Indian Challenger Test Ride from a Road Glide Owner | Challenge the Challenger
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As a Road Glide owner, I couldn't wait to get my hands on the Challenger to see what it is all about. See my previous thoughts on the Challenger here: • 2020 Indian Challenger...
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I own 2 Harley's, and all I can say is thank you Indian for pushing the envelope. HD needs to take note on a performance bagger. I love to customize and HD has the aftermarket for sure, but the Indian is ready to go out of the box. Nice review, I need to test ride that Challenger, looks like an awesome bike!
The competition is what we need! Thanks for the comment.
Harley has a performance bagger. It's $47,000
Harley needs to drop the 131 in the CVO to be able to compete and dominate the performance part of the market.
@@ericperry72 but it would neither compete nor dominate anything lmao
I have been riding Motorcycles for 45 years 37 on Harley. My current bike is a 2003 road-glide. I have had it 18 years its on its third engine. the most resent is a 103 with heads cams larger throttle body S&S headers fulsac loaded CVO mufflers. Dynojet power vision tuner. 101 HP and 107 Torque.
I take a lot of trips never haul my bikes I ride them everywhere. Indian Sold me on the Challenger. As much as I love my road-glide and all my performance changes and suspension upgrades. This bike out performs Harley in every way even the infotainment.
Harley is not taking care of the long term loyal riders my dealership here in Albuquerque is terrible. I tried to buy a used CVO which had an advertised price of $20,500 Which when I rode it they upped the price to 22,500. They offered $6,500 for my current bike even knowing they charged my $8,500 for the motor work that was being done at that time. Here is the math they used:
$22,500 - 6,500 = 18,000. Remember the math is off and the price upped by $2,000 which changed the final price by $4,000. That meant they were only Giving me $2,000 for my trade in and he asked me if I was ready to do the deal. I asked him knowing that I work at a Defense Lab and Have 2 Degrees. Did he realer think I was stupid? I walked out.
Thank you Indian for stepping up. I will be your next customer in the spring.
Thanks for the input from someone who has ridden and owned Harleys!
That is why Harley's financial report loss was about $94 million last year...I've owned four Harleys and if they keep doing these non-sense over charging the their only loyal customer base, they will continue to lose market share...hopefully the Pan America may help...
I know this is an older video as far as the bike world goes. I picked up my challenger from Panama City beach Florida and rode home to NJ in sun and rain with my wife on the bike both of us were so comfortable that 2 days later we rode up to bar harbor Maine so comfort on long distance rides is definitely not an issue. 2 years later I got my pursuit. The fairing issues are gone the idle issue also gone and the tech is so much better! On a 950lb bike I’m doing wheelies without any effort or popping the clutch. I’ve been giggling like a damn school girl since I got on this 108 engine.
Thanks for letting us know you are loving the bike!
My friend has ridden over 5k miles on his in the last 5 weeks, so its a bike that can definitely tour.
Thanks for the input, I'm starting to see a lot of these on the streets.
Rode my Challenger to the Black Hills (over 1000 miles) w/o stopping. I was so comfortable I never needed to stop. It’s made for the open road and it’s still a blast to play in twisties. For me it’s the best of both worlds. Haven’t heard any rattling yet after 3600 miles.
Glad to hear yours has been treating you well! Its a great machine.
That’s incredible gas Milne. Lol. 😂😂
The Challenger actually has a 65.7 in. wheel base and 98.5 in. overall length. The Road Glide Special wheel base is 64 in. and overall length is 95.7 in. So although the Challenger felt smaller to you on your test ride, it is actually bigger than a Road Glide. The rattle in the fairing was probably the key fob in the cubby. That is where they put them for demo rides.
I just got one and couldn’t be happier. Went from HD to an Indian Scout, realized I needed more bike and got the Challenger. Hopefully it is my last bike. I love it that much. You seemed to enjoy your ride and that is awesome! Cannot tell you how many people ride these and laugh in their videos. Says a lot for the bike!
That are really fun bikes!
My wife owns a 2023 Road Glide and I own a 2020 Challenger. My 108 is so much better than her weak 107. My wife can ride better than most men, but she gave me the Challenger and got her a Road Glide because the Challenger was too much bike for her. The Standard Challenger blows the Standard Road Glide away, no comparison.
Thanks for sharing!
Too much bike for your wife in terms of power, or was it the feel/heft of the bike even though they're roughly the same weight?
I ride a Chieftain. I would step over the Harleys I’ve owned in the past to get to a Challenger or a Chieftain. Sorry HD, you’ve been bested.
Thanks for the comment!
Except where it counts……….sales.
@@davidbell3169 Harley sales have fallen consistently every year.
Everything I want in an HD product. Step it up HD, you can keep your roots and still stay modern.
Would love to see them make something like this.
@@FocusedGarage even if they do it will cost you twice as much as this motorcycle.
It’s a great bike. Now going into it’s 2nd year should prove to be quite capable of handling long distance touring. More tech, torque, smooth and for the money, value than a Harley. Indian has great people in place and the Company seems laser focused on customer care. Time will tell as always. In the end, whatever makes you look back before turning off the garage light before closing up and calling it a day is what you buy. Life’s short, just buy the bike. Peace.
Now that its been out a while, they should have most of the launch issues sorted.
