I believe it was you, sir, from whom I first heard the adage: You don't shoot to kill, you shoot to live. That can be taken a few different ways, but all of them are worth considering. Thank you for so many years of entertaining, yet invaluable wisdom. God bless you, Mr. 45!
@@Hickok45TalksYou should give a disclaimer at the beginning of every video that warns the viewer that this video should be watched at 2x speed to compensate for your brain power.
It's always a very sad thing when someone forces another person to defend themself. The best thing to do is keep an eye out for conflict and proactively avoid it.
What's even worse is having a gov't that tries to destroy you for defending yourself. I live in a state where they'll come after you for carrying or using too much pepper spray, nevermind if you shoot someone.
Your. Right. Have. A good. Eye. For. Trouble. Don’t. Be there. When it. Happens. Best. Option. Not always. The case. I’m still listening. No other. Comment. To complicated. Hope. It. Never happens
I’m a retired street cop of 33 years, if all the variables are equal the larger handgun round you can control is going to be your best bet. However I did see quite a few people shot with .22’s that were killed. When it all boils down shot placement is 90% of success. Personally i’m buying pistols in 5.7 now because of large capacity, low recoil, excellent reliability, combined with great accuracy and multiple options for bullet types. One thing to consider is a handgun is just a bridge to get to a better option which would be a shotgun or a rifle.
My wife won't shoot anything with more recoil than 380, so I made her practice three shot bursts until she could get 3 rounds in a 6 in circle in less than 2 seconds, at 30 feet. She is not to be messed with.
@@timhallas4275yup. My wife Carrie’s and uses her .380 with proficiency too. A bad guy with 3 in the chest is very likely going to change their behavior in short order.
Oh yeah? The common sense that polluted the globe , cut down all the trees and destroyed our country? Have a seat , let the next generation try to fix the horrible mess you guys left us.
When I 1st got into firearms 20 years ago, this was an important curiosity of mine. Back then, I always went with 40 caliber. 20 years later, I find the perfect rounds for self defense is what you’re best shooting with basically. You can become precise with anything as long as you practice with it. From 22lr to 50ae.
I agree about shot placement being first concern. For years I used to carry a 22 revolver in my car and used to feel it was adequate. It wasn't until more recent times that I felt the need to change my car gun to a 9mm and started carrying a pocket gun in 380 auto. 380 is about as much recoil as I can handle in a mouse gun and still have good shot placement. I feel it's more important to stay within your limit than to have the biggest round on the block.
For what it's worth, NO .380 is a Defensive caliber, PERIOD. After teaching firearms for 42+ years, and being a retired Federal officer, my carry round, in ALL my 9mm pistols is the Federal 9BPLE load. A 115gr JHP at +P+ pressures. In all my years teaching firearms, I have not met even ONE Instructor who considers .380 OK for CCW or anything else. The USCCA has done TWO videos THIS YEAR, that say the same. And Mas Ayoob is famous for the quote; "Friends don't let friends buy mouse- guns." Hammer 42+ year Firearms Instructor, USAF SSgt; US Army CW4/SrAviator; INS/ICE/CBP, ret.
While I respect your opinion, I don't agree with it. I believe that any caliber a person is willing to carry is better than the bigger caliber gun left at home because it's too difficult or to painful to conceal. Not everyone lives where you can wear heavy clothes or jackets all the time. With the right ammo, 380 can be very effective. Paul Harrell has done several videos on this worth checking out.
@@kevinroberts1888 Exactly I carry a Glock 42 and have every confidence in it because I've used and trained with it and know what I'm doing and its very easy to carry.
A long term study was done on one shot stops years ago, and the 357 Magnum with the Federal 125gr JHP or the Remington 125gr JHP was number one for handguns, and that the 357 and the 12 ga. with 00 buckshot were only 1% apart. The military did a multi million dollar test of the 12 ga shotgun, they determined that the 00 buckshot load rained supreme over all others. So pick a major brand name that's moving fast and you're set.
@@craigthescott5074 Revolver in 22, 22 mag will work. I have a LCR in 22 with 8rnd capacity, and I shoot it very well. My EDC is a LCR 327 Mag. My Beretta 70s 22 is just as reliable as any other pistol I own when shooting quality ammo. CCI Mini Mags, or standard velocity. That's suppressed, and non. My Walther PPKs in 22 was an absolute 💩.
Thank you Hickok45. You're exactly right. During my lifetime I've hunted a lot of big game and have met many hunters who want their rifle to compensate for poor shooting form or poor shot placement. It doesn't work. Naturally I've never been in a self defence situation with a firearm but I think shot placement would be the right thing to focus on.
I actually researched this topic quite a bit a while back and I found that the three most important things when talking about handgun rounds in the context of self defense are: Shot placement Penetration Shot placement This is why the 9mm is basically perfect. You can carry a lot of them, they can penetrate deeply enough to get to vital areas of the body, and they're easy enough to control and employ effectively.
When I went for my carry permit I like so many others asked my shooting instructor what would be the best self defense firearm / caliber and his response… - The one you have on you - Whatever you carry just make sure you are proficient in its use .
In the early 80s an older cop told me you want to carry something that's going to stop somebody running at you..... so for me it's always been a 45 caliber on my side and a 12 gauge at home........ just my two cents worth 😂😂
I have carried 32 cal for 40 of my last 60 years of handgunning. Thin 3/4 in., light 7oz. Keltec p32. Never jammed, ever, You can carry it with shorts on. I carry it 85% pf the time. With a jacket on 9mm -45 cal. Depends on the places I go.
"Any projectile going over 600 feet per second; has the mass of a .22lr , or greater" is considered to be lethal. This advice comes from an actual doctor from Japan that wrote the Black Medicine series. If the assailant doesn't know where to place rounds; than a bullet no matter how fast or huge is useless.
