Was Kyle Defending His Community? - Debate with Bobby Feeno (Arian Foster)
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Bruh, his argument is basically "people who I agree with can do whatever they want and people who I disagree with are always wrong."
Definition of a hackjob. So disappointing.
You need more likes lol
what a stupid take.
@@FruityHuevos then whats the right take to have i want to be like everyone else
I watched this whole debate trying to ride this meme wave of him having this take and I couldn't find it. The destiny comment section always gets a laugh out of me but damn you guys are really uncharitable sometimes.
“His town being burnt down won’t alter his life in any way” -Arian Foster
For 30 years I’ve been hearing, and believing, that “food deserts” in low-income, often minority communities are a critical part of the cycle of violence and poverty in that they contribute to malnutrition, hence developmental delays, hence criminal activity, and on and on.
I hold out hope for something better, and more humane to replace consumer capitalism, but it is impossible to believe that Leftists are speaking in good faith when they suggest that a good way to begin the process is for poor people to have their communities burned down and local businesses driven off.
It’s not his town and not THAT much gets burned. Wth lol
TennesseeSooner It’s the town where he worked, and several million dollars worth of inventory were burned the first night.
imagine not having insurance
Zanman Insurance rarely makes people completely whole after their business has been burnt down, and doesn’t really matter when people stop visiting and shopping in your town because a bunch of scumbag terrorists destroyed it. Visit Detroit or Newark and lecture people about how easy it is for a municipality to recover from race riots because of “muh insurance”
This is classic. Kyle shows up to a riot, where the rioters have guns, and he's the provocative one. Like, whoa pal, we're peacefully burning shit down here, why you gotta get all self defensy on us?
i like how he got a little bit offended when destiny said that conservative types of people have a more sense of community, when just a couple of minutes ago he said "fuck property". I dont think he realizes that burning down a car dealership or a liquor stores in your area devastates your community and makes whatever mission you are trying to achieve look bad.
Arian trying his best to make the kid seem like he has no legitimate reason to be there, but the people burning down small businesses and looting have a good reason to do so is so pathetic.
bUt ThOsE bUsInEsSeS HaVe InSuRaNcE u GuUuUysSs🤡
@Ivan paul I present to you the internet gold medal for projection of theory onto people you don't actually know and a silver medal for mental gymnastics. Pat yourself on the back buddy. You deserve it.
@@ThatoneGuy-by1ox Little do these degenerates know that you'll be neigh impossible to find an insurance company that actually will cover damages that resulted from a riot. It's just revealing more and more that these Leftists are lifelong degenerates who have never accomplished anything for themselves and never lifted a finger nor know what it's actually like to own a business and how property insurance ACTUALLY works. Every comment they make saying "well they have insurance so it's fine" makes me laugh because of that. Also they don't even realize they're excusing destruction of other people's property and saying it's fine because they "have insurance." By that same logic someone could be murdered and you could say "it's fine, they have life insurance so their family will be okay!!!"
Absolute morons, psychopaths and lifelong degenerates with no futures.
@Ivan paul I found the guy that has no idea how businesses work. Let me guess: You also believe in the idea that the workers provide the lions share of the value to a business, and the capitalists behind it bring little to nothing.
@Ivan paul I literally don't think you could handle one day as a CEO.
This guy really fought hard not to say its because hes white.
You could feel the struggle.
@Quinton Rogers how is he racist
Quinton Rogers I wouldn’t say racist as he doesn’t say any race is superior or inferior in any way - but there is some sense of prejudice against the kid for being white.
@@TheLinkhero99 being prejudiced against someone due to the colour of their skin is pretty racist.
@attackmaster555 I think you got those mixed up. Leftist definitions of racism implies that it has to be systemic, while the original definition says it can be any type of prejudice
The mental gymnastics by Arian are astronomical.
@Da'Rellus Jarvis Marquavius nah he is just avoiding the truth to push his agenda and mask the intent. All of the similar profiles do the same thing.
@Da'Rellus Jarvis Marquavius well that is also an option. But he is kind of weird to analyse.
I was gonna say the same thing about Destiny. Hes assuming a lot about the shooter, and his motivations.
None of which can be known, and given the legal trouble the shooter could get in attempting to ad hawk his own moral stance, he will probably never be believes by either side or anyone, one way or the other.
I cant wait for Destiny to tell me his assumptions about mindwaves next tweet, lol.
@cassl14 apparently a month prior or so during some altercation with his sister
@@NoInfoAvail the difference is Destiny's case has evidence upon evidence for what he's saying and Aryan is just ignoring the evidence in favor of his preferred feeling, and providing no evidence to the contrary that supports his argument.
So you can protest but not counter protest? Idk if I can make it through this. Amazin.
it's a debate of who is the more "sovereign citizen" lol hahaha of course you can go anywhere you want.
... BEYTTUHH!
Says 17-year-olds do not feel a sense of community he must not know that thousands of 17-year-olds sign up for the military every year.
He says the rooftop Koreans defending their businesses are OK and downtrodden communities defending themselves are OK but defending this rural community is not OK.
Your assumption is that 17 year olds sign up for the military for the military out of a sense of community. There are myriad reasons why they do, and that "sense of community" is rarely the reason. Don't romanticize peoples reasons for joining the military as they are often selfish (they have no where else to go, and no other employment will provide those benefits.) Source: me and my 20-ish years in the military.
You are also glossing over the fact that Kyle traveled away from his community, in another state armed for bear. Not his community dude. Those Korean store owners? Defending their shop from it's rooftop. Downtrodden community? Don't know what your talking about there. Kenosha is hardly rural and it was not Rittenhouse's community.
@@hisjoeness Nope, he grew up in the area, works IN Kinosha as a life guard and knew the business owners of the property he was defending. Keep spewing democrat talking points though. You're a good little sheep.
Also your experience is not everyone's experience either. It's hilarious to see you say to this guy that the majority of people don't join the military for community or out of love for their country and your source is "from my own experiences." The fact that you can't see how biased you are by your own experiences is astounding.
@@hisjoeness It was his community. You should have at least learned that. A 15 minute drive nor did he bring the gun. And you can eff off with your military "expertise". A lot of us served you do not speak for all of us. Some joining were boy scouts and some were assholes then all in-between. All through history, there are examples of 15 and 16-year-olds falsifying their age wanting to serve especially during WW2. There are kids that would do it now if they could.
When he made the point about "how far out does his community extend. Where do we draw the line" I lost all hope of him having an argument IN good faith. He literally picked up the goal posts and asked where the line was so he could move them past it. It was SHOCKING that his mind went in that direction to counter the community angle and then brings in George Zimmerman (who was chasing someone down with a gun) and compares that situation with Kyle's (who is being chased). The hoops he jumps through to try and make an argument are mind numbing.
@@kyle8971 How far does ones community extend? Me personally I dont care or even like my community. Most of them would rob me blind if they could.
Lets assume Kyls really loved his community. Your community only goes so far. It eventually ends and another community begins. Or theirs gaps in between them or whatever.
I dont see how any of that is hard to follow. Like my community, does end physically on certain streets. It stops at a particular intersection going another way, and stops at a store on the third and final main way out.
Nobody who lives in this community would say my community really extends beyond that, because it doesnt.
15 minutes of driving, I can drive through 4 or 5 communities.
Like the time it tales to travel has been shortened by technology, people take a couple hours flight to travel around the wodld to other places.
He drove, however many miles he drove, to defend... someone else community.
Imo kyle was there looking for trouble, hes just coming at it from a different angle than the rioters.
Calling him a provocateur is 100% equivalent to "what was she wearing"
maybe she was asking for it
So the whole issue is that this guy doesn't understand what "community" is.
He understands what community is, he just has something against certain types of people experiencing the concept.
Felt like Arian started alright and then got lost in the sauce. I don't know how he couldn't grasp the concept of rural people, especially mid-west conservative people feeling protective of their communities to a degree they would bring a gun to defend property being burned downed.
