if we had some *abilities* or teleports, greater bomb countdown time or even stronger weapons and/or utility that would be available for the CTs.
Watching this channel blow up in these past few weeks and months has been so damn cool. Seeing the depth that each video goes to on its respective topic or direction of focus, your passion and love for entertainment, and creative production are so clear. The evolution that you yourself have been going through as you grow and learn and interact and create is just astounding. I love Counter Strike, and it's been a part of me for a long time now. As with everything in life, interest and attention to CS have waxed and waned, and I can confidently say that watching your videos has started to pull me back into the game, into the wild world that is the CS community. Thanks for doing all of what you do my friend, and cheers to everyone else that appreciates everything about this and the community.
I started CS with 1.5 in LAN I had no idea about this older map! Thanks for the video! Back then with my friend we would play 1.6 online, and 1.5 in LAN, and what I loved most about it other than trying out my own custom maps, was when we looked for war on irc people were open to play unofficial maps, such as de_sunny which was awesome in gldsrc engine! I started making a remake but couldn't really make the rotation routes work within CSGO movements speed :( But when it comes to 3 bombsite maps, I do have 1 great memory. There is this de_dust2 remake on CSS that has a dust2 extended theme but it actually has bombsite C between A and B in the back of CT spawn, it connects to A, B backsite and shortmid. Lots of fun in deathmatch, although i didn't try it in competitive setting much.
Am I the only one that noticed the vault doors 13 and 15 in noption and foption, respectively? These are an interesting reference to the original Fallout game from 1997
I just assumed this was the part of the half life level at the very start? After the cable car. Edit: Nvm, after seeing more than 2 seconds it's clearly not what I thought Also, the map maker worked on half life so
Just incredible work all around. Not only making me somehow care about an odd map from 20 years ago I never played, but just the editing was top notch. Keep up the amazing work!
Bombsite C in de_foption strongly reminded me of the middle bombsite in the map Haven in Valorant. It is also a third bombsite in the middle of the map with three entrances and a giant pillar in the middle. The difference is that it doesn't have that insane verticality or sliding doors. However, there is a sliding door on the map Breeze.
Yes, Both Haven and Lotus now have three sites in Valorant. B is usually under defended so you can usually plant there as an attacker more easily at the cost of being pushed by both sides.
I know it's not an official map, but the operation map Library (I think it was called?) was really cool. The entire map was a library room with twisting, maze-like paths of bookshelves, and you could shoot out sections of bookshelves to creates new lines of sight and the books themselves were easily wall-bangable. The coolest part was, aside from CT and T spawns at opposite sides of the map, the entire map was one huge bombsite. Planting right away would tell the CTs where the bomb was but give them less time to reach it, while the longer you waited to plant the worse it got for CTs to find but the harder it became to actually hold. I actually don't think this concept was done as well as it could have been but it's interesting nonetheless. I'd like to see this concept re-tried as a hostage map, with CTs getting the hostages at round start (to avoid the weird midround flipping of territory without flipping roles) while Ts are given more time to block routes through the map.
Starting with hostages nearer the middle and the hostage rescue zone on the T side is a cool idea. It doesn't make as much sense to have the hostages on CTs immediately as it removes a key part of the mode, but suppose the two teams have to fight for hostage control it would be a nice addition. Gives Ts options to either hold hostage or hold rescue zone more, while also giving CTs options regarding whether to clear rescue zone first and wrap back (clearing a clean path for hostage) vs winging it for hostage rush, then figure out how to clear rescue zone at the end.
Thank you so much for putting the music you use into the description! I really like how Enjoy your Stay sounds, I don't have to desperately search for it thanks to you! :P
That elevator really hit my nostalgia hard as a CS:S player. The only ever map I knew with an elevator was nightfever, and I had some really cool gameplay moments in the elevator Once as a T i killed the left CTs while going down and up in the elevator :D
@@n00bje i of course got killed also sometimes in or around the elevator. But you could hear quite well wenn someone was using it. Can't remember any other map using an elevator in all the years of CS:S. And I played also a lot of game modes like GG, Surf, Death Run, Zombie Mod/Escape where such Goofy mechanics could be expected
these old, complex maps with bunch of moving parts and interactive traps and tools reminds me a lot of the game intruder, a very fun pvp stealth game that hasn't seen a lot of success.
This map seems really fun!! I wonder exactly what about it actually makes it such a failure. Like ok sure it isnt competitively viable, but like, is it unfun? Could I play this with my friends like a gmod ttt map and still have a blast? I do wonder.
