7 things everyone gets wrong about pride and prejudice
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the vitriol for Lydia in a lot of P&P variations is wild to me, like she's literally a child who has never been told no by her parents, being taken advantage of by an older and attractive predator, and everyone's reaction is "it's her fault for being silly" ? It's very strange to me.
@@xledia this needs to be taken in the context of the times. Children were expected to grow up and mature way earlier. They were expected to act right and follow social mores way closer than they are today. We acknowledge their immaturity and allow them space and time to grow (to what extent we allow too much of it is another question altogether), but in a society where child labor was the norm, a 16 year old was expected to have the understanding of how her actions could have affected her family and what social consequences could have ensued from her behavior.
I agree to an extent. She was spoiled and very young. But she was also old enough to know what was at stake when she ran off with Mr. Wickham. She was in the world enough to know and old enough to understand that if she compromised her family’s reputation enough to make people not want to marry her sisters that they would end up destitute. She didn’t care though, and that is what I can’t forgive. It is one thing to be silly and childish at a ball. It is quite another to elope with a man who cannot possibly support your entire family and risk your sisters’ futures.
one thing that i realized on one of my numerous rereads is that the whole wickham georgiana darcy thing had happened maybe weeks to a month before the beginning of the book. when darcy and wickham see each other in meryton it’s FRESH. it really changes my perspective on both wickham’s behavior to lizzy and also darcy’s behavior in response to wickham.
i read pride & prejudice for the first time last year and i was surprised by how much i laughed out loud!! the bit where mrs bennet is winking at lizzie & kitty trying to get them to leave jane & bingley alone but then kitty just says out loud "mother why are you winking at me? what do you want me to do?" GIRLLLL
Regarding the Lydia stuff, I love that in the 2005 adaptation there's this tiny, blink-and-you'll-miss-it moment when we see Lydia and Whickam leave for the last time where she's saying goodbye to everyone in her very dramatic way and we're supposed to roll her eyes at how ridiculous the whole thing is, and we cut to Lizzie (and I don't remember who else) watching them through the window. Almost in the background, through the glass, we see Whickam roughly yank Lydia down into her seat, cutting off her goodbyes. It's such a small thing, but it almost feels like letting you in on what this marriage will actually be like, and it just leaves me with such an uneasy feeling rather than any lingering "oh Lydia you rascal" silliness.
I like that moment too. I kind of see it as they both got what they deserved. Even though everyone did fail Lydia (I had never thought of it that way before, but it is true), she still has control over her own behavior. She behaved very impulsively and nearly cost her family everything. Wickham is a terrible person and screwed himself over by messing with people who mean something to Mr. Darcy one too many times. They do deserve each other. (And I think the 1995 Wickham is a much more likable version of him up until we learn the truth about him.)
putting an eligible bachelor in front of her VERY HOT DAUGHTERS!!! honestly justice for mrs bennet's vision
She said, "just give my hot daughters ONE CHANCE" and she was right.
While I may not love Mrs. Bennet’s demeanor, respect on her hustle tactics. If she had left it to Mr. Bennet they would all been doomed.
@kalka1l she understands the world women lived in then very well, probably better, I would argue, than anyone else in the novel. She is motivated by reality, and I can't blame her for that.
@@cj1986x She's not; the reality is that she married a guy whose income was in the 1%, and 23 years later she has failed to save single penny. Their income is 2000 a year, which is like a hundred times more than a servant's income, yet every single year she spends money until they reach the point where they are about to go into debt to finance more dresses, dinners and parties, which is a step too far even for Mr Bennet, so that's when he puts his foot down and refuses any more expenses.
To put it into modern terms, she married someone working on Wall Street who earns half a million dollars/pounds a year, yet she's spent 23 years permantly redecorating their McMansion, going on half a dozen overseas vacations in 5-star hotels a year, buying the newest fashionable luxury car each year and selling their oldest car at like a quarter of the price she bought it for two years earlier, and now she suddenly wants her daughters to drop out college to go to high society dinners and marry rich guys so she they(or more accurately she) can keep living their unsustainable livestyle forever.
