Tommy, dissing the fact that it cant do over the air updates, me Thank god someone is bucking the system and thinks the car does not have to be connected to the internet and spy on you.
Tommy’s rant at the end was spot on. Because of the import tax and the pricing this places you in the territory of TRD pro, raptor, rhino, TRX , Gladiator rubicon, ZO2, 4TX. Looks like a good truck but no one should spend that amount of money on that vehicle…20-30k more than the ones listed above….just no.
I disagree, they have 20 dealerships in the US and Canada? That could mean you're a 24+ hour drive from one... OTA updates don't have to be always online, touchscreen only cars. It could be as simple as hotspot your phone and get it updated with that, then disconnect and keep going.
All of the dealerships are in big metropolitan areas. I will argue that the vast majority of the US population lives within 2-3 hours drive at max from one of these 20+ dealerships. There are two dealers within 2 hours of me in opposite directions.
Still not so cool it uses GPS to track you and likely documents driving over the speed limit in an internal black box. Maybe someone can put a faraday cage around that GPS receiver or something to prevent it from doing that.
@@is6566 4 hours of driving to do a software update. Yeah, no. Give me the over the air updates. There's nothing stopping them from implementing the OTA updates in a morally responsible way instead of just deleting the feature.
Its a first edition car for the specially interested so I don't think you can bash the price too much, fans will buy it anyways. Kudos to Ineos for sticking to their goals and not go mainstream
For the cost it needs to be insanely better at everything compared to a gladiator, and it simply doesn’t. The only cars that get a pass for price are insanely limited sports cars that are meant to be collectible, not used like this truck.
One thing we have to remember about the price is that in this truck size level, Ineos is actually dealing with the chicken tax. That seriously needs to go away.
@@Master-Blaster-4x4 Pretty much. Now you know why we in Europe dont drive trucks. People love them, but when you convert the dollar to a euro in a 1:1 (which is not correct but they do it anyway)+ 22% or more tax + shipping and the greedy dealers, these things cost like a Lamborghini 👍 .That is why Ford and similar brands mostly offer the low /mid end range of their vehicles and we also get bombarder with the EV joke from china . Toyota and Mitsubishi are probably the only good offload options we have here .
The crazy thing is that there are people who are trying to have the speed limit warning made mandatory for all cars in the US. That's waaaay too much Karen!
Yeah, I’m fairly liberal, but I can’t get behind nanny warnings on vehicles. Just wait 20 more years, when the vehicles are driving for us & then the speeds will be dealt with by the car’s computer. I won’t care if I’m sitting there, watching a movie on my phone while my car drives me around & the car itself doesn’t need any audible warnings, since it doesn’t have ears, lol. Until then, there’s no need for that kinda stuff.
@@goldenageofdinosaurs7192Hate to be that person but you're getting what you vote for. Disclaimer: I am not left or right, just making an observation.
I like the one in the Ram when it can be programmed. I set to warn me when I was at least over 10mph over the posted. Sometimes these small towns drop it from 55 to 35 real quick and you don't notice it.
I was thinking the exact same thing. Probably would have to shift the exhaust though. If they aren't gonna put the tire back there, might as well fill it with something useful. Especially at 14 mpgs
@@meanP90 it’s probably the same frame as the wagon, but with the extension for the bed. So to save money I bet they didn’t put a tire mount under the bed because it is mounted to the back of the rear door.
Hello Tommy. Thanks for your great review as always. I understand that you normally will consider 4x4 offroaders after offroading as entertainment because lot of people in the US are using them for this. But in many European countries we are not allowed fo0r motorized driving in forests, mountains or fields outside public roads. And engineers like me and contracters who are allowed for offroad driving to reach worksites, have much of the same requirements. I have sometimes been dreaming of a Land Cruiser dobbelt cabiner pickup model, because such a vehicle could save me for bringing a trailer in many of my projects, and in my work such a vehicle would be more importent for me than the reduced brake over angle and turning radius which of course is importend for the hard core off roaders. Thanks. Best Regards from Arne in Norway
Chicken like tax goes the other way as well. In the Philippines, I was looking at a new RAM Rebel for over 100K USD (US Spec about $60K) due to their 40% tax for non-ASEAN factory built vehicles. I decided instead on a Thailand built next-gen Ranger Raptor for about $45K USD instead.
I’m traveling this week, and my rental was a Jeep Gladiator. While driving around town, I kept hearing this metal on metal clunking from the rear. When I climbed under it, I noticed a bracket attached to the swaybar had a broken weld. I had to call the rental company and ditched it immediately. Couldn’t believe it and I took a pic as proof.
Great video. The clicks, beeps, bings, and bongs would be a dealbreaker for me. Every new vehicle i have been interested in over the last 2 years is too electronic, too many screens, too many nannies, too expensive, etc. guess i am keeping my old Land Cruiser 200.
@@bk27117 My guess is I’m atleast 10 years and 150k miles away from any significant repair on my 200, based on my experience with my other Land Cruisers. My 1998 100, that I have owned since new, has been reliable with no major repairs over the last 26 years / 460k miles. It’s all about maintenance.
@@bk27117luckily it's only ~6k and a day's work to replace the transmission, and that's with a built unit from IPT. Then you're good for another 250-350k. Seems worth it to keep a better suv on the road.
While its not my kind of truck, I figure its a vehicle for the Gladiator owner who needs to drive 400 miles a day. Ultimately the Gladiator will be slightly better off road though. There are four Grenadiers (three SUV and one truck) that I regularly see near my home and those that have purchased them were all previously long term owners of LR Defenders. From what I can see where I live they are being sold to farmers who need to max out its towing capacity on and off road and who need to drive through a lot of mud in winter.
Okay, so first up: I like your channels. I subscribed most of them. Now , I live in Europe, where this truck is built. But I think you have a much too narrow point of view. 1 - This truck is sold worldwide and has to function worldwide. Look at all those rural regions outside the US and you won't find your TRD's, Raptor's or whatever outside of city boundaries. Those trucks are built and sold for the US and Canada, not for Africa, Europe or South America. 2 - Because the EU has different laws, all new vehicles sold in the EU have to have a speed warning, which you have to shut off after every new start. This also applies to US trucks sold in the EU. And the speed limit in the rest of the world is lower than in the US and EU and the roads aren't that good either. 3 - Electronics and so called " LUXURY requirements " like electric seats with ventilation aren't really useful for those areas for which Ineos built this truck for. 4 - And YEAH: the " Chicken Tax " is a joke. Some companies like Toyota built factories to avoid it, but most other car manufacteries couldn't care less for competing in a globally uninteresting niché model. So, please: I know you love your Trucks, especially those midsize and large ones. But you will not find a Gladiator in an african desert or in the pampas of Argentine. You will find Toyota and the early Defender. Just simple and reliable. So please try to be a little bit more objective for the world outside the " North American Territories "😉😜! Keep on streaming !👍👌
Kudos to Ineos for bringing the passion project to life. It takes a lot of guts to eschew the bean counters opinions and say "We don't care, we're doing what's right, no compromises.". I give them credit for that.
The break your thumbs thing is such a ridiculous justification of the sub-par steering. Has anyone seen dozens of Toyota, jeep or land rover drivers walking around with broken thumbs??