The one that you can place precisely on the target accurately, rapidly, and repeatedly with absolute certainty. Critical hits are paramount. Size of holes is not nearly as important as exactly where they are located.
Shotgun for sure, even a .410 But in a handgun I'd say a 45 has the best all around stopping power. Or affords you the best chance with poor placement. And I'd say this for home defense, interiors as opposed to outside, where a barrel is not an impairment to accuracy. Extreme calibers can be risky. They may knock down your target but they can also travel through walls with ease. You are still responsible downrange....
Active Self Protection is a channel that reviews shootings almost every day. If anyone wants to study the effects of gunfire, that’s a good resource. You don’t always know the caliber they use, but it’s still valuable info.
A better channel is Police Activity ,100% made up of US police body cam footage. That other channel has a lot of Brazilian craziness and blurry gas station footage. Police Activity always has a written explanation of an incident and its aftermath. It shows personnel responding to all kinds of calls.
@@harperhellems3648you’re absolutely right that’s the only channel that has allowed civilians to see the affect an mp7 has on the human body spoiler it looks like it worked very well
as a hunter ,tracker, with over 45years experience and knowledge of reloading many, many calibers and when possible retrieving bullets checking retaining weights and expansion I have taken deer from 22lr to 50 cal muzzle loaders. I would point out my 22mag bolt action has taken many game animals in my state which is legal. here many hunters take deer with 22lr and 22mag. my daddy killed so many hogs and beef cows with a 6 in barrel 22lr revolver. many farm livestock taken every year for the freezer with a old single shot 22lr or 22 short. my point is as I've always believed if it can kill a250_400 lb hog and a 1000 pound beef then it can be used in self defense. one exception, I don't and will not own one of the little mouse guns. only around 35 to 60 ft/lb energy. I won't go shorter than 3in barrel 22lr in any pistols or revolvers. with the selection of 22lr today with 3 in barrel energy ranges 75_ 118 or so ft/ lb energy. I enjoy your videos..papa wishing you well. 😊
@@4JaayTv I can fully understand a decision to go with one of the super light weight “Rocket rounds” with velocities approaching that of rifle fire. I would use them.
I really like 38 special double action revolvers myself. Best with a 3 inch barrel. In a self defense situation. Under that much stress, the easier the gun is to operate, the better. And my little 38, i can easily carry in my front pocket. If I dont have it, its not very useful.
I've thought about this too, which round, what gun, where to shot, when exactly to shot: before or after the "get out of my..." It came down to this for me, it's whatever handy. It may even be a kitchen knife. I pray it never happens. It may never happen, and yet... Thank you for this video.
I like my Glock 19 and 9mm Pistol Carbine with a 8.5" barrel. Interchangeable with a Silencer. I don't have much use for 300 to 1000 yard shots. It's mostly in and around the house self defense rounds.
pt111 witha hi point 9mm carbine and like 8 loaded mags is my favor camping combo even with bears i dont find the need for a 500 mag revolver or a 454 casull
Many police departments follow the lead of the FBI, who spend great amounts of money and time researching firearm ballistics and terminal effects of firearm rounds commonly in use by military and law enforcement.I’d say they know a thing or two about the subject and if ever asked about why you used a particular round the simple response is, I figured the cops know what’s best so I copied them!
I think many of us get wrapped around the axle trying to come up with the perfect caliber and bullet design. The reality is that shot placement and penetration are the most important. Caliber, revolver vs pistol, ammo, are all a distant second.
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As Hickok just said, there is not only the right bullet placement, because there are other factors like the stamina and strength of the person. I've just remembered the tragic murder of the beautiful singer and dancer Selena by Yolanda Zaldivar when she was shot in the heart with a 38 caliber at extremely short distance, but Selena was able for her great physical condition to run the street away from Yolanda yelling for help until she tragically passed.
What I've noticed about a law enforcement response to a lethal threat, is that officers typically count on multiple rounds, fired quickly, to neutralize a suspect's ability to cause harm. If 4 or 5 or more bullets strike the suspect, it significantly reduces the problem of bullet placement from the equation. The choice of bullet caliber thus becomes secondary.
Great advice. Glad you didn’t pretend to answer this question for all responsible firearms owners and the self- defense situations they might face. Be confident. Be fast (enough). Be accurate. Be ready.
Some years ago, I ordered an IWB holster for my Charter Arms Bulldog. As the holster maker and I discussed my requirements, he opined that, as a retired NYPD detective who had worked the "Son of Sam" murders in the mid '70s, I had chosen an "adequate defence round". I took that as a meaningful endorsement.
Remember, you are responsible to account for all seeds your freedom spreader delivers. Make sure the recipient only receives the seeds, not everything next or behind said recipient. Alot of decisions to be made in a fraction of a second. Mental hopscotch/calm reserve/focus before any physical actions, well except breathing 😊
True! And it’s not mentioned often enough. Exactly why I don’t understand why anyone would use an AR in a home defense situation. Especially with FMJ ammo!! You’ll shoot someone 5 blocks away!
Depending on what I am wearing, I carry either a 1911 45 ACP with Liberty Civil Defense (78g, 1900 FPS, Frangible), or a.380 with Liberty Civil Defense (50gr, 1500 FPS, Frangible). They also make a 50g, 2040 FPS, Frangible for 9mm lovers. Low recoil, reduced over-penetration, massive damage - great ammo. I agree with most of what Hickock said, with the exception of 22 short. I had a friend that had to shoot someone in self defense with a 22 short. He was wearing a thick leather vest, and the bullet just bounced off. He never carried that gun again.
I try not to overthink this too much. The self defense rounds I carry are either Speer Gold Dots or Federal HST. Both being the 9mm 124 grain +p variety. I think those have been pretty well proven rounds. Lot’s of different rounds out there. But I see no need to change. For home defense, it’s my trusty 1964 Remington 870 with Federal Flight control. Again. I don’t overthink this stuff. Aim small, miss small. Shot placement for sure.