My nearly 23-year old memory of it: the layout was just too confusing and the map really was just too much of a labryinth. For what it's worth, there are plenty old old maps that I still don't have the layouts memorized despite playing them a ton back in the WON days (backalley, rotterdam) but I was still fond of them/they were quite popular for pubbing long ago (prodigy, storm, oilrig, highrise). My guess is that foption had the additional problem of just being way too big and open-ended with the angles, resulting in many kills that would feel unfair. At least with the other non as_ maps, the gameplay was still rather predictable like most CS maps.
Oh wow I didn't realise de_foption had a third bombsite. Last year I had the opportunity to play on a public server that focused on CS Beta maps and cs_zoption, cs_ship, as_forest and de_foption were on there. Let me say a few words about those maps. You cannot imagine how T-sided cs_zoption is, even for a hostage map - once Ts figured out the map CTs stood no chance at all, CTs would be eliminated with no or very little losses on the T side. I think at one point CTs stopped winning rounds at all and that's when people stopped voting for it. cs_ship was an unfun claustrophobic mess although I don't think it was particularly unfair. as_forest was one of the most popular maps on the server actually - people and I personally genuinely enjoyed it not only because of the novelty of the assassination game mode, the map just somehow clicked - it wasn't too CT-sided and Ts had ways to counter CTs' plays though the turrents were pretty annoying, Attea probably shouldn't have made them instant kill. I'm certain de_foption was on the map list but I remember playing it only once and finding only the A and B sites, in fact, this video is the first time I'm seeing this C bomb site. Maybe we just didn't consider that possible and never bothered to look for it? lol
Can honestly tell you I'm one of the few surviving dinosaurs that played league matches on this map. OGL, CAL, TWL, etc... Had to play Vegas too, recommend covering that one.
Also for our first ever match on this map. None of us ever played it before or practiced. We just showed up on match day and were like "WTF WE HAVE BOTH SITES SECURED HOW DID THEY PLANT??!?"
This could be a very good map for larger games with more players, especially due to the lack of cover and therefore requiring more spread out protection of bomb sites. Though I wouldn't mind more weird, unusual maps being added, forcing players to think and change their play style. Today, this could be done far better and more balanced than foption
wow, 20+ year old memory resurfaced. thanks for the nostalgia hit. funnily enough, it feels big enough and intricate enough to be a medium-ish sized battlefield 4 map (if the bombsites were flags obv).
Bro, i'm really excited to play this map with my friends. Looks like it's so difficult to defend bombs and at the same time so fun. I really like these old CS maps that has these elevators, cameras, doors, things to do besides shooting.
Played Foption in local games and it is a really complex map. Incredibly big and the rotations are a bit messy. However, what I like the most about it is that Half-Life atmosphere feel with its soundscapes.
wow... i've always wonder why the bots of CS had a voiceline talking about "C bombsite" I believe that this map is guilty now hahaha BTW, love your editing.
I remember this map, back in the days I had a CD with patches for Half-Life and Counter-Strike (you had to install them in a sequence, one after another), also it had a map pack with around 100 different maps and I loved to explore these maps, knowing that they are forgotten by everyone and not played on most servers, although they were interesting and quite decent. de_foption was one of them, I remember it quite well
Ohhhh man I remember this map!!!! A was impossible to defend, B was your best option and C wasn't great but you could hide behind the rocket and it was hilarious to run around in circles if there was only one CT left. CS was so much more experimental, rats, airport, there was one map but I can't remember the name, it had a building with hostages (not the crack house map) and it had a launcher that would throw you towards the first floor window, it was probably the most fun I've ever had playing cs.
IMHO you nailed it on the head with "it feels like a half life map for CS" ; as in, the map might be better suited to some sort of singleplayer expansion. But on the other hand I can't help but wonder what other arena-like maps from half life (two?) could be shoehorned into CS like that, and might feel like they work, at least for a brief instant?
