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You have shown pictures of Lt. Gen. Zaheer-ul-Islam, who is a former ISI chief and infamous for sponsoring Imran Khan’s 2014 dharna against Nawaz Sharif while in office. Maj. Gen. Zaheer-ul-Islam Abbasi of the failed 1990s coup plot fame died in 2009.
Shekhar, I don't know how you could have gotten it so wrong. The person you are talking about is Lt. Gen. Zaheer-ul-Islam Abbassi who is different from the picture you are showing - that of Lt. Gen. Zaheer-ul-Islam, a completely different person who was Pakistani DG-ISI during Nawaz Sharif's 3rd term and is accused of helping Imran Khan in his infamous dharna of 2014. Such an editorial blunder is not expected from you and your team. More factual error - During Kargil, Lt. Gen. Tauqeer Zia was the Pakistani DGMO. The Pakistani DG-ISI during the Kargil war was Lt. Gen. Ziauddin Butt, someone appointed by Nawaz and mistrusted by Musharraf.
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@@prashantbhosle1765 The Channel actually thanked him for his support. First, there is nothing called "Liberando Gang Worldwide" that funds anyone. Secondly, if you don't like the channel, then don't watch it. Third, you are talking about someone's livelihood with no proof. Seems, you're receiving funds from "Self-righteousness Gang Worldwide"🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣.
On SG's comment: "On Pakistani side the analysis was done in a very Islamic way", I was like..... Wait, that is same way idea of Pakistan was conceived. That is the very reason Pakistan exists. So isn't it expected.
@@voicification They strongly believed in the martial race theory when they went into the 65 war. Professional in conduct and mannerism does not necessarily mean mindset will be rational in analysis.
@@lordvondon Hahaha when u can't comprehend with regressive Islamist patriarchal norms and customs like Halala Triple talaq, burqa, polygamy, then u blame it all on other religions. Im not a hindu and still it drives me nuts how every single guy whitewashes own sin by comparing it with Hindus this and Hindus that. And, what a misogynist u r. Peace Edit- Added the word peace.
Always fascinating to know about the unknown or lesser known parts of war and related stories. Islamisation of Pakistan army is nearly complete. You need to be a pure Islamist if you want to rise higher in ranks. Many generals as rightly mentioned in video are patrons of Islamist organizations which openly preach radicalism. Christine C Fair's book "Fighting to the End" is really an eye opener and one of the best books to understand the mindset of radicalized Pakistan army
To all those claiming that India never got control of pt 5353 I want to clarify that India never controlled that peak it was a no man's land but after kargil war pakistani army captured it so to make things even India captured point 5310 which is 1km inside pakistani territory.
Bullshit pak took peak 5353 which overlooked national highway and srinagar pak fortified it with concrete and linked multiple roads and access points india tried to retake it multiple times but failed also for several weeks india coudnt retake any of the peaks it was Clinton read his 2014 executive decision whereby he elaborated how he pressured and threatend Nawaz shareef of not just sanctions and cessation of F16'S it was the latter that concerned Pakistan hence army came back and india only retook the vacant peaks kargil was a military victory but political failure
@@MohammedShafiq-id5ov don't throw fake pakistani narrative at me pt 5353 was never under Indian control it was a no man's land you can see the 1972 Shimla agreement map for reference India did try to take control of it but was unsuccessful so in the 2000s India captured pt 5310,5165 and pt 5240 which gives a direct access to pt 5353 Regarding Nawaz Sharif's DC visit it is accepted by various pakistani officers/ military think tanks it was a desperate attempt to save the remaining Nli soldiers. In his book "Clinton tapes a president's secret diary" Bill Clinton said that I have never seen a man more desperate for ceasefire than Nawaz Sharif it was pakistan who approached USA in the first place not India. Read Ms. Nasim Zehra's book from kargil to the coup you will get to know the facts.
@@MohammedShafiq-id5ov usa was always a pro pakistan country in the past (for its personal benefit ) but want to contain india and russia. and europeans are very good at spreading propaganda lies to the world.
People often like to find "context" and "reasons" for events. Sometimes "stupidity" is simply STUPIDITY. Kargil was conceived by Musharraf post-Operation Meghdoot. It was Musharraf's "pet project". The plan was discussed with both Zia and Bhutto but nobody green-lit it. Becoming the army chief allowed Musharraf to "re-launch" the operation despite the strategy being totally outdated. Of course, India made many blunders but ultimately it was an "war of attrition" with odds favoring India.
@@suneel7053 India made two main blunders: 1) Intelligence failure: RAW failed to pre-empt the situation. Some shepherds informed the Indian Army by that time it was too late. 2) The larger than expected loss of life: Some have squarely blamed this on the then Army chief Mr. VP Malik for his tactical blunders. Even Airforce use was not favored by him. Of course, India took its time for the fear of escalation.
Chutiya tha bhai vo, kai baar ye zada aggressive ho ke khud ko bhagwaan man ne lagte hai, fir hamare jaat regiment ke thappad hi inko line pe late hai 😆
If you think the enemy is stupid you make a huge mistake. It's important to understand the other side's rationale in order to predict what might come in the future. Simply trashing the counter narrative without examining it first leads to strategical and political errors.
Shekharji I had been an avid viewer of ur narratives. I think what makes this channel apart is that here not only events are discussed, but crosslinking between them is so intense that it blows off my mind. Plus, an unbiased view unlike most influencers in social media. A hearty thanks.