I've never shot a firearm in my life but maybe I can still add something. I'd argue that law enforcement is probably the one job where you are placed in lethal self defense situations the most often. These people do learn from trial and sometimes rather tragic error. I would assume it's probably safe to say that using whatever the cops have is the best idea in 99% of situations any normal civilian could find themselves in
@rifleshooterchannel208 what have you learned ? Tell me about your experiences with a 22 mag and people getting shot. Is it true that you were shot with a 22 mag, and it bounced off your head and body without effect ? Wow, maybe you're right !
@oblivionpro69 way to be ridiculous. There is such a thing as minimum penetration. A .22lr has it. A BB gun does not Let's just eliminate anything that doesn't break the skin like most BB air rifles, nerf guns, rubber band launchers and your mom.
In order of importance. 1. Choose options you would actually carry. 2. Evaluate reliability when used by you. 3. Evaluate accuracy and speed when used by you The winner will be marked with appropriate cartridge.
@@svbarryduckworth628 the FBI ballistics tests would prove that a 22LR does not have adequate penetration for a viable self-defense round. There is absolutely such thing as Minimum penetration, use the right gun and caliber for the job. Could you take down a deer or a bear with a 5.56? absolutely but it's not recommended because it will not drop a deer nearly as reliable as a 308, 270, 30-30, 30-06. As for human targets the same could be said for 22 vs 9mm in self-defense circumstances.
And it's simple as a round may not even need to be used because naturally no one or anything wants to be hit with a round. Sometimes that will stop a threat as well.
I have often wondered why people put such focus on which defensive round. It is similar to round count in your firearm. Most occurrences take 2-3 rounds, so why does someone need 17. I am not opposed to having 15+ rounds, just curious as to why the emphasis on having it. With caliber, why do you need 9mm, 10mm, 357mag etc., when a 22LR or 32 ACP will actually work. Again, not opposed to a higher caliber, I normally carry a 40 S&W. If you enjoy toting a 50 cal. Desert Eagle, go for it. The better question than what is best for defense is what is enough. What firearm will allow you to function in your daily life and feel comfortable. Hickock45 keeps referring to a 22 or 32. A large number of 380 ACPs and other lower power caliber firearms are used every day and perform their role as needed. If you look at gel tests which are all over RUclips many defensive rounds / calibers work sufficiently, and those that are noted as not working as well is due to expansion issues. Shot placement matters more with lower power rounds. The firearm and ammunition industry are happy to keep putting out new rounds and new firearms. In the end they are tools, buy the ones that will work for your situation and skill.
My nephew is still too small for a 9mm pistol at the range. He uses .22LR and I try to maintain his confidence as well as his respect for firearms by saying that people didn't suddenly become bullet-proof overnight.
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@@timhallas4275 The point of the comment flew _way_ over your head. If I were to "fix" your analogy, it is more like asking about the best car to buy and given a list of options, because, as the comment was trying to point out, _the best option changes based on circumstance and need of the individual asking or having something is better than having nothing._
@@alwaysamongdragons7354 You seem to have read into that comment, way more than what is there. He's basically saying that the one you have is the best choice because it's the one you already have. He is simply avoiding the question.... and so are you.
@@timhallas4275 No, no I haven't. No I am not. And neither is he. I don't know how you have gone this long without hearing someone saying this before, effectively meaning that the question of having a caliber at all is more important than which one you choose. It is exemplifying that there is no best caliber or best round that works for every last person on Earth because if you hand someone that can't handle recoil a 45 they might miss every shot and they may as well have not had a gun in the first place. Thus: the best caliber is the one that works for you. Reading between the lines is not your strong suit.
@@timhallas4275 So if you had only a .22lr and you needed it in a self defense situation are you-- 1) Going to use it which means the one you have in hand or 2) Say this isn't the right gun/caliber and tell the aggressor, hey hold on, I don't have the right gun/caliber, give me about 2 hrs and I'll be right back.
It’s a very easy question to answer. Whichever caliber and out whichever firearm you can put the most shots on target at center mass the fastest and at the most rapid rate of fire possible is the best self defense round for you.
I carry the same thing I practice with every weekend: quality 115gr ball. Billy won’t stop to discern your ammo selection if you are putting effective rounds on target.
The big problem is over penetration and the possibility of hitting an innocent behind the perp. That would be very bad. You would not want me on your jury if that were to happen.
You just explained the defense round argument pretty much the same way I do. I tell people all the time, learn how to shoot then, caliber doesn't matter.
On the North American continent my top 2 choices for 4 legged threats among long guns would be a semi-automatic 12 gauge shotgun or semi-automatic rifle chambered in 30 06. As far as handguns I’d still opt for one of the large caliber revolvers. 2 legged threats however any firearm should suffice assuming the assailant isn’t armored up.
Great subject, thanks for addressing it. I would think the answer is whatever the shooter can most confidently bring into action and put on target in a life-or-death situation. Would be interested to hear what those who have, have to say about the subject.
I saw a guy with 14 rounds in him from a 9mm, who was still coming at the cops. One well placed .22LR between the eyes can stop someone dead in their tracks, so to speak. No matter what caliber I carry, I just make sure that the gun has a mag that carries many rounds. I prefer 9mm for my every day carry gun since it holds 17+1, and I also carry 2 extra mags with it. A .22LR can be just as effective as long as you have 'enough' rounds. I would rather carry a .22LR with a 20 round magazine than carry a 9mm with only 7 rounds in the mag. But that is just me, as I'm sure everyone has their own choice, but I will say this, there is NOTHING worse than running out of ammo during a gunfight, knowing that you could survive if you only had more bullets. Not a good feeling at all...
Hey, Thank U for all U try do for all of us , hopefully law abiding citizens and all that believe in the US Constitution!!! How we deal with those who don't, is a difficult problem for all! The answer is not the politicians, and don't know what else we can do!!!!
