As a veteran, though after the Vietnam War, THANK YOU for including Hanoi Jane on your list! Too many have allowed her to rehab her image. She is & always will be a traitor.
Recent historical writings tell us that Brutus tried to stab Ceaser but due to Ceaser year of training as a solider he managed to counter the move, took a step back looked straight at Brutus and said "one v one me bro!", then the other senators stabbed him... true story
Many folks think the works attributed to Shakespeare were written by someone else. Others don't think he existed at all. Funny how such a famous quote may very well be a work of fiction written by a fraud.
Y'all should be taking it out on your govt who faked the whole trigger event - the vietnam war was bs war, intended predominantly to advance the military-industrial sector.
Same with Hitler. If he'd died in summer of 1939 before he invaded Poland he would have been the man who saved Germany from WW1 poverty. United all German speaking people into 1 nation, built 1st freeways, many other big accomplishments. But, at 5:30AM, Sept 1, 1939 it all went down hill. Like the commedians say,"Timing is everything."
During the assassination of Julius Caesar, he probably didn't say, "Et Tu, Brute?". A more accurate final quote to attribute to him would probably be "AGH-! *gurgle gurgle*", on account of having 23 knives in him at the time.
Andyson986 Well, I mean, I didn't say he DIDN'T say his final words in Greek, I just suggested the final word he spoke was the Greek, "AGH," loosely translated as "AGH," in English. As for only one wound being deadly, I didn't know that, but if I had the joke probably wouldn't have been as funny ;D
Captain Cynical It's possible. It probably would've added an additional layer of emotional despair, assuming Julius saw Brutus,, but then again, he might not have even registered; being stabbed to death by all of your closest allies might distract one from recognising individual faces.
Started quickly: as early as Fall 1940, the Times called it a gift to the English language that someone as vile as a high-ranking Nazi collaborator had a name as smarmy-sounding as "Quisling".
Jane fonda, who whilst wholly misguided, naive and moronically stupid did not actually kill anyone. Judas was a myth. So yes where were the Cabridge 5?
Stanford B. Dole should be included in that list. He supported the overthrow of the Hawaiian monarchy, and became the first US territorial governor of Hawai'i.
Probably, but he wasn't a part of the Hawaiian government, so he couldn't have been a traitor. Still, it was a crooked deal and none of the native Hawaiians wanted it. And it was a constitutional monarchy and I believe the queen was very popular.
It was actually Robert Catesby who led the conspiracy. William Catesby was the Attorney General for King Richard III. William was executed for treason in 1485 by King Henry VII (back them, being on the losing side of a civil war could be considered treason).
I’m a bit surprised that you left out the Greek traitor at Thermopylae. I cannot recall his name, but he revealed to Xerxes the pass by which the Persians were able to out flank the Spartans and some of their allies.
Once again we have to suffer from a thru a site authored by a person who had no actual experience of the event and who knows little about the culture at the time. Fonda was not the brightest person sometimes, but I believe she did what she did out of actual concern for the people and yes, the guys fighting on both sides. I speak as a Vietnam Vet who was there and I can tell you for sure, none of us gave a crap about what Jane Fonda was doing. We knew about it and it had no affect on us at all and I doubt it helped the VC or NVA. They didn't need any motivation. Most of us were kind of confused as to why she would do it and we realized she was being used by master propagandists far older and more experienced then she was. Most of the Fonda haters were not there and have never been in the service. If you would like to find treason as defined by someone doing damage to our country, try the government that fabricated the Gulf of Tonkin incident as an excuse to send in troops to escalate a war that had actually been going on for years. 57000 dead, over 300000 wounded, 10's of billions of dollars spent, international condemnation from most of our allies and most of the world. Not to count the who knows how many Vietnamese. If that isn't treason, please explain what is. And for all you Democrat haters, the war was started by Eisenhower and John Foster Dulles, Kennedy just inherited it.
Dan, with respect, if you don't want to "suffer" go elsewhere. I'm a Vietnam Vet, with two tours, and do care about what Hanoi Jane did. You tell me if it fits your definition of treason. When visiting a North Vietnamese American POW camp, one of the American POWs, a Naval Aviator, passed Jane a list of the names of the prisoners being held at the camp. The idea was to ensure that US authorities knew who was being held. Jane took the paper from the officer prisoner and turned it over to the Camp Commander. After she departed, the POW was tortured and beaten. That story was told to me by one of the prisoners being held with whom I served after the war. I guess not all of us are so forgiving of treason.
@@jds6206 HE HATES SOMEONE WHO WANTED HIM AND THOUSANDS NOT TO DIE FOR NOTHING , THE GOVERNMENT LIED AND ALL THOSE BOYS DIED , JANE KNEW IT AND TRIED TO STOP IT
@@wenesdae She didn't try to stop a thing, she wanted notoriety , she loves the spotlight.If she cared for peace she would have done something to help the war orphans--she did not
He was a much more effective spy than the Rosenbergs. He also got away; however, I don't think the Los Alamos spies provided the Soviets with much they didn't already know.
So does the Walker family. John Walker the US Navy communication specialist was selling secrets to the USSR for 17 years. Even got his own son involved in his traitorous acts.
I remember her doing what she did. My dad ex military with my cousins fighting in Vietnam. Some not making it home. She's a nasty piece of work. She has no excuse what she did was horrible. Hollywood and rich she got away with war crimes. Yes causing death and torture to our soldiers is exactly that
Well she made an ill advised trip to a country we were not at war with - she didn't give away any secrets. What people forget there was a huge anti war movement in the Army at that time. No one wanted to be in Viet Nam. The real traitors who helped continue the war after it was obvious futile.
I would have included Coco Chanel. She collaborated with the nazis during the 2nd World War in order to maintain her business and continue living in the Ritz which had become the Nazi base. She was arrested by the resistance after the war but used her friendship with Churchill to not only be freed but have her files destroyed. She leveraged Churchill by threatening to expose English aristocrats that had aligned with Hitler. After the war she paid considerable sums of money to two nazis for life who had retired in Switzerland to exclude her from their autobiographies and any writings pertaining to the period. She was a know antisemite and with her money and power could have considerably helped the French resistance. History has cleaned her up since but all this info can be found.
