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diva i haven’t watched a video of yours in years and i just want to say face card is lethal and your hairstyle almost made me not recognize you! it’s very pretty though
Lol when I have Luke-warm takes on twilight that good ol eddy cullin himself had I’m suddenly “not like other girls” & have my opinions to “impress men”🤢🤢💀
I've been thinking about how Tiger King used editing tricks to convince people that Carole Baskin was the true villain in that series. When we had on-screen footage of the titular focus grooming and abusing his employees!! Also so honored to be one of the amazing collabs in this video xxx
Yeah, she was the victim of his murder plot yet she’s accused of murder because her husband with ties to drug lords and a pilot license disappeared. Definitely no other persons of interest or other demographics with a known penchant for violence that her husband associated with… definitely not.
Yeah and it's obscene because I had been following Big Cat Rescue for some years before the show. They do genuinely good work in advocacy. Carole Baskin is kinda weird, but she's a cat lady from Florida.
Sucks even more that Carol is still seen as a killer even though homeland security found her ex-husband living in Costa Rica with a new wife. He even gave an interview with the New York Post on the fact he was still alive and well and still she's seen as a "killer".
It took me some time but ii realized one day, "Wait, we're supposed to take the word of a sex pest cult leader and another man that was trying to kill her that Carole killed her husband?"
You don't get it, do you? We've been so busy looking for the cow that we haven't seen what's right in front of our eyes. A master class in misdirection. Tara MOOkney. There is no Tara Mookney. She's been a cow in a hyper realistic human suit this whole time! Wake up!!!
25:55 Anne Hathaway handled these questions so well and it’s amazing she had an answer and didn’t burst into tears, I almost cried when she said “I’m also sad we live in a culture that commodifies the sexuality of unwilling participants”
SHE ATE THAT INTERVIEW UP and im so mad im just now seeing it. i genuinely do not see how she could have handled that any better, especially when stuck across from that absolute buffoon
There's a Ro Ramdin video where she describes Megan Fox as being "so attractive that people got angry at her" and I feel like that's how it is with alot of these
is defense spelled with a c in different parts of the world (like how the letter z is pronounced zed) because both the intro scene to that section and the chapter at the bottom are spelled defence (also if it is a minor spelling issue its not a big deal i'm just curious whats going on here)
@@log3ckert386 defense with a “c” is the british english version! both are technically correct, american english just spells it with an “s.” also hi!!! athena!!! i love your videos
This is like the fifth high quality video with the Robert Pattinson quote ”lot of books -- but they look at google images” over past few years and I can’t keep this is anymore: It wasn’t google, it was bing.
As someone who wasn’t really online online at all during the Hathahate trend, your explanation of it makes it sound like the general sentiment was “this famous woman is beautiful and happy and kind. I hate her” which is INSANE
What a pathetic, joyless reason to hate on somebody. I am also a theater kid and I love openly and live my life authentically, and if anyone ever disliked me for that reason, I would think it was so hilarious and baffling. Honestly, if that's the reason that you hate somebody, you must be living a very sad life.
I did not realise this was a thing, but I'm not at all surprised. The internet hates women. The internet hates women so much, that I often get trolled just for pointing out that the internet hates women 😂
Katherine Heigl getting blacklisted from Hollywood for criticising a past project whilst Robert Pattinson can criticise a movie he is supposed to be promoting makes me so very cross.
Bruhhh that guy basically going "A photographer took a picture up your skirt, now what did you learn from that" 🤬🤬 Anne's answer was beyond perfect wow.
also calling it "wardrobe malfunction" as if her skirt had accidentally ripped or something. There was malicious intent. The photographer did it on purpose
@ckncert Man, even if it really was a “wardrobe malfunction”, asking her “what she learned” would have still been wildly inappropriate and patronizing!!
I'm blown away by Anne's response to that creepy question from the Today host. So professional, tactful, tactical, I don't think I could come up with a better answer if I sat down thinking about it for a week and it looks like she came up with it on the spot!
im so glad i wasnt plugged in enough to see the ann hathaway hate lol im a millennial. ill always love my princess diaries girl. i only learned that ppl hated her after they stopped and started feeling guilty that they hated her.
Same! I only learned about people hating her just now. I actually saw princess diaries yesterday. Gonna watch Ella enchanted tomorrow. I love her, good memories.
Something about a journalist referencing Mean Girls to explain her dislike of Anne Hathaway is just genuinely baffling. Mean Girls is a movie, and it's a movie about HIGH SCHOOLERS. 😭
It's kind of even crazier than that! Tina Fey wrote that script based on a self-help nonfiction book, "Queen Bees and Wannabes" by Rosalind Wiseman. It's basically a manual for high schoolers and their parents to navigate bullying and cliques. So that journalist (?) behaving that way is like the very point of the book and movie coming to life. I read it years ago, and I know the author wrote a few more books in the same vein, and it was honestly depressing, validating, exhausting, and enlightening all at once. There's a reason that movie hit as hard as it did. Tina Fey did a fantastic job with that script.
This is such a well researched and insightful video. I'd like to add Constance Wu as another example of a woman who's been the victim of media hate. She was deemed ungrateful for her negativity about her tv show's renewal for another season and it got really bad, she took a break from media too. I hope she'll have her redemption cycle at some point! Can't help but think that women of colour are less likely to get this redemption arc and be given a second chance than white women who are also victim to this media phenomenon. Would like to suggest considering the intersectional nuances to this topic in your videos in future :-)
Constance Wu even had a s**cide attempt! I feel like white women are let back in the door with the stipulation of "shut up and just look sexy" whereas WOC are exiled permanently ala Janet Hubert
Her comeback interview is heartbreaking and tragic. She nearly jumped off a balcony because of the immense hate she received for not being excited for another season.
I never understand people getting annoyed at celebrities for "being everywhere", like its their fault and not the tabloids showing them in our faces. And even then... just don't engage with it? Like last year I heard a bunch about Chappell Roan, but I also clicked on all the videos about her. When it annoys me, I can just stop clicking on them???