On Colin Noirs Channel is a storry about an 85y old lady that shot an intruder. She had a 357 Mag und he a 9mm Beretta. He dumped his mag and hit her 4 times arm,leg, chest and stomach. She shot and hit him only two times but he didnt even made it out of her house and died there. She survived. Yes there are no magik bullets but some might be better.
Intimate Fear of Death or Grave Bodily Injuries. I get it turned around, but close enough for now. Many people could die or become disabled by a Full Adrenaline Charge. Anxiety can cause trouble for anyone in a situation of self defense. Training and preparations are needed and it is not easygoing. I care!!!!
Officer Mark Coates died when he received a shot from a 22 l.r. in the armpit that hit his heart after he had shot the assailant 5 times in the chest with a 357 magnum this happened in I think 1992 in South Carolina!
In 2009 I was forced to defend my family. At 3 am two armed men came to the ranch kicked in our front door to rob and harm us. In the shooting that took place, I was armed with an old Llamma 1911, 9mm loaded with 115gr FMJ. The autopsy on the one who passed away showed that both of the rounds fired went through his sternum, heart, spine, and the wall of our home before lodging in a tree outside.
You accurately predicted all the "anecdotal" responses in the comment section. LOL. My guess is that industry marketing has a lot to do with this. When you live in a "blue state" like I do, it is easily understood that a civilian, self defense firearm encounter outside the home, only involves stopping or breaking contact with the bad guy, and that is the extent of it. Anything more will essentially ruin your own life in the legal system. I don't think anyone has ever come up with an example, anecdotal or not, of 22lr failing in this regard as long as at least one shot is on target. Edit: I believe the Greg Elfritz study designates "failing to stop" as not stopping an attacker withing 5 feet. This is entirely arbitrary IMO. A more realistic standard would be saving your life.
I believe it was you, sir, from whom I first heard the adage: You don't shoot to kill, you shoot to live. That can be taken a few different ways, but all of them are worth considering.
Thank you for so many years of entertaining, yet invaluable wisdom. God bless you, Mr. 45!
That's a great line, and it's so true!
@@Hickok45TalksYou should give a disclaimer at the beginning of every video that warns the viewer that this video should be watched at 2x speed to compensate for your brain power.
@@thomas_bahamaWhy be nasty?
@@Skimmerlit I don't ever handle blm supporters with kid gloves.
it's good that Mr Hickok talks slowly because he's easy to follow. Thank you Mr Hickok 👍
It's always a very sad thing when someone forces another person to defend themself. The best thing to do is keep an eye out for conflict and proactively avoid it.
What's even worse is having a gov't that tries to destroy you for defending yourself. I live in a state where they'll come after you for carrying or using too much pepper spray, nevermind if you shoot someone.
True but sometimes conflict finds you sitting at home in the early afternoon, minding your own business, just playing a video game at your desk…
Your. Right. Have. A good. Eye. For. Trouble. Don’t. Be there. When it. Happens. Best. Option. Not always. The case. I’m still listening. No other. Comment. To complicated. Hope. It. Never happens
Never been in the military but I knew about situational awareness before I ever heard the term.
Well said
Hickok45 for President! Another great conversation. Life is Good!
No gun control supporters for president.
Too old
He’s much more coherent than Brandon
I second the motion..
@@professionalpookie heh? Hickok is 74 , trump is 78 and biden 81 😂he is younger than the current candidates
I’m a retired street cop of 33 years, if all the variables are equal the larger handgun round you can control is going to be your best bet. However I did see quite a few people shot with .22’s that were killed. When it all boils down shot placement is 90% of success. Personally i’m buying pistols in 5.7 now because of large capacity, low recoil, excellent reliability, combined with great accuracy and multiple options for bullet types. One thing to consider is a handgun is just a bridge to get to a better option which would be a shotgun or a rifle.
no. no. where were you a cop? in the congo?? you sound like you’re preparing for war, not being a civil servant. creepy
@ yea actually I was a cop in a major southwest city for 33 years so yea I seen some shit Chief.
A solid hit is better than a loud miss. Carry what you know you can handle accurately.
Practice, practice, practice!
My wife won't shoot anything with more recoil than 380, so I made her practice three shot bursts until she could get 3 rounds in a 6 in circle in less than 2 seconds, at 30 feet. She is not to be messed with.
@@timhallas4275yup. My wife Carrie’s and uses her .380 with proficiency too. A bad guy with 3 in the chest is very likely going to change their behavior in short order.
Hickok better live to at least 100! We need your knowledge! You are an American Icon!
Spot on talk Hickok! Thank you for all you do for the gun community. I'm good with whatever round my older hands can shoot well.
Well said Sir. Logic is needed in this world today. At 72 I take for granted the common sense of earlier times.
Oh yeah? The common sense that polluted the globe , cut down all the trees and destroyed our country? Have a seat , let the next generation try to fix the horrible mess you guys left us.
When I 1st got into firearms 20 years ago, this was an important curiosity of mine. Back then, I always went with 40 caliber. 20 years later, I find the perfect rounds for self defense is what you’re best shooting with basically. You can become precise with anything as long as you practice with it. From 22lr to 50ae.
I agree about shot placement being first concern. For years I used to carry a 22 revolver in my car and used to feel it was adequate. It wasn't until more recent times that I felt the need to change my car gun to a 9mm and started carrying a pocket gun in 380 auto. 380 is about as much recoil as I can handle in a mouse gun and still have good shot placement. I feel it's more important to stay within your limit than to have the biggest round on the block.
Targets unless you have a Tac course stand still. Badguys and you do not.
