Hi, looks like Pineider heard your remarks. They just launched new line of Avatars with different material and significantly lower price. It would be nice to watch your review of this new pen.
I think the packing box is meant to be a small version of an old fashion portable desk-storage box. The part you lifted towards you would have lifted from the opposite end. Inside would be the pen(s), paper and ink bottles. In this case, you had the pen and stationery, and only missed out on the ink.
Stephen i think the box resembles an old style writing desk. Also Pineider over Visconti any day. Nice pen looks well made, beautiful material but not to keen on the step down. But an overall a nice looking pen indeed. Thanks for sharing.
Stephen, thanks again for a thorough review much appreciated. I think it was valid to address the "Viconti" issue, but I think Pineider may be coming into it's own especially with the honeycomb pen. My issue with this pen in particular is that metal section, I have come to find that pens with such a section are tough for me to use as my fingers tend to slide down (due to oily finger syndrome), so it will be a pen I will have to pass on.
i actually have a grande bellezza on the way, and am really excited to see where pineider goes. the branding is spot on for me, with the quill style, clip, the old fashioned writing slope box, the stationery and the quick brown fox engraving. the focus on tradition and handwritten correspondence. it may be old fashioned for some but its perfect for me. i’ve also always admired the history behind the company and their paper products (from afar, too rich for my blood) so i cant wait to see what time brings
You should try and get a Pineider La Grande Bellezza Gemstone to review. With it’s higher end materials and gold “quill” nib it would be more inline with what Dante did at Visconti.
Just passed the Akkerman store in the Hague the other day, and I went in to see what they have. They got in the Pineider pens just the day before and I bought a grande belezza right away. Beautiful design and a great, flexible 14 k gold nib. It just struck a chord with me. Although I think design wise they have to distinguish themselves more from Visconti and Montegrappa.
Loved the review! Hope you will review the Pineider "La Grande Bellezza" in the near future, because I am very curious of your thoughts on that one! Keep it up!
Marlen is Italian and they have reasonably priced editions, quite well made, that show up on Ebay. Aurora's entry level wasn't a good experience for me.
I got this one for "only" 149€, which I think is a good price for this one. In my opinion the Medium is quite juicy, certainly not close to a fine, so I was surprised by your comment on that. I ended up getting a second one with fine nib, which I prefer but is still definitely not as fine as a Japanese fine. I do enjoy those nibs more than the Visconti ones I've had.
Mine was 149€ as well (Europian retailers prevail at last!), and my M is on the finer side, similar to Stephen's. It is, however, very smooth, so I don't mind it at all.
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@Ruben Camdyn Thanks for your reply. I got to the site on google and Im waiting for the hacking stuff now. Looks like it's gonna take a while so I will get back to you later when my account password hopefully is recovered.
Looks quite a lot a replica of the Visconti Rembrandt (that I own. Also the nib shares the same characteristics, skinny, but with a very consistent ink flow. While you write you keep on thinking “now it skips, now it skips” because is really skinny, but it continues writing anyway...
The box the pen comes in reminds me of once popular "travelling desks" I wondered about the pronunciation of "Pineider." You pronounced it "pin-a-der," but I think the pronunciation should follow the German example: E before I is pronounced as a long "I," as some ducks are eider ducks, or the last syllable of Frankenstein. So I have been pronouncing it "pin-aye-der."
Wasn't Dante Delvecchio rather unceremoniously removed, or in other words, fired from Visconti, a company he founded and which still own his intellectual creations? Seems like Pneider is lucky to have him, and wise enough to give him creative resources.
i agree that it is perhaps not yet correct to compare pineider with visconti - and perhaps it will never be. it could be that tDante Del Vecchio moved to pineider in order to do something completely different. Thank you for the review!
I have to admit, Stephen, I am somewhat conflicted. Certainly, there are discernible Visconti-style influences to this pen - in fact, it's inescapable. That said, I cannot readily make comparisons with Visconti-proper. I have never favoured magnetic closures on scribes, primarily because over time, that magnetism has a 'half'life', ergo, becomes less powerful, & then all you have is a dysfunctional cap. Looks trendy, but in respect of functionality, it's a non-starter (in my humble opinion). I do like the wrap-over cap clip - lovely touch; the colouration too, is aesthetically pleasing. There's (also) a degree of finesse in the centre band - Florence's skyline - that's classy. The section, I am not keen on - it looks too polished, & therefore, no grip to allow for perspiring fingers. But the clincher (inexorably) is the rather steep price tag - it's just not worth $280.00 (US) of anybody's money - that of course, is a matter of opinion - but for a (fledgling) writing implement, I consider Pineider have over compensated - perhaps deliberately so. I think I'd part company with approximately $180.00, maximum, but definitely no more. An interesting piece, nevertheless. Thank you !! :)
The price does seem a bit steep, I say for $150.00(USD) it would definitely be a winner with me. The pen review was definitely well thought out (as are the rest of your reviews ), this one seemed more "carefully" structured in the sense of comparing brand relationships.
thats what she said!....always cracks me up stephen, I've always appreciated your humor, and the fact that you have always been honest in your reviews which has lead me to believe you are a true and genuine person, I'm still a fanboy and I'm still watching!! always Jude!
