Transgender Identities, the Church, and Scripture: A Conversation with Preston Sprinkle
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- Опубликовано: 4 авг 2020
- How should Christians think about transgender identities? What does science and Scripture show? Join me and Preston Sprinkle for an important conversation about these questions and more.
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You guys are the few Christians reaching out to gays. I was converted to Christ 30 years ago, but I am being rejected as gay even though I am resolute to follow the Lord in celibacy. I am Cuban of origin, and came to US in 1990. My congregation is also Spanish, and very prejudiced against homosexuals. Please, keep us in your prayers because I'm a true believer. I would love to talk to someone who is able or willing to listen and guide me. I am praying daily for guidence. Thank you ❤
Maybe you should ask to share your testimony in front of your congregation, and use the opportunity to educate and shed light on SSA Christians living for Christ according to the complete witness of the Bible's sexual ethic! Be Well!
They don't want me to speak a word there, sister. I've tried and they denied me. They have shut the door for a sinner of my "kind"
I love the Lord and the Lord Jesus loves me. Their attitude have not changed my heart or mind about the Lord and His Word. I struggle with my sin daily. I know I've been forgiven and Justified in virtue of Christ's atoning death and resurrection. By His grace I still devoted to Bible study and prayer. Therefore I know He will open doors for me. Please keep me in your prayers. ❤
@@lienlael3196 Bless you for sharing your heart with strangers! It pains me that your congregation is not supporting you in your struggles. We all sin, we all have our certain area of weakness, and they are not all the same. Just as we are all created with different personalities and body types, we are all drawn to different flames of sin. You are brave to confess yours not only to God, but aloud to the world! And you know as a believer, God will never leave you or forsake you.
If you're committed to living celibate because you love Jesus then you're doing a good thing. I'm sorry some people have rejected you. You recognized you needed to change some things and are trying to. God bless you
God bless you and keep you, Lien!!!! You are CHOSEN by the Lord Jesus Christ and He LOVES YOU. You are special and important and can and will stay strong with the Holy Spirit. You got this. We LOVE YOU!!! 💕❤️💖💖💕💕❤️💕
I am retired and transitioned M to F in 1990 with Dr, Seghers, Brussels, Belgium. As a young pre-school individual, I cried when my father had me get a brush-cut, rather than let me have long hair. A relative, two generations younger is going through transgender change. I suffered horribly before transitioning but had such peace after transitioning.
Great interview! If I was a kid growing up during this time, I would have labeled myself transgender. As far back as I could remember, I wore boys clothes, played boy games, and had boy friends. I cut my hair short and would not wear a bra when the time came. I looked like a boy and many people thought I was, which made me super happy. I remember crying myself to sleep, wishing I was born a boy.
When Preston shared the statistics of adolescents that reverse this gender dimorphism at puberty as over 60%, I thought, wow that was me. When I went through puberty (rather late) I started to be interested in wearing more feminine clothes, wearing makeup, interested in boys, etc. I was 15 years old. My personality didn’t change, I still am more analytical and less emotional, (which are stereotypes of course), but I wonder how my mental health would be today if puberty blockers and hormones were being pushed on children in the 1980s???
An interest in climbing trees changing after puberty into an interest in makeup is nothing to do with gender dysphoria.
Dysphoria is a conviction that your assigned gender is the wrong one. There are girly trans men and trans women who like cars.
I think back in the 80's, girls were just allowed to be "tomboys" at a young age and not labeled as "trans" because we liked more masculine clothing, games, sports, guy friends, etc. We were allowed to mature normally as opposed to being indoctrinated into a particular group think. I think the majority of this issue is a cultural one right now- not an organic one. The statistics for "transgenderism" in America have gone up exponentially the last several years, and that isn't a normal occurrence. That's not to say there arent people with legitimate body dysmorphia, it's just such a minute number compared to what we're led to believe.
Most women go through these feelings when they are children befor puberty. And so do some men when your a child you can play dress up as a woman. This does not mean you are a woman if you are a man and it does not mean you are a boy if you were born a girl. It means you liked the opposite sex and admired how or what you thought there life was like, or wanted to play dress up and have fun, or just liked acting that way for fun, or wasn't guided and or just liked the opposite sex stereotype things. . So you wanted to identify with that nature. But that is why it's so true that God doesn't make mistakes and shows us who we are by staying the course and embracing our God given male or female genders and yes that means sex to. So when we do that we can be comfortable in our own skin. Remember that God made us all peculiar. In fact it says in the Bible. We are a peculiar people , that means strange or unusual. That means that God made us all individual and special. Just because you have masculine traits and your a girl does not mean you are a boy. And vise versa, just because you have feminine features higher check bone structure or feminine hands or features as a man does not make you a woman. Out genders are not changeable. We need to embrace who we are as individuals and as the sex and gender God has made us to be. When we do that there is no need to change anything . God says to come as yoy are.that means nothing added and nothing changed. So we can be ourselves and realize that God loves us unconditionally. Once we recognize this and then know what sins are and then man or woman we can strive to not sin. That is what is biblical to confess our sins one to another and lift each other up and to deny and turn from our sins. But most want to have permission to sin from there fellow man. Thus the homosexual agenda and the Trans movement now it shows people pushing to want there sins accepted. If I went to you and was a person who constantly lied and said just accept me for who I am . If I'm lieing is that a sin ? The answer is yes. Should I expect others to just embrace that? No ofcourse not. And that is what people are doing when forcing a Trans agenda there asking us to embrace that they are a lier. Because God made them male and female if your born a woman you are a woman. I'm not talking about intersex people. Those are an exception and we need to realize that God has come in Jesus to set the captives free. You are freed in Jesus name amen. You can embrace who God created you to be. Don't be a lier .if your born a man you are a man. God can not be mocked. Let's celebrate who we as God has created us to be. In all our complexities. Just because you are a bit endogenous does not mean you can change or would beable to change your sex. It just means your endogenous. Your still a man or your still a female. Godbless you all.