In short, she's utterly ridiculous, and the only difference between her selfishness and Mr Bennet's, is that he knows the money issues won't affect him, on account of him being dead by then.
People do NOT understand the enemies to lovers aspect in this book 😭 its like???? Whenever people compare a super toxic couple to Elizabeth and Mr. Darcy im like NO. NOOOOO. She doesnt actually fall in love with him UNTIL HE COMPLETELY CHANGES. If he was still an asshole, SHE WOULD HAVE DUMPED HIS ASS. I guess thats the unrealistic fantasy part of this book, a man listening to a woman and actually changes himself for the better lmao. I love this book so much ugh.
That's why I like to joke that romance should be a subcategory of fantasy 😂😅❤
He somewhat changes. He was never that bad to begin with, just very stuck up and prejudiced. She actually learns more about him, understands she had some very preconceived notions about his actions, while he softens down and learns to not care as much about public opinion and social status. They both grow up and develop.
@Carola16 Yeah, honestly the Darcy at the start of the book is less of an asshole than an alarming number of male leads in enemies to lovers media... and that's saying something, because he's a complete twat! 😄
@Carola16 exactly, Mr. Darcy doesn't change in the movie. It's just as the story progresses, Elizabeth starts to see the better side of him, which she did not see in the beginning. By the end of the novel, they are both madly in love with each other, because they both realized they were wrong about their "first impressions."
That's why Jane Austen's magnum opus Pride and Prejudice was published as FIRST IMPRESSIONS at first.
Pride and prejudice applies to Elizabeth too, she realizes all the ways that she has been wrong. I don't think that part gets emphasized enough.
Yes! I feel like not enough people talk about how funny Austen is, the level of snark is a huge part of why I love her books, even though I'm usually not a classics reader.
Level of snark is a brilliant way to describe some of her writing. Check out some of Sense and Sensibility before the family move to the West country.
people so often stumble with lydia. i'd love to see an adaptation that acknowledges that darcy still tries to convince lydia to LEAVE wickham when he finds them-marriage is plan b-just because darcy understands how dangerous wickham is.
I think one of the best portrayals of Lydia was in the Lizzie Bennet Diaries. Her arc was so tragic. It was changed obviously to a more modern plot but still so tragic.
Yessss! Also current enemies to lovers forgets that at his heart Mr. Darcy was actually a GOOD man who was kind and generous to his servants/tenants, and is a good brother and friend. If Darcy had actually done the things to Wickham that Lizzie hated him for they would’ve never gotten together. That kindness is what leads him to want to change.
Also another point I’m really passionate about is that Darcy also has embarrassing people in his circles that he’s somewhat blind to. Like Darcy is embarrassed by some of Caroline and Lady Catherine’s actions, like when she says Lizzie can practice piano in the servants quarters. Austen does a great job of showing that there are people on both sides that make the relationship challenging and shows how we all are willing to make concessions for the people we care about.
My most controversial P&P Opinion is that Matthew Macfayden was a TERRIBLE choice for Mr. Darcy bc he is supposed to look and seem like the most supercilious asshole known to man, and instead matthew looks like a kicked puppy.
My next most controversial opinion is that the best part of the book is when Lizzie and Darcy keep "accidentally" running into each other in Lady Catherine's gardens. Absolutely peak shit.
i actually agree with you (based on the book representation, Macfayden wasn't the most "accurate" choice) but funnily enough it is my favourite media adaptation of Darcy! I like that they took it in a slightly different direction and that he comes across as mostly 'well-meaning but a bit arrogant and awkwkard' and it kind of feels like I get the best of both worlds reading the book for the full experience but watching the movie for a more light-hearted time, although book Darcy is still my favourite character-development wise of course (supercilious asshole-ness and all!)
