My D4 char is named for him. I know loyalists who love him, but they also can speak honestly about philosophy without getting bogged down. Like missing the point behind the belief that Magnus is innocent
@Kaima Moonfury having an open mind and willingness to listen to opposing viewpoints is a skill that has only just recently been abandoned... Nietzsche, Jung, Diogenes, Sartre, Kierkegaard, Descartes etc are all great philosophers... I'm not sure what you're getting at w that...
@@samuelkristensen6685 he basically passed with a D minus. Like he's old as f*** and could take only some of the gene seed implants and the rest had to be made up with cybernetics and such. He's not as tough but at this point I'm pretty sure the warp is helping him a lot
It wasn't his monologing that allowed G-man to tear one of his hearts, but the fact, that he wanted to corrupt him. If he wanted to kill him, he would have done so. Regardless it was out-right forbidden by the chaos gods to kill the G-man even to Lorgar, because in his last moments, Guliman would have ordered all forces to make haste to Terra and the war would surely be lost.
It’s strange that Erebus and Kor Phaeron are not described as being heavily mutated, which is normally the case for the most advanced worshippers of Chaos.
Actually both has wards and spells tattooed over their whole body, some kept out demon possession, others kept the warp from effecting them psychically.
People always accuse the Emperor for being a horrible father to his sons, but it is a always a reminder that not all of the adoptive parents of the Primarchs were paragons of virtues, and Kor Phaeron is on the top list of being a bad dad.
I think part of the issue is the chaos gods deliberately chose certain planets to warp the development of the primarch's psyche so that a heresy was inevitable due to the Emperor being unable to relate to or dedicate resources to stopping them. Functionally The Gods used a narcisisstic double bind or catch 22 to force the Emperor into a no win situation where everyone would perceive him as a jerk for trying his best to triage the situation so humanity would not go extinct and in that the Emperor was successful at the steepest of costs. Be that as it may I think given that Lorgar was a primarch obsessed with faith I think the Emperor should have definately forseen his fall to chaos or maybe employed his Custodes as psycho therapists for the more broken or wayward primarchs.
He's like the pedo catholic priest who happened to find Jesus wandering the streets. Now he manipulates and schemes his way to being the pope on the back of the lords son....
Even as a Word Bearers fanboy, I hate this guy. He is the perfect villain. Absolutely unrelatable, alien, and corrupt. He is amazing in that way, and as such? He deserves recognition.
Are you sure you aren't speaking about Erebus there? cause that sounds more like him unlike Kor Pheron; which i consider more of a lesser man/mortal that got lucky honestly.
@@R0230R Erebus is a whole other book. He is worse. He is beyond worse, but Kor Phaeron? He has something that makes him utterly anethema. Theres something inherently wrong in his crazy, while Erebus is just.. lacking in all decency and value, Papa Kor-P is just.. I dont know. Its wrong. On so many more levels. I look at it like the difference between a rabid beast, and a sycophant. Theyre both despicable as all fuck, though.
@@R0230Rboth are very scummy. Erebus is the architect of the Horus Heresy, but Kor Phaeron’s role in corrupting Lorgar began from the very beginning, way before Erebus. He would sow the seeds from the onset of meeting Lorgar, and would twist Lorgar over and over again, especially after Monarchia. Kor Phaeron, in this sense, is as evil as Erebus
@@thelegittaco974 I didn't deny that they're "scummy", just that Erebus fits more to the unrelatable and 'alien'=inhuman characteristics compared to Kor Phaeron from what we got out of his backstory. Erebus was always devoid of any semblance of humanity, while again; Kor was pretty much fortunate to be the one to find the one Primarch that was the most susceptible to what's basically Stockholm syndrome. he was never what one call powerful or charismatic, just lucky.