I think there definitely is a market segment that does want a performance bagger. I don't see an issue with having a big, heavy touring bike that can also carve through the twisties (as well as an 850lb bike can, anyway). So I guess I disagree with your idea that this bike doesn't really fit in anywhere. How many guys do you know that put aftermarket cams and/or big bore kits in their touring bikes? The answer is, I'm sure...a lot. They want more power from their big, heavy bike. Heck, Harley even makes a 131" kit that can ONLY be added to their touring line.
So yes, there is a market for a bike of this kind. Indian sees that and has added the brakes and inverted forks to go along with the added power.
This is very true, many people spend money on modifying performance on their Harley. It would be great to see them offer something like this right out of the box.
128 road king special😎🤙🇭🇲
Isn't that what the "Special" models are kinda supposed to be?
You are correct, the #1 selling bike in the US, for all mfgs, every year for the past 10 is a Harley Street or Road Glide by far. They sell more stage upgrade kits for their Touring line than any other. Performance bagger is the 2nd quickest growing US market behind ADV. When you can tour comfy on something for 2 weeks that has power & still has a soul, hard to beat. Smart move by Indian, go after HD’s top seller but quicker, no need to spend the extra $4K on the SE upgrades
@@THEelduderino Road Glide @$28K + 131CI @10K+ for a grand total of $38K, my goodness, almost $40 grand to catch up to Challenger PP+108 @$23K base or $28K for all options...does this all makes sense financially to all the Harley shoppers...
Very good review. I've tested one 2 months ago and would agree with you in performance. Amazing for a bike this size. One I tested didn't have the issues you mentioned but it was a dealership demo vs demo truck one. I think people are beating up these bikes and no one checked them. But also I think there are issues on this 1st year model that need to be fixed. I'm sure they will be fixed in future models.
Yea, I am sure the fact that these are demo bikes has something to do with the fact that they are being ridden significantly harder than someone's personal bike would be. Regardless, I was very impressed with the bike.
I ride an 18 RGS and I test rode the challenger as well. That thing was a beast, especially in sport mode. It really makes me wonder what the hell Harley is thinking
Curious if they'll make anything competitive.
they are trying to catch up..
HD owners... THIS is what getting your monies worth feels like.
Hahaha got em.
I don’t even need to watch video. The challenger is a rocket ship. No comparison.
Bike feels great, no lie about that.
Great and honest review from a young but experienced guy, well done! I think that concept could work. I owned a BMW K 1600 GT in 2016 and traded it in for my beloved Indian Springfield. Put both bikes in a mixer, the Challenger is the result! :-) ....Take care
Do you miss the BMW at all?
@@FocusedGarage don't miss the BMW at all. it was objectively the best bike I ever had, but emotionally the worst. I don't know why, just honestly spoken.
Very interesting. Thanks for responding!
@@bjornaltmann8184 I currently ride a '19 BMW R1250 GS Adventure, love this bike and I am looking to have the Challenger compliment it with the Vtwin motor one of these days...lol
@@dcdell2008 than you have the best of both very different worlds! One functional bike and one beauty :-)
You are spot on - I purchased a blue limited and my only problem is the poor quality of the paint - no rattles anywhere. My 2014 Ultra Limited paint is better than the Challenger paint after about 200 miles of riding. H-D simply beats the Indian in finish quality hands down, but the Indian Challenger performance is 2nd to none. It will be interesting to see when the performance fall-off happens, if at all.
If Indian could nail the build quality, they'd really have something here.
Derald Groth I’m not a Harley guy, but you are correct on the fit and finish.
I did a demo ride of a Challenger a month ago and we rode out into the country, almost near my house. My Dark Horse is coming at the end of the month. LOVE that Challenger.
I bought this bike a few weeks ago in the middle of touring. Put 3000 miles plus on it in a week and a 1/2. 10 out of 10 would tour on across country. When everyone was done at the end of the day and wanted to sleep, I wanted to get back on the bike and continue riding.
The challenger is such a fun bike to ride! The only gripes I have happened to be the exact same ones that you mentioned and my bike is a 2021. I've definitely made it a mission to figure out exactly what is rattling in the ferry and come up with a fix for, because it is definitely a problem that should be addressed, before it leaves the factory, for a motorcycle that costs as much as the Indian challenger does.
Thanks for the ownership feedback! They are awesome.
After getting passed around for years i'm glad a company that knows how to build motorcycles picked up the Indian name and is able to churn out bikes worthy of the moniker. I miss Victory but Indian is here to stay
They did a great job on this!
Indian dealerships always look pretty empty to me. After shutting down Victory the way the did how can you say they won’t do the same to Indian? If the dealers aren’t making money they will close the doors. I am not by any means putting Indian bikes down but Polaris I think made a mistake in killing Victory. Why didn’t they put all the effort into updating that original brand? The Scout and the Challenger are basically Victory’s.