HoldenCoughfield just hear me out. From listening to Arian for years, I believe he’s been doing drugs. Idc I do drugs too but I think that he’s been taking Something that over time has effected his sleep and focus, iv had it happen to me. You don’t notice because it’s gradual. But from his perspective and personality from 2 years ago to now, iv noticed. It’s not like he’s necessarily on drugs when talking publicly, but the after effects. What happenes is your brain is less likely to think deeply about information because that takes a lot of energy and it’s much easier to pick the easy answer and rely on base intellect. I think it’s possible he hasn’t even noticed this because it’s so gradual. He’s not abusing drugs because that becomes obvious. But low grade use of coke, adderall, kratom, alcohol (used daily), mdma, mda, Xanax, ect. they really don’t fuck with you if you don’t abuse them (as in you can function perfectly fine in day to day activity), but when it comes to specific complicated ideas your tired brain uses the go to emotion and rifts through pure intuition to preform. I could be off on this but I really think this could be it. Mostly because iv seen it first hand in other people and even myself.
Can you call it your community when it is a state or more away from you?
@@cmike123 it was 20 minutes away and yes it can still be your family's community or a community you grew up in
@@cmike123 What is this pea brain take that if you dont live in a space it isnt your community? I live in a different state now from the state i grew up in. But that place is still a community im invested in and care for and where my parents still live. What is this 3head take that the only community you have is the place you live?
@@cmike123 I would say that's irrelevant when it's only 15 to 25 mins away. Like Destiny said in a lot of mid west rural areas that is nothing. People are so spread apart that your next door neighbor could be a mile away. And a lot of these people know one another, work at the same places, same church etc.
I love the part where Arian felt bad about using an analogy suggesting that Destiny's wife was sleeping with someone else.
Destiny stumped Arian with the Rooftop Koreans example...
He tried so so hard to not say it's because he's white lmao the whole white people have no culture meme has gotten outta hand its literally impossible for a small community with ancestral roots to not form a community regardless of race.
@@jim7601 For a guy that openly professes to no longer believe in God, intersectionality (with BLM being the dominant denomination at the moment) is weird religion for Arian to ultimately embrace...
The Koreans setup a perimeter, stuck together, and stayed on the property. Everyone knew their purpose and intent. Kyle ran around the crowds by himself, waving his rifle in a low ready position. People around him did not know his intent or purpose. Kyle put himself in a place way beyond his skill and intelligence level.
@Joey Duggar I guess the point was missed on Korean's vs Kyle. Shooting part is easy. The skill and intelligence would have kept him out of the horrible tactical, and an even worse legal position he got himself into. If he had even listened to the officers ordering him several times to stay on the first property that he was at he would have avoid this. Now he is facing life in prison.
@@robb1165 your dumb af there are vids him calling out to the crowd saying he's a medic
So basically, according to Arian Foster, as long as your idealogy supports his any actions you take are justified? Nice.
That's also Destiny's position. He believes that if you have certain positions someone can justify using violence against you. Such as being someone who votes republican; his example, not mine.
It’s the authoritarian mindset
@@fietspompje259 Context matters. A lot. In Kyle's case, he deliberately put himself in a situation where it's completely unavoidable as a civilian to murder someone. He was a minor who crossed state lines to allegedly protect a gas station he did not own. He had a firearm that he did not legally owned. He wasn't defending the property of the gas station when he murdered the first victim. And the crowd would reasonably not rushed him had he not shot someone in the first place.
And Destiny's infuriatingly myopic view that Kyle was justified in self-defense leads to the unfortunate legal implications that a home invader is allowed to murder the owner of a home they trespassed because "they fear for their lives".
NoReDuX ?? How does carrying a gun alone make murder “unavoidable“? That’s nonsense. And by your logic, the same can be said for the rioters/protesters, they deliberately put themselves in that position. I concede he shouldn’t have had the gun, but did he really cross state lines? Pretty sure that was his community he was protecting.
And self defense is different than murdering someone while robbing them on their property.
“In order to use self-defense as a shield against a charge for a violent crime in most jurisdictions, you must:
Not be the aggressor;
Only use enough force to combat the threat and no more (i.e. you can't bring a gun to a fist fight);
Have a reasonable belief that force is necessary;
Have a reasonable belief that an attack is imminent; and
Retreat (if possible).”
Pretty much the divide is the aggressor.
He lives 20 minutes drive away across the state border, and works in Kenosha. It is his community. His job is there. The "crossed state lines" argument is BS.
The incident started because he used a fire extinguisher to put out a fire in a dumpster that the first guy that got shot was pushing towards the gas station. There's video of it. He was absolutely defending the gas station.
I know Destiny tries to avoid ad hominens so he would never say this, but to me its so obvious that the reason why Vaush and this Arian guy are railing against the kid is cause he's right-wing. Just remove that single detail from this entire story, and I guarantee you their positions shift. Imagine instead that a black BLM protester was charged by a right-wing attacker, and the protester retreated, and then shot the attacker in self-defense. Do you think they'd still be saying all of this? Would Adrian be calling him a "provocateur"? Would Vaush be calling him a "murderer"? Not in a million years.
Destiny is principled enough that he doesn't just flip-flop on his principles depending on whether or not it helps his "side".
Also destiny sees how bad this argument is for the optics for democrats. Since dems can’t admit wrong even in the most obvious situations, where the RUclips video is free access for any independent/centrist voter, it’s best to own up to the senario, but idiot who can’t play the game right can’t budge on their stupid takes and emotions
It is really obvious what left is doing and where they want it to go. They want to push the narrative that doing certain things they dislike should make you a "provocateur", stripping you off your self-defense rights. Some are already hold a view that wearing a MAGA hat is already an act of aggression that justifies any response including violence.
C F and the right has been so upfront when they’re wrong? What planet are you on?
@@mrwhite6154 Right, which is why you'll notice that Arian doesn't really address the ethics of the shooting itself throughout the video, because he knows he'll lose that argument to Destiny. Instead he just spent 60 minutes obfuscating and smearing Kyle's character with baseless assumptions.
Vaush basically admitted this in his and Destiny’s debate.
When people show up armed to defend property against riots, it's provocation and will lead to more violence. But when protestors bring them, all those worries go away. Okay dude.
The blatant bias was really cringy.
kyle didnt have any property to protect there.
it's obvious that he went there to see if he could provoke someone and get to use that ar-15......and he did......sadly he will be able to murder with impunity because of his melanin levels and political loyalty.
sabin97 what he said, you’re very uniformed
@@sabin97 ah yes of course, "he didn't have a property there so he shouldn't be there" arguement
If you think he was there to solely provoke you're sorely mistaken, he has extinguished a bin fire heading straight to the petrol station (which is dangerous) surely that counts as provoking the rioters right?
@@sabin97 It's obvious? Did you watch any of the videos with him in before the incident? It's obvious you can't see much with your head shoved that far up your own ass. Also, nah those protesters with weapons and all just wanted to show everyone their guns and stuff too right?
It's like Arian forgets the content of every sentence that isn't the last one he heard.
85 IQ
lol
Must be all of those hits to the head. The guy shouldn't even have videos talking about this sort of thing.
@@eneos3795 no because he's a
@@meanmr.mustard3096 because he's a what ( ͠° ͟ʖ ͡°)
Arian Foster made me a lot of fantasy football money in 2010, i'll give him a pass for his terrible arguments
Arian Foster wants a double standard, c'mon man.
That’s exactly what it is
How is this not painfully obvious to everyone? He's a black supremacist. He sounds like a Nazi and would be called one if he was arguing opposite and he was white.
@@BillClay88 He is letting his melanin cloud his rational mind.
@Russell Scott
No. He sounds like a communist to me. Big difference!
How old are you scroats? The world is full of double standards - the argument is how to change that. Radical change against injustice isn't Nazism, its a different method of wanting to achieve the same goal of equality.
Some think just by waiting we can get the same result - in a hundred years or so....
