FBI & MI5 Chiefs speak up, call China bigger threat than Russia, flag threat to business & tech
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- Опубликовано: 18 сен 2024
- In a rare joint address on Wednesday, the heads of MI5 and the FBI warned the world about China's commercial espionage attempts in the West. Shekhar Gupta in episode 1032 of #CutTheClutter looks at how China poses a threat to the West.
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The picture you showed is headquarters of MI 6 not MI 5.
Yes the picture & the headquarters of the building houses the MI6
Remember Shekhar the Chinese government cannot "innovate", if you stop them from stealing they will start go back to pre 1945 China.
@@zarvanali888 kee farak paindaa - a rose by another name is still a rose - okay
@@mbhang834 MI 5 is a different organisation and MI 6 is completely different
“The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.” -Thomas Jefferson
He had many slaves and produced many slave children.
The eternal pretext of imperialism is "freedom"
Iraq, Syria, Libya and countless other victims
Good Quote.👍
The same is true for democracy.
US is recieved vigilance from majority part of the world due to its inconsistence in its implementation of free speech. US have no problem of people being supressed by government that pro with US and only care if the government is against US interest.
It's the Americans who are at China's border and not vice versa
Kitney paisey miley CCP sey tujhey...?
Be careful bro to speak the truth as the deaf dumb and blind racists will call you a china sympathiser .!
@@John11747 he is only talking the truth.
@@zil1832 I would rather have america on my border than China because we have at least shared values of democracy and liberty and i can count on them to not to violate them whereas China doesn't care about these values. they are autocratic and controlling.
@@John11747 tujhe kitne mile hain sam uncle se?
Of course the US consider China its biggest threat. China has already eclipsed the US in so many ways. China has passed the US in economy way back in 2015 in terms of PPP which is a better barometer in how a nation is doing. It will pass the US in nominal GDP in 5 years. All roads lead to China and with 142 nations out of 193 in the world having signed up to the BRI todate, this cements the fact. China trades with almost all the countries in the world and less and less trades with the US. Developing nations all over the world make a beeline now to China to borrow instead of the IMF.
The US just can't compete with China that it abandoned competing and went to "hobbling", or sabotaging China. They are throwing everything including the kitchen sink to try to stop China's rise by making trouble in Xinjiang, Hongkong, Taiwan, "debts traps", etc.
About the digital/internet spying, the US keeps on accusing China of it but they are the ones being caught doing it. Remember, Snowden exposing the NSA's PRISM project where the US spies/monitors the whole internet by having control of the gateways like Apple, Amazon, Yahoo, microsoft, Goole, facebook, Skype, AOL, etc. They were also caught eavesdropping on German Chancellor phone calls with the aid of Denmark. the US was also caught spying on its european allies with the aid of NOrway. All these talks of espionage by China through Huawei and other tech companies are just diversions of the US to hide their own spying.
Good points
Yeah, America has 150 bases round the world and they all have itel capabilities. China does it slightly differently....takeaways, like the happy place and yummy rice house.
The best comment from you bro on this subject, based on logic and facts, unlike the 90% of the comments from delusional, bias and absurd attacks against China. lndia should be glad that China does not behave like the US or a full scale invasion would have happened long ago based the unsymmetrical military power of both countries. The cause of the border dispute was well illustrated in the book written by Avtar Singh Bhasin and Neville Maxwell but unfortunately, few in dians are willing to recognize the facts and the great majority choosing the ultranationalistic path with unconciliatory road of no return, undermining regional peace and possible self destruction in future confrontation with China.
麻烦你低调点
@@大毛猪乔治 lol! can't rebut anything so you even hide your pathetic response?
It's interesting how the 'internal' intelligence chiefs of both the countries came together & not the 'external'. They were probably more interested in addressing the business community rather than the geopolitical one.
Something unusual but due alarming threat by China 🇨🇳 they came together to warn those so-called liberals that China is buying them cheap
External chiefs are always together, it doesn't get televised.
Well, it was meant for the business community.