@@R0230R but doesn’t that make Kor Phaeron as inhumane and devoid of humanity too, in a way? He was lucky to find Lorgar, exploited him, abused him, and now Lorgar has Stockholm, he gets lucky, and when Lorgar is at his lowest, he takes advantage of it to make him serve his whims. You’re right, Erebus is more unrelatable in how devilish he is, but I don’t think Kor Phaeron is just lucky. He is not charismatic, but he is devious and very manipulative
Its a shame Kor gets overshadowed by both Erebus in the eyes of the fandom in terms of hate and responsibility for the heresy. When Really he's just as responsible as him. Like Erebus he too remained a chaos worshiper in private even after joining the legions and like Erebus he too was basically following Lorgars orders after both of them convinced him to join Chaos (I imagine the reason Lorgar is considered "the first heretic" is because in order to be a heretic you need to be a loyalist first which neither of them were). This probably has something to do Erebus appearing in the book series first.
That ending sentence didn't have to go so hard...but damn. It was glorious. Also you and other Warhammer channels have gotten me to actually spend some money on proxy marines then a real Hive Tyrant. Gonna practice painting on some old plastic toys laying around with primer and acrylic paint to get painting down right before doing The Marines and Hive Tyrant
Ngl, lorgal story is Imo the first clue to everything being part of the plan of big E. Imo he knows the the only way to destroy the chaos gods is by becoming a God himself and logar was the first step.
I would like to see Erebus have an other epic plan going and get it taken out from under him by Kharn at the last second. Can't kill Erebus... I love to hate him. He needs to kill Drogo first and the few other poorly written OP Mary Sue's. I always love how Erebus slips away honestly after doing something we all hate. Kor Phaeron is an attention whore baron. Have the hybrid stripped of his armor and thrown off the pages never to be written about again. Literally and metaphorically that would be the best death for such a poorly written character.
People really sleep on how busted Erebus and Kor are. Erebus has at will summoned 4 greater daemons like it was nothing and killed Erda. Kor with a bit of time was able to store about enough warp juice to paralyze a primarch and could have easily killed him if he didn't try to turn him instead. It's now been like 1200 years since and Kor and Erebus are still sane (relatively speaking) well Kharn is just a crazy man now who's died multiple times since.
Thinking of the old man sqeaking about in modified terminator armor....yelling "boy!" At lorgar as he rushed to protect his sons being slaughtered by Corvus...then saved from the killing blow by The night haunter. Kor did have balls tho, walking around missing a heart from Bobby G punching him...he survived to establish a safe haven in the eye. Sor telron was melted and in hell and lorgar brought him back...then became a dreadnought the warmonger. Badass. Lorgar had some balls to but his ego got too big. I love betrayer tho....buddy cop with angron in the shadow crusade.
Awesome video! I'm still newish to the hobby and didn't really understand what his role was in everything. Any chance of doing a video on Zahariel? He's been my favorite character since I started reading the Horus Heresey. Just starting on Fallen Angels and I'm so excited to have Zahariel as a main character again! I hope he gets to reunite with The Lion!
Phaeron was the real root of the HH, even before erebus. He corrupted logar, making him dependant on faith to live, even at the cost of worshipping the ruinous powers.
The only thing that I like about kor phaeron is his terminator armor it looks cool the terminus consolaris i think it's called but correct me if I'm wrong
Nice content Important to remember that the 13th was present with BigE at Harmonia, Guilliman and all UM eagerly annihilated the planet and enslaved the population... Also...'pursuit of purpose ' is meaningless w/o physical resources And spiritual foundation. So, ', honeyed words ' or not, WB DA methodology does indeed provide for sustainability of civilization and cultivaton of spiritual nourishment.
False: as all other Traitor Legions, the Word Bearers were basically annihilated and split in warbands competing for survival. They divided in sects led by various Dark Apostles and Cardinals, much likely excommunicating each other in the process. With Lorgar nowhere to be found, hiding with a good reason. Two reasons, more precisely. One is Guilliman, who swore to gut him like a fish, and almost succeded on Nuceria. The other is Corax, who's actively stalking him in the Eye of Terror to settle the score with the events of Istvaan V. I'd say that Lorgar's days are clearly numbered.
