The 2025 Ineos Grenadier Quartermaster Is The Coolest Truck In America!
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- Опубликовано: 16 июн 2024
- Today we’re in Palm Springs driving the newest truck in America! It’s called the Quartermaster, and it’s coming from an unexpected place: Hambach, France. Yep, that’s where the newest Ineos will be built, right alongside the boxy Grenadier SUV.
As you’d expect, Ineos basically took a Grenadier, hacked off the cargo area, and stretched the frame 21.5 inches to accommodate the 61.5 inch long bed. (The wheelbase grows around 12 inches.) The result is something that’s… well, frankly fantastic. As long as you love boxy looks that is. Also: it looks like it’s ready to invade a small country if you get the available canvas cargo cover…
Power comes from the same 3.0L BMW engine as the Grenadier and it makes the same 282 horsepower. Solid axles happen front and rear, and the same 2-speed transfer case as the Grenadier is here as well. That means full time 4WD, and a true center differential that can be in 4Lo while unlocked. Yes, open diffs all the way around in 4Lo. That means no binding in the driveline unless you need to lock the center which can easily be done when needed. The downside? Fuel economy. This is rated for 14 MPG combined according to the EPA.
Now about that bed: It’s not 4-feet wide between the wheel wells, but you can put 4-foot wide things on top of the wheel arches if you need to because the rest of the bed is 63.7 inches wide. This puts this width above than the average midsize truck, but not quite in F-150 territory.
Payload comes in at a solid 1,845 pounds and towing capacity is the highest in the mid-sized segment at 7,716 lbs. (It barely edged out its soulmate, the Jeep Gladiator.)
Pricing? Well, it’s not cheap. This starts at $86,900… That’s less than I had expected, but it does make sense as trucks not made in N. America are subject to a steep 25% import tariff. (Don’t worry, Ineos is paying that, but it’s the main reason we never get the cool trucks from elsewhere in the world.) That also explains the rather exclusive $115,000 top end pricing, but until Mercedes makes is a G-Wagen truck, (Mercedes Kastenwagen? K-Wagen anyone?) this might be closest you can get…
Before you ask, no, we’re not buying one 😂
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I blame US as enthusiasts. If I were building a truck for myself, I'd build it just like this - few frills, bulletproof, fixable, durable. And then I'd find out it cost $100k and gets 14mpg, and I'd wouldn't buy it! The other irony is like many fancy cars, this tank is built to last forever - but the poor man won't get to enjoy that as he can't afford something that lasts forever. And the guy that can afford it would never work on his own truck or keep it for 40 years. Oh cruel irony, you fickle mistress!
Opposite in most every way of the Cybertruck......this is waaaaay cooler !!!
Great review.
I've owned my Grenadier for 5 months, driven all types of road surfaces, to include adventure travel.
Everyone talks about the steering being vague and annoying. I don't find this the case. After a few months it feels natural on pavement, and even better off pavement.
The audible speed warning clicking is very annoying. But after a software update from my dealer, I've went into the menu and deactivated it and have never had to deactivate it a second time. Initially I had to go thru the menu after every start.
I would not buy either the wagon or pickup if I were not going to use the vehicle as it is intended. It's not close to the comfort level of my 2024 Land Rover Defender but overall I enjoy this truck very much
“You don’t pay it, [chicken tax] ineos pays it…” Of course you pay it! They just pass it along to the consumer!
Got a Grenadier dealership 5 minutes from me. Gonna go check these out.
Poor Alex's kidneys lool
I just saw the SUV version in traffic on the 78 yesterday!
Props for mentioning Citroen!
Alex, Ineos likes to name their vehicles with military themes. For the USA they ought to have called this the 'Colonel' rather than the Quartermaster. With the "Finger Lickin' Good" 25% Chicken Tax added to the already high price, a reference to Colonel Sanders would have been appropriate. 😉 Now that the impregnable Chicken Tax barrier has been breached, it is time for Toyota to bring over the Land Cruiser 79 Pickup and the Hilux Workmate or bring back the T100 .🐓🐔
I see Toyota bringing the Hilux to the US as they already sell it in Mexico. However, they might need to discontinue the Tacoma (their bestselling truck? That won't happen). The 79 series though...it won't pass US safety regulations in its current state. For them to bring that, they're going to extensively modify or completely redesign it and then price it just below the GX550 or Sequioa...too expensive for what should be a "basic" offroad SUV/pickup truck.