And yes 100% I completely forgot about that plot point until my re-read of P&P last week and I was LIVING for it, and how Elizabeth was thinking "how curious!" given that she specifically mentioned that she loves walking in the park to discourage him from doing so yet somehow he then started showing up even more frequently? we were truly blessed to get that shit!!
One of the many ways I know Orson Scott Card is a trash person is he one said in a review of the 2005 adaptation something like "Finally, a Mr. Collins who isn't ridiculous!" 1) what are you talking about, Tom Hollander was playing that character with maximum levels of ridiculousness and 2) ridiculousness is basically the whole point of the character because 3) Jane Austen knew women love to laugh at ridiculous men
The more I hear about that guy, the happier I am that I somehow managed to avoid reading any of his books before I heard anything about what a piece of shit he is.
YESSSS 👏👏👏 I've been reading a bunch of Pride and Prejudice retellings as a personal challenge, and every single point you made is spot on.
- Jane Austen is whip smart and hilarious!
- Both Darcy and Elizabeth have quite a lot of character development before they go from enemies to lovers
- Mrs. Bennet has a pretty good reason for her anxieties and while she's a good laugh, it's also very telling about how unstable a woman's position in society could be, even after marriage
I could go on but thank you for the great video!
DARCY FIXES DARCY
I also love the epilogue dearly. It's a really lovely cap to the story. My favourite moment that I always come back to, though, is Lizzie and Darcy dancing at the Netherfield ball. It's one of my favourite conversations of all time. He's actually putting in some effort to flirt, while she's trying to needle more intel out of him about Wickham, which he SORT of seems to start to coin onto before she pivots away. The conversation is as much of a dance as the action, the purposes are crossed, and it's all just so rich and wonderful. A master of the craft, was Jane.
Louder for the people in the back with regards to what is missing in most enemies to lovers!! It really needs to be enemies (to friends) to lovers and YES, if one of them is going to be shitty, they need to IMPROVE before they're worthy for a happy ending together!
I read P&P during my formative years as well and it left such a mark on me and what I'm looking for out of books. 100% agree with all your thoughts - I also had the same thoughts about Mrs. Bennett and her silliness hiding some ruthless practicality that was very necessary for the time. I loved your point about the Bennetts' parenting style working on 2 of them and then failing to adapt for the others. I hadn't thought of it in that specific way, but that's exactly right.
Loved this video! Your takedowns of bad books are always excellent but I do love hearing you gush about a much-loved book and why it works for you!
Jane Austen was like "if men would just listen!" And have they since? No. 😌
You "Jane Austen is funny"
Me, who laugh out loud remembering Darcy's first proposal just a few minutes before "Yes. Yes she is"
Lord give me the confidence of Darcy during the first proposal scene
Pride and Prejudice has had a very special place in my heart for a long time. It started off with me watching the 1995 version with my mum when I was a kid. For some reason we had a copy that was not split into individual episodes, so for the longest time I thought it was just a 5 hour long movie (and we always watched it all at once in a day!). Then I read the book and was so pleasantly surprised at how close the adaptation was! I really appreciate your points though, especially regarding the representation of characters in the different adaptations. I love love love the fact that Darcy fixes himself! I am so tired of toxic relationships in books being romanticised.
Next to P&P, Persuasion is my favourite Austen novel. It has important social commentary, ✨pining ✨ and one of the best "oh wait, talking about it actually fixed our problems" moments.
10:39 - 13:08 --> I really love this breakdown because it took me years before I thought for the first time that Lydia had been failed. ^_^ I never found her as annoying or irritating as some interpretations of her, mostly because I just glossed over her, so coming back to the story much older and finding myself really concerned for her and her safety inside of that marriage felt like meeting the character for the first time.
14:57 - 17:05 --> Chef's kiss, no notes, 10/10! 😂
Thank you! I hate enemies to lovers where the love comes down to "yes, he is still a colossal asshole, but he is hot and has trauma, so actually he is the best person in the world"
Also I love that lipstick colour!