Maps with 3 bombsites might've been actually in csgo, the evidence of that being some default faction having voice lines regarding going, planting and going to plant voice lines
I like to see how experimental some maps were back in the Beta days. It plays and feels like a completely different game. Another defuse map that is as strange as Foption is de_railroad. Would love to see a video about it :-)
CS map design philosopy. HEY BOSS! WE DID IT! OUR COMMUNITY MADE A 9/10 QUALITY MA.. :*BOOM*: executed. "No. We play 5/10 quality maps. FOREVER." "Boss what about a 6/10 quality map?" "THROW HIM IN THE PIT OF DEEEEAAATH, THEN SEND US TO MIRAGE FOR THE FOURTEENTHOUSANDTH TIME
Slight mistake at the start of the video, 1.1 was released in early 2001, with the official 1.0 release at the end of 2000 :-) In 1999 the game was still in the early beta versions and I think defuse wasn't even in the game yet until right near the end of 1999.
As Penguin started to talk about this video before he named the name, I thought “option” right away…but when I played it, it was called “fy_option”; still a bomb site map, but I played it in college during a time when we could only play with people in the school’s network. A good 20-30 of us would rotate on and off the game, trying “experimental” maps on 1 of 2 servers hosted at the school, haha: fy_option, de_legato, cs_storm when it came out…and cs_thunder was one of the first maps I played 😅 Ah, boomer nostalgia trip here, playing on my Dell “lunchbox” computer, churning out a lucky 30 fps on some maps 🤣
I do like how valorant made their 3 bomb site map, I think it was a very good way to make it. However, I just don’t think it would work in csgo because we only have a max of 5 smokes that can’t recharge, where in valorant you can have a lot more *ability* use of smokes to enter and hold multiple sites at a time to fake easier
Another odd map is de_747, it's made by the guy who made de_survivor. It's a map of a plane in the air and you can get sucked out of the doors if they are shot lol. Good video
i would love to see cs make a test mode in casual play that has a random selection of approved map designs from the workshop, would be fun to run around and shoot people in new enviroments but also might bring new maps to comp play if some of them are loved by the community :)
Would also love to see a video on penguin exploring the "hidden" opetion of community servers and exploring different game modes and maybe bringing some not so popular game modes / communitys to light
I find it weird that I was on my way to create a modern CS:GO map, set in an underground facility, with doors that could be locked off as seen in the original Half-Life, while also including an outdoor section, with an emphasis of the control room beign the heart of the map... Only to figure out it's been done literally 20 years ago. And it's lead me to reconsider making my map becasue it'll jsut be called a clone, or worse version of Foption.
haven't finished the video but i think at the end it's gonna get shown that this is what nuke started out as, if he already said this then im gonna look dumb ig i was wrong but i liked the new vid style !
Honstley i love the map, it had so many good thoughts in it and even if several things might not work out or be balanced today, I would love to see a remake of this map with some adaptions being playable, although most likely not being suitable for competetive cs
I feel like Foption could be remade for CSGO as a deathmatch only map, I could see it being great as one due to how large and fun it is.
I think it could work for competitive but with this many sites, they could experiment with 6v6.
@@KingBatiatus with the amount of verticality in sites I think it would work great in casual with the player count
@@remlet3753 casual only maps is such a cool idea
@@KingBatiatus I would say 7v7 for better executes and defense...
Casual only map would work but the number 1 rule of CSGO maps nowadays are that it needs to be very bright with lots of details. That could destroy the notion of the map.
I want to see a WarOwl video where they play on this map, it'd be very interesting. Loved the video, man. Great job as always
"We played a competitive game on the map de_foption, a map from ye olden days of Counter Strike. It has 3 bomb sites. Should maps nowadays have 3 bomb sites? ...Noooo!"
@@666chaox666 and the negev became the meta
@@666chaox666 I have never seen a comment so accurate and loud, i can literally feel the WarOwl-ness of this.
so go to warowl and let him know its gonna be fun
somehow gonna get ruined by Negev again
if I'm not mistaken, back in the early days of csgo, there were unused default t-side voice lines for bots, such as "I'm going to plant the bomb at bombsite c", just in case a map needed that
I was looking for This
this video just made me realize i was playing this map (remembering vaguely, some bits and pieces , mostly bombsites) back in the the days of old internet caffes in belgrade, serbia (hometown) when we as kids used to play cs
It makes me sad that new players will have no real incentive to lan just because it’s become so much more of a nuisance and it just makes more sense to play online at your own home. I will always miss those days
Burazer
I remember playing this map as well in my favorite Cyber Cafe, back in 2005 or so. But very briefly.
Nobody believed when I said there was a map with 3 bombsites xD
Pozdrav iz NS. I u NS se igralo, GOOD OLD DAYS
A good fix to make ancient less CT sided would be to add a third bombsite in T spawn
I think it would just make T's completely OP, maybe even more than Hostage Gamemode.
