Harley-Davidson VS Indian Challenger. THE FINAL REVIEW!
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- After test riding the 2020 Indian Challenger Limited for the last 60 days,. I share my final thoughts about the Challenger and how it compares to Harley-Davidsons in general, and my 124 Cubic Inch Street Glide.
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Tall that was the best review of these two bikes that I've seen Brother, truthful and honest, Big RESPECT from Missouri brother 💯👍🏼
Thanks Ozarks H-D Riders thanks for watching.
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OZARKS H-D RIDER'S yeah buddy. I good honest review.
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Are you trying to be a racer on on a Cruiser bike? Why anyone care about the looks of a windscreen over its functionality? Coolness doesn’t keep the wind or rain off your face/helmet.
I've ridden the heck out of the entire H-D touring line-up and owned just about all of them. After riding several thousands of miles on a Challenger (including just completing 10,000 miles in 14 days), I have to say it's the best motorcycle I've ever ridden. BWT, mine and the two other Challengers with me had no issues! These bikes are rock solid! Thanks Tall for a great review!
I was a long time Harley and Triumph rider. I totaled my Road Glide Ultra a couple years ago, test rode the 18 HD and the Indian Roadmaster. There was no comparison, the ride, handling, comfort, std features sold me. I haven't regretted it on bit.
How's the reliability? I really want one. I have a Vic xc tour and it's been fantastic. So I want to say it'll be more of the same.
@@KindredGh0st indian is ultra reliable
U mean the Springfield, Harley I’d the road king
Yep, that’s what decided it for me-local dealers, and the solid Harley culture. Now, my next bike,,,,,, I might take another look at that Indian. I think it’s a fine motorcycle.
Tall, you made the best case for both American brands. The Challenger is a new bike and experiencing some issues you would expect of a new model. Not that the Milwaukee 8 has been trouble free either. In the end, for the price, you are going to get the bike that speaks to you.
I’m a Chieftain Darkhorse rider stationed in Georgia. A legacy Indian owner. I’ve enjoyed your unbiased opinions, tips and reviews. Much respect to you and I wish all of your viewers clear sky and open roads
Thanks for the good honest review. I'm a Harley guy but I wouldn't be opposed to owning an Indian.
Great video TT. I currently own 3 Harley's. In this case the Challenger wins. Bang for buck. More included off the showroom floor. The biggest thing for me is the improved suspension. Harley really needs to upgrade their frame and suspension on the touring models. They did a fantastic job with the softails. Take care. Stay well. Have a blessed day.
Just bought a 2020 Indian Challenger Darkhorse, LOVE IT! You're right on everything you said too, and that's the stuff that made me want this bike the best out of the box bike off the showroom floor. In a few years there will be plenty of upgrades especially in the speed dept as Indian will be getting help from S&S as well as Lloyds. Oh and I'm in Port Huron, Michigan.
Appreciate the honest review and comparison. My brother just left HD for an Indian. Were I to get one think it’d be the Chieftan as a second bike. Prefer that old school look in the Indian lineup. That ain’t happening so.....Will ride my personalized paid for 2011 FLHTK til I can’t. Keep up the good work. Be blessed.
I love my Indian but since I was a kid I always wanted a softail, if it was not for the terrible service from the HD dealer I would be riding a HD today. To me a motorcycle is a motorcycle they have different personalities...just depends what personality you like. If I could I would own a number of different bikes for when I feel like doing something different.
Great review man. 👍🏾💯🇦🇺
"lego of motorcycles" good way to put it. Thanks for the review.
The stock challenger beat my stock 114 m8. Just being honest. But my HD looks better. 🤘⚡️🤘
My stock Victory Vision 106 beats a stock Harley 114
It won’t beat myself stage lll 114 😎
M J Smith Mine too😉
Kevin Butler Yes it will.🤣😂
Won't argue with that. HD looks are hard to beat
Great review Tall. I test rode the Challenger it is a nice bike but I won’t be selling my RGS.
Thanks for watching Bob.