@@harleycamper5577 Polaris was targeting the Harley Davidson consumers when they launched the Victory line. After 18 years they made well engineered motorcycles but sales lacked, *(to the point of losing money consistently). Polaris purchases the Indian Motorcycle name as a marquee brand that would be respected by the HD customer. *(Way back when Indian consistantly beat HD on tracks and were pioneers in motorcycle innovations). Polaris/Indian was smart to make its first introduction using the Thunderstroke 111 with its retro design in a modern air cooled engine. What you're seeing now is Polaris combining the Victory engineering DNA under the Indian heritage branding. Sales have steadily increased. My opinion, this wouldn't have happened as easily under the Victory branding. Also, it doesn't make sense for Polaris to have both Victory & Indian competing for the same consumer segment. That is why the decision was made to axe the Victory line. Polaris is a diversified powersports conglomerate, similar to Honda, Kawasaki. They aren't going to end Indian Motorcycles and have deep pockets to absorb potential losses through their multifaceted product segments.
Lol
It's fast but not that fast... [proceeds to laughing like a schoolgirl when he gets after it]
It's fast for the type of bike it is. But if you've ridden super sports or high powered naked bikes, it won't blow you away.
Noting this is a 3 year old video and owning a '22 Challenger, I'll say the throttle / misfire issues have been addressed through ECU flashes.
Yes, the Challenger is more nimble than the HD RG - I've ridden both. The biggest difference isn't in the "specs" (both having almost identical dimensions) but in the feel and weight distribution. The RG feels very top-heavy where the Indian carries its weight much lower. The suspension is night and day different, as is the power delivery, both in Indian's favor. The liquid cooled Power Plus 108 revs much higher, but lower RPM numbers aren't much different.
Grateful for HD and Indian both competing for the same market share - pushes both manufacturers to give us better products.
I just came across your video, great review. I personally do like the way it looks, so much that I bought one a couple weeks ago from that exact dealership just outside of Chicago. I moved from a HD Ultra Classic to this. The Challenger really puts out some power, just had it up to 105 mph this afternoon, smooth as silk and it still had plenty to go. Love this bike.
Thanks for checking out the video and for the comment!
The 108 definitely beats the 107 & 114 (and probably the 117) out of the box. Has better lean angle for cornering and very nimble. Adjustable windshield. You can take it to Lloydz garage and get an air filter, slipons and tune and your even better for a lot less money.
It is a great bike!
Very well done. Great review. Can’t wait to test ride one
So glad I finally got to ride one.
Love those Indian motorcycles!
They just keep getting better and better 👍
Love the new Sport Chief.
The rattle you heard could be the UBS connector and key fob in the fearing pocket,
Possibly, however the little pockets are lined with fabric (impressive) which would probably dampen that out.
I was seeing in another video it might be the plastic trim around the guages ,it seems from the factory it's not clipped in correctly, just push diwn on the area around the speedo/tach and it should eliminate the sound.
@@alsaint7944 yes, seen vids w/ same problem, Speedo plastic is removable so you can add the garage door opener, has clips & Velcro to secure, sometimes need pushed down. Challenger is much quicker, better suspension, better breaks & features, but this is great example of what he said about fit & finish, not as good as Harley
Hey dude what audio setting on your go pro do you use while recording? Good review by the way. The issues you mentioned, the rattle is actually part of the windshield assembly. I'm about to find a way to stop it, I think I've found the issue. The idle surge, I'm glad you found that, its been driving me crazy. Mine does it too sometimes, doesn't seem to effect anything though.
The audio here was recorder through a standalone audio recorder with a Purple Panda lavalier mic. Thanks for the share about the rattle!
Spot on review, I agree with everything you said. I appreciate your impartiality.
Glad you enjoyed!
Love a Harley, but their bikes has dwindled down in reliability over the years and they’ve covered it up with fancy paint job and shiny chrome. Competition is good. It amps up the build quality for all bike manufacturers. Thanks for the quality video👍👍
Thanks for checking it out!
Sounds like it needs a shock mount for the fairing. My Victory has a weird harmonic vibe in front that translates to the right front mirror. New bike with new software might have some bug issues. Should be worked out for the second year bike.
Regardless of the noise, it is a very impressive bike!
Offer that engine on the Springfield dark horse and it'll be in my garage next to my scout and my zx14r
I'm hoping they start to put that engine in more bikes.
I test drive the Indian Challenger and was very impressed with the bike. Te handling and standard features were very impressive. If they came out with a touring model with lowers and tour pak, I would buy one today. I love my Harley Road Glide, but honest comparison, the Indian rides better hands down. Also, you should be able to press a button and lock your saddlebags. Harley only does that with CVO’s. It’s standard on Challenger.
I'm wondering if they will offer a OEM Tour Pak model as well. I agree, locking luggage should be standard on a $25,000+ touring bike.
OK ok but a 114 road glide or the stock challenger...not just profomance but over all 8n the long run.. what do you all think?
Getting back to the "stock pipes" and the " Hunting" issue of the engine..... Did they "remap" the ECM to account for the difference in the back pressure from the new slip-ons ?
I do not know for sure if it was or was not tuned for the mods. Since it is a demo bike, I'm assuming it should be.
I think what you were saying about the idle surge may have been due to the rear cylinder shutdown at stops.
Very possible as this bike does that, I believe.
Nice vid....informative...No mention of air management tho?? On the fence as to trade my 18 road glide w/66kmiles had to put a cam an lifters in it at 65k...get tired of Harley vale train issues as well as compensator rattles....Indian doesn't meet Harley refinement in fit an finish but might trade that for better an longer reliabilty....Thanks again for great Vid...