Shekhar ji Chamb across Manawer river is not a tiny enclave. It contains 28 villages which were occupied by Pakistan in 1965 and 1971. The revenue record of the Chamb is still in Akhnoor and Jammu's Revenue Record Rooms. One of the most fertile areas of J&K it now has many a farm houses of Pak army officers visible in Google earth.
Why we did not recover it inspite on a winning side in 1971 is baffling. Bhutto really fooled Mrs. Indira and India. Can any source of information about this.
@@ravikumarsribhashyam8846 Indian Army captured 1730 sq km of land in POK opposite of Kargil and that land is very strategic as it helped Indian Army capture Siachen in 1984. Pakistani managed to get 120 sq km of land in Chamb. Chamb was always difficult to defend and hold because it is plain area protruding into Pakistan and surrounded by Pakistsni territory from three sides. So a brigade was required to hold Chham. So total territorial gain of India in 1971 in J&K permanently was 1730-120 = 1610 sq km.
It was not just the Indians who would retreat from heights in winters. Both sides had entered in a written agreement earlier to retreat in winters. Musharraf and his army being children of Zia, decided to violate the agreement in Winter of 1999.
Najam Sethi (the Pak journo) has done a wonderful analysis on Kargil (with many Punjabi zingers). While Pakistan lost the war decisively, one has to also look at the larger fallout: (1)The loser of this war was rewarded with Presidentship in Pak (2)The international humiliation quickly evaporated and Pak was back to being US ally post 9/11 (3)The India-West strategic alignment never really took off despite the mutual "attraction". Even now some level of DISTRUST exists (perhaps, for genuine reasons). (4) India's continued vulnerability in Kashmir.
@@CodeZero587 which kind of boost? During war games, it was decided that kargil mountains were not suitable for living during winter. But, at the same time Pakistanis were already preparing for winter stay. There was no coordination between indian army and indian air force. Indian navy had no clue what was it's role in limited warfare.
You are listening to his story , I saw it happen in 1988...... ITO opposite Maulana Azad Medical Collage. Where were you then . You were present physically in this world in during the year of 1988..
Watching from Pakistan. Love this unbiased analysis. Keep it up Sir Shekar. Wish the warmongering lot from both countries will be subdued one day and the two countries will cooperate in areas of education, science, technology, climate resilience and food security. The world stands to gain from friendly relations between India and Pakistan. Just like it is losing a lot due to our animosity.
Even all this years was thinking same ...aman ki asha...and all that catchy slogans....now i understand till your people dont vote in educated good people into your government...sorry till your army doesnt put in good people in government nothing is going to change...as long as you have regressive, army backed and islamist leaders nothing is going to change...infact things in pakistan is worsening day by day....you as educated individual must stop army running your shows...army will never want peace with india...the hate is one sided and now even fence sitting indians are fed up with your armys ways
@@sps6 I wouldn't be so complacent. We have plenty of problems and you've mentioned the main one but you should also have the grace to admit that right now you are being run by a xenophobic right wing extremist party that is affiliated with RSS an anti-muslim hindu supremacist organization. The lynchings of Muslims are rampant and the atrocities committed in Kashmir are also well documented by international journos. So stop acting like you are some white angel. Machinations in Balochistan and through Afghanistan. Can't clap with one hand. War mongerers on both sides. Allow me to return the favor: as long as you have regressive, RSS backed Hindu Supremacist Nazi leaders nothing is going to change infact things in India are worsening day by day, you as educated individual must stop RSS running your shows RSS will never want peace with Pakistan, the hate is one sided and even fence sitting Pakistanis are fed up of your Nazi ways.
Very utopian vision , but can be just a dream, never will it be a reality as long as pak army is calling the shots, prop up the government which suits it's whims.
Hey Muhammad, your dreams will come true on one condition. Just dump that medieval Arab desert cult that is spoiling you guys. Try to convert to some sane good faith like Hinduism or Buddhism which is what you people were once before. Once you leave this uncivilised, desert your community will,improve.
Unfortunately it will remain a dream. So long the Pakistan keep attaching Kashmir to any peaceful talks the status quo will continue. So much of wasted resources and time. It is like how they say , so long we keep fighting the 3rd country will keep taking advantage of the situation and earn Billions of $$$.
Shekhar ji with due respect when you said "Islamic puritanism" on 16:06 - 16:07 instead of "Islamic Radicalism" and "Against Women Rights" your inclination is well observed by the Indian audience. When it comes to criticizing Indian ex amry officers and advocates your choice of words are different.
@@shubs3566 It's no difference, like the narrative of "Partition of India" instead of "Forceful division of India by radicalizing between communities". Those who are comfortable with first narrative, they still be okay with this "Islamic puritanism" also. Isn't it?
The passion to defend "Hindustan" runs even deeper in an Indian soldier's mind. Let those "believers" (both internal and external) come with whatever might they can muster. India's defenders will send them back on the "72 Hoor Express"
@@raangnambar8816 hoor are not Hindu women...in hindu mythology it's apsara. Hoor is derived from Arabic word houri which means women of jannat. Learn some facts about your Arab lords and their language before wiggleing your tails for them. Their is a reason everyone called you people a jahil quom.
Dear SG Sir, can you please make an episode on Kaleshwaram project by Telangana government which spent almost 1.2 lakh crores which is completely not viable and like a white elephant… please do analysis and give your opinion ….
@@davidbilla8063 Kaleshwaram is lift irrigation project in 9 levels built at the cost of 1.2 lakh crores, now they realised that they have to spend minimum 50000 electricity bill per acre which is financially not viable and stopped utilising this project except for advertising by ruling government
The storytelling by Mr. SG is awesome. I can listen to him for hours. Both his voice, demeanor and Calm energy combined with well researched content gives the videos great punch. Thanks for doing this.