And it turns out, she was right. It’s always hard to face war crimes and atrocities committed by your own side; it takes courage to do so. The reason she was vilified was for war propaganda purposes; a convenient focus to distract from the atrocities of the civilian bombing raids.
@@bartwilson2513 it’s not that she wasn’t right about the war, she was wrong about the treatment of POWs and portraying their captors as benevolent keepers.
@@bartwilson2513 she was vilified because she used her French husband’s passport to get to North Vietnam and because as the North Vietnamese had her tour Hanoi Hilton a few of the P.O.W.s slipped her lists of the names of P.O.W.s, which she turned over to the North Vietnamese and pointed out which prisoners slipped her the lists. Those prisoners were brutally treated even by the standards of a brutal prison camp.
While it is possible that Jane Fonda's actions made things worse for some P.O.W's, in 1969 52% of Americans were against the pointless Vietnam war. So calling her one of the 10 worst historical traitors seems a bit of a reach when she was part of the majority opinion of the country.
It isn't a reach. To oppose the war means to support withdrawal... not tormenting your fellow countrymen by making them seem like liars saying they weren't being treated well. You think they were treated well? Jane says "yes."
There's a difference between opposing a a pointless war like Vietnam then going to stand on the "enemies" AA guns and speaking out against the war. Even though it was a pointless war you still don't go to the "enemies" and say I sympathize with them. That would be like a celebrity right after 9/11 saying I sympathize with Osama bin laden.
@@bamacopeland4372 - I would disagree with that comparison. The Vietnamese people were not bombing America. Conscripting over 2 million young, mostly poor men to go fight in a third-world country on the other side of the globe was madness. But I appreciate how you put "enemies" in quotation marks, because that is my point; they were only enemies because politicians said so, and not because they were actually any real threat to someone just trying to live their lives in Kansas or Arizona. Google any quote by Muhammad Ali about the Vietnam War and why he wouldn't fight. He was treated a lot worse by his fellow Americans than he ever was by anyone in Vietnam and he summed it up perfectly. Cheers.
The phrase “et this Brute” was an invention of William Shakespeare’s. It is widely accepted by historians that this is not a phrase he would have been able to say.
Never Met your Father. Tell Him I Love Him and Respect and Honor His Sacrifice for this Nation. I served with Vietnam Veterans yet I did not and let me repeat " I DID NOT SERVE IN VIETNAM " ( I LOATHE STOLEN VALOR ). I served in the Early 1980's and there were still MANY Men and Women that Served in Nam. My Father was in a Special Forces Unit that Guarded ( At that time ) The 2nd most Secure Base in the World only 2nd to what is known as Area 51. The Reason it was so Too Secret is that the US had switched from Atomic and Hydrogen Bombs to ICBM and other types of missiles to deliver Nuclear devices. Well where my Dad was stationed was where they Kept All of those Bombs. He Served there during the Vietnam war and was to be given a Vietnam Campaign Ribbon and Medal to which My Father replied " Why would you give me this ? I have NEVER left the United States, and Will Not take it if offered and if it is Given I shall NEVER Wear it because it would not only Be offensive to each and every one of the Men and Women who did serve, But To me as well knowing I was never there " May your Father and those like Him Live Long.
But he could be a fictional character to personalize the act. But there were other greeks on the side of Persians. They could have known the secret passage.
You should check into Sgt Robert Johnson who was a KGB spy. He was active in the early and middle 60's. He particularly different death. Hope you do another series and add him. He was stationed at the pentagon when he was found out.
The men gave Fonda pieces of paper with their names on it in hopes she would let the Americans know who was there, instead she turned the peices of paper over to the enemy
And because of her passing this piece of crumpled paper to the officers the group of prisoners, that was assembled in front of her, suffered very much and one has died from hardship! A truly despicable woman....
That's actually a really good one. You can't commit treason without knowing it, and he definitely did that. Even if his values were "good" by our standards, the people around him probably thought he was evil.
What would she be prosecuted for? Please, tell us....? The Vietnam "war"... wasn't an official. So, how was she being "treasonous"? You might want to educate yourself to what is actual treason and why the Vietnam "war" wasn't an actual war.
@@gelatinskeleton8745Haha, the least educated always use phrases like 'educate yourself'. You don't have to be at war to be tried for treason, genius. You realize we weren't at war with the Soviets when the Rosenbergs were convicted of treason? Nor were we at war when Hanssen got locked up. Treason is defined by betrayal of country, and it does not require a declaration of war. Seriously, stop making things up, then spreading them like they were true.
TooTall Tim shouldn’t we have prosecuted the people that got us into that war on very sketchy reasons? Not to mention lied to the public which resulted in the death of GI’s.
My number one traitor is John Walker aka Johnnie Walker Red, (red being his fondness for his favorite scotch whisky i.e. Johonnie Walker red label) look him up.
My father was. In the USAF and we were in England in the early ‘60’s. I remember going to a Guy Fawkes day bonfire, although I didn’t know what it was about as I was about six.
Julius Caesar wasn't self appointed dictator, the position of dictator could only be given out e the senate. The senate then kept extending his powers until appointing him dictator for life. There may have been significant pressure from the Julii clan to do this but Caesar never appointed himself that position. He was well aware of the power of the people (and the mob) having used it quote deftly during his political career. He knew that perception were much important to the mob than the actual truth so he used the senate to grant him all the powers he wanted to make it look more legit
I come from Little Falls,New York, The City of Fonda is nearby. After Hanoi Jane's trip to NVN, several people had bumper stickers that said "I'm not Fonda of Jane."Some wanted to change the city's name, but too many people wanted to keep it the same. Henry Fonda was the reason.
It's a shame people are roping in Henry (and Peter) Fonda with Jane's betrayal of American soldiers. I wonder if these are the same people who blame all white people for the actions of a few, particularly slavery, but then say you can't blame islam, and all moslems, for the atrocities committed by a minority.
@@tesmith47 Whoa! My family came to the US in the latter part of the 20th century and became US citizens in 1966. So, NO, NOT ALL WHITE PEOPLE ARE TO BLAME FOR EVERYTHING. The descendants of former slave owners who are alive today are not to blame for the atrocities of slavery or Jim Crow or whatever. In today's times, take responsibility for your life choices and decisions. Heck with all this blaming nowadays.