A government is just a big business you know
Govt. bonds and Forex holdings are a major weapons that China is handed over by their Govts. The issues mentioned are just insignificant. US Govt. recently released a minerals and chemicals dependency report and there seems to be many that US and UK businesses depend completely on China or Russia. In a way that gives away the production control of these businesses.
The most important episode of CTC of our times👍👍
"They don't even want to give up cheap Russian gas " ,😂😂😂
Thats very rude behaviour by Cupta ji
The eternal pretext of imperialism is "freedom"
Iraq, Syria, Libya and countless other victims
@@vikramekshinge9059 very rude guptaji 😂
Lack of information and not wanting an ED raid .
Why should they give up Russian gas?
Tibetans have been taking their lungs out regarding this demon for the last 60 years. Alas, the world could have woken a bit earlier from this Kumbhakarna kind of slumber. Perhaps too late for now.
Things will get better within the coming two decades, brother. I know it sounds wild, but trust the Dharma and fight.
The devil is keeping your population poor and starving while believing in a primitive bullshte religion
You and your family are still missing serfs and slaves you used to keep in Tibet?
印度人对西藏的理解，就像一个乞丐去想象比尔盖茨是多么的渴望乞丐的友谊。这很大程度是因为，印度人和modi只会迫害自己国内的穆斯林，会认为中国的xi也会迫害西藏人。实际上中国共产党是采用了收买的政策，而不是迫害。印度太穷了，没钱收买2亿穆斯林的。
Blem Nehru, he is not only curse for india but Tibet too, ignorant fool hoping for utopia
It means China is doing well. If India is developing like China, then they will be upset with us. Let us work to make them upset with Indias development
As if we didn't know all these were happening!! 🤣🤣
SG this by far most intriguing CTC by SG , when intelligence chiefs sound alarm bells for the general public and not to the government they report, this is then truly a threat .
If MI5 is on point, FBI giving the drama, Shekhar Ji is the master story teller. Take a bow, modern day Vyasa. 😅
I was eagerly awaiting a CTC on this!
Thank you SG!
Hi Dinesh, thanks for writing in.
That's why we should stop pushing Russia to a corner. Russia is not the enemy.
Kash tere jaise samazdar USA wale hote behen 🤲
Shouldn't have invaded Ukraine then. Russia is not the enemy, Putin is.
For that russia needs to stop invading others
Biden is a Chinese agent.
Major countries like China, US, Russia, EU have a geopolitical vision of 360 degree.
India is only focused on China.
😂
As I listened to you, I began to wonder, if US and UK can face such espionage attacks, what could be happening in India, where our security of Intellectual property, or even general security awareness is almost Nil. For all we know, Chinese may be having a field day in India. I hope that our Policy Makers and National Security experts are conscious of such possibilities and developments. But, I am pessimistic.
Many thanks for summarising these matters for our benefit.
1. The fact that those nations are more focused by CCP is because of the technological breakthroughs that's happening in there, nothing of those sorts happens in India at scale. So it would be a waste of resources for CCP to invest in here.
2. It's not like what they say, as in every case the situation in india is different. If you go through mithrokin archives or any other works from cold war, we can see that situation in India is a mess. The internal politics & governance is too much of mess for India itself, there is not much external exploitation can do to get extensive success.
pla is active in and around northeast
dont ask me how i know but it is. they pay handsomely too
What China is doing with western corporates is exactly what an ambitious nation does to protect and develop its economy: import substitution & technology transfer ….
It is Called Theft.
@@abba3629 : so in that case every nation is involved in it …
means must be as good as ends
@@abba3629 what you call the Alstom CEO detained by USA and later take over Alstom by GE for a song ? Toshiba ? Huawei founder's daughter detained ?
@@abba3629 us also stole technology in the world war era.
Now where will we get this level of detailing!!! Thanks a lot SG sir!