Oh. Tommy I have a 2019 ZR2 with the Duramax and all, I mean all, the available AEV components including high mark fender flares to clear 35’s with no lift. The only thing keeping me from trading it in on a quartermaster is the diesel engine which has been magic. If you pay More than $91,500+- for a Quartermaster you bought too much junk not suited for its purpose. But I’m not sure what you mean that “it has to be good”. Good like Colorado that you can’t drive through a car wash without collapsing the roof. Good like a Tacoma that breaks the first time off road. Good like a Tundra that has thousands of trucks with engine replacement recalls. The fact is those trucks don’t matter and the only thing you have to ask is the Quartermaster better enough than the Gladiator to justify the increased cost. To my mind resoundingly, YES!
There’s a guy in my town with the station wagon version. Really a cool looking car. Thank you to the billionaire who made this a reality. The engine was a good move the b58 was codeveloped with Toyota. They twisted bmws arm to make sure it was up to Toyota spec. Probably the last great bmw inline 6.
Down the street from my office there is a dealership that sells Maserati and Ferrari. Recently they just started to sell these beasts as well. It almost looks like they swapped out the Maserati sales for these things. They have so many on the lot. This and the previous video have been very informative. I was wondering what the heck these were. Now I know. Thanks!
Very satisfied Grenadier owner here. I just don’t think the Quartermaster will take off in the US - certainly not with the chicken tax (although I hear they’re looking into US production options) - but I think even without the tax, it wouldn’t be a huge hit. It just doesn’t check enough US truck boxes (bed size, hauling capacity, etc etc) to purely play in the truck category - so then it’s an OFFROAD truck, but really more of an overland truck . . . you see the problem. And it doesn’t have the versatility of a Grenadier. So it’s a niche of a niche of a niche - at a crazy high price. Probably useful to game wardens in Africa though! Honestly even my Ineos dealer is skeptical.
Do you think they will bring the utility (2-seater with room in the back end) station wagon into the USA? It has a substantially lower price in the UK than the regular Grenadier station wagon.
What are you talking about? It's a midsize truck. And as a midsize it meets or beats the competition. It's got towing capacity of like 7716 lbs, and payload of about 1600+ if memory serves. That's more than or equal to the competition. Bed size and cab size, are minor issues, they're to he expected in this segment. I think the main problem is the upfront cost and the fuel economy.
@@meanP90 Basically equal to the competition (which is essentially a failure for this vehicle's use case and primary design intent), while being way more expensive, worse to drive, worse to get services, less features, worse on gas, and a horrible range (also a design intent failure). The whole vehicle is a mess as a product in the NA market.
@@is6566zero chance - unless they can move production into NAM. The whole point on the commercial fleet offering is affordability and durability- but all commercial configurations AND trucks are hit with the chicken tax. I also just can’t see it succeeding in the US as a commercial platform, chicken tax notwithstanding.
@@meanP90it’s a 5’ bed - AND has the spare in the bed. It’s not going to be a hauler in the US - ever. It’s an off-road option - but again, even there, it’s more overlanding. So as I said, a niche of a niche. It’s an “open bed overlanding off-roader.” Maybe in Europe and Africa and Australia it will fly - not in the US. And remember, I LOVE my Grenadier and want Ineos to be wildly successful. Quartermaster just isn’t going to make it in the US. That was too far a stretch for them.
@@HelicopterDad-u5bdo you think that is unique? 😂 plenty of countries in Europe have similar speed limits, and some have higher. 85 mph speed limits are the exception in the US and not the norm at all.
Lol the fact that there’s articles out there claiming that most Americans are in favor of the speed limit bing bong feature in all new cars should tell you all you need to know about the media these days.
I'm constantly filling my washer fluid reservoir. Like every other week. We have a lot of bugs in my area and the flat glass is a magnet for them. I saw the low washer fluid warning when Tommy was driving.
It's a super cool rig, but I'll be honest I am not totally sure why anyone would pick this thing over a gladiator or any of the off-road trim pick-ups in the USA. It can tow more which is cool and technically has more power but for the cost it's just real hard to justify unless you got a bunch of extra cash on hand. This feels like a vehicle you pick for a very specific reason vs general off-road utility. I would put this in the same vein as a Land Cruiser. Low volume, nails it specific niche perfectly, costs a boat load. Time will tell if these things are worthy of some legendary stories like the Land Cruiser. Wishing Ineos the best on this one!
If you are comparing this to a Gladiator you are completely missing the point of this vehicle. Sure it looks like a smaller bed offroader but its rocking 1 ton axels and you can leave the dealer with 1 ton beefy axels, winch, lift, second battery system, safari windows, a German engine, g class grade build for likely less than it would cost you to buy a gladiator and modify it to have 1 ton axels with lockers and a winch and all of the other stuff, and at the end of the day it will still be a jeep and none of that stuff will be covered under warranty. When comparing prices of this you are trying to fir it into the low range category of consumer trucks. Compare this to an actual raptor or bronco raptor or g wagon or new Lexus GX or any other truck with 1 ton axels and you start to see that this isn't priced as bad as you might think for what you get.
No chicken tax in Australia but we have plenty of other taxes. Quartermaster is A$110k vs. RAM 1500 A$120k but here the competition is the Landcruiser 79 supposedly $80k but good luck finding one at that price.
Holy crap! The price is outlandish. I have a Gladiator Overland with a Rockridge build and it was 6k lower than the base on this. 6k more and I could've had the diesel but they were just to hard to get at the time. It's a hard no for this thing
Ya, and for $6K why would you want nearly double the payload, full floating rear axle, double cardan front axle, pitman arm drag link and tie rod that looks like it came out of a one ton truck, a frame so robust it likely won’t bend in half trailering off-road like gladiator and Colorado, unmatched electrical options including 500 amp at the rear, massive roof capacity……………I mean why would you do that?
@@SaltShack basically because I don't need any of that. I have a BMW and a F250 king ranch. This and the gladiator will never be a legit truck with payloayand towing capacity
@@jameshenderson9830 It’s not a space shuttle either. Comparing it to what it’s not nor intended to be then complaining about the price because you have a super duty king ranch is not valuable to the discussion. Is the Quartermaster worth the extra money compared to the Gladiator? And you must consider all that extra money goes to the US Treasury to keep our Border Secure and all of us safe from the odd pandemic, so there’s that.
@@SaltShack do you own one? Maybe you can change my opinion on ownership experience. I over paid for my Gladiator and have always been honest with my opinion
Yeaaaa.... nah. Woulda been nice to have kept the same wheelbase with a shorter bed. That tail hangover isn't cool for an offroader. Need them angles. Also, need a sliding rear window to use for camper shells and what not so can use the cab heat or a/c if needed. Rear safari roof windows... or better yet pop out roof panels for front rear... so can go topless like bronco/jeep. Then could have modular safari window panels if wanted.
I’d take it any day over any of the other midsized trucks for reliable (apart from the Toyota), but also for everything else it offers. Plus, they won’t be here long, so buying it now is a future investment
Gladiator is worse? Yep. But for $75k, you can buy a Gladiator, fully soundproof and line the top and cab ($1000), add a supercharger ($7500), add portals to the axle ends ($12,000) add a new set of wheels & tires ($3000), custom Katzkin leather interior ($2000), and Acuair suspension ($6500), and still be less than an INEOS.
