"He Has Ties To Boogaloo Bois!" - SerfsTV Debate
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- Опубликовано: 8 июл 2024
- DEBATE: Destiny debates Lance (SerfsTV) on the military and whether or not they should be allowed to recruit in high schools and on Twitch. Lance also brings up two controversial topics; the N-word debate, Kenosha and Kyle...
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0:00 - Teaser/Intro
1:24 - Destiny coming out as non-binary
3:35 - Military debate
59:40 - N-Word Debate
1:15:38 - Kenosha
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Geez, Desitny sounding exactly like Ben Shapiro at 34:26, his voice goes all high pitched and everything, because when you sympathize with Nazis your balls shrink. I genuinely h-a-t-e Destiny after listening to him here, what a coward, he is actually worse than steven crowder and ben shapiro combined, he is like their lovechild
Who asked?
I hope you find your way out of the echo chamber some day, my friend!
You should do some prep and talk to Destiny. Maybe you can change his mind or he can change yours lol
TOXIC MASCULINITY SMH
Askers?
"Congratulations on identifying as non-binary!"
"Why?"
That fucking killed me
Was the perfect setup for how this conversation was about to go. Dude isn't the brightest bulb in the box.
Lol. Yeah, me too. Not even sure why that was so funny, but genuinely loled. He sounded so serious and suspicious when he said it
I think it's an interesting topic, but I don't think it's really Lance's thing; I found his trans representative kinda slapdash. To me, I might congratulate someone on a new gender identity because it often involves a struggle (internal or external) and its really neat to realize a new facet of yourself. And on a societal level it combats the stigma associated with gender and sexual identities. It's not about it being worthy of praise as much as it is trying to dissolve the associated shame; kinda like fat acceptance. It's not something I expect of people, but it's a nice thing to do.
@@HadBabits Would you congratulate someone if they detransitioned?
@@signoguns8501 yes, since that would be the same kind of radical change in their life. You're essentially congratulating them for finding themselves.
The Serfs: *casually joins stream*
Destiny: "How many times do we have to teach you this lesson old man??"
@@bobpope3656 Lance is like 40 I think, maybe less IDRK
@@williamcozart8158 i think hes like mid-30s
'he's old' is a piss poor argument.
You know everyone gets older right?
I don't know how old you are but I hope you're young and arrogant, because when father time catches up with you, inevitably, the fall and following midlife crisis will be so much greater for you lol :)
@@whowatchesthewatchmen1127 r/woosh. It's a spongebob reference
@@Zawhomafu aha, a reference for a child, it's understandable that I wouldn't get it then lmao
I'm a combat engineer, recruiters advertise my job as quote "infantry but you blow more shit up" and I don't remember the last time I had a killing dudes class. My typical day is mopping floors and confirming my vehicle is indeed still broken.
You mean you haven't met your daily quota for bombing brown children?
I really don't understand why people think every aspect of the military is CoD. Super hyperbole.
Isn't the infantryman's job to 'kill dudes' when they're called upon to do so?
@@theangrycheeto If we are in a conflict and have troops on the ground fighting, yeah.
But first you have to be deployed to a combat zone, then you have to enter combat.
@@b-spiral8314 white affluent rich socialist kids out of touch with reality?!
No fucking way dude.
@@b-spiral8314 somehow the idea of having trillions upon trillions of dollars of military equipment, personnel and weapons just lying around and doing fuckall isn't really that much better, its almost like leeching people's money into an obsolete military isn't very effective. Especially since even the US can't risk full blown wars with other developed countries, so your military is reduced to upholding colonial power over third world countries and that's about it.
Destiny: “Being pro-cop doesn’t automatically make you a white nationalist.”
It’s pretty sad that this has to be said. 🤦♂️
That doesn’t mean that the vast majority of people who “support” police do so as a response to BLM. Which regardless of what you think of BLM, that is a blatantly racist act and thought process
@@grayson0916 Actually it's not racist act or thought process. Supporting police and not liking BLM doesn't have to mean it's coming from anything even regarding racism. You can quite fairly not support BLM after seeing all the riots and what was happening in Portland and how these groups would go through neighbourhoods in the middle of the night with a megaphone waking people up. Seeing or experiencing those types of things will naturally turn people off and away from supporting such groups.
@@grayson0916 That must mean a lot of black people and other minorities are horrible racists based on your reasoning. Contrary to what lefties think, everyone that supports the police/law enforcement isn’t white. Just look at ICE’s demographics on the border.
@@grayson0916 Are the people in the Pacific NW supporting the police over Antifa being anti-white racists in doing so?
@@dannygelbart6827 very few hispanics support BLM, not liking BLM because they looted your store or destroyed your business or neighborhood is reasonable and has nothing to do with white nationalism.
Destiny is actually ABAB, assigned beyduh at birth
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Amazin'
@@glenrichardson8266 UHMAZIN
askers
who a u close to you mamma or you dadda
Man, the recent videos have all the MOST destiny topics. Rittenhouse, n word in private, incest, all the works.
its the fan service arc
This is the flashback filler arc
Socialistas Slaying ARC best ARC
Well that's because the Serfs never wants to actually debate the topic, he just pivots and throw shit for optics as usual.
Makes a claim => Claim gets dismantled => But Whatabout..../But that's because 'insert something irrelevant'
And 99% of his audience has no intention of listening to the other party so it works. They just hear the buzz words they like, and the one they don't like.