If Barkha's reporting was so helpful to Pakistanis, why didn't the army or the government stop her? She wasn't spying. She clearly was doing her reporting very much in public. Why didn't they stop her?
@@patmclaughlin107 cause at that time communication wasn't so fast and its very difficult to see wats helping the other side in a active war zone... however it was stopped asap in 26 11
@@deepanjalirockx5506 communication wasnt so fast but live reporting was going on. bruh do some readings before spitting out theories like some war veterans. You are diving into that same loop of whatsapp forwards.
Good Analysis. Another great book is From Kargil to the Coup by Nasim Zehra. A must read for any one wanting to find out the reasons for the Pakistani military to get into this adventure, A mistake has also been noticed. At 11:05 a picture of Lt. General Zaheer ul Islam has been pasted who was the ISI chief and had no like with Major General Zahir ul Islam Abbasi.
Dear shekhar gupta sir, along with the army and the Air force the BSF also played a very vital role in kargil war but as usual the media has forgotten to include the contribution of the BSF . while the army came down from the mountain top posts in the winter which the Pakistanis later occupied, the BSF troops never left their similar mountain top posts. That is why the Pakistanis could never capture the bsf posts. Later the army used some of these BSF posts as staging grounds for recapturing the other posts that they had lost to the Pakistanis. Even some BSF soldiers were injured in this war in action. But as usual the media and the government gives no visibility to the contribution of the BSF. I hope you could highlight this in your future reports.
Why were BSF posts occupied by BSF? Why did IA & PA leave their posts during winter? Was BSF posts at different altitudes? Or was it because different orders given by upper brass from BSF & IA?
@@fretted4life Actually BSF posts are at the same altitude but the BSF never comes down from the heights even though it is too tough during winter because they always felt that the Pakistanis could occupy the posts like what happened with the Indian army posts.
Very interesting to see the known event from an adversary's perspective. Many thanks for compiling information for this CTC. We don't often get to read the books written by Pakistanis. But, I still feel that inspite of repeated attempts by Pakistan to take Kargil, our armed forces and the government of the day let the heights occupied. That's inexcusable.
Defense Minister's recent observation about Shakti Sharada on other side of border and recent President election of Mrs. Murmu adds great perspective to Kargil Vijay divas as we celebrate Amrit Mahatsov.
Shekhar sahab, your editors have made a mistake I believe without your knowledge. They have put in pictures of Lt Gen Zaheer ul Islam who was appointed the DG ISI in 2012 and is still alive today. He is not to be confused with Maj Gen Zaheer ul Islam Abbasi who launched the operation in 1990 and was sacked in 1995 for his role in organising a coup against Benazir Bhutto and passed away in 2009.
Thanks to the The-PRINT It's lovely listening to your updates ... excellent Journalism It's A Class Apart journalism ❤ Honestly, Without any bias to the either sides
An apt subject for discussion on Vijay Diwas. Great skill, SG, that you find so much time to read so many books and articles and run a commentary on the subjects therein. “war is polarizing”. So is soccer (e.g. Europe, England), Cricket, Baseball (USA) and so on…. Tailpiece: Even Buddhism says, “War is the last resort for peace”.
This is certainly a parallel to the context we learn abt the Kargil War. Definitely going to go through all the 4 books referred by Mr. Gupta in this video.
Very scholarly analysis and with a rare insight into the historical perspective on planning / decisions on the Pakistani side. Gupta Sahib Thanks for sharing
Thank you Shekharji for the insight into the Kargil, very captivating and interesting small stories inside which otherwise we would have never come to know of. Thanks once again.
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India should have taken Lahore in 1965. That would have dislocated the Pakistan Army's jaw and dislodged its position in Pakistan politics. Opinions please??😊👍
India won the war but it took a high toll on our soldiers.The lesson to learn is for something like Kargill never to happen again.We need to improve our military hardware.Imagine what we could have done with one of those U.S Himars rocket systems.We could have finished the war alot quicker.It starts with space satellites "the eyes in the sky" followed by drones and precision guided or GPS led missiles/rockets.Also our intelligence services were caught napping with them having no idea that the Pakistanis had crossed over to our side.
How come Franklin is still advertising mutual funds in India. It is dead in most countries and replaced by etf's. India has a quite mature financial market, how come we still have mutual funds in vogue
Wonderful insight based on facts, excellent and refreshing work - thank you Shekharji and The Print team! Although we hear much about Pakistan's bearded adventurism we seem to miss how India was caught nappping.
Can you imagine in a undivided INDIA the population including Muslims in Pakistan, Bangladesh and India would have become around 75 crores . Just imagine the status of Hindus, Christians, Sikhs and Jews in an undivided INDIA
I have one feedback about this CTC, SG. While the content of this episode was a gem, the overall experience felt like trying to look for the gem in a mine. The talk didn't have enough structure and deflected from the talking point multiple times. Some of the footnotes you tried adding in between disturbed the flow of the show. If it was a book. it would be an amazing read but as a video based communication medium, it was a challenge in maintaining focus on the topic.
Kargil war is said as one of the biggest blunder of Indian intelligence…now I know why. If you ignore so many warning signs and cannot gauge psychology of your enemy…
You don't see Anti-India and anti-Hindu sentiments among Arabs and Muslims outside of Indian Subcontinent. This is because of Barelvis, Deobandis and Tableeghi Jamat which still operate in India with impunity.
