Nearly Fatal Taipan Bite Draws Unwanted Attention to Responsible Snake Keepers
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- Опубликовано: 20 сен 2024
- This week a venomous reptile keeper known throughout the community of keepers as unpleasant and grossly irresponsible was nearly killed by a juvenile inland tai-pan, an Australian snake known to be among the world's most venomous. Jeff Liebowitz used social media to draw attention to his grossly negligent free-handling methods with his venomous snakes and after multitudes of fellow keepers implored him to stop putting the community in a bad light, and after scorning anyone who spoke-up, the worst came to pass and Jeff was left fighting for his life, pleading for the same antivenom he chastised others for keeping for their snakes.
Here we discuss how the media covered the incident, what they got wrong, how it can impact the reptile community, and what we can do collectively to help all keepers to stay safe and have great experiences with their animals.
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None of the more popular RUclipsrs have enough nerve to speak on how Jay harasses his big snakes and gets them to lunge at him. Everyone’s afraid to speak up about it so I really respect you for mentioning it. It’s a shame to see animals harassed for social media likes or to build up views on your channel. Do things the right way when you know better 🥴. Don’t mean to be ugly towards anyone but it’s sad to see and scary how it could have an impression on others who don’t know better.
Same with fake animal catching channels like Robs Aquatics and Bass fishing Productions.
jay is going down,look at the views on his channel,they are so low its unheard of for a channel with 6+ mill subs. And even though i agree, he should have been called out way more by the rest of the society i do find it encourageing that its not a good idea to behave so horrible towards your animals as he does. You dont have to be an experienced reptile owner to use your eyes,and no animal will bite you if you dont provoke it,if you get bitten a lot,people know what that means when they watch him claiming he loves his animals and then get them to bite him.
@hannehanskov7560 I'm in the same boat with the aquarium community, only a handful including myself have called out channels like Robs Aquatics and BFP for how they treat animals in their videos and it doesn't seem like any larger creators know or care.
@@hannehanskov7560..no snake bites unprovoked?
I've talked about it I have a reptile channel I don't like Jay at all way he treats his reptiles is just disgusting
My biggest issue is he never had any plan if he became incapacitated. We all need plans if we can not take care of our animals Take the bite completely off the table, if he got in a car accident, had a stroke, heart attack, or even caught a virus that put him in the hospital, he needed options to care for his animals.
As an armchair herp enthusiast, I dont watch free handlers, they focus more on themselves than the herps . Thanks for sharing videos
It is great to see your responsible and informative videos. As an Australian from the bush - in a region where Taipans and other highly venomous snakes are present - it is staggering to read that inland taipans are even available to keep in peoples homes in the US - let alone by an obviously reckless and very poorly educated snake handler. The inland Taipan in fact has the most toxic venom of any snake in the world - with a single bite capable of killing 200 000 mice ( but they are generally shy and in natural habitat rarely come into contact with people) . But if provoked and poorly handled then the consequences are enormous. Where I live we learn to respect snakes from very early childhood - and that if we leave them alone they will leave us alone.
not the most venomous, the most venomous land snake, sea snakes are more venomous
@@tomgiorgini9154 In terms of humans killed the sea snake - particularly in highly populated Bay of Bengal seaside/fishing areas of India kills more - however it is not the most venomous :
“Based on the median lethal dose value in mice, the venom of the inland taipan is by far the most toxic of any snake - much more so than even that of sea snakes[11][12][13] - and it has the most toxic venom of any reptile when tested on human heart cell culture.[14][15][16] The inland taipan is a specialist hunter of mammals, so its venom is specially adapted to kill warm-blooded species.[17] One bite possesses enough lethality to kill more than an estimated 100 fully grown humans.[18] It is an extremely fast and agile snake that can strike instantly with extreme accuracy,[19] often striking multiple times in the same attack,[20] and it envenomates in almost every case.[21]”
@@Robaus79 While I am not doubting that in the slightest, it would be useful if you could name/link your source. Without knowing where it came from, it's really hard to look into further. Also, the quote clearly contains plenty of citations, which is usually a good sign, but you haven't included the part that has the actual footnotes. It's kinda useless knowing that footnote 18 is relevant to this is we don't know what footnote 18 says ...
That said, as an Australian myself, I can definitely corroborate what you're saying about being taught basic respect for the animal. We don't have anything that crazy around here, the most we have is a Red-bellied Black snake or the (very) occasional Tiger snake, but we're taught the same: Leave it alone; it's perfectly happy going about its day, you should just go about yours (and make sure you don't step on it, or near enough that it feels threatened).