@@nicolab2075 that's not Trans to like other strro types of the opposite sex. That's just likeing things.
@@TheBottemLine Did I say different??
I appreciate the compassion that both of you guys put into this video. As a nurse I understand that the biology behind intersex is a real thing. But as a preacher I feel the fear behind addressing the issue. Thank you guys for a well thought out video on the topic.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I really appreciate this conversation! Thank you Preston and Sean for conducting such a respectful, kind conversation about the biblical view of being transgender!
Thank you... I am trying to lovingly understand my transgender adult child...lots of information here and with no condemnations...
The human body is incredibly complex. Sexuality goes far beyond genitalia. Hormones and chemical balances play a vital role. I hope you look to science for better understanding than a capricious god religion that is filled with ignorance.
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That's just it. With Christianity there is only condemnation in the end for those of us who don't fit your preconceived molds. We are no all created equal. Some of us are just god's punching bags.
@@donovanscabbia6770 Really Jesus was the real punching bag for us, I hope one day you can see the amount of love he has for you. If you turn to Jesus with your sin he will help, he is the only help.
Also there is no preconceived molds. No one is perfect in God's eyes and we all struggle with sins. I understand that's hard to see but it is truth. Let God help mold your ❤
I have gender disorder iam trying again i was born with an x chromosome lived my life for over 20 years as a girl now iam back to .being me with God's help no books no therapy just prayer and trust Jesus and accept my singleness as well I went to doctors and did my psychology test for 1 year as well
Praying for your dependence on Jesus ❤️
Praying for you Michael! God bless!
That's hard. I pray that God would be with you and give you comfort and wisdom. And that your salvation would be in Jesus. I'm glad you're trying to get medical and spiritual help. God bless you in Jesus Christ.
God is our Help!
May your identity be found in Christ only and He show you the way apart from biology, culture, feelings...❤🙏
This was just fantastic. I'm so glad that Sean introduced me to the work of Preston Sprinkle (and not just because his name makes me think of cupcakes!)
I know I'm quite off topic but does anyone know of a good place to watch new series online ?
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There's not a lot of resources out there that cover transgender identities with such compassion and appreciation for nuance. Well done!
Good work, brothers. Preach the gospel to EVERY LIVING CREATURE.
Men of compassion and grace. Christ like elegance. I was literally moved by such wise men with such profound humility. That said, Sean's head is so big on this segment. I could nearly count his pours, lol. Not a bad face, just so up close and personal.
I agree. Almost done with a new setup for my streams. Stay tuned!
Interesting. Definitely praying for all wrestling with this. Ultimately our problem is sin, that is our struggle. I pray we all extend the grace to others we have received from God and that grace leads us all to repentance and obedience to Christ🙏🏾
Well said
This was excellent, thanks Preston thanks Sean
I am a transgender Exvangelical. I didn't want to leave my faith, but I found the Evangelical church's answers to LGBTQ issues too unjust. I appreciate the admonition for Evangelicals to use our pronouns. With how I present, it would be awkward at this point to do otherwise. But also, I can assure you, trans people do not take your use of our pronouns as advocating our choices. You all have made that abundantly clear. If you choose to use my pronouns, I assume you are just being civil. And I very much appreciate it.
It's honestly just basic courtesy. I'm an evangelical Christian years ago I was going to church and thought I found a potential good friend, but she cursed a lot and so I asked her to please not do it in front of me. She refused and I broke off the budding friendship because if you cannot afford me that simple respect as a human being, much less being of a religion that advocates respect, there's no way I can trust you to do more in depth things. It's the same with people who are trans. I'm sorry that you got such rejection from Christians. I may disagree on it, but I'm never not going to be respectful about it. I'm glad I found Sean's channel because honestly it's discouraging how no one seems to be speaking up about being respectful so it's extremely refreshing to see.
@@sarahsays194 My aunt not only refuses to call me by my pronouns but said IM going to hell if I dont change..never mind that i accepted Jesus at age 14, she still thinks as a trans gender woman I am bound for Hell.
The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.
Yes, that is a good passage on the topic of spiritual wisdom, which even the “infants in Christ” Corinthians did not understand. This wisdom should not be conflated with the gospel.
He is on point answering the questions. May God bless you 🙏🏽
Great interview, both questions & answers. Balanced, intelligent & loving.