A reminder on how much a prick Kor is, Kor was attacked by assassins only for Logar to save him. After Logar saved him, Kor punished Logar with a beating
Following the events of Calth, I've always considered The Word Bearers as the primary chaotic rivals of the Ultramarines. I know the Black Legion usually fits that role as the vanilla chaos legion but I think that the Word Bearers fit much better.
Everyone wonders what happened to the 2nd and 11th Primarchs. Probably, for at least one of them, he just landed on a super-chill planet where he was raised by decent middle class parents and was in the middle of a communications degree when the Emperor showed up. He then bailed on the meeting and is still backpacking around the galaxy.
“20 Primarchs.” I’m curious, Mr. Remembrancer, do you not subscribe to the idea of there being 21 or 22 Primarchs in total? I’ve seen talk of Omegon and The Angel being considered part of the total number, and am quite curious of your stance on that :)
I never liked the idea of the Angel, but considering how hard it must have been to get Sang’s wings to function perfectly without relying on standard avian anatomy, I can see a trial run in the Angel. Imo he was a proto-Custodes who was driven mad by his augmentations
Valedor head of the Custodians could be considered a primarch. The emperor treated him as such, giving him special weapons that only other primarchs got to use.
Unrelated to warhammer, but what nationality is the narrator of this video/channel? I've been trying to place the accent since i first subscribed to the channel but i just can't figure it out. Any help would be much appreciated, cause it's driving me crazy being unable to place it.
@@MrJordwalk what region then? Cause that doesn't sound anything like any english accent i've ever heard (for the record, not implying you're wrong because i don't recognize it, i'm just asking since i don't recognize it do you know which region that accent is from)
Oh man... I hate thus guy! So does every other Loyalist... thus is gonna be great, I'm sure. Thank you for your dedicated hard work.
My D4 char is named for him. I know loyalists who love him, but they also can speak honestly about philosophy without getting bogged down. Like missing the point behind the belief that Magnus is innocent
@Kaima Moonfury having an open mind and willingness to listen to opposing viewpoints is a skill that has only just recently been abandoned... Nietzsche, Jung, Diogenes, Sartre, Kierkegaard, Descartes etc are all great philosophers... I'm not sure what you're getting at w that...
@Kaima Moonfury oh, yeah you and your friends are all smarter than the rest of us... and sooo virtuous, too. Right? You win.
Not just Loyalists... he and Erebus are roundly despised right across the Legions.
If he didn’t love the sound of his own voice so much, he might have gone down as the only traitor marine to have killed a primarch
Is he even technically a marine?
@@samuelkristensen6685 technically? Not. Practically? Yes!
@@samuelkristensen6685 he basically passed with a D minus. Like he's old as f*** and could take only some of the gene seed implants and the rest had to be made up with cybernetics and such. He's not as tough but at this point I'm pretty sure the warp is helping him a lot
@@samuelkristensen6685He's a chaplin of the Word Bearers... so i think Marine is an understatement.
It wasn't his monologing that allowed G-man to tear one of his hearts, but the fact, that he wanted to corrupt him. If he wanted to kill him, he would have done so. Regardless it was out-right forbidden by the chaos gods to kill the G-man even to Lorgar, because in his last moments, Guliman would have ordered all forces to make haste to Terra and the war would surely be lost.
Wild how the word bearers have arguably the two most hated non promarch characters in 40k being erebus and kor pheron.
Yep they're up there
The also have one of the most loved too with Argel Tal
So after a stellar showing by the Emperor of Mankind, next up on Worst Father in the Galaxy: Kor Phaeron!
It’s strange that Erebus and Kor Phaeron are not described as being heavily mutated, which is normally the case for the most advanced worshippers of Chaos.
They so bad that even chaos doesn't want to touch them xD
Actually both has wards and spells tattooed over their whole body, some kept out demon possession, others kept the warp from effecting them psychically.
@chadfife3265 wow they love chaos but they sure don't want embrace all of their gifts
@@chadfife3265 Neither are mutations.
@@headlibrarian1996 I never said they were... I said the tattoo spells stop mutations.