Just read that many of taiwan's top military brass inluding their army chief got killed in a helicopter crash in similar circumstances to our CDS Gen Rawat's tragedy.. we too need to keep our eyes & ears wide open
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台湾空军还是比印度空军强的。至少台湾空军半年发生一次坠机，不像印度空军半月发生一次坠机。
hahahahahaha
@Avenger 印度就是个笑话，被巴基斯坦玩弄
It was supplied by the US, you're looking at the wrong direction.
Shekhar you are doing great service through your committed off the track free independent journalism .
Great choice of topics Mr.Gupta!! You’re the best!!
Sir,
Very nicely explained.
Good Work Shekhar, I heard about this speech but didn't pay attention to listen to it. Just wondering in the context of Zubair being arrested & recent Agniveer protests, that how much CCP is influencing India's news, civil & policy decision-making when they have active interests around India & active border disputes. How much our government agencies know & how many of them are ignorant we don't know. This gives fodder to investigative generalism of the next level of agenda for months to come so that truth comes about in public.
No wonder the Khalibanis are publicly reaching out to them for support, because they’re covertly already being supported by them indirectly via Pakistan. The money taps are turned on at the behest of the See see pee.
If Zubair could be bought by China, can't SG be bought by US?
Don't you notice how he toes the line with pro US talking points after every SU failure ?
DnHr I don’t doubt that at all. He’s quite biased in his reporting.
@@nik6304 it's ideological too. He always has been pro capitalistic and socially liberal kinda person.
Elbridge Colby has the right look to be the next James Bond. 😆
SPACs in the US context applies to Startups. Startsup are essentially privately listed companies, if they want to raise money for an acquisition they would need to raise an IPO on their company. This might not be suitable based on the situation for the Startup, so they work around it by creating a SPAC and listing that SPAC for an acquisition of other Startups.
This was really helpful
Excellent but alarming!! How is India safeguarding her interests? Please do a separate piece.
Short answer: India is not.
We are doing precious little. Most of our data, our smartphones, computers and systems are compromised. The leadership in center and the states is not even concerned leave alone acknowledge the issue
The last time when these two countries worked together, they cooked up 'artificial' intelligence about Weapons of Mass Destruction.
So whatever they say, take it, not just with a pinch of salt, but lot of it.
Let me ask you this, do you think whatever they've said about China sounds that far fetched to you? Isn't tge Indian state facing similar challenges with the Chinese?
@@varunkhatri3199 It is just a dispute over a harsh and almost inhospitable border, China is patient waiting for India to stop acting like an emotional and petulant child and go to the negotiating table and settle it. The bloody encounter at the border never had the chinese enter indian border as even your leader MOdi admitted it. "“Nobody has intruded into our border, neither is anybody there now, nor have our posts been captured,” Modi said, referring to Ladakh’s Galwan valley, where hand-to-hand fighting between soldiers from the nuclear-armed neighbours took place earlier this week." You could google this if you want.
@@rap3208 *yawns*
@@varunkhatri3199 nah, youre not bored. You just dont know anything to rebut anything. You just lack intelligence.
Print is Doing Phenomenal job.
Very smart work by the internal intelligence agencies... A very good opportunity for India, not just to attract investment but also provide IT security services.
India has already got a world wide reputation for having call centres which specialise in digital fraud, it is only a matter of time till outsourcing is taken to other countries .. IT security you can forget about that.!
Everyone knows that China is doing this only now it is authorised by governments. But who has benefited from this. All Chinese and asian people's. We get many items at low cost. What Britain is done in 17 century and USA done in 19 century and now china is doing.
You don't benefit from the Chinese military or from Chinese economy do you? How would you? You would benefit if from India if those companies left China and went to India for business.
@@rickjames18yes indians are benefitting from Chinese industry one ex. mobile phones. Regarding the Chinese military still they had not attacked and interfered with any country incl. India.
@@sanjayjagtap1515 Are you insane or CCP troll acting like he is from India? The PLA killed several Indian soldiers from Bihar Regiment, including Colonel Santosh Babu. They also keep stealing India land while they slowly keep moving as they claim they stop. No, you must be confused person if you don't understand that.