My biggest complaint with many modern movies is that there are not many new actors or actresses. But that's more about studios wanting to draw people in with big names, and wanting a safe bet, than it is the celebrities themselves. Its also why I tend to like TV shows more, they tend to use less well known actors, or new actors, because the less well known actors and actresses tend to have more availability than bigger actors. And because shows tend to go on for multiple seasons, while a big name actor may be a draw initially, as the show goes on, the draw of the celebrity isn't going to be as big. And when a show does have a big celebrity they are typically a re-occuring character, like Kesha voicing Beelzabub in Helluvaboss, which regardless of one's thoughts on the show itself, the actress for Beelzabub's singing voice (who couldn't be Kesha for contract reasons) did a great job, i didn't realise Kesha wasn't singing untill later.
The Robert Pattinson comments really remind me of Rachel Ziegler, who made far less critical, but real, comments about projects she’s been in (the needing a job for Shazam and the updating of snow while) and people have absolutely REEMED her for it! The double standard between a white man and an outspoken woman of color is soooo palpable
We are so hypercritical of women that: (1) it is just sexist bullying, (2) legitimate critiques get lost in the cacophony superficial nonsense, and (3) we don't take them seriously in any capacity - be it a problematic behavior, a truly impressive accomplishment, when they allege SA, etc. Any time we open our mouths to criticize a woman, we must ask would we criticize a man for the same behavior, and is the criticism worth potentially harming someone? Women trying hard to accomplish goals, being messy in public, dressing in a way some may not like, having a lot of vocal fry, having a high pitched voice, etc. Are those *really* worth commenting on in and of themselves? I won't go so far as to say "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all." However, we should consider, "if you don't have anything nice to say, be certain that what you have to say speaks to a topic or issue that is worthy of comment."
"I never said she was rude" I _HATE_ this coward-ass shit. We're not babies, we can, in fact, see where steps were GOING, whether you actually get there or not. The fact that you won't say it out loud is more of a self-own than people could ever realise.
Yup, instead of sounding like a rejection, it sounds like they actually meant it. It's like kids going "I'm not touching you" while shoving their hand in your face.
@@ittixen Exactly the vibe I got too. Bunch of begging-to-be-punched cowards. The worst people of your high school become either cops or politicians, and never grow out of high school.
Yessss Tara, so good! “We want people to come off as genuine, while also not saying anything out of line” is such a good summary of the horrors of fame 👀
Blake Lively didn't get canceled after plantation wedding. She got canceled after she was 'mean' to Justin Balddoni. And was it not also Deadpool's plantation wedding? He seems to still be EVERYWHERE and successfully annoying. That's like, his thing...
@@mads597 But it's quite obtuse to act like it didn't happen in the wake of her doing It Ends With Us? it was interviews and tidbits of her life that came up conveniently around that time. prior to that she had a good to okay image especially through her marriage which a lot of ppl saw as "relatable" and "fun". the thing about the plantation wedding was known for years but no one seemed to care until it was convenient.
@eclipsa8467 I agree with you with the part about no one caring about the plantation wedding until it was convenient. I remember being angry about it at the time, but I definitely forgot about it. That being said, my current reason for disliking Blake is her callous, dismissive, and frankly shitty responses to questions about sexual assault related to her character in several interviews. "Wear your florals, bring your friends" is like her eat cake line. And she also blatantly used a dark movie about female trauma to promote her haircare line. That's a real ugly look
@@eclipsa8467 Obviously there is a targeted attack towards Blake Lively, but I've noticed more criticisms towards her (and Ryan Reynolds) over the past few years. You also mention that people didn't care about their plantation wedding "until it was convenient", but I know for a fact that many of us in the Black community were annoyed and DID care. And now there's an old video of her laughing about how she did blackface to stalk her crush.
it baffles me how many male celebrities can commit literal crimes and not lose their careers while women just being seen as annoying is enough to make them lose opportunities
In the US, an actual predator with innumerable criminal indictments and convictions was elected President over a woman who people didn't like because she wasn't "authentic" enough and had a loud laugh. Was the Trump over Harris win more complicated than that? Of course, in most ways it was. But in some very fundamental, guttural ways it wasn't really. If it had been Kevin instead of Kamala, Harris would have won.
Recently, Cameron Diaz mentioned how she knew times were changing because she was papped with a phone in the 2000s and how that impacted boundaries. So prescient.
I have fallen down the “famous woman is bad actually and we should hate her” hole before and every time I catch myself, I feel a deep embarrassment, but I never have gotten the Anne Hathaway hate!! It was and still is wild to me. That’s my home girl and I will take my parasocial friendship with her and Princess Mia to my grave.
I have a friend who always says she "hates" Kiera Knightley. I have asked her why but she says she just "doesn't like her". I think she's another case study...
Don’t like that one either😌back in the days, she was full of herself, mocking other young women in the entertainment, that were already being mocked. Hopefully, she’s much more maturer now..
I agree with your friend, she's always annoyed me for some reason but I could never place my finger on it. And that doesn't happen for me a lot and for years I've never been able to sort it out 😅 Figured it was just due to her acting not being for me.
Most famous actresses or artists probably could fit as a case study. For me, the most important give a way is they are accused or criticised not for something specific, but of a whole range of different semi offences that have nothing to do with each other and are there to create the vibe somebody is mean. Like with Lively - she wasn't criticised back in a day for her plantation wedding, she wasn't dragged over the Internet 2 years ago when she apologised for it, but now. She also wasn't long enough in the public eye to be a natural next woman to hate (I think Zendaya might be next), didn't say anything that would trigger incels, isn't a PoC taking a 'white role', etc. so it seemed like organized campaign in August. I just didn't understand why somebody would bother.
@@adapienkowska2605I will say, black people have been mad at Blake Lively for the plantation wedding for years, but it’s true that a lot of people used that as an excuse to hate her despite not caring at all
Damn, Ann Hathaway’s artful reframing of the morning show question to bring it back to the exploitation of women in the sex trade like her character makes me love her even more. I never understood the hating of women for no particular reason. Never got into the gossip magazines when I was a kid so maybe that helped prevent my brain from rotting.
When people talk about hating Anne Hathaway and how much hate she received I feel like somehow I lived under a rock because I was never aware of it and Anne has been my celebrity crush since like 2007
Its nice to hear someone talking about that journalist, her videos about the lively situation have been kind of unhinged and it feels like she's trying to capitalize on it in a gross way. I couldn't put my finger on it, but it just felt gross.