Where are you getting your prices from? Those look like year 2000 prices lol. Where you finding a supercharger for 7500? And installed for that price? And portal axles installed for 12k? And you putting steel wheels and tires for 3000? Custom leather for 2k? 😂😂😂😂😂. Living in a dream world
You can buy two Gladiator Sports for $75k. Plus Gladiator fits pizza cutter 35” tires, with the matching spare fitting underneath, not taking up bed space.
As for price, the Quartermaster costs around UK£75,000 while a Ford Ranger or VW Amarok pickups are easily available in very high trims for £45,000 after reclaiming the 20% Value Added Tax. It just will not sell in any quantity probably anywhere.
@@Michael-Masi-911 You must register with HMRC for VAT eligibility. That is compulsory if your business has a turnover of more than [I think] £80,000/year in the UK. Personally I have enough transactions that I submit VAT accounts electronically at the end of each month for the previous month.
It has been for sale for eighteen months in Europe and they haven’t fixed it and neither have they made the promised service information, parts books/files or workshop manuals available.
I was really excited about Ineos building what the Defender SHOULD have been...right up until they stuck that idiotic, cheap, plastic BMW shifter and automatic transmission in it, right amongst the manual transfer case, manual e-brake, and manual switch gear everywhere else in the vehicle. This thing DESERVED a manual transmission. I could live with all the other quirks, but not that automatic transmission and horrible shifter. That just kills it for me. If they ever put a manual in it, I'll be first in line. Until then, they can keep it.
Id like to say onx offroad is completly useless in minnesota. I was already on a public trail and it had no clue😂 And no clue about the offroad park, seems to have about only 50-60% of minnestoa trails.
They are discussing building some in America, and i hope so. I really want one but the chicken tax is brutal. We are waiting on our wagon right now. Where the Quartermaster crushes the Gladiator is its bombproof running gear. Regardless of the tax you are paying for stuff you wont break. Price out these upgrades for a gladiator, dana 60s, t case upgrade, trans upgrade and of course suspension. May not seem that expensive. If you are adding any tires to a gladiator breakage is coming
Love the overall look of it. Love the cockpit like center consule. Hate everything else on the thing. Jeep Gladiator still wins this one. Maybe the next generations will work out the kinks? Like the price for example.
100% agree this truck does not bring $101K value to the table. 25% of that is the US government. The buyer for this truck is going to be the person that has a lot of money that wants something different than their friends, and the very well off, hardcore sector of overlanders. Would be a great truck for $60K or less for me.
Not a killer. Maybe a corpse stomper the Gladiator has been dead for a few years due to inferior engineering. Gladiator: poor cooling, weak engine, bad drivetrain, ... Nice platform ruined by Fiat engineering.
Agreed. Great truck but just too much with the stupid tax. We need an American company to build one using GM crate engines. A simple utilitarian vehicle would be great.
Got to try a Grenadier. Theyre, solid. But its just not a substantial change over a Galdiator/Wrangler quality feel wise. And definitely not with the price tag. Could literally buy a TRX or Raptor.
Yes I agree it's ausome in my opinion it's tougher in old school mechanical reliability compared to computer 4×4 systems I will go old school mechanical as possible
its in their video why. just too much $$ and they already made the videos they could on it... they used that money to buy whatever next vehicle for new content
@@Sir...... Bummer is they did say at the beginning they would keep it for at least a year to see how it would hold out long term. That never happened. They could have used it camping, overlanding etc. Instead it was three videos and done. When you live long term with a vehicle all the real niggles surface.
700kg payload and less on the Quartermaster is just not competitive, certainly in Europe compared to say a South African build Ford Ranger which has a 1040kg or one Imperial ton [2250lbs] payload. This has severe tax implications in the UK and many other countries where double cab pickups must have 1040kg payload or more in order to qualify for 20% VAT rebate. The Quartermaster will have very few sales in Europe and, truth be told, Grenadier wagons have already peaked and are not now selling particularly well.
Thank God he did! If anyone of you chaps know Mr Radcliffe, then can you please give him a hug from me for producing such vehicle?!!!! Ps; please bring the other Grenadiers to the us. Don’t gyp us on the accesorios department!
This thing base is more than double the price of a well specd gladiator, it definitely can’t be considered a “competitor” in any true sense. Most people won’t cross shop this between the Gladiator, they might look at the Mercedes G-Wagon and Land Rover Defender, or even the new Toyota Land Cruiser and pick this because the Ineos Grenadier comes with the Quartermaster pickup specification and those don’t. At best the most comparable vehicle would be an Rivian R1T, but even then that’s an electric vehicle so the consumer base would be wildly different I imagine.
A Rubicon Gladiator can spike 65K, so not quite double. The reason I want one is the same reason I have a Grenadier, I do not like breaking crap. And the Gladiator is not very strong. The Quarter Master is all 1 ton stuff.
Just thinking about the situation why the spare tyre is not underneath? When the truck gets stuck in the trails or sits in the frame you can’t get the spare tire out. I in general think that putting spare tyres underneath the vehicle is the worse idea ever.
I had to grab the last red transit connect van from Ford as they got busted avoiding that stupid tax and shut sales down. Yes even Ford got screwed. Ridiculous 😮
@@DwealdricDo Canadians get severely taxed on “ALL” brands of motor vehicles or just the imported vehicles ??? Would you shed some light on the severity of sales taxes and/or any taxes pertaining to motor vehicle ??
@@MrJEEPJT The end user gets hit with sales tax, which varies by province. In Ontario (where I live) the sales tax is 13%. Mark ups on new vehicles basically don't exist in this province, its always MSRP or below. When importing, you need to pay the sales tax of your province, and also pay any duties, which vary by import country of origin.
The greater Palm Springs area has some great off roading…Ocatillo Wells, Anza Borrego, it’s literally all desert which is the best for four wheeling. Keep in mind everyone on RUclips is a buffoon then it explains comments like these.
@@TonyCox1351plus cameras make things look way less intense than they actually are. 25⁰ slopes end up looking like gentle hill, big rocks look tiny, giant mud pits look like puddles. You'll see something on RUclips that looks like any crossover with gold tires could do, then in real life it's like "whoa."
Show me an offroad capable SUV or pickup with modern rack and pinion steering that kicks back as you describe. It’s negative marketing by brands that just can’t fit the superior modern steering system.
The tire is in the bed and not underneath is because its an off road vehicle and getting to the tire in an off road situation would be much easier and safer.
I want this to be successful. It seems like a really cool truck. However for us in the midwest, this is overpriced and ridiculous. These will be popular in the used market.
Here is the thing. Only buyer of this is someone who wants a Grenadier but wants a truck, doesn't have kids or drive adults around, and has tons of $$$ just laying around. There aren't other buyers out there that this truck markets to.
Before having watched: idk, to me it just doesn't have the magic of a Gladiator. It's very subjective and hard to explain, but to me Wrangler looks modern - Gladiator looks retro. This Ineos thing looks old. Not retro - old. Opposite to how Rivian R1T looks miles better than R1S despite having the exact same design except for the roof, Ineos, following its biggest inspiration Land Rover Defender (old), looks amazing only in its SUV version. And if not for the looks, I have no idea what for to buy an Ineos over Jeep, Ford or Chevy.