Keep the bible simple it does not conform to worldly standards unfortunately these 2 are conforming to their feelings not biblical standards the Bible is not about big words it is simplified these so called Christian's are not born again that sure is left out of christian conversation which is left out of theirs they need to get it right we always want to be sensitive to the world God is not about pride and that is what the lgbt community goes with
@@kevinalston5492 thank you for telling truth …..
Such a great conversation and very helpful too!
People don’t like hearing the truth, when we allow our emotion and our feelings to get in the way.
I am so grateful you are bringing light to these issues. I am so passionate about this, as a Born Again mom of 2 gay daughters I have struggled with my faith. We fostered over 50 kids in the CWS in Utah. Agencies had a difficult time placing transgender kids. We loved 2 transgender teens both MTF. It broke my heart how they were treated and it was known that very few families would take them in. I have now started a community where parents can come ad share resources, have a confidant and learn how to walk in love and truth as we speak and teach the about their true identity and destiny. May God continue to use you both to reach our LGBTQ community 💜
So glad it was helpful. God bless you, and I pray He gives you strength.
@machiavelli science We don't always do that: ruclips.net/video/OW12NwudLHc/видео.html
@@SeanMcDowell hi there Sean trying to communicate about my transgender struggle and gay struggle hope I hear from you I've watched most if your videos
@@michaelsamuels9901 👍
I would not have suggested this in the last century but in the 21st century I see a very big spiritual battle component as far as why we see such an unprecedented rise in identifying as transgender. While I appreciated this conversation and the loving tone, I feel like it was lacking a very large component by leaving out how the Enemy uses this issue for his purposes in these last days that I believe we are in. So it was great and helpful but incomplete in my mind. I do see it, in part, as a huge spiritual battleground. We ignore this to our collective failure. Fighting this spiritual battle is part of loving people.
I totally see what you're saying! I think it is something that these guys looked at from some more pragmatic aspects- but I agree with you- there is a spiritual reality underneath that's not really talked about in this discussion.
Annie...I believe the MSM and schools have a lot to do with the increase. A fact is that every person has some identity with both sexes. Some days I feel more like a guy and as a whole would rather work with men than women. I am a woman and like that! But as a child someone might have suggested I was a boy cuz I played with GIJoes and trucks!
Please pray for my son age 36 that thinks he is now female. He never showed signs of this but is very desperate to fit in somewhere. He estranged himself from our family four years ago.
I will pray for your son. Remember to keep the door open.
If your child has GD as severe as I did, their transition saved their life.
As Preston pointed out, the best way to make sure you don’t have a relationship with a trans person is to use the wrong pronouns. As a transgender Christian, I can attest. It’s not a matter of integrity, it’s a matter of pain. If a person refuses to use my pronouns, I won’t have a relationship with them. It’s too painful, and it’s just not worth it.
@@sedacollier1602 I suggest watching Beckett Cook.
@@flowerpower3618 why?
@@flowerpower3618 Seriously, why? Cook is or was gay. What does that have to do with trans? I honestly don't understand why you suggest this.
Thank you for equipping us with balanced truth and science
Of course!
All of the questions regarding how to deal with people who struggle with these issues really share the same answer. God is the only one who will judge mankind and His Word is our guide. We should love people as best we can. Some we will pour vast amounts of time into. Others we will not be as dedicated to. However, we do not show love to others by placating them. Whenever the opportunity presents itself, whenever the Spirit opens up an opportunity, we should always point people to scripture. Let scripture do the judging. That means we should always be prepared to defend our faith and to present scripture to help others find Christ.
So much love and patience to address something that is common sense. I admire that because I don’t have the patience lol. In the route to Truth, I will make a B line through the minefield of feelings. I mean Juggernaut my way through the field of feelings.
The code says its invalid. I am interested in the courses
Sean, you rock!
Sean, your doing a fantastic job promoting the book... I don't think one comment interruption you made didn't include mentioning the book.
I like that: cisgender and transgender folks having the capacity to experience gender dysphoria is really helpful. It shows that dysphoria is not the clincher towards determining gender identity, and explains how children can experience dysphoric yet still in the end be cisgender. Hmm.
I appreciate the love and respect on this topic. Im wondering how much do we equate this struggle to biology and science vs. Spiritual?
Josh, when I listen to your interview with Jim Domen, I knew exactly where you both stood in terms of biblical understanding of sin in the power of evil. When I listen to this interview, yeah you both reflect on biblical perspective but I have no sense of strength of thought in regard to the wickedness in sinfulness of culture around us.
I agree. I'm listening and can't even recognize where either of them stand on the issues in the title.
I was raised Catholic. The way I look at things is like this: If I am drawn to something that my church condemns, I assume it is me who is in the wrong, and I need to adjust my thinking. I assume that with prayer, the disordered thoughts I have will lessen over time, but not necessarily go away. But I have never had a desire to be a different gender, and I don't know if that struggle is harder than other struggles.
It depends on the person, for some it hardly there and for others it is debilitating.
The way you phrased your comment definitively proves that, as you say, you’ve never experienced gender dysphoria. From my perspective as a transgender Christian, it’s a complete mis-statement of the problem. If the problem was thoughts, it’d be a lot easier. And then there’s the question of prayer - how many times does God have to say “No” before your insistence demonstrates a lack of faith?