@@damilolaakanni the current taco is probably way bigger than the hilux, so i don't think it would be a problem
Maybe a future version of the Hilux, but it would be prohibitively expensive to federalize the current model. I like the idea of the LC 70 series, but I think the ride and cost would find limited sales. Again, a 70 series would sell for over $100k if you had to federalize it and probably have a gas engine. They sell ~10-15k in the world right now.
@@LukeChiao If Ineos can afford to start a car company from scratch, Toyota can afford to meet our standards. The 70 Series Land Cruisers are sold with the 4.0 V6 we had for years and the Hilux Workmate comes with the famous 2.7 engine we had for decades. The new T100 can be built on the TNGA-F platform. Hino could build it alongside the new Land Cruiser 1958 and send it over to us on the same ships.
Excellent review, Alex. I love the truck! Can't wait to see them on the road.
As soon as I saw that you have to check your speed in the center screen, it ruled this car out. I had this in a previous car and it is super frustrating. Big miss - I get the cost cutting but you could do something like a modular heads up display so you don’t have to keep turning your head to check speed.
you don't have to check your speed there because the Grenadier gives out an annoying beep if you go over the posted speed limit. problem solved.
This is absolutely the best
Love how tough it looks
This thing is crazy!
Nice truck!
3.0L I6 sounds awesome
Thanks for the review/overview 👍
People say the BMW B58 is one of the more reliable BMW engines. As long as they didn’t place the timing chain in the back of the engine and use plastic timing chain guides you should be good to go.
Great vehicles. Tough and very reliable to date. We are looking to use in our fleet for PV installation installations and maintenance. Robust simpler technology and fix ability helps you understand self reliance and the importance of knowledge.
Great fair review and love that color ! Know it is not designed to be the best tow pickup in the mid size but would love to see how it does . Have seen some aussie tow test but all super off road . Do like the looks of both trucks a lot just need a bit more money in the fun fund .
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Oddly, I just saw a Grenadier wagon on the road in my neighborhood earlier this week.
If only I had FU money! Very cool truck!
Spare wheel should have gone on the bonnet (hood). With all of the flaws with the Ineos vehicles they’re all highly compelling
21:27 Don’t think the suspension was made for that. It’s more of a rock crawler than a baja truck.
Here’s my problem with this: it doesn’t have anything the Gladiator doesn’t other than bigger payload and slightly bigger towing. Which I’ll grant you the payload in particular would be really nice, but there are just too many tradeoffs. From a limited dealer network, to boonies repairs, the weird dash that personally would drive me nuts, the speed warning, the mpgs (I drive modded Gladiator so it’s not like I care that much, but modded I get 14, this thing starts at 14 before mods and at some point it is so bad that it affects your trips), the spare location, small tires that are still unknown about 35s and bigger, no disconnecting swaybar, and that back seat- pretty much useless- might as well just offer a rear seat delete from the factory And then we get to price. Did you give the price of that one and I missed it? By time you equip it with the minimum stuff required to use it as advertised you are at almost $100K. I’ll stick with my Gladiator thanks.
Jeep is definitely not happy, another very direct competitor with the midsize offroader. They definitely need to offer a trailer brake controller and get that price down. Hopefully they get enough sales to build a U.S. plant.
Jeep has nothing to worry about. The market for Ineos is very small. Only trucks they have to fear are the Tacoma, Colorado, and Frontier since they’re all extremely capable off-road and better values (in Toyotas case as they’re more now, indestructible basically).
@@KNRS927 You say that now like it's set in stone. This is a brand new company with premium pricing. But if they start to scale, it can be very different in 10 years.
@@AceEverett And there’s no guarantee they will even scale considering how hard it is to start a car company and the amount of car companies that have gone bust lately. Even rivian might run out cash before R2 deliveries start. As for this car, the market for this car is so small. It’s basically for the guy who craves the feel of old school defender/G class and is willing to spend 80k+ on a new one over getting a retro defender/g class and that seems like a very small market. Plus way more money than a gladiator or its competitors like Colorado, Tacoma, and frontier. Not really anything Jeep has to worry about.
@@KNRS927 Not that far off. They've got lots of Gladiators asking 70k. Also have to remember the tow capacity of those vehicles.