Hi so @filmcooper made a long video unpacking the situation and I believe that journalist was asked by a pr company to post those things ! She also capitalised on the depp vs heard situation
I hate this fact but i think South Park had an excellent point with their horriffic episode about Brittney Spears. The media seems to need a female scapegoat to harass all while gaslighting that there isnt anything going on in the first place. I loved your (and the cow's) take on this also! Great work!
I remember Hathahate like it was yesterday. I was firmly planted in her defense camp and it felt like I was going INSANE every time a new article came out on how polished, artificial and try-hard she was. I remember thinking they hated her because she was talented, capable, and KNEW it. They hated her Oscar speech because it was "rehearsed", like how dare she have *expected* to win. Nevermind that her win was incredibly predictable given she had won every award before the Oscars.
You compiled an all-star voice over team for this one. RUclips femmes assemble! Also loved the zoom out on this issue, situating it in a broader context that’s bigger than even just the Depp/Heard comparison.
I'm so over men like Robert Pattinson and Jamie Dornan openly despising their own characters from highly successful movie franchises that put them on the map. The misogyny of "well this is for the girls, it's not serious acting" etc is just gross. How about some humility and gratitude for having an opportunity of a lifetime to make a ton of money and have a real Hollywood career? Sure, the source material for both movie franchises was hot garbage, but if you have such high standards, then turn down the role. But they wanted both - the money and the fame, and the plausible deniability. I have no respect for this kind of behavior.
I somewhat agree with you, but in the case of Pattinson i feel like he was fully ready for to take a his role in twilight quietly and "normally" but Meyer's almost parasocial actions made it all too much to take seriously (ill come back w timestamp but theres a clip in here where he says it was strange to be playing her *literal* dream guy and I think knowing the author in a less savory way can definitely make you take works less seriously) Twilight was a multi-movie contract, so there's also the not-able-to-quit aspect and much more time for festering feelings and childishness
I am so, so relieved that more creators are doing their best to point out the damages of a hate train in the context of the Lively situation. You're also completely correct in the pushback people get for defending an "unpopular" woman, since I've seen hate comments on videos by Matt Bernstein and Ophie Dokie regarding this topic from people digging their heels in the sand for the sake of hating on this week's unpopular woman. Thank you for all the work you do!
Hate comments are always uncalled for but it’s reductive to paint every opposing viewpoint as simply seeking to hate on a famous woman for the sake of it.
I feel a bit bad for Robert Patterson mostly because I've had a job I didn't really like before and I very happily complained about it to anyone who listened. It also seems like he was a bit uncomfortable with playing a character who he perceived was written as a sexual fantasy and in a lot of people being very openly horny over him. He did choose to take the role though and I'm fairly certain he had at least some idea what it was about when he took it but its possible he didn't expect it to get as much attention as it did. My main issue with the situation generally is that if Kristen Stewart or another actress in the cast expressed similar sentiments I don't think she would get the same level of grace. Anne Hatheway not wanting to bother with a shitty interview shouldn't be seen as a big deal either. Everyone is sometimes fed up with dealing with a collegue or person adjacent to their work and might not be particularly enthusiastic speaking to them. No one should have seen it as a big deal in my opinion.
Kristen Stewart was almost as critic with her role as Pattinson. But she had much more going on that the media could pick on for people to hate her: an affaire with a married man, rumors (back then) of her being lesbian, her looks… She was also criticized for her attitude btw, just not specifically the fact that she openly hated the movie. And btw, Robert Pattinson was also criticized for his attitude, specially having in mind that both the author and fans hated him for the role. Is only time, and the fact that the movie has become kind of a meme, that has given us the perspective to see that not only he was funny, but also right.
Anne Hathaway handled the creepy AF interview with Matt Lauer like a champ! She read his ass to filth and then brought the discussion to her character in Les Mis.
Something I’ve noticed is when I see an actress or a female influencer start to become really popular I think “when will the other shoe drop and everyone starts hating her?” It sucks to think like that but I’ve seen it so much
"Anne Hathaway's face is too mature compared to the rounder faces of other female celebrities" **uses phrenology** Me: 😬😬😬😬😬😬 _______ Seriously, implying her face is "too old" is really gross and .PDFile territory. Also the use of phrenology to justify it makes it even worse.
It's so fun learning about this stuff because I was 6 in 2013 and I didn't know her (Anna Hathaway) name but I would always be excited to watch a movie with her face in it because I knew it would be good. Also watched a lot of Disney channel and they always played either Ella Enchanted or The Princess Diaries.
Not to toot my own horn here but I had no clue Anne Hathaway was hated at any point in my life. I just knew she was an actress that got an Oscar lmao what are people doing with their lives
I remember feeling a little icky by all the dog piling with Blake Lively. Goodness or badness aside, how the PR for this film was handled was NOT solely her decision (eg. wear your florals with the girl to this film about abuse!); Anne Hathaway's "over exposure" was part of her PR campaign for the Oscar - it was a strategy MANY people discussed and decided on for her. Also, why do we think Dakota Johnson can get away with such flippancy and bare faced disdain where other women can't?
As someone who has always adored Anne Hathaway I had no idea this much hate existed for her. I always thought she was adorable and I love her movies....All of this hate kind of sounds like she was just 'too pretty too perfect' so people had to pick her apart and go out of their way to find reasons to dislike her. She honestly doesn't come off as THAT annoying, and even if she did, god forbid a woman be annoying, men can be annoying all the time and the media would still treat them better. It's like she was an irl mary-sue, Idk how else to word it but anyone else get those vibes? she's pretty, talented, and she really didn't do anything wrong. The public wants to hate on women so bad even if they are the most digestible cookie cutter individual.
I've missed you, thank you for uploading and having it fall on such a horrible time for me but seeing your content has made a shitty day quite alright actually
I like the new organized presentation! It shows that you've put a lot of time and work into organizing your thoughts on this issue! I commend your hard work
I am increasingly convinced that the cow doesn't actually exist and is just a marketing gimmick Tara has come up with to make us all invested in her videos. I don't even think cows are even real. I've certainly never seen one IRL.