If the races and ideologies were switched here, Adrian would be defending Kyle 100%. Completely intellectually dishonest.
Im sad my brotha(Arian) has no proper foundations for his opinions and beliefs. Cmon big bro. Youre in your mid 30s and sound like a 17yr old taught how to think via youtube. I especially need my people to stop towing the line of popular opinions within the left, and or our community. We need to start pushing ourselves more in these type of discussions. Otherwise we'll get another diddy summit panel with T.I., Killer Mike, Candace Owens, Steven Pargett Of Trap The Vote, Katrina Pierson, & Tamika D Mallory . All of which are completely unqualified for the complex, nuanced, hard conversations that need to happen in the black community. Killer Mike is the closest. Katrina and candace are literal grifting, bobble-head, caricatures of a black right wing american. Shits like something you would write in a comedy skit.
Check out Bret Weinsteins black intellectual round table. A diversity of opinions from a lot of really considerate black intellectuals.
11 minutes in and it's clear this guy has different standards for those he agrees with (BML) and those he disagrees with (Kyle)
I too am 11 minutes in and didn't destiny just move the goal post and talk about another case entirely and then just straw man as if Kyle has as much power as the police? I have add. @_@
Oscar Rivera big time!
War Tome do you think Kyle or the police officers killing black men were liberals or marxists?
@@BadBigBody Found the revolutionary. Omg you're sooooo edgy bro
@@BadBigBody What?
Arian whole argument was based on his infallible ability to mind read.
Except for when Destiny tried to posit that the kid has a certain mindset that broke his narrative. Then he said "well you can't know what he was thinking".
The funny thing is that there is far more evidence to suggest that the kid did have a mindset of protecting the community. Namely, the fact that before the rioting happened later that evening he was at the local high school volunteering his time to clean graffiti. Also, another piece of evidence was that he was there to administer medical aid to both bystanders and protesters. There is far more evidence to suggest he had a strong community mindset than not. In fact I’m struggling to see ANY evidence to the contrary that would balance the scales in the other direction and allow you to have the notion that he wasn’t invested in his community. Unless of course you’re just biased and don’t want to admit it...
@@NEPAAlchey Think that was more of a counter by saying "Or he could've thought this. We don't know"
@@TFCSHQ either we forfeit the idea we can know his mindset, or we guess based on his actions. Why was his administering first aid to protestors if he was just there to kill people. Why did he try to turn himself in instead of continuing to escalate? These aren't the actions of a man trying to start fights.
@@NEPAAlchey Think I misunderstood. Thought you were saying Destiny said the kid could've have thought something and because he was saying the kid "could've" it broke DESTINY'S narrative that you can't know what people are thinking in the moment.
Arian Foster: If they're black, they can do whatever they want.
Black Panthers can show up with guns to protest, but Kyle Rittenhouse can't.
Yes
Actually he said Kyle was being a provocator. Which he was.
@@dragonboy141 youre right dude. He provoked the crowd by putting out the fire they sent in a dumpster bin. They were pushing a dumpster fire towards a gas station, and the group Kyle was with put out the fire sparking the initial chase.
It would look better on you if you did your research
Are you shocked? Universalist ethics was a European invention. Before they got to his people in the 17th century they didn't have a f#$king wheel.
Arian foster is a complete waste of time to listen to.
not even 3 minutes into the video and this guy calls Kyle a "provacateur" which is rich comparing that to millions upon millions of dollars of damage being done. Kyle is no more of a provocateur than the fire department is....
@@campsitez2355 Hell yeah, based
"All of the people on my side of the ideological aisle are perfectly justified in all acts of violence committed, and I will assume their intentions when engaging in violence match mine."
Same person: "All people on the other side have only the worst of intentions and are thus never justified in any form of violence."
-Sincerely, demagogue incarnate
You're getting a LOT of mileage out of the word violence there buddy.
@@anthonynonapplicable6045 Explain to me how burning down buildings and attacking political opponents physically is not violent and I'll edit my original comment with a more euphemistic word...
@@michahsimmons7568 That was not the point of my comment lol. My point was you were using "violence" to mean several different acts spanning degrees of difference, all to bring homicide and property damage closer together.
What you did would be like me saying we both assaulted someone, while I punched someone and you raped someone. They are indeed both kinds of assault but there's a lot of space between the two, and one is far more justifiable than the other.
Stay inside your trashcan though.
@@anthonynonapplicable6045 They're both violence, though? You're the one applying ideological necessities to an otherwise appropriate use of the term and forcing equivocation as a result. Enjoy defending double standards resulting from demagoguery, I hear it's all the rage today.
I find it funny that you can't even notice the presuppositions within your own analogy, especially when they so evidently indicate the same form of thinking which results in the double standards I was pointing out. Punching someone without context is amoral, whereas rape, regardless of context, is immoral (funny that you would bring this term up when this term itself has attempted to be expanded to mean virtually any assault). The use of this analogy in context of what I've stated is obviously loaded for the purposes of making a hypocritical point while not appearing hypocritical.
A more appropriate analogy would be punching someone versus shooting someone. Without context, either could be entirely morally justifiable VIOLENCE, which was the point of the conversation here. One person was unable to take their demagogue super-person glasses (identity politics/tribalism) off, however, and as such established the same false double standard you've just supplied.
Arian Foster is a complete pseudo intellectual. It baffles me people even give him the time of day. He’s a cool and chill dude, just not smart.
Yeah I'm listening to him miss point after point and I'm wondering if he's really this stupid or just being a weasel.
Should listen to like hood conservative and people.. they had really good discussions, with facts as well and not letting emotion rule them.
I don't think he's stupid, he's just emotionally invested in teams.
@@spaniardsrk5108 he's stupid AND emotionally invested. At least an intelligent person can piece together a sequence of events to reach a logical conclusion. Dumb people forget the beginning of your argument before you reach the end, and never have that "clap of thunder" moment when they finally comprehend the truth.
I think he's a football player, so to be fair I wouldn't call him a pseudo intellectual. He's just some guy (intellectually speaking).
This whole situation really reveals people’s biases .
@Nez Mustard
Exactly. I’ve never seen such a clear cut case of self-defense be questioned like this. It’s total insanity.
@Da'Rellus Jarvis Marquavius
Oh don’t I know it. I live in Southern California. I am also white. I have experienced a shitload of anti-white discrimination, as has my mother. It has gotten very bad here, since we were the first state for whites to become a minority in.
Yep, some people are biased towards shooting unarmed people when they get scared. Other people are biased against unnecessary escalation of force towards a one way fatal road.
Some people are biased against protestors opposing a oppressive government force that murders its citizens. Others are biased against being treated as second class citizens in their own country to the point of being afraid to call the security infrastructure supposedly there to protect them.
@@cloudofthought I am biased against the idea that you don't have the right to shoot someone who screams at you and chases you until they corner you and get into your melee range and try to grab your rifle, even though you are trying to de-escalate by running away. Kyle had every right to believe his life was in danger at that moment, Joseph chased the smoke and he got it. If it wasn't for Joseph's death wish, Anthony would still be alive and Gaige would still have his bicep.
Maybe you just have swiss cheese brains and can't interpret video evidence?
@@cloudofthought Maybe you misunderstood what he meant by "bias". A lot of people criticising Rittenhouse are giving the impression that his personal politics are the only reason they're against him. The fact that he's Right-Wing, or that he killed people who were Left-Wing, should have *zero* bearing in a discussion about self-defence, and that's the bias. This Arian guy is a great example. You may have noticed that Arian never really gets into the ethics of the shootings. He just assassinates Rittenhouse's character for 60 minutes making assumptions that he even admits are baseless and unknowable.
Surely you would concede that there are political hacks who are currently criticising Rittenhouse, but would be defending staunchly were he a Left-Winger. It's possible that you are not the kind of person we're talking about. Maybe you would still be calling this an act of murder if the politics of the individuals were reversed, but when people like Arian use irrelevant arguments like "he tweeted Blue Lives Matter" and "he crossed state lines", they're showing themselves to be hacks. They can't win on the points, so they try and obfuscate and smear. Like Destiny said, its exactly the same as when people bring up the criminal past of unarmed black men who are killed. It has nothing to do with the incident itself.
