Best Self Defense Round
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- Опубликовано: 5 июл 2024
- Addressing the issue of deciding on the best self defense ammo.
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I believe it was you, sir, from whom I first heard the adage: You don't shoot to kill, you shoot to live. That can be taken a few different ways, but all of them are worth considering.
Thank you for so many years of entertaining, yet invaluable wisdom. God bless you, Mr. 45!
That's a great line, and it's so true!
@@Hickok45TalksYou should give a disclaimer at the beginning of every video that warns the viewer that this video should be watched at 2x speed to compensate for your brain power.
@@thomas_bahamaWhy be nasty?
@@Skimmerlit I don't ever handle blm supporters with kid gloves.
It's always a very sad thing when someone forces another person to defend themself. The best thing to do is keep an eye out for conflict and proactively avoid it.
What's even worse is having a gov't that tries to destroy you for defending yourself. I live in a state where they'll come after you for carrying or using too much pepper spray, nevermind if you shoot someone.
True but sometimes conflict finds you sitting at home in the early afternoon, minding your own business, just playing a video game at your desk…
Your. Right. Have. A good. Eye. For. Trouble. Don’t. Be there. When it. Happens. Best. Option. Not always. The case. I’m still listening. No other. Comment. To complicated. Hope. It. Never happens
Never been in the military but I knew about situational awareness before I ever heard the term.
A solid hit is better than a loud miss. Carry what you know you can handle accurately.
Practice, practice, practice!
My wife won't shoot anything with more recoil than 380, so I made her practice three shot bursts until she could get 3 rounds in a 6 in circle in less than 2 seconds, at 30 feet. She is not to be messed with.
22 is very capable with shot placement, especially with 22 magnum
Hickok45 for President! Another great conversation. Life is Good!
No gun control supporters for president.
Too old
He’s much more coherent than Brandon
Don't wish that misery on such a good man.
I second the motion..
In the early 80s an older cop told me you want to carry something that's going to stop somebody running at you..... so for me it's always been a 45 caliber on my side and a 12 gauge at home........ just my two cents worth 😂😂
The best firearm? The best calibre? The best first aid kit? The one you have in your hand when your need it.
That is the dumbest answer I have ever heard. Like asking someone what is the best car to buy, and they say, the one already in the driveway.
@@timhallas4275 The point of the comment flew _way_ over your head. If I were to "fix" your analogy, it is more like asking about the best car to buy and given a list of options, because, as the comment was trying to point out, _the best option changes based on circumstance and need of the individual asking or having something is better than having nothing._
Well said Sir. Logic is needed in this world today. At 72 I take for granted the common sense of earlier times.
Oh yeah? The common sense that polluted the globe , cut down all the trees and destroyed our country? Have a seat , let the next generation try to fix the horrible mess you guys left us.
That’s it, I carrying a pocket full of angry bees; I guess they’d be pretty angry, cause they’re in my pocket.
Hickok better live to at least 100! We need your knowledge! You are an American Icon!
Spot on talk Hickok! Thank you for all you do for the gun community. I'm good with whatever round my older hands can shoot well.
The fastest accurate hit wins. Expansion is nice and helps but will not be the determining factor.
When I 1st got into firearms 20 years ago, this was an important curiosity of mine. Back then, I always went with 40 caliber. 20 years later, I find the perfect rounds for self defense is what you’re best shooting with basically. You can become precise with anything as long as you practice with it. From 22lr to 50ae.
A long term study was done on one shot stops years ago, and the 357 Magnum with the Federal 125gr JHP or the Remington 125gr JHP was number one for handguns, and that the 357 and the 12 ga. with 00 buckshot were only 1% apart. The military did a multi million dollar test of the 12 ga shotgun, they determined that the 00 buckshot load rained supreme over all others. So pick a major brand name that's moving fast and you're set.
Do you know what studies these were?
The first thing that came into my mind when I saw the video title was .12ga 00 Buck.