Sorry Amber… There needs to be a case study on this. I thought this misogynist hellscape was getting better after people started realizing how poorly famous women were treated in the early 2000s. This made me realize I thought wrong. I wish you would mention it since justin Baldoni hired the same PR as Johnny Depp but I understand why you didn’t. People still hate Heard but not Ann Hathaway. You’re right, it’s not brave to support Hathaway but it’s also not that brave to support Lively. The difference between Lively and Heard is that Lively has more money and more notoriety and therefore power when compared to Baldoni vs Heard compared to Depp. She was significantly younger, less famous and established in the industry, and less rich than him so the truth didn’t matter. Money talks but truth whispers…. Oh and sorry to Katherine Heigl too! She got blacklisted for talking about sexism in the roles women are put into on her press tour for Knocked Up. Compare that with Robert Pattinson’s situation after talking s***
for 12:07 I wanted to add the Ana from "Psychology with Dr. Ana" has a couple of very nicely done videos about the blake lively situatuion that I thought were very mind openning
I remember the Anne Hathaway hate, but I remember other people in the Black community being like..."i guess?" And never really got the hate. I was so confused by it. She didnt seem particularly more annoying or strange than any other actress or person.
I’m proud of her for speaking up against someone who mistreated her at her work, and for not folding at having her character unfairly attacked while people protect egomaniac celebrities as if that’s progress.
@@mads597what was the mistreatment? Getting annoyed that someone is talking about your pregnant body once again and laughing it off? She asks vapid and banal questions. I see male celebrities answer interviewers curtly all the time and no one bats an eye. Joaquin Phoenix literally insulted an interviewer telling him his question was boring. When are we getting out the pitch forks for him?
Im so glad I was never in "Anne Hathaway is annoying" train probably because i was off the internet but also by that time I had only recently discovered devil wears prada as well as being obsessed with Princess Diaries (and I was 13 in 2013) I LOVED Anne Hathaway and I still do
Omg, this video is reminding me of all the chaos happening on Twitter on the photos of Sydney (cassie from Eurphoria) in a bikini in her own home and a bunch of ppl (mostly men) are calling her ugly and saying she needs to d!3. I truly understand the annoyance some of these celebrities have
pattinson being the series’ most ardent hater is one of my favorite bits of that era of pop culture 😂 i get it though, the intensity of the fandom was so frightening that if he hadn’t pushed back who knows what would have happened
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diva i haven’t watched a video of yours in years and i just want to say face card is lethal and your hairstyle almost made me not recognize you! it’s very pretty though
Lol when I have Luke-warm takes on twilight that good ol eddy cullin himself had I’m suddenly “not like other girls” & have my opinions to “impress men”🤢🤢💀
I've been thinking about how Tiger King used editing tricks to convince people that Carole Baskin was the true villain in that series. When we had on-screen footage of the titular focus grooming and abusing his employees!!
Also so honored to be one of the amazing collabs in this video xxx
I always thought it was odd that people saw her as the main villain 😂 and it was an honour to have you!
Yeah, she was the victim of his murder plot yet she’s accused of murder because her husband with ties to drug lords and a pilot license disappeared. Definitely no other persons of interest or other demographics with a known penchant for violence that her husband associated with… definitely not.
Yeah and it's obscene because I had been following Big Cat Rescue for some years before the show. They do genuinely good work in advocacy. Carole Baskin is kinda weird, but she's a cat lady from Florida.
Sucks even more that Carol is still seen as a killer even though homeland security found her ex-husband living in Costa Rica with a new wife. He even gave an interview with the New York Post on the fact he was still alive and well and still she's seen as a "killer".
It took me some time but ii realized one day, "Wait, we're supposed to take the word of a sex pest cult leader and another man that was trying to kill her that Carole killed her husband?"
We're all here like "hahaha cow" but one of these days that cow is gonna show up and prove us all to be fools.
She'll just be in the background and there'll be no mention. Tara will just skip the "she couldn't be in the video..." bit. 😂
I sincerely hope one day she just rescues an old cow to live on her lot or in a stable in town 😂
And I can't wait til she has enough free time for that to happen 😍
You don't get it, do you? We've been so busy looking for the cow that we haven't seen what's right in front of our eyes. A master class in misdirection.
Tara MOOkney.
There is no Tara Mookney.
She's been a cow in a hyper realistic human suit this whole time! Wake up!!!
Imagine being so busy that people doubt your existence. Poor writer Cow, she works hard just for everyone to assume Tara did her work
25:55 Anne Hathaway handled these questions so well and it’s amazing she had an answer and didn’t burst into tears, I almost cried when she said “I’m also sad we live in a culture that commodifies the sexuality of unwilling participants”
SHE ATE THAT INTERVIEW UP and im so mad im just now seeing it. i genuinely do not see how she could have handled that any better, especially when stuck across from that absolute buffoon
There's a Ro Ramdin video where she describes Megan Fox as being "so attractive that people got angry at her" and I feel like that's how it is with alot of these
Yup. Petty jealousy, it's never a good look.
A section entitled "in defense of being annoying" oh I feel SO SAFE HERE 🙌
is defense spelled with a c in different parts of the world (like how the letter z is pronounced zed)
because both the intro scene to that section and the chapter at the bottom are spelled defence
(also if it is a minor spelling issue its not a big deal i'm just curious whats going on here)
@@log3ckert386 defense with a “c” is the british english version! both are technically correct, american english just spells it with an “s.” also hi!!! athena!!! i love your videos
This is like the fifth high quality video with the Robert Pattinson quote ”lot of books -- but they look at google images” over past few years and I can’t keep this is anymore: It wasn’t google, it was bing.
That is an amazing catch. You've raised this to a whole new level. Thank you.
Youre right but Bing was a newer and far less known competitor to Google. Even after that film people thought Bing was a fictional Google equivalent.
It's not even Bing, it's Yahoo
@@oil-and-water wasn’t bing yahoo’s search engine?
@@Sgublaka94 It's possible, I'm just going off of the fact that it shows the Yahoo logo and not the Bing logo in that scene
As someone who wasn’t really online online at all during the Hathahate trend, your explanation of it makes it sound like the general sentiment was “this famous woman is beautiful and happy and kind. I hate her” which is INSANE
It sounds like that because it, quite literally, was just that.
What a pathetic, joyless reason to hate on somebody. I am also a theater kid and I love openly and live my life authentically, and if anyone ever disliked me for that reason, I would think it was so hilarious and baffling. Honestly, if that's the reason that you hate somebody, you must be living a very sad life.