I have ridden a 2020 RG and the Challenger both in stock form and for me, the Challenger wins hands down. It is just a more complete package straight out of the box for less money then the HD. Also being from Australia we don't have to worry about all this dealership nonsense that you guys in the USA have. Any motorcycle mechanic can work on any bike down here so that doesn't factor in when picking what brand of motorcycle one rides. I am pretty sure if you guys didn't have to rely on a "dealership network" then things maybe different.
Anyway nice review Tall. Enjoyed it a lot. Cheers
Love your videos. I was sold on the Victory brand. It was new and innovative. Polaris did what they did. With that being said, I will not buy another product from them. Indian is just a brand name. There is no legacy or relatives of founding members like HD has had. Indian has been sold so many times like a cheap prostitute. At one time, they were even using Harley clone engines. My Victory is a superior bike to my HD and it looks like Indian is as well, but it will never have the loyal followers and aftermarket offerings that HD has. Everyone copies Harley.
i had a new 2017 chieftain ,great looking old school ,but too many electronic issues and i went back to harley ,reason was that dealerships are far and few between ....thankyou for your review tall .... stay safe and well and your family to !!!
Did the same. 8 months on a issue packed 2020 Chieftain. Went back to HD
Coming from a Hayabusa I want to get a Indian bike now. Thank you for the reviews. I'm writing this in 2022 and I am in El Paso TX.
Fairly new to your channel but so far I like it! You seem like a real decent dude. I'm out Dallas-Fort Worth and I still ride the one bike that fits my 6'8" frame perfectly. Victory Cross Roads, which I customized into a Cross Country. But I've been wondering about the challenger.
Indian and Harley Davidson have too much Sticker Shock built into them anymore .
I bought my 2002 Road King new . Would I do it again ? Probably not ..
Literally everything! A fricken low level Kia costs $20k these days. Kids walking around in $200 jeans. Not special jeans, they don’t wash themselves, just jeans!
Nice job ! Definitely is a great bike right out of the box for sure ! Thanks for the honest review. Street glide is a great bike as well! Personal preference is what it comes down to. Thanks Tall 👊🏼
Thanks ABUSA. Thanks for watching.
I buy the bike for the engine as that is the most expensive to modify. I usually do not perform any expensive mods on bikes on a depreciating asset. Harley should offer its stage kits from the factory to help prevent depreciation.
Harley dealerships, at least the ones I've been too, will install the different stages and if it's done within the first 60 days of purchasing the bike, it is included in the warranty.
@@2001redz28 The majority of buyers can't afford all those upgrades in a monthly finance charge. Plus, don't dare use a non HD part or you'll void the warranty. The Local Indian Dealership installs and warranty aftermarket parts and installation. As a consumer You and I should be getting more from a stock bike!
I have a 2016 VIC XC I bought in '17. I have 24,800 miles on it and love it . When the days comes, I will get a Challenger unlimited . THanks for the Great Commentary on the 2 bikes~
Good stuff Sir, really enjoyed this video series. Keep up the great work!! Checking in from sunny SoCal..
Great review Traveling Tall! Love the new effects you are leveraging on your videos, nice improvements! By the way, the microphone you used at the end of video to end it sounded perfect! The sound of the main video was good but when you switched at the end, even better! Keep up the great work!
Good vid and a great review Tall. I’d have to go with the Harley. I’ve previously owned a Street Glide and it’s a good bike. I also owned a Victory Cross Country and Polaris showed me how loyal they are... So Indian is a no for me.
Thanks for watching Big Smitty.
Traveling Tall your vids are really good! Great job!
It’s not a sleeper kit if you have a big 124 logo on the side.
So if you're 6'5" tall, I know that you couldn't ride any stock Harley. What did you do to your Harley to make it rideable and how much did it cost?
_Bob Matetich
Peoria, AZ
I rode a stock Street Glide from Tennessee to California 6300 miles round trip.
Very nice review. So I have a question...... Would you buy a Challenger for your own garage if you could??
Hey tall? about those handlebars .I have the same bike but a 2020. I remember when you said you would never change your stock bars .I feel the same way .you really recommend me changing my bars ?..I also notice your mirrors are in the same spot .because you said you like your mirrors there. I feel the same way. but those bars look good on your bike. Let me know
I'm 6'9" tall and bought a 2020 Loadmaster Darkhorse and changed out the bars to midrise bars and the difference is awesome! Highly recommended.