@@ewaleokadia76 I understand, but this economic system which is dominated by, and run for the benifit of white people by robbing Black folks of the wealthy their labor generates IS RESPONSIBLE the conditions here; and those were the reasons white folks, including your relatives come here
@@tesmith47 Actually, nowadays everybody can make something of themselves if he or she wants to. Yes, during slavery there were many blacks exploited and many white folks benefitted. Even after slavery ended, injustices towards blacks did not go away. However, even during the late nineteenth and early part of the twentieth centuries white Catholics were shown contempt and workers were exploited as well. Exploitation and prejudice happened regardless of the color of one's skin. There is a lot to be said on this subject requiring a lengthy ten page essay and single spaced. My hardworking relatives and others I know came not to take advantage of America but to build a life and pay their taxes and dues. They were never on welfare but were given opportunities that they couldn't in Poland at a time when Nazism first took over and then communism. Capitalism, faulty as it may be, allows people to fulfill their dreams whether buying a home, opening a business, or whatever. During communism, there wasn't much of anything in stores and people, for decades, had ration coupons to buy much needed essentials. Yes, essentials, and not luxuries. I have gone to Poland many times as a child and saw this with my own eyes. People had to be discreet when talking about politics because if one said something detrimental about the government, there were spies to report that person. Yes, some were in one's own home. Unfortunately, many Americans who are here for generations in America whether white, black, or other, sometimes do not appreciate the freedoms we have here. We are more fortunate than many countries and yet many people's eyes are closed to the truth. No matter what our tragic history is, and yes including exploitation of others, give me the name of one country where everyone was or is perfect. No nation, people, or country exists that does not have a black mark against it. So, imperfect as America was, is, and will be I will stand up for her.
No, she didn't get people killed. And she at least knows Russia is out to take back Eastern Europe, which Trump seems not to care about. Trump is going to hand Putin victory in the Cold War, and the so-called "Patriots" love him.
Jane Fonda had nothing but love for the unfortunate American soldiers sent by their corrupt government to fight an unnecessary unwinnable war. Yes she was manipulated by the North Vietnamese, but she definitely was an American patriot, trying to save lives.
Too bad you live in such a small world. You should find ways to move on from Jane Fonda; she doesn't give a damn about you or your silly grudge you seem to be carrying.
Hmm, No. 8; Jane Fonda, No. 5.; The Rosenbergs, No. 4.; Benedict Arnold, wow, if you aren't careful, people will say you are an American Republican. With Judas as No. 1; they will say you are an Evangelical Christian Republican.
Guy Fawkes was almost a non entity in the Gunpowder Plot, he was just the first caught. Caesar didn’t say "Et tu Brute" until Shakespeare put the words there. No one knows for any certainty what he said as he was stabbed, it was probably "S&*t that stings!" As he always referred to Brutus as "Child" it in all probability referred to that name if he was talking to Brutus.
It wasn't Jane Fonda that turned the public against the military in Vietnam, it was because it was perhaps the first ever war that was so televised and in people's living room every night. (The same thing happened when people first saw front line daugerotypes from the Civil War and they saw for the first time - war was not marching band glory, but dead stinking broken, mangled, and bloated corpses rotting on a battlefield). Things like Hamburger Hill, the Mai Lai Massacre, and the Kent State Shootings and hundreds of other things. The Green Machine has only itself to blame for the public sentiment against it... not Jane Fonda being ditzy on an anti aircraft gun. In later wars like Iraq and Afghanistan, the US military highly censored the access journalists got to war zones by riding along with them, and that censored a lot of the bad things we were able to see going on in those wars. A lot still came out by independent journalists getting in anyway, that they were not able to hide like they could from the chickenshit journalists from the big networks who were more likely to parrot the party line.
"Judas dies shortly after." Well ---. According to Matthew 27:3-5 "Then when Judas, who had betrayed Him, saw that He had been condemned, he felt remorse and returned the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders, saying, “I have sinned by betraying innocent blood.” But they said, “What is that to us? See to that yourself!” And he threw the pieces of silver into the temple sanctuary and departed; and he went away and hanged himself."
You totally sidestepped Fonda's worst traitorous act. From COL. DAVID HUNT, AUTHOR, "THEY JUST DON'T GET IT": "What she did not apologize for and why she will probably rot in hell is this. She visited the Hanoi Hilton. She visited POWs who had been tortured for years. While she was meeting the POWs, they passed her notes, secret notes. At the end of the line, she gave those notes to the prisoners (my interjection, he meant "jailers"). That's the problem we have with her."
@@johnsaunders2109 Most historians don't. Maybe people who read Shakespeare as being historically accurate maybe. Caesar would have only been 15 or 16 when Brutus was born
@@swiftsurerunner well ? This is a society where sex started young ! And what makes you think I believe it i dont, but many do ! According to Suetonius( admittedly, hardly reliaable) Caesars last words to Brutus was " you too child", which fuelled speculation Caesar was the father of Brutus . It has nothing to do with Shakespeare!
Looking from across the "pond". It appears your country is well managed, unlike those idiots in Washington DC. Be carful what you wish for you just might get it. It might not be everything it is cracked up to be. Sometimes you have to put up with what you have because the alternative is worse.
Simon, Simon, Simon. For shame. Although Jane acted as an anti Vietnam war activist she was never found to be guilty of any form of treason as is defined by law. Yes, people felt betrayed by the action you mentioned, but, however despicable, it was NOT TREASON! So I urge you to correct this.
how is jane fonda one of the worst traitors... I dont like what she did, but she has not been convicted of treason and while performing propaganda for the enemy could be considered treason.. but for her to be chosen over someone like philby or matahari is just silly
That was a very facile analysis of Jane Fonda's actions. There are people that would consider Kissinger the traitor during those years. She was a fool but he definitely got more Americans killed than she did. America needs to do more to get the history of that war straight. Right now American understanding of that war is very muddled.
never mind that you missed a lot of other traitors thats probably a lot more top tenz . BUT why put judas in ? .if you are doing mythology ok but dont mix them up .
Any easy open source search will show that Jane Fonda did not dismiss POW concerns. This video is so flawed, and is based on Internet myths. Really shameful.