And it seems to happen to most famous actresses at some point.
I did not realise this was a thing, but I'm not at all surprised. The internet hates women. The internet hates women so much, that I often get trolled just for pointing out that the internet hates women 😂
EXACTLY i hadn't heard about it til this video
Katherine Heigl getting blacklisted from Hollywood for criticising a past project whilst Robert Pattinson can criticise a movie he is supposed to be promoting makes me so very cross.
Bruhhh that guy basically going "A photographer took a picture up your skirt, now what did you learn from that" 🤬🤬 Anne's answer was beyond perfect wow.
also calling it "wardrobe malfunction" as if her skirt had accidentally ripped or something. There was malicious intent. The photographer did it on purpose
@ckncert Man, even if it really was a “wardrobe malfunction”, asking her “what she learned” would have still been wildly inappropriate and patronizing!!
Openly hating your own cringy character in a movie series is painfully hilarious.
What the fuck Matt Lauer, my jaw dropped when he said "We've seen a lot of you lately"
hell is not hot enough
I'm blown away by Anne's response to that creepy question from the Today host. So professional, tactful, tactical, I don't think I could come up with a better answer if I sat down thinking about it for a week and it looks like she came up with it on the spot!
The real question - Who was really being annoying, Anne Hathaway or all the people incessantly yapping about how they thought she was annoying?
im so glad i wasnt plugged in enough to see the ann hathaway hate lol im a millennial. ill always love my princess diaries girl. i only learned that ppl hated her after they stopped and started feeling guilty that they hated her.
Same! I only learned about people hating her just now. I actually saw princess diaries yesterday. Gonna watch Ella enchanted tomorrow. I love her, good memories.
Something about a journalist referencing Mean Girls to explain her dislike of Anne Hathaway is just genuinely baffling. Mean Girls is a movie, and it's a movie about HIGH SCHOOLERS. 😭
It's kind of even crazier than that! Tina Fey wrote that script based on a self-help nonfiction book, "Queen Bees and Wannabes" by Rosalind Wiseman. It's basically a manual for high schoolers and their parents to navigate bullying and cliques. So that journalist (?) behaving that way is like the very point of the book and movie coming to life. I read it years ago, and I know the author wrote a few more books in the same vein, and it was honestly depressing, validating, exhausting, and enlightening all at once. There's a reason that movie hit as hard as it did. Tina Fey did a fantastic job with that script.
This is such a well researched and insightful video. I'd like to add Constance Wu as another example of a woman who's been the victim of media hate. She was deemed ungrateful for her negativity about her tv show's renewal for another season and it got really bad, she took a break from media too. I hope she'll have her redemption cycle at some point!
Can't help but think that women of colour are less likely to get this redemption arc and be given a second chance than white women who are also victim to this media phenomenon. Would like to suggest considering the intersectional nuances to this topic in your videos in future :-)
very true!
Constance Wu even had a s**cide attempt!
I feel like white women are let back in the door with the stipulation of "shut up and just look sexy" whereas WOC are exiled permanently ala Janet Hubert
Janet Jackson was blamed for Justin Timberlake’s actions when he exposed her nipple
and then it came out later that the likely reason she was upset about the renewal was that she was getting harrassed on that show!!
Her comeback interview is heartbreaking and tragic. She nearly jumped off a balcony because of the immense hate she received for not being excited for another season.
I never understand people getting annoyed at celebrities for "being everywhere", like its their fault and not the tabloids showing them in our faces. And even then... just don't engage with it? Like last year I heard a bunch about Chappell Roan, but I also clicked on all the videos about her. When it annoys me, I can just stop clicking on them???
And I didn’t click on her videos at all and thought she was a comedian when someone originally mentioned her to me for the first time
My biggest complaint with many modern movies is that there are not many new actors or actresses.
But that's more about studios wanting to draw people in with big names, and wanting a safe bet, than it is the celebrities themselves.
Its also why I tend to like TV shows more, they tend to use less well known actors, or new actors, because the less well known actors and actresses tend to have more availability than bigger actors.
And because shows tend to go on for multiple seasons, while a big name actor may be a draw initially, as the show goes on, the draw of the celebrity isn't going to be as big.
And when a show does have a big celebrity they are typically a re-occuring character, like Kesha voicing Beelzabub in Helluvaboss, which regardless of one's thoughts on the show itself, the actress for Beelzabub's singing voice (who couldn't be Kesha for contract reasons) did a great job, i didn't realise Kesha wasn't singing untill later.
The Robert Pattinson comments really remind me of Rachel Ziegler, who made far less critical, but real, comments about projects she’s been in (the needing a job for Shazam and the updating of snow while) and people have absolutely REEMED her for it! The double standard between a white man and an outspoken woman of color is soooo palpable
The way Robert Pattinson hates Twilight is honestly so funny😭 like the “for them!” is too iconic
it’s honestly beautiful
We are so hypercritical of women that: (1) it is just sexist bullying, (2) legitimate critiques get lost in the cacophony superficial nonsense, and (3) we don't take them seriously in any capacity - be it a problematic behavior, a truly impressive accomplishment, when they allege SA, etc.
Any time we open our mouths to criticize a woman, we must ask would we criticize a man for the same behavior, and is the criticism worth potentially harming someone? Women trying hard to accomplish goals, being messy in public, dressing in a way some may not like, having a lot of vocal fry, having a high pitched voice, etc. Are those *really* worth commenting on in and of themselves?
I won't go so far as to say "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all." However, we should consider, "if you don't have anything nice to say, be certain that what you have to say speaks to a topic or issue that is worthy of comment."
Well said.
I'm cracking up at Anne Hathaway having the face of the 2008 global economic crisis
Lol right? I'm so confused as to what that could POSSIBLY mean.
As a psychology student I am cackling
"I never said she was rude"
I _HATE_ this coward-ass shit. We're not babies, we can, in fact, see where steps were GOING, whether you actually get there or not.
The fact that you won't say it out loud is more of a self-own than people could ever realise.
Yup, instead of sounding like a rejection, it sounds like they actually meant it. It's like kids going "I'm not touching you" while shoving their hand in your face.