For what it's worth, NO .380 is a Defensive caliber, PERIOD. After teaching firearms for 42+ years, and being a retired Federal officer, my carry round, in ALL my 9mm pistols is the Federal 9BPLE load. A 115gr JHP at +P+ pressures. In all my years teaching firearms, I have not met even ONE Instructor who considers .380 OK for CCW or anything else. The USCCA has done TWO videos THIS YEAR, that say the same. And Mas Ayoob is famous for the quote; "Friends don't let friends buy mouse-
guns." Hammer 42+ year Firearms Instructor, USAF SSgt; US Army CW4/SrAviator; INS/ICE/CBP, ret.
While I respect your opinion, I don't agree with it. I believe that any caliber a person is willing to carry is better than the bigger caliber gun left at home because it's too difficult or to painful to conceal. Not everyone lives where you can wear heavy clothes or jackets all the time. With the right ammo, 380 can be very effective. Paul Harrell has done several videos on this worth checking out.
@@kevinroberts1888 Exactly I carry a Glock 42 and have every confidence in it because I've used and trained with it and know what I'm doing and its very easy to carry.
@markhamersly1664 that's your opinion and opinions vary
The fastest accurate hit wins. Expansion is nice and helps but will not be the determining factor.
A long term study was done on one shot stops years ago, and the 357 Magnum with the Federal 125gr JHP or the Remington 125gr JHP was number one for handguns, and that the 357 and the 12 ga. with 00 buckshot were only 1% apart. The military did a multi million dollar test of the 12 ga shotgun, they determined that the 00 buckshot load rained supreme over all others. So pick a major brand name that's moving fast and you're set.
Do you know what studies these were?
The first thing that came into my mind when I saw the video title was .12ga 00 Buck.
Ancient data
Evan Marshall study ex new york police det.. Used toe tag city data from police shootings
Lol the US military has no problem sending our money, the problem is the cheap junk they equip our troops with! Just follow the money!😅
Best joke ever... many of us dont learn by trial and error in self defense shooting! Love your channel!
22 is very capable with shot placement, especially with 22 magnum
The problem with 22’s is they are rim fire and can be unreliable, the hot ticket now is the 5.7 round but it’s drawback is it’s expensive to shoot.
@@craigthescott5074 Revolver in 22, 22 mag will work. I have a LCR in 22 with 8rnd capacity, and I shoot it very well. My EDC is a LCR 327 Mag. My Beretta 70s 22 is just as reliable as any other pistol I own when shooting quality ammo. CCI Mini Mags, or standard velocity. That's suppressed, and non. My Walther PPKs in 22 was an absolute 💩.
@@gonzob9609 yep I carry a 4 shot 22 derringer with 22 stingers in my pocket everyday. But that’s just a backup for my knife. 😀
Thank you Hickok45. You're exactly right. During my lifetime I've hunted a lot of big game and have met many hunters who want their rifle to compensate for poor shooting form or poor shot placement. It doesn't work. Naturally I've never been in a self defence situation with a firearm but I think shot placement would be the right thing to focus on.
I actually researched this topic quite a bit a while back and I found that the three most important things when talking about handgun rounds in the context of self defense are:
Shot placement
Penetration
Shot placement
This is why the 9mm is basically perfect. You can carry a lot of them, they can penetrate deeply enough to get to vital areas of the body, and they're easy enough to control and employ effectively.
Love to hear of your commonsense "talks". I hope you keep them up!
“It’s nothing like in the movies.” So true.
Probably the reason why we see so many cases where both opponent end up dead.
When I went for my carry permit I like so many others asked my shooting instructor what would be the best self defense firearm / caliber and his response…
- The one you have on you -
Whatever you carry just make sure you are proficient in its use .
For one young boy a rock and a slingshot was his best round.
Amen 🥰👍✝️
@@randymiller5008You'll never guess what they teach at the "Churches" near me....
Here's a hint🏳️🌈
@@randymiller5008I call them "Synagogue of satan"
@randymiller5008 5 stones. I heard he had 4 brothers. They were Giants, too. Nephilim, most likely from Gath aka Gaza.
@@randymiller5008 Not that it matters but David picked up 5 stones because Goliath had 4 brothers. Same meaning.
In the early 80s an older cop told me you want to carry something that's going to stop somebody running at you..... so for me it's always been a 45 caliber on my side and a 12 gauge at home........ just my two cents worth 😂😂
Good choice as a retired street cop that’s what I carried and added an AR 15 later in my career .
Agreed 👍
I have carried 32 cal for 40 of my last 60 years of handgunning. Thin 3/4 in., light 7oz. Keltec p32. Never jammed, ever, You can carry it with shorts on. I carry it 85% pf the time. With a jacket on 9mm -45 cal. Depends on the places I go.
"Any projectile going over 600 feet per second; has the mass of a .22lr , or greater" is considered to be lethal. This advice comes from an actual doctor from Japan that wrote the Black Medicine series. If the assailant doesn't know where to place rounds; than a bullet no matter how fast or huge is useless.
The one that you can place precisely on the target accurately, rapidly, and repeatedly with absolute certainty. Critical hits are paramount. Size of holes is not nearly as important as exactly where they are located.
Shotgun for sure, even a .410
But in a handgun I'd say a 45 has the best all around stopping power. Or affords you the best chance with poor placement. And I'd say this for home defense, interiors as opposed to outside, where a barrel is not an impairment to accuracy.
Extreme calibers can be risky. They may knock down your target but they can also travel through walls with ease. You are still responsible downrange....
Agree 100%.
You’ve never tried .357 Sig…
@@professionalpookie .40 S&W and 357 Sig are the answers. Both more effective than 9mm or .45 when all things are equal.
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This is Joe, and I couldn't agree with you more,😂😂 thanks Hick! Lol I appreciate your input
Active Self Protection is a channel that reviews shootings almost every day. If anyone wants to study the effects of gunfire, that’s a good resource. You don’t always know the caliber they use, but it’s still valuable info.
A better channel is Police Activity ,100% made up of US police body cam footage. That other channel has a lot of Brazilian craziness and blurry gas station footage. Police Activity always has a written explanation of an incident and its aftermath. It shows personnel responding to all kinds of calls.