OMG FINALLY, someone put to words why I also ADORE Pride and Prejudice!!! Thank u, I’ll be sending this to all my friends now
(Also, my favorite quote from P&P is ”What are men to rocks and mountains”… I have it tattooed on my bicep)
I clicked on this video SO FAST! Pride and Prejudice is my all time favorite of the classics and everything you said in this video resonates with me. I found myself nodding "Yep, exactly!" SO MANY times. Especially the part about the enemies to lovers trope in books nowadays, and the fact that Lizzy doesn't fix Darcy, he fixes himself. That was perfectly said and so true. That's why I love this story. And why I HATE current enemies to lovers books, because I CANNOT fathom falling in love with someone who is despicable to you. It doesn't make sense, what are you falling in love with?!
Anyway 🙄 My favorite part was the letter from Mrs. Gardiner to Lizzy towards the end of the book, and the part that tickles me is when Lizzy is convincing Jane that she does truly love Darcy, and HOW she fell in love with him. I feel not many people get Lizzy's humor there, and think she's just being a gold digger
I love hearing people rave about their favorite books!!! This is me with Howl's Moving Castle, The Westing Game, and Piranesi. There's no feeling like coming home to a comfort read! :)
Persuasion is my absolute favorite, cannot wait to hear your thoughts!
Every one of these is 💯
Honestly, peak banter is between Mr Bennet and his wife - his barbs are super sharp, but she’s too dense for them to hit. It’s a beautifully toxic dynamic 😌 “I’m too lazy to go visit the rich neighbor, you take our hot daughters to see him. Or even better, let them go alone! The man might want my hot wife!”
And to back up your claim that the misses Bennet are indeed descended from a baddie, she answers with “I’m nothing extraordinary *now* “. The woman knew what cards she was working with all the time.
I think this is why Lizzy is 8 million times better a role model then Belle (of beauty and the beast) for a self determined bookish brunette. She saw that toxic dynamic between her parents and decided she wanted none of that in her own marriage and she would not compromise on that, even if the consequences were dire. Lizzy knew what the stakes were, and said no to Collins AND Darcy anyway. It bothers me when people interpret this as a desire for true/passionate love, because it’s a more basic and simple requirement she wants - mutual respect. Which is also why her refusal to Darcy is so vehement because he showed her so little respect in his first proposal.
I think my favorite thing about P&P is that Austen has given just enough information about everyone’s dynamic with each other that you can spend hours thinking about how their interactions would go - it’s got such great fanfic/imagines potential. How would wickham and Mary have a conversation? What if Caroline dropped in while Lydia was visiting Jane?
As for adaptations, I applauded 2005 for the visual language it used to keep the screen time short, and of course, for giving us the hand flex scene, but it failed so *utterly* with the confession scene in the rotunda in the rain. That interpretation enrages me. I watch P&P&zombies more than I do the 2005 movie.
The BBC series is my preferred version and Ehle was more Lizzy than even I had imagined she could be.
I’m due for a reread myself, and this story gets more relevant as I age. 13 year old me certainly didn’t know she would have to decide, like Lizzy did, if she would compromise her principles in order to keep a roof over her family’s head. She was a role model for me then, and she still is now.
Ehle as Lizzy was my first screen crush, and has remained undefeated for 30 years!
I just finished listening to the audio book, which is probably a 6th reread for me and I was still so engaged! I audibly gasped when Lizzie finds out Lydia is missing.
It's my favourite book and I have multiple copies. The edition you have is GORGEOUS 😍
side note: love this lipstick on you!
I think Lydia Bennet is an example of the imperfect victim - people see her vanity and shallowness and use it to excuse the behaviour of an adult man. It's not helped in Lydia's case by the fact that she continues, even when she grows up, to be exactly the same as she was at 16, just without her fondness for Wickham.
I love when you talk about books you’ve reread, I wish I was more of a rereader, but I’m still stuck on the “so many books, so little time” mentality 😅
This video is such a delight! Pride and Prejudice was the first classic I read outside of the classroom and it showed me how fun classics can be. Such great points were made
Yes to all of this. Great video!