These are my favourite topics from destiny
TheSerfs is so out of his depth, it’s almost admirable how he keeps coming back for perpetual asswhoopings
And it’s still going…
Honestly I think it's unironically admirable that he's at least having a conversation, better than Vaush.
how can he keep getting away with these AoT references
For some reason if someone uses an anime reference in a debate I immediately lose interest.
@@Aristhesz Good thing you miss most of them anyway, I suppose
This is not the content I'd imagine the half life aussie watching
Gotta spice the talk up with dank weeb dreams
@@Aristhesz AoT is not an anime. It's art.
Boy that first anecdote. It sounds like the recruiter was helping out a homeless girl by giving her a place to go workout and have company. Bet the recruiter bought them lunch too. What a piece if shit. Kill me.
I mean you have to wonder what was going on in that recruiters head, 15 yearold and homeless , I guess its not fair to ignore the virtue of people because their job is related to the military but if someone is going to become prey against grooming into the military, a 15 yearold girl that is homeless is probably pretty high up on that list.
If you can't understand how that is predatory, I don't know what to tell you. The recruiter just has to get the person to sign up so that they can use the new recruit as part of a quota they need to advance in rank. Recruiters can and often will lie about things like, oh I don't know, the fact that 1 in 4 (or 1 in 5, I don't remember which) women in the US Air Force get sexually assaulted in their workplace, and this is only counting the instances that are reported. Maybe a woman would want to know something like that before they sign up for something they can't back out of.
@@hughquigley5337 sexually harassed*
Not sexually assualted. Very big difference. Very important difference.
@@daltonbrasier5491 Actually, no, it was not sexual harassment... it was sexual assault. I can go digging and find the study for you if you'd like, but it really is sexual assault. I did get one thing wrong tho: it is actually the Air Force, not the military. I don't think it is unreasonable to assume that the problem is roughly just as serious in every department, but I obviously cannot say for sure. Oh and also the rate of sexual assault for men is also extraordinarily high. Nowhere nearly as high as for women, mind you, but still shockingly high (I think 1 in 10 or 1 in 15? I would have to double check)
@@hughquigley5337 You mean the same study where the Air Force concluded that the majority of those claims were false reports?
Yeah, the military isn’t perfect. But steps have already been taken years ago to address this issue. The problem is that people like you think that’s all that happens in the military. You’ve never been in and it’s obvious. The huge amount of benefits of being in are all lost on you because you only highlight this one issue in the military.
I don’t understand people like you. You know nothing about the military yet you want to make all these bold assertions. I would feel so insecure if I was going around talking shit about something I know nothing about. Yet you do it without hesitation.
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Rittenhouse and incest in the same title will break RUclips, #1 trending worldwide for a week
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Large reason why veterans have so many issue after they leave the military is due to the great difference of structure of the military and civilian life. In the military, you are taught to basically rely on others with your life and you can't often do that in civilian life. As well as other stuff too.
there is so much that is wrong with the arguments that are made. 0 empathy for people who do the really hard jobs -.-
That doesnt sound right.
Exactly. This is why listening to civilians talk about the military is unbearable sometimes. They have all these strong opinions and yet they just truly don’t understand even the very base level aspects of being in the military. It isn’t just some job you go to 9-5. It’s a complete lifestyle switch. You’re under an entirely separate set of laws and regulations.
If you haven’t been there, you really just can’t be critical of it in my opinion. Hearing this serfs fool ramble on is painful. It’s like someone trying to criticize Einstein’s theory of relativity yet they never even graduated high school. Like you are so lost and have no clue what you’re talking about.
@@daltonbrasier5491 what doesn’t sound right?
@@daltonbrasier5491 he 110% correct on this one
The military recruiter in our highschool left me on read
I like how at 34:30 when Serfs is questioning his claims about the music industry, he immediately breaks into a speed rap to demonstrate his knowledge of what he's talking about.
1:02:00
Serfs: "Do you believe this is related to a double standard?"
Destiny: I don't care about the double standard aspect at all...
Serfs: Let me explain how the double standard argument isn't valid.
..........
This dude has not the faintest clue as to what the current military is like, he's watched (and its sounds like based his premise) too many war movies
To be fair, foreign policy seems to be the area the breadtube struggles the most. As well as economics.
That man really just said "police In america are trained to shoot first" he's clearly never seen a single second of a police training video
It's funny/sad when you see the whole spectrum of ideologies and view points and you realize that left rhetoric is killing more black people than rassist cops could ever do.
It's like rassists are pushing black people down the cliff while the left is pulling them into it from the other side.
he watched 'surviving edged weapons'
It's amazing none of them watch any of the body cam footage from those body cameras they demanded. Or they're so dishonest they see videos like the officer responding to a domestic disturbance and has a woman come out with a knife and stab her in the neck before anything could be said, and paint the shooting response to an officer being stabbed as "trained to shoot first"
One thing Theserfs does that you can really notice is the idea of looking up facts on the spot. At the beginning of the debate he was able to source multiple papers that “proved” his point about the army and domestic violence.
However, not even 20 minutes later, he just can’t seem to be able to Google the data that’s he’s using once disputed, almost like it either 1. Doesn’t exist, or 2. Isn’t as effective once it’s thoroughly understood rather then being used as a gotcha.
Shits weird to see. 🤷🏽♂️
As a military police officer thats been in for 4 years I have to say. I deeply wish I was a part of this conversation. I feel like they both missed SO much of why domestic violence, suicide, and sexual assault is such an issue in the military.