Najam Sethi also did a set of interviews with Muneeb Faroukh on the Kargil war and how it evolved from a Pakistani POV. Very interesting discussion and largely in line with what was presented here. Pakistanis also never handled this war as a join operation with their navy and Air Force and severely underestimated Indian resolve to get back what was ours and our ability to bounce back after the initial setbacks. He also very right about Musharraf. The man has the IQ of a goldfish and did more damage to Pak than anyone else save Zia.
Bilkul sahi kaha Shekhar ji Mera bhi yahi vichar tha ki Pakistan ke jitne bhi general hue hain usmein sabse nakabil musarrat Pravesh hai isliye militaryli bahut jyada Kargil ke war mein Pakistan ka nuksan Kiya
The pictures used in the video are not of maj Gen Zaheer ul Islam Abbasi. They are of DG ISI LT Gen zaheer ul Islam (2012-2014). Some research perhaps!
Pak side story well brought out. Thanks. Who will bring out why and how Indians guarded their country so inefficiently that Pak could move in across a 500 Km front, uncontested, in an an area where they’re tried similar things 2-3 times in the past. Why wasn’t the top leadership of India - civil and military- sacked for this inefficiency?
Musharraf has always been rewarded for blunders, he was supposed to be court-martialled in 65, in 71 he with the SSG didn’t do much. In 80s he tried to use his SSG brigades to take Siachen got beaten back and promoted and then did Kargil and became president.
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You have shown pictures of Lt. Gen. Zaheer-ul-Islam, who is a former ISI chief and infamous for sponsoring Imran Khan’s 2014 dharna against Nawaz Sharif while in office. Maj. Gen. Zaheer-ul-Islam Abbasi of the failed 1990s coup plot fame died in 2009.
Excellent analysis of kargil conflict
@@ramamohanraokondapalli9167 factually incorrect. Pls check my comment below.
Shekhar, I don't know how you could have gotten it so wrong. The person you are talking about is Lt. Gen. Zaheer-ul-Islam Abbassi who is different from the picture you are showing - that of Lt. Gen. Zaheer-ul-Islam, a completely different person who was Pakistani DG-ISI during Nawaz Sharif's 3rd term and is accused of helping Imran Khan in his infamous dharna of 2014. Such an editorial blunder is not expected from you and your team. More factual error - During Kargil, Lt. Gen. Tauqeer Zia was the Pakistani DGMO. The Pakistani DG-ISI during the Kargil war was Lt. Gen. Ziauddin Butt, someone appointed by Nawaz and mistrusted by Musharraf.
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@@Ati-Maharathi Are you jealous that you are broke?🤣🤣🤣
@@prashantbhosle1765 The Channel actually thanked him for his support. First, there is nothing called "Liberando Gang Worldwide" that funds anyone. Secondly, if you don't like the channel, then don't watch it. Third, you are talking about someone's livelihood with no proof.
Seems, you're receiving funds from "Self-righteousness Gang Worldwide"🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣.
On SG's comment: "On Pakistani side the analysis was done in a very Islamic way", I was like..... Wait, that is same way idea of Pakistan was conceived. That is the very reason Pakistan exists. So isn't it expected.
I found that fascinating that one of the more professional armies of the world did strategic planning in this manner!
@@voicification They strongly believed in the martial race theory when they went into the 65 war. Professional in conduct and mannerism does not necessarily mean mindset will be rational in analysis.
@@fretted4life They still seriously believe that they are descendants of mughals...is it arrogance or stupidness god knows
@@voicification q we
What a load of rubbish. Just shows how much idiotic anti Muslim sentiment exists in idiotic circles.
" ur women has lost all sense of shame"
Wow, one of my muslim colleague in office said this same thing to me!
This is also commonly said among conservative Hindus.
@@lordvondon I THINK COMMON WORD BY LEFTWING TERRORISTS HINDUPHOBIC MEDIA THE PRINT.
@@lordvondon Hahaha when u can't comprehend with regressive Islamist patriarchal norms and customs like Halala Triple talaq, burqa, polygamy, then u blame it all on other religions. Im not a hindu and still it drives me nuts how every single guy whitewashes own sin by comparing it with Hindus this and Hindus that. And, what a misogynist u r. Peace
Edit- Added the word peace.
@@oncesaidlegal right
@@oncesaidlegal u are absolutely correct
Always fascinating to know about the unknown or lesser known parts of war and related stories. Islamisation of Pakistan army is nearly complete. You need to be a pure Islamist if you want to rise higher in ranks. Many generals as rightly mentioned in video are patrons of Islamist organizations which openly preach radicalism.
Christine C Fair's book "Fighting to the End" is really an eye opener and one of the best books to understand the mindset of radicalized Pakistan army
To all those claiming that India never got control of pt 5353 I want to clarify that India never controlled that peak it was a no man's land but after kargil war pakistani army captured it so to make things even India captured point 5310 which is 1km inside pakistani territory.
Bullshit pak took peak 5353 which overlooked national highway and srinagar pak fortified it with concrete and linked multiple roads and access points india tried to retake it multiple times but failed also for several weeks india coudnt retake any of the peaks it was Clinton read his 2014 executive decision whereby he elaborated how he pressured and threatend Nawaz shareef of not just sanctions and cessation of F16'S it was the latter that concerned Pakistan hence army came back and india only retook the vacant peaks kargil was a military victory but political failure
@@MohammedShafiq-id5ov don't throw fake pakistani narrative at me pt 5353 was never under Indian control it was a no man's land you can see the 1972 Shimla agreement map for reference India did try to take control of it but was unsuccessful so in the 2000s India captured pt 5310,5165 and pt 5240 which gives a direct access to pt 5353
Regarding Nawaz Sharif's DC visit it is accepted by various pakistani officers/ military think tanks it was a desperate attempt to save the remaining Nli soldiers.