But you also have to deal with chevy/gm problems. I had a 2017 duramax zr2. Engine was good. But electrical trouble, heater stopped working, one touch up window worked when it wanted to. USB port charger worked half of the tme. Clunk in the front end over bumps. Just became one thing after another.
What a cool truck for $50 or $60K. “Chicken tax” kills it for all but a rich person’s toy here in the US, U’ afraid. I feel like that tax should be reserved for larger manufacturers, not small ones trying to make their way here..
People in these pickup, suv and car pages are always saying they want a diesel. Outside of the US, diesels are a thing. But US sales of a diesel powered grenadier would probably top out around only 1000 at most units. Where a gas one will sell about 10 times or more.
Beautiful pikup. but when will ineos launch a vehicle that the tradespeople can afford? A no BS version without luxury stuff, which a craftsman doesn't need anyway. And above all, a vehicle that doesn't cost $100,000!
Love the Fieldmaster Wagon. QuarterMaster slowly growing on me. Looks very tight for you sitting ast the wheel. Would never pay the ChickenTax 25%. I'll bet in the next 36 months they will be built in the USA.
For the same price, Ill take ‘purpose built utilitarian’ over luxury all day every day. That’s why I bought a new Land Cruiser 200 for $95k when I could have bought a Range Rover, MB G500, Cadillac Escalade, or other similarly priced vehicle (at the time). I don’t buy a 3-5 year vehicle. If I can’t reliably drive it for decades it isn’t worth any price. Amortized over the life of the vehicle, the Ineos is a bargain compared to just about anything else. That being said, I’ll buy Toyota every time.
@@stonepa thank you for the reply, I'm not trying to be rude or argumentative, but...why (for 100k) does it have to be a choice between utilitarian or luxury?...which really wasn't my point. My point was that one could buy a GX550 Overtrail+ (personally, I'd wait a year or two) for much less money than any Grenadier and get 99% of the off-road capability with 99% better on-road capability and also luxury (or a new Land Cruiser, or an old Land Cruiser, or a 4Runner, or so many other vehicles). I really just think Ineos is a confusing product with no real target audience (outside of rich people who have money to burn on a novelty item). I mean, they're not going to take any Jeep shares: Wranglers are as good-to-better off-road and even slightly better on-road, Cherokees are way more on-road & luxury focused, cheap jeeps are...so much cheaper. They aren't going to take Toyota shares: a 5th gen 4Runner will do anything this can do off-road and better on-road + more luxury. and on and on. If Grenadiers were prices evenly with 4Runners, I still don't see very many people choosing one over a 4Runner (I wouldn't)...but 2x the cost of a 4Runner is so wild. The sole selling point of any Grenadier is that it's different and quirky. That might work well in dating, but I can't see that being a recipe for success in the auto industry. Just waiting for the news that Ineos pulls out of NA.
Im curious about the aftermarket support for this. Things like suspension, bumpers, accessories etc. If it falls short there, it won't be something you see a bunch of during offroad trips
I sat in one at the off-road expo. I'm 6'6". I noticed right away that I would have to move my head down to look out the drivers window. Dumb. Def not worth the price.
So what's with the chicken tax on 4runners made in Japan?? I don't remember there being a big surcharge on my invoices when I've bought my TRD Pro's...
It’s all about the vehicle classification. Your 4Runner isn’t a truck it’s classified as a passenger car so isn’t under the purview of the tax which was for trucks or vans. The suv version of the Ineos isn’t taxed like this pickup version.
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Tommy, dissing the fact that it cant do over the air updates, me Thank god someone is bucking the system and thinks the car does not have to be connected to the internet and spy on you.
Tommy’s rant at the end was spot on. Because of the import tax and the pricing this places you in the territory of TRD pro, raptor, rhino, TRX , Gladiator rubicon, ZO2, 4TX. Looks like a good truck but no one should spend that amount of money on that vehicle…20-30k more than the ones listed above….just no.
I disagree, they have 20 dealerships in the US and Canada? That could mean you're a 24+ hour drive from one...
OTA updates don't have to be always online, touchscreen only cars. It could be as simple as hotspot your phone and get it updated with that, then disconnect and keep going.
All of the dealerships are in big metropolitan areas. I will argue that the vast majority of the US population lives within 2-3 hours drive at max from one of these 20+ dealerships. There are two dealers within 2 hours of me in opposite directions.
Still not so cool it uses GPS to track you and likely documents driving over the speed limit in an internal black box. Maybe someone can put a faraday cage around that GPS receiver or something to prevent it from doing that.
@@is6566 4 hours of driving to do a software update. Yeah, no. Give me the over the air updates. There's nothing stopping them from implementing the OTA updates in a morally responsible way instead of just deleting the feature.
Kudos to Ineos for actually taking you guys on some decent trails, unlike most of these types of programs.
Its a first edition car for the specially interested so I don't think you can bash the price too much, fans will buy it anyways. Kudos to Ineos for sticking to their goals and not go mainstream
For the cost it needs to be insanely better at everything compared to a gladiator, and it simply doesn’t. The only cars that get a pass for price are insanely limited sports cars that are meant to be collectible, not used like this truck.
Agreed. And they were off on the 25% from over $100,000. $75,000 might be less than base price.
@@22GamingGuy people dont buy trucks like this logically, they buy because they love it.
One thing we have to remember about the price is that in this truck size level, Ineos is actually dealing with the chicken tax. That seriously needs to go away.
It’s because it’s a pick-up 🛻 truck chicken tax specifically targets trucks and 🚐 vans at “25% passenger cars and sport utilities are tariffed at “5%”
The only real problem with the Ineos products is the price. Amazing vehicles with some first year growing pains.
they NEED to manufacturer in U.S. or North America so price can come down and no import taxes
not really the fault of ineos though, if the 'chicken tax' serves only to kill competition from non domestically built vehicles.
@@Master-Blaster-4x4 Pretty much. Now you know why we in Europe dont drive trucks. People love them, but when you convert the dollar to a euro in a 1:1 (which is not correct but they do it anyway)+ 22% or more tax + shipping and the greedy dealers, these things cost like a Lamborghini 👍 .That is why Ford and similar brands mostly offer the low /mid end range of their vehicles and we also get bombarder with the EV joke from china . Toyota and Mitsubishi are probably the only good offload options we have here .
The crazy thing is that there are people who are trying to have the speed limit warning made mandatory for all cars in the US. That's waaaay too much Karen!
There’s supposed to be a remote kill switch starting in 2026…
Yeah, I’m fairly liberal, but I can’t get behind nanny warnings on vehicles. Just wait 20 more years, when the vehicles are driving for us & then the speeds will be dealt with by the car’s computer. I won’t care if I’m sitting there, watching a movie on my phone while my car drives me around & the car itself doesn’t need any audible warnings, since it doesn’t have ears, lol. Until then, there’s no need for that kinda stuff.
@@goldenageofdinosaurs7192Hate to be that person but you're getting what you vote for. Disclaimer: I am not left or right, just making an observation.
Not sure about how Karen is involved but NO NANNIES please, unless it’s Mary Poppins.