I think people were eager for the challenger but in the end of the day I choose the HD RG that for me is just accetics I knew if I test rode the Challenger I would have loved it so for me I didn't ride it thats probably crazy but you can't teach an old dog new tricks thanks for your review
Nice review of the Indian as it's a fine machine already off the showroom floor. It bums me out that you have to put an additional 3-5k on an already 20-25k Harley to get any giddy up out of it hence the declining sales IMO.
I bought the Challenger dark horse and did a stage one upgrade with a set of 14 inch KST bars. I love it.
I just picked up a 2020 Roadglide Special . I looked at the Challenger but the Roadglide spoke to me way more with its incredible build & paint 🎨 quality ! Case closed for me! Laconia H-D installed a stage 1 with Rinehart 4.5 s ! It sounds amazing 😉! I couldn’t care less if the challenger is 1/2 a second quicker ! That’s what Stage 4 is for ! 😂
M8 with a cam upgrade will get you right there as well. My Dads 107 with a Redshift 468 Cam, Krhome Werks Exhaust and Thundermax Tuner gave him 117 tourqe and 107 horsepower. Check that video out in my videos tab.
I know i'm a bike short, and 2 months too late but uh......
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I just test rode a HD Road Glide (19) today with my wife and I'm hoping to set up a Challenger test ride next weekend if possible. The RG was nice, my current (and first owned) bike is a Vulcan S but its a little small for me and definitely too small for the both of us. Beautiful starter bike, that aside the RG is a Cadillac in comparison. It does everything besides shift smoother (lol clunk). Buying is out of the question atm but in a year or so? I have to ride the Challenger first because the Limited in that Deep Water metallic blue is perfection. If I can convince them to put the dark horse engine on that bike (not a big fan of a lot of chrome) I'll be sold in a heartbeat on looks alone.
Main point of posting that is that HD RG is much slower than 1/2 a second to that of the Challenger. O'Hara was almost 30 seconds ahead when he 'went off track' and still reeled in the Vance and Hines HD with an SnS motor as if he was only leisure riding. They both were moving some serious pork shoulder but that Challenger with a little bit of tuning was insulting everyone else on the track. All this said, I like a lot of HD's style and mainly dislike a portion of their followers. This type of competition can only bring good things to all of us as consumers and I really hope it wakes HD up.
Hey Tall thanks for your honest review. Ride safe!
Thanks for watching. I'm glad you enjoyed it.
Lol finally! Been waiting for this video since you got the Indian.
Nice review
Thanks for the update and review. I think it's a business model. Harley probably makes more gross revenue and profit from the accessory side, so one might say they purposely produce bikes that are basic/incomplete/blank slates or maybe just made in such a way that they almost require some sort of customizing. It sounds like Indian is taking a different tack, more like BMW with the Challenger. Make a bike that does most things well out of the box. I currently ride a 2009 R1200RT, but owned a couple Vulcans before and also some UJMs. I am considering a second bike and HD is on the list, but you'd think that I'd be drawn to the Indian based on these reasons I stated and for some reason I am not. It just doesn't have the provenance. The culture I don't really care about, I probably wouldn't fit in and the dealer thing is ok, but not a deal breaker, but it's not a HD. That said, if I bought a HD, I wouldn't modify it much at all. Just ergonomics. I am 6'5 too and most bikes are made for someone 5'10 and less, which makes fit a problem. Anyway, thanks for the review.
I'd like to ride a BMW GSA. I test ride one and liked it. Check out that video on my channel. Thanks for the comment.
Provenance? Are you buying stock or a motorcycle? At some point you have to ask yourself what does my $30k get me? If HD sold bikes at a price as “blank slates” where you could get the bike plus do what you wanted to it for $30k and have as good of a bike as Indian puts out for $30k I would agree. They don’t! You pay $30k and STILL have to rebuild the motor and suspension just to catch up. I have owned several HD’s and have no axe to grind. They ran just fine and I had no issues with them, but Indian is giving me more these days for my coin. Don’t let a company sell you intangible crap like “heritage” for a premium. It’s a simple equation....who makes the better bike dollar to dollar?