As a veteran, though after the Vietnam War, THANK YOU for including Hanoi Jane on your list! Too many have allowed her to rehab her image. She is & always will be a traitor.
The suffering she caused to our patriots is unforgivable.
I hate what the hippies did to you guys
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Historical footage shows that she clearly enjoyed riding on the North Vietnamese anti-aircraft gun!
@@LoudaroundLincoln if you find humor in this, then you really are a p.o.s....pathetic
Guy Fawkes the last person to enter parliament with honest intentions
I see what you did there :D
You got that off Facebook.
A fine Yorkshireman.
Guy fawkes the hero the legend
@@rforrevoloution7745 Did the word "F&*k You "come from..."Fawk you ..Dude!!!" from the past after this guy was caught?
There's no proof Julius Ceaser ever said "Et tu Brute" That was a quote from a William Shakespeare Play.
Really! Thanks for the information.
Recent historical writings tell us that Brutus tried to stab Ceaser but due to Ceaser year of training as a solider he managed to counter the move, took a step back looked straight at Brutus and said "one v one me bro!", then the other senators stabbed him... true story
Several men stabbed him..
Jane Fonda is awsome hahahahahhahahahahhaa
Many folks think the works attributed to Shakespeare were written by someone else. Others don't think he existed at all. Funny how such a famous quote may very well be a work of fiction written by a fraud.
I'm both surprised and elated to see someone actually had the cojones to put Hanoi Jane on this list!
I would love to spend some time alone with her
Icon for the traitorous left.
Y'all should be taking it out on your govt who faked the whole trigger event - the vietnam war was bs war, intended predominantly to advance the military-industrial sector.
I am so disgusted hearing young people tell me "Oh Grandma..let it go.." like hell I will..She is a traitor.
jane was brave enough to vocally protest that terrible war.
If Benedict Arnold had been killed at Saratoga he would be remembered today as a great hero and martyr of the Revolution.
Very funny
How you are thought of depends upon where you die.
Same with Hitler. If he'd died in summer of 1939 before he invaded Poland he would have been the man who saved Germany from WW1 poverty. United all German speaking people into 1 nation, built 1st freeways, many other big accomplishments. But, at 5:30AM, Sept 1, 1939 it all went down hill. Like the commedians say,"Timing is everything."
Well, yes, because he wouldn't have gotten around to committing treason.
If my aunt had balls she’d be my uncle numb nuts.
During the assassination of Julius Caesar, he probably didn't say, "Et Tu, Brute?". A more accurate final quote to attribute to him would probably be "AGH-! *gurgle gurgle*", on account of having 23 knives in him at the time.
Actually, he probably said his last words in Greek. And only one wound was deadly.
Andyson986 Well, I mean, I didn't say he DIDN'T say his final words in Greek, I just suggested the final word he spoke was the Greek, "AGH," loosely translated as "AGH," in English.
As for only one wound being deadly, I didn't know that, but if I had the joke probably wouldn't have been as funny ;D
Erudito otidurE even if he didn't say that he probably gave up when he saw him, since Brutus was taken under his wing
Captain Cynical It's possible. It probably would've added an additional layer of emotional despair, assuming Julius saw Brutus,, but then again, he might not have even registered; being stabbed to death by all of your closest allies might distract one from recognising individual faces.
Well, that took time. Most ancient sources record him as having said, in Greek, "What's this? Violence against Caesar?"
After 1940, Quisling became a word in the Norwegian dictionary synonymous with traitor.
krum1985 Like the name Judas.
I am 71 and I remember people using the word ....."you quisling little asso". Used often in my circles 1950/ 2021 and still using it.
Same here, I'm from Austria.
Started quickly: as early as Fall 1940, the Times called it a gift to the English language that someone as vile as a high-ranking Nazi collaborator had a name as smarmy-sounding as "Quisling".
His name often shows up in lists of names that became household words, such as hoover (in the UK)
The Cambridge Five should have made the list.
Yeah, wtf, why aren’t they on here?
Who are they?
@@patricknewlun7928 Kim Philby, et al.
Jane fonda, who whilst wholly misguided, naive and moronically stupid did not actually kill anyone. Judas was a myth. So yes where were the Cabridge 5?
@@alansimmons9621 Kim Philby, Guy Burgess, Donald Maclean, Anthony Blunt, John Caircross. Hopefully all burning in Hell.
Stanford B. Dole should be included in that list. He supported the overthrow of the Hawaiian monarchy, and became the first US territorial governor of Hawai'i.
Facts
Probably, but he wasn't a part of the Hawaiian government, so he couldn't have been a traitor. Still, it was a crooked deal and none of the native Hawaiians wanted it. And it was a constitutional monarchy and I believe the queen was very popular.
@@paulmicheldenverco1 Stanford B. Dole was the Supreme Court chief justice,in 1887 and a member of Lili‘uokalani‘s privy council.
@Nehemiah Scudder Don't have to be part of the government. To be a traitor.
Are they still selling the Jane Fonda urinal odor cakes?
Add John Kerry to the selection.
How can you talk about the gun powder plot without naming William Catesby, he was the founding conspiritor.
Cuz I’ve never celebrated “William Catesby” day
It was actually Robert Catesby who led the conspiracy. William Catesby was the Attorney General for King Richard III. William was executed for treason in 1485 by King Henry VII (back them, being on the losing side of a civil war could be considered treason).
I’m a bit surprised that you left out the Greek traitor at Thermopylae. I cannot recall his name, but he revealed to Xerxes the pass by which the Persians were able to out flank the Spartans and some of their allies.
Ephialtes of Trachis
I onew who it was, just couldn't spell it!
Once again we have to suffer from a thru a site authored by a person who had no actual experience of the event and who knows little about the culture at the time. Fonda was not the brightest person sometimes, but I believe she did what she did out of actual concern for the people and yes, the guys fighting on both sides. I speak as a Vietnam Vet who was there and I can tell you for sure, none of us gave a crap about what Jane Fonda was doing. We knew about it and it had no affect on us at all and I doubt it helped the VC or NVA. They didn't need any motivation. Most of us were kind of confused as to why she would do it and we realized she was being used by master propagandists far older and more experienced then she was. Most of the Fonda haters were not there and have never been in the service. If you would like to find treason as defined by someone doing damage to our country, try the government that fabricated the Gulf of Tonkin incident as an excuse to send in troops to escalate a war that had actually been going on for years. 57000 dead, over 300000 wounded, 10's of billions of dollars spent, international condemnation from most of our allies and most of the world. Not to count the who knows how many Vietnamese. If that isn't treason, please explain what is. And for all you Democrat haters, the war was started by Eisenhower and John Foster Dulles, Kennedy just inherited it.