@@Robaus79 one thing, ld50 is for mice. Humans are not mice, acrylamide and thalidomide show that while a useful model, it's not a perfect model
@@a_lethe_ion I guess the bottom line is that whether a snake is the most potentially lethal or not - the key point is that casual handling or irritating and stressing any highly venomous reptile can have dire consequences. Luckily the natural habitat of the inland taipan is in extremely remote regions - far from a major population.
"There's a serial killer on the loose!"
Shows picture of a golden retriever puppy.
It actually looked like the news attempted to be clear that he was keeping dangerously venomous snakes and not just regular pet snakes. Their pictures could have been better, but the news probably used what they already had on hand. The guy himself did not step up to the responsibility he took on by owning unusually dangerous venomous snakes.
It isn't just that he owned dangerously venomous snakes, it's that he kept them in containers they could have escaped from, he free-handled them, and he did not keep any anti-venom on hand for his exotic species in case of a bite (anti-venom for snakes like the taipan takes months to obtain via purchasing). He believed that, because he had experience free-handling them for 40+years, he would never get bit.
@@annep.1905he also stated antivenin is for p***y’s.. then was begging for ppl to give him antivenin after he berated some of the most well known keepers
It doesn't matter. When the authorities get involved and laws start getting drafted, the nuances get washed away. "All Exotics" and "All Venomous Reptiles" will be what the laws say. What makes a species "Exotic"? I have a Western Hognose and I live in PA. Strictly speaking...from the standpoint of the PA Dept. of Wildlife...it's "exotic." It's also, venomous. Are the questions really that different if it was a Cobra? What if it gets out? It's an "invasive" species. What if it "bites" someone? It is, like I said, venomous. Not only that, you need to take a look at local laws already: I live in PA which means I can't keep any "locally occurring species" (to stop people from "harvesting" local species)--that means I have to keep an "exotic" species--though ironically, if I have a hunting and fishing license I CAN actually harvest and keep TWO TIMBER RATTLESNAKES (go figure 🙄). So, if PA or my local jurisdiction decides to outlaw "exotic" and/or "venomous" species then I am breaking the law with my little Hognose...
@@annep.1905I once had a pet sitting business, usually slept in the homes. My second stay, the clients mentioned that their adult son had an apartment in the basement (large home) and may be in and out occasionally. I heard an alarm going off down there and having no way to contact the son, I went down to check. He had cages full of hots and a Cayman down there! Sure didn't appreciate not being told from the get-go. I don't mind Mastiffs but rattle snakes, I'd like to know they're secure!
@@katiekane5247 I agree! At the very least, I'd like to know about them in advance. When I hike where rattlesnakes are, I try to exercise extra caution. I wouldn't much appreciate walking into a home where they live and aren't secured, especially not if I had no clue they might be there in the first place!
One question: do you happen to know when or how venomous snakes started getting called "hots?" I never heard them called that until a few days ago, and I'm curious.
Being a venomous keeper. This story deeply disturbed me. Legislative action will likely be taken. Responsible venomous owners are going to take all the bs and be forced to move or relocate their animals. It’s genuinely sad we’re here because of one individual. They alway say, it only takes one to ruin it for everyone else.
The saddest thing about this story is the snakes were euthanised
and he survived
The saddest part is that every RUclipsr now is blowing the story out of proportion and bringing tons of unnecessary attention to the snake hobby. Then those same people will complain about the attention they are getting. RUclips is a cesspool of morons and hypocrisy.
@user-lr4ht1uw1z ill never understand anyone's fear of speaking on a topic that need be discussed out of fear of appearance or backlash. I find it the trait of a coward to stay silent about one's own values because there may be a troll out there somewhere that doesn't approve.
The wrong animals died...
@@user-lr4ht1uw1z Disagree. This is the time that responsible keepers need to be vocal that this guy is not at all representative of the rest of the community.
I appreciate you making a video on this. I think more keepers should speak up. Say this man is not the best representation of the reptile community to hopefully not have laws change for the worst.
I'm not surprised that all of my favorite responsible snake keepers on RUclips have similar views on this issue. Thanks for sharing!
Yeah hopefully Chandler Noah and viper keeper will decide to stop free handling snakes just for RUclips clickbait
One thing that doesn't get said enough is they apparently tried to re-home the snakes before euthanizing them. They should get credit for that. That is much different than euthanizing them because they are hot snakes.
Yeah, they specifically got euthanized because the conditions they were kept in were considered too high of a disease risk to introduce to existing zoos/collections/etc.
@@josephtripp1696 I'm sure somewhere like snake discovery or NERD could handle the rescue. I'd also bet there are less than 10 facilities qualified and able to take in a collection like that.