@@motoGPness FACTS! 💯
Good review...... I own a indian Ftr 1200 and my dealer told me it can have warranty service done at any Polaris dealer since Polaris owns Indian ( in fact my oil filter says Polaris on it lol ) . I'm just guessing here but I'm pretty sure there are more Polaris and Indian dealers combined than Harley dealers in the USA . Have you got on the FTR 1200 yet ? It's a beast
Do the dealers stock motorcycle parts, and do they have the expertise to work on the bikes? That would be my concern?
@@billwelsh7489 I would advise u call an Indian shop and ask them details , but Polaris is / owns indian , there techs are def trained . Go dig on Indian website for more info ... bottom line is there are plenty of shops around the country to have warranty issues fixed for free . Saying that there are not that many Indian stores and that's a reason to not buy one is an ignorant statement cas if you do you research you will find the opposite . And if u do more reasearch u will see Harley lost 90 mill last quarter and is cutting back production 30 percent on there bikes and closing stores throughout the world , not gona jump to conclusions but it's not looking good for them
I had a friend who bought a Polaris jet boat and told the same thing. He moved a few states away after purchase and it broke down. He finally found someone to work on it that was 1,400 miles away. He got it fixed and turned around and sold it for a loss to the next unlucky buyer.
Nice review and honest opinions. The more I look and read about the Challenger it seems to be a nice machine but I love my Road Glide CVO. I follow you alot and look forward to more reviews and videos..... great job ...... Atlanta, Ga
In my opinion being a 1 year old Road Glide rider. The Road Glide was my first bike. The Harley is on one end of the spectrum being the last of the hotrod world. The goldwing is at the opposite end like a Lexus. In between these two is the Indian. A lexus with a hotrod look.
Kinda funny watching the expression on your face for answering when someone asks if its as fast as yours. I dont think most people dont realize the difference 10-20 hp or lb/ft makes on a 1k lb bike. Let alone how its applied to the ground. Good comparison👍
Nice review 👍This Canadian Loves his street glide
Excellent video!! I have had the opportunity to ride both and I’m rolling with the Challenger
Thanks Kenneth, thanks for watching.
Always sir!
Nice video Tall I personally test drove a challenger also and I own a 2017 road king and I thought my bike was more solid then the Indian it felt like it wasn’t as sturdy as a Harley-Davidson BABY👍
2016 road glide special
Dear Harley, please checkout your competitors... the technology in the Indian is amazing... you’ve got to keep up. WE NEED THAT WINDSHIELD!
I've been riding since I was 14, I bought a Busa after Desert Storm, I love it..now I'm 60 and M.C going to cruiser.... I've tested rode a Indian Challenger today and I'm VERY IMPRESSED.....Got a feeling that's what imma get..... thanks for your information
I’m test riding one today. Can’t wait. As of now, the Challenger is my dream bike right now. I’m new to the motorcycle world. I personally wouldn’t change anything on the bike🤷🏽♂️. It’s a beautiful bike. In that red is sick, but it’s something about black for me. I plan on buying a black one. Low profile.
Very informative honest and really great view of Indian Motorcycle Company i did not know or even consider...great video Tall Junebug from Rialto, Ca. I ride a 16 cvo sg
When you buy a Harley, you are buying way more than the motorcycle itself. That being said, for my type of riding, the Challenger out of the box is a better bike. Is it that much better that I would trade in my 2020 Road Glide 107 for it? Nope. Would I consider it for my next bike? Perhaps. But the down side is not the lack of support. It is the resale/trade in value. Indians lose their value quite quickly. So if you buy one, you better be ready to keep it.
My RG is not my only bike. I ride a Concours C14 and a CBR954RR. So I already have a "Performance Bagger". Maybe I would feel different if the RG was my only bike.
Tall fam, i appreciate your unbiased video review which is unlikely from an HD man and for pointing out the manute personal preferences that are easily resolved by switching out aparts such as the stock seat and for a slightly tinted windscreen but at the end of the day the 2020 INDIAN CHALLENGER hands down is a bad mutha it is what it is, you dig. 🗨️☝️😎💢
At this time, I ride a Kymco Like 150. I love Indian motorcycles, and the Indian Challenger is a great bike, but too large for this little, short lady. So, I am considering the Indian Scout with a few upgrades from stock. Thank you for your wonderful, informative videos, Tall. P. S.: And of course, I love your Harley.