I like the one in the Ram when it can be programmed. I set to warn me when I was at least over 10mph over the posted. Sometimes these small towns drop it from 55 to 35 real quick and you don't notice it.
the space under the bed looks perfect for an aux fuel tank.
Better be used for something, total waste otherwise
I was thinking the exact same thing. Probably would have to shift the exhaust though. If they aren't gonna put the tire back there, might as well fill it with something useful. Especially at 14 mpgs
@@meanP90 it’s probably the same frame as the wagon, but with the extension for the bed. So to save money I bet they didn’t put a tire mount under the bed because it is mounted to the back of the rear door.
@@MrJamesLuz 6 figure truck but a metal bracket is too much
or a water tank when building an off-road travel rig
Hello Tommy. Thanks for your great review as always. I understand that you normally will consider 4x4 offroaders after offroading as entertainment because lot of people in the US are using them for this. But in many European countries we are not allowed fo0r motorized driving in forests, mountains or fields outside public roads. And engineers like me and contracters who are allowed for offroad driving to reach worksites, have much of the same requirements. I have sometimes been dreaming of a Land Cruiser dobbelt cabiner pickup model, because such a vehicle could save me for bringing a trailer in many of my projects, and in my work such a vehicle would be more importent for me than the reduced brake over angle and turning radius which of course is importend for the hard core off roaders. Thanks. Best Regards from Arne in Norway
Chicken like tax goes the other way as well. In the Philippines, I was looking at a new RAM Rebel for over 100K USD (US Spec about $60K) due to their 40% tax for non-ASEAN factory built vehicles. I decided instead on a Thailand built next-gen Ranger Raptor for about $45K USD instead.
I’m traveling this week, and my rental was a Jeep Gladiator. While driving around town, I kept hearing this metal on metal clunking from the rear. When I climbed under it, I noticed a bracket attached to the swaybar had a broken weld. I had to call the rental company and ditched it immediately. Couldn’t believe it and I took a pic as proof.
And that is what made me switch from a Bronco and Gladiator to Grenadier and Quartermaster. Just sick of the under engineering and lack of qc
Thats a pretty absurd story. Even if true why are you judging any car on a rental model?
OMG, Becky. Did you get extra sugar in your latte too?
Great video. The clicks, beeps, bings, and bongs would be a dealbreaker for me. Every new vehicle i have been interested in over the last 2 years is too electronic, too many screens, too many nannies, too expensive, etc. guess i am keeping my old Land Cruiser 200.
Yeah until your transmission grenades itself in the next 6 months
@@bk27117 My guess is I’m atleast 10 years and 150k miles away from any significant repair on my 200, based on my experience with my other Land Cruisers. My 1998 100, that I have owned since new, has been reliable with no major repairs over the last 26 years / 460k miles. It’s all about maintenance.
@@bk27117luckily it's only ~6k and a day's work to replace the transmission, and that's with a built unit from IPT. Then you're good for another 250-350k. Seems worth it to keep a better suv on the road.
While its not my kind of truck, I figure its a vehicle for the Gladiator owner who needs to drive 400 miles a day. Ultimately the Gladiator will be slightly better off road though. There are four Grenadiers (three SUV and one truck) that I regularly see near my home and those that have purchased them were all previously long term owners of LR Defenders. From what I can see where I live they are being sold to farmers who need to max out its towing capacity on and off road and who need to drive through a lot of mud in winter.
Okay, so first up: I like your channels. I subscribed most of them.
Now , I live in Europe, where this truck is built. But I think you have a much too narrow point of view.
1 - This truck is sold worldwide and has to function worldwide. Look at all those rural regions outside the US and you won't find your TRD's, Raptor's or whatever outside of city boundaries. Those trucks are built and sold for the US and Canada, not for Africa, Europe or South America.
2 - Because the EU has different laws, all new vehicles sold in the EU have to have a speed warning, which you have to shut off after every new start. This also applies to US trucks sold in the EU. And the speed limit in the rest of the world is lower than in the US and EU and the roads aren't that good either.
3 - Electronics and so called " LUXURY requirements " like electric seats with ventilation aren't really useful for those areas for which Ineos built this truck for.
4 - And YEAH: the " Chicken Tax " is a joke. Some companies like Toyota built factories to avoid it, but most other car manufacteries couldn't care less for competing in a globally uninteresting niché model.
So, please: I know you love your Trucks, especially those midsize and large ones. But you will not find a Gladiator in an african desert or in the pampas of Argentine. You will find Toyota and the early Defender. Just simple and reliable.
So please try to be a little bit more objective for the world outside the " North American Territories "😉😜!
Keep on streaming !👍👌
Kudos to Ineos for bringing the passion project to life. It takes a lot of guts to eschew the bean counters opinions and say "We don't care, we're doing what's right, no compromises.". I give them credit for that.
The break your thumbs thing is such a ridiculous justification of the sub-par steering.
Has anyone seen dozens of Toyota, jeep or land rover drivers walking around with broken thumbs??
Oh. Tommy I have a 2019 ZR2 with the Duramax and all, I mean all, the available AEV components including high mark fender flares to clear 35’s with no lift. The only thing keeping me from trading it in on a quartermaster is the diesel engine which has been magic. If you pay More than $91,500+- for a Quartermaster you bought too much junk not suited for its purpose.
But I’m not sure what you mean that “it has to be good”. Good like Colorado that you can’t drive through a car wash without collapsing the roof. Good like a Tacoma that breaks the first time off road. Good like a Tundra that has thousands of trucks with engine replacement recalls. The fact is those trucks don’t matter and the only thing you have to ask is the Quartermaster better enough than the Gladiator to justify the increased cost. To my mind resoundingly, YES!
There’s a guy in my town with the station wagon version. Really a cool looking car. Thank you to the billionaire who made this a reality. The engine was a good move the b58 was codeveloped with Toyota. They twisted bmws arm to make sure it was up to Toyota spec. Probably the last great bmw inline 6.
Down the street from my office there is a dealership that sells Maserati and Ferrari. Recently they just started to sell these beasts as well. It almost looks like they swapped out the Maserati sales for these things. They have so many on the lot.
This and the previous video have been very informative. I was wondering what the heck these were. Now I know. Thanks!
Very satisfied Grenadier owner here. I just don’t think the Quartermaster will take off in the US - certainly not with the chicken tax (although I hear they’re looking into US production options) - but I think even without the tax, it wouldn’t be a huge hit. It just doesn’t check enough US truck boxes (bed size, hauling capacity, etc etc) to purely play in the truck category - so then it’s an OFFROAD truck, but really more of an overland truck . . . you see the problem. And it doesn’t have the versatility of a Grenadier. So it’s a niche of a niche of a niche - at a crazy high price. Probably useful to game wardens in Africa though! Honestly even my Ineos dealer is skeptical.
Do you think they will bring the utility (2-seater with room in the back end) station wagon into the USA? It has a substantially lower price in the UK than the regular Grenadier station wagon.
What are you talking about? It's a midsize truck. And as a midsize it meets or beats the competition. It's got towing capacity of like 7716 lbs, and payload of about 1600+ if memory serves. That's more than or equal to the competition. Bed size and cab size, are minor issues, they're to he expected in this segment. I think the main problem is the upfront cost and the fuel economy.