The ol "context for me but not for thee" argument. Classic.
true, you hit the nail on the head.
justifiable to defend property ........ LOL. even he laughs at his point.
This is low hanging fruit destiny. This guy is so entrenched in his beliefs that he can't understand rational thought. He literally says i want my mind to be changed and then just says "nah" or "are you kidding" to anything you have to say. you literally aren't going to change someones mind who is not willing to listen
yeah this guy sounds way too dense
Sounds like destiny v destiny.
5:40 "You're not inside of his head" 6:30 "I dont think he's pro black lives matter, I dont see that"
@33:45 Destiny absolutely _wins_ the debate at this very moment by drawing a parallel with the Korean community during the LA riots. Arian's response is revealing. He basically says, "Due to my biases, I don't think this kid cared about the community like the Koreans did. I have no reasons to think that. I just like the narrative that this kid is a provocateur without having any substantive evidence." Debate over.
@@totezmcgotez44 Destiny argued against exactly what you're saying in the video. Did you watch the video?
@@matthewbarr6685I just want to appreciate the Beauty of questioning if someone watched a video when they time stamped and referenced a point from 30 min into the video
"I'm protecting my community" is now a bad thing according to Adrian Foster. It's BS and he knows it. This is the sort of bad faith arguments we're hearing all the time--it's sophistry and intended to twist the truth with the aim of winning/obscuring the point.
It's only righteous to protect your community if your community believes in what Adrian believes.
How do these people think "defending other people is evil you should only defend yourself and maybe your family" is a sensible position. It's like some Ayn Rand selfishness
Both Destiny and Bobby personally agreed near the beginning that trying to combat violence with open-carry gun protection isnt a great idea, but nonetheless you still have the right.
I'm not finished with the debate yet, but Bobby has so far stated that while its possible, he doesnt see Kyle as one of the cases where he would protect his community in such a life-risking fashion. @~33:30
Im not getting this sense that Bobby believes "it's bad to protect your community" in the way you and others are framing it. (maybe by the end it'll go off the rails though)
@@WorthlessWinner honestly though ayn rand just believed in acting authentically with purpose and clear thinking. She was not opposed to helping people but believed it should be on the basis of their individual merit and value to the person giving the aid, and she was certainly opposed to giving to others on the basis of altruism, in her view, degrading oneself for the benefit of others, and was especially opposed to taking from others by force or intimidation to give to others
@@azxctbygalumbo9516 - I guess I should've said Max Steiner style :P
They both think jacob Blake died? He’s alive I think he just can’t walk.
Don't worry, Musk will have him walking soon with his brain implants. I'm sure after Jacob sues the state he will be able to afford it.
The upside being he'll find it harder to sexually abuse people. Plus he's getting all the pennies from bleeding hearts.
@@funkyanimaltheearloffunkdo1871 nah homie they will equip him with a robocock and he will be assaulting at maximum efficiency
@@Pleasekillmysonsdad Not if they take his wheels away.
Nah he was in hospital paralysed but he died later on. So he is dead
Those people didnt die because Kyle was defending property. They died because he was defending his life.
I don’t know why Destiny doesn’t make this clear. Kyle didn’t shoot someone across the street smashing a car window. He shot people point blank who were chasing and threatening to harm him.
A women shouldn't walk alone in a parking garage because she may get raped. That doesn't mean that she is provoking the rape.
@ortomy no. the difference is once again. he didn't go to some peaceful protest to start raising hell. he went to a place that already had riots to help defend. he was matching escalation. not raising it.
@ortomy would you state the out of state protesters that are there provoking police?
@ortomy Idiot thinks a mob can tell you that you "dont belong" in some area. HAHAHA
@ortomy He lived 20 minutes away and worked in the area. What about the two other people who attacked him and were shot, they lived farther away then he did. At least his intention was to help medically and defend people's businesses and lively hoods. Not firebomb and terrorize the city.
@ortomy you are assuming so much. again, in the end. he was acting in self defense. I know that people with you political leaning will literally do anything at this point to try to make it seem like he was in the wrong but, he had a legitimate reason to be there. he was attacked. he killed his attacker. end of story. but go ahead and try to explain how him being there makes it ok for him to get attacked and that he needed to just take that and risk being killed because it makes you feel better and makes your side look better if that were the truth.
TLDR;
Destiny: words
Arian: Clears throat
Destiny is way more patient than he will ever realize.
Im from Oklahoma and this man definitely does not understand the level of community more conservative areas have.
@@wartome3196 how so? just curious
I'm from anecdote land and this man defenietly don't understand my anecdote - Larry Boy
I mean, yeah. Hatred towards other groups does create a cohesive effect.
because nothing quite defines 'community' more than allowing conservative politicians to have people go bankrupt for healthcare and prioritize profits over people in just about every other area of society.
@@vincentvandyke2772 humans are meant to live in small communities. you actually know and care about others that way. right now, everyone lives in a metropolis but is alien to his neighbours
Saying simply having a gun is provocative and doesn't justify defending himself against attackers is like saying a girl wearing sexy clothes is provocative and doesn't have the right to defend herself against rapists. Same concept
argument made by the same people who say you shouldn't call your cop on your rapist, yes, I know.
Would walking around with an rpg be provocative?
I don’t see how those are analogous
@@scotch7731 both are deadly weapon
ambidextrousfapper It just seems like using rapists and a girl in sexy clothes as the comparison is really muddy
17:50 Arian lost me the moment he said "It's just buildings"
yeah, where does Arian work? lets burn down that building. Oh he works from home. Burn it. See if its still just a building.
I guess that’s what some people think when conservatards say ‘meh, it’s just blacks’ when they see how much black people are still treated.
Facts
www.sentencingproject.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Black-Lives-Matter.pdf
@Ty Throw bruh are you dumb he played in the nfl
Buildings can be rebuilt, a life cannot be reclaimed. Equating murder with property damage is low, even for a destiny fan.
Anthony NonApplicable Who are you talking to? No one in this thread equated losing a life to losing a building.
Destiny won the argument when he asked the series of questions about "should a business owner be able to show up with a gun to defend his business? Yes. How about a family member? Yes. Friend? Yes. Member of community? No. Why? Because." I've tried to make this point to others, but destiny walked him though the logic much better.
@Noiseless Sounds congrats on completely missing the fucking point haha.
Arian Foster: “I don’t think he should have died”
Destiney: “Sure”
Jacob Blake: 👀
Destiny is making the best argument for him being a psychopath that I've seen in a while.
@@goduvideo7995 Destiny is agreeing with him. The joke is that Jacob Blake is still alive.
@@HyperionStudiosDE thanks for the context, I'm a tad auts
I mean, Jacob Blake is still alive as far as I know lmao
Lukas Withakay i think most people would say he shouldn’t have been there in the first place with a weapon
29:15 Bro 16 year olds lied about their age and enlisted to fight in WW1 in my country, absolutely there people that age who care and even willing to die on a battlefield
@@allan7380 I mean with this argument why should age restrict literally anything by law.
@@skull7763 That isn't what he was getting at...
@@dannygelbart6827 that's the logical conclusion to the argument
@@skull7763 No it isn't wtf are you on about. He's trying to explain that just because something is "against the law to do before a certain age" doesn't mean you can't know/learn/experience those things anyways. Some people their parents let them drink/smoke, others let them try driving their cars before they have a license, etc, etc...it doesn't mean it's the right thing to do but simply that it can be done and then by the time you can legally do it you have experience with whatever it is.
@@dannygelbart6827 the fact that you think this contradicts what I said shows how smooth your brain is
You can literally be waving your ass at someone in this situation. You can "want conflict" and "be provocative" (Kyle wasn't btw) you still don't have to let people try to kill you. You have a right to defend yourself. All these arguments imply that it's fine to kill Kyle because he was on the wrong side
This was incredibly useless. Destiny just did the meme where he played chess against a pigeon for an hour.