Unless Simon Whistler is a time traveller, Dr Who or 2000+ years old, he's not likely to have lived through Caeser's death
Very well put I hope you speak this at the lpcalVFW
Dan, with respect, if you don't want to "suffer" go elsewhere.
I'm a Vietnam Vet, with two tours, and do care about what Hanoi Jane did. You tell me if it fits your definition of treason. When visiting a North Vietnamese American POW camp, one of the American POWs, a Naval Aviator, passed Jane a list of the names of the prisoners being held at the camp. The idea was to ensure that US authorities knew who was being held. Jane took the paper from the officer prisoner and turned it over to the Camp Commander. After she departed, the POW was tortured and beaten. That story was told to me by one of the prisoners being held with whom I served after the war. I guess not all of us are so forgiving of treason.
My dad still hates Hanoi Jane to this day. He was a Vietnam veteran
Correction: If your father still hates "Hanoi Jane" to this day, he still IS a Vietnam veteran. Seem reasonable? Of course it does...
@@jds6206 HE HATES SOMEONE WHO WANTED HIM AND THOUSANDS NOT TO DIE FOR NOTHING , THE GOVERNMENT LIED AND ALL THOSE BOYS DIED , JANE KNEW IT AND TRIED TO STOP IT
@@wenesdae She didn't try to stop a thing, she wanted notoriety , she loves the spotlight.If she cared for peace she would have done something to help the war orphans--she did not
@@juliamahler415 false thinking
Your dad needs to move on.
I do not believe for one second that Jane regrets her action. That is a load of crap!!
@@wh8378 How do you feel about the Mai Lai massacre and the 1966 incident on Hill 192?
I miss Klaus Fuchs, a nuclear scientist, who revealed the technology of the atom bomb to the Soviets.
He was a much more effective spy than the Rosenbergs. He also got away; however, I don't think the Los Alamos spies provided the Soviets with much they didn't already know.
Fuchs was of German origin and was a communist party member before he left Nazi Germany. Hence he was not a true bred traitor as such like Kim Philby.
When his interorgators asked Ames who the other mole was,he said he didn't know,but guessed Hansen. When they asked why,he said"birds of a feather".
When someone is executed, they are "hanged" not "hung"
Exactly.
Curtains are hung. People are hanged.
A lot of these so-called traitors depends on ones point of view. One persons traitor is another persons patriot.
You can be a traitor and a patriot. The American Patriots were also traitors to the crown..
Tmi
Traitor or patriot...in the end one does only what one either believes in or accepts.
Kim Philby easily belongs on this list.
So does the Walker family. John Walker the US Navy communication specialist was selling secrets to the USSR for 17 years. Even got his own son involved in his traitorous acts.
@@Mix4858 What about Richard Sorge?
@@fredlougee2807 Definitely. He was instrumental in killing his own countrymen at the gates of Moscow.
I remember her doing what she did. My dad ex military with my cousins fighting in Vietnam. Some not making it home. She's a nasty piece of work. She has no excuse what she did was horrible. Hollywood and rich she got away with war crimes. Yes causing death and torture to our soldiers is exactly that
Why is Jane still allowed in this country!!!!!!!
Well she made an ill advised trip to a country we were not at war with - she didn't give away any secrets. What people forget there was a huge anti war movement in the Army at that time. No one wanted to be in Viet Nam. The real traitors who helped continue the war after it was obvious futile.
They should've just not let her back
because she's an american who exercised her freedom of protest.
I would have included Coco Chanel. She collaborated with the nazis during the 2nd World War in order to maintain her business and continue living in the Ritz which had become the Nazi base. She was arrested by the resistance after the war but used her friendship with Churchill to not only be freed but have her files destroyed. She leveraged Churchill by threatening to expose English aristocrats that had aligned with Hitler. After the war she paid considerable sums of money to two nazis for life who had retired in Switzerland to exclude her from their autobiographies and any writings pertaining to the period. She was a know antisemite and with her money and power could have considerably helped the French resistance. History has cleaned her up since but all this info can be found.
My dad still to this day absolutely loathes jane fonda!
May she rot in hell..
And it turns out, she was right. It’s always hard to face war crimes and atrocities committed by your own side; it takes courage to do so. The reason she was vilified was for war propaganda purposes; a convenient focus to distract from the atrocities of the civilian bombing raids.
He’s not the only one.
@@bartwilson2513 it’s not that she wasn’t right about the war, she was wrong about the treatment of POWs and portraying their captors as benevolent keepers.
@@bartwilson2513 she was vilified because she used her French husband’s passport to get to North Vietnam and because as the North Vietnamese had her tour Hanoi Hilton a few of the P.O.W.s slipped her lists of the names of P.O.W.s, which she turned over to the North Vietnamese and pointed out which prisoners slipped her the lists. Those prisoners were brutally treated even by the standards of a brutal prison camp.
While it is possible that Jane Fonda's actions made things worse for some P.O.W's, in 1969 52% of Americans were against the pointless Vietnam war. So calling her one of the 10 worst historical traitors seems a bit of a reach when she was part of the majority opinion of the country.
It isn't a reach. To oppose the war means to support withdrawal... not tormenting your fellow countrymen by making them seem like liars saying they weren't being treated well. You think they were treated well? Jane says "yes."
There's a difference between opposing a a pointless war like Vietnam then going to stand on the "enemies" AA guns and speaking out against the war. Even though it was a pointless war you still don't go to the "enemies" and say I sympathize with them. That would be like a celebrity right after 9/11 saying I sympathize with Osama bin laden.
@@bamacopeland4372 - I would disagree with that comparison. The Vietnamese people were not bombing America.
Conscripting over 2 million young, mostly poor men to go fight in a third-world country on the other side of the globe was madness.