John is morbidly obese and has never been in a gunfight.
He’s not a credible judge of tactics.
@@harperhellems3648mag dumps galore. Leos are not the best shooters for sure.
@@harperhellems3648 Police Activity is a great channel to see how ineffective 9mm is
@@harperhellems3648you’re absolutely right that’s the only channel that has allowed civilians to see the affect an mp7 has on the human body spoiler it looks like it worked very well
as a hunter ,tracker, with over 45years experience and knowledge of reloading many, many calibers and when possible retrieving bullets checking retaining weights and expansion I have taken deer from 22lr to 50 cal muzzle loaders. I would point out my 22mag bolt action has taken many game animals in my state which is legal. here many hunters take deer with 22lr and 22mag. my daddy killed so many hogs and beef cows with a 6 in barrel 22lr revolver. many farm livestock taken every year for the freezer with a old single shot 22lr or 22 short. my point is as I've always believed if it can kill a250_400 lb hog and a 1000 pound beef then it can be used in self defense. one exception, I don't and will not own one of the little mouse guns. only around 35 to 60 ft/lb energy. I won't go shorter than 3in barrel 22lr in any pistols or revolvers. with the selection of 22lr today with 3 in barrel energy ranges 75_ 118 or so ft/ lb energy. I enjoy your videos..papa wishing you well. 😊
Hornady Critical Duty. The 175 Gr. .40 S&W is perfect for my needs out of a Glock .40.
That’s so heavy
@@4JaayTv I can fully understand a decision to go with one of the super light weight “Rocket rounds” with velocities approaching that of rifle fire. I would use them.
Agree 100% Shot placement.
Yep, I agree. I think we all agree shot placement is the most important. Other than that get what you like.
hickok45 is a awesome man
I really like 38 special double action revolvers myself. Best with a 3 inch barrel.
In a self defense situation. Under that much stress, the easier the gun is to operate, the better.
And my little 38, i can easily carry in my front pocket.
If I dont have it, its not very useful.
J frame for that very reason!
I have s&w 642 very easy to conceal , especially when I’m wearing a lighter clothing where I can’t carry my Glock
I've thought about this too, which round, what gun, where to shot, when exactly to shot: before or after the "get out of my..." It came down to this for me, it's whatever handy. It may even be a kitchen knife. I pray it never happens. It may never happen, and yet... Thank you for this video.
I like my Glock 19 and 9mm Pistol Carbine with a 8.5" barrel. Interchangeable with a Silencer. I don't have much use for 300 to 1000 yard shots. It's mostly in and around the house self defense rounds.
pt111 witha hi point 9mm carbine and like 8 loaded mags is my favor camping combo even with bears i dont find the need for a 500 mag revolver or a 454 casull
"Sorry if your name is Billy......unless you're a bad guy" lol
Best response I have ever seen on this subject. Love it!
I just love this channel.
a wise person once said that you should Only carry ammunition used by your local cops. a jury/ prosecutor can never hold it against you.
They then argue that you are not law enforcement and that you had no business carrying such cartridges.
@@billyharper5925that's where they'd be told, too fkn bad... Change the law if you don't want me carrying a certain type of ammunition.
Many police departments follow the lead of the FBI, who spend great amounts of money and time researching firearm ballistics and terminal effects of firearm rounds commonly in use by military and law enforcement.I’d say they know a thing or two about the subject and if ever asked about why you used a particular round the simple response is, I figured the cops know what’s best so I copied them!
That’s it, I carrying a pocket full of angry bees; I guess they’d be pretty angry, cause they’re in my pocket.
I think many of us get wrapped around the axle trying to come up with the perfect caliber and bullet design. The reality is that shot placement and penetration are the most important. Caliber, revolver vs pistol, ammo, are all a distant second.
Gold Dot wins the day for me … or Federal HST
I like Critical Duty and HST. I like carrying what our local LE carries
Thanks Hickok45. Excellent video. Great advice. Shoot what you feel comfortable with. Practice a lot.
H 45 you have the best features of Elmer Kieth....Skeeter SKELTON...Bill Jorden...rolled into one....Old school is the way brother... I'm with you all the way....
A lot of times bad guy just seeing you have a gun is enough to stop the aggression...
eventually you may run into the bad guy that it isn't enough to stop though!
What's best is what's in your hands when you need it. 😮
Well said, brother.
As Hickok just said, there is not only the right bullet placement, because there are other factors like the stamina and strength of the person.
I've just remembered the tragic murder of the beautiful singer and dancer Selena by Yolanda Zaldivar when she was shot in the heart with a 38 caliber at extremely short distance, but Selena was able for her great physical condition to run the street away from Yolanda yelling for help until she tragically passed.
So you are a fanboy and like guns. I'm sure theres some other gun channel that caters to you
she was shot in the clavicle buddy
بارك الله فيك مستر هيكوك ٤٥. GOD bless you Mr hickok 45
What I've noticed about a law enforcement response to a lethal threat, is that officers typically count on multiple rounds, fired quickly, to neutralize a suspect's
ability to cause harm. If 4 or 5 or more bullets strike the suspect, it significantly reduces the problem of bullet placement from the equation. The choice of bullet caliber thus becomes secondary.
I agree with Jim , stopping power counts more to me in self defense than lethality.
Great advice. Glad you didn’t pretend to answer this question for all responsible firearms owners and the self- defense situations they might face. Be confident. Be fast (enough). Be accurate. Be ready.
Some years ago, I ordered an IWB holster for my Charter Arms Bulldog. As the holster maker and I discussed my requirements, he opined that, as a retired NYPD detective who had worked the "Son of Sam" murders in the mid '70s, I had chosen an "adequate defence round". I took that as a meaningful endorsement.
Actually, a few of the victims of those shootings survived.