Holy shit this one was frustrating. Arian just wanted to come out on top SO BADLY
@chefaopt
Yep.
@treydarling If the first shooting was justified, then other people would have no reason to think an act of self defense is still an active threat. He did not put his gun down because his attackers were still within arm's reach, keeping on him and escalating on a rifleman.
Also, nice job using the word "terrorism" there. Morally load your argument a little more, here I'll do it too. "Kyle was heroically defending the livelihood of businesses which people's lives depend on to feed their innocent children when some murderous rioters hunted him down and tried to brutally assault or even kill him." Is that better? Is my argument stronger now because I virtue signaled?
treydarling You used that word knowing its connotation and now you’re playing dumb. You know you wanted to end your comment with “Destiny supports terrorism” to end with that zinger. Don’t try to bullshit me “Oh, I never knew that people think terrorism is bad! What? 9-11? Iraq war? What’s that?”
He had plenty of time to put his gun down when they were at point blank range still attacking him? Oh...... sorry.... I’m.... just.... a... snowflake....that..... is... perfect.... logic....
Arian Foster: "But it's just businesses, who really cares if they're being burnt to the ground?"
***Gets into his Ferrari and drives away***
OMG! I can totally see him seeing his property getting damaged and being like, "Hell Nah N***a! I'm finna beat yo ass!" and running after them and beating them to near death, if not killing them HAHAHA
@Nilly Sigger No the guy burned in Minn was the OWNER of a pawn shop and was black.
@Nilly Sigger Could be. There's been more than one afterall.
@Noiseless Sounds First off it has nothing to do with right wing anything. Also, did you ever think that we can respect people's property AND care about lives at the same time? They aren't mutually exclusive unless you're a brainwashed braindead antifa. You're supposed to be "protesting" police brutality not looting, destroying and hurting innocent people and their lives work.
You do that and then wonder why no one cares about your lives? Doesn't take a genius to understand why people aren't with you.
@Noiseless Sounds The same thing could be said about liberals caring more about the lives of criminals than your fellow hard working Americans.
When you want someone to be guilty but can't justify it you tongue tie yourself.
iT's JuSt PrOpErTy. Tell that to homeless people.
what
Dont forget "ThEy HaVe InSuRaNcE"
@@kriegaone3658 that's a good one too.
nothing is more important to a homeless person than their home
@@god8911 homeless people dont have homes. or buildings, or any property. to live in. to not have to sleep on the streets. and rioters are burning down random privately owned shit while being the same people who would argue that homeless people are poor, and dont have anything because of capitalism or some shit. "lets burn down other peoples shit while we complain about how we and other people dont have enough" that's highly logical isnt it?
POGGERS Destiny and Arian
Thanks for the support
@@bobbyfeeno Are you high during this? :D im just 20% into the video and the "uuuuuhs" in the beginning is cracking me up!
Blake was not breaking up a fight,. The woman called cops for sexual assault.
He was violating a restraining order for sexual assault.
This is total alternate reality where a guy protecting property from criminals is somehow a provocation...
This white superhero complex youre defending is pretty pathetic
Tom Keenoy what a stupid reductive view of this entire argument. People can protect property from rioters, period.
@Kazakh Stallion there is no credible source that says any of the victims are pedos let alone criminals
Looking at what literally happened, Kyle looked like he did defend himself, and in turn, Kyle was chased down by a bunch of angry people who looked like they wanted to cause him harm. However, my problem with this defensive argument does not relate to what happened on the footage, but for the fact he was going into an area with a gun. From an outsiders prospective (I'm not from the US), Kyle was going into an area with a gun to protect other peoples property. By having a gun on you, there is definitely the intent to use that gun; an intent to kill someone that is going to burn down a business. Even though that did not happen, it still seems like thats what Kyles premeditative actions were going to be regardless. What people are failing to address is that Kyle is willing to put his life and other peoples on the line to save a business. Those people should have not died even if they were scummy, everyone has a right to live.
The idealisation of guns in the US is the biggest takeaway from this situation. The mind frame of thinking a gun is made for protecting someone or something is the problem. I know that the US has a cultural history with guns, but it still doesn't justify that mind frame. If he had a knife on him and killed those two people I think some peoples perception of the matter might have been different because the actions of using a knife comes across far more vicious and intentful, whereas using a gun seems less violent from most peoples perspective.
@Lukas Withakay are you arguing we should let kids have guns? i mean i dont think i would rush a kid with a gun but thats cause i dont want the kid to shoot me. but i still dont trust a kid with a gun. seems like a recipe for someone getting killed no?
Also their description of the Trayvon martin thing is completely wrong
Can you dumb it down/break it down to me
@Da'Rellus Jarvis Marquavius From what I remember Zimmerman thought Trayvon was acting suspiciously in his community so he decided to follow him. Trayvon tried to get away and Zimmerman decided to continue following him, which resulted in a physical altercation between them in which Trayvon ended up dead.
Nicolas Derome
You are 💯 right.
Da'Rellus Jarvis Marquavius the argument is a moral one not a legal one. I agree Zimmerman had a right to defend himself but he shouldn’t have followed him, he shouldn’t have had a gun on him to follow him, and he shouldn’t have confronted him.
@Da'Rellus Jarvis Marquavius Trayvon was a thuggish guy with a history of fighting who initiated violence there, but the years after the shooting revealed Zimmerman too was a scumbag.
So Arian Foster thinks that bringing guns to loot and burn down local businesses is not provacation, but when people show up to defend those businesses with guns that crosses his moral line? I mean, there was another famous person who used to think like this and his name was Al Capone.
You could say the protestors are there to provoke the system while those that came to defend the property are there to provoke the individual which is what i think his main point was.
@@BulletPriestTV That point would be true if the "protestors" were only burning down police stations and law enforcement buildings. These businesses had nothing to do with anything that happened in these police shootings or covid-19 or any other shit. We literally have situations where privileged white kids are burning down businesses owned by black people, all in the name of BLM. And now that the local governments have basically pulled back on any sort of police intervention quell the insurgancy, I would like to know when its ok for some these folks to start defending their own businesses. Because good ole Arian Foster seems to think this is all fine.
Right, that human life =/= property damage.
It's a really simple take, my dude.
@@Avenger222 That's a good take to justify gangrape too. Rape does not equal human life so no one should be defended from rapists.
@@BillRevis I think you messaged the wrong person, because that's one hell of a strawman if you were responding to me.
Try again.
It’s come from Kyles defense team that he was in Kenosha that whole day for work and stayed after he got off to protect the community, the whole he traveled out of his way argument is disingenuous
*Destiny makes any point whatsoever*
Arian: “that’s a separate issue lol”
Destiny embraces mass-shooters: twitter.com/tospiritaway/status/1299877079467675649
Is that really how most of the conversation went? Destiny made plenty of sh!t arguments here. He's lost most of his integrity in my eyes. He was just arguing here to 'win'
@@Scoring57 i feel like you biases must have blinded you then. he was and has been consistent on this. all his points follow. to me it feels like Arian had this view of the kid because he was white and had a gun and let those facts blind him to anything else that actually happened because of whats going on in his head politically. He matched any escalation by showing up with a gun to a place where people were already armed. only showed up to defend property. and someone enacted violence on him, he reacted. "A women shouldn't walk alone in a parking garage because she may get raped. That doesn't mean that she is provoking the rape". theres a lot of weird bullshit going on but i've given up on anyone actually having integrity on either side politically. It's just like when that dude and his gf had that fight on stream where she was yelling and throwing things at him and he slapped her. it's whatever if you have a different opinion but, people were living in fucking delusion to try to make the guy as culpable as possible when destiny was trying to cover the facts of what happened.