@@meanP90 Basically equal to the competition (which is essentially a failure for this vehicle's use case and primary design intent), while being way more expensive, worse to drive, worse to get services, less features, worse on gas, and a horrible range (also a design intent failure). The whole vehicle is a mess as a product in the NA market.
@@is6566zero chance - unless they can move production into NAM. The whole point on the commercial fleet offering is affordability and durability- but all commercial configurations AND trucks are hit with the chicken tax. I also just can’t see it succeeding in the US as a commercial platform, chicken tax notwithstanding.
@@meanP90it’s a 5’ bed - AND has the spare in the bed. It’s not going to be a hauler in the US - ever. It’s an off-road option - but again, even there, it’s more overlanding. So as I said, a niche of a niche. It’s an “open bed overlanding off-roader.” Maybe in Europe and Africa and Australia it will fly - not in the US. And remember, I LOVE my Grenadier and want Ineos to be wildly successful. Quartermaster just isn’t going to make it in the US. That was too far a stretch for them.
If you live in Europe this is a beast, pretty much nothing comparable on our markets 😅
Toyota, Ford and Isuzu trucks all have a bigger payload of over 1000kg for about 40% of the price!!
@@HelicopterDad-u5bdo you think that is unique? 😂 plenty of countries in Europe have similar speed limits, and some have higher. 85 mph speed limits are the exception in the US and not the norm at all.
@@HelicopterDad-u5bNot sure I understand your point; are you saying this won't cruise comfortably at 85mph?
I can confirm....it doesn't @@HelicopterDad-u5b
@@HelicopterDad-u5b"They say" - so you've never driven it yourself?
6:40 washboard terrain makes up most of the western desert portion of America
Lol the fact that there’s articles out there claiming that most Americans are in favor of the speed limit bing bong feature in all new cars should tell you all you need to know about the media these days.
I just understand the concern about ride quality while off roading. 😅
The only way to get a truck with a better brake over angle would be for it to be a single cab.
Single cab and shorter bed?
The rear overhang and brakeover is often the same regardless of cab style.
If you can buy a shorter bed, sure.
I'm constantly filling my washer fluid reservoir. Like every other week. We have a lot of bugs in my area and the flat glass is a magnet for them. I saw the low washer fluid warning when Tommy was driving.
It's a super cool rig, but I'll be honest I am not totally sure why anyone would pick this thing over a gladiator or any of the off-road trim pick-ups in the USA. It can tow more which is cool and technically has more power but for the cost it's just real hard to justify unless you got a bunch of extra cash on hand. This feels like a vehicle you pick for a very specific reason vs general off-road utility. I would put this in the same vein as a Land Cruiser. Low volume, nails it specific niche perfectly, costs a boat load. Time will tell if these things are worthy of some legendary stories like the Land Cruiser. Wishing Ineos the best on this one!
0:30 the guy said ‘and that is what they did’ past tense, but from my understanding that IS WHAT THEY STILL DO…
Ineos should put a couple of seats in the bed like Subaru did in the Brat to get around the chicken tax. 😉
Recognized the trail immediately, old stomping grounds! Hope you boys enjoyed it
If you are comparing this to a Gladiator you are completely missing the point of this vehicle. Sure it looks like a smaller bed offroader but its rocking 1 ton axels and you can leave the dealer with 1 ton beefy axels, winch, lift, second battery system, safari windows, a German engine, g class grade build for likely less than it would cost you to buy a gladiator and modify it to have 1 ton axels with lockers and a winch and all of the other stuff, and at the end of the day it will still be a jeep and none of that stuff will be covered under warranty. When comparing prices of this you are trying to fir it into the low range category of consumer trucks. Compare this to an actual raptor or bronco raptor or g wagon or new Lexus GX or any other truck with 1 ton axels and you start to see that this isn't priced as bad as you might think for what you get.
No chicken tax in Australia but we have plenty of other taxes. Quartermaster is A$110k vs. RAM 1500 A$120k but here the competition is the Landcruiser 79 supposedly $80k but good luck finding one at that price.
we just received the email saying the fix is available next month for the ADAS chime.
Holy crap! The price is outlandish. I have a Gladiator Overland with a Rockridge build and it was 6k lower than the base on this. 6k more and I could've had the diesel but they were just to hard to get at the time. It's a hard no for this thing
25% ChickenTax is added to the base price.
Ya, and for $6K why would you want nearly double the payload, full floating rear axle, double cardan front axle, pitman arm drag link and tie rod that looks like it came out of a one ton truck, a frame so robust it likely won’t bend in half trailering off-road like gladiator and Colorado, unmatched electrical options including 500 amp at the rear, massive roof capacity……………I mean why would you do that?
@@SaltShack basically because I don't need any of that. I have a BMW and a F250 king ranch. This and the gladiator will never be a legit truck with payloayand towing capacity
@@jameshenderson9830 It’s not a space shuttle either. Comparing it to what it’s not nor intended to be then complaining about the price because you have a super duty king ranch is not valuable to the discussion. Is the Quartermaster worth the extra money compared to the Gladiator? And you must consider all that extra money goes to the US Treasury to keep our Border Secure and all of us safe from the odd pandemic, so there’s that.
@@SaltShack do you own one? Maybe you can change my opinion on ownership experience. I over paid for my Gladiator and have always been honest with my opinion
Yeaaaa.... nah. Woulda been nice to have kept the same wheelbase with a shorter bed. That tail hangover isn't cool for an offroader. Need them angles. Also, need a sliding rear window to use for camper shells and what not so can use the cab heat or a/c if needed. Rear safari roof windows... or better yet pop out roof panels for front rear... so can go topless like bronco/jeep. Then could have modular safari window panels if wanted.
Tommy's knees are practically rubbing the steering wheel... Looks real comfy lol
I’d take it any day over any of the other midsized trucks for reliable (apart from the Toyota), but also for everything else it offers. Plus, they won’t be here long, so buying it now is a future investment
Gladiator is worse? Yep. But for $75k, you can buy a Gladiator, fully soundproof and line the top and cab ($1000), add a supercharger ($7500), add portals to the axle ends ($12,000) add a new set of wheels & tires ($3000), custom Katzkin leather interior ($2000), and Acuair suspension ($6500), and still be less than an INEOS.
Where are you getting your prices from? Those look like year 2000 prices lol. Where you finding a supercharger for 7500? And installed for that price? And portal axles installed for 12k? And you putting steel wheels and tires for 3000? Custom leather for 2k? 😂😂😂😂😂. Living in a dream world
You can buy two Gladiator Sports for $75k. Plus Gladiator fits pizza cutter 35” tires, with the matching spare fitting underneath, not taking up bed space.
@@kingrabbit101I have flow formed wheels 5 reika r35 rambler and 37x12.5x17 tires paid 2500$ but it’s all about look and waiting for deals
Gladiator is better in every way.
@@HelicopterDad-u5bit's not better in any way, but it's cheeper. I take nissan Titan or Frontier over both of them.
In Namibia one Ineos burned down completely. Apparently a fire started in the engine bay.
I think I'll stick with a 79.
As for price, the Quartermaster costs around UK£75,000 while a Ford Ranger or VW Amarok pickups are easily available in very high trims for £45,000 after reclaiming the 20% Value Added Tax. It just will not sell in any quantity probably anywhere.