But I appreciate how you put "enemies" in quotation marks, because that is my point; they were only enemies because politicians said so, and not because they were actually any real threat to someone just trying to live their lives in Kansas or Arizona.
Google any quote by Muhammad Ali about the Vietnam War and why he wouldn't fight. He was treated a lot worse by his fellow Americans than he ever was by anyone in Vietnam and he summed it up perfectly.
Cheers.
What, no mention of Kim Philby?
The phrase “et this Brute” was an invention of William Shakespeare’s. It is widely accepted by historians that this is not a phrase he would have been able to say.
Doesn't Suetonius record thar?
Benedict didn't received credit for Saratoga like he should have.
True, but it didn't justify his treachery.
Jane Fonda should have stayed in Vietnam
Its time to move on from a 50 year old picture.
@@andrew4437 There is no statute of limitations for treason.
@@taun856 What treason did she commit? She had her picture taken.
@@andrew4437 You need to do some research. To much to put here.
I can’t mention Jane Fonda’s name in front of my dad. Which I agree why.
Never Met your Father.
Tell Him I Love Him and Respect and Honor His Sacrifice for this Nation.
I served with Vietnam Veterans yet I did not and let me repeat
" I DID NOT SERVE IN VIETNAM " ( I LOATHE STOLEN VALOR ).
I served in the Early 1980's and there were still MANY Men and Women that Served in Nam.
My Father was in a Special Forces Unit that Guarded ( At that time ) The 2nd most Secure Base in the World only 2nd to what is known as Area 51.
The Reason it was so Too Secret is that the US had switched from Atomic and Hydrogen Bombs to ICBM and other types of missiles to deliver Nuclear devices. Well where my Dad was stationed was where they Kept All of those Bombs.
He Served there during the Vietnam war and was to be given a Vietnam Campaign Ribbon and Medal to which My Father replied
" Why would you give me this ? I have NEVER left the United States, and Will Not take it if offered and if it is Given I shall NEVER Wear it because it would not only Be offensive to each and every one of the Men and Women who did serve, But To me as well knowing I was never there "
May your Father and those like Him Live Long.
I thought her name was Hanoi Jane before I learned her actual name.
what about Efialtes in Thermopylae ?(who betrayed the 300 Spartans to Persians)
Orestis Matsoukas : only 10
But he could be a fictional character to personalize the act. But there were other greeks on the side of Persians. They could have known the secret passage.
You have to be a part of a group to be a traitor to it - otherwise you're just an opponent or spy.
You should check into Sgt Robert Johnson who was a KGB spy. He was active in the early and middle 60's. He particularly different death. Hope you do another series and add him. He was stationed at the pentagon when he was found out.
A bot using Google could have created this list.
Still too strong a word.
Jane Fonda number 8? That's funny, she'll always be "number 2" in my book.
She would give Victor quisling a run for his money
All the way!
I hadn't heard she stated any regrets, but the fact that she got by makes her number one in my mind, mainly by virtue of being the first in my life.
After who?
No 1 in mine
The men gave Fonda pieces of paper with their names on it in hopes she would let the Americans know who was there, instead she turned the peices of paper over to the enemy
And because of her passing this piece of crumpled paper to the officers the group of prisoners, that was assembled in front of her, suffered very much and one has died from hardship! A truly despicable woman....
Where is Kim Philby?
Have you noticed the Nationality of most?, and the politics?, Jane Fonda may have been a bit of an idiot but a top ten traitor?, not in this universe.
You forgot Claus von Stauffenberg. The notorious German hero who almost managed to kill Hitler.
And Erwin Rommel.
The key word here is "worst".
If claus had succeeded ww2 might have ended with alot less bloodshed, and he's certainly not reviled.
Yeah I guess Claus would be one of the "best" traitors. Although he did fail, which was a pity.
That's actually a really good one. You can't commit treason without knowing it, and he definitely did that. Even if his values were "good" by our standards, the people around him probably thought he was evil.
Actually the British had a plan to kill hitler but they discarded it because he was such a terrible strategist.
I really like your videos Simon, i find them both informative and entertaining. Keep up the good work!
Fonda, the only one that got away with it.
In the USA there is no statute of limitations on treason. hanoi jane can still be prosecuted.
JAne is an American hero.
Mickey Valois yeah...in that “Rosenbergs” kind of way
What would she be prosecuted for? Please, tell us....? The Vietnam "war"... wasn't an official. So, how was she being "treasonous"? You might want to educate yourself to what is actual treason and why the Vietnam "war" wasn't an actual war.
@@gelatinskeleton8745Haha, the least educated always use phrases like 'educate yourself'. You don't have to be at war to be tried for treason, genius. You realize we weren't at war with the Soviets when the Rosenbergs were convicted of treason? Nor were we at war when Hanssen got locked up. Treason is defined by betrayal of country, and it does not require a declaration of war. Seriously, stop making things up, then spreading them like they were true.
TooTall Tim shouldn’t we have prosecuted the people that got us into that war on very sketchy reasons? Not to mention lied to the public which resulted in the death of GI’s.
Judas did not simply die afterwards as you state- he hanged himself out of remorse.
You can't prove that, can you.
That's of course, if you believe in fantasy tales.
D.B Cooper where's that statistic located?
or he jumped off a cliff, an example of biblical infallibility.
because most people aren't catholic in the US.
Bon fire night is celebrated in the whole of the UK not just England!!!
Lord Haw Haw
Not a traitor. Enemy Irishman.
Remember remember the 5th of November
As far as historians know, "et tu Brute?" is an entirely invented statement that Shakespeare originated.
My number one traitor is John Walker aka Johnnie Walker Red, (red being his fondness for his favorite scotch whisky i.e. Johonnie Walker red label) look him up.
Walker is responsible for the Pueblo and the Scorpion
Who
@Ronald Black No Walker? No Philby? Yes, this was an under-researched video.
Philby, Burgess, and Maclean
Agreed. I'm surprised they weren't mentioned.
Add Anthony Blunt and John Cairncross and you have the traitorous Cambridge Five...
J. Edgar Hoover suspected Philby and Maclean of being spies for the Soviets but no one believed his suspicions.
You forgot Snowden.
Why the hell would you include a fictional villain, especially at #1? My belief in your intelligence is lessened by your apparent belief in a myth.