Ancient data
Evan Marshall study ex new york police det.. Used toe tag city data from police shootings
I have carried 32 cal for 40 of my last 60 years of handgunning. Thin 3/4 in., light 7oz. Keltec p32. Never jammed, ever, You can carry it with shorts on. I carry it 85% pf the time. With a jacket on 9mm -45 cal. Depends on the places I go.
For one young boy a rock and a slingshot was his best round.
Amen 🥰👍✝️
Why did David get three stones ? Because he knew Goliath had two brothers. But they don't teach that in church 🙄
@@randymiller5008You'll never guess what they teach at the "Churches" near me....
Here's a hint🏳️🌈
@@randymiller5008I call them "Synagogue of satan"
@randymiller5008 5 stones. I heard he had 4 brothers. They were Giants, too. Nephilim, most likely from Gath aka Gaza.
as a hunter ,tracker, with over 45years experience and knowledge of reloading many, many calibers and when possible retrieving bullets checking retaining weights and expansion I have taken deer from 22lr to 50 cal muzzle loaders. I would point out my 22mag bolt action has taken many game animals in my state which is legal. here many hunters take deer with 22lr and 22mag. my daddy killed so many hogs and beef cows with a 6 in barrel 22lr revolver. many farm livestock taken every year for the freezer with a old single shot 22lr or 22 short. my point is as I've always believed if it can kill a250_400 lb hog and a 1000 pound beef then it can be used in self defense. one exception, I don't and will not own one of the little mouse guns. only around 35 to 60 ft/lb energy. I won't go shorter than 3in barrel 22lr in any pistols or revolvers. with the selection of 22lr today with 3 in barrel energy ranges 75_ 118 or so ft/ lb energy. I enjoy your videos..papa wishing you well. 😊
Shotgun for sure, even a .410
But in a handgun I'd say a 45 has the best all around stopping power. Or affords you the best chance with poor placement. And I'd say this for home defense, interiors as opposed to outside, where a barrel is not an impairment to accuracy.
Extreme calibers can be risky. They may knock down your target but they can also travel through walls with ease. You are still responsible downrange....
Agree 100%.
You’ve never tried .357 Sig…
When I went for my carry permit I like so many others asked my shooting instructor what would be the best self defense firearm / caliber and his response…
- The one you have on you -
Whatever you carry just make sure you are proficient in its use .
Thank you Hickok45. You're exactly right. During my lifetime I've hunted a lot of big game and have met many hunters who want their rifle to compensate for poor shooting form or poor shot placement. It doesn't work. Naturally I've never been in a self defence situation with a firearm but I think shot placement would be the right thing to focus on.
I really like 38 special double action revolvers myself. Best with a 3 inch barrel.
In a self defense situation. Under that much stress, the easier the gun is to operate, the better.
And my little 38, i can easily carry in my front pocket.
If I dont have it, its not very useful.
J frame for that very reason!
I agree about shot placement being first concern. For years I used to carry a 22 revolver in my car and used to feel it was adequate. It wasn't until more recent times that I felt the need to change my car gun to a 9mm and started carrying a pocket gun in 380 auto. 380 is about as much recoil as I can handle in a mouse gun and still have good shot placement. I feel it's more important to stay within your limit than to have the biggest round on the block.
Targets unless you have a Tac course stand still. Badguys and you do not.
For what it's worth, NO .380 is a Defensive caliber, PERIOD. After teaching firearms for 42+ years, and being a retired Federal officer, my carry round, in ALL my 9mm pistols is the Federal 9BPLE load. A 115gr JHP at +P+ pressures. In all my years teaching firearms, I have not met even ONE Instructor who considers .380 OK for CCW or anything else. The USCCA has done TWO videos THIS YEAR, that say the same. And Mas Ayoob is famous for the quote; "Friends don't let friends buy mouse-
guns." Hammer 42+ year Firearms Instructor, USAF SSgt; US Army CW4/SrAviator; INS/ICE/CBP, ret.