How do you reclaim the VAT?
@@Michael-Masi-911 You must register with HMRC for VAT eligibility. That is compulsory if your business has a turnover of more than [I think] £80,000/year in the UK. Personally I have enough transactions that I submit VAT accounts electronically at the end of each month for the previous month.
It has been for sale for eighteen months in Europe and they haven’t fixed it and neither have they made the promised service information, parts books/files or workshop manuals available.
How much of it has to be assembled in North America for it to avoid the chicken tax? 🤔
All of it.
This would be perfect here in Arizona! So many dirt trails and places to go explore. If only there was one in the $40-50k range
I was really excited about Ineos building what the Defender SHOULD have been...right up until they stuck that idiotic, cheap, plastic BMW shifter and automatic transmission in it, right amongst the manual transfer case, manual e-brake, and manual switch gear everywhere else in the vehicle. This thing DESERVED a manual transmission. I could live with all the other quirks, but not that automatic transmission and horrible shifter. That just kills it for me. If they ever put a manual in it, I'll be first in line. Until then, they can keep it.
Magna built an AWD big block SUV about 25 years ago... Back then they were highly respected in the automotive industry
Id like to say onx offroad is completly useless in minnesota.
I was already on a public trail and it had no clue😂
And no clue about the offroad park, seems to have about only 50-60% of minnestoa trails.
They are discussing building some in America, and i hope so. I really want one but the chicken tax is brutal. We are waiting on our wagon right now. Where the Quartermaster crushes the Gladiator is its bombproof running gear. Regardless of the tax you are paying for stuff you wont break. Price out these upgrades for a gladiator, dana 60s, t case upgrade, trans upgrade and of course suspension. May not seem that expensive. If you are adding any tires to a gladiator breakage is coming
Love the overall look of it. Love the cockpit like center consule. Hate everything else on the thing.
Jeep Gladiator still wins this one.
Maybe the next generations will work out the kinks? Like the price for example.
100% agree this truck does not bring $101K value to the table. 25% of that is the US government. The buyer for this truck is going to be the person that has a lot of money that wants something different than their friends, and the very well off, hardcore sector of overlanders. Would be a great truck for $60K or less for me.
31" tires are kind of silly. 33" are a minimum, 35" tires should be available...
Not a killer. Maybe a corpse stomper the Gladiator has been dead for a few years due to inferior engineering. Gladiator: poor cooling, weak engine, bad drivetrain, ... Nice platform ruined by Fiat engineering.
Agreed. Great truck but just too much with the stupid tax. We need an American company to build one using GM crate engines. A simple utilitarian vehicle would be great.
Got to try a Grenadier. Theyre, solid. But its just not a substantial change over a Galdiator/Wrangler quality feel wise. And definitely not with the price tag. Could literally buy a TRX or Raptor.
Yes I agree it's ausome in my opinion it's tougher in old school mechanical reliability compared to computer 4×4 systems I will go old school mechanical as possible
@tfl the spped warning is being disabled here in US starting in a month. No more beeps.
I have heard that three separate times. I hope you’re right
@TFLoffroad they issues a letter shared with current owners. Check the ineos forum where you can read it.
Did it happen?
@@Michael-Masi-911 the first attempt brought issues. Never made it to the masses. Round two attempt around the corner
I heard you already sold your Grenadier? If so why? Seems like they compromised the real legroom to make a pickup?
its in their video why. just too much $$ and they already made the videos they could on it... they used that money to buy whatever next vehicle for new content
@@Sir...... I must have missed that. So no long term testing? Over-landing is more than a bit of light trail usage.
@@Sir...... Bummer is they did say at the beginning they would keep it for at least a year to see how it would hold out long term. That never happened. They could have used it camping, overlanding etc. Instead it was three videos and done. When you live long term with a vehicle all the real niggles surface.
Give me a L8T engine option and make it in North America and I'm sold. I would even take a version of the L83/L86 engine with none of the DOD.
Nice review Tommy. Great insight on this midsized truck.
700kg payload and less on the Quartermaster is just not competitive, certainly in Europe compared to say a South African build Ford Ranger which has a 1040kg or one Imperial ton [2250lbs] payload. This has severe tax implications in the UK and many other countries where double cab pickups must have 1040kg payload or more in order to qualify for 20% VAT rebate. The Quartermaster will have very few sales in Europe and, truth be told, Grenadier wagons have already peaked and are not now selling particularly well.
TFL Owned the Wagon for like a week.. lol.. then quickly dumped it.
..... it was too expensive for the amount of videos they could make and the interest in it ? they explained why in a video
No kickbacks... Payed commercial channel...
@@Sir......aka the thing was to reliable. No cybertruck drama
Didn’t break an axle disconnect either. Like some other truck of theirs did. 😃
@@is6566 that was user error
Thank God he did! If anyone of you chaps know Mr Radcliffe, then can you please give him a hug from me for producing such vehicle?!!!! Ps; please bring the other Grenadiers to the us. Don’t gyp us on the accesorios department!
Get the GMC XT4X or the Ranger Raptor and use the rest for a topper and/or camper top. Spare is in the bed like the GMC.
I agree with your assessment. I'd consider purchasing one when my Gladiator tanks AND the price is reduced by ~40K.
This thing base is more than double the price of a well specd gladiator, it definitely can’t be considered a “competitor” in any true sense. Most people won’t cross shop this between the Gladiator, they might look at the Mercedes G-Wagon and Land Rover Defender, or even the new Toyota Land Cruiser and pick this because the Ineos Grenadier comes with the Quartermaster pickup specification and those don’t. At best the most comparable vehicle would be an Rivian R1T, but even then that’s an electric vehicle so the consumer base would be wildly different I imagine.
A Rubicon Gladiator can spike 65K, so not quite double. The reason I want one is the same reason I have a Grenadier, I do not like breaking crap. And the Gladiator is not very strong. The Quarter Master is all 1 ton stuff.
they NEED to manufacturer in North America so no import taxes [for now i will keep enjoying my GLADIATOR 😂]
Just thinking about the situation why the spare tyre is not underneath? When the truck gets stuck in the trails or sits in the frame you can’t get the spare tire out. I in general think that putting spare tyres underneath the vehicle is the worse idea ever.
Chicken Tax strikes again
In Canada they are priced even worse, and there's no Chicken Tax here.
I had to grab the last red transit connect van from Ford as they got busted avoiding that stupid tax and shut sales down. Yes even Ford got screwed. Ridiculous 😮
@@Dwealdric No one beats Australia though !
@@DwealdricDo Canadians get severely taxed on “ALL” brands of motor vehicles or just the imported vehicles ??? Would you shed some light on the severity of sales taxes and/or any taxes pertaining to motor vehicle ??
@@MrJEEPJT The end user gets hit with sales tax, which varies by province. In Ontario (where I live) the sales tax is 13%. Mark ups on new vehicles basically don't exist in this province, its always MSRP or below. When importing, you need to pay the sales tax of your province, and also pay any duties, which vary by import country of origin.
When I think challenging off-road course I immediately think of Palm Springs.
Which golf course...?
Did you see the trail? Not extreme but decent?