I also keep rereading Pride and Prejudice, though not as often as you I suppose. I recently reread Emma which is laughing-out-loud-funny as well. Just got to love Austen ❤️
I would so love to hear your thoughts on the Lizzie Bennet Diaries! They def treat Lydia as a tragedy.
You got all 7 things. Thank you. I have been enlightened by your thoughts.
I’m glad I’m not the only one who reads P&P so often. My first exposure to it was surprisingly not the book, but a stage adaptation in middle school. My take away from that was not the romance, but the comedy! Mr. Bennett and Collins were perfectly cast. That remained with me after reading the book and I love all the nuances I’ve discovered as I’ve grown with it. It’s hilarious and the cutting observations on people, relationships, is what keeps me coming back again and again.
Oh and 💯 on Lydia. My mother *hated* P&P and it was rooted in the moralizing over Lydia because I think she felt the injustice of her treatment and outcome.
Because I’m obviously commenting on this as I’m listening and I can’t shut up about this book either, my favorite line is Lizzy talking about Darcy’s letter: “The adieu was charity itself” lol girl, gotta get that burn in there
I’m so glad you showed up on my FYP! Instant subscribe!
I'm with you! I can't do the nickname banter anymore either 😂
You really need to come to the UK it's Jane Austen's 250 birthday there is so much going on.
I took absolutely love "Pride and prejudice" Jane Austen was a woman beyond the time you can still imagine a Mr Darcy and a Elizabeth Bennett in today's setting quite obviously without the bowing.
I have just found you on RUclips and I have now subscribed.
I downloaded this to listen on my commute this morning and don't have anything particular to say except thank you for the good vibes and laughter. It made my day! And I loved all of your takes.
Ive never nodded so hard at a video before 😂. Mrs. Bennett was 100% right to be concerned and anxious to get her daughters married! I mean, Sense and Sensibility is the story of what happens when the father's estate is left to someone other than the ladies and in that case they had some money which Mrs. Bennett does not. ALSO! Marriage contracts at the time would have had a clause that anyone marrying one Bennett girl would take on responsibility for the other unmarried ladies (until they entered marriage contracts of their own). So, they didnt just not bring big cash to the marriage table, they brought a bunch of liabilities. Jane HAD to marry very well. (I love all these details so much. I am here for any Austen videos you do!)
Mr Dashwood died about a year and a half after inheriting his uncle's estate, so he didn't have time to save up enough money for his widow and daughters to be comfortable. The Bennets were married for at least 23 years by the time P&P starts, yet have failed to save a single penny; Mrs Bennet should have concerned herself more with their budget if she wanted to avoid the hedgerows! What the heck were they even spending so much money on in the 15 years before they had a single daughter out in society???
I guess you don't pinch pennies when you expect to have a son to sort it all out after you're gone! Hope they had some good times!
@ Mr Bennet's line about assuming they'd get a son does show a crazily relaxed view of economy; even if the estate was garuanteed to stay in the family you should still be saving some money for a rainy day, not to mention for dowries for potential daughters and for educating potential younger sons.
Finally reading Pride and Prejudice! I’ve always been super intimidated by the “classics” but I’m really glad that I picked it up and I’m really enjoying it.
I always wonder why they age up Mrs. Bennet so much in the adaptations. She is in her 40s and lives a life of leisure.
Great summary! Enjoyed it a lot!
I am not quite sure whether you have read the Liveship Traders books by Robin Hobb but the Lydia/Malta comparison and how things play out is very interesting to me. And yes, the Bennetts really aren't great parents. xD I really need a reread, it has been a while!
Oh yes! I absolutely agree.
Great summation. Really enjoyed and I need to look for more from you.