In his book "Clinton tapes a president's secret diary" Bill Clinton said that I have never seen a man more desperate for ceasefire than Nawaz Sharif it was pakistan who approached USA in the first place not India. Read Ms. Nasim Zehra's book from kargil to the coup you will get to know the facts.
@@MohammedShafiq-id5ov kargil was both a military defeat and a political failure for pakistan just start reading the facts and not propaganda.
@@MohammedShafiq-id5ov LOC passes through 5353,it wasn't possible for india to control 5353, it was always a no man's land
@@MohammedShafiq-id5ov usa was always a pro pakistan country in the past (for its personal benefit ) but want to contain india and russia.
and europeans are very good at spreading propaganda lies to the world.
People often like to find "context" and "reasons" for events. Sometimes "stupidity" is simply STUPIDITY. Kargil was conceived by Musharraf post-Operation Meghdoot. It was Musharraf's "pet project". The plan was discussed with both Zia and Bhutto but nobody green-lit it. Becoming the army chief allowed Musharraf to "re-launch" the operation despite the strategy being totally outdated. Of course, India made many blunders but ultimately it was an "war of attrition" with odds favoring India.
Can you keep it short and explain the blunders made by India?
@@suneel7053 India made two main blunders: 1) Intelligence failure: RAW failed to pre-empt the situation. Some shepherds informed the Indian Army by that time it was too late.
2) The larger than expected loss of life: Some have squarely blamed this on the then Army chief Mr. VP Malik for his tactical blunders. Even Airforce use was not favored by him. Of course, India took its time for the fear of escalation.
@@sankalp6872 No.. Had the air force been used early, perhaps there would not have been so many casualties on Indian side.
Chutiya tha bhai vo, kai baar ye zada aggressive ho ke khud ko bhagwaan man ne lagte hai, fir hamare jaat regiment ke thappad hi inko line pe late hai 😆
If you think the enemy is stupid you make a huge mistake. It's important to understand the other side's rationale in order to predict what might come in the future. Simply trashing the counter narrative without examining it first leads to strategical and political errors.
Shekharji I had been an avid viewer of ur narratives. I think what makes this channel apart is that here not only events are discussed, but crosslinking between them is so intense that it blows off my mind. Plus, an unbiased view unlike most influencers in social media. A hearty thanks.
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Shekhar ji Chamb across Manawer river is not a tiny enclave. It contains 28 villages which were occupied by Pakistan in 1965 and 1971. The revenue record of the Chamb is still in Akhnoor and Jammu's Revenue Record Rooms. One of the most fertile areas of J&K it now has many a farm houses of Pak army officers visible in Google earth.
Indian State has always taken pride in giving away parts of Bharat to enemy states and media outlets spreading disinformation.
Then in the event of war , Indian Army artillery will have easy time killing Pak Army Officers and their families.
Why we did not recover it inspite on a winning side in 1971 is baffling. Bhutto really fooled Mrs. Indira and India. Can any source of information about this.
@@ravikumarsribhashyam8846 Indian Army captured 1730 sq km of land in POK opposite of Kargil and that land is very strategic as it helped Indian Army capture Siachen in 1984.
Pakistani managed to get 120 sq km of land in Chamb. Chamb was always difficult to defend and hold because it is plain area protruding into Pakistan and surrounded by Pakistsni territory from three sides. So a brigade was required to hold Chham.
So total territorial gain of India in 1971 in J&K permanently was 1730-120 = 1610 sq km.
Chhamb is one of the most difficult area to defend in whole Jammu sector. And has no strategic importance. So better calculation to let chhamb go
It was not just the Indians who would retreat from heights in winters. Both sides had entered in a written agreement earlier to retreat in winters. Musharraf and his army being children of Zia, decided to violate the agreement in Winter of 1999.
Bravo Gupta ji ! You were in full form 👍🏼 I demand a part - 2 of this CTC.
Do an episode on AP financial crisis.......no one noticing at national level....it should definitely impact country's overall growth
Yes please give some attention to AP situation and how it is can be an example of financial mismanagement
Same situation here in Punjab
@@acash5996 What crisis? I thought you guys are getting "free electricity" now.
@@sankalp6872 These freebies will only lead to crises
@@sankalp6872 and UP walaa bhaiyas are getting free ration , ask KATTAR HINDU Yogi to respond too
Najam Sethi (the Pak journo) has done a wonderful analysis on Kargil (with many Punjabi zingers). While Pakistan lost the war decisively, one has to also look at the larger fallout: (1)The loser of this war was rewarded with Presidentship in Pak (2)The international humiliation quickly evaporated and Pak was back to being US ally post 9/11 (3)The India-West strategic alignment never really took off despite the mutual "attraction". Even now some level of DISTRUST exists (perhaps, for genuine reasons). (4) India's continued vulnerability in Kashmir.
Link?
Was not rewarded; he imposed Martial Law.
What about the colosal moral and national pride bost for us?
@@CodeZero587 which kind of boost?
During war games, it was decided that kargil mountains were not suitable for living during winter. But, at the same time Pakistanis were already preparing for winter stay.
There was no coordination between indian army and indian air force.