While I respect your opinion, I don't agree with it. I believe that any caliber a person is willing to carry is better than the bigger caliber gun left at home because it's too difficult or to painful to conceal. Not everyone lives where you can wear heavy clothes or jackets all the time. With the right ammo, 380 can be very effective. Paul Harrell has done several videos on this worth checking out.
@@kevinroberts1888 Exactly I carry a Glock 42 and have every confidence in it because I've used and trained with it and know what I'm doing and its very easy to carry.
@markhamersly1664 that's your opinion and opinions vary
Shot placement is almost always the most important consideration.
I've chosen my 5" 1911, loaded with UMC .45 acp 230 gr. JHP's, which I feel provide a good level of power, accuracy and reliability to deal with
SD threats. I have a 10mm for 4 legged threats.
The one that you can place precisely on the target accurately, rapidly, and repeatedly with absolute certainty. Critical hits are paramount. Size of holes is not nearly as important as exactly where they are located.
“It’s nothing like in the movies.” So true.
Probably the reason why we see so many cases where both opponent end up dead.
When it comes to tools and which one is the "best" - the best screw driver, the best tooth brush, the best camera etc., the "best" one is the one that you actually have with you when you need to use it. And then, it's best to know how to use it safely and correctly, or if you should even use it at all.
Excellent advice. Thanks for sharing your ideas.
Agree 100% Shot placement.
Love to hear of your commonsense "talks". I hope you keep them up!
My nephew is still too small for a 9mm pistol at the range. He uses .22LR and I try to maintain his confidence as well as his respect for firearms by saying that people didn't suddenly become bullet-proof overnight.
A lot of times bad guy just seeing you have a gun is enough to stop the aggression...
H 45 you have the best features of Elmer Kieth....Skeeter SKELTON...Bill Jorden...rolled into one....Old school is the way brother... I'm with you all the way....
Best response I have ever seen on this subject. Love it!
hickok45 is a awesome man
What's best is what's in your hands when you need it. 😮
I'm my 27 year career as a Police Officer, I've seen Gangsters survive headshots with 7.62 x 39mm, 9mm, 357, 38 and 45 Caliber rounds. But I've never seen anyone survive a head shot from 22LR round. I know it's anecdotal, but its from my personal experience.
Please don't call them gangsters. They're anything but.
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The best defense round is the one that stops the threat ... which is entirely determined by shot placement.
That’s why I use a BB gun, perfect shot placement every time easily.
Shot placement> power
@oblivionpro69 way to be ridiculous. There is such a thing as minimum penetration. A .22lr has it. A BB gun does not Let's just eliminate anything that doesn't break the skin like most BB air rifles, nerf guns, rubber band launchers and your mom.
@@svbarryduckworth628A .177 pellet rifle can send somebody to the hospital..
In order of importance.
1. Choose options you would actually carry.
2. Evaluate reliability when used by you.
3. Evaluate accuracy and speed when used by you
The winner will be marked with appropriate cartridge.
@@svbarryduckworth628 the FBI ballistics tests would prove that a 22LR does not have adequate penetration for a viable self-defense round. There is absolutely such thing as Minimum penetration, use the right gun and caliber for the job. Could you take down a deer or a bear with a 5.56? absolutely but it's not recommended because it will not drop a deer nearly as reliable as a 308, 270, 30-30, 30-06. As for human targets the same could be said for 22 vs 9mm in self-defense circumstances.
I don't think there is a best, only trade offs.
"Sorry if your name is Billy......unless you're a bad guy" lol
Gold Dot wins the day for me … or Federal HST
I like Critical Duty and HST. I like carrying what our local LE carries
As its always been said, the one you will carry, everyday, all day, that's comfortable, and that you can hit with, is wayyyy better than nothing.....
Active Self Protection is a channel that reviews shootings almost every day. If anyone wants to study the effects of gunfire, that’s a good resource. You don’t always know the caliber they use, but it’s still valuable info.
A better channel is Police Activity ,100% made up of US police body cam footage. That other channel has a lot of Brazilian craziness and blurry gas station footage. Police Activity always has a written explanation of an incident and its aftermath. It shows personnel responding to all kinds of calls.