This was only posted 17 hours ago?! Oh my god, so perfectly timed! Youre practiclaly quoting my Austen obsessed sister, wow. I love this video! Absolutely amazing. ❤❤
I'm also reading Austen this year! I read Sense and Sensibility this month and I really liked it! I've only ever read Pride and Prejudice (high school) and Persuasion (last year), but I'm determined to read the rest! I always thought classics in general weren't for me, but I just needed to find the ones that are.
I haven't really seen your content for long but i have to say:
youre a very charming, likeable and insightful content creator. I learned so much and i thought you should know
Happy P&P Day! Loved this whole video and agree with all your points and observations. Austen is indeed the queen of the use of sly irony and humor in her novels. One of the great things about P&P is that Austen's sly/witty voice, that's usually confined to the narrator in her other novels, is extended to Lizzy and Mr. Bennet in P&P, because they both share that same kind of humor.
Happy Pride and Prejudice day!!! I also first read the book in high school and have adored it in the 20 years since - I agree completely on all of your points. The antagonists-to-lovers bit is the most frustrating because the misunderstanding of how it applies specifically to P&P is so rampant.
Mrs. Bennet knew what was up!!!
Love everything about this video 💕 And now I know there’s a Jane Austen Day, I’ll be celebrating every year-added it to my holiday calendar :0)
Already can tell I’m going to agree with your takes based on your intro but had to comment before I get immersed - your background is so aesthetically pleasing ❤
This is perfection.
I went through Jane Austen’s books this month for the first time because I love P&P.
Oh I am SO excited for this video. I am seated, let's goooo
Yay! Now I i feel im normal when you said you reread Pride and Prejudice multiple times per year because I did the same. And not enough with that I also rewatched the adaptation of the TV series and movie as well🤭
Loved this video! P&P is one of my all time favourites too! Did you watch The Lizzie Bennet Diaries? What's your opinion on it as an adaptation?
Ah, I love P&P. When you said about the letters in the end I realised I don't remember it so vividly, time for re-reading :D
As to adaptations there are not many avilable, I mean back in the day I had 1995 and 2005 on DVDs but now I don't even have a DVD Player. Streaming is also failing to give access to Jane Austen adaptations, especially BBC produced. I would love to pay BBC directly to put my hands on them all!!
Love your video, "hot daughters" made my day, I love how you sum it up
the bbc version is on kanopy! which is free to access with a library card.
Great video ❤
Mr. Darcy doesn't change in the movie. It's just as the story progresses, Elizabeth starts to see the better side of him, which she did not see in the beginning. By the end of the novel, they are both madly in love with each other, because they both realized they were wrong about their "first impressions."
That's why Jane Austen's magnum opus Pride and Prejudice was originally titled " FIRST IMPRESSIONS."
this is such a treat
oooooooo LETS FREAKING GO so excited to watch this ❤
Lmfaooo the ending, are we forcing a nick name on somebody 😭🤣🤣🤣
I love this so much ❤
About lydia, i dont know if you read or know about the book "what kitty did next" which is about... what kitty did after then end of P&P and how she changes and growns and realizes that she almost became just like lydia and all. it's been a while since a read it (and now im dying to reread it) but i do recomend it.
Maybe Mrs. Bennett's real miscalculation is that her daughters do not think like she does, and she doesn't seem to understand how that could thwart her plans for them. Being beautiful but silly was a great plan for Mrs. Bennett, apparently.
P&P is also my favourite book of all time . I first read it when I was young and thought Mrs Bennett was just irritating. Now I have kids of similar age to the sisters. I sympathise with her that is the beauty of Jane Austen
Now im questioning if my love for enemy to lovers is from not only reading but also playing it as a teenager for school. 😅
My first Big Girl literary analysis was high school senior year, I did a 10 page paper on P&P. I hadn't even read it until that point! It became one of my favorite books of all time but it's fighting with Persuasion for favorite Austen. Definitely gave me too high expectations for enemies to lovers, so many the FML is so perfect and the MML is a jerk who can't appreciate her. But Darcy and Elizabeth BOTH sucked!! And I loved it!!!!