Great review. I finally went to go take a look at the Challenger and can echo everything you said. But in the end, I walked away feeling great ride, but missing something.
1. Build quality: Lots of plastic. From the saddle everything I saw was plastic. That's not necessarily a bad thing but I wasn't happy when squeezing the left handgrip made the controls flex and move. Faring seams inconsistent, handlebar control housings all plastic. And faring rattles on a bike with 6 miles on the clock.
2. The only way to get gloss paint is to get the Limited.
3. Very few customization options from Indian. I like making my bikes my own.
4. Would need extended handlebars... my arms were locked unless I bent forward.
5. Entertainment system was very slow and hard to read in the sunlight.
So while I like the feeling after riding the Challenger, I'm afraid I'll be disappointed long term.
Thanks for the input! Every bike will have its pros and cons. It is a matter of what you can accept living with on a daily basis on your own machine.
I gotta test ride either a challenger or a Chieftin. Kinda afraid, I’ll love-it and have to loose my Harley and get one.
My advice, if you're really going to test ride those, is to ride both. They are different bikes. Not only the engine, but the feel and ergonomics. I test rode a Chieftain a couple times...really wanted to like it, but didn't. Test rode the Challenger and signed the papers immediately. Fits me more like my Victory than the Chieftain does.
Agree with the comment above. Those two are very different. Ride both before making a decision.
I have the cylinder shutdown activated on mine...at idle it shuts down a cylinder... that could be your idling issue.
That is possible!
I thought my new challenger had a knock in the engine before I figured out that it was the cylinder shutdown lol
I have mine off today.. still in the break in period for another day or two
Mine still surges.. and so does my FTR.. my FTR surges when I'm in neutral or clutch while still rolling.. once i come to a stop the surge goes away.. i did the fuel motto tune and it helped.. I'm going to send the whole ECU down to Ryan at loydz in Charlotte.. have him fix it the right way.. apparently the tune is too lean at idle so the engine constantly starves and fights itself.. ez fix... but the stock tune is toooooo epa compliant
I bought a used Ultra Limited 2021. I had to go back every month to the dealer. In 13.000km two times new front brake disks!! I had it before with a 2018 RKS and a 103 Police EG!! The engine is also pingling! I put modifyed pipes and aircleaner, and did put a tune (DON) by a HD dealer. It is still pingling. I now am busy to trade it in for a Challenger. It cost me a lot of sparetime and drive 200km each time back and forth. And ANNOYANCE
Nice job on the review.
Thanks!
Great review thank you.
Thanks for watching!
The "idle issue" is due to the cylinder deactivation feature. You can disable that. My challenger doesnt rattle at all... Anywhere. Maybe the bikes you got were early production???
Mine was built mid 2020.
Demo bikes also tend to live tough lives, so that can also play into it.
It Boogies! Haven't heard that in abit..lol
Haha just a great way to describe it.
I'm an Indian fan, I own the bobber and my next one in a few years will be the challenger. The odd idle you have is because they do cylinder shutoff. Great review though!
Thanks for checking out the video!
Cylinder shutoff in my 18 Road Glide does not do what he is describing... When it kicks in on the Road Glide you can hear and feel the idle is different but the RPM is very consistent.
This is something that can probably be fairly easily fixed with a software update on the Challenger.
I know on Harley's you can turn off the single cylinder mode.
Dad with bike that's exactly what I did.Sold bobber to stepson and went from K1600B to Challenger and it has been great bike ! You will like especially for comfort and tunes
Sounds like a good choice!
Thanks for the review. It was very helpful in my making a decision. BTW, I love your enthusiasm. LOL But you're right. THe road Glide beats the Challenger on looks. I wish you could've told me a bit about the night time visibility. I have poor night vision and need all the light I can get.
I wish I would've gotten the chance to ride one at night. It would have been interesting to see visibility and light output!
It's comments like this that prompted me to test ride and buy a Challenger. Amazing bikes.
I agree with you Step. I think the RG looks better but lately I’ve been deciding if slightly better looks with a lot more bang for my buck is worth it lol maybe eventually they will have a more aggressive looking fairing I can change out. Or maybe they have one already idk about
Nice review.
Wonder what that rattle in the fairing is all about.
Any comparison regarding the wind protection on the Challenger vs RG?
We have another video that compares the RG to Challenger. I didn't see any difference between the RG and Challenger when it comes to wind protection. Maybe because of the adjustable windshield, Challenger has a better protection for tall people.
Could the rattling be from the fobs in the little glove box by the windshield?
I have an Indian Scout. My next bike will definitely be the challenger
Great bike for sure!
I sat on one a few days ago. Felt ok but like you said it feels weird having the fairing so far away. Makes me wonder if the wind protection is any good on it. I'm at the age where I'm done getting beat on by the wind to look cool . I actually went over and sat on a new 2020 Goldwing and liked it better 😅
I do think this engine is where American bikes should be going instead of getting bigger and bigger. They have gotten bigger for years with no great power increase. Yet Indian brings us a smaller engine that will smoke them all
Here's my main concern. I've never had a Polaris that was worth a damn. Constant trouble from their ATVs. I HOPE that hasn't been a issue with their bikes. But my mind is open about it rather than closed
Thanks for the comment! Time will tell how this bike holds up.
Is that the stereo on the bike!!?? Damn that sounds good even over the exhaust
Yea I couldn't believe how loud the stereo came through on video. lol.