My friend just took delivery of a 2021 Indian Challenger. After 3-days and 103-miles, it wouldn’t start. Dealer came and picked it up and hasn’t fixed it in two days. He should have bought a RGS. At least they run more than 100-miles.
With everyone talking about the speed off the showroom floor the Indian, something you're forgetting is the Harley-Davidson is a 45-degree V-Twin the Indian is a 60-degree V-Twin water cooled. The motor comparison is apples to oranges completely different the Indian motorist what they use in the Ftr it's also very similar to the V-Rod motor. The 60 degree twin in the Indian revs higher. I will say the Indian is a very good-looking bike but I still love the Harley Davidson. Good review TalI I think you did a great job brother!........Ride hard or stay home😎
Not a big fan of the Indian style. Just looks too compact for me. I've got a 2020 RG .
To me the best thing about Indian is its competition to HD. HD needs to do some serious upgrades on suspension. I shouldn't have to spend 2000+ in the aftermarket for good suspension and 3000+ to get 100 hp. That said, I love my Harley's and don't see an Indian in my future, I still like air cooled, pushrod motors. I have a Sportster Roadster, FXDR, FXLRS, and a Roadking. All great bikes.
love all motorcycles. Ive had hd's, victory's and now anIndian Challenger 2020 limited. I bought it mainly for the engine being water-cooled. It, like Victory is so well balanced. It handles like a sport bike...almost. Great review tall.
fair review . Had the opportunity to test drive HD, BMW TOUR ( wow ) and challenger . Fell in love with the power and tech of the BMW but it’s not my style and didn’t like the look. Winner was the Indian for me that beat out for overall comfort and build quality. Thanks though for your review. Very happy decision .
Yeah I'm about 2 years too late for this comment but better late than never lol! Great video BTW just like several others I've seen recently. My family and I have owned HD bikes since the 40s and still have 2 of those fossils in the garage!
Now I can't speak for all and this is just my opinion on the topic but unless an individual has abused he or she's HD since the evolution engine then idk what everyone is referring to when pertaining to reliability....?? Harley has came a long way just like many other brands have and most people don't know this but one of Harleys largest and main issue consistently was pre evolution vibration from the engine causing several issues.
So when people say well indian, Honda, etc are reliable compared to HD, I honestly don't know what they're referring too??
Also people say these Indians are a better bang for the buck..? From the price tags I've seen the past 5 years in comparison, I'm stumped on those comments as well lol!
The Indian has its own particular and specific look just like the HDs and the Indian to me looks more bubbly and abnoxious even futuristically made which is fine if that's how you roll.. I love old school and HD keeps it HD for 85% of its lineup. Resale value is substantially higher as well. However, I do think all.of these machines a way over priced for the average consumer ESP touring models. At the end of the day people have their own preferences and that's cool with me as long as you ride and enjoy the ride but at the same time, I havnt seen too many people in the world walking around with Indian, Honda or can am apparel and even tattoos lol and probably never will! Personally, I've always owned harley except for mine and my kids dirt bikes and I always will because I've had nothing but luck and great experiences with HD at home and on the road, close or away and they're are always gonna be an HD dealership close by incase you need anything at home or away so this guy will pick my HD anyday until something just ridiculously drives me away from the brand and the machine itself! Goodluck to everyone though!!
I have a HD FLSTN but I'm stuck between buying a Indian Challenger and a Road Glide. On the Indian I plan on putting a Stage I kit w exhaust on the Harley a 131 w exhaust. What should I go with?
I purchased a 2020 Indian challenger I feel like the bike comes with motor as well as technology, I have it with the tour pack & having the Loyds tune added in the next couple of months and Kst handle bars I test road the road glide then I test road the challenger it wasn’t close on how much technology you got with the challenger and suspension surpassed the Harley-Davidson suspension and that windscreen going up and down Harley needs to add that for a stock bike it’s running with the Harley-Davidson Cvo’s and half the price liquid cooled you can run it in heat fast, Loyds tune vs a 10,000 131 motor Loydz Indian challenger tune $600 I will take that 10,000 and put down on a toyhauler! A cvo need to come with a 131 motor you shouldn’t have to pay a extra 10,000 on top of a 50,000 dollar bike for a 131 when the challenger runs just as fast as the cvo which is a 117 motor but the Harley-Davidson bike also cost 20,000 more thanks tall and you didn’t even ride a challenger that had loydz tune
Knoxville, Tennessee is where i live. Ride a Triumph Bonneville. Been considering getting a bagger and appreciate the view. My buds at Danger Company love their Harleys. Seriously considering busting that up with a Rocket III and now a Challenger.