@@semimad100
You feel like I'm letting my biases blind me? You're doing what most conservatives do when they're overly charitable with people they agree with or the side they're taking. We now know one protester had a gun (one), and you're using that to excuse why him and other people took in AR 15's. Even though at the time they shouldn't have been aware of that. So no, it still doesn't make sense that they brought guns there. Even when they pulled out their guns no one shot them (so how dangerous are those protesters really then?).
"A women shouldn't walk alone in a parking garage because she may get raped. That doesn't mean that she is provoking the rape"
So you think women walking around is the same as a person walking around with a deadly weapon that makes you fear for your life?
"Make the guy as culpable as possible when destiny was trying to cover the facts of what happened."
Destiny is not just dealing with the facts, he's taking a side. And an irrational one. The only reason the things that happened happened is cause of those dicheads that brought deadly guns there (those aren't self-defense weapons, they're murder weapons). The right and left clash all the time and people don't end up dead like this. In this case they were clearly overstepping boundaries and trying to act as an authority that they're not rather than just exercising their rights
@@Scoring57 once again, yes. why dont you type out the events that happened. in the end. it was an armed person defending himself. lol at thinking im a conservative btw. you can try really hard to try to make it seem like him being there makes things one way or another but it comes down to someone enacting violence on him and him defending himself. so i would say you're doing exactly what you're trying to say others are doing but just with the side you agree with. I didn't hear about this event until this debate and had to look up what happened after. also, someone walking around with a gun may make you feel slightly weird but that is not violence, the same way a women walking at night might fear a man who happens to be withing 100 feet of her. so yes, the analogy holds
I don't get the people on the comments saying " such a great convo" or " this guy is good". This guy literally lacks the intention to comprehend destiny, also saying "fuck property" is meaningless.
Yeah I mean he was polite but his arguments are absurd, worse than Vaush's even. Like his idea of what constitutes provocation is blatantly self interest and not grounded in any logical consistency.
lol
“Beverly hills and Oakland are 10 miles apart” - Destiny
Pretty sure this dude is trying to say,"Kyle can not defend is community because he's white," without saying it.
If you work in a community you form relationships with others. If one family business is destroyed the community suffers as a whole. It’s not just personal property, it’s means of production; someone’s job(s) and life’s work. Odd to see collectivists suddenly struggle with this concept.
And to add onto this, communities need to adapt and change with an evolving market. Look at where Ferguson is today, non metropolitan regions don't have the economic pull to overcome the affects that rioting has on a community. Businesses don't move to towns that are on fire.
it's weird that you use the word "collectivist" in a way implies negativity, but your whole post is about collectivism and community.
so i gotta ask. what exactly do you mean by "community" and what exactly do you mean by "collectivism"?
Regardless right wing militias aren't the law and they shouldn't be in a situation which will clearly facilitate agitation & violence. Besides , small businesses get destroyed by big businesses all the time, where's the likes of Kyle then? They're defending Trump & big business/corporations.
@@hugostiglitz1673 Did you just compare economic competition with rioters looting and burning a business?
@@hugostiglitz1673 Facts. Left was peacefully burning and smashing cars. I also remember when execs from Toyota came down to destroy my local car dealership because it had gone under.
this guy has so many holes in his stupid arguement, destiny could've destroyed this guy.
Arian Foster can't be taken seriously after he defended NBA player's antisemitic remarks
Can you take destiny serious after defending the use of the n word? Just wondering
Sir smokes a lot Samson I think you understand the massive distinction and are being intentionally obtuse.
@C Ernesto Innocent protesters? He specifically said on the clip that protesters who are torching buildings. Unless you don't think if someone is in the process of burning down a building that you can defend it eventually with lethal force?
C Ernesto Man I hate when “innocent protestors” who want to give me a hug chase me with skateboards and bottles saying get his ass and my extremist militia buddies have to “gun them down”.
Destiny embraces mass-shooters: twitter.com/tospiritaway/status/1299877079467675649
24:47 and this is the moment that Destiny starts warming up the spin rotation of his mini gun and prepares to open fire...
Only against peaceful protestors ofcourse
Lol I saw Bobby Feno and thought I was racist cause I was like “wow he sounds exactly like Arian Foster” . But it is actually Arian Foster
Lol
I had the exact same thought! Lol
It's not racist. I thought he was Anthony Brian Logan
because he sounds very similar to that guy
Theodore J. Oaker I mean it’s not. But to many in this community it probably would be lol
That's not racist at all. Similarities between people can obviously confuse others, race can be one of those similarities.
ugh, just call it. this guy wouldn't change his mind despite being 2000% wrong on every single point.
It wasn’t a debate. It was peer pressure
@@puppetperception7861 it was a massacre
Puppet Perception what do you mean ?
The_Guy he never once actually constructed an argument but instead danced around pleading Destiny not to utter an approval of Americans experiencing themselves as a Collective Identity outside of the control of their techno feudal fiefdom
Bobby is so focused with “trying to sound smart” rather than trying to make points.
"it's only violence, because someone opposes it"
wow if that does not count I guess the world is vastly less violent than I thought it was
Destiny embraces mass-shooters: twitter.com/tospiritaway/status/1299877079467675649
The whole "debate" point of Arian is:"Kyle isn't black so who gives a fu*k about his rights"
Just FYI, The Black Panthers from like 3 months ago, those were actors and they were used in a music video. They came out already talking about it.
They were referring to the “Not Fucking Around Coalition” not the black panthers. The NFAC did amass in a large group flexing their 2a and actually harassed drivers. So the idiotic narrative of “if they were black..” falls by the wayside. None of those black people were killed and one of them misfired their weapons.
So to summarize: Kyle is bad, cus Kyle is bad. I honestly don't get why all this negativity is projected onto the kid, and everything that could justify his actions is simply taken away and dsiregarded, without any proof or reason.
And this whole "you're giving him the benefit of the doubt"... I don't know. Sure, some benefit of the doubt. There is plenty we as the public don't know, so yes, the entire picture could still change. But he SHOULD get the benefit of the doubt as things stand, due to his record. What sane person goes around cleaning up gratify? Kyle does. You could ask yourself: why would he do that? Seems to be, that it's fairly likely he would do that because he's one of those kids that loves his community. And there is plenty more where that came from. It's not just cleaning gratify. It's his entire record of behavior -- both in the protest and outside it. It just perfectly fits in the picture of some naive kid that loves his community.
He loves his community so much that he killed two people from his community.
It's because Kyle is White, simple as that.
Frank Atwood actually he is Hispanic....so that means his a minority which means he’s a......say it with me VICTIM GROUP
I keep noticing through various videos of Destiny, he is really unbiased and consistent. It kinda irks me that Foster doesn't seem to see that. He's too invested so it looks warped to him.
Yeah I noticed that too. It’s like a poodle fighting an anaconda
how would he see that? He's probably seen like half a video of destiny. He responds to every single thing destiny said. btw das a girl's name
@@BT-oj1bn except Arian talked to Destiny liked a year ago and kindof fanboyed on him.
If it’s stupid to go to a protest with a gun surely it’s even more idiotic to charge the guy at the protest who’s holding the gun without one.
@@allan7380 Which is legal for them to do so. Good job, my dude.
@@Avenger222 So it's legal for Kyle to have brought one as well (if he was 18).
I'm guessing they should have sneaked behind him then. Because how else were they going to disarm him
@@marksilla8276 Because they needed to disarm him? Oh wait you mean like that mob disarmed the guy with the bow and arrow few months back? Oh right I guess they did after all violently attacking him and beating him with skateboards...but they just needed to disarm him and hold him for police...which they didn't do either.
Protest? These are revolutionary thugs who were burning down peoples stuff and bashing people for no good reason - not that there is any reason for that at all! Would you stand by and let them do it to your house or business, or your car? They are the provocateurs, not the people who turn up to stop them. Wake up people.
Nobody ever mentions the third guy Kyle shot who was a felon in possession of a firearm at a protest
@@cheesys8706 first one was a diddlet second was domestic abuse i believe
He lived though
I love the argument that he should have known better than to be there, you can so easily reverse that and say a black guy should know better than to go to some areas in Alabama
@@incognito6033 all people should be safe in all places in America
It's weird this time around because BOTH sides are flinging that at one another. And I'm just sitting here kinda like, "well...you're both HALF right."