I'm not trans nor do I wanna be of the opposite sex though my struggle is mainly that I do like to wear clothes from the opposite gender in private.
As a Christian I know I have to change my way but that's easier said then done, I personally had an easier time ridding myself of caffeine addiction.
What you describe is actually quite common (though few admit it). I have several Christian friends who struggle with the same exact desires.
You might find some things in this book helpful: www.amazon.com/Trapped-Mens-Bodies-Autogynephilic-Transsexualism-ebook/dp/B00APXDL9E/ref=mp_s_a_1_11?dchild=1&qid=1596732526&refinements=p_27%3AAnne+Lawrence&s=books&sr=1-11
Some of it you probably won’t resonate with, but my friends (mentioned above) said they resonated with some of the stories in it.
Again, you’re not alone.
what makes me sick is people who will mock folks that either have struggles similar to what u have or attractions to the opposite sex..however, heterosexuals who have a tendency to chase after married people and destroy marriages and do untold damage to children are easily forgiven..who does more damage?? the way we justify or excuse behavior just cuz it's labeled heterosexual activity yet bash folks who have their own private struggles we consider as odd or different makes me sad..hang in there brother..
@@PrestonSprinkleRaw Never knew there was a term for it before, read the wiki page for autogynephilic and I could see myself in it on certain parts, or at least from my past self.
Nowadays it's more of a casual and comfort cross dressing and mainly pick stuff out that don't scream femininity.
Thanks for the reply I actually learned a lot from reading about it.
@@timmy1tap678 Well one of the reasons I hide the fact that I like to cross dress a lot of people think that directly makes you a homosexual but it's more associated with heterosexuals which I am.
But yeah I do feel more of a feeling that people mock cross dressing way more then adultery and fornication.
@@someoneoverthere6032 oh I totally understand what u r saying..the way the world is i don't blame u..i was just pointing out it's amazing that people will attack someone for a personal struggle that's not a threat to anyone yet justify impure and disgusting sexual sin that actually destroys peoples lives..things are so backwards and hypocritical in our society today
It is so sad that those who claim to be evangelicals will use modern psychology and sociology on the very same level of authority as the Bible. Those who claim to believe Bible and yet undermined its authority and sufficiency should no longer claim to be followers of Christ because they have a different understanding of what the Bible is ontologically.
What do we do with the scripture Genesis 1:27?? Genuinely asking
God calls us by name. Isaiah 43. If he did it, I think that we should too. It’s the perfect example to follow. Call people by their name.
Is the struggle same to any addiction - when I heard a trans identified lady talk, it sounded very similar to those who have an addiction. On your mind all the time, has control of you, etc... Which I had to food at one time (anorexia, then to binge eating - but food controlled me until the Lord set me free). Do we treat the gender confusion the same as an addiction?
Answer this question, do you treat XXY (Klinefelters syndrome) the same as Downs syndrome? If you even know what I'm talking about, there's hope for you as a scientific Christian.
No you don't treat it like an addiction
@@carlosreira413 Kinefelters syndrome is an intersex condition (one of the sexual birth disorders). Intersex and transgenders are two different things. People often make the mistake of conflating the two.
@@Topg1 Yes, my little sibling Topg1. Thank you for showing that YOU know the difference. And I'm sure it's because you ALWAYS had compassion on those who are different!
@@carlosreira413 Christ teaches us to have compassion for everyone, even people who hate us. We may not always agree we can disagree and still have love for each other
If I understand Mr. Sprinkle correctly, he is saying that there are ethical concerns that would supersede transitioning as relieving suffering. My questions is what are these ethical concerns and if gender dysphoria is a medical condition, and transitioning is the medical diagnosis for the treatment for relieving this suffering, would these ethical concerns super-cede other medical diagnosis's, for reliving suffering, for other medical conditions such as cancer, depression, diabetes, etc.
I think we should be very compassionate to everyone with mental health issues, regardless what is the expression of mental health issues.
I am still seeking an answer to the following question. In Canada at least our church is trying to come to how to handle couples wanting to join our church
Couples? Like gay couples? This video is about trans people. Trans people can be gay, they can be straight, because being gay and being trans are two completely different things. If you’re referring to either of these really, I don’t see why their relationship would be inherently considered a strike against God, they’re just like any other couple.
From Salem Oregon with my husband
How do you handle the situation of acceptance of gay couples coming to church. I am from canada
Hello Neighbor, from Beaverton OR
We are to love and honor all people as God's Word says however we are NOT to twist His Word in order to make it fit the world. As it is written, "in the last days even the elect will be deceived." Again we are to love people.
Sean Thank you for pursuing this most important issue. I cry out asking how can i help?
I now see the definition of trans spoken by speaker as alluding to cisgender people who experience gender nonconformity. The speaker's definition of transgender where person has an internal sense of who they are gender wise to be incongruent to their biological sex to mean the person is actually their biological sex but experiences dysphoria with regards to their "actual gender identity based on biological sex". Your definition of transgender defines trans people as cisgender people who experience another gender because they feel this incongruence.
This helps explain why trans people are having to justify their position, because trans people are seen as cisgender.