Own a 17 Roadmaster and a 15 FLHP, like them both for separate reasons. But the Roadmaster is the best twin cylinder, long distance bike I've ridden, hands down. Happy I have one of each.
I rode many Victory motorcycles over the years and had a Victory CrossCountry up until last year when I decided to buy a 2019 HD RGS. I love my RGS but knowing how much money I dumped into it to be a halfway decent ride makes me wish I would've waited for the challenger.
I test drove one of these on a trip after testing the road glide and the street glide in the same day. (Harley and Indian dealerships are right next to each other in Columbia, MO) Off the showroom floor, the Indian challenger was the better bike for me. I'm 6'1" and I was comfortable on the bike without mods. I had to change a few things on my 2022 Road King Special to feel comfortable. I don't know about long distance comfort on the seat, but for the 30 min I rode it, it was pretty awesome. Don't get me wrong, I love love love my RKS. But when I bought it, I didn't realize how much I would love riding and I didn't want a bike with a fixed fairing. Now I want to go longer distances, so I am looking for more of a touring bike as well. I think the only thing I would add to the Challenger would be highway pegs and a touring pack. With the Street Glide and road glide I would have to change the seat, handlebars, windshield and a few other things to make it work. Great review! thanks. :)
If I could afford it I would buy both. However rich I am not so I traded my Zx14r ninja and my 03 fat boy for a 2020 street glide special. I freakin love my bike. However I ain’t gonna lie the challenger came in a suuuuuuuper close 2nd. I just don’t like the fairing look in the front. I cannot get passed it.
The Indian is a great bike and like you said it’s not like a Street Glide. At first glance it favors a Street Glide. I wish Harley-Davidson would open the M8 engine more then what it is. Definitely upgrade the suspension and include the lock bags. Harley-Davidson is a great bike and I plan on having a 2021 Road Glide Special. As always it’s a pleasure watching your channel. Ride safe and keep the rubber side down.
The Challenger is by far the best bike available, it knocks Street Glide and Road Glide on every aspect stock, even with stage kit it still outperform Harley Davidson which surprise me.
No Wonder Harley Davidson diehard fans are angry, and many HD fans are switching brand.
Yeah the bike is okay but for me personally I will stick with my vintage because I really enjoyed riding with my windshield off. I didn't buy a motorcycle to look over a windshield or at a bunch of gauges I love having the bike naked. That being said though I have friends that have gone a few blocks and came back and said I got to put my windshield back on I can't ride without a windshield so everybody is different and nobody is right or wrong about it. I have other friends that swear up and down they will never own anything but Harley-Davidson and that is fine to guys going with your bad self no hard feelings. Meanwhile I got another buddy who just bought an 1800 cc Honda Cruiser for $3,800 and he is tickled to death. At the end of the day he will probably have more fun than any of us haha.
I have been riding for so long there is nothing new Under the Sun. time and time again I see guys by motorcycles and end up going to a stage 3 Performance Kit getting the bike all tricked out and a custom paint job and you know what's coming after that they sell it. It's like they always think the next check they write is going to make them happy.
Just go out to the garage and hit that ignition and ride man.
Loving these reviews Tall. You ever hit the Rock we will ride! I’ll be going from a hot high-ball to a bagger and man I don’t have chicken strips so that challenger might be for me lol. I’m missing about an inch off my pipes and peg studs lol. Not sure a stock glide will get me there. So it’s between Challenger decked out or a CVO with KST bars.