I just bought a 2022 Indian Challenger and all I can say it is a fantastic bike. Highway traveling is very comfortable, plenty of power. Handles like a charm, I’m sold.
These are awesome machines.
@@FocusedGarage These machines need a llyods tune.
The heat you said you could feel. Was it comming from that giant cat that's under the bike
I didn't try to pinpoint the source of the heat. Very possibly could've been the catalytic converter.
I test rode the Indian Challenge and its pretty nice but exactly what you are saying. If I;m going to pay top dollars, I spend it on a Harley. NOt to impress on the built quality too
Thanks for the input!
Bought my challenger limited with 25miles from that dealer in elmhurst a month ago 3k miles ............. get you a challenger 💪💪💪
Good experience at that dealer? How's the bike been?
@@FocusedGarage the bike runs beautifully nothing wrong with it handles all that I give it super good on 200-400 mile rides interstate and winding country roads. The elmhurst dealer ship was definitely a good experience everyone was nice and helpful
I’ve been cross country in the super chief limited VA to CO
The best thing about this motorcycle is that you can read the screen without the need for binoculars as in the Harley.
The screen is easier to read on this, but it isn't really difficult on the Harley either.
@@FocusedGarage In the harley it is much further away from the rider.
Yes that is true. However in the year that I owned my Road Glide, it was still east to read. You just have to control it by the buttons on the bars, and not by touching the screen because it is so far away.
Did they get these pain quality issues sorted out? Heard that was an issue.
Unsure of that. The paint was looking good on this but it was a low mile bike.
Been riding many many years both bikes but Indian scares people with no dealer not work when you're wrong way from home network means a lot
jim wortham what is it with this “ dealer network excuse”? Why do you need a dealer literally in every town you go to? Are you that insecure with a Harley? I’ve been on metric bikes for 46 years, I put 20;000 miles on a year, living in Minnesota, not bragging,I can count on three fingers how many times I needed a dealer.
It seems to be a defense that Harley riders jump to a lot. I agree, if I am spending $30,000 on a bike, I shouldn't need to be going to the dealer often for repairs. Especially on a touring bike. I should be able to ride it trouble free and stack on the miles.
I agree 100%. 115k touring flats mostly, once a shifter linkage, also oil changes 5k services dealers always made me a top priority staying late to get me back on road! Second to none I would say. Even camped at a few and free beer!
The Road Glide is a lot nicer looking but you see them everywhere. I test rode both and traded my Chieftain for the Challenger.
Nice choice!
How you complain about rattling like HD doesn't. I don't understand
Demo'd 2 Indians before I took home a '20 Road Glide Special in February. To be fair to Indian, I also test rode the Gold Wing (DCT & non-DCT). Nothing beats the fit-and-finish of the H-Ds. Love the 114. 13" Legend Suspension REVO-A HDs on the rear give me an extra inch of height & lean angle. Stage 1. Plenty of options to increase the ponies & displacement. Bike wants to cruise 80mph @ 2800rpm already, so I don't see the point of that. Most fun on 2 wheels I've ever had.
Thanks for your feedback!
Just curious how much did you spend to add those options?
Good video
Thanks!
I mean don't get me wrong but you say "I mean don't get me wrong" a great deal. I mean don't get me wrong.
Don't get me wrong, don't get me right.
@@FocusedGarage More nothing statements from a guy who really has nothing to say, but speaks anyway.
Pure fun! love mine.
Great bike, that's for sure!
Did this Challenger have the stock exhaust or a performance one?
I believe this one had some sort of OEM optional one.
Now you tried those washing machines, test ride a BMW K1600B and prepared to be WOWED. Power LOL, wait till you get on top of 164 HP BMW.
A friend of mine owns one, amazing bike with a ton of power. I just don't know if I can get over the looks of it.
@@FocusedGarage test rode a BMWK1600B right after test riding a Challenger. Amazing power, silky smooth 6 cylinder, but then you have to get off it & look at it I’m the parking lot, absolutely hideous with that front scooter fairing
It rattles, electric issues, like a Polaris quad?
Hmm possibly.
I know people who've crossed the country several times on a challenger and it is a touring bike.
Glad to hear people are already stacking the miles on them!
maybe because people that test ride bike hit potholes on purpose, dump clutches, over rev gears. and bend and tweak everything they can touch. I wonder how well your RG would hold up after a few hundred test riders had their way?
Yea, I am sure the fact that these are demo bikes has something to do with the fact that they are being ridden significantly harder than someone's personal bike would be. Regardless, I was very impressed with the bike.
Watch Million Dollar Bogans channel where he has thousands of miles offroad beating the crap out of his Road King Special. If he road any Indian like that other than maybe an FTR it would be in the junkyard after one trip.
@@raceboy1971 bogan has had his HD rebuilt by his factory mechanic buddy after every big trip. He has more money in rebuilds then the bike costs new. Not sure why you would use that as a selling point for HD and a knock on Indian. Indian builds top quality machines.
@@kylestewart8354 The RKS never needed to be rebuilt. Enjoy your Polaris Davidson.
@@raceboy1971 Use say "Polaris" like its a bad thing. Do you know anything about Polaris Industries? Do you realize they are an American originated company that is still based in the United States and manufactured in America? *(Made in American as opposed to Assembled in America!).