Jeep isn't worried because the price tag of the Ineos puts it in an entirely different category.
Are you going to test the BYD Shark in Mexico?
Alex will be one of the 100 people who will own one of these.
No, the price tag is just too high. If it was at least $40,000 lower I'd get one.
@@AAutoBuyersGuide I agree. Get yourself a nice Crown Signia XLE as your next test vehicle. 😁
@@rightlanehog3151the crown isn’t that good. I’d steer him to the Santa Fe hybrid as it’s far more interesting
@naveenthemachine, u haven't seen carconfections video about their ownership of the new santa fe, huh?
@@AAutoBuyersGuide You bought one, but in SUV form. Sorry, I meant any Grenadier.
Dang! Looks like the landrover defender of old. Even the font looks the same.
If this expensive 6 banger is smaller than a Tacoma, which is a compact truck, this is also a compact
This would be perfect if you could replace the engine with the old Toyota 4.7 liter V8, talk about bullet proof, it was the engine that took that Tundra 1m miles. This bmw engine is going to get pricey to maintain starting around 120k miles.
"an actual center differential"
Just like the 2017 Ford Escape?
A 5.1liter Detroit Diesel engine would be much more suited for this thing or a good option at least !
I would love to see GM's 3.0L inline 6 diesel. I think that would be a worthwhile pairing.
@@AAutoBuyersGuide Sadly its not as good as other legendary GM engines ! The Cummins 2.8 would be much more suited and reliable.
@@AAutoBuyersGuide I didn't see that coming😉😉
Love your taste in music, great song
I saw three of these heading north through British Columbia up the Cassiar Highway about two weeks ago. Awesome look. It has the appearance of a brute that can travel to the end of the Earth and make it home. If it had a proper diesel engine and the proper trans, it most definitely would. Putting spare(s) up high would be great if that was a “swept side” bed; remember the older trucks where it was mounted in the indentations between the cab and rear wheels?
While I’m not current in the market for a vehicle at that price point, I will definitely keep my eye out on longevity and viability as a pre-owned option in the future - such a seemingly incredible rig, especially in terms of its aesthetics.
Sass! 6:45
Half ton powered by turbo inline six made by BMW... what could go wrong?
B58 is the most reliable engine they have made thats why its in everything
I hope they lower the price. It is too expensive!
If you're worried about engine repair costs, it's a BMW.
Not what I wanted to hear. Also, the mileage is pathetic.
Deffinatley not a vehicle you would get just to flex.
Looks pretty cool, but too much money for what you are getting. I normally wouldn't use the words reliability and Jeep in the same sentence, but I'd take my chances with a Stellantis product before something like this with such a limited dealer network.
I want this but electric with an LFP battery.
The range is gonna be terrible. I think whats ideal is a hybrid
@@rishinarang9966 Not ture. Today's EVs have excellent range. Range isn't the issue. Give it may 100kWh or so, an 800V battery architecture, and LFP chemistry and it would be amazing.
@@heymike7037 No here is the problem, the car is not aerodynamic making it extremely inefficient. A 100kwh battery will give it a little over 200 miles, as the new electric g-class is more aerodynamic than this and it gets around 250 with a 118kwh battery pack.
@@rishinarang9966 You can't know any of those numbers so that's all just speculation on your part. There are many things they can do to give it a lower drag coefficient so you can't just claim it will have terrible range and then back it up with numbers you make up. My point is that I would like an electric version of this vehicle with an LFP battery. They can make it have a long enough range with some clever engineering. What I'm asking for is not impossible or even unrealistic. It's totally doable if they wanted to.
@@heymike7037 Your useless point about "clever engineering" is even more theoretical, especially with LFP batteries. It would need solid state.
and Subaru decided in 2006 that this Ute/Pickup was dead. Now we have Maverick/Santa Fe, and now we have this SUV/Ute.
this thing is a completely different size compared to the three you mentioned…
It's a nice truck, but I would still take the Colorado Trail Boss.
It'd be really cool if it got good gas mileage.
Slow, not so good suspension, obscure brand. Enough to avoid.
looks like junk to me.
This is how a man’s truck supposed to look,
Land Rover is going to Regret not doing this 😂
This is absolutely dumb. Below average.
This car salesman is not very convincing
how ugly can they get? competing with Hyundai in design excellence :) :)
It's not a fashion car, it's designed to be functional, that is the point.