Indian all the way it feels like driving a Cadillac on two wheels 👌🏽👌🏽👌🏽👌🏽👌🏽👌🏽
Tall I loved this video, sometimes I think no matter what people ride they will always say negative stuff about the other. When the challenger came out everyone just crapped on HD and was all about Indian. Now people are seeing it is give and take on each bike from every company. My question for you is would you feel more comfortable working on the HD or the Indian..ie like you are going to do an aftermarket mod yourself,which seems like a better fit. I chose my FXBB because it is simple simpler than my triumph t120. So for me I like that, sorta like how the inline 6 in XJs is so simple helps me perform more work myself .
“It doesn’t handle like a Harley.” Good, because HD suspension sucks. The Challenger out performs, rides, and handles better than any HD.
Apples to Oranges...the bikes to be compared have to be Stock. Either both as Stock base models or both as Stock models with every factory option/upgrade applied. Those are 2 different classes with 2 different prices. By doing this: the viewer can determine "value" of the particular motorcycle in each category (acceleration, braking, handling, comfort, storage capacity, range between fill ups, user friendliness, maintenance frequency and costs) and then determine the over all value of each machine and then filter the assessment of the bikes through their own needs and riding style, to come to a conclusion of best value for themselves.
The Challenger doesn't look like the Road Glide, after seeing 2 of them side by side it isn't not even close. It's larger than the Glide. I'm riding a 07 Street Glide currently but I'm seriously looking at the Indian Chieftain Dark Horse & the Challenger as a replacement to my Glide in the next couple of years. Thanks for all the info!!!
Here from Ohio. Grew up with Harleys. I own 4 currently. But I rode the new pursuit model and I have to say, even with my road glide having the 131, the stock pursuit felt faster and a ton more comfortable. Test rode it for 8 hours and decided to sell the Harleys. I've never felt so confident leaning into sharper corners on a bagger.
I also like how you mentioned the ride quality on highways next to trucks. I believe that’s very important. I also ride a 2017 Street Glide Special , but you much taller then I am .
Stock for Stock. The Indians ride and handle better. Harley-Davidson needs more dealers because of how often they break down. All that from a Harley-Davidson owner.
I like the fact that you are an HD owner and you were not trying to bash Indian just giving a fair and HONEST opinion. Too many HD owners just flame other bikes to make themselves feel good about their HD. You touched on dealerships, the other problem regarding Indian is that there is chance Polaris will do the same thing they did to Victory and suddenly stop making them.
i love ur stuff tall ,,,,thankyou !!
Thank you, thanks for watching.
I like you honest approach to your comparison. One of the things you mentioned you didn’t like was that everything was covered behind the motor. That’s actually what I did like, the Harley looks unfinished in my opinion. I own a heritage softail and it’s a beautiful bike, but I like my Indian better.
Agreed, great review. It’s not a Harley. I have an Indian and a Harley. I love them both. Appreciate the ride for the bike that your on. I think Indian is great for the Harley market, for some good old fashion market competition. Consumer wins!
Good content and i like your delivery in speaking.....I just subscribed.....
It’s known that Harley riders usually have to built there engines up 107 to a 114 or a 117 to 124 or 131 my ? Is how does that work is there an exchange value on the used parts replaced like cams etc given by Harley Davidson or are just own your own trying sell parts on eBay or market place
Going to the demo day at Indian this weekend here in Dallas. Let’s see what happen Current bike 2014 Ultra Limited 103 !!
I have a Harley road king special 114 at the moment with a stage one tune , the bike has just had its 15000 mile service & at the same time it had to have a rear head gasket because the stock gasket failed, the bike was 4 months out of warranty & Harley wanted big money to sort the problem , Harley no there’s a problem with there M8 gaskets but they won’t do anything about it , so I’m a bit disillusioned with the brand am now looking at Indian baggers as the technology seems to be better , but the only problem here in Britain is the depreciation with them & the lack of dealers , thanks for your comparison I will now test ride the challenger , I’m also 6ft 4 inch’s & you didn’t dwarf the bike which was good !!
A water cooled engine is almost always going to be able to make more power than an air cooled engine. This puts Harley in a difficult situation trying to give Harley buyers what they want (traditional air cooled engines) while having to comply with ever more restrictive EPA regulations. While Indian is American owned the feel of the motorcycle is that of underlying Japanese engineering. Not saying this is a good or bad thing; just that is the way they "feel" to me. I think tradition Harley buyers are going to be hard to win over. But clearly Indian is making headway. In the end the important thing is to ride; whatever it is you're riding.