If you're a Harley Davidson fan, I applauded you. As an American, I hope HD thrives along with Indian Motorcycle. This would be a Win-Win for every consumer. Based on your comment you sound like you're rooting for Polaris/Indian to fail. Sounds like you're anti-American.
The fairing is powered, you can raise it up by pushing a button
The windshield is powered, the fairing doesn't move.
@@FocusedGarage my mistake
I’m getting a first bike, would you recommend this one?
I wouldn’t recommend a big bike for anyone as their first bike especially something with this much power. It’s a good way to get hurt.
Absolutely not a good first bike. It's big and heavy. It can throw you faster than you know what's happening and you'll walk away (if you're lucky) and never ride again.
If you want a bagger, look into Yamaha and Honda that can be outfitted with bags and a windshield. Something light with a lower center of gravity would be best for a beginner.
F H , get the Harley-Davidson the fit and finish are top quality, the paint job is the best in the motorcycle industry. They may not be the fastest but it will still make you glad to own it. And being a hog member adds to the pleasure of owning Harley-Davidson. Check it out.
It wouldn't be the most ideal for a starter bike. Instead I recommend starting on something less expensive and smaller just to learn.
Buy the bike you want and like to ride!! Don't listen to nobody! If you buy a " beginner bike " which you don't like, you will give up riding! Today's young guys must grow a pair of..(you know what) I wanted a road king, and I started on a road king and never looked back! Be careful, patient and practice a lot!! And don't stop riding! Good luck 👍
WTH is blipping the throttle for? Doing it on a modern motorcycle is going to confuse the computer, either you want to give it gas or you don't.
To rev match downshift.
Laver - I hope you've since learned to rev-match your downshifts. The majority of Harley riders I used to ride with never did. The majority of sport, sport/touring riders I've ridden with, do know about it and do it. Definitely an important part of slowing your speed, and not upsetting the bike especially in the twisties and turns.
It’s not a Harley, you don’t need to rev match it.
For a smooth down shift on any vehicle with a manual transmission, rev matching is necessary.
Focused Garage not all vehicles. Victory motorcycles actually can be stalled revving for a down shift. Not all the time but can.
@@johnholtz1205 You are correct. There some kind of electronic "protection" built in on Victorys. I've stalled mine a few times doing it
@@FocusedGarage peeps just like throttle blipping b/c it makes 'em think they know what the F they're doing ...particularly after spending $1k+ on absurd loud aftermarket exhaust. I hear folks blipping multiple times before each downshift while approaching a red light (WTF is that about??) or my favorite ...sitting at that light and cracking the pipes for attention. Nowadays, I refuse to ride behind anyone with pipes ...it's just annoying.
Still, your assessment of the Challenger is spot on. I've test rode Indians and regardless of model, the dashboard seems too far for me. Appearance is personal taste, so if you enjoy the shark nose fairing of your RG, that's cool, as I personally think it looks better too, but the Indian's liquid cooled 108 PowerPlus is no match for the M8 107. If I were in the market for a fixed fairing bagger, I'd get the Indian just for the motor, but a fixed fairing is the only thing these two bikes have in common.
FYI for anyone not familiar, throttle blipping is a racing technique where the rider quickly raises the revs while downshifting for a turn to maintain power to the rear wheel. I ride lots of mountain twisties and I focus on my trail braking skills to quickly get through corners.
Ride safe all. 😎
@@JFeisty Could be wrong, but I think it's called an electronic kicker.
I expect that motor will be in all of there baggers in the next couple years.
It will be cool to see it in the Chieftain.
I'd love it in a non fairing bagger...springfield equivalent
Cvo bagger comes to mind
Indian managed to make a bike that competes with a CVO at significantly less cost.
I disagree, I rented and rode over 700miles in two days on a Challenger. Harley Road glide definitely feels smaller. Also Aerodynamics on the road glide are far superior. I’m getting less Buffetting on my road glide CVO with the stock low screen,than I was on the Indian,with the adjustable screen.
Thanks for the feedback.
I have ridden all the Indian models, with the exception of the Challenger, during certain motorcycle rallies and the quality is just not there. Some models look very clean and sharp but not worth the money they are asking. Like a Chinese knockoff version of a Harley. But hey, competition is a good thing. Let's see if both manufacturers up their game to benefit us consumers. But you have to think that there are many people out there that don't need a powerful bike, I got the Harley 128 Big Bore Kit installed recently and it's a lot of power. Keep your customers in good condition to keep riding. I think that's why Harley keeps the performance at a certain level coming from the factory and those who are experienced and want more power can do so.
Maybe some of the fit and finish wasn't there, but this rode better than a stock Road Glide in every imaginable way. It even felt smaller which is crazy because they are very similarly sized.
I stay with my 2023 road glide st anytime I love
Why do people at demo days have such a hard time staying in the staggered formation?
I think alot of it has to do with the fact that many of the riders are newer more times than not.
The looks were my draw back also they look like they are missing something and the faring to me just looks like an after thought put that engine in a chieftain and I would consider an Indian ypu have a point I would go with the BMW GTL and haul ass the Challenger is not for me ill keep my beautiful roadglide with a suspention upgrade its not so difficult to ride
I'd love to see if they put this engine in any of their other bikes. I'm sure they will over time.
