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  • Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
  • Charles shows how a water base or alcohol base top coat can dissolve the water base or alcohol base dye or stain you have used on your project as well as how to deal with the issue.

Комментарии • 17

  • @billfromelma
    @billfromelma 8 лет назад +2

    Hey Charles, great information, been with you a long time but it seems every video helps me learn something new. Thanks.

  • @gregbrooks9546
    @gregbrooks9546 6 лет назад

    Charles, I bought a 1940's home that when I pulled up the old carpet it had a pine or spruce wood floor that had that orange fruit wood color to it and wanted to know if you had any videos on how to change the color to it by sanding and refinish.

  • @lohengrinknight
    @lohengrinknight 7 лет назад +1

    Thanks for the information, Charles. I still didn't get the answer to the problem well, though. I have applied General Finishes dye first on wood, and then applied a coat of dewaxed shellac on top, both with foam brush and with a rag. in both cases the result was terrible. the alcohol reactivated the dye and I got dark spots all over the place. I really don't know what to do at this point. I don't have a spray gun for my shellac. Can somebody help, please?

    • @charlesneilwoodworking
      @charlesneilwoodworking  7 лет назад +1

      get a spray cand , and just do a light coat , or use some Arm R seal Oil to seal the dye down, its not water base so it will not pull the color, let dry 24 /36 hours, and then do your top coats, give it a light scuff sand with some 320 or finer, just go easy so as not to cut thru ..you should be fine

  • @phantomcreamer
    @phantomcreamer 6 лет назад

    I have heard that water-based dyes are okay to be layered with oil-based stains. Can I avoid bleeding by applying an oil stain and then my polyurethane? Will the stain block the "3d" "deep" look of the dye?

  • @thomastieffenbacherdocsava1549
    @thomastieffenbacherdocsava1549 8 лет назад

    Great information. where do alkyd oils fit into the picture?

    • @charlesneilwoodworking
      @charlesneilwoodworking  8 лет назад

      doesnt matter, oils over water base work well, just be sure they are dry before using water base products over them, and I also prefer to do a light scuff sand with some 600 grit, just to provide a mechanical bond.
      Oils over oil based stains can also be an issue, so let the stain dry really well first

  • @mikewest712
    @mikewest712 7 лет назад

    Hey charles do you a link for the video where the finish failed? system 3 spar urethane i believe.

  • @archivemail7710
    @archivemail7710 7 лет назад

    Where to gel stains (GF) fit in all this?

  • @JulianPaulJonesSfatcu
    @JulianPaulJonesSfatcu 7 лет назад

    Julian Paul JonesCould I apply oil based urethane, Arm R Seal Wipe on Topcoat over and existing finish ? Kitchen cabinets, 5 years old, probably pre-catalyzed lacquer.I can't spray anything indoors. I am thinking to clean cabinets with 50/50 mix of denatured alcohol and water.Then scuff with 220. Then apply Arm R Seal Urethane Topcoat

    • @charlesneilwoodworking
      @charlesneilwoodworking  7 лет назад +1

      yes , clean with naphtha , then be sure to give a good 400 or scotch bring sanding , get the shine off and provide the Arm R Seal with some mechanical tooth for adhesion

    • @JulianPaulJonesSfatcu
      @JulianPaulJonesSfatcu 7 лет назад

      Thank you very much Sir ! I really appreciate this so much ! The old finish is holding well and is not peeling; it is a matte sheen and my wife likes some gloss sheen to it.
      I have been learning a lot from you, watching your videos many times.

    • @charlesneilwoodworking
      @charlesneilwoodworking  7 лет назад

      Glad i can help

    • @JulianPaulJonesSfatcu
      @JulianPaulJonesSfatcu 7 лет назад

      Forgive me for bothering; would you recommend to apply it veryically without removing the cabinet doors or remove doors and apply the Arm R Seal horizontally ?

    • @charlesneilwoodworking
      @charlesneilwoodworking  7 лет назад

      you can do either .. most folks remove doors and drawers and do them horizontal , the cases verticle, the issue with verticle is thatyou wil have to do thinner and more coats One last thing and i missed it you said you were going to sand with 220 , thats too course on a wipe on finish, it will be hard to fill the scratches, use a 320 or finer, after the first coat go to a 1200 , it doesnt take much, just to remove nibs and so forth, the finer the sand scratch the easier it is for the finish to fill it

  • @PopsCabinetShop
    @PopsCabinetShop 7 лет назад

    I would NOT use oil or water based products, the Pro's use lacquers and conversion varnish, vinyl based primers and sealers, get the suppliers to break it down for you