I’m a Road Glide guy and took out a Challenger today. Fist pot hole I hit I was like, dear Harley, your suspension sucks. Challenger is awesome
The only thing I didn't like about the Challenger was the price tag, but I feel the same way about the Roadglide. I rode pretty much the entire Indian lineup on my channel. Have you rode any of the other Indians?
Great reviews. I really respect your opinions. Harley is closing a bunch of dealers. I don't know the exact numbers but expect a few of those to become indian dealers.
I checked out Indian and went with a Road king only because there’s a dealership on every corner. Also if Polaris decides to unload Indian they’re still in business. If Harley unloads Harley..... they’re gone gone. So they will fight to be around
Since the folks at Polaris are probably reviewing the comments, here is my opinion. Competition is a good thing: I have test rode all the Indian models with the exception of the Challenger and Harley models (except Trike). The Indian models look good except for the Challenger. The engine sounds awful. The front end is just ugly, rest of the bike ok. Polaris needs to stop trying to copy Harley and do their own thing with styling. The Victory line had far better styling in my opinion so see if you can bring that back into the styling of the Indian or for a certain Indian touring line. The quality of the materials used for the Indian line is not up to par at all for the price, it's just cheap materials. You do get more options from Indians on a stock bike which is a plus for sure. All the bikes from both manufactures ride differently and you need to test ride them before purchase and just go with what you like. I was looking at purchasing a Victory or Indian a few years ago, then during the process of trying to figure out which one, the announcement came of dropping the Victory line and just running with the Indian line. That was the deal breaker for me of doing business with Polaris. I have heard the gripes of Victory owners afterwards of the extreme depreciation resale value and availability of parts. That was so wrong to the customers and is the main reason I will not be buying a Polaris product of any kind. Had a friend get the short end buying a jet boat from Polaris. If you are going to make it, stay in it for the long haul. Make it better, style it better, use better materials and think about long term instead of short term quick profits to appease the shareholders.
Im a fan of your channel. Im a 6'6 black man and the knowledge you have provided on your channel has been helping me with the purchase of a new motorcycle here within a couple month.
Thank you for representing.
Great video 👌.
What Indian (2022) motorcycle would you compare to Fat Boy Harley ?
Your lucky to do a test comparison like this. You need to go into just a bit more detail about each bike. Examples would be wind screen height at max and not deployed. Seat hight compared to Harleys. What kind of tires on the Indian as compared to Harley. Then compare the ride... Just a bit more info. Didnt see the vid on your harley upgrade. Just a quick qoestion.. did you up grade the bottom end so it could handle all the top power. Don't want a grenade the bottom end
I am planning on getting a Indian Challenger I just havr to take care of some things first. I was looking at the Scout but with me being a bigger guy I want something more my size. But I might pass you a time or two I live in Seymour. This is the first video But I found of your. Great video I am looking forward to see your videos.
There is no comparison. The Challenger is a better bike all around, who cares about aftermarket. Indian is getting more and more everyday.
I just got a chance to test ride the challenger at Panama City. It was a nice riding bike. I did expect it to be faster than it was. I have an ultra limited stage 2 build. The bike I rode did alot of popping felt out of tune. I tried different modes didn't seem to matter. Also rode a roadmaster limited. It felt light compared to my ultra.i have the same bike as your dad. The audio on the Indians were not up to par with my stock boom audio. I'll give them the suspension and clutch feel over harley. But I like the m8 better. That roadmaster limited is a nice motorcycle, liked the cooled seat feature. It ran a little rough for my liking as well.they both remind me of my stock ultra. Needing to let more fuel,air,exhaust
I am serious about picking up a challenger. My only concern is the leg room. I have a Roadmaster, after changing the seat and extended the the floorboards it fits great. Thoughts on the challenger for tall riders? Thank you
hey tall i love youre reviews, i have a 2021 street glide special I love it I had a tourue cam and se- oil pump, se lifters, s&s lifter guides and it feels great I see you have a 124 kit is that you're advised upgrade for power I am considering that 124 thanks for you're time sir.