@@quatreraberbawinner2628 It should be, but it clearly is not. You can't live in fantasy land and act according to how you think things should be when that can get you or others killed.
I mean I really don't get the point of ascribing any intent to either party for the sake of this argument. It essentially boiled down to him being incredulous toward the idea of the shooter wanting to defend/ uphold his community when destiny was merely granting that fact, not supporting it.
@@JohnDoe-sp3dc his disbelief in this concept was interesting, I don't know wether he just couldn't imagine such a scenario or if he just wanted to ascribe the worst intentions to this kid
It's so obvious that Desinty treats Foster with kid gloves for... reasons.
Destiny is a Self Hating White. Its pathetic.
Kyle worked in Kenosha, he lived 20 minutes from there. This was his community. The gun never crossed state lines. He was protecting his community when law enforcement wouldn't. That is sad. I wish he had no reason to feel he had to. And how on Earth could anyone argue that he was the provocateur? What about the people burning crap down? That isn't provocation?!?
Destiny has some good points but he is being way too charitable to this guy to fit his points in this and Vaush’s conversation. He makes his points based on probability and theoretical mindsets but discredits the other’s points for being based on probability and theoretical mindsets. I think this conversation would be better to have after a trial and verdict so we get more of the information.
Why are you surprised?
Lefties arguments are always "probability and theoretical mindsets" that only makes sense in disney settings.
Really? I don't know how you can defend that. All evidence seems to support Destiny's claim , Arian was the one stating "I don't think that's why he was there".
QuD3 and conservatives arguments are always conspiracies, unoriginal, or elementary school level thinking, which is why Trump is so popular with y’all.
Boboqt Vv Because no one can truly know why he was there. It is just as likely that he was there to stir up conflict and agitate since he had no legit business being there other than to play cop. We can’t know his exact thinking. He knew he was going into danger and would probably use his gun, he said so himself. Sure it was in self defense, but if you put yourself into conflict, how valid is your claim to self defense?
@@luke8536
You just described both Vaush and Destiny to be talking in "probability & theoretical mindsets", that sounds like a conspiracy theory to me.
I'm sure the CIA who invented the term to discredit free thinkers would agree with me.
Just feels like he discredits the kid just cuz he’s white lol
That's exactly what he's trying to do.
"I think white people using their 2nd amendment right to defend their communities is wrong because it makes me uncomfortable" - that's the whole take from Adrian
Jacob Blake isn't dead lol, you guys should probably know the facts if you're going to debate them.
Only 15 min and this other guy is basically claiming violent armed protesters are ok but armed locals are not. So one group of people have special rights that others dont have
“fuck property” -guy with $38 million in career earnings
I don't get this convo. Does the other person think only black have right to protest otherwise it's violence or something?
ortomy yeah but the people that burn down businesses that have nothing to do with them are obviously wrong and there is zero justification for that.
ortomy because nobody is talking about the peaceful protestors. We are talking about the rioters.
No matter who's side you're stanning for, this was still a dope convo.
What sides are there here
centrist opinion 😴
@@homelessguy4395 I didn't even give you my opinion
@@samuelc7999 read the video title
@@xferla I did, what are the two sides? you and the title failed to surmise
It’s still so weird watching destiny talk w one of the best running backs from the 2000s
this guy is so oblivious to people wanting to help others. He ascribes bad faith intentions on Kyle without evidence clearly cuz he can't wrap his head around people wanting to protect their community.
Him saying he thinks Jacob Blake shouldn’t have died shows everything about the misinformation of this time.
"you white so you shouldnt bee getting in da way of black pipo"
-Why would you go there and protect someone's business? Who cares if they set it on fire? It's just a building.
-If someone is trying to beat you up and you have a gun to protect yourself you must let them beat you up because then there's a higher chance of no one dying
Empathy level: -999
Intelligence/ -999
@@blazerdude89 Are you disagreeing with this?
50:24 it is not. it is literaly practicing his first and second ammendment rights
if people choose to attack him for being there with a weapon they are the agressors...
When a group of people go into a restaurant with rifles do you believe that the customers have no valid reason to feel nervous? They aren't going to shoot people. That doesn't mean that people are not going to feel some anxiety. Snakes, Spiders and the like give people subconscious anxieties. The same with people that are not accustomed to firearms. They are absolutely the aggressors but it is within human behavior to be aggressive in that scenario. I will not get into specifics but some people are more likely to fight in a situation than take flight. Even though the latter is a far better option. Society is pushing both sides into these positions. Kyle defended himself however blaming people for being afraid of "white men with guns" is partially the medias responsibility and even influencers. They hold some blame but people are idiots and monkey see monkey do.
@@Onthebrink5 that hypotatical group of men who enter a dinner with rifles are not the agressors just because people felt intimidated by the rifles... that is projection... In america it is your basic right to posses fire arms - if you enter a dinner with a rifle pointing it out on people then you are agressing
if projection would be the standart of action then me feeling intimidated by men with big muscles could be a reason to call agression
@ It isn't a hypothetical. It has happened many times and cops have been called and everytime they are asked to leave. Maybe you should work on learning the spelling of words. You clearly were not intelligent or mature enought to understand what my comment entailed. I never once said that they were the aggressors. You can't even spell aggressor with autocorrect. You can't even understand the difference between being tactful and being a douchebag. The law does not have anything to do with ethics. Lol my guess is that you are at the most 10 years old. Yep, a guy with big muscles has the ability to kill 100s of people. That is why we send big muscled men into battle w/o weapons.
@@Onthebrink5 The protesters had guns too, but only they are allowed to feel nervous or afraid?
@@Onthebrink5 You're calling someone else unintelligent when your entire scenario didn't make sense to begin with. It's a horrible analogy that has no relevance to what happened.
As a black man in Houston, i keep telling coworkers I would have did the same as Rittenhouse according to the video I've seen . I only seen 1 video of him running and then turning around shooting falling, about to be stomped out. If there's other videos someone please GIVE ME A LINK. I have people Telling me why was he there with a weapon. People have a right to open carry where I'm from. So I don't get why he was a threat "yet". I WASNT THERE SO I DONT KNOW . MIND YOU THESE ARE TEXANS TELLING ME HE SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN THERE WITH A GUN.
are the protesters that fly into a city to protest directly tied to that community? lol
Well they do say your spirit is tied to the place you died
Congrats. You described like 0.000001% of protestors.
That is a blatant whataboutism. 2 separate things can be wrong congruently. I am not making a claim one way or another. I am merely stating that this argument wouldn't best a 9th grade debate team. Just because protesters flying into a city is wrong does not invalidate the claim that someone else could be wrong as well. It is terrible logic. It is akin to saying Trump did something bad. Didn't Hillary do something bad? Lol. It is called poor critical thinking skills.
Lol who tf is flying into cities to protest? Destiny’s fans are so dumb
@SoggyShrimp Waaah burnt buildings...they have insurance
Okay, my biggest issue with Destiny here is the flippant attitude of "it's okay to burn down government buildings". I'm not saying that because there's never a time for a people to oppose the government but you outta be real serious and careful to even begin considering that sort of shit.
This is literally a non criticism, obviously they are going to believe they thought it through.
He goes into much more depth and reasoning in other videos . I would post if i knew which ones exactly . Its not just some random comment
This was wayyyy better than the Vaush debate, Arian actually got down to the issues and stayed on the moral plane. Great content!
"Suuuuuuuuuuuurrreee"
This guy makes Vaush look like a newborn baby
But he was a racist -- outright saying if they were black or part of the black community, they get the benefit of he doubt. But Kyle does not.
He turned out to be wrong, and proved himself a racist at the same time -- ok, so alot like Vaush.