Think of this: you play a 5v5 on a three bombsite map and usually as a CT, you need to:
A: Pick and gamble a site with your team with at least 4 players but that will most likely result in the enemy team just choosing any of the other sites, and rush with all 5 players and forcing you to play retakes
B. Scatter and let yourselves be killed off one by one.
This is a terrible idea and the only way I could see this would be balanced is if we had some *abilities* or teleports, greater bomb countdown time or even stronger weapons and/or utility that would be available for the CTs.
lmao
@@alraz5832 I think the joke flew over your head
@@catmoon95 i think it went over yours
@@Klosop I think it flew over YOURS
Watching this channel blow up in these past few weeks and months has been so damn cool. Seeing the depth that each video goes to on its respective topic or direction of focus, your passion and love for entertainment, and creative production are so clear. The evolution that you yourself have been going through as you grow and learn and interact and create is just astounding. I love Counter Strike, and it's been a part of me for a long time now. As with everything in life, interest and attention to CS have waxed and waned, and I can confidently say that watching your videos has started to pull me back into the game, into the wild world that is the CS community. Thanks for doing all of what you do my friend, and cheers to everyone else that appreciates everything about this and the community.
A video about removed / cut gamemodes would be hella fun
We already have ESCalation
@@OperatorMax1993 perhaps but nothing from the boy himself
@@fraizie6815 yeah
Also nice furry pfp :)
I started CS with 1.5 in LAN I had no idea about this older map! Thanks for the video!
Back then with my friend we would play 1.6 online, and 1.5 in LAN, and what I loved most about it other than trying out my own custom maps, was when we looked for war on irc people were open to play unofficial maps, such as de_sunny which was awesome in gldsrc engine! I started making a remake but couldn't really make the rotation routes work within CSGO movements speed :(
But when it comes to 3 bombsite maps, I do have 1 great memory. There is this de_dust2 remake on CSS that has a dust2 extended theme but it actually has bombsite C between A and B in the back of CT spawn, it connects to A, B backsite and shortmid. Lots of fun in deathmatch, although i didn't try it in competitive setting much.
de_dust2unlimited
Ahh..I have fond memories of playing dust2 unlimited on community servers. Great map!
@@brandyyn i wasnt sure it was that one! its a great map overall!
We not gonna talk about how the vault entrance in both foption and zoption look exactly like the vaults from fallout 1?
Am I the only one that noticed the vault doors 13 and 15 in noption and foption, respectively? These are an interesting reference to the original Fallout game from 1997
thought I was the only one who noticed it xD
Daddy Penguin with the chill content once again, underrated af
Why underrated?
@@Payro 35k subs for this lvl of content is quite underrated
American 3kliksphilip
@@Payro he delivered content like this having only 5k. It's good to see his channel growing. Slowly but surely
bruh ,,daddy"
It looks so much like a map in Half Life. It would be so cool to play it
I just assumed this was the part of the half life level at the very start? After the cable car.
Edit: Nvm, after seeing more than 2 seconds it's clearly not what I thought
Also, the map maker worked on half life so
Yeah, and I'd love to play it too
Well oldschool CS was a half-life deathmatch mod.
i heard the valorant devs were heavy 1.6 players and weren't so interested in csgo when designing the game. this makes me notice this even more
Just incredible work all around. Not only making me somehow care about an odd map from 20 years ago I never played, but just the editing was top notch. Keep up the amazing work!
This was a great video. Love the style and energy of it, and always enjoy seeing some old CS content
your editing style is starting to get really good, keep up the good work dude
I've heard Nuke was going to have 3 bomb sites. Somewhere in an elevated position there is a marking that hints to it being a bombsite.
Bombsite C in de_foption strongly reminded me of the middle bombsite in the map Haven in Valorant. It is also a third bombsite in the middle of the map with three entrances and a giant pillar in the middle. The difference is that it doesn't have that insane verticality or sliding doors. However, there is a sliding door on the map Breeze.
Yes, Both Haven and Lotus now have three sites in Valorant. B is usually under defended so you can usually plant there as an attacker more easily at the cost of being pushed by both sides.
Such eloquence in delivery. You're chanel is quite unique & I'm 100% in. Thank you. I hope you prosper.