Care to elaborate brother? I want to hear your insight
Yeah I have no experience in military but while I was listening both of their arguments I was thinking they are missing a lot, begining with the military life as whole, not only the combat/training & profile of people who tend to join. From the top of my head I can think in the isolation, the codes, morals, inner social pressure, losses, bulling etc
@@harpsmith8570 the mental and physical health of young people just getting out of high school. Then they're thrown into a life of responsibility and pressure and stress and money and smoking and drinking. Alot of soldiers get married within a few months of knowing someone. Because you get alot of money when you get married you can get a house. You can get a dog. You can get away from your work and barracks responsibilities. So they jump into a marriage, deployment, work stress, limited free time, kids, money problems. Divorce. Then they start drinking. Everyone in the military knows someone with a story like that. It's apart of the culture almost. The training is actually one of the few things PREVENTING domestic violence and drug use and sexual assault and equally opportunity. It's the culture around the military that is the problem.
@@beandon7227
Yeah I would completely agree here. Most guys get in at about 20. And then take on way too much personal responsibility, and do not think forward more than a year or so. And then when deployment comes around they now have a very difficult time balancing that along with their new, never before seen or handled family life. And it caves in on top of them.
@@beandon7227 it seems like life is happening so fast that youre not able to process things you normally would as a regular civilian. that sounds like a tremendous amount of pressure for people so young
Destiny roasting TheSerfs chat while he was gone was the funniest shit
Timestamp pretty please
That jeopardy quip about online leftists was gold
Q: Is Destiny actually non-binary?
A) Yes.
B) Yes. >:)
B
Can confirm. When I joined army my first class was "killing people" my second class was "sexual assault: how to". that was the training we got then it was off to war.
I get the "coming up" intro to keep engagement, but does it need to be 1.30min long?
@@Big-Papa-Smurf I get annoyed when a topic comes up tangentially and then the recap is five minutes from a video I saw two days ago. I know not everybody watches most of Destiny's stuff but still, do a quick "Hey, want to know what this is about? Here's an annotation and timestamp. Done".
skip it
if only RUclips allowed you to skip forward in a video
You can't sit through a minute and a half intro but you can listen to an hour and a half+ debate?
“You identify as non binary now?”
“Yes”
“Congrats! That’s awesome!”
Lol what? Why? Nothing has changed. Almost anyone can call themselves non binary.
I know, it’s not like his family disowned him or he got kicked out/abused for coming out.
Somebody as popular as Destiny coming out as non binary expands the level of representation nb folk have in media, and in turn younger or questioning people who would be more susceptible to harassment are more comfortable with their own identity.
Destiny definitely knows this and was just being a dick lmao
@@stealthmaster96 im pretty sure he already said something like that he only calls himself non binary because far lefties cant call him transphobic anymore. And it fucking works. Thats why he said he didnt care what serfs refers to him as, as long as serfs doesn't be a huge cock in the ass about trans issues.
Almost every person can be non-binary. This is like one or two steps removed from simply calling himself 'human named destiny'.
At the end of the day it might still be a good way to showing more trans representation, whether or not he did it for selfish reasons. I just think its funny how well it works as a shield against false claims that destiny is transphobic. Literally nothing about his views has changed, only the name he calls himself. Just goes to show how meritless the claims that he is transphobic are.
@@YemYum I don’t know if you’ve taken a peek into the trans community, but we tear each other apart for being transphobic. I’ve experienced less transphobia from cisgender people than from other trans people. I don’t think coming out as non-binary would change the minds of wokescolds, and I don’t think Steven would care either way. He’s literally just a dirtbag enbie-maybe people have trouble believing that because he doesn’t fit the stereotype of an obese AFAB with purple hair needing an excuse to call people transphobic?
“The homeless woman experience” is this a new VR game that i haven’t heard about?
There was a game (or a fake trailer) called Bum Simulator or something. Don't remember if it was supposed to be vr or not.
@@bennymountain1 there actually is a homeless simulator game out there. I think JFJ or Jerma985 did a video on it
What does this guy think military/police training looks like? I don't know about the US, but over here being able to keep your cool in high pressure situations is considered important... an emotionally unstable killer does not make a good soldier.
A LOT spend a lot of time in the Brig due to not following rules and fighting. Then they don't even make it pass boot camp depending on which branch they end up in and what they want to do means some may never see combat at all. Let alone be armed
Right... thats why Trump had to pardon that serial killer, that was a SEAL and was killing so many civilians including children, his own unit was messing with his scope
@@PilsnerGrip you mean that guy that served 20 years as a medic and sniper earning 4 good conduct medals and on his last deployment called seal members cowards and reported them for it and would make some of them fire a recoilless rifle a dozen times (a type of thing a drill sergeant would do as punishment) so they started accusing him of petty things like looting power bars from care packages, and after 6 months of the deployment ending when they learned he would earn a silver star suddenly accuse him of things they couldn't even get consistent but couldn't say these accusations in court without incriminating themselves so they pled the 5th? Under a judicial system where a vice admiral (thats 3 stars) in charge of everything as the top prosecutor had been accused of interfering with cases involving seals by pressuring admirals judging cases for the results he wanted? With the NCIS that goes hard after special troops, seals especially, for the ego boost? You do know the UCMJ doesn't have the same due process civilian court does right?
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A debate with TheSpineTV? These are always good-faith and productive conversations!