We are engaged in a spiritual battle is that not addressed here?
I am curious about the relationship of body, the physical body and soul. As a person who is transsexual I believe that my soul is female and my brain is transsexual. So I definitely understand the complication of my soul is one thing and my physical body is the opposite. Therefore I find the physical body and the soul a very interesting topic.
Reading CS Lewis' Space Trilogy- the way he describes gender...it makes you want to BE who you were created to BE....it's so beautiful, so awesome.
I love CS Lewis and have been meaning to read those books. Now you’ve really intrigued me all the more!
Those books are weird af, but quite interesting reads. I particularly like Paralandra.
This topic is beyond our current limits. This is a real deep issue that does not seem to include biblical references but more human knowledge and understanding. We're all spiritual beings in this sinful flesh and I know that I myself have had and done gruesome thoughts and from a Biblical point of view. Happy was and may still be an ancient Egyptian god or goddess. This comment of mine really shows my super lack of knowledge but even those that know even less from a secular non bible believen folks and that's not to say that all bible thumpers know or study this difficult and delicate subject.
Is it true, the rise of transgenderism and any other deviants of sexuality seem to correlate to the rise of universal acceptance in a society where anything goes.
I truly believe that is part of it
Just don't forget that trans is a terminal diagnosis in many people. If people don't find peace with their nature, they will all too often desire to die. I'm 13 years post surgical transition and have not had suicidal desires in all that time. Surgical transition saved my life...and my marriage. My wife and I live chaste since my surgery, but we're now at 31 years of marriage and very happy together. :-)
Oh. and on the clothing issue, I am a medical professional and I wear modest scrubs almost all the time. I wear a skirt or a dress maybe five times a year. I never wore stereotypical female clothes until after I transitioned in 2008.
Were those who became eunuchs for the Kingdom referenced by Christ in Matthew 19:12 in sin?
As a person from a non observant Jewish background who at one time embraced Christianity but because of mistreatment by so called christians who judged me for my disability ( I have Asperger’s syndrome and need psych meds and draw SSDI because my condition makes me unable to work) and learning different things as I studied the Bible I became uncertain about the faith and lost faith in biblical inerrancy and biblical perspecuity. However recently I’ve been studying my Tanakh in Hebrew more and I’ve been listening to these videos and I love the compassionate and nuanced way that Dr. McDowell deals with these very hard subjects as it pertains to the historic Christian faith. Because of all this I’m becoming more sure about Jesus being Mashiach but I still really want nothing to do with organized religion and though I believe the Hebrew bible and the New Testament particularly the 4 Gospels contain divinely inspired content I’m not convinced that the whole canon does because human tradition decided the canon of scripture and how do we know that the sages of blessed memory at the council of Yavne in the year 90 that decided the canon of the Hebrew bible or that the Catholic bishops at the council of Carthage in the year 397 that decided on the NT canon were right? In regards to the trans ideology I would also say that I find it ironic that the same leftists who say that men can’t opine on abortion because they can’t get pregnant and it’s a women’s issue oftentimes will say that gender is just a societal construct and that any man can identify as a woman and should be recognized as such. They are talking out of both sides of their mouths. Especially when they also say that men can get periods and can get pregnant too because if that’s true then why would abortion be just a women’s issue?
judge Christianity based on Christ, not man. Sorry to hear your struggles.
Great discussion and model for a pastoral approach to dealing with trans folks as human beings and not merely discussing intellectual or theological positions. As a minister, I search for pastoral language that is both loving and truthful. One truth I did not hear, that would have been helpful to so may of us listeners, is the teaching of the bible on the fact that same sex sexual acts are always described as sin. While I'm keenly aware of how the word "sin" has often been over used and wielded like a baseball bat, I think something important is missing when the word sin is completely avoided and left out of the discussion. This piece was not a part of your conversation. Love without truth is neither loving or true. If same sex activity is sin and a serious enough sin to keep someone out of heaven, then at some point, this needs to enter the conversation. I would like to hear Preston's take on how to do this. My first question is does Preston believe this should ever be done? I don't believe the idea of "sin" is the 1st thing to bring up but I think there comes a point at which it is appropriate. I believe 1st comes mystery, then comes morality. After a connection takes place with God, one becomes moved to follow God's moral law, not the other way around. So, are we to avoid the term "sin" altogether or find a place for it as Christians? If something is NOT as in, why would I need to repent of it? Repentance is needed for salvation, according to Jesus. How are we to be mindful of facilitation necessary repentance while being loving at the same time?
This should say, ‘Conservatives’ not Christian.
So basically: under this shows view, a person's actual gender identity is their biological sex. To them, gender identity is a biological gender identity, gender identity rooted in the body.
So biological sex itself is the gender identity where one's internal sense of gender (who they are) is rooted in their biological construction as traditionally labeled male or female by society.
So these folks who say "biological sex" don't know they are cisgender. Even the definition of transgender being that one's gender identity sense is incongruent to their "actual gender identity, being rooted in their socially assigned gender identity rooted in the body" is a cisgender definition of transgender.
Transgender is understood differently from both trans and cisgender people.