I know it's not an official map, but the operation map Library (I think it was called?) was really cool. The entire map was a library room with twisting, maze-like paths of bookshelves, and you could shoot out sections of bookshelves to creates new lines of sight and the books themselves were easily wall-bangable. The coolest part was, aside from CT and T spawns at opposite sides of the map, the entire map was one huge bombsite. Planting right away would tell the CTs where the bomb was but give them less time to reach it, while the longer you waited to plant the worse it got for CTs to find but the harder it became to actually hold. I actually don't think this concept was done as well as it could have been but it's interesting nonetheless. I'd like to see this concept re-tried as a hostage map, with CTs getting the hostages at round start (to avoid the weird midround flipping of territory without flipping roles) while Ts are given more time to block routes through the map.
Starting with hostages nearer the middle and the hostage rescue zone on the T side is a cool idea. It doesn't make as much sense to have the hostages on CTs immediately as it removes a key part of the mode, but suppose the two teams have to fight for hostage control it would be a nice addition.
Gives Ts options to either hold hostage or hold rescue zone more, while also giving CTs options regarding whether to clear rescue zone first and wrap back (clearing a clean path for hostage) vs winging it for hostage rush, then figure out how to clear rescue zone at the end.
Great vid man, I also love the attention to detail in foption, it was the first thing I noticed
i love these videos so much. keep up the amazing work!
Thank you so much for putting the music you use into the description! I really like how Enjoy your Stay sounds, I don't have to desperately search for it thanks to you! :P
that lovely Fallout 1-2 reference :D
That elevator really hit my nostalgia hard as a CS:S player. The only ever map I knew with an elevator was nightfever, and I had some really cool gameplay moments in the elevator
Once as a T i killed the left CTs while going down and up in the elevator :D
I suddenly remember avoiding that elevator because it would randomly frag me whenever I used it.
@@n00bje i of course got killed also sometimes in or around the elevator. But you could hear quite well wenn someone was using it.
Can't remember any other map using an elevator in all the years of CS:S. And I played also a lot of game modes like GG, Surf, Death Run, Zombie Mod/Escape where such Goofy mechanics could be expected
these old, complex maps with bunch of moving parts and interactive traps and tools reminds me a lot of the game intruder, a very fun pvp stealth game that hasn't seen a lot of success.
0:44 - absolute banger of a montage. Chills.
Old maps feel like they're trying to emulate a actual location, not a arena
Your content is actually so good, keen to see where you end up, love that I will be here for the start
I like how the vault doors on the two option maps are just copies of the vault doors of vault 13 and 15 from fallout 1
I used to enjoy this map but didnt get to play it that much back in the day. Thanks for great CS videos brings back good memories
I really appreciate your content Penguin! Love the chill vibe and thoughtful commentary
This map seems really fun!! I wonder exactly what about it actually makes it such a failure. Like ok sure it isnt competitively viable, but like, is it unfun? Could I play this with my friends like a gmod ttt map and still have a blast? I do wonder.
the existence of dust2 is what makes it a failure
You can only play it in 1.6 or Condition Zero with friends though because Foption was never ported to CS Source (so you can use it on GMOD).
Maps like de_storm and cs_siege completely flopped, yet they're still in the game.
It was incredibly fun, played it on my cs 1.6 server few years ago.
My nearly 23-year old memory of it: the layout was just too confusing and the map really was just too much of a labryinth. For what it's worth, there are plenty old old maps that I still don't have the layouts memorized despite playing them a ton back in the WON days (backalley, rotterdam) but I was still fond of them/they were quite popular for pubbing long ago (prodigy, storm, oilrig, highrise). My guess is that foption had the additional problem of just being way too big and open-ended with the angles, resulting in many kills that would feel unfair. At least with the other non as_ maps, the gameplay was still rather predictable like most CS maps.
Great video. I only started with GO in 2014 or so, never played any CS game before that so this kind of video is always interesting to me
Oh wow I didn't realise de_foption had a third bombsite. Last year I had the opportunity to play on a public server that focused on CS Beta maps and cs_zoption, cs_ship, as_forest and de_foption were on there. Let me say a few words about those maps. You cannot imagine how T-sided cs_zoption is, even for a hostage map - once Ts figured out the map CTs stood no chance at all, CTs would be eliminated with no or very little losses on the T side. I think at one point CTs stopped winning rounds at all and that's when people stopped voting for it. cs_ship was an unfun claustrophobic mess although I don't think it was particularly unfair. as_forest was one of the most popular maps on the server actually - people and I personally genuinely enjoyed it not only because of the novelty of the assassination game mode, the map just somehow clicked - it wasn't too CT-sided and Ts had ways to counter CTs' plays though the turrents were pretty annoying, Attea probably shouldn't have made them instant kill. I'm certain de_foption was on the map list but I remember playing it only once and finding only the A and B sites, in fact, this video is the first time I'm seeing this C bomb site. Maybe we just didn't consider that possible and never bothered to look for it? lol
Can honestly tell you I'm one of the few surviving dinosaurs that played league matches on this map. OGL, CAL, TWL, etc... Had to play Vegas too, recommend covering that one.