@@rickjames18 Our Prime minister or Defence minister still has not declared that china has acquired our land.I am very sad that our soliders are martyred at chinese border.
Nowadays wars are fought for building images of parties, prime ministers or presidents.
"Hey guys, don't look at our debacle against Russia, China is the enemy now!"
6 months later: "Hey guys, don't look at our defeat against China, Iran is the enemy now!"
6 months later: "Hey guys, don't look at our humiliation against Iran...
don't you mean, against ukraine?
as in russia's crimes against ukrainians.
US is unstable, Europe is unstable, UK is declining, Africa going through civil war, China rising, India rising slowly. Story of last decade all hopes on modiji now.
Inshallah 🤲
Real name hi likh dete Akram bhai...The Print mein hum sab ko pyaar karte hey...no need to hide identity
@@mutualrespect4411
I belong to the category of those people who reffers modi as Moulana Modi hence the use of inshallah 🤲.
Akram's ancestors were vikrams 😂
@@vikramekshinge9059 savage reply bro.
@@vikramekshinge9059 but Akram says that vikram's grand grand father Prophet Adam was a Prophet. So all human beings who are sons and daughters of Adam are born Muslims but later they invented different faiths. what is vikrams take on that?
Modi ji ke jaane ke baad kya karange.. India ka kya hoga 🥲🥲
Thank you Shekhar ji
Very well summarized and presented. @Theprint
Hi Neelkanth, thanks for writing in.
We too should be taking lessons from this findings and be extremely careful. Congress party should come clean on their MOU with CCP.
Careful about what? No one wants to spy in Indian companies. For what?
I had mixed opinions when Xiaomi and Vivo we're raided. But now I'm convinced.
With all these we need strong dedicated sincere honest leadership to manage
This might be too little too late but better late than never.
There's an awesome book "The 100 year marathon" outlining precisely these strategies by CCP.
Excellent 👍🏼🙏🏼
Very nice episode
That's why I subscribed to Print!
They focus on Important issues and nitty-gritty details which are much more important and not like typical media which ignores these important statements from Members of Five-eyes...
Hi, thanks for writing in.
Namaste Shekar sir, I feel it's time you should even have a CTC channel for finance also like CNBC
Seems like a message to businesses to cut ties.
British steel is owned by Chinese what a shame
Very strange , MI5 & FBI came to know about it today , we knew it since 2002/2093 when Chinese’s companies ZTE and Huawei were coming into India ,
Thanks 🙏
Gupta ji please write a book on essay type on top 100 episode of ctc🙏
Thank you Shekar ji for a refreshing episode.
Btw, I realized a few days back that 'Tata' as an endearing expression for good-bye was certified Indian... Until I heard it in a UK based TV show
Wahaa se hee seekha hai humne sir
That moment when he said wining and dining was also used in "good English", not just in Indian English!
Here is why China is a bigger threat, India is NOT
1980: 1$ USD = 6.5 Chinese Yuan, 1$USD = 7 Indian Rupees
2022: 1$ USD = 6.5 Chinese Yuan, 1$USD = 79.1825 INR Indian Rupees ( I just checked, as of July 08, 2022)
2025: 1$ USD = 6.5 Chinese Yuan, 1$USD = 100 Indian Rupees
2050: 1$ USD = 1.0 Chinese Yuan, 1$USD = 900 Indian Rupees
This reminded of Sonia and Rahul signing something with the Chinese. What have they really compromised is a big question.
Bla bla bla china don't want your rickshaw bajaj tech😂😂😂😂😂
Excellent 👌!
Thanks!
Thank you so much. Very interesting analysis ~~
India and China are 2 exceptional countries. Both have more than 1.3 billion population & yet they manage to rule and feed their populations
That what India said fulfill the legitimate demand of Russia. Russia wouldn't be too aligned with China.
Gupta ji 🙏
Hahaha... US ki Fatt rahi hai... Forcing others to join it's war against CHINA
LOL in india there is CPI 😂😂😂😂😂😂
CPI is pro-Russian, not pro-Chinese.