Indian navy had no clue what was it's role in limited warfare.
You beat me to it. Haha. I said the same thing
oh what a fascinating cut the clutter. wished you would go on and on. thoroughly enjoyed. story telling at its best.
You are listening to his story , I saw it happen in 1988...... ITO opposite Maulana Azad Medical Collage. Where were you then . You were present physically in this world in during the year of 1988..
Watching from Pakistan. Love this unbiased analysis.
Keep it up Sir Shekar.
Wish the warmongering lot from both countries will be subdued one day and the two countries will cooperate in areas of education, science, technology, climate resilience and food security. The world stands to gain from friendly relations between India and Pakistan. Just like it is losing a lot due to our animosity.
Even all this years was thinking same ...aman ki asha...and all that catchy slogans....now i understand till your people dont vote in educated good people into your government...sorry till your army doesnt put in good people in government nothing is going to change...as long as you have regressive, army backed and islamist leaders nothing is going to change...infact things in pakistan is worsening day by day....you as educated individual must stop army running your shows...army will never want peace with india...the hate is one sided and now even fence sitting indians are fed up with your armys ways
@@sps6 I wouldn't be so complacent. We have plenty of problems and you've mentioned the main one but you should also have the grace to admit that right now you are being run by a xenophobic right wing extremist party that is affiliated with RSS an anti-muslim hindu supremacist organization. The lynchings of Muslims are rampant and the atrocities committed in Kashmir are also well documented by international journos. So stop acting like you are some white angel. Machinations in Balochistan and through Afghanistan. Can't clap with one hand. War mongerers on both sides. Allow me to return the favor: as long as you have regressive, RSS backed Hindu Supremacist Nazi leaders nothing is going to change infact things in India are worsening day by day, you as educated individual must stop RSS running your shows RSS will never want peace with Pakistan, the hate is one sided and even fence sitting Pakistanis are fed up of your Nazi ways.
Very utopian vision , but can be just a dream, never will it be a reality as long as pak army is calling the shots, prop up the government which suits it's whims.
Hey Muhammad, your dreams will come true on one condition. Just dump that medieval Arab desert cult that is spoiling you guys. Try to convert to some sane good faith like Hinduism or Buddhism which is what you people were once before. Once you leave this uncivilised, desert your community will,improve.
Unfortunately it will remain a dream. So long the Pakistan keep attaching Kashmir to any peaceful talks the status quo will continue. So much of wasted resources and time. It is like how they say , so long we keep fighting the 3rd country will keep taking advantage of the situation and earn Billions of $$$.
You tell the whole sotry as a neutral person .Love from Pakistan .
SG sir's CTC is both a learning and joy. Thank you sir. Keep thriving.
Hi Suneel,
Thank you for your appreciation. Do keep writing in.
Shekhar ji with due respect when you said "Islamic puritanism" on 16:06 - 16:07 instead of "Islamic Radicalism" and "Against Women Rights" your inclination is well observed by the Indian audience. When it comes to criticizing Indian ex amry officers and advocates your choice of words are different.
Is there a difference really?
@@shubs3566 It's no difference, like the narrative of "Partition of India" instead of "Forceful division of India by radicalizing between communities". Those who are comfortable with first narrative, they still be okay with this "Islamic puritanism" also. Isn't it?
@@avishekbhattacherjee1188 well said
It's the Leftist childhood & grooming.
However much the person changes with new circumstances .. the initial mindset is Always there.
One of the best episodes of CTC, Thanks.
Remember Kargil wouldnt have happened if our intelligence wasnt sleeping
Gazwa Hind...runs deeps inside a believers mind.
The passion to defend "Hindustan" runs even deeper in an Indian soldier's mind. Let those "believers" (both internal and external) come with whatever might they can muster. India's defenders will send them back on the "72 Hoor Express"
@@sankalp6872 says after giving hoors for 1000 years to the believers. 😂
@@raangnambar8816 which hoor...?? Aisha...?? I don't think she was an Indian.
@@sahilnegi4071 she's not Indian that's why she is not hoor 😂. Hoors are Hindu women who served believers for 1000 years.
@@raangnambar8816 hoor are not Hindu women...in hindu mythology it's apsara. Hoor is derived from Arabic word houri which means women of jannat. Learn some facts about your Arab lords and their language before wiggleing your tails for them. Their is a reason everyone called you people a jahil quom.
This Mutual fund ad should be made a permanent intro. Gets me every time
Subjects to market risks :)
Thanks!
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Dear SG Sir, can you please make an episode on Kaleshwaram project by Telangana government which spent almost 1.2 lakh crores which is completely not viable and like a white elephant… please do analysis and give your opinion ….
People get what they deserve. Another family dynasty good for nothing
Yeah i wonder what happened to that project there's no big news about this, last year there was a hype about this project
@@davidbilla8063 Kaleshwaram is lift irrigation project in 9 levels built at the cost of 1.2 lakh crores, now they realised that they have to spend minimum 50000 electricity bill per acre which is financially not viable and stopped utilising this project except for advertising by ruling government
@@Drkp23 oh kk many indian youtubers hyped this project even I've seen Vedios of big building size water pumps in underground thanks for the update
KCR and his family were looters. Everyone who said it was labelled as anti Telangana. This is why smart people should be elected
Thanks
Fantastic acount from the other side.... about KARGIL.... YOU are real master of narration....
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Jai Hind 🙏🏼
Kuth Kay Bolave kalale pahije
Gupta ji, you have perfected the art of storytelling..