Saw this live and was SHOCKED how different this Lance is from "this is why I call you spineless" Lance he seems to have graduated from the Destiny debate support group
@@nicholasburge9594 if you think anybody detected a spine in that loser throughout this whole conversation, I would suggest you rewatch the debate.
I like the dude even if he is spineless, he isn't as bad as Mike [REDACTED] [REDACTED]
@@Potatotenkopf thats a really low standard you got there mate
@@christiansianipar9559 sure i still think he's better than Mike though
How dare the government try to advertise a program that will allow you to get free college and high school
nice to see the castle coming along with each upload
I remember the days when it was just a couple of stone blocks in the ground.
What game is this? If you know that is lol
@@grayson0916 valheim
@@98haunter thank you kind sir
The contract part was so ill informed it was crazy... You're first contract is for 4 years then you sign a new contract every year after that meaning you can essentially quit at any point past the 4 year mark. And so long as you fulfill that first contract you get the college grants.
Depends on the branch, generally across the board your initial contract is 8 years, 4 active/4 reserve. My contract in the Marines was actually a 5/3 split due to the length/cost of my job training. I had air force buddies in the same job field and theirs was a 6/2 split. After your first 4/5 years active, you have the option to sign another contract that’s 4/3 years active to finish out the initial commitment. Other branches like the army let you do like 2/3 year initial active contracts, but after your first one I’ve never heard of 1 year commitments outside of niche cases and officers.
As a victim of beatings as child, I can tell you that mental and verbal abuse can be worse because I got to the point where the shouting was leading up to a beating somewhere down the line, and I just wanted the beating over and done with to get away from it, respite.
Edit:After a while the beatings didn't hurt, it was the anticipation that became the worst part.
People deal with things differently though.
Yep, if a couple just shouts at one another that's also very different from using shouting as intimidation to control your partner.
I agree to a degree with both comments here. (A high degree)
my father was very violent with me cuz he didn't have the skills to be able to discuss and debate things he didn't like. So when things would hit the fan his go-to was insulting and hitting. I would like to think it made me stronger in the long run, now considering I have three children and two with special needs so I have to have an extreme amount of patience and understanding. But the fact of the matter remains, just going to the store and seeing how parents treat their kids triggers the hell out of me. I'm now an anxietal depressed riddled person but watching that in my childhood sure taught me not to hit women or children.
Sorry for the diatribe, I hope both of you have an amazing day week and year
@@Phil.Anthropy "Sure taught me not to hit women or children" and other men too I would hope?
@@Phil.Anthropy I'm glad you got through it, and you've managed to break the cycle
(it often is a cycle sadly) by treating your kids differently to how you were treated.
I'm an older guy, when I was a kid beating children was the done thing, even teachers at school were allowed to administer physical punishment to us in those days, things have improved a little since then luckily, I know what you mean when it comes to seeing other parents hitting their kids when you're out.
It's not a diatribe my friend, its better to communicate these things to people than bottle things up inside, good luck hope the future brings more happiness to you and your family :)
@@whowatchesthewatchmen1127 it isn't easy, but like I heard so much growing up nobody ever said it was going to be. I'm in that weird Crux where I'm 34 with a 64 mindset. A lot of my peers find me to be too old fashioned and a lot of older people find me too be out of place cause they relate to even some of my extreme ideals. I just package it well enough to explain.
Had a co-worker with a trans daughter and fixed their relationship after not speaking for 5 years, only because he felt bad on how I was treated to this day by my mother. It's an easy leap to show how he's treating her isn't that much different. But we all need to take the time to listen with an open mind.
I'm sorry for the long winded reply but I am also sorry for the old times. It really couldn't been easy and it must be worse to some watching The Young ones grow up having it so easy. I could make the argument wasn't that the point of working so hard? but I don't think you're the person that needs that argument said to them, you seem to get it. Be well
Edit: I apologize for long takes because of my wife, I didn't repeat the apology because I didn't read what you said. It's just because at some point it's a default LOL
Boeing Literally had an event in Elementary school recruiting kids by saying things like "Do you wanna help build airplanes?" and showing us all sorts of cool stuff about engineering and construction of planes.
Yeah but who asked?
No seriously this has nothing to do with the topics discussed. Boeing is not part of the US military.
@@ReddoFreddo Boeing does work with the military quite often iirc.
@@hjonirving8435 Every Boeing employee is a civilian, if you work for Boeing, you are not a soldier, or part of the military in any way whatsoever. Boeing recruiting kids in schools is not related to the military recruiting kids in schools, they are completely separate entities.
The same goes for Lockheed Martin, Colt, and any other company you can think of that makes military equipment.
The Serfs has an issue with the military recruiting in schools, Boeing recruiting in schools is simply not relevant to the discussion.
@@ReddoFreddo wait where did the original comment say that boeing employees are soldiers? I seemed to have missed that.
And it's weird to think people blame all "soldiers" more than the executives who sign these contracts, or congress members who declare the wars/attacks.
Anecdote. The only reason people in Europe know the N word (a version and r version. Is because of the huge influx of Afro-American pop music.
We hear it constantly on the radio on TV and on the Internet. People love those songs and sing along. Inevitably singing the N word.
So i agree with Destiny 300%. If you think that singing among that word or using it in any context spreads racism. Why condone pop culture that has popularised use of the word worldwide.
If it really is harmful regardless of context. Then we should strive to eliminate it everywhere.