It should be part of protocol that if you keep them, you need to have a contingency home in place.
Yeh I’ve watched so much on this story and this was the first time I heard they did attempt to re-home the remaining snakes.
I@@staceyroberts3468Its been in the written media multiple times plus another YTers channel so its out there without too much effort looking.
I never considered myself a snake person. I grew up with the mindset that "the only good snake is a dead snake." However, after joining a Facebook group dedicated to identifying snakes, I've come to respect them and understand their role in the ecosystem. I've even found myself watching snake videos and enjoying them!
I empathize with what the snake enthusiasts are experiencing. As a staunch supporter of the Second Amendment, I recognize how the media can twist narratives to make certain topics seem worse than they are. It’s important for us to come together and act responsibly; otherwise, we risk losing our rights. Good luck guys! Keep up with the education!
This is exactly the same thing I was thinking. My Daughter is the one who got me into Reptiles. She has 2 Turtles, 2 Leopard Geckos and a awesome Corn Snake, now I enjoy them as much as she does.
Also being a 2nd Amendment Supporter This is the exact same thing we deal with every single day and it's ignorance that is the downfall of peoples hobbies.
Good luck with educating the press.
Everything you said was right on point. That part about helping people is no joke. My inbox and messenger are full of those exact conversations, when I've carved out a couple of hours of my day just to help somebody do better for their animals.
I saw a recent Instagram post by the dude that took the bite. He was in his hospital bed. He was basically bragging that he got the bite on video. Maybe he didn't learn from this.
Dude has been bit several times by his venomous snakes because he handles them like they're ball pythons. This time it was from a snake toxic enough to almost kill him so it made the news.
The crazy thing was that he has been in a medically induced coma, on a ventilator, in active renal failure (for days now) when that video was posted. Which means one of his family members is continuing to post on his account… continuing his shit talking, while he lies near death. Really sad they’re continuing to condone his behavior.
@@ethanray-louisvilleaquasca3553 Don't forget his posting just days before: "Anti-Venom is for pu$$ies" Seems his getting anti-venom saved his life. That and the snake being so young/small.
@@ethanray-louisvilleaquasca3553 he's no longer in a coma, he went live a few times from his hospital bed explaining what happened with the bite and with his snakes.
Next time the antivenom banks will all say no
I had to pause and say, THEY SHOW A HARMLESS BP WHILE SPEAKING ON THE TAIPAN 🤯🤬😢
If the first video in their search was of a legless lizard they'd show that... heck, if their first video was a giant millipede or earthworm they'd probably show that!
Mostly unrelated: I've always loved reptiles, snakes in particular. Holding my ball python now actually.
I named my longest lived cat Taipan because she was *maybe* 5 weeks old when I got her, and she was so tiny I wanted to give her the name of something "fierce" - so Taipan it was, after the much revered fierce snake!
When i hear the name "taipan" i think of a snake in a martial arts gi, doing a cool kata with a sword at a tourament with hundreds of fans watching in awe, with "Eye of the Tiger" playing in the background.
This is a big reason why I don’t like telling people I own reptiles. They already have a preconceived notion that reptiles are bad & the people who own them are worse. People will stay stuck in that state of mind when stuff like this happens & it makes the news.
I tell people I own them to break the preconceived notions.
You have said what needed to be said. My heart is broken for the animals. I do not keep reptiles, but I believe you have the right to keep them wall.
Thanks for your calm reasoned approach.
in Toronto 2006 a Egyptian cobra escaped from a rooming house the entire building had to be evacuated the animal was found a year latter dead the Toronto Zoo tried to help find the animal this could of gone tragically wrong there is no anti-venom for this snake when I first read the story I was hoping the Toronto Zoo would of found it your exactly right it's ego getting more likes and subs , from watching many good keepers Tai-pan though gorgeous is like owning a live a grenade , unless you have years and years of experience even with experience one mistake that's it I feel for the animals always in these situations not their fault ,
Oh, ya, I remember that. That was my brother-in-law looking for the cobra.
I live in South Carolina and love that we can have animals. I don't love that there are people like that guy here with them. I've personally seen some odd things in people's homes but never where I thought the animals were abused.
I remember back in 2011, a boy in Wisconsin was bitten by a Gaboon viper he had as a pet. He received antivenom from the zoo near where he lived, depleting the supply they had on hand.
Bruh, who is giving an ELEVEN YEAR OLD a venomous snake???
@cjboyo he wasn't 11 it was in 2011. I think he was in early 20's at the time
@@lilkim977 Lol I can’t read for shit today
Totally off topic, but have you ever been told that you look like John Wayne?