@@ittixen Exactly the vibe I got too. Bunch of begging-to-be-punched cowards.
The worst people of your high school become either cops or politicians, and never grow out of high school.
Every voiceover guest has me like "OMG I love that channel!"
The voiceover guest had me do a double take to see what video I was watching 😅😂
PS love when my favorite RUclipsrs unite ❤️
“I don’t like her because I can’t find anything not to like about her.”
Very sad
Yessss Tara, so good!
“We want people to come off as genuine, while also not saying anything out of line” is such a good summary of the horrors of fame 👀
Blake Lively didn't get canceled after plantation wedding. She got canceled after she was 'mean' to Justin Balddoni.
And was it not also Deadpool's plantation wedding? He seems to still be EVERYWHERE and successfully annoying. That's like, his thing...
She received backlash for her own remarks in her own interviews
@@mads597 But it's quite obtuse to act like it didn't happen in the wake of her doing It Ends With Us? it was interviews and tidbits of her life that came up conveniently around that time. prior to that she had a good to okay image especially through her marriage which a lot of ppl saw as "relatable" and "fun". the thing about the plantation wedding was known for years but no one seemed to care until it was convenient.
@@eclipsa8467 i do recall blake’s lawsuit mentioning astroturfing which would check out imo
@eclipsa8467 I agree with you with the part about no one caring about the plantation wedding until it was convenient. I remember being angry about it at the time, but I definitely forgot about it. That being said, my current reason for disliking Blake is her callous, dismissive, and frankly shitty responses to questions about sexual assault related to her character in several interviews. "Wear your florals, bring your friends" is like her eat cake line. And she also blatantly used a dark movie about female trauma to promote her haircare line. That's a real ugly look
@@eclipsa8467 Obviously there is a targeted attack towards Blake Lively, but I've noticed more criticisms towards her (and Ryan Reynolds) over the past few years. You also mention that people didn't care about their plantation wedding "until it was convenient", but I know for a fact that many of us in the Black community were annoyed and DID care. And now there's an old video of her laughing about how she did blackface to stalk her crush.
Interesting... actresses get into scandals over being annoying or bitchy at worst.
And men over actual horrible stuff.
But people barely pay attention to the scandal of men and it rarely impacts their careers.
I mean look at Neil Gaiman right now
Some of his fans still can’t accept the atrocious stuff he did
it baffles me how many male celebrities can commit literal crimes and not lose their careers while women just being seen as annoying is enough to make them lose opportunities
In the US, an actual predator with innumerable criminal indictments and convictions was elected President over a woman who people didn't like because she wasn't "authentic" enough and had a loud laugh.
Was the Trump over Harris win more complicated than that? Of course, in most ways it was. But in some very fundamental, guttural ways it wasn't really. If it had been Kevin instead of Kamala, Harris would have won.
Recently, Cameron Diaz mentioned how she knew times were changing because she was papped with a phone in the 2000s and how that impacted boundaries. So prescient.
I have fallen down the “famous woman is bad actually and we should hate her” hole before and every time I catch myself, I feel a deep embarrassment, but I never have gotten the Anne Hathaway hate!! It was and still is wild to me. That’s my home girl and I will take my parasocial friendship with her and Princess Mia to my grave.
I have a friend who always says she "hates" Kiera Knightley. I have asked her why but she says she just "doesn't like her". I think she's another case study...
Don’t like that one either😌back in the days, she was full of herself, mocking other young women in the entertainment, that were already being mocked. Hopefully, she’s much more maturer now..
I agree with your friend, she's always annoyed me for some reason but I could never place my finger on it. And that doesn't happen for me a lot and for years I've never been able to sort it out 😅 Figured it was just due to her acting not being for me.
Most famous actresses or artists probably could fit as a case study. For me, the most important give a way is they are accused or criticised not for something specific, but of a whole range of different semi offences that have nothing to do with each other and are there to create the vibe somebody is mean. Like with Lively - she wasn't criticised back in a day for her plantation wedding, she wasn't dragged over the Internet 2 years ago when she apologised for it, but now. She also wasn't long enough in the public eye to be a natural next woman to hate (I think Zendaya might be next), didn't say anything that would trigger incels, isn't a PoC taking a 'white role', etc. so it seemed like organized campaign in August. I just didn't understand why somebody would bother.
@@adapienkowska2605I will say, black people have been mad at Blake Lively for the plantation wedding for years, but it’s true that a lot of people used that as an excuse to hate her despite not caring at all
i had a co worker (man) who said and i quote "i dont like kamala harris, i dont know anything about her, but i dont like her."
Ha!! I knew I recognize shanespeare, princess weekes, and Jen! Thoughtful piece.
i was like « those voices are oddly familiar…. OMG! »
Damn, Ann Hathaway’s artful reframing of the morning show question to bring it back to the exploitation of women in the sex trade like her character makes me love her even more.
I never understood the hating of women for no particular reason. Never got into the gossip magazines when I was a kid so maybe that helped prevent my brain from rotting.
When people talk about hating Anne Hathaway and how much hate she received I feel like somehow I lived under a rock because I was never aware of it and Anne has been my celebrity crush since like 2007
literally!! glad i missed the era of people doing this
I didn't know either and I'm a current day hater of the Hathaway (no good reason and I don't mean to share my mild dislike)
No like fr!! All I’ve ever seem online is love and only love for her
I too had no idea ! I can’t believe anyone would hate her for … NOTHING. Good grief this world
Its nice to hear someone talking about that journalist, her videos about the lively situation have been kind of unhinged and it feels like she's trying to capitalize on it in a gross way. I couldn't put my finger on it, but it just felt gross.
Hi so @filmcooper made a long video unpacking the situation and I believe that journalist was asked by a pr company to post those things ! She also capitalised on the depp vs heard situation
@@Payasatarotno, she wasn’t asked to post. She’s just a woman sharing her own experience. But she’s not famous so it’s cool to crap on her apparently
i also heard that she got denied membership at the HFPA because she made racist remarks towards claudie kim…so yeah she’s a grifter
The cycle: "Wait, a cow wrote this?" - "Pff, no wonder a cow writes this" - "All I wanna say is, there better be cow writing this"
I love fan girling out when I recognize the other people who are featured reading out passages. Love you Reverend Jen ❤
hehe i just commented the same!! jennonites unite
Me too!