Otherwise I thi k it's time to admit time place and context dictate whether it's harmful
“Can six by nine say it” sent me
A good argument about the n-word, too (I'm African-American, btw), is to wonder if people who are technically 1 percent black can say it if *race is the only determiner.* For example, if Destiny got a DNA test and it turned out that he was 1 percent black, would he then gain the ability to say it since he is *technically* of descent?
Basically, that tree would just trim down to how context is the most reasonable scale to who/how the n-word can be said or sold. It's glaringly clear whenever a white person is just rapping along with a song or when they are trying to degrade another human being (note: Only really applies with the "soft a"; I don't think hard r is nearly as socially acceptable, understandably)
Any word you can say, so can I, regardless of admixture
34:30 rap god destiny spits fire and leaves the surfs a bumbling mess
Lol, mumble rap doesn’t equate to a military in any way shape or form.
underrated comment
Holy shit i missed that
Hey but He just said right after that he agrees with the surfs point
He did the whole "someone is at my door" trip. Very sneaky
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To the point about the congratulations at the beginning for coming out as non-binary, I feel that it is a thing that many people have a problem doing and it is seen as a brave thing to do, and so people feel the need to show support/appreciation. This seems to me to be the undergirding sentiment.
Then, TheSerfs answer seemed to me to be him scrambling to find an answer when he was completely caught of guard, not expecting to be challenged on it.
What was that thing they mentioned after pronouns? It sounded like "do positive".
@@nathantripathy dude positive?
@@KrackerUncle Yes! I was trying to look it up and I couldn't because I couldn't get close enough to typing it out accurately.
@@nathantripathy you are fine being called "dude"
The serfs entire online presence can be described as being completely caught off guard because he is surprised that he's actually being challenged on something.
"just walk into school grounds" maybe I'm wrong but I would be incredibly surprised if military recruiters could just turn up unannounced to a school and just wander it and get free reign it seems incredibly unlikely
askers
children shouldnt make adult decisions
this argument from serfs can destroy so many things he agrees with.
sex changes before 18 gone
colleges in schools gone
imancipation from your parents at 16 gone
sports recruiters gone.
Holy Christ. It's beginning to get REAL annoying that EVERY N-word debate is going down the same damn road. No one is actually adressing Destinys actual claim, because they misunderstand it, and Destiny is (frustatingly so) not adressing the obvious misunderstanding.
So Destiny States that IF just hearing the N word AS A WHITE PERSON is likely to cause harmful bias, and that's why it shouldn't be allowed to be used in private, it SHOULD follow that those harmful biases would also happen if they just hear it in popular media, therefore it shouldn't be used at all in any public setting (to avoid white people becomming more biased towards black people).
But people seem to be stuck on some weird "double standard" argument, where they think that destiny is arguing "if i am not allowed, no one should be allowed"
It's important these people remember the left-ist borg they report back too.
Destiny could say water is wet and blue is a based color and if you agree with that the borg will label you an -ist and -phobe and reject you.
what destiny says in the beginning about gender identites is really ignorant. almost no one congratulates someone "for having a gender identity", that's just a dumb conservative talking point - what people ACTUALLY congratulate is the courage to come out as non-cis in a society where non-cis people are still constantly discriminated against. and they also wanna let you know that they are happy for you - just like people congratulate you for getting married, even though it's strictly speaking not an achievement to be proud of (at least not inherently).
I was recruited to join the Navy while I was in high school. Enlisted at 18, went to college and grad school while in the Navy, and then got out and used the GI Bill to go to law school. The opportunities the U.S. military provided me are unbelievable.
It's probably important to remember most people talking negatively about something happen to be politically motivated to do so.
Their ideology would prefer that systems like the military and the police are entirely one way in a bad way.
To investigate and find otherwise wouldn't be valuable to these kinds of people. So they don't investigate, they just state as fact and move on.
As soon as the topic is about something like this: Just remember someone involved probably isn't interested in the truth.
Lance didn't seem as slimy as usual. Well at least until he started talking about Rittenhouse
Guy couldn't follow a single logical line when it came to the n-slur or Rittenhouse. Maybe one day.
idk I think you congratulate people for coming out the same way you congratulate them for getting married, you can apply the same reasoning and say its weird to congratulate weddings, but when people congratulate you like that its not really for an achievement but more like they're happy for you, and people are generally gonna be happy for you when you come out even if it's not a big deal.
Why do Canadians seem to be so nationalistic these days? I see this flag everywhere
@@mypartyisprivate8693 I don't know if they've become more nationalistic recently, but you wouldn't notice the Canadians who aren't/don't have flags in their profile pic. Also I'm not sure if having a leaf as your avatar qualifies as nationalism unless there are other supporting behaviours associated with it.
@@mypartyisprivate8693 its not really nationalism I just got tired of explaining to people I wasn’t American when talking about politics. We lowkey do have one of the better flags tho in my opinion, and seeing people’s stereotypes on Canadians is pretty funny.
@@darrenfleming7901 a fucking leaf 😂
@@mypartyisprivate8693 canadians are super patriotic because they havent been whipped into thinking its bad to love their country. I'm immigrating to Canada and you cant go more than few miles without seeing a canadian flag either on a pole or on a car or near a business. Every friggen foreign business has a canadian flag in their logo. It's kinda funny they criticize americans for being flaghumpers when they fall to the same advertisement tactics lol.
its a great thing too btw, I love seeing people be proud of their country and canada is a fantastic nation.