Now THAT, was a very good review.
Thanks for checking it out!
I was going to buy it, but at idle, the engine clinked and clacked so bad! (Others have made same comments on websites) I couldn't get past that!
Harley's are just as loud, if not louder at idle. Vtwin life.
Happened to me last year at Daytona bike week ran away from it purchased 2020 road glide limited 114 happy with it
Indian uses a learning computer to tune these bikes.
They try to dial into the individual owner and take several hundred miles to dial in.
If they need to purge data, they do it by killing the engine.
You can usually tell if they are looking for better data, they will have a rough idle.
Once the ECM dials the tune to the rider they bikes are very smooth.
Demo bikes may not have any miles on them and may have a hard time dialing in with all the different riders.
I have never heard anything about the Challenger using a learning ECU. Even if this were the case, I could understand a throttle response could vary, but I do not get why the idle would differ.
best machine around
Great motorcycle.
is it better you think than the goldwing?
I haven't ridden a current generation goldwing to compare, but they do serve different purposes. It depends on what you're looking for.
@@FocusedGarage i agree the K1600b from BMW is also impressive touring motorcycle.
I love and hate my charllenger, really bad with throttle issues, think going with back harley street glide, sad
BMW K1600B. Best bagger on the market.
Electric issues or just bad throttle response?
@@FocusedGarage challenger had a recall for throttle body, mine doesn't like to rav, if twist the throttle fast bike just shut-off
@@Lex-Rex looks impressive getting a lot bike for the money (triumph owner here)
Don't get me wrong :-)) this is a good video.
Thank you!
Yo, I took it up to 100mph, I had to 😂. I had to open her up when I test drove it. All I could do is laugh. I felt like a kid just laughing because of the power. I’m definitely an Indian guy. I’ve never been on a Harley though. One day.
Sounds like you enjoyed it! haha
I don't understand when you say the Road Glide and Challenger are 2 different kinds of bikes. They are 2 different manufacturers but they are in the same category. They are not Sport bikes or Adventure bike they are fixed fairing bagger you can actually put the Street glide and Chieftain iin that category fairing baggers. The Vaccaro, Goldwing, BMW B, and MGX21 are all in that class
The Challenger is a performance bagger. The Road Glide is a standard bagger touring bike. Other than having a fixed fairing and saddle bags, the mechanical composition of these two are vastly different. The Challenger is fully liquid cooled, has a modern mono-shock rear, inverted front forks, better brakes, and many other improvements. The Road Glide on the other hand is just a standard v-twin bagger. To add the performance upgrades the Indian has, you'd be spending thousands in the aftermarket.
Performance Bagger ? So I guess the BMW and Goldwing are performance baggers too. And I thought that the Road glide Ultra has a liquid cooled motor ?
Edward Lorentz the goldwing and bmw, are performance bikes, not considered a bagger
Edward Lorentz no it’s not a liquid cooled engine.
@@FocusedGarage Makes lots of financial sense in terms of after market to get close to a factory stock Challenger PP+108 motor...
Heat heat heat did I mention he puts off a lot of heat?
For air cooled, it felt hot. I agree.
Focused Garage did you mean for water cooled ?
wow you are in elmhurst area
iMotorsports in this video!
boogies...... haven't heard that since the 70s..... keep the slang alive.... far out..... ;)
Haha will do!
i just can’t get over the look, harley has it, this bike doesn’t no matter how much faster or better it might be, not even the dark horse version, just a lot plastic on these bikes
When you ride one, you let a lot of it slide haha.
Harley is a way better looking bike, but once I rode the Challenger, I got past its appearance quick.
I guess it must be really different in person, because I do love the RG fairing, but I think they're so generally similar looking that I'd have to go with whichever one felt better to me.
I've seen plenty of RGs over the years and owned an EG, but from all I've seen and read - and especially the power - I'm inclined to choose the Challenger.
Lower center of gravity. Road Glide has one very ugly fairing. I own a Harley-Davidson by the way.
Indian feels leagues more nimble than the Road Glide (owned a Road Glide myself).
Just negotiate a stage 2-3 in your purchase for a new Harley and it will be quicker. A simple aftermarket cam change on a 107 will make it quicker than the challenger.
I absolutely agree.
But what about the better electronics, brakes, suspension, and frame? Can't swap all that over.
Focused Garage aren’t the brakes the same on both? Don’t the 2020 Road glide and challenger both have dual disc brembos front and rear? The fairing and frame felt smaller while sitting on the the challenger, so if that matter to you great. But looking at it from the side, it looks way bulkier. I thought the electronics were both pretty good on each. The challenger i rode had a weird like knocking noise which I guess is normal, my road glide has a lot of top end noise which is annoying.
They both have Brembos, but the Indian has radial mounted calipers with much larger rotors than the Harley. I think there are more pistons in the calipers also on the Indian. Regardless, they are both great bike. I also have a 2017 Road Glide, and it makes a good amount of sewing machine noises but nothing like older Harleys lol.
Well I doubt that, watched a challenger with a stage 1 kit consistently beat a stage 4 117 Harley & this is straight out of the box
Love me some tunnel braps!!!!
One of the best parts of motorcycle riding lol.