Also for our first ever match on this map. None of us ever played it before or practiced. We just showed up on match day and were like "WTF WE HAVE BOTH SITES SECURED HOW DID THEY PLANT??!?"
This could be a very good map for larger games with more players, especially due to the lack of cover and therefore requiring more spread out protection of bomb sites. Though I wouldn't mind more weird, unusual maps being added, forcing players to think and change their play style. Today, this could be done far better and more balanced than foption
this is such an underrated channel, love this content style
wow, 20+ year old memory resurfaced. thanks for the nostalgia hit. funnily enough, it feels big enough and intricate enough to be a medium-ish sized battlefield 4 map (if the bombsites were flags obv).
Interact-able and moving objects should make a return in some modern maps, as long as it’s not overdone
Bro, i'm really excited to play this map with my friends. Looks like it's so difficult to defend bombs and at the same time so fun. I really like these old CS maps that has these elevators, cameras, doors, things to do besides shooting.
this map looks gorgeous
Played Foption in local games and it is a really complex map. Incredibly big and the rotations are a bit messy. However, what I like the most about it is that Half-Life atmosphere feel with its soundscapes.
wow... i've always wonder why the bots of CS had a voiceline talking about "C bombsite"
I believe that this map is guilty now hahaha
BTW, love your editing.
I remember this map, back in the days I had a CD with patches for Half-Life and Counter-Strike (you had to install them in a sequence, one after another), also it had a map pack with around 100 different maps and I loved to explore these maps, knowing that they are forgotten by everyone and not played on most servers, although they were interesting and quite decent. de_foption was one of them, I remember it quite well
This feels like it would do stellar in a James Bond deathmatch game.
I like how this map is just a big homage to Fallout 1 , especially with the Vault 13 doors.
Volcano be like : "Man, I loved foption"
Riot : "do it"
wake up babe new penguin video
Ohhhh man I remember this map!!!! A was impossible to defend, B was your best option and C wasn't great but you could hide behind the rocket and it was hilarious to run around in circles if there was only one CT left. CS was so much more experimental, rats, airport, there was one map but I can't remember the name, it had a building with hostages (not the crack house map) and it had a launcher that would throw you towards the first floor window, it was probably the most fun I've ever had playing cs.
love that fallout reference at the vault door!
7:42 it felt like you are challenging map makers to make popular 3-bombsite map
IMHO you nailed it on the head with "it feels like a half life map for CS" ; as in, the map might be better suited to some sort of singleplayer expansion. But on the other hand I can't help but wonder what other arena-like maps from half life (two?) could be shoehorned into CS like that, and might feel like they work, at least for a brief instant?
* 3 sites should make CT difficult due to uncertainty
* Verticality in Aztek made it too CT sided
Do they balance out if they combine?
Maps with 3 bombsites might've been actually in csgo, the evidence of that being some default faction having voice lines regarding going, planting and going to plant voice lines
Fun history experience and nice to see these old maps get some love!
Low key best cs youtuber rn
I like to see how experimental some maps were back in the Beta days. It plays and feels like a completely different game.
Another defuse map that is as strange as Foption is de_railroad. Would love to see a video about it :-)
7:06 based sentiment to end a great video
i can listen to your voice all day when i take a nap its lovely man
The way that text was warped really cemented in my head that “foption” sounds like a fucking captcha
Found your channel from ohnepixel, good job man you make great content
I don't play CSGO but this man makes its history pretty damn interesting
Brains are interesting... I forgot the name of the map but when I saw the first screenshot I immediately remembered that map.
I never even knew this was a thing.
Great video!
this is like if nuke and vertigo had a child, then fed it drugs for 18 years
I love your choice of music. I love Earthbound and Mother 3
Some really clean editing, great vid
CS map design philosopy.