If the Chinese can infiltrate in US parliament then they have already done in India. How many Indian parliamentarians would be on the Chinese payroll? All Indian unicorn startups are running on Chinese investments. Are they paying any taxes here?
You're saying indians are corrupt and be bought? Then blame yourselves and not the chinese. Two can play the game, why don't you go paying the chinese government in return? Try it.
Thank you for this amazing episode SG Sir! 🤩
SG had concluded with a note from FBI Director saying we have rule of Law and Democracy which is considered as weakness by Chinese ; We Indians can conclude that for telling this plain truth we do not need Director FBI ; Democracy is very weak in handling its security which is the most important item ; Otherwise , we would not have lost CDS Shri Bipin Rawat ;
thus, we are doomed
@@maniaphobia4719 i made a statement, it is not a question as you can see. but, putting that aside, do you think the chinese killed bipin rawat?
@@maniaphobia4719 wouldnt india alienate its western alliance in that way? and with what little 'friends' india has, india will be alienated instead, china sure doesnt like india, the west thinks everyone who wants to join their club needs to be democratic, unless they have oil, and russia is in no power position on the global stage, its relevance is only in its own neighbourhood, with india being stricter, who will be our friend its friend on the global stage?
Now you're putting words into China's mouth. China doesn't care what you are, democratic, socialist, banana republic, autocratic, etc. They don't care enough as to make a comment of the one you're attributing to them, "Rule of law and democracy blah bla blah". They have never tried pushing their political system to anyone. They have said again and again their "socialism with chinese characyeristics" work for them anthem alone, other coutries should be left to form the political system that worls for them.
@@maniaphobia4719 give me some examples of debt trap diplomacy, it's western agenda. The west does it all the time.
Nitpicking-did they show MI6 building while speaking of MI5 building?
Atleast CCP has a competent leader who can walk talk and think clearly 😁
Are you really talking about chairman “xi the poo” ?
@@sauravsuresh Winnie the Pooh definitely seems more intelligent than Dementia Joetato.
@@Myanmartiger921 going down the pan. ruclips.net/video/SLbGCHHT3F4/видео.html
When u r not a democratic country, offcourse u can walk talk & think clearly bcoz there will be no pressure from ur internal matters like opposition etc !!
@@shubh2319 so opposition affects your cognitive function 😁 wow I think your adversaries have an effect on your cognitive function as well. Get well soon dear
When top movies on espionage like Mission impossible and James Bond come alive through The Print. Good job.
I don’t think the building showed in the picture @0:36 is Thames House. The picture actually is the SIS building which houses MI6 as shown in many movies including James Bond ones. The Thames house is actually on the north bank of the river and houses the MI5 and where the event took place.
Aap london mein rehte hai?
When will 🇮🇳 wake up to 🇨🇳 threat?
At 0:33, the building photo is wrong. In the photo you are showing SIS building(MI6 Headquarters) not Thames building(MI5 Headquarters)
Will Indian business and politicians learn from this?
As much of an deshbhakt I am, but the truth is there is nothing to steal from Indian companies as in "Intellectual properties". The chinese are way ahead than us in terms of innovation ( and stealing ofcourse) . What India should be wary of is clandestine Chinese investments, which I guess Indian government has lately started to act on.
@@souvikghosh9748 corporate espionage does not always means IP theft, it can also be consumer data theft.
Not that Indian companies and individuals do not have any such IP. Why always underestimate? But there are other areas such as banking, power system, energy networks, etc etc which can be broken into to create internal chaos.
It’s new to know about Chinese, though FBI & MI5 are involved in similar acts. We have to choose better out of all.
THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH SHEKHARJI ...!!!
We ordinary people who have nothing to do with foreign espionage and stealing information... may be mistaken...It seems 'THEY ' use ordinary citizens for example Naturalized US citizens ( discretely , without their knowledge and permission ) to steal information about politics , R& D and other important think tank privileges ...from that citizen' s mother land and Adopted country...!!!