1:45 this is me with Persuasion, but I also love P&P
My big opinion is that the 1989 bbc adaptation is superior in every way to the 2005 movie adaptation but I understand with a movie you have less time. However, the scenes and clothing were all so dark where the costuming in the mini series feels more period appropriate. Additionally, in the movie some of the most iconic lines are said in the background while we spin around Kiera knightly staring off into the distance versus watching the scenes play out in real time during the mini series. Definitely wish we got a little more in the ending of the mini series, there are some cute scenes between the two in the movie i appreciate :)
Shoutout to OlurinattiPop! for her Pride & Prejudice video. Darcy deserves every single drag.
omg, You point out all the things that fustrated me when people think they know Pride and Prejudice make these comments as if they only read the surface level. Jane Austin loved to poke fun at how rediculous soceity is in her time and she plays with unreilable perspective really well to play on these things, but she also understood how the human condition works. It's what had *me* fall in love with the book when I did have to read it for class. She also had these conversations of the power dyamics of soceity, so while she did poke fun of the overbearing parent, it really was the reality of that type of life.
Honestly I need to find a copy I would like again of Pride and prejudice. I didn't own that particular book unfortantly because it was lended to us by our High school. I don't think I would find the version that I remember reading so unfortantly I don't think I can get that particular one as I don't see which edition that was when I looked. Having read Mortal Follies by Alexis Hall had me also wanting that book again. I loved Mortal Follies as it's own thing and would love to read Confounding Oaths, but it did the type of humor in it's own way that it had me also missing Pride and Prejudice as well. At least I have the version of Crime and Punishment I remember liking at least.
Only question that actually matters... who you casting in which role for Muppets: Pride and Prejudice? I feel like Miss Piggy has to play all of the female roles. Like not other pig puppets but just Miss Piggy hamming it up in all the different roles, which is physically impossible I know but a girl can dream. The three exceptions would be Janice as Lizzy's aunt Mrs. Gardner (?) and those two hot pink Mana Mana pupets as Kitty and Lydia Bennet. As for the dudes I just need Fozzy as Mr. Collins telling terribly awkward jokes throughout the movie.
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As someone who owns P&P but has not yet read it but has watched the 1995 adaptation. Can someone explain why Mr. Darcy seemed to have no personality as depicted by Colin Firth? He just stared blankly. I loved the way the actress played Lizzie. I plan to pick up the novel this year.
Can’t explain because I disagree!
@ I had a feeling this was an unpopular opinion. 😀 loved the mini series despite it though!
Mr. Darcy is meant to be hard to read. He keeps his thoughts and emotions close to the vest. When you first read the book, the reader, like Lizzy, has no idea that Darcy has any feelings for her until the ill-fated proposal. She noticed that he stared at her a lot. But obviously he wasn't giving her come-hither looks or heart eyes, because she thought he was staring at her to catalogue all the things he hated about her. Firth played it just right.
@@vbrown6445 That makes sense. I had a feeling I was missing context. Which is why I resolved to finally read the book.
I am so nit picky about Austen adaptations. It amazes (or is that infuriates) me that some directors and screenwriters rearrange points in the books, because Dudes! You cannot out-write Austen! She's a genius, and every placement, every word choice is so purposeful. I can be extremely annoying in my critiques of the movies and miniseries. 🙄 Two scholars I would recommend (who you probably already know of) are John Mullen and Octavia Cox. Mullen's book What Matters in Jane Austen?: Twenty Crucial Puzzles Solved is fantastic -- plus he has lectures on RUclips and his enthusiasm is infectious! Cox has a RUclips channel where she does very very deep dives into elements of the books -- she really makes you think about the context Austen was writing from.