As opposed to " non historical traitors". When an American corrects the grammar of a Brit, its the end times
lol!
But of course old chap, after all we did invent the language. lol
@@daveharbour5418 haha lol, nice try. The Anglos and Saxons are bastardized forms of P.I.E. i.e. Sanskrit
@@daveharbour5418 China invented English don't you know this.
I was a kid during the Vietnam war, but will never forgive or forget Hanoi Jane.
What about Kim Philby
One of the biggest double agent in the history of the cold war
There's a fantastic Rory Gallagher song about him.
Oh shush, he was one of the Great British Establishment! And he was a public schoolboy!!
I agree he should be on this list as well.
And The guy that gave to a-bomb secrets to the Soviets. Claus Fuchs (Name spelled wrong)
My father was. In the USAF and we were in England in the early ‘60’s. I remember going to a Guy Fawkes day bonfire, although I didn’t know what it was about as I was about six.
Julius Caesar wasn't self appointed dictator, the position of dictator could only be given out e the senate. The senate then kept extending his powers until appointing him dictator for life. There may have been significant pressure from the Julii clan to do this but Caesar never appointed himself that position. He was well aware of the power of the people (and the mob) having used it quote deftly during his political career. He knew that perception were much important to the mob than the actual truth so he used the senate to grant him all the powers he wanted to make it look more legit
I come from Little Falls,New York, The City of Fonda is nearby. After Hanoi Jane's trip to NVN, several people had bumper stickers that said "I'm not Fonda of Jane."Some wanted to change the city's name, but too many people wanted to keep it the same. Henry Fonda was the reason.
My father would never watch her or her father again.
He earned a Purple Heart in World War 2.
It's a shame people are roping in Henry (and Peter) Fonda with Jane's betrayal of American soldiers. I wonder if these are the same people who blame all white people for the actions of a few, particularly slavery, but then say you can't blame islam, and all moslems, for the atrocities committed by a minority.
@@tesmith47 Whoa! My family came to the US in the latter part of the 20th century and became US citizens in 1966. So, NO, NOT ALL WHITE PEOPLE ARE TO BLAME FOR EVERYTHING. The descendants of former slave owners who are alive today are not to blame for the atrocities of slavery or Jim Crow or whatever. In today's times, take responsibility for your life choices and decisions. Heck with all this blaming nowadays.
@@ewaleokadia76 I understand, but this economic system which is dominated by, and run for the benifit of white people by robbing Black folks of the wealthy their labor generates IS RESPONSIBLE the conditions here; and those were the reasons white folks, including your relatives come here
@@tesmith47 Actually, nowadays everybody can make something of themselves if he or she wants to. Yes, during slavery there were many blacks exploited and many white folks benefitted. Even after slavery ended, injustices towards blacks did not go away. However, even during the late nineteenth and early part of the twentieth centuries white Catholics were shown contempt and workers were exploited as well. Exploitation and prejudice happened regardless of the color of one's skin. There is a lot to be said on this subject requiring a lengthy ten page essay and single spaced. My hardworking relatives and others I know came not to take advantage of America but to build a life and pay their taxes and dues. They were never on welfare but were given opportunities that they couldn't in Poland at a time when Nazism first took over and then communism. Capitalism, faulty as it may be, allows people to fulfill their dreams whether buying a home, opening a business, or whatever. During communism, there wasn't much of anything in stores and people, for decades, had ration coupons to buy much needed essentials. Yes, essentials, and not luxuries. I have gone to Poland many times as a child and saw this with my own eyes. People had to be discreet when talking about politics because if one said something detrimental about the government, there were spies to report that person. Yes, some were in one's own home. Unfortunately, many Americans who are here for generations in America whether white, black, or other, sometimes do not appreciate the freedoms we have here. We are more fortunate than many countries and yet many people's eyes are closed to the truth. No matter what our tragic history is, and yes including exploitation of others, give me the name of one country where everyone was or is perfect. No nation, people, or country exists that does not have a black mark against it. So, imperfect as America was, is, and will be I will stand up for her.
Should be named 9 Worst Historical Traitors and one mythical traitor.........
I have not even looked in the comments, but I know, somewhere, someone will say Hillary Clinton.
well she did get people killed and then lied about it.
phantomblade89 I know that
No, she didn't get people killed. And she at least knows Russia is out to take back Eastern Europe, which Trump seems not to care about. Trump is going to hand Putin victory in the Cold War, and the so-called "Patriots" love him.
joeschultz2 the cold war ended several years ago
Hoe Schitz oops wrong spelling-- I'll just let it go. After all, Trump is Prez.
Efialtis who betrayed the greeks at Thermopule is more historical than judas...
Nothing about the note that a POW slipped to Jane Fonda? In case you;re wondering; yeah, she turned it over to the N. Koreans.
North Vietnamese.
Correction: Arnold died in London on1802, having been thrown out of Saint John New Brunswick in 1793. Saint John was not part of Canada in those days.
I'm surprised you didn't mention Christopher Boyce and Daulton Lee who were the subject of the 1985 film The Falcon and the Snowman.
I know it is silly, but I will watch no movie if it has Jane Fonda in it, even those films made before she betrayed American soldies.
You are not silly since I still call her Hanoi Jane. I wasn't born back then BUT my family remembers. Too bad that she is Henry Fond s daughter.
Ewa Sadowski . You know he's really proud of her
bet he's still turning in his grave...
Jane Fonda had nothing but love for the unfortunate American soldiers sent by their corrupt government to fight an unnecessary unwinnable war. Yes she was manipulated by the North Vietnamese, but she definitely was an American patriot, trying to save lives.
Too bad you live in such a small world. You should find ways to move on from Jane Fonda; she doesn't give a damn about you or your silly grudge you seem to be carrying.
Right with you
No John Walker spy ring?
Not bad, how about Ted Kennedy?
How about putting John McCain on that list? He made numerous propaganda videos for the North Vietnamese while he was PoW.
When money says hello, patriotism, ethics and moral go.
You need a fact editor.
King Edward the 8th, not just for abdicating but rather his horrid involvement with the Nazis
Hmm, No. 8; Jane Fonda, No. 5.; The Rosenbergs, No. 4.; Benedict Arnold, wow, if you aren't careful, people will say you are an American Republican. With Judas as No. 1; they will say you are an Evangelical Christian Republican.