People always accuse the Emperor for being a horrible father to his sons, but it is a always a reminder that not all of the adoptive parents of the Primarchs were paragons of virtues, and Kor Phaeron is on the top list of being a bad dad.
I think part of the issue is the chaos gods deliberately chose certain planets to warp the development of the primarch's psyche so that a heresy was inevitable due to the Emperor being unable to relate to or dedicate resources to stopping them. Functionally The Gods used a narcisisstic double bind or catch 22 to force the Emperor into a no win situation where everyone would perceive him as a jerk for trying his best to triage the situation so humanity would not go extinct and in that the Emperor was successful at the steepest of costs.
Be that as it may I think given that Lorgar was a primarch obsessed with faith I think the Emperor should have definately forseen his fall to chaos or maybe employed his Custodes as psycho therapists for the more broken or wayward primarchs.
Morty got it pretty bad too
Ayo? -Lion'El
He's like the pedo catholic priest who happened to find Jesus wandering the streets. Now he manipulates and schemes his way to being the pope on the back of the lords son....
I still say angron was the worst father in 40k
Corvus grew up in a jail and the night lord still ended up more edgy and less proficient in sneaking
Even as a Word Bearers fanboy, I hate this guy. He is the perfect villain. Absolutely unrelatable, alien, and corrupt. He is amazing in that way, and as such? He deserves recognition.
Are you sure you aren't speaking about Erebus there? cause that sounds more like him unlike Kor Pheron; which i consider more of a lesser man/mortal that got lucky honestly.
@@R0230R Erebus is a whole other book. He is worse. He is beyond worse, but Kor Phaeron? He has something that makes him utterly anethema. Theres something inherently wrong in his crazy, while Erebus is just.. lacking in all decency and value, Papa Kor-P is just.. I dont know. Its wrong. On so many more levels. I look at it like the difference between a rabid beast, and a sycophant. Theyre both despicable as all fuck, though.
@@R0230Rboth are very scummy. Erebus is the architect of the Horus Heresy, but Kor Phaeron’s role in corrupting Lorgar began from the very beginning, way before Erebus. He would sow the seeds from the onset of meeting Lorgar, and would twist Lorgar over and over again, especially after Monarchia. Kor Phaeron, in this sense, is as evil as Erebus
@@thelegittaco974
I didn't deny that they're "scummy", just that Erebus fits more to the unrelatable and 'alien'=inhuman characteristics compared to Kor Phaeron from what we got out of his backstory. Erebus was always devoid of any semblance of humanity, while again; Kor was pretty much fortunate to be the one to find the one Primarch that was the most susceptible to what's basically Stockholm syndrome. he was never what one call powerful or charismatic, just lucky.
@@R0230R but doesn’t that make Kor Phaeron as inhumane and devoid of humanity too, in a way? He was lucky to find Lorgar, exploited him, abused him, and now Lorgar has Stockholm, he gets lucky, and when Lorgar is at his lowest, he takes advantage of it to make him serve his whims. You’re right, Erebus is more unrelatable in how devilish he is, but I don’t think Kor Phaeron is just lucky. He is not charismatic, but he is devious and very manipulative
Its a shame Kor gets overshadowed by both Erebus in the eyes of the fandom in terms of hate and responsibility for the heresy. When Really he's just as responsible as him. Like Erebus he too remained a chaos worshiper in private even after joining the legions and like Erebus he too was basically following Lorgars orders after both of them convinced him to join Chaos (I imagine the reason Lorgar is considered "the first heretic" is because in order to be a heretic you need to be a loyalist first which neither of them were). This probably has something to do Erebus appearing in the book series first.
That ending sentence didn't have to go so hard...but damn. It was glorious.
Also you and other Warhammer channels have gotten me to actually spend some money on proxy marines then a real Hive Tyrant.
Gonna practice painting on some old plastic toys laying around with primer and acrylic paint to get painting down right before doing The Marines and Hive Tyrant
Getting 100k word bearers killed on calth was an amazing job
Ngl, lorgal story is Imo the first clue to everything being part of the plan of big E. Imo he knows the the only way to destroy the chaos gods is by becoming a God himself and logar was the first step.