I'm sorry, but this is a rip-off of the Visconti Rembrandt design in my opinion. I have two of them and both were excellent writers from the start. Right now Goulet Pen Co. has the Pineider Avatar Saffron for $224, and they also have the new Rembrandt Azure for $148. I don't feel that this pen deserves a $76 premium over the Visconti, but that's just my thought. I guess that if he was the one who actually designed the Rembrandt model he has some justification for the similarities. Of course if a Chinese company did it a lot of people would be up in arms.
It's a pretty pen, but is it £250-pretty? Nah. I like the material, which looks like celluloid (but isn't), but I bought a Kaigelu Century Stars Tiger eye for £30 which IS celluloid, so.....
Hi, looks like Pineider heard your remarks. They just launched new line of Avatars with different material and significantly lower price. It would be nice to watch your review of this new pen.
Secretary desk style pen packaging and stationary. I love that idea!
I think the packing box is meant to be a small version of an old fashion portable desk-storage box. The part you lifted towards you would have lifted from the opposite end. Inside would be the pen(s), paper and ink bottles. In this case, you had the pen and stationery, and only missed out on the ink.
My sentiments exactly, Edward - I have two antique portable writing desks in that format, so yes, it's a clever idea :)
Stephen i think the box resembles an old style writing desk. Also Pineider over Visconti any day. Nice pen looks well made, beautiful material but not to keen on the step down. But an overall a nice looking pen indeed. Thanks for sharing.
Stephen, thanks again for a thorough review much appreciated.
I think it was valid to address the "Viconti" issue, but I think Pineider may be coming into it's own especially with the honeycomb pen.
My issue with this pen in particular is that metal section, I have come to find that pens with such a section are tough for me to use as my fingers tend to slide down (due to oily finger syndrome), so it will be a pen I will have to pass on.
i actually have a grande bellezza on the way, and am really excited to see where pineider goes.
the branding is spot on for me, with the quill style, clip, the old fashioned writing slope box, the stationery and the quick brown fox engraving.
the focus on tradition and handwritten correspondence. it may be old fashioned for some but its perfect for me.
i’ve also always admired the history behind the company and their paper products (from afar, too rich for my blood) so i cant wait to see what time brings
You should try and get a Pineider La Grande Bellezza Gemstone to review. With it’s higher end materials and gold “quill” nib it would be more inline with what Dante did at Visconti.
Just passed the Akkerman store in the Hague the other day, and I went in to see what they have. They got in the Pineider pens just the day before and I bought a grande belezza right away. Beautiful design and a great, flexible 14 k gold nib. It just struck a chord with me. Although I think design wise they have to distinguish themselves more from Visconti and Montegrappa.
Loved the review! Hope you will review the Pineider "La Grande Bellezza" in the near future, because I am very curious of your thoughts on that one! Keep it up!
When I'll be leaving my company I know what to tell my cheap ass boss when he asks me what kickout present I want ;)
Thank you, Stephen. Yes, that was pretty weird.
The box is the shape of portable writing desk. Nice clip. Is there such a thing as a reasonably priced Italian pen?
Marlen is Italian and they have reasonably priced editions, quite well made, that show up on Ebay. Aurora's entry level wasn't a good experience for me.
I got this one for "only" 149€, which I think is a good price for this one. In my opinion the Medium is quite juicy, certainly not close to a fine, so I was surprised by your comment on that. I ended up getting a second one with fine nib, which I prefer but is still definitely not as fine as a Japanese fine. I do enjoy those nibs more than the Visconti ones I've had.
Mine was 149€ as well (Europian retailers prevail at last!), and my M is on the finer side, similar to Stephen's. It is, however, very smooth, so I don't mind it at all.
Hmmm, I may have to dig out my last bottle of Diamine Blood Orange. Such a nice ink.
I don’t have a problem with him bringing his experience and creativity to this new ,to me, brand so long as he doesn’t bring that damn dreamtouch nib
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I was stupid forgot the login password. I would appreciate any assistance you can give me
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@Ruben Camdyn Thanks for your reply. I got to the site on google and Im waiting for the hacking stuff now.