John is morbidly obese and has never been in a gunfight.
He’s not a credible judge of tactics.
@@harperhellems3648mag dumps galore. Leos are not the best shooters for sure.
@@harperhellems3648 Police Activity is a great channel to see how ineffective 9mm is
@@harperhellems3648you’re absolutely right that’s the only channel that has allowed civilians to see the affect an mp7 has on the human body spoiler it looks like it worked very well
Great presentation and the absolute right answer to the question posed.
Hornady Critical Duty. The 175 Gr. .40 S&W is perfect for my needs out of a Glock .40.
An excellent and well thought-out presentation.
This is Joe, and I couldn't agree with you more,😂😂 thanks Hick! Lol I appreciate your input
I saw a guy with 14 rounds in him from a 9mm, who was still coming at the cops. One well placed .22LR between the eyes can stop someone dead in their tracks, so to speak. No matter what caliber I carry, I just make sure that the gun has a mag that carries many rounds. I prefer 9mm for my every day carry gun since it holds 17+1, and I also carry 2 extra mags with it. A .22LR can be just as effective as long as you have 'enough' rounds. I would rather carry a .22LR with a 20 round magazine than carry a 9mm with only 7 rounds in the mag. But that is just me, as I'm sure everyone has their own choice, but I will say this, there is NOTHING worse than running out of ammo during a gunfight, knowing that you could survive if you only had more bullets. Not a good feeling at all...
Yep, I agree. I think we all agree shot placement is the most important. Other than that get what you like.
Thanks for your videos! I learn something every time I watch your channel!!😊
What I've noticed about a law enforcement response to a lethal threat, is that officers typically count on multiple rounds, fired quickly, to neutralize a suspect's
ability to cause harm. If 4 or 5 or more bullets strike the suspect, it significantly reduces the problem of bullet placement from the equation. The choice of bullet caliber thus becomes secondary.
As Hickok just said, there is not only the right bullet placement, because there are other factors like the stamina and strength of the person.
I've just remembered the tragic murder of the beautiful singer and dancer Selena by Yolanda Zaldivar when she was shot in the heart with a 38 caliber at extremely short distance, but Selena was able for her great physical condition to run the street away from Yolanda yelling for help until she tragically passed.
So you are a fanboy and like guns. I'm sure theres some other gun channel that caters to you
Some years ago, I ordered an IWB holster for my Charter Arms Bulldog. As the holster maker and I discussed my requirements, he opined that, as a retired NYPD detective who had worked the "Son of Sam" murders in the mid '70s, I had chosen an "adequate defence round". I took that as a meaningful endorsement.
Great advice. Glad you didn’t pretend to answer this question for all responsible firearms owners and the self- defense situations they might face. Be confident. Be fast (enough). Be accurate. Be ready.
Excellent talk!
I like my Glock 19 and 9mm Pistol Carbine with a 8.5" barrel. Interchangeable with a Silencer. I don't have much use for 300 to 1000 yard shots. It's mostly in and around the house self defense rounds.
pt111 witha hi point 9mm carbine and like 8 loaded mags is my favor camping combo even with bears i dont find the need for a 500 mag revolver or a 454 casull
Remember, you are responsible to account for all seeds your freedom spreader delivers. Make sure the recipient only receives the seeds, not everything next or behind said recipient. Alot of decisions to be made in a fraction of a second. Mental hopscotch/calm reserve/focus before any physical actions, well except breathing 😊
True! And it’s not mentioned often enough. Exactly why I don’t understand why anyone would use an AR in a home defense situation. Especially with FMJ ammo!! You’ll shoot someone 5 blocks away!
@@timburton95145.56 55gr ball will penetrate less building material than pistol caliber JHP ammunition.
@@timburton9514 Myth
No. Make sure you don't die. That's number 1
a good way to look at whatever he talks about life is what you make of it thankyou for your sharing knowledge
That is the best commen sense for that topic I've found on u-tube...that was a refreshing trip to the woods..thank you....😎
I think many of us get wrapped around the axle trying to come up with the perfect caliber and bullet design. The reality is that shot placement and penetration are the most important. Caliber, revolver vs pistol, ammo, are all a distant second.