Kor Phaeron is SO detested that on Rule34, there is neither hard kor nor soft kor.
It’s only just old Kor.
Lot Phaeron had his Luke, I am your father moment. Love it.
We need a plot line where this guy gets his due. I propose that Khran thanks out both him and Erebus and throws their souls to the warp.
NGL would love to see it!
I would like to see Erebus have an other epic plan going and get it taken out from under him by Kharn at the last second. Can't kill Erebus... I love to hate him. He needs to kill Drogo first and the few other poorly written OP Mary Sue's.
I always love how Erebus slips away honestly after doing something we all hate.
Kor Phaeron is an attention whore baron. Have the hybrid stripped of his armor and thrown off the pages never to be written about again. Literally and metaphorically that would be the best death for such a poorly written character.
People really sleep on how busted Erebus and Kor are. Erebus has at will summoned 4 greater daemons like it was nothing and killed Erda.
Kor with a bit of time was able to store about enough warp juice to paralyze a primarch and could have easily killed him if he didn't try to turn him instead.
It's now been like 1200 years since and Kor and Erebus are still sane (relatively speaking) well Kharn is just a crazy man now who's died multiple times since.
Man I love your short yet informative videos. Happy to have found this channel thanks to lorecrimes
Thinking of the old man sqeaking about in modified terminator armor....yelling "boy!" At lorgar as he rushed to protect his sons being slaughtered by Corvus...then saved from the killing blow by The night haunter.
Kor did have balls tho, walking around missing a heart from Bobby G punching him...he survived to establish a safe haven in the eye. Sor telron was melted and in hell and lorgar brought him back...then became a dreadnought the warmonger. Badass. Lorgar had some balls to but his ego got too big. I love betrayer tho....buddy cop with angron in the shadow crusade.
Awesome video! I'm still newish to the hobby and didn't really understand what his role was in everything. Any chance of doing a video on Zahariel? He's been my favorite character since I started reading the Horus Heresey. Just starting on Fallen Angels and I'm so excited to have Zahariel as a main character again! I hope he gets to reunite with The Lion!
Phaeron was the real root of the HH, even before erebus. He corrupted logar, making him dependant on faith to live, even at the cost of worshipping the ruinous powers.
The only thing that I like about kor phaeron is his terminator armor it looks cool the terminus consolaris i think it's called but correct me if I'm wrong
I know squat about WH40 from my table top days so I find your stories incredibly entertaining. The voice you use is just perfect.
I have been learning so much about this universe thanks to your channel!!
Thank you for your dedication to your work!!
Much appreciated!!
The only guy worse than Erebus, Lorgar should’ve pulped Kor Phaeron when he had the chance.
You know what, Kor Phaeron might in fact be a worse dad than the Emperor...
Random question! Who the heck is Lohoc or the Red Whisper!?! Super interesting character that hope is fleshed out.
DAMN him and Erebus. Now and forever
Well said, especially the closing words!
I would say the Dark Angels were the far more deadly legion to traitors plans than the Ultramarines.
Huh, ...Erebus still sucks more. But, this douce is a close second 🤔
Kor is a lot wiser then most give him credit for.
Nice content
Important to remember that
the 13th was present with BigE
at Harmonia, Guilliman and all UM eagerly annihilated the planet and enslaved the population...
Also...'pursuit of purpose ' is
meaningless w/o physical resources And spiritual foundation. So, ', honeyed words ' or not, WB DA methodology does indeed provide for sustainability of civilization and cultivaton of spiritual nourishment.
Sigma Kor vs Virgin Gulliman
Have to grudgingly respect the dude. He was older, and never able to obtain full astartes ascension, yet he more than made up for it.
False: as all other Traitor Legions, the Word Bearers were basically annihilated and split in warbands competing for survival. They divided in sects led by various Dark Apostles and Cardinals, much likely excommunicating each other in the process. With Lorgar nowhere to be found, hiding with a good reason. Two reasons, more precisely. One is Guilliman, who swore to gut him like a fish, and almost succeded on Nuceria. The other is Corax, who's actively stalking him in the Eye of Terror to settle the score with the events of Istvaan V. I'd say that Lorgar's days are clearly numbered.