This was great but holy shit Steve’s valheim movement is amazing g
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@@andrewgrime8389 Besides the life your mother, unfortunately, gave you; do you actually have a life?
I actually came into the video thinking that I was going to completely disagree with Destiny but ended up more or less agreeing with him about military recruitment. I disagreed with him before about the use of the N-word but hearing his argument on it again I've found myself agreeing with him. It seems like a lot of the pushback comes from the taboo concerning it.
I absolutely agree and respect Destiny's policy in ensuring consistency of critical examination of both the left and right. I really, really wish this was more popular on the left.
Yeah, many people are too scared to engage with any controversy. So many people will take an immediate stance because, in reality, they are unwilling to engage in the discussion. It’s nice to recognise when you’re doing this so you can force yourself to face ideas you find uncomfortable.
And the right.
Wait until you hear about the incest topic. Jokes aside, I too changed my mind about the military recruitment, I fully fell for the leftie "military BAD" propaganda, now I'm kinda neutral to it, even positive in some aspects, given all the opportunities they offer, sometimes way better than whatever you could find in private sector. Not perfect, but a decent option for those interested.
This guy literally has no idea what he's talking about with recruitment in schools. The school has to agree to it, AND with a day, a soldier CANNOT just walk into a school and start handing out fliers.
EDIT: ALSO, EVERYTIME i talked to a recruitment they ALWAYS brought up the contract variations.
This man is the finest example of, "terminally online" that I've ever seen.
I feel like it's important to mention that that study tested about 20 cops in one district in Arizona
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@@andrewgrime8389 the study doesn't proof anything, it proofed 20 cops in one district were problematic
That’s just enough for a lefty weasel like Serfs to push his bad faith arguments
1:25:10 “individuals never feel their class...”
Thinking this will be a topic danced around and abstractly argued, for many streams and videos on the left side horizon 🔑
Lefties will never acknowledge that sentence, just like this guy here who constantly circled back and ignored Destiny multiple times.
It seems like a problem with trying to apply theoretical frameworks to living systems. Even with Physics there was a mismatch between the math and the reality leading up to Einstein while Newtons laws were still useful explanitory tools.
It's one thing to develop Marxism and use it as a lense for understanding.
It's another to map it onto the real world individual's experience and actions.
What ??? I feel like he made his point pretty clear, and given the context im pretty sure he isn't even talking about economic class.
The serfs needs to ask destiny if he would be ok with brazzers recruiting on twitch or at a highschool
Is a legic career option.
They don't have to. Maybe you haven't noticed the amount of porn on the internet. You believe that having consensual sex for money is a negative thing. You are equating porn to the military which is a false equivalence. Are you a Fuentes guy?
@@Onthebrink5 Every comparison isn't equating. You're as stupid as The Serfs trying to dismiss every analogy as "not being a 1 to 1 analogy".
If analogies or comparisons had to be the exact same thing as what you're already talking about, there wouldn't be any point in having them since you'd just be repeating yourself instead of using them to explore certain aspects of a topic.
This feels super odd to me cause here in Canada we have military cadets which you can join when you’re 12 and teaches military values and other life skill stuff and participation in cadets can directly benefit you if you are to join the military by fast tracking promotions and pension time by 6 months but also seeing as Canada only takes joint roles or peacekeeping positions overseas it’s not a direct compairison
us has rotc stuff which is similar.
27:21 we are trained to shoot first? So I just made up the “5’s of escalation” training I got in basic? 😂 this guy is a joke.
I was taught a lot more than to kill, and to do multiple things before killing.... at the same time i was taught to dole out safety shots if they kept moving.
Also shooting an unarmed soldier is a ok
@@ravener96 it's definitely not okay to shoot unarmed soldier. You can be prosecuted for war crimes. It can be swept under the rug but that's not 100% guaranteed which makes it a big risk
@@codyg2779 it's ABSOLUTELY ok to shoot an unarmed soldier. as long as they arent actively surrendering to you they are valid shoots. that means that if you come over a tent in the forest, and a guy in enemy uniform and nothing else scrambles out and starts running from you, you are free to put two in his back. spot a guy in the early morning going to the shitter? pepper the outhouse. I could have gone with much more palitable examples, like two soldiers walking down a path, only one is armed, you can shoot both. Instead you should be aware how wide the rules are.
He's absolutely wrong about military contracts (prior recruiter here). The contract they sign prior to going to boot camp can absolutely be walked away from by the prospective member with zero effect of any sort.
Once they ship to boot camp it gets trickier.
he actually fell for the 40% meme lmfao
I'm personally not going to watch any more interactions between Destiny and TheSerfs. Lance is completely incapable of following a thread of logic, it's unbelievable.
He demands charity and never reciprocates.
Someone: *doesnt go along with the fuck authority train*
Leftie in Chat: HoW dOeS tHaT bOoT tAsTe
Equality works both ways. You can’t want equality and then have words only certain people can or can’t say. True equality will never come if you can’t grasp that simple fact.
At 27:29 lance is claiming that soilders and domestic abuse are linked because they are taught to be soldiers but do we see these kinds of rates in fighting sports which are trained much more in terms of physically attacking people? Soldiers and cops arent trained nearly as hard in terms of hand to hand combat his argument is baseless
The biggest thing on military recruitment that I havent heard mentioned yet is that you have to sign a contract that is 3-6 years long where the only way out is through a medical separation or a dishonorable discharge which will fuck your job prospects. Its the only multi year contract thing I can think of that a person right out of high school can sign on for
You can sign up for credit cards, you can sign a legal contract for say a record publication, or a multi-channel network if you're a RUclips creator.. you have to sign to buy a house. Same thing when buying a car
all of those involve contracts that are multi-year that you sign. I understood your point but I just wanted to remind you there's a lot of things18 year olds can sign that screws them down the road.