HEY BOSS! WE DID IT! OUR COMMUNITY MADE A 9/10 QUALITY MA.. :*BOOM*: executed.
"No. We play 5/10 quality maps. FOREVER."
"Boss what about a 6/10 quality map?"
"THROW HIM IN THE PIT OF DEEEEAAATH, THEN SEND US TO MIRAGE FOR THE FOURTEENTHOUSANDTH TIME
Slight mistake at the start of the video, 1.1 was released in early 2001, with the official 1.0 release at the end of 2000 :-)
In 1999 the game was still in the early beta versions and I think defuse wasn't even in the game yet until right near the end of 1999.
What an amazing video, I just wish there was a radar overview of the map, I had trouble understanding how the sites really worked in terms of position
Love the fallout reference on it
7:26 holy shit he vented in cams
Poor Yurik: "It's my mission to instill as much variety into CS as I can."
CS community: square maps, grinding lineups and ultimate balance go brrrr
A remastered version of this map would be a fun inclusion in an operation imo
- button doors
- 3 sites
This is a Valorant map
As Penguin started to talk about this video before he named the name, I thought “option” right away…but when I played it, it was called “fy_option”; still a bomb site map, but I played it in college during a time when we could only play with people in the school’s network.
A good 20-30 of us would rotate on and off the game, trying “experimental” maps on 1 of 2 servers hosted at the school, haha: fy_option, de_legato, cs_storm when it came out…and cs_thunder was one of the first maps I played 😅 Ah, boomer nostalgia trip here, playing on my Dell “lunchbox” computer, churning out a lucky 30 fps on some maps 🤣
"I tried something different with this video" this is the first one of yours I watched lol
Your content is a breeze of fresh air, I love it!
I do like how valorant made their 3 bomb site map, I think it was a very good way to make it. However, I just don’t think it would work in csgo because we only have a max of 5 smokes that can’t recharge, where in valorant you can have a lot more *ability* use of smokes to enter and hold multiple sites at a time to fake easier
"5 smokes ought to be enough for any team" ~Sun Tzu
Haven suffers from all map problems In valo. But I'd like to see 3 bombsite map in csgo
I think that Foption with just one or two from the "weird" features would be kinda fun i think, or just with all it has a Deathmatch map.
Nobody is mentioning that the map is played in a Vault from the Fallout universe?? Vault 13 anyone? :) It's a cool crossover
I recall small bits of this map, in the early days mansion, assault and dust were the go to for many lan events I played in the late 90s early 00s
now this explain why Separatists in CSGO has "im going to plant the bomb at C" voiceline
The rocket silo is probably one of the coolest i've ever seen in goldsource
Early CS maps were bonkers but its impressive how fast they honed in on the basic layout we have come to know and love.
man its so crazy seeing the old maps that used stock half life textures, reminds me of siege
Another odd map is de_747, it's made by the guy who made de_survivor. It's a map of a plane in the air and you can get sucked out of the doors if they are shot lol. Good video
i would love to see cs make a test mode in casual play that has a random selection of approved map designs from the workshop, would be fun to run around and shoot people in new enviroments but also might bring new maps to comp play if some of them are loved by the community :)
Would also love to see a video on penguin exploring the "hidden" opetion of community servers and exploring different game modes and maybe bringing some not so popular game modes / communitys to light
Happy to join you on your journey to blowing up
Its based on fallout, very cool.
Electrocuting was real fun back then in this map. I almost always went straight for that button
I find it weird that I was on my way to create a modern CS:GO map, set in an underground facility, with doors that could be locked off as seen in the original Half-Life, while also including an outdoor section, with an emphasis of the control room beign the heart of the map... Only to figure out it's been done literally 20 years ago. And it's lead me to reconsider making my map becasue it'll jsut be called a clone, or worse version of Foption.
Not gonna mention the vault doors that are obviously a reference to fallout 1 and 2?
Opening up some sealed memories with this one, wowzers.
Damn, we used to play as_forest of community servers all the time in cs 1.5/6
Thanks for bringing it back to memory!
I remember playing dust 3 on source. It was great fun in casual servers with larger teams.
haven't finished the video but i think at the end it's gonna get shown that this is what nuke started out as, if he already said this then im gonna look dumb
ig i was wrong but i liked the new vid style !
i been waiting for this
Honstley i love the map, it had so many good thoughts in it and even if several things might not work out or be balanced today, I would love to see a remake of this map with some adaptions being playable, although most likely not being suitable for competetive cs