Looks like it's gonna take a while so I will get back to you later when my account password hopefully is recovered.
@Ruben Camdyn It worked and I actually got access to my account again. I am so happy:D
Thank you so much, you really help me out !
@Angel Tanner You are welcome :D
12:32 The emphasis on "feels". 14:55 SHOULD it have the same feel? If so, why?
Looks quite a lot a replica of the Visconti Rembrandt (that I own. Also the nib shares the same characteristics, skinny, but with a very consistent ink flow. While you write you keep on thinking “now it skips, now it skips” because is really skinny, but it continues writing anyway...
The box the pen comes in reminds me of once popular "travelling desks" I wondered about the pronunciation of "Pineider." You pronounced it "pin-a-der," but I think the pronunciation should follow the German example: E before I is pronounced as a long "I," as some ducks are eider ducks, or the last syllable of Frankenstein. So I have been pronouncing it "pin-aye-der."
the box reminds me of antique writing desk
So it’s a Rembrandt?
I just bought an Avatar UR Demonstrator from Pen Chalet for $85.
Wasn't Dante Delvecchio rather unceremoniously removed, or in other words, fired from Visconti, a company he founded and which still own his intellectual creations? Seems like Pneider is lucky to have him, and wise enough to give him creative resources.
You gotta love the she said joke hahaha
i agree that it is perhaps not yet correct to compare pineider with visconti - and perhaps it will never be. it could be that tDante Del Vecchio moved to pineider in order to do something completely different. Thank you for the review!
Dante Del Vecchio was forced out of Visconti by the new ownership group. He did not leave of his own free will.
Ah. Thank you for the correction.
I have to admit, Stephen, I am somewhat conflicted. Certainly, there are discernible Visconti-style influences to this pen - in fact, it's inescapable. That said, I cannot readily make comparisons with Visconti-proper. I have never favoured magnetic closures on scribes, primarily because over time, that magnetism has a 'half'life', ergo, becomes less powerful, & then all you have is a dysfunctional cap. Looks trendy, but in respect of functionality, it's a non-starter (in my humble opinion). I do like the wrap-over cap clip - lovely touch; the colouration too, is aesthetically pleasing. There's (also) a degree of finesse in the centre band - Florence's skyline - that's classy. The section, I am not keen on - it looks too polished, & therefore, no grip to allow for perspiring fingers.
But the clincher (inexorably) is the rather steep price tag - it's just not worth $280.00 (US) of anybody's money - that of course, is a matter of opinion - but for a (fledgling) writing implement, I consider Pineider have over compensated - perhaps deliberately so. I think I'd part company with approximately $180.00, maximum, but definitely no more. An interesting piece, nevertheless. Thank you !! :)
The box represents a desk top
The price does seem a bit steep, I say for $150.00(USD) it would definitely be a winner with me.
The pen review was definitely well thought out (as are the rest of your reviews ), this one seemed more "carefully" structured in the sense of comparing brand relationships.
@Scipione l'Africano
Thanks for your input.
thats what she said!....always cracks me up stephen, I've always appreciated your humor, and the fact that you have always been honest in your reviews which has lead me to believe you are a true and genuine person, I'm still a fanboy and I'm still watching!! always Jude!
I'm sorry, but this is a rip-off of the Visconti Rembrandt design in my opinion. I have two of them and both were excellent writers from the start. Right now Goulet Pen Co. has the Pineider Avatar Saffron for $224, and they also have the new Rembrandt Azure for $148. I don't feel that this pen deserves a $76 premium over the Visconti, but that's just my thought. I guess that if he was the one who actually designed the Rembrandt model he has some justification for the similarities. Of course if a Chinese company did it a lot of people would be up in arms.
I love the colour, but I'm not keen on the clip and the metal pinpoints on the cap. Very overpriced ....though in my opinion.
FP shootout between this and your orange Rembrandt (I guess you no longer have that....)
Or maybe the Montegrappa Felicita that I found Veri interesting in a recent @PenBoyRoy review?
the box makes me think of a writing desk
It's a pretty pen, but is it £250-pretty? Nah. I like the material, which looks like celluloid (but isn't), but I bought a Kaigelu Century Stars Tiger eye for £30 which IS celluloid, so.....
She said humor haha
That clip is really not to my taste.
Yes, clip is ugly
anyone with inky fingers, i listen to! lol #inkyfingers
No way it's worth 200+, that makes 0 sense.
To test a pen, you need to know how to write correctly !!!