I have done a lot of research myself into this as well. Loving yes, but it wasn't fully clear to me that you made the distinction between biblical loving and affirming or being nice. A bit politically portrayed. Unfortunately, I believe since the book was written the problem has only increased. With messaging entering several more public schools. I appreciate the loving approach, but at the same time there needs to be firmer stances on a lot of issues, because at the rate we're going we won't be able to properly preach the gospel at all and will be giving everyone watered down truth. But that's personally what I would've wanted, I was frustrated after I was saved at a point when I realized how many people who were saved never questioned me on why I called myself a Christian, but was very much in my sin. Well Because I only kept hearing that God loved me regardless of anything and didn't really hear hard truth, which I would've appreciated looking back.
It worked out eventually, but at the same time, dealing with people pointing out my hypocrisy could've helped me to not have to suffer through the pains that eventually brought me to Christ. I know a lot of people find Christ through pain, and even though I feel like I could've been convicted in my heart if I really understood or heard the truth I suppose I don't really know. But God did use the non-believers who ended up pointing out my hypocrisy to begin convicting my heart, I just hope that there are more brothers and sisters in Christ will to be honest and convicting on things they have figured out, we're not called to not judge, but only to judge once dealing with our own issues in the same way. I also am interested in whether you're effective with this approach, because it wasn't clear whether the LGBTQ friends you are talking about have been saved. Like actually saved, have repented, filled with the Holy Ghost and are being sanctified. I feel like I may be walking away with more questions than answers, cause there was a lot of vagueness unfortunately. But I appreciate what you're doing, I understand you're trying to put your heart in the right place I don't really wholly disagree with you on anything.
I personally appreciate bluntness, love of course, but honesty and directness. I feel like since the church has been beating around on everything including the supernatural power of God we're at the point we're at in the west and we need to take the lead on offensive, with speaking truth boldly. I think it bothers me more because I want children and I'm frustrated that I don't feel like I can even send them to school in the future without being brainwashed and indoctrinated, because we can't stand firm. I myself can look back and see how twisted and brainwashed I was by the public school system. A place my mom had no choice, but to send me.
I agree with your comment.
I noticed Preston you called your friends other friend her wife (assuming they "married"). Do we call the other person wife or husband, when it is not a true marriage? How to use words, can be tricky. Wondering what you'd say to that. Thank you.
I'd recommend using a cognitive behavioral therapy approach for treatment for dysphoria. It also may be worth using impulse and compulsive behavior analysis to help people understand *why* they feel certain ways. Another angle is the environmental factors including contaminants in food and other items we put in our bodies from the earliest ages.
Regarding crossdressing you hit the point as I thought it: presenting as the opposite sex.
Clothing styles change and vary by culture, so we have to adapt to present as our own sex.
10:18 Is Gender really about who you are? I would think that is/should not be right (although see that people try to live this way). At least as a Christian my sexuality/gender is not my identity
Thank you!
I just learned what intersex means. This conversation has been very informative
Can anyone offer an opinion? Is there any forms of sexuality that should be considered wrong or immoral?
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Do a new interview. 2024 on his CRU curriculum.
Is the spiritual aspect addressed recognizing satanic influences??
I appreciate your comments about the intersex community not wishing to be held up as examples. However, I frequently hear the on/off, good/bad way of thinking from the conservative Christian community reflected in statements like "God doesn't make mistakes" regarding sexuality. That so many people are born with physical sexual ambiguity is evidence that things don't always fit neatly into binary columns, even in God's good creation. There are dangers to oversimplification.
Allie Beth stuckey has a podcast episode specifically talking about the increase in youth girls coming out as trans so look into that if you’re curious on the data supporting it. She brings a professional on her show and they talk about the factors.
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Does pornography have an impact on a persons gender identity? It seems that much of this is stemming from our over sexualized culture which stems from the pornography industry.
It does factor in for some people.
Gender influences are chemical and hormonal based. Show us where it has ever been influenced from an outside source such as pornography..
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Show us the scientific studies. Oh wait you don't have that do you? So what is your source for this claim you make? Just another lame brained assertion from your delusional mind.
The gospel should end all this complication..whats next to the trans..love in TRUTH
I've recently come to the understanding that the only places where there are real sex based behavioral prescriptions are in marriage and within church relationships(mothers, daughters scripture)
I can't think of anything where God says men have to think a particular way beyond the husband wife relationship or church leadership positions.
29:30 It’s a MASSIVE cause. It just is. It’s not the only. It’s not everything. But it’s significantly larger than you’re insinuating. And I think it partly has to do with how limited your acceptance of societal pressure is. Over the past century, the separation of the sexes has been imbued into every aspect of our lives. From fashion to status to political power to toys… you name it. So, by the time a child is 2, they are very much aware of what society wants them to be. If they feel differently inside, the stress begins that early. It’s not just about outward prejudice, it’s about the subtle programming that lies within every aspect of our society.
Yes 1percent l only have more x chromosome plus when I went to the doctor BEFORE I STARTED HORMONES TREATMENT My estrogen level was twice the amount it should be starting off with
Michael, thanks for sharing your story and experience. So sorry I missed this earlier. But I really appreciate you being willing to share experience and insights.