The storytelling by Mr. SG is awesome. I can listen to him for hours. Both his voice, demeanor and Calm energy combined with well researched content gives the videos great punch. Thanks for doing this.
He is quite the voice of Hindutva isn't he. Pity he can't speak English very well. But is better in Hindi.
@@ishyandmikkischannel8811 do you know the funny thing about being a Muslim? Either you're a terrorist or not a good Muslim.
But infiltraters are still sitting inside and is 1/2 front of 2½ front.
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1:37 that young reporter was barkha dutt I guess.
And her live war reporting were very helpful to Pakistan's
Was it actually her?
Bruh I thought the "brain-dead anti-national" claims were exaggerated
@@tge2102 NDTV did it again on 26/11, I think with maybe a few other channels. No prizes for guessing who was reporting for NDTV
If Barkha's reporting was so helpful to Pakistanis, why didn't the army or the government stop her? She wasn't spying. She clearly was doing her reporting very much in public. Why didn't they stop her?
@@patmclaughlin107 cause at that time communication wasn't so fast and its very difficult to see wats helping the other side in a active war zone... however it was stopped asap in 26 11
@@deepanjalirockx5506 communication wasnt so fast but live reporting was going on. bruh do some readings before spitting out theories like some war veterans. You are diving into that same loop of whatsapp forwards.
Good Analysis. Another great book is From Kargil to the Coup by Nasim Zehra. A must read for any one wanting to find out the reasons for the Pakistani military to get into this adventure, A mistake has also been noticed. At 11:05 a picture of Lt. General Zaheer ul Islam has been pasted who was the ISI chief and had no like with Major General Zahir ul Islam Abbasi.
Dear shekhar gupta sir, along with the army and the Air force the BSF also played a very vital role in kargil war but as usual the media has forgotten to include the contribution of the BSF . while the army came down from the mountain top posts in the winter which the Pakistanis later occupied, the BSF troops never left their similar mountain top posts. That is why the Pakistanis could never capture the bsf posts. Later the army used some of these BSF posts as staging grounds for recapturing the other posts that they had lost to the Pakistanis. Even some BSF soldiers were injured in this war in action. But as usual the media and the government gives no visibility to the contribution of the BSF. I hope you could highlight this in your future reports.
Why were BSF posts occupied by BSF? Why did IA & PA leave their posts during winter? Was BSF posts at different altitudes? Or was it because different orders given by upper brass from BSF & IA?
@@fretted4life
Actually BSF posts are at the same altitude but the BSF never comes down from the heights even though it is too tough during winter because they always felt that the Pakistanis could occupy the posts like what happened with the Indian army posts.
I feel bad for BSF and Assam Rifles today. same work with the army, less pay.
@@fretted4life india and Pakistan had mutual agreement to drop down from the mountains during winter offcourse pak took advantage
That was an odd add in the beginning 😅
Very interesting to see the known event from an adversary's perspective. Many thanks for compiling information for this CTC. We don't often get to read the books written by Pakistanis. But, I still feel that inspite of repeated attempts by Pakistan to take Kargil, our armed forces and the government of the day let the heights occupied. That's inexcusable.
Hi Gururaj,
Glad you liked this CTC!
Defense Minister's recent observation about Shakti Sharada on other side of border and recent President election of Mrs. Murmu adds great perspective to Kargil Vijay divas as we celebrate Amrit Mahatsov.
Shekhar sahab, your editors have made a mistake I believe without your knowledge.
They have put in pictures of Lt Gen Zaheer ul Islam who was appointed the DG ISI in 2012 and is still alive today.
He is not to be confused with Maj Gen Zaheer ul Islam Abbasi who launched the operation in 1990 and was sacked in 1995 for his role in organising a coup against Benazir Bhutto and passed away in 2009.
This means Tablighi jamaat is a radical organization.......not spiritual or even religious
Too short. The ctc ended just as soon as it was getting started. We need an extended version!! 🙏🏼
Thanks to the The-PRINT
It's lovely listening to your updates ... excellent Journalism
It's A Class Apart journalism ❤
Honestly, Without any bias to the either sides
For the first time I am hearing why Kargil is important and it even has a interesting history
I m speechless❤️👏🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳 hats off
Never knew about this Kargil incident of 1980. People should know more about this conflict and the India-China conflict of 1967.
An apt subject for discussion on Vijay Diwas. Great skill, SG, that you find so much time to read so many books and articles and run a commentary on the subjects therein.
“war is polarizing”. So is soccer (e.g. Europe, England), Cricket, Baseball (USA) and so on….
Tailpiece: Even Buddhism says, “War is the last resort for peace”.
Dear Mr Vishwanathan,
Thank you for your appreciation. It is always so heartening to read your comments.
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It always satisfying to see Pakistan humiliated specially those Islamists. Nevertheless it was a geat informative video. 👍
Always waiting for the video
picture used is not of general zahir ul islam abbasi it is of recent general zahir ur islam ..both are different
Pure Gold information, Thanks SG
Thank you the print for so well made video
Sir your dedication is next level
Plz continue to educate us
Indian Territorial Army is the best territorial army in the world. Jai Hind 🇮🇳
This is certainly a parallel to the context we learn abt the Kargil War. Definitely going to go through all the 4 books referred by Mr. Gupta in this video.
India 🇮🇳 is the best country in the world. Jai Hind 🇮🇳
Indian Forces are the best forces in the world. Jai Hind 🇮🇳
Very scholarly analysis and with a rare insight into the historical perspective on planning / decisions on the Pakistani side. Gupta Sahib Thanks for sharing
Thank you Shekharji for the insight into the Kargil, very captivating and interesting small stories inside which otherwise we would have never come to know of. Thanks once again.