A reminder on how much a prick Kor is, Kor was attacked by assassins only for Logar to save him. After Logar saved him, Kor punished Logar with a beating
Am I the only one who hopped, while reading the First Heretic, that Argel Tal punches/kills/gelds this False Astartes? Or Erebus? Or both?
Khor Phareon and Erebus, the most hateble characters in 40k
The single greatest criminal in the history of humanity after Empanada himself
Fun fact: Rule34 has neither hard not soft Kor Phaeron content.
He is not wrong, Emperor wants to befriended not to be worshiped.
Ah yes, the *second* most wretched human in the Warhammer 40,000 universe.
Quite the elucidation Brother Remembrancer. Brilliant as always.
Que buen video, saludos desde Perukistan
Smurfs are poster loyalist, as Word Bearers are poster chaos
You spoke the facts!
Following the events of Calth, I've always considered The Word Bearers as the primary chaotic rivals of the Ultramarines.
I know the Black Legion usually fits that role as the vanilla chaos legion but I think that the Word Bearers fit much better.
I really like the moral lesson at the end
Playing the Long Game
The Dark Cardinal. Like the quote from that blade of erebus short story. I liked the witch in that story.
Everyone wonders what happened to the 2nd and 11th Primarchs. Probably, for at least one of them, he just landed on a super-chill planet where he was raised by decent middle class parents and was in the middle of a communications degree when the Emperor showed up. He then bailed on the meeting and is still backpacking around the galaxy.
Lovely
Love Logar hate kor and eribus
“20 Primarchs.”
I’m curious, Mr. Remembrancer, do you not subscribe to the idea of there being 21 or 22 Primarchs in total? I’ve seen talk of Omegon and The Angel being considered part of the total number, and am quite curious of your stance on that :)
I never liked the idea of the Angel, but considering how hard it must have been to get Sang’s wings to function perfectly without relying on standard avian anatomy, I can see a trial run in the Angel. Imo he was a proto-Custodes who was driven mad by his augmentations
@@aylix2137 the psy wars on Terra thinks the emp been trying for awhile at domination.
Valedor head of the Custodians could be considered a primarch. The emperor treated him as such, giving him special weapons that only other primarchs got to use.
7:20 - Our Blessed Lady... **bows**
And *F* Kor Phaeron and Erebus
In all seriousness people always talk about Erebus but people should really be hating kor alot more
Unrelated to warhammer, but what nationality is the narrator of this video/channel? I've been trying to place the accent since i first subscribed to the channel but i just can't figure it out. Any help would be much appreciated, cause it's driving me crazy being unable to place it.
He's British.
@@MrJordwalk what region then? Cause that doesn't sound anything like any english accent i've ever heard (for the record, not implying you're wrong because i don't recognize it, i'm just asking since i don't recognize it do you know which region that accent is from)
I approve this
This is best watched at .75 speed.
Could you make a video about the blood pact or Sons of sek?
Thanks!
Thank you for your support!
He's that one character in Every lore you love to hate.
Kor Phaeron did nothing wrong.
Idk about that my guy…
So you DONT HAVE to be young or even young ish for geneseed to take! You need rejuvenation treatments and bionic implants.
As i heard he wasn't that good as an astartes, he needed to get buffed by chaos in order to be equall to a marine
13:09-17:00 What are the names of the tracks that play in the background good sir?
Primarily music from Gothic Armada 2 and Dawn of War during that segment
Please do Erebus soon!
Ah yes the mule himself
Hello how are you
Slight point of order... the Astartes were made as a result of the loss of the primarchs.
Gosh my sister is so bad 😭😭😭
Juuuust theeee worst 😬
Damnation, pity and self hubris? Are we talking about woke twitter or 40K?
Hate this mf he mid af but thank u for another WB lore vid! 📖🔥💪