17 year olds inherently DO NOT have the right to open carry, let alone cross state lines with a firearm
He didn't cross state lines with a firearm and that doesn't give these rioters the right to chase him down and attack him. Whether or not it was legal for him to have that gun, he was justified in the use of it for self defense.
Rittenhouse went to the protest as a supporter of BLUE LIVES MATTER not BLACK LIVES MATTER. He is part of a militia group that believes cops shouldn’t allow protests because PROPERTY gets damaged. These stores have insurance. He went with a gun to start trouble with protesters he disagreed with, with a gun. He had the intent of violence. Therefore he’s wrong. He can go have his own protest without clashing physically but he did it on purpose. That’s why it’s first degree murder he’s charged with. He planned it. If there wasn’t intent it would be second degree murder. I think Destiny just likes to debate but it’s such a dumb bad take.
When Kyle walks on all his charges you'll know how wrong you were. Good luck.
Kyle was clearly there for a specific buissness. he is not recorded provoking anyone.. actually the only recording is the first guy chasing him with anger while kyle actually tries to walk away meaning the first guy was the agressor. then the other 2 are also recorded trying to attack kyle... they are the agressors , kyle turned hismelf in after the shooting stright away. this are the facts whether you find it hard to believe because of your baise towards the riot group called BLM.
This guy is painfully blinded by his own bias. Fml
It's amazing how quickly people condemn/label others without even knowing all the facts of the situation. Kyle did not go to Kenosha to "start shit", intimidate, or provoke the protesters. There are several interviews showing he was there to help people, and his group was specifically asked by the business owner to help protect their property. He wasn't going around willy-nilly from place to place trying to intimidate or provoke anyone. If you're gonna debate this stuff on video/stream, the very least you can do is research the case/topic thoroughly.
you're brainwashed... only in America it's normal for to send a 17 year old with a gun... you expect a 17 year old to be wise enough to De-escalate a situation?
@@dylansevitt Go watch the videos and you will see there were multiple people alongside Kyle brandishing weapons. It wasn't just him alone protecting that business. Is what he did stupid for his age, yeah it was. But maybe the protesters shouldn't have started shit with a group of people brandishing weapons trying to protect a business, and instead moved along.
@@grymjaw Go watch the videos and tell me who the real aggressors are. The people who were shot were all together from the same group of protesters, and all had a history of violence and issues with authority. Why were they protesting at local business's and not a government building? What kind of BLM protester yells "shoot me n*****". Look at all the information available and my argument makes itself
@@buuzorr you come from such terrible perspective... It doesn't really matter who the aggressor was, these deaths were avoidable... putting a 17 year-old in a position where has to make those decisions is insane... the fact that he allowed himself to be cornered suggests he shouldn't have been there to begin with...
@@grymjaw My bad then and yeah I would agree with that, which is why I said people should look at all the information available before making up their minds. There is a lot of information available regarding this issue if you look hard enough.
So... It's probably going to go down like this.
1. He was 17. It was illegal for him to possess that rifle. In his home state you have to be 21, in Wisconsin you have to be 18. This was crime 1
2. Crossing the State line with an illegally possessed weapon is a pretty big deal and a big fat #2 on crime list
3. Wisconsin totally allows for the use of deadly force in self defense, but the caveat is that you can't be committing a crime by possessing that rifle.
4. Wisconsin has a Castle Doctrine, but you can only deadly force if the perpetrators are in your dwelling or place of business. For a place of business, you have to owner be in charge of operations of said business. You can't just post up to protect a random business, also you can't chase people if they decide to retreat like this 17yo did. Wisconsin V. Charles L Chew is the case law if you want to have a look.
5. It is not self defense when you get in a car with a rifle and drive 15 miles to another town and walk the streets with a rifle.
He had every option to stay home, but he chose to get involved in this situation with the plan to be involved with the confrontation (hence the rifle). Also in Wisconsin self defense law, you can't be the instigator and claim self defense. He became the instigator once he pursued.
6. Wearing gloves but no mask is also gonna be hard to explain. He is not concerned about covid-19 infection because his respiratory system is exposed. The blue gloves were on to hide fingerprints and any gun powder residue often used to convict shooters. He had intent to murder.
*No lawyer can defend these blatantly dumb mistakes. This wanna be future cop probably can't pass a psychological test to become one. So it seems to me that on precedent alone they will try to make an example of him or at least of the person that armed him. He has 6 charges against him. Other people that reacted treated it like an active shooter situation with seems very reasonable given the circumstances. So I doubt he'd get off and a skateboard being a deadly weapon isn't going to fly. The court also wont treat the whole mob as a block for self defense and will only focus on the individuals involved. Two of which are dead. Since self defense is an affirmative one they'd have to prove that the actions of other's were life and death without him instigating which is a hard sell to a jury. They could also charge him with felony murder as well where intent is irrelevant if someone dies during the commission of a felony.*
*Wisconsin 948.60*
Possession of a dangerous weapon by a person under 18.
(1) In this section, “dangerous weapon" means any firearm, loaded or unloaded; any electric weapon, as defined in s. 941.295 (1c) (a); metallic knuckles or knuckles of any substance which could be put to the same use with the same or similar effect as metallic knuckles; a nunchaku or any similar weapon consisting of 2 sticks of wood, plastic or metal connected at one end by a length of rope, chain, wire or leather; a cestus or similar material weighted with metal or other substance and worn on the hand; a shuriken or any similar pointed star-like object intended to injure a person when thrown; or a manrikigusari or similar length of chain having weighted ends.
*(2)(a) Any person under 18 years of age who possesses or goes armed with a dangerous weapon is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor.*
*(b) Except as provided in par. (c), any person who intentionally sells, loans or gives a dangerous weapon to a person under 18 years of age is guilty of a Class I felony.*
*(c) Whoever violates par. (b) is guilty of a Class H felony if the person under 18 years of age under par. (b) discharges the firearm and the discharge causes death to himself, herself or another.*
(d) A person under 17 years of age who has violated this subsection is subject to the provisions of ch. 938 unless jurisdiction is waived under s. 938.18 or the person is subject to the jurisdiction of a court of criminal jurisdiction under s. 938.183
*Wisconsin 939.48*
(2) Provocation affects the privilege of self-defense as follows:
*(a) A person who engages in unlawful conduct of a type likely to provoke others to attack him or her and thereby does provoke an attack is not entitled to claim the privilege of self-defense against such attack, except when the attack which ensues is of a type causing the person engaging in the unlawful conduct to reasonably believe that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm. In such a case, the person engaging in the unlawful conduct is privileged to act in self-defense, but the person is not privileged to resort to the use of force intended or likely to cause death to the person's assailant unless the person reasonably believes he or she has exhausted every other reasonable means to escape from or otherwise avoid death or great bodily harm at the hands of his or her assailant.*
(b) The privilege lost by provocation may be regained if the actor in good faith withdraws from the fight and gives adequate notice thereof to his or her assailant.
*(c) A person who provokes an attack, whether by lawful or unlawful conduct, with intent to use such an attack as an excuse to cause death or great bodily harm to his or her assailant is not entitled to claim the privilege of self-defense.*
"3. Wisconsin totally allows for the use of deadly force in self defense, but the caveat is that you can't be committing a crime by possessing that rifle." Source?
He was wearing gloves because he is an EMT and was providing help that night? Also the issues of being underage, crossing state lines, protecting a random business are valid questions but are still secondary to the self defense case.
@@nickcavalero3780 so he just wanted more people to provide medical services to? If he didn't go there, commiting crimes on the way and to be there in the manner he was, would he have had to defend himself? He put himself there, intentionally, and I'd be willing to bet so he could live out his good guy with a gun fantasy. There's just no other rational reason for him to be there.
@@HyperionStudiosDE Read the whole thing. I sourced it right there.
@@BenReillySpydr1962 Still don't see where it says that you can't defend yourself with an illegal weapon unless you think the mere posession is a provocation which it's not. And even then 939.48 (2) (a) says that you can defend yourself if in fear of death or gread bodily harm.