You forgot about the garbage aluminum frame maybe that's why she's rattling up in front with the cheap plastic up on top. Otherwise in that I agree with you on the bike. In my opinion aluminum is the worst thing for a motorcycle. Anybody who lives down south especially Florida knows the problem with aluminum it just pits and turns to powder doesn't even matter if it's chromed.
dominick zappola Golding, thousands of them in Florida, no problem 🤷♂️
Sorry, goldwing
What about all the super sport bikes that have aluminum frames? What happens to those?
Most of the super bikes when they're done aren't worth anything. And as far as Honda goes Honda had a lot of problems with the aluminum frame. I talk from experience I literally have hundreds of thousands of miles under my belt at high speeds. Nothing better than a steel frame. I almost bought a Honda Goldwing a 2016. Once the dealership found out who I was they told me if I bought the bike they would not warranty it. And most of the stuff with Indian as far as the Challenger goes is garbage. I was actually at Indian today in Elkhart Indiana. They have a bike there that has 200,000 miles on it the bike is all beat the shit. Before the Challenger came out and hit the road I talked with Indian about taking a bike. Didn't want me on their bike for the fact that the type of riding I do points out all the defects. And the Indian that they have at the dealership with the 200,000 miles on it the man claims he won the Hoka Hey motorcycle challenge. He never even came close. And you also claims you wrote a hundred thousand miles in one year. But none of it is documented.
Yeah, it's a fantastic bike. It has Harley beat in many ways, but I can't get past the flimsy plastic and over-sized, bulbous, ugly fairing.
The look is one of my only gripes. lol.
Poor engineering... sound is not better then Harley... looks do not compare in anyway paint is no equal.... I can cruise 90 mph all day down the highway on my road glide I will give you this bike would probably beat a road glide in a race ... but you know I don’t remember the last time I raced on my motorcycle so that’s not really an issue ... the only thing that leaves is comfort so the only thing is if it’s more comfortable and that doesn’t overshadow all the other things that it comes in second with being design paint reliability style... because to be honest it’s butt ugly
Washing machines on wheels that is what I see. Ride a BMW K1600B and then you know you are on something substantial that can actually handle and get out if its own way,
Thanks for the comment and feedback!
@Steve Xaxa Challengers are poorly engineered, what are you talking about? The Challenger includes; lightweight cast aluminum frame, inverted front fork suspension, rear adjustable Fox hydraulic mono-shock suspension, better infotainment system which includes Apple Car Play / weather & traffic overlay, 100 watt clear stereo, Bosch lean angle sensors, dual radially mounted Brembo brakes, Metzeler Cruisetec tires, full LED lighting, and a powered windshield.
You're comment reeks from ignorance. By your own admission the HD doesn't ride as smooth but the paint is nice.
@@gabrielcocco5188 Polaris is plagued with electric and or software problems even riding fish on RUclips who bought one had to haul his back to the dealership at 400 miles.. and he is not the only one.. Polaris paint sucks... if you want me to give you the ride might be a little better but Harley ride is not bad..the infotainment is not better if that’s your opinion that’s fine but I’ll disagree.. the only other thing is you can sit in your garage and play with the windshield going up and down... that’s a joke if your trying to say that makes it better
@Steve Xaxa You sound like one of those guys that if the gas tank doesn't read "Harley Davidson" then you'd find fault. I, along with many others are saying the Challenger is better! I agree the Challenger had first year production glitches. Most were VCM related. The PowerPlus 108 is a great engine with superior design. Don't believe me, check Kevin Cameron's article from Cycle World. Every American made bike has first run production/engineering/supply chain issues. That doesn't upset me. Not addressing those oversights, in a timely manner and passing repair cost the buyer upsets me. Has the M8 sumping issue been corrected? How's that stock suspension? Want LEDs, open your wallet. Want chrome front suspension?, sure we have that part, want to roll that into your financing? Regarding sound, I'm certain your current ride has Stage 1 and/or Stage 2. Do the same with a Challenger and hear that sound. Check RidingFish's Tab exhaust w/ Zombie baffles. *(too loud for me). By the way, have you seen how many miles RidingFish put on in a short time frame...? Have you seen the places he's traveled? Heard of any major issues?
I understand these are not racing bikes. However, tell me what guy doesn't want more HP & Torque? As far as looks, that's subjective. I'm a Baby Boomer and I like the look. I never thought the front design was bulky. I like the single headlight with enclosed turn signal/daytime running LED's as standard equipment. The adjustable windshield is not gimmicky, it serves a function. Plus, I'm not a sheep, I like being different from the crowd. I also like to know I'm getting more for my hard earned money.
Your focal point is paint. I could take a Stock Challenger, add Stage 1& 2, *(although cams aren't available...YET), and custom paint the bike and be Thousands of $ ahead of a person that adds Stage 4 to a RG. *(I'm not saying this is you. I'm saying what you get stock/standard doesn't compete. Plus, the engineer is far superior.
Worst part about this bike is the looks. Ugliest bike on the market.
The looks are one of my biggest detractors on the bike. Not everyone's cup of tea.
Spot on. Not a good looking bike from any angle
Weird how that's so subjective. My friends with HDs ragged my Vic cct as ugly too, but I liked it fine. With the Vic running at 111hp and 117 ftlb tq at the wheel and
Ugly AF IMHO.
Thanks for the opinion.