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Thanks a lot sir.Your analysis is always great. This video was one of your best.
This is very very good. Unbiased🙌
Who's the Lady in distress, apun ready hai for the save 😎
Gupta ji, you can become a film director yourself. You put everything so well.
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India should have taken Lahore in 1965.
That would have dislocated the Pakistan Army's jaw and dislodged its position in Pakistan politics.
Opinions please??😊👍
Photograph at 7:30 appears to be of Tsomgo lake, Gangtok and its periphery and not anywhere near Kargil.
Indian Army is the best army in the world. Jai Hind 🇮🇳
Shekhar sir, you mentioned you'll say something about the involvement of the navy but I guess you forgot? Or did I not pay enough attention 🤔
I still remember kargil war we were in final year of college ...it was great elation hearing our victory
From "Kargil to the Coup" is an excellent account too. And "Letters from Iwo Jima" isn't a sequel - both the movies were released simultaneously
One of the best CTC episodes! 👍
Indian Military is the best military in the world. Jai Hind 🇮🇳
Super talk .. Mr. Gupta ... Thanks
India won the war but it took a high toll on our soldiers.The lesson to learn is for something like Kargill never to happen again.We need to improve our military hardware.Imagine what we could have done with one of those U.S Himars rocket systems.We could have finished the war alot quicker.It starts with space satellites "the eyes in the sky" followed by drones and precision guided or GPS led missiles/rockets.Also our intelligence services were caught napping with them having no idea that the Pakistanis had crossed over to our side.
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Sir please share your written note pdf on that news
Excellent episode. Thank you Shekhar ji.
Mr Shekhar Gupta, though I watch all your vlogs, most of the times not agreeing to typical one sided views, this I must say is a fascinating account.
Great information ..On Kargil.
How come Franklin is still advertising mutual funds in India. It is dead in most countries and replaced by etf's. India has a quite mature financial market, how come we still have mutual funds in vogue
Very interesting episode. Many facts and issues related to Kargil war unknown to common people have been discussed candidly.
Hi Pushpender,
Happy to note that you liked this episode of CTC.
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16:50 shireen a scholar man you got me their 😂😂😂
Wonderful insight based on facts, excellent and refreshing work - thank you Shekharji and The Print team!
Although we hear much about Pakistan's bearded adventurism we seem to miss how India was caught nappping.
Absolutely Brilliant
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Can you imagine in a undivided INDIA the population including Muslims in Pakistan, Bangladesh and India would have become around 75 crores . Just imagine the status of Hindus, Christians, Sikhs and Jews in an undivided INDIA
Second class citizen
"Insalla boys played well"
- Admiral General Air Marshal Paxtan.
SG, great coverage!!
I have one feedback about this CTC, SG. While the content of this episode was a gem, the overall experience felt like trying to look for the gem in a mine. The talk didn't have enough structure and deflected from the talking point multiple times. Some of the footnotes you tried adding in between disturbed the flow of the show. If it was a book. it would be an amazing read but as a video based communication medium, it was a challenge in maintaining focus on the topic.
Yes the diversion to Abbasi's story could be handled better I feel
Hi Aniket,
Thank you for your feedback.
Most detailed analysis ❤️
A correction - ISI chief at the time of Kargil war was not Tauqir Zia but Khwaja Ziauddin Butt
Kargil war is said as one of the biggest blunder of Indian intelligence…now I know why. If you ignore so many warning signs and cannot gauge psychology of your enemy…
very good information Shekhar sir
Jai Hind Shekhar sir
You don't see Anti-India and anti-Hindu sentiments among Arabs and Muslims outside of Indian Subcontinent.
This is because of Barelvis, Deobandis and Tableeghi Jamat which still operate in India with impunity.
Very nice article... insightful.. Revealing.
Najam Sethi also did a set of interviews with Muneeb Faroukh on the Kargil war and how it evolved from a Pakistani POV. Very interesting discussion and largely in line with what was presented here. Pakistanis also never handled this war as a join operation with their navy and Air Force and severely underestimated Indian resolve to get back what was ours and our ability to bounce back after the initial setbacks. He also very right about Musharraf. The man has the IQ of a goldfish and did more damage to Pak than anyone else save Zia.
Can you share the link
Thank you..very informative and interesting.
Hi Anuradha,
Glad you enjoyed it!
Bilkul sahi kaha Shekhar ji Mera bhi yahi vichar tha ki Pakistan ke jitne bhi general hue hain usmein sabse nakabil musarrat Pravesh hai isliye militaryli bahut jyada Kargil ke war mein Pakistan ka nuksan Kiya
The pictures used in the video are not of maj Gen Zaheer ul Islam Abbasi. They are of DG ISI LT Gen zaheer ul Islam (2012-2014).
Some research perhaps!
Very nice episode sir 👳👳🇮🇳👍👍👍
Pak side story well brought out. Thanks.
Who will bring out why and how Indians guarded their country so inefficiently that Pak could move in across a 500 Km front, uncontested, in an an area where they’re tried similar things 2-3 times in the past.
Why wasn’t the top leadership of India - civil and military- sacked for this inefficiency?
Musharraf has always been rewarded for blunders, he was supposed to be court-martialled in 65, in 71 he with the SSG didn’t do much. In 80s he tried to use his SSG brigades to take Siachen got beaten back and promoted and then did Kargil and became president.