Finally, some good fucking food
HIIIIIIIIIII
@TaraMooknee when are you two collabing again already? 😤
I never thought YOU would cheat on the cow... learned a lot about you today, damn.
I hate this fact but i think South Park had an excellent point with their horriffic episode about Brittney Spears. The media seems to need a female scapegoat to harass all while gaslighting that there isnt anything going on in the first place.
I loved your (and the cow's) take on this also! Great work!
oh good, im not the only one who thought of that episode
Women
Can’t
Win
It’s exhausting 😤
Capitalism means the only women who win are the ultra-rich.
32:27 You know what they had in common? They were all icons for queer people and we stuck by them. We see talent and fierceness.
Look at how the internet laughs with Patterson (rightfully so he’s too funny) but is triggered and laughs AT Rachel Ziegler
I remember Hathahate like it was yesterday. I was firmly planted in her defense camp and it felt like I was going INSANE every time a new article came out on how polished, artificial and try-hard she was. I remember thinking they hated her because she was talented, capable, and KNEW it. They hated her Oscar speech because it was "rehearsed", like how dare she have *expected* to win. Nevermind that her win was incredibly predictable given she had won every award before the Oscars.
THE REVEREND JEN VOICE HELLO
You compiled an all-star voice over team for this one. RUclips femmes assemble!
Also loved the zoom out on this issue, situating it in a broader context that’s bigger than even just the Depp/Heard comparison.
the part at 9:05 was just...painful. I can't believe a news reporter would lack that much tact.
3 news reporters 😢
Thanks for including my comment. Weird being at work and hearing my own words read back to me in a video from one of my favorite channels.
Twilight Renesmeessance
💀💀💀
I'm so over men like Robert Pattinson and Jamie Dornan openly despising their own characters from highly successful movie franchises that put them on the map. The misogyny of "well this is for the girls, it's not serious acting" etc is just gross. How about some humility and gratitude for having an opportunity of a lifetime to make a ton of money and have a real Hollywood career? Sure, the source material for both movie franchises was hot garbage, but if you have such high standards, then turn down the role. But they wanted both - the money and the fame, and the plausible deniability. I have no respect for this kind of behavior.
I somewhat agree with you, but in the case of Pattinson i feel like he was fully ready for to take a his role in twilight quietly and "normally" but Meyer's almost parasocial actions made it all too much to take seriously (ill come back w timestamp but theres a clip in here where he says it was strange to be playing her *literal* dream guy and I think knowing the author in a less savory way can definitely make you take works less seriously) Twilight was a multi-movie contract, so there's also the not-able-to-quit aspect and much more time for festering feelings and childishness
omg nooo thats such a cute response in the interview "why would i tell you" its FUNNY i love her
I am so, so relieved that more creators are doing their best to point out the damages of a hate train in the context of the Lively situation. You're also completely correct in the pushback people get for defending an "unpopular" woman, since I've seen hate comments on videos by Matt Bernstein and Ophie Dokie regarding this topic from people digging their heels in the sand for the sake of hating on this week's unpopular woman. Thank you for all the work you do!
Hate comments are always uncalled for but it’s reductive to paint every opposing viewpoint as simply seeking to hate on a famous woman for the sake of it.
Nah Blake and Ryan give me the skeeves. They use queerness as a gimmick and throw minorities under the bus constantly.
hell yeah Ophie mention!!!
I feel a bit bad for Robert Patterson mostly because I've had a job I didn't really like before and I very happily complained about it to anyone who listened. It also seems like he was a bit uncomfortable with playing a character who he perceived was written as a sexual fantasy and in a lot of people being very openly horny over him. He did choose to take the role though and I'm fairly certain he had at least some idea what it was about when he took it but its possible he didn't expect it to get as much attention as it did.
My main issue with the situation generally is that if Kristen Stewart or another actress in the cast expressed similar sentiments I don't think she would get the same level of grace. Anne Hatheway not wanting to bother with a shitty interview shouldn't be seen as a big deal either. Everyone is sometimes fed up with dealing with a collegue or person adjacent to their work and might not be particularly enthusiastic speaking to them. No one should have seen it as a big deal in my opinion.
Kristen Stewart was almost as critic with her role as Pattinson. But she had much more going on that the media could pick on for people to hate her: an affaire with a married man, rumors (back then) of her being lesbian, her looks… She was also criticized for her attitude btw, just not specifically the fact that she openly hated the movie. And btw, Robert Pattinson was also criticized for his attitude, specially having in mind that both the author and fans hated him for the role. Is only time, and the fact that the movie has become kind of a meme, that has given us the perspective to see that not only he was funny, but also right.
case in point: rachel zegler got dogpiled on for doing much less (a lot of which was taken out of context mind you)
Omg the star power of having ASHLEY NORTON’s voice in this video????? I simply cannot
sucks that young women in Hollywood and other notable professions get so much unnecessary shit for basically doing nothing but existing.
13:09 More Shanspeare voice over appearances, pretty please, this is my favorite voice on RUclips lol-
Haven’t watched it yet, but the cow better be there Tara😡
the cow has some beef with Tara and won't be in the video
Off-topic, but I LOVE that you included that eel footage 🩵 Those were really cute eels
Anne Hathaway handled the creepy AF interview with Matt Lauer like a champ! She read his ass to filth and then brought the discussion to her character in Les Mis.
Something I’ve noticed is when I see an actress or a female influencer start to become really popular I think “when will the other shoe drop and everyone starts hating her?” It sucks to think like that but I’ve seen it so much
"Anne Hathaway's face is too mature compared to the rounder faces of other female celebrities"
**uses phrenology**
Me: 😬😬😬😬😬😬
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Seriously, implying her face is "too old" is really gross and .PDFile territory. Also the use of phrenology to justify it makes it even worse.
I was watching this in the background and I had to pause and double check where I was when I heard Reverend Jen's voice 😅 Never stop the collabs!
It's so fun learning about this stuff because I was 6 in 2013 and I didn't know her (Anna Hathaway) name but I would always be excited to watch a movie with her face in it because I knew it would be good. Also watched a lot of Disney channel and they always played either Ella Enchanted or The Princess Diaries.
I’m here for every video you create!! I love your content!