Guy Fawkes was almost a non entity in the Gunpowder Plot, he was just the first caught.
Caesar didn’t say "Et tu Brute" until Shakespeare put the words there. No one knows for any certainty what he said as he was stabbed, it was probably "S&*t that stings!" As he always referred to Brutus as "Child" it in all probability referred to that name if he was talking to Brutus.
It wasn't Jane Fonda that turned the public against the military in Vietnam, it was because it was perhaps the first ever war that was so televised and in people's living room every night. (The same thing happened when people first saw front line daugerotypes from the Civil War and they saw for the first time - war was not marching band glory, but dead stinking broken, mangled, and bloated corpses rotting on a battlefield).
Things like Hamburger Hill, the Mai Lai Massacre, and the Kent State Shootings and hundreds of other things. The Green Machine has only itself to blame for the public sentiment against it... not Jane Fonda being ditzy on an anti aircraft gun.
In later wars like Iraq and Afghanistan, the US military highly censored the access journalists got to war zones by riding along with them, and that censored a lot of the bad things we were able to see going on in those wars. A lot still came out by independent journalists getting in anyway, that they were not able to hide like they could from the chickenshit journalists from the big networks who were more likely to parrot the party line.
CHOPPERGIRL's AIRWAR she turned us against her..Hanoi Jane
What Jane Fonda did was despicable
Jane Fonda is a trader to Vietnam vets. They and i just can’t forget what she did.
"Judas dies shortly after." Well ---. According to Matthew 27:3-5 "Then when Judas, who had betrayed Him, saw that He had been condemned, he felt remorse and returned the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders, saying, “I have sinned by betraying innocent blood.” But they said, “What is that to us? See to that yourself!” And he threw the pieces of silver into the temple sanctuary and departed; and he went away and hanged himself."
Obviously not. Which one?
HORSEFEATHERS! With 30 pieces of silver...Judas could have bought the whole Roman Legion.
Judas was not confirmed actual historical person!
7 - Caesar was not self appointed, he did refuse to cede power back to the Senate, but that was not "self appointing"
You totally sidestepped Fonda's worst traitorous act. From COL. DAVID HUNT, AUTHOR, "THEY JUST DON'T GET IT": "What she did not apologize for and why she will probably rot in hell is this. She visited the Hanoi Hilton. She visited POWs who had been tortured for years. While she was meeting the POWs, they passed her notes, secret notes. At the end of the line, she gave those notes to the prisoners (my interjection, he meant "jailers"). That's the problem we have with her."
Thanks for this. I have had people tell it isn't true even when I show them a letter with the details.
Judas is a fictional character from a rather imaginative old book.
2. Vidkun Quisling
In Sweden and Norway, Quisling is a common word for traitor
As it is also in the Merriam-Webster English Dictionary.
The World, Reine....."Quisling" is a world-wide recognized synonym for traitor.
@@jds6206 I don't know what they teach in other countries, I only know that many people doesn't seem to know who he is.
Brutus was not Caesar's nephew. He was the son of Caesar's favorite mistress, Servillia
And possibly Caesars son by her !
@@johnsaunders2109 Not likely
@@swiftsurerunner some historians think so! I'm neutral, though Caesar had a vociferous sexual appetite!!
@@johnsaunders2109 Most historians don't. Maybe people who read Shakespeare as being historically accurate maybe. Caesar would have only been 15 or 16 when Brutus was born
@@swiftsurerunner well ? This is a society where sex started young ! And what makes you think I believe it i dont, but many do ! According to Suetonius( admittedly, hardly reliaable) Caesars last words to Brutus was " you too child", which fuelled speculation Caesar was the father of Brutus . It has nothing to do with Shakespeare!
@toptenz until today the rosembergs treason is under debate, specially hers
You missed John Walker, and Ronald Pelton
We could do with Guy Fawkes in 2019 in the UK.
Why?
Looking from across the "pond". It appears your country is well managed, unlike those idiots in Washington DC. Be carful what you wish for you just might get it. It might not be everything it is cracked up to be. Sometimes you have to put up with what you have because the alternative is worse.
The fact that Jane Fonda is on this list calls into question this entire channel. Seriously. Not sure what to make of all the other TopTen lists now.
Guy Fawkes. The last man to enter the UK parliament with honest intentions
I'm shocked that John Walker didn't make this list. Multi-generational espionage for decades that cost thousands of lives and many defeats.
Simon, Simon, Simon. For shame. Although Jane acted as an anti Vietnam war activist she was never found to be guilty of any form of treason as is defined by law. Yes, people felt betrayed by the action you mentioned, but, however despicable, it was NOT TREASON! So I urge you to correct this.
Julius Ceaser's dictatorship was not self-appointed.
yes but he declared himself dictator for life, normally a dictator was appointed for a fewyears, 4 i believe, and it was his decision to change that
@@TrueSonOfWalhall no he didn't declare that. Senate did.
@@terryarmbruster7986 kinda, but he made them do it so technically he did it just not with his own voice but with theirs
Fictional characters don't count guys.
Guy Fawkes was the only person to ever enter the Houses of Parliament with honest intentions
Trump salutes North Korea’s generals. Add him to the list.
Fonda sure is in nice company.
0:57 "Hanged" not "hung."
The traitor Bradley Manning would be my number one.
how is jane fonda one of the worst traitors... I dont like what she did, but she has not been convicted of treason and while performing propaganda for the enemy could be considered treason.. but for her to be chosen over someone like philby or matahari is just silly
Freedom of speech and right to protest in this country means that people who exercise those rights are not traitors. Thank you.
That was a very facile analysis of Jane Fonda's actions. There are people that would consider Kissinger the traitor during those years. She was a fool but he definitely got more Americans killed than she did. America needs to do more to get the history of that war straight. Right now American understanding of that war is very muddled.
England was Arnold's own country.
Yeah
never mind that you missed a lot of other traitors thats probably a lot more top tenz . BUT why put judas in ? .if you are doing mythology ok but dont mix them up .
Any easy open source search will show that Jane Fonda did not dismiss POW concerns. This video is so flawed, and is based on Internet myths. Really shameful.
Nope. She's a traitor.