Remember, you are responsible to account for all seeds your freedom spreader delivers. Make sure the recipient only receives the seeds, not everything next or behind said recipient. Alot of decisions to be made in a fraction of a second. Mental hopscotch/calm reserve/focus before any physical actions, well except breathing 😊
True! And it’s not mentioned often enough. Exactly why I don’t understand why anyone would use an AR in a home defense situation. Especially with FMJ ammo!! You’ll shoot someone 5 blocks away!
@@timburton95145.56 55gr ball will penetrate less building material than pistol caliber JHP ammunition.
@@timburton9514 Myth
No. Make sure you don't die. That's number 1
Depending on what I am wearing, I carry either a 1911 45 ACP with Liberty Civil Defense (78g, 1900 FPS, Frangible), or a.380 with Liberty Civil Defense (50gr, 1500 FPS, Frangible). They also make a 50g, 2040 FPS, Frangible for 9mm lovers. Low recoil, reduced over-penetration, massive damage - great ammo. I agree with most of what Hickock said, with the exception of 22 short. I had a friend that had to shoot someone in self defense with a 22 short. He was wearing a thick leather vest, and the bullet just bounced off. He never carried that gun again.
Miserable rounds 👎
Excellent advice. Thanks for sharing your ideas.
I try not to overthink this too much. The self defense rounds I carry are either Speer Gold Dots or Federal HST. Both being the 9mm 124 grain +p variety. I think those have been pretty well proven rounds. Lot’s of different rounds out there. But I see no need to change. For home defense, it’s my trusty 1964 Remington 870 with Federal Flight control. Again. I don’t overthink this stuff. Aim small, miss small. Shot placement for sure.
127g ranger T +p+ 😅😅 🎉 124g HST is my second choice. Depending on gun
I've never shot a firearm in my life but maybe I can still add something. I'd argue that law enforcement is probably the one job where you are placed in lethal self defense situations the most often. These people do learn from trial and sometimes rather tragic error. I would assume it's probably safe to say that using whatever the cops have is the best idea in 99% of situations any normal civilian could find themselves in
This makes good sense. The police around here use .40, 9, 10, and .357 sig. all effective in self defense deployment.
Great presentation and the absolute right answer to the question posed.
And practice, practice, practice!
I know a guy that has 40 plus years of law. Enforcement in a major city. He carries a 22 magnum airweight, using critical defense.
So in 4 decades he’s learned nothing.
@@rifleshooterchannel208😂
Experience doesn't mean intelligence
@rifleshooterchannel208 what have you learned ? Tell me about your experiences with a 22 mag and people getting shot. Is it true that you were shot with a 22 mag, and it bounced off your head and body without effect ? Wow, maybe you're right !
@@chuckdavis1323 Nonsense argument.
A Gamo 1000 pellet gun is lethal.
Would you recommend using one for home defense over a 12 gauge or AR15?
That is the best commen sense for that topic I've found on u-tube...that was a refreshing trip to the woods..thank you....😎
My prefer carry rounds are the Hornady Critical Defence and Federal Personal Defence.
9mm, 327 and 32 H&R.
I have critical defense in 32 H & R.
Common question, perfect answer!
The best defense round is the one that stops the threat ... which is entirely determined by shot placement.
That’s why I use a BB gun, perfect shot placement every time easily.
Shot placement> power
@oblivionpro69 way to be ridiculous. There is such a thing as minimum penetration. A .22lr has it. A BB gun does not Let's just eliminate anything that doesn't break the skin like most BB air rifles, nerf guns, rubber band launchers and your mom.
@@svbarryduckworth628A .177 pellet rifle can send somebody to the hospital..
In order of importance.
1. Choose options you would actually carry.
2. Evaluate reliability when used by you.
3. Evaluate accuracy and speed when used by you
The winner will be marked with appropriate cartridge.
@@svbarryduckworth628 the FBI ballistics tests would prove that a 22LR does not have adequate penetration for a viable self-defense round. There is absolutely such thing as Minimum penetration, use the right gun and caliber for the job. Could you take down a deer or a bear with a 5.56? absolutely but it's not recommended because it will not drop a deer nearly as reliable as a 308, 270, 30-30, 30-06. As for human targets the same could be said for 22 vs 9mm in self-defense circumstances.
And it's simple as a round may not even need to be used because naturally no one or anything wants to be hit with a round. Sometimes that will stop a threat as well.
I have often wondered why people put such focus on which defensive round. It is similar to round count in your firearm. Most occurrences take 2-3 rounds, so why does someone need 17. I am not opposed to having 15+ rounds, just curious as to why the emphasis on having it. With caliber, why do you need 9mm, 10mm, 357mag etc., when a 22LR or 32 ACP will actually work. Again, not opposed to a higher caliber, I normally carry a 40 S&W. If you enjoy toting a 50 cal. Desert Eagle, go for it.
The better question than what is best for defense is what is enough. What firearm will allow you to function in your daily life and feel comfortable. Hickock45 keeps referring to a 22 or 32. A large number of 380 ACPs and other lower power caliber firearms are used every day and perform their role as needed. If you look at gel tests which are all over RUclips many defensive rounds / calibers work sufficiently, and those that are noted as not working as well is due to expansion issues. Shot placement matters more with lower power rounds.
The firearm and ammunition industry are happy to keep putting out new rounds and new firearms. In the end they are tools, buy the ones that will work for your situation and skill.
My nephew is still too small for a 9mm pistol at the range. He uses .22LR and I try to maintain his confidence as well as his respect for firearms by saying that people didn't suddenly become bullet-proof overnight.
Shot placement is almost always the most important consideration.
Excellent talk!
The best round is the one you can practice with. My wife and I have several we practice with. Options are good to have.
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A good point on actual rounds may be police and military use. 9mm, .40 cal etc.
The best firearm? The best calibre? The best first aid kit? The one you have in your hand when your need it.
That is the dumbest answer I have ever heard. Like asking someone what is the best car to buy, and they say, the one already in the driveway.