Not to toot my own horn here but I had no clue Anne Hathaway was hated at any point in my life.
I just knew she was an actress that got an Oscar lmao what are people doing with their lives
I remember feeling a little icky by all the dog piling with Blake Lively. Goodness or badness aside, how the PR for this film was handled was NOT solely her decision (eg. wear your florals with the girl to this film about abuse!); Anne Hathaway's "over exposure" was part of her PR campaign for the Oscar - it was a strategy MANY people discussed and decided on for her.
Also, why do we think Dakota Johnson can get away with such flippancy and bare faced disdain where other women can't?
Blake still tried to promote her alcohol brand with the help of a movie about a violent alcoholic. Weird move.
@MariaJohanna that wasn’t intentional. That happened because the pandemic caused delays and the timing was an awkward a coincidence.
@@MollysDeviceah yes the unintentional branded cocktail named after the movie abuser
Dakota is a nepo baby and she has been criticized a lot during the madame web press run
It would be cool to hear one on Rachel zeggler ...She's been the latest target of the internet
As someone who has always adored Anne Hathaway I had no idea this much hate existed for her. I always thought she was adorable and I love her movies....All of this hate kind of sounds like she was just 'too pretty too perfect' so people had to pick her apart and go out of their way to find reasons to dislike her. She honestly doesn't come off as THAT annoying, and even if she did, god forbid a woman be annoying, men can be annoying all the time and the media would still treat them better. It's like she was an irl mary-sue, Idk how else to word it but anyone else get those vibes? she's pretty, talented, and she really didn't do anything wrong. The public wants to hate on women so bad even if they are the most digestible cookie cutter individual.
I've missed you, thank you for uploading and having it fall on such a horrible time for me but seeing your content has made a shitty day quite alright actually
Wow did Jen from fundie fridays do the voiceover for the reading parts? Sounds so much like her. Love the videos! Keep m coming!
i always love the quote readings from other creators, i get excited when i recognize a voice!
i really needed some content from a comfort youtuber today, thank you tara!! i hope you’re doing well ❤️
edit: OMG JEN!! i know that voice anywhere :)
I can't believe that I've been on the internet since 1999 and I'm just now learning that people hated Anne Hathaway
I like the new organized presentation! It shows that you've put a lot of time and work into organizing your thoughts on this issue! I commend your hard work
Thanks so much!
Actors slagging off their paychecks used to be way more common and bring that energy back.
Me finding out later in life that anna Hathway was majorly hated was insane to me clearly i wasnt on that side of the internet
She had a wish, a desire, and "it came true". How dare she.
These videos are my academia
I am professor 🤣 🤣
I am increasingly convinced that the cow doesn't actually exist and is just a marketing gimmick Tara has come up with to make us all invested in her videos.
I don't even think cows are even real. I've certainly never seen one IRL.
You really took me back to the PSATs with that one
If everyone hates Anne Hathaway then I am dead. I didn’t even realize people hated her. She’s awesome.
Had no idea anyone hated Anne Hathaway, I've always just adored her!
Sorry Amber… There needs to be a case study on this. I thought this misogynist hellscape was getting better after people started realizing how poorly famous women were treated in the early 2000s. This made me realize I thought wrong. I wish you would mention it since justin Baldoni hired the same PR as Johnny Depp but I understand why you didn’t. People still hate Heard but not Ann Hathaway. You’re right, it’s not brave to support Hathaway but it’s also not that brave to support Lively. The difference between Lively and Heard is that Lively has more money and more notoriety and therefore power when compared to Baldoni vs Heard compared to Depp. She was significantly younger, less famous and established in the industry, and less rich than him so the truth didn’t matter. Money talks but truth whispers…. Oh and sorry to Katherine Heigl too! She got blacklisted for talking about sexism in the roles women are put into on her press tour for Knocked Up. Compare that with Robert Pattinson’s situation after talking s***
How have I not seen the Cara Delevigne clip before, it’s hilarious
for 12:07 I wanted to add the Ana from "Psychology with Dr. Ana" has a couple of very nicely done videos about the blake lively situatuion that I thought were very mind openning
I remember the Anne Hathaway hate, but I remember other people in the Black community being like..."i guess?" And never really got the hate. I was so confused by it. She didnt seem particularly more annoying or strange than any other actress or person.
I heard Shans voice and my head shot up lmao
I'm here for the cat hanging out with its back to you. Classic.
I honestly despise that interviewer. I think she’s bad at her job and getting high off the hate she’s cultivating.
I’m proud of her for speaking up against someone who mistreated her at her work, and for not folding at having her character unfairly attacked while people protect egomaniac celebrities as if that’s progress.
@@mads597what was the mistreatment? Getting annoyed that someone is talking about your pregnant body once again and laughing it off?
She asks vapid and banal questions.
I see male celebrities answer interviewers curtly all the time and no one bats an eye. Joaquin Phoenix literally insulted an interviewer telling him his question was boring. When are we getting out the pitch forks for him?
Im so glad I was never in "Anne Hathaway is annoying" train probably because i was off the internet but also by that time I had only recently discovered devil wears prada as well as being obsessed with Princess Diaries (and I was 13 in 2013) I LOVED Anne Hathaway and I still do
Had to double take! The twilight purse!!! omg my Aunt had that purse and I was so jealous lmfao you just unlocked a childhood memory!
I WAS LITERALLY WONDERING WHERE WERE YOU (AGAIN)
:)
Wow. Excellent video. Very well put.
“I think we all sing” was such a layered reference to just pop in there lmao
Omg, this video is reminding me of all the chaos happening on Twitter on the photos of Sydney (cassie from Eurphoria) in a bikini in her own home and a bunch of ppl (mostly men) are calling her ugly and saying she needs to d!3. I truly understand the annoyance some of these celebrities have
What a stacked cast! All my favorites in one vid
Anne has and still is so level headed, it is outstanding her endurance
pattinson being the series’ most ardent hater is one of my favorite bits of that era of pop culture 😂 i get it though, the intensity of the fandom was so frightening that if he hadn’t pushed back who knows what would have happened
Tara, thank you so much for your content. I really appreciate all your hard work 💞.
Love this video and your incredibly precise analysis. A breath of fresh air online. You're so appreciated!❤❤❤
13:13 I LOVE HEARING SHANSPEARE HERE