15:40 Being trans in this world is incredibly difficult. The cultural and religious pressures on trans people are brutal. As our society moves toward acceptance and a way of life that’s bearable for trans individuals, the numbers of our trans people will go up. The percentage of people in this world who are trans is most certainly higher than what is reported. Acceptance and a shared concession of dignity will help bring us closer to the real numbers. It’s not a fad, or nurture or any of that. If you are trans, u are trans.
I can't remember what verse it is but there is something in the Bible against mutilating your own genitals
Deu 23:1 No man whose testicles have been crushed or whose penis has been cut off may enter the Lord’s assembly. - HCSB
FYI: It shows great disrespect to call SRS "mutilation" especially when it's so important to so many people.
I’m curious how he discusses biblical sexuality and ethics with his intersex friend with complete male and female genitalia... I’ve been asking this questions for last couple of weeks, but no spiritual leaders who I’ve spoken with know how to respond or how to give responses with credibility and sensitivity.
That’s definitely a tough one. Maybe it depends on the chromosomes?
I’ve lost everything to a few of Preston’s talks. I can’t figure out if he’s trying to say homosexuality is not addressed in The Bible. I can’t figure out if he’s saying we should call Christians who struggle with same-sex attraction “gay Christians”. I can’t figure out if he’s twisting The Bible or making it more clear. Confusion and nuanced things I have no choice but to infer from what he’s not-entirely-somewhat-saying. I definitely can’t recommend him to anyone, and I was looking for someone to recommend to people in my life.
If these people knew the in depth spiritual experiences that this homosexual has had. They would have a fit.
We don't use pronouns in everyday life in normal relationships.
We call people by their name.
That's good enough for Milena, it will serve us well moving forward.
"We call people by *their* name." 🤔
I very much think it's a part of American culture. Things that we describe as feminine, such as wearing makeup or liking cute things, but in places like Korea and Japan guys will wear eyeliner and lipstick and like cute stuff and it's not a big deal. In America if a guy kisses another guy anywhere they're gay. In places such as Italy giving a kiss on both cheeks is just a way to say hello. I think it's important to keep in mind that different cultures look at femininity and masculinity stereotypes in different ways, so these things aren't set in stone.
I don't want to reply to the whole video so I'll settle with this: like depression, people typically hide these things. It is not particularly socially acceptable for either. And as acceptability increases, people are more willing to express their feelings of gender dysphoria or depression.
In a study done by Ireland and Pennebaker in 2010, where they tried to see if play writers naturally knew how men and women spoke, there was an interesting find.
In some movies, the female characters talked like (everyday) females and the male character talked like (normal) males, no matter if it was a male or a female play writer. But there was also a bunch of movies where both men and women sounded like women and a third categorie of movies where both man and women sounded like men (again, this was true whether the screen writer was a man or a woman). There were even movies where men sounded even more feminine than the females in the movie (as was the case of the role being played by Brad Pitt in Thelma & Louise).
What immediately stood out to me, is how I have seen (or have heard of) more movies from the latter two categories, where gender speech doesn't match biological gender. It made me think of your discussions on the topic and I wondered if you know of any study (or maybe it's a nice question for an upcoming new debate on the topic) that tried to uncover the correlation between movies where males and females speak dis-accordingly to their gender and have this correlated with (later) gender dysphoria. I mean.. if so many Hollywood movies we see on the screen are played by women sounding like men and vice versa..that must have an impact on how we view men and women..
As to what to call them pronoun wise if you're in a friendship with somebody and they come out as trans I think it's appropriate to do a bit of both sides. Say hey you know I disagree on the issue but I love you and it's your life so I'll respect that decision and use the pronoun that you wish and the name that you wish to go by. If you are uncomfortable using the pronouns just say the person's name instead. If you can't reconcile doing either then for both the transperson's sake and your sake it's better to end the friendship because there's going to be no positive that comes from that. And if you can't pay respect to that I think you need to check your heart because that's not loving your neighbor as yourself.
I feel deep compassion for anyone struggling this way. It must be very difficult. I believe anyone wanting to live their lives the way that makes them happy is not for anyone to judge unless of course someone is a Christian and would like assistance. Even then any council must be done very lovingly and thoughtfully. It's such a complex yet tender subject and peoples hearts are so vulnerable. I think the problem I have and this guest mentioned it briefly, is with those activists who have been able to convince the educational systems to introduce curriculums that are so obviously not age appropriate. I believe their is a definite agenda brought on by the LGBT and they added the T so now it's all if it. It's not necessary to teach children about these things so young, but their thoughts are to get to them as young as possible. I learned this by researching Roz Ward and some others. I don't appreciate their somewhat devious plan that is currently underway.
Difficult doesn't begin to describe the path we walk, the struggle we go through. 40% (give or take a few) attempt suicide at least once, out 0f 1.6 million people, 40% is a lot, I am one of those 40%. I personally knew I was in the wrong body when I was 6 or 7, long before I had ever heard of anything LGBT, I was raised in a conservative christian home, I didn't learn about trans people till I was in high school. Since I started living as and identifying as a woman, my depression and anxiety have both improved and I no longer feel the need/want to get high. Prayer, family and the church made my life a living hell for many years, all because I was different, because I didn't fit in to the traditional box of "boy/male."