Like an old saying : "ONE SHOT , TWO BIRDS"...!!!
Info and knowledge from both countries...through legally illegal ways ...!!!
For example merely being a co tenant , a neighbor up or down , left or right ...!!!
Easy to have network connections...
Without a penny spend for it ...!!!
Governments protects VIPs. BUT in today's world of technology and social media it is more cheaper, safer and profitable to steal through ordinary educated and professional ( retired or working ) people without their knowledge ...!!!
If ordinary people talk about it, they will be treated as paranoid ...so , mostly bite the tongue and swallow it ...!!!
YOU are very knowledgeable person ...HOPE you would know what I mean...!!!
THANKS AGAIN...!!!
Is there any way a viewer can search the various episodes of CTC for a specific subject or comment? There are 1000+ episodes of CTC and sometimes one wants to view a particular episode which covers a specific subject but does not know how to find it. This will be a very useful tool if available.
Capitalism vs Communist Capitalism should be more appropriate title
Putin's speech toady: the war is not even started.!!
Wtf.?? 🥵
I mean that's what everyone would say if they failed so miserably.
@@CatOfCulture could be, but cant say for sure, time will tell
@@CatOfCulture Ukraine has already lost 20% of its territory. US/EU support to Ukraine is waning. Putin is showing no signs of backing down despite the sanctions. Rubel has reached record high value. Life in Russia is going as it is.
So how did he fail miserably !!!
@@asmirann3636 he literally tried capturing whole of Ukraine which literally had a joke of a military , Russia had the second strongest military on paper but they are being dragged on for months by a really weak country
@@CatOfCulture 😂
Why does this Chinese data policy sound so similar! 🤔
Well done print
This is an invaluable episode SG. CCP looks like an octopus with millions of tentacles sitting in space, interfering with the free world. As an espionage books fan, I wish Jonn le Carre was alive to hear the two guests.
wake up, kid
They both sound helpless...
Idle to believe it is only one side in this game that is doing stuff.
Then you must be confused or not paying attention.
Hi SG sir, can you please also do a feature on how India is fighting this threat,, How they have infiltrated into our political parties and what all is the government doing to safeguard our intersts
Best as always
Funny how these organisations have indulged in similar practices 😂
These guys often lair and there records of them lairing the past and even now
in the wake of what u said ain this CTC episode how significant is the event that congress party has received donations from Chinese Communist Party and its implications?
A cut the clutter on that is due.
I work for a company that has an app which wasn't allowed to be published on Google Android Playstore. The Huaweii approached us to submit into their AppStore on one condition. We have to add their SDK (Software Development Kit) as part of our app. We refused to comply, they refused apps without adding their own code into ours. A month later Google allowed apps like ours into playstore. It's a war on many levels being played out.
What's name of your app please.
Superb ⭐⭐🌟⭐⭐
SG sir, if you can do a CTC / National Interest on how our internal IB is able to handle similar threats from China.
I am a loyalist of CTC. I have one suggestion. U can shorten the context setting.
Hi Raja, thanks for your feedback.
Did anyone observe the advt?
There is an old folk proverb “ The wolf cried for the poor goat”.
The Chinese also bought Schiess Engineering in Germany - the company that built large machinery for manufacturing wings for Airbus airliners. They took all of Schiess's intellectual property and then shut the company down.
You already said it, it's business. business does as business does. haven't you ever heard of big companies buying companies and stripping them down and selling everything except for the parts they need?
How are Indian politicians not talking about this?
Like it sounds like Hollywood in live action and India's democratic power seems to be weak in countering this.
It felt like the meeting notes I write after a call...
The picture you have shown in the clip is the " MI6" building not "MI5". MI5 building is closer to the Parliament building.
Shekhar, it's TEMS...not TAYMS...just FYI
Wish the Indian companies, including small businesses doing business with China take note of it and act appropriately.
Ccp model way to go
No one can stop China 🇨🇳🇨🇳🇷🇺🇨🇳🇷🇺
A bit late of a warning...