I HATE HATE HATE the fact that Lizzie's aunt and uncle are present when Lizzie gets the news about Lydia in the 2005 movie. The fact it's so improper, them being alone, her confessing such a shameful thing about her family only because of her absolute shock and dismay,,,,THE WAY HE LOOKS AT HER!! ITS one of my favorite scenes in 1995 and in the book and (imo, anyway) it's ruined in the movie with her aunt and uncle there.
until he was in the marriage and was like "Oh ._." 💀:D
In addition to Lizzie being fine at playing the piano, another thing I think adaptations get wrong is that Mary is supposed to actually be very good at playing the piano, at least from a technical standpoint. The reason people like Lizzie's playing more is that she plays with more feeling, even if she occasionally hits a wrong note. Also, I can't remember anything from the book about Mary being bad at singing, but for some reason, most of the adapations have her singing off-key. Justice for Mary!
if you revisit chapter 18, it actually does say that Mary is not only bad at singing (she has a "weak voice" and an "affected manner" which leaves Elizabeth "in agonies" and causes her "painful sensations" listening to her and watching the scene), but she is also discourteous in not taking the hint and continuing to perform on and on without regard for the propriety of the time. (i literally just finished a re-read of P&P last week so it's still fresh!) :)
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So mrs bennet is likea broken clock, bc she was right at least twice ksksk😅😂 let me joke bc i do have a mother much like mrs bennet...
would a vlog of you reading pride and prejudice retellings be too much to ask for, or...
I just watched the 1995 adaptation this year bc it's its 30 year anniversary and its sooo beloved and i did really loved the beginning but wow the ending episodes were rough 😢 they really went into the gold digging interpretation of lizzie which i get but profoundly dislike, oh well.
That is such a strange interpretation of 1995 to me. I don't think they lean into gold-digging at all. Lizzie, in the source material, does have a pretty significant change of heart after visiting Pemberley. Partially because Mr. Darcy is careful to be kind to her and because his servants and the community all speak so highly of him. But, there is also a joke about how she had this change of heart after seeing his lovely grounds. But we are meant to understand in the source and in the adaptation that it's a joke, and that Lizzie has had a change of heart for more sentimental reasons.
@mynameismarines it was specially the scene where she reveals to Darcy about Lydia's elopement, it just felt so calculated to me instead of desperate and involuntary (I might be misremembering this from the book of course, it's been a couple of years since I reread) but it just left a bad taste in my mouth as well as showing darcy taking a day to go after them (why? Was really that long?) anyways it was this specially that in the end I just couldn't see the joke about pembelly as a joke anymore by the end of it.
@@LinnaAP I'd be curious if you still saw it that way on rewatch. The actress doesn't play that scene as dramatically as 2005, but she's very upset. Darcy keeps asking her if she's okay because she looks very ill, and she tells him what's happening because she feels like word will get out anyway. There is nothing about that moment that is calculating, and in fact, she looks back on it and regrets it. She has no reason to expect that telling him will do anything but ruin her chances with him forever. In fact, she's shocked to hear he was in London for Lydia's wedding. She has no concept of his being involved anymore after her confession. We are shown a scene that same night when Lizzie tells him the news, and he's so preoccupied and distracted that he decides to do something that very next day, presumably.
@mynameismarines it is possible, yes, (I only watched the 2005s version a couple of times almost? More? 15 years ago, oh dear, but I do prefer that version of this scene) but I don't usually rewatch things unless I love it(and even then I usually wait for me to forget a lot of it) in this case, at least I'd have a reason to, besides your argument, I'd also like to reread the book before it. So let's see. I'm now rereading northanger abbey,my least favorite, bc it's an annotated version so I'll eventually get to PP.
@@LinnaAP because lizzy states explicitly (more than once?) that she absolutely would not marry for money/security and turns down two proposals as proof of this, we are meant to understand that she is absolutely not a gold digger; we are meant to take this scene at face value.
in one sense of course, it is calculated --by jane austen in order to advance the plot in a specific way. bc it could theoretically have played out w her not telling darcy the exact nature of the "distressing news". but jane austen wanted both to have darcy know the details as soon as possible and to have lizzy be aware that he knows. but in the sense of lizzy manipulating darcy in some way, i second everything @mynameismarines said.
and honestly, if she were after his money she could have been married to him by this time.