I have often wondered why people put such focus on which defensive round. It is similar to round count in your firearm. Most occurrences take 2-3 rounds, so why does someone need 17. I am not opposed to having 15+ rounds, just curious as to why the emphasis on having it. With caliber, why do you need 9mm, 10mm, 357mag etc., when a 22LR or 32 ACP will actually work. Again, not opposed to a higher caliber, I normally carry a 40 S&W. If you enjoy toting a 50 cal. Desert Eagle, go for it.
The better question than what is best for defense is what is enough. What firearm will allow you to function in your daily life and feel comfortable. Hickock45 keeps referring to a 22 or 32. A large number of 380 ACPs and other lower power caliber firearms are used every day and perform their role as needed. If you look at gel tests which are all over RUclips many defensive rounds / calibers work sufficiently, and those that are noted as not working as well is due to expansion issues. Shot placement matters more with lower power rounds.
The firearm and ammunition industry are happy to keep putting out new rounds and new firearms. In the end they are tools, buy the ones that will work for your situation and skill.
Well said, brother.
Good vlog. Thanks for the information.
Hickok you know what you're saying in this video as well.
Common question, perfect answer!
Great subject, thanks for addressing it. I would think the answer is whatever the shooter can most confidently bring into action and put on target in a life-or-death situation. Would be interested to hear what those who have, have to say about the subject.
You just explained the defense round argument pretty much the same way I do. I tell people all the time, learn how to shoot then, caliber doesn't matter.
I've thought about this too, which round, what gun, where to shot, when exactly to shot: before or after the "get out of my..." It came down to this for me, it's whatever handy. It may even be a kitchen knife. I pray it never happens. It may never happen, and yet... Thank you for this video.
I know a guy that has 40 plus years of law. Enforcement in a major city. He carries a 22 magnum airweight, using critical defense.
So in 4 decades he’s learned nothing.
@@rifleshooterchannel208😂
Experience doesn't mean intelligence
@rifleshooterchannel208 what have you learned ? Tell me about your experiences with a 22 mag and people getting shot. Is it true that you were shot with a 22 mag, and it bounced off your head and body without effect ? Wow, maybe you're right !
@@chuckdavis1323 Nonsense argument.
A Gamo 1000 pellet gun is lethal.
Would you recommend using one for home defense over a 12 gauge or AR15?
A good point on actual rounds may be police and military use. 9mm, .40 cal etc.
My prefer carry rounds are the Hornady Critical Defence and Federal Personal Defence.
9mm, 327 and 32 H&R.
I have critical defense in 32 H & R.
You accurately predicted all the "anecdotal" responses in the comment section. LOL. My guess is that industry marketing has a lot to do with this. When you live in a "blue state" like I do, it is easily understood that a civilian, self defense firearm encounter outside the home, only involves stopping or breaking contact with the bad guy, and that is the extent of it. Anything more will essentially ruin your own life in the legal system.
I don't think anyone has ever come up with an example, anecdotal or not, of 22lr failing in this regard as long as at least one shot is on target. Edit: I believe the Greg Elfritz study designates "failing to stop" as not stopping an attacker withing 5 feet. This is entirely arbitrary IMO. A more realistic standard would be saving your life.
Ken Hackthorn said the best ammo is what you have in your handgun when the fighting starts
I appreciate these chats more than the shooting.
45acp
It is shot placement that matters. Practice with whatever you carry and get that muscle memory working for you.
I use the same round that my local Sheriff's Department uses.
Officer Mark Coates died when he received a shot from a 22 l.r. in the armpit that hit his heart after he had shot the assailant 5 times in the chest with a 357 magnum this happened in I think 1992 in South Carolina!
The best self defense round is the next one to come out and be talked about and written about by all the experts.
Doesn’t matter if it’s ballistic equivalent has been around for decades, or if it limits capacity or even increases it beyond absurdity.