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I got lucky, I went into a machine shop and started working on a trade. Ended up making more than most military personnel I know at that time
@@Phil.Anthropy Most of those things besides the credit card sign up are things that most kids straight out of high school dont have the opportunity to do. My point more or less isnt that it will fuck you down the line but that youre kinda stuck there for years whereas most other careers you can start at that age are ones where youre able to drop out of
@@mindlander Military has a lot of benefits no doubt. The contract for me though is what makes it more predatory than the other things they were talking about and from what I watched so far they never mentioned it. Also given that most recruiters are just absolute fucking liars its more gross considering you cant leave once you realize all they said was bullshit.
My question to you would be, what is the alternative to a contract?
Why would that organization he sites help people with leaving the military, if you can't leave?
A Californian and a Canadian disagreeing is a real unicorn.
Serfs would never share a meme if it's funny but could be interpreted as a "nazi meme". Normies would. Normies would even do the OK symbol unironically meaning OK.
I wish they knew more about the experience of actually working in the military. You can experience some really horrific stuff even if your aren't in an active combat roll.
Ya you can but the amount that does experience that is extremely small roughly 2%
~49:00 The military did set up shop at my high school (grad. 2019) about 3 times a year. The way they market themselves though was very similar to how representatives from nearby colleges did, whom set up presentations for us at a similar rate.
So essentially, the military was presented like any other college: as a career path aside from or in tandem with college options primarily. They do also make you consider the side options too like engineers that roped even more people in.
It’s not like a Microsoft job opportunity as it was framed at all.
Awesome to see the “nobody should say it” argument in action
Something I like to note that never seems to get mentioned is almost every Military active combat person I seen come back minus relatively few have come back with Prescriptions of Oxycodone to deal with various ailments and in many cases this lead to Heroin and other hard drug use. This can play a large role in Suicide, obviously drug use, Homelessness and overall lack of wellbeing.
As a non-English speaker and someone that never stepped America, I have problems actually understand the problem with all the "add any letter"-word. n, f, b ,c, r, etc. I learned English with help from a school and media. Most schools recommend consuming media to learn a language. And for the case of the n-word, I felt that is some word that some low-income people to say "bro" or refer to other people with neutral intent (you can detect when they say it with negative intent).
There's a lot of historical context tied to the word in America and you probably don't get a lot of that from most English language media.
'low income people;' you're not wrong lol
It’s definitely not only low income black people.
31:12 i got taught this in sociology in college, that type of suicide is called anomic suicide, i happens in all veterans, not just combatient veterans, ist basically when u lived a life full of rules and norms and sudenly u lack all of that. Durkheim actually talks about this in his book "Suicide: A Study in Sociology" ( sry if my english is kinda janky im from argentina :/ )
I don't get why the topic is being described only as training vs selection bias. I was a sexual assault victim advocate in the Navy. What I saw was selection bias to some degree, and also proximity in living conditions and something comparable to college drinking culture, but also with more stress involved, and a lower economic barrier to entry, which plays a role. The modern military has a problem with sexual assault. It knows that it does, and all of the training we get actually admits this and is trying to combat it. So I don't get this "military is training people to be sexually violent." It sounds like Lance thinks we have A school classes on how to use rape as a tool of war or something. In comparison, after leaving the military, I haven't gotten a single class in corporate America on bystander intervention, consent, or the procedures and channels to go through to report a sexual assault. All of these were constantly gone over during my enlisted life. And still the problem persists.
Personally with the whole military thing. You can so easily drop out way before you ever become fully enlisted. It's literally like a year + of preparation before you even have an actively assigned base. For a lot of people. Going into that is just a good way to get them off their feet. They'll eat better, get a living wage, have better job opportunities, and become much healthier just in general. Not to mention it becomes essentially a support group.
I get a lot some people have a super bizarre moral position about militaries in general but this can be literally just viewed as a social program like they want. And if a lot of people do it anyway. You can just roll what the military is already doing in an actual social program. There is a reason why a lot of smaller countries have mandatory military service. It's insanely healthy for the country as a whole
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This guys just never miss
I invite all of breadtube (Vaush, Theserf) to go to Cuba, spend a week or a month in San miguel del Padron, pick up your supply letter and you will see Socialism. bring money because you wont be able to buy at the store you will have no water, light, transport or clothes and more importantly you wont even have fun because there are no Movie theaters left.
@@hochmeisterr The worst thing is that it does not stop, it continues to enter countries where the majority of their population see the example of Cuba and Venezuela as the wonder of the century, the fact that people believe everything Breadtube says, and not the truth of what really have. happened. Allowing Castroism in Cuba has been the worst mistake of the United States and in 50 years they will regret it!
Any chance we'll see some of these debates show up on spotify or something?
I really dislike his argument because he relies so heavily on the age of consent to make his argument. The idea that before they're 18 they're kids who can't be trusted to make their own decisions but the moment they turn 18 it's suddenly fine is such a weird argument from a moral point of view
It's also non-scientific
Sure, but this has to be applied to everything from consent to voting. It's ALL, on some level arbitrary. It's as much about a cultural signifier --- 18 means adult. And we will treat you as such, whether you're ready or not.