@@timhallas4275 The point of the comment flew _way_ over your head. If I were to "fix" your analogy, it is more like asking about the best car to buy and given a list of options, because, as the comment was trying to point out, _the best option changes based on circumstance and need of the individual asking or having something is better than having nothing._
@@alwaysamongdragons7354 You seem to have read into that comment, way more than what is there. He's basically saying that the one you have is the best choice because it's the one you already have. He is simply avoiding the question.... and so are you.
@@timhallas4275 No, no I haven't. No I am not. And neither is he. I don't know how you have gone this long without hearing someone saying this before, effectively meaning that the question of having a caliber at all is more important than which one you choose. It is exemplifying that there is no best caliber or best round that works for every last person on Earth because if you hand someone that can't handle recoil a 45 they might miss every shot and they may as well have not had a gun in the first place. Thus: the best caliber is the one that works for you. Reading between the lines is not your strong suit.
@@timhallas4275 So if you had only a .22lr and you needed it in a self defense situation are you--
1) Going to use it which means the one you have in hand
or
2) Say this isn't the right gun/caliber and tell the aggressor, hey hold on, I don't have the right gun/caliber, give me about 2 hrs and I'll be right back.
It’s a very easy question to answer. Whichever caliber and out whichever firearm you can put the most shots on target at center mass the fastest and at the most rapid rate of fire possible is the best self defense round for you.
I think Doc Holliday said it best "Speed is good, but accuracy is final."
I carry the same thing I practice with every weekend: quality 115gr ball. Billy won’t stop to discern your ammo selection if you are putting effective rounds on target.
Ball ammo is under rated. I don't carry it but it'll do the job for sure
@@JT-mg9pd millions of people kia in 20th Century wars and street fights
I’ve been thinking that lately. With the way groups of criminals act now fmj might be best for barriers and such.
The big problem is over penetration and the possibility of hitting an innocent behind the perp. That would be very bad. You would not want me on your jury if that were to happen.
@@LTVoyagerSo you would convict a man for defending himself.
Got it.
It is shot placement that matters. Practice with whatever you carry and get that muscle memory working for you.
As its always been said, the one you will carry, everyday, all day, that's comfortable, and that you can hit with, is wayyyy better than nothing.....
You just explained the defense round argument pretty much the same way I do. I tell people all the time, learn how to shoot then, caliber doesn't matter.
On the North American continent my top 2 choices for 4 legged threats among long guns would be a semi-automatic 12 gauge shotgun or semi-automatic rifle chambered in 30 06. As far as handguns I’d still opt for one of the large caliber revolvers. 2 legged threats however any firearm should suffice assuming the assailant isn’t armored up.
Hickok you know what you're saying in this video as well.
Ken Hackthorn said the best ammo is what you have in your handgun when the fighting starts
Great subject, thanks for addressing it. I would think the answer is whatever the shooter can most confidently bring into action and put on target in a life-or-death situation. Would be interested to hear what those who have, have to say about the subject.
An excellent and well thought-out presentation.
I saw a guy with 14 rounds in him from a 9mm, who was still coming at the cops. One well placed .22LR between the eyes can stop someone dead in their tracks, so to speak. No matter what caliber I carry, I just make sure that the gun has a mag that carries many rounds. I prefer 9mm for my every day carry gun since it holds 17+1, and I also carry 2 extra mags with it. A .22LR can be just as effective as long as you have 'enough' rounds. I would rather carry a .22LR with a 20 round magazine than carry a 9mm with only 7 rounds in the mag. But that is just me, as I'm sure everyone has their own choice, but I will say this, there is NOTHING worse than running out of ammo during a gunfight, knowing that you could survive if you only had more bullets. Not a good feeling at all...
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Maximum potential to stop the action, minimal potential to cause collateral damage.
On Colin Noirs Channel is a storry about an 85y old lady that shot an intruder. She had a 357 Mag und he a 9mm Beretta. He dumped his mag and hit her 4 times arm,leg, chest and stomach. She shot and hit him only two times but he didnt even made it out of her house and died there. She survived. Yes there are no magik bullets but some might be better.
Intimate Fear of Death or Grave Bodily Injuries. I get it turned around, but close enough for now. Many people could die or become disabled by a Full Adrenaline Charge. Anxiety can cause trouble for anyone in a situation of self defense.
Training and preparations are needed and it is not easygoing. I care!!!!
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I appreciate these chats more than the shooting.
Officer Mark Coates died when he received a shot from a 22 l.r. in the armpit that hit his heart after he had shot the assailant 5 times in the chest with a 357 magnum this happened in I think 1992 in South Carolina!
I don't think there is a best, only trade offs.
In 2009 I was forced to defend my family. At 3 am two armed men came to the ranch kicked in our front door to rob and harm us. In the shooting that took place, I was armed with an old Llamma 1911, 9mm loaded with 115gr FMJ. The autopsy on the one who passed away showed that both of the rounds fired went through his sternum, heart, spine, and the wall of our home before lodging in a tree outside.
At one time the .357magnum 125gr Nyclad bullet was the most lethal, the most highly rated handgun round per the FBI.
True, but the muzzle blast from the 125gr loads is horrendous.
You accurately predicted all the "anecdotal" responses in the comment section. LOL. My guess is that industry marketing has a lot to do with this. When you live in a "blue state" like I do, it is easily understood that a civilian, self defense firearm encounter outside the home, only involves stopping or breaking contact with the bad guy, and that is the extent of it. Anything more will essentially ruin your own life in the legal system.
I don't think anyone has ever come up with an example, anecdotal or not, of 22lr failing in this regard as long as at least one shot is on target. Edit: I believe the Greg Elfritz study designates "failing to stop" as not stopping an attacker withing 5 feet. This is entirely arbitrary IMO. A more realistic standard would be saving your life.
In my opinion , 12ga 00buck first round, 2nd round 1oz slug. 6