The best one has yet to be invented, therefore we must always buy the newest and best where we can pretend we don’t remember how wrong we were the last 30 times.
It’s the only real way to amass a proper gun collection. 😮
I EDC a Glock 29SF with a Glock Trigger Pin Thumb Rest Ledge, 4.67" ported barrel, and a laser/light combo with +3 round pearce grip extensions for 12+1 in my main mag and 12 in my backup magazine of 135gr 10mm Auto Controlled Expansion rounds from DoubleTap. 780 Ft-lbs of energy and I have modifications to reduce the recoil of my 10mm by at least 50%, my follow-up shots are just as fast as a high-powered 9mm like 9mm +P.
I try not to overthink this too much. The self defense rounds I carry are either Speer Gold Dots or Federal HST. Both being the 9mm 124 grain +p variety. I think those have been pretty well proven rounds. Lot’s of different rounds out there. But I see no need to change. For home defense, it’s my trusty 1964 Remington 870 with Federal Flight control. Again. I don’t overthink this stuff. Aim small, miss small. Shot placement for sure.
127g ranger T +p+ 😅😅 🎉 124g HST is my second choice. Depending on gun
Depending on what I am wearing, I carry either a 1911 45 ACP with Liberty Civil Defense (78g, 1900 FPS, Frangible), or a.380 with Liberty Civil Defense (50gr, 1500 FPS, Frangible). They also make a 50g, 2040 FPS, Frangible for 9mm lovers. Low recoil, reduced over-penetration, massive damage - great ammo. I agree with most of what Hickock said, with the exception of 22 short. I had a friend that had to shoot someone in self defense with a 22 short. He was wearing a thick leather vest, and the bullet just bounced off. He never carried that gun again.
Miserable rounds 👎
Good video and thank you much. 😊
And practice, practice, practice!
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Hey, Thank U for all U try do for all of us , hopefully law abiding citizens and all that believe in the US Constitution!!! How we deal with those who don't, is a difficult problem for all! The answer is not the politicians, and don't know what else we can do!!!!
On the rare occasions that I am asked questions like the one in this Talk, the answer you and I present seems the only correct response. Henceforth I will direct those seeking advice to subscribe to all of the Hickok 45 channels.
Thank you,
Jack
Great advise
Snow in Tennessee in July?
Good Video.
Not sure what you are referring to so I apologize if I’m totally off base. If you are referring to the light patches in the scene where he is sitting, I think that is sunlight reaching the ground through the trees.
I've watched a lot of videos featuring various calibers, types of rounds, fired from different guns, etc. They all go well far enough into those blocks of ballistic gel to get the job done.
Are people made of ballistic gel?
On the North American continent my top 2 choices for 4 legged threats among long guns would be a semi-automatic 12 gauge shotgun or semi-automatic rifle chambered in 30 06. As far as handguns I’d still opt for one of the large caliber revolvers. 2 legged threats however any firearm should suffice assuming the assailant isn’t armored up.
Cliched answer: the one you have on you. But true.
As a former arty guy I'll take the 155 over anything for defense, in a pinch 105.
It’s a very easy question to answer. Whichever caliber and out whichever firearm you can put the most shots on target at center mass the fastest and at the most rapid rate of fire possible is the best self defense round for you.
I agree with Hickok whatever works
Intimate Fear of Death or Grave Bodily Injuries. I get it turned around, but close enough for now. Many people could die or become disabled by a Full Adrenaline Charge. Anxiety can cause trouble for anyone in a situation of self defense.
Training and preparations are needed and it is not easygoing. I care!!!!
If you're not carrying a phase plasma rifle in 40 gigawatt range you might as well just curl up in feedle position.
Works every time all the time!
Feedle
Maximum potential to stop the action, minimal potential to cause collateral damage.
Hey hick I’ve said it before but you need to start a merch line, I know buds gun shop has a few hats, but that’s not enough! Lol
You should find a good graphics designer and make quality designs of your channel for clothing, I would definitely buy!