Even if you think "male and female he created them " is prescriptive, it would still allow people to change an assigned identity: nothing in the book about that. Still only M/F.
Is it ok to call someone by their chosen pronoun? I am not sure if it's right as a Christian. (My 13 yr old granddaughter says she is non-binary & her parents support this & want me to call her "they & them".
Press on Shaun!!your dad must be sooooo thankful to God for you..press on!!satan is a roaring lion nd he targets christians greatly used..may yu be a true man of prayer..
Known cause I'd say medical nature nurture and for sure low self esteem same sex attraction is definately a part iam 55 now i started in drag first in 1985 started trans in late 90s
You actually said you have a bias. I thinkthat God loves us all the same and doesn’t make mistakes.
Is it ever called daemonic?
I love your show. But I have to say I feel that the discussion here about whether or not society's non-acceptance of trans people and how much pain it causes them upsetting. It feels like throwing a carpet over the elephant in the room that everybody already knows is there so that we can continue justifying people's non-acceptance.Who needs a study to know that this kind of thing is hurtful? I don't need to study to know that bullying is hurtful. and I imagine it would take an enormous amount of energy and research to prove it. but no one needs it proven to them. We all know it. It's the same thing with how transgender people are treated and reviled.
Also, isn't the world fallen? Aren't things not as they are supposed to be? Am I supposed to be severely dyslexic? Or should a person born an amputee or blind not have those issues fixed if Medical Science can do that? Why do so many of my fellow Christians seem to be just fine with changing the disabilities and shortcomings that others are born with? but not in this case? no apparently in this case nothing is ever messed up and should not be helped?If we apply this kind of thinking to other ailments and mental issues wouldn't we have to deny all medical treatment?
I truly feel that in this case people are just uncomfortable with the subject and are letting those feelings overrule their logic and even compassion.
42:ish This is all pretty interesting. This plays into non-binary narratives and cross dressing discussions. Those are both culturally arbitrary areas. Many Christian churches are very rigid on gender designations. It sounds like maybe you are not? It’s an important conversation. Nice.
To understand Deuteronomy you must understand that the clothing of men and women were both for most people exactly the same cloth
and the prohibition against men not wearing clothing worn by a woman was because women were not allowed to enter the temple Because they menstruated they were considered ritually unclean and therefore if a man wore a woman's clothing he would make himself ritually unclean and unable to enter the temple. The closest to modern day transgender referenced in the bible would be eunuchs, and the references in Isaiah 56 would be more useful in how we are to treat transgender.
Eunuchs were not transgender. The Eunuch (castrated males/ or monks) did not identify as the opposite gender. Regardless, the gospel is for transgenders and cisgenders.
I get that you’re making an effort here. This conversation is much more honest and forward moving if, instead, the discussion was with a few trans individuals. That would be more meaningful.
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What about what it says in Matthew 19: 10-12 when the Pharisees come to Jesus and try to trap him, asking about eunuchs"transgenders"?
No talk of satan and his darkness , what we battle against as well
Long term hormones I KNOW ALTER YOUR BRAIN IN TIME MAKE YOU MOODY AS WELL was on hormones for years ohh when you stop your hair will likely fall out when you stop taking estrogen i was up to 4 pills a day plus blockers then cut back down to 2 pills a day i never once thought of suicide
Why do you not address the studies which have been done and replicated regarding neuro anatomy and physiology in terms of gender differences and which begs the question as to whether gender differences and their expression occur in the brain and perhaps are less a function of one's genitalia? You totally ignored this in your ontological arguments.
People, especially religious people tend to make this issue a whole lot more complicated than it actually is. The simple fact of the matter is that human biology is MUCH more diverse than we realize. Trans people are born with brains which identify as the opposite gender as their natal sex organs because in utero their brains were either masculinized or feminized by certain androgens. So they literally do have the brains with which they identify. This is a scientific fact along with other very diverse genes and chromosomes working together which make up that individual. They are who they are and are simply born that way just as intersex people are born the way they are. I have trans people in my family who knew they were trans from as far back as their memory takes them. Now transitioned, they are much happier to be able to live their authentic lives. I really wish that this type of human variation would stop being so demonized by christians and the far right & that anti trans bigotry & ignorance would end for the sake of trans people and for all of humanity.
Where is the facts to back this up? I’ve done research and it isn’t backing up your statement. There is still a lot of research being done
My brother in law identifies as a female and though I disagree with his self identity I still love him. A lot of his issues began with the abusive relationship he was in with his ex girlfriend. Though as a libertarian I support his right to dress like a woman and groom himself like a woman and to take female hormones I don’t believe that society should be forced to agree with him that he is a woman. Trans rights shouldn’t trump women’s rights because actual biological women have a right to not have biological males who identify as females undressing with them in female locker rooms and to not have biological males who identify as females that commit crimes be incarcerated in women’s prisons and for actual biological women to not have to compete in sports with biological males who identify as females but still have male upper body strength unlike actual biological women who have female lower body strength
I agree we love everyone but not their sin. We are all born in sin. We are born with lust and lies but we must turn away from them and turn towards Jesus.