Back in 2014, my freshman year, I remember a branch of the military (don't remember which one, it's been a while lol) was in the cafeteria with a pull up bar talking to whoever wanted talk and give advice. The "recruiters" told us how they were raised in similar ghettos and how the military turned their lives around.
So let me get this straight. The military recruiters found a homeless girl, started working out with her, got her into the military, provided her food and a place to sleep, and I'm supposed to find this to be problematic? huh?
These people don't operate in the real world with nuances and shades of grey.
They are told what to think. When their hivemind passes down the idea "military bad" That part is adopted and accepted wholesale. There's no further nuance.
43:00 the chat got sooo mad lmao
Having come from a military family, it's very silly the kinds of ideas at leftist tap about the way that the military is. Most of the MOS assignments that you will get are not going to have you doing endless marksman training. I think the last time my sister even touched a gun within her position as a band member was in January as part of the security detail for the capital riots, because they ran out of people and ended up having to activate bandmembers. Other than that time she has never touched a gun outside of BCT.
The real military recruitment is Hollywood movies. But that guy you were talking has zero knowledge of how the military works.
Overall an interesting debate.
Destiny is the Joe Rogan of his niche. Used to be more than reasonable and his popularity soars...then once he's paid in full he begins to sound like a right-leaning derpterd at.all.cost. Tbh I'm a big fan of both of these guys, but Destiny is cringe as hell sometimes and this is one of those times.
edit: The opening 'zinger" is the perfect example. Destiny goes full apologist for verbally abusive cops by equivocating an angry cops abusive words with those of his ultra-timid and angelically-natured fiancé. Like seriously dude? Can you even see the forest for the trees anymore?
Ultra-timid and angelically-natured? You know Destiny got literally physically abused right?
And he's not saying they are THE same, just that they are both classed under the survey as "abuse", meaning that someone losing their temper one time and shouting is being equivocated to years of violent physical abuse. That's the issue with the survey. Because when most people hear "domestic abuse", they don't think of losing your temper once as counting for that kind of thing. Which is why the 40% is super misleading, since the national average doesn't include that.
Doesn't the fact that he lied to him imply they didn't have a close relationship?
That was my first thought when he was mentioning it. If he didn't even know his age I don't know if they've had a close enough relationship to know all of each others political beliefs.
I love how standard the jumping around randomly in-game when talking thing is.
Serfs - Disagrees with that
Serfs - "Absolutely I'm not disagreeing with that"
Serfs - Disagrees with that
Destiny does talk to his opponents chat all the time lol
i LOVE it
@@pengwin_ I mean...it can be a bit distracting hahah.
Never been this early on anything
I highly doubt the military is making people more aggressive because of the training. I think it fosters a unique kind of dependency where it’s somehow more difficult to leave, find work and life outside of it.
Veteran here, I got out after 1 term for many reasons, but a big one was all the people I saw who were straight up institutionalized by the military to the point that they barely know how to function outside of it.
It doesn't matter whether military personal has a higher rate of homelessness and so on. This argument only works if we want to abolish the military completely.
If we don't want to get rid of the military, the best, we can do, is, inform the candidates about the dangers and leave the choice to them.
Weren't we supposed to be on the redemption arc? Are we pulling a Sasuke after learning the truth about itachi?
This is the redemption
1:21:20
Destiny: “the earth is round like a ping pong ball”
Serfs: “the two aren’t comparable, I mean earth is a planet and a ping pong ball is a little thing. They aren’t the same at all”
I wish Destiny would bring in a member/former member of the military for a discussion like this.
Oh is this the guy who got conned by his friend Mike into believing they were doxxed by Destiny, even tho Mike had all the information publicly on his Twitter.
Did he ever realise how stupid that was to think it was doxxing...
Destiny never had jrotc at his school? I guess they aren't exactly recruiting at private schools lol
I was in a JROTC, there is no obligation after school to join the military afterwards, it is just highly encouraged.
Everyone at my jrotc joined it just to skip PE class
Any government job can recruit in a school if scheduled in advance. Nursing. Policing. Military. I'm Canadian and we had US miliraty recruiters because our school had about 40% native students who could legally apply,
Youre non binary???
Congratulations
Jeez..... serfs a dork
I hate that serfs doesn't entertain any of destiny's hypotheticals, he just responds with "well i don't know, i would need to see something backing that up"
Are you so bad to the point that saying he Dosen't know and would rather see evidence is a point a thing to dislike. What the fuck happened to this community?
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you should bring up a possible point of contention like it could be that ... or maybe if that and then this ... then you would say i dont have the data to know this. Hypotheticals are there to test what he is saying and you can add stuff to the hypotheticals like if we don't include this ...or taking that to account
That is lefty dishonesty 101. Serfs spineless af
@@brendonstephen1246 it is fair to call that out when TheWeaselTV makes all of these crazy assumptions based on feelings or outdated non-representative data then turns arounds and asks for bulletproof scientific evidence. It is hypocritical as fuck.
Its kinda weird for someone to use a study from thirty years ago as a representative of a group of people today. In my psychology classes we can only use relevant (within the past ten years) studies.
There is a huge replication issue in psychology. Studies aren't replicated as often as they should. You should absolutely always use the most recent study though, so if there is a newer one than that will likely be more accurate in its findings.
good vid