The greater Palm Springs area has some great off roading…Ocatillo Wells, Anza Borrego, it’s literally all desert which is the best for four wheeling. Keep in mind everyone on RUclips is a buffoon then it explains comments like these.
@@TonyCox1351plus cameras make things look way less intense than they actually are. 25⁰ slopes end up looking like gentle hill, big rocks look tiny, giant mud pits look like puddles. You'll see something on RUclips that looks like any crossover with gold tires could do, then in real life it's like "whoa."
At 3:05, they are heading to the Hammers, or at least to the Johnson Valley OHV area.
is the chicken tax still there if you buy in Canada ? We dont have it and the car is cheaper here than in the US
I remember my grandparents had a Ford Courier back in the day, it had a chime that went off when you went over 55😂
Show me an offroad capable SUV or pickup with modern rack and pinion steering that kicks back as you describe. It’s negative marketing by brands that just can’t fit the superior modern steering system.
The tire is in the bed and not underneath is because its an off road vehicle and getting to the tire in an off road situation would be much easier and safer.
I want this to be successful. It seems like a really cool truck. However for us in the midwest, this is overpriced and ridiculous.
These will be popular in the used market.
Here is the thing. Only buyer of this is someone who wants a Grenadier but wants a truck, doesn't have kids or drive adults around, and has tons of $$$ just laying around. There aren't other buyers out there that this truck markets to.
Before having watched: idk, to me it just doesn't have the magic of a Gladiator. It's very subjective and hard to explain, but to me Wrangler looks modern - Gladiator looks retro. This Ineos thing looks old. Not retro - old. Opposite to how Rivian R1T looks miles better than R1S despite having the exact same design except for the roof, Ineos, following its biggest inspiration Land Rover Defender (old), looks amazing only in its SUV version. And if not for the looks, I have no idea what for to buy an Ineos over Jeep, Ford or Chevy.
Will you be comparing the gas vs diesel Grenadier?
Cancelled my grenadier order due to sparse dealer network. Will wait to see how reliable these products are.
You can buy 2 Colorado Zr2's for one of these... just crazy
😂😂😂😂😂
Point me to one. I'm in.
But you also have to deal with chevy/gm problems. I had a 2017 duramax zr2. Engine was good. But electrical trouble, heater stopped working, one touch up window worked when it wanted to. USB port charger worked half of the tme. Clunk in the front end over bumps. Just became one thing after another.
It’s a no for me too. No diesel engine, no deal.
What a cool truck for $50 or $60K. “Chicken tax” kills it for all but a rich person’s toy here in the US, U’ afraid. I feel like that tax should be reserved for larger manufacturers, not small ones trying to make their way here..
Both Ineos would be perfect if diesel was an option. Stupid EPA
People in these pickup, suv and car pages are always saying they want a diesel. Outside of the US, diesels are a thing. But US sales of a diesel powered grenadier would probably top out around only 1000 at most units. Where a gas one will sell about 10 times or more.
If only they imported it with a diesel like a BMW M57
Seriously stop bitching about it not having the BS for people who cant drive. The whole point is back to basics!
For the money of that test vehicle I can buy a Gladiator, swap a 392 into it, put it on 40's with a good lift and have a more capable truck.
Beautiful pikup. but when will ineos launch a vehicle that the tradespeople can afford? A no BS version without luxury stuff, which a craftsman doesn't need anyway. And above all, a vehicle that doesn't cost $100,000!
It's a very cool truck and I like it a lot, but it's not worth that price.
Give it a few years to work out the kinks and finish production in the US so we don't pay approximately 50% in tax.
Summed up at the end perfectly.
Love the Fieldmaster Wagon. QuarterMaster slowly growing on me.
Looks very tight for you sitting ast the wheel.
Would never pay the ChickenTax 25%.
I'll bet in the next 36 months they will be built in the USA.
Was that a random loose screw floating around in front of the subwoofer? I'm not mad about it, for 100k+ it better come with extra screws.
For the same price, Ill take ‘purpose built utilitarian’ over luxury all day every day. That’s why I bought a new Land Cruiser 200 for $95k when I could have bought a Range Rover, MB G500, Cadillac Escalade, or other similarly priced vehicle (at the time). I don’t buy a 3-5 year vehicle. If I can’t reliably drive it for decades it isn’t worth any price. Amortized over the life of the vehicle, the Ineos is a bargain compared to just about anything else.
That being said, I’ll buy Toyota every time.
@@stonepa thank you for the reply, I'm not trying to be rude or argumentative, but...why (for 100k) does it have to be a choice between utilitarian or luxury?...which really wasn't my point. My point was that one could buy a GX550 Overtrail+ (personally, I'd wait a year or two) for much less money than any Grenadier and get 99% of the off-road capability with 99% better on-road capability and also luxury (or a new Land Cruiser, or an old Land Cruiser, or a 4Runner, or so many other vehicles).
I really just think Ineos is a confusing product with no real target audience (outside of rich people who have money to burn on a novelty item). I mean, they're not going to take any Jeep shares: Wranglers are as good-to-better off-road and even slightly better on-road, Cherokees are way more on-road & luxury focused, cheap jeeps are...so much cheaper. They aren't going to take Toyota shares: a 5th gen 4Runner will do anything this can do off-road and better on-road + more luxury. and on and on.
If Grenadiers were prices evenly with 4Runners, I still don't see very many people choosing one over a 4Runner (I wouldn't)...but 2x the cost of a 4Runner is so wild.
The sole selling point of any Grenadier is that it's different and quirky. That might work well in dating, but I can't see that being a recipe for success in the auto industry. Just waiting for the news that Ineos pulls out of NA.
It would be cool if they were to build an old school 1995 Defender 90 to compete with the Jeep Wrangler(2 door)...
This is officially my dream truck
I can not imagine the service cost for this 'thing' But I guess if you can afford the 100,000+ price tag no problem
Someone just got oil and front and rear diff oil changed. It cost them 400
Solid axles. How hard is it to change the diff fluids yourself ?. I do it on my Wrangler all the time.
@@peopleschamp7258 that sounds on par with something like amsoil grade fluids for something this size.
Im curious about the aftermarket support for this. Things like suspension, bumpers, accessories etc. If it falls short there, it won't be something you see a bunch of during offroad trips
I sat in one at the off-road expo. I'm 6'6". I noticed right away that I would have to move my head down to look out the drivers window. Dumb. Def not worth the price.
We really need to add the tariffs back to Mexico and reduce the tax to 10% for trucks and vans from Europe and Japan.
Which dealerships will carry / sell these vehicles?
So what's with the chicken tax on 4runners made in Japan?? I don't remember there being a big surcharge on my invoices when I've bought my TRD Pro's...
Yeah but they manufacture other vehicles in the US and North America. That's probably how they get around the tax.
It’s all about the vehicle classification. Your 4Runner isn’t a truck it’s classified as a passenger car so isn’t under the purview of the tax which was for trucks or vans. The suv version of the Ineos isn’t taxed like this pickup version.
That makes sense. Thank you for the clarification!!
The price on this thing is unbelievable, no matter how you slice it. Im curious though: The wagon is just as overpriced, yet you love it! Why is that?
Looks really unique!
Happy of my h3 adventure with 15 years and for less than 20k in europe.