Hahaha, nope! I always heard Patrick Swayze when I was younger :-)
florence county has a regualtion that says all hots need to registered and pay a fee for them as well which jeff never did
What’s the name of his RUclips? Thank you.
@@wren5732 www.youtube.com/@Swaggersthecat/featured
@@wren5732@swaggersthecat
SwaggersTheCat is his RUclips
Right now it’s called not dead yet
What a great video! I agree with every single point you’ve made. I really hate that they showed BPs too. People don’t know the difference. Such great information here.
What caught my attention in particular and impressed me quite a bit was capt. Starling at 8:03. You can hear the genuine regret in his voice that this is how things had to happen. They tried to rehome these animals and looked for an alternative instead of going right in, nail guns blazing, and it's more than obvious this man is very disappointed that they eventually had no other choice but to euthanize them. Respect!
Great video man. Those news clips were infuriating, especiallt hearing the things about "how can it be legal?" Did you see the video the other day with the weather guy who called a diamond back watersnake a rattlesnake cottonmouth hybrid and then went on to say when two venomous snakes crossbreed they're nonvenomous🤦♂️. It was wild
Wow.
😂 whaaaaaat
I'm a tiny female who never shied from handling large, potentially dangerous dogs and farm animals. That said, I'm now older and disabled. I'm even careful taking our Ball out when I'm home alone. I'd hate to fall and have Sulley get hurt or loose 😊
Size isn't what determines control but thinking you're infallible will get you every time!
Thank you for discussing this in the way you did. It NEEDS to be talked about, but not sensationalized.
Thank you for talking about USAARK., and thank you for reiterating that reptile people need to lift each other up and cooperate. The show-boating and gate-keeping doesnt help anyone; especially not the animals. 🖤
I wish the really big channels would step up to bad actors in the animal hobby like Jay,Robs Aquatics,and Bass Fishing Productions.
@@jurassicroom7673 I recently watched a video made by a popular Reptile channel and the subject was a list of the top ppl in the hobby who aren’t so great for the reptile community and I was so curious to see if he had enough nerve to bring up Jay. I was disappointed he wasn’t mentioned 🥴
@staceyroberts3468 If that was Wickens Wicked Reptiles, then I believe that list was a fan vote, and he stated at the beginning that some people would or wouldn't be on the list.
My husband and I researched boas for months and months before we got one, had enclosures, temps and humidity before we brought ours home…because we are first time snake owners!
local to me ( I actually have known the kid since he was born) a kid was bit by a rattlesnake. It wasn't a pet or anything it was just in a barn and the kid was moving hay and accidentally stepped on it. the news did about a two minute segment and never made it into a sensational story just talked about how good the antivenom worked. also the kid is completely fine though he was hospitalized for a few day.
Anybody with half a brain could've seen this coming!! Sorry not sorry, I subscribed to this guy after seeing just 1 video, solely based on the fact I knew he was gonna get tagged sooner or later! Turns out it was sooner!! I'm glad he survived so far, & kinda interested to see if he continues to post videos on any level, and how he handles the whole thing. If it was me, you'd never see me again, but I dont think this dudes ego will let himself disappear!!
I got nailed b 17.5 footer and let me tell ya, I'll never forget the power behind that strike. It felt like I got hit by a baseball bat in the forearm. Not to mention I was all sliced up because I jerked my arm away.
I agree with you on the media needing to get the information straight before reporting. The part I tend to disagree with you on is in every state there needs to be some official set of minimum standards, enforced by the DNR, FWA, etc, that need to be met to keep these “HOT” critters. I don’t give a damn how many years of experience someone has, in no way, shape, or form should anyone be allowed to keep them in plastic totes in an apartment building!!!
They definitely need to be secured, ESPECIALLY in that close of proximity to other people...that would have been absolutely horrific if that snake got away and bit a neighbor kid
@@IntrepidExotics thank you for taking my comment EXACTLY as I intended! There’s just too many opportunities in that situation for things to go south in a big hurry, especially with someone acting as irresponsible as he apparently has in the past according to some comments on here and other snippets I’ve seen. Have a great rest of the weekend sir and be safe!
Jeffrey should never be allowed to have any type of presence on RUclips again. What he was allowed to film and present was completely irresponsible and reckless. That said, my next opinion will probably not be shared by most people in the reptile community. But, I don't believe that any individual, in any state should be allowed to keep any venomous reptiles any more potent that a hognose snake, mangrove snake, vine snake, etc. Only licensed zoos, wildlife facilities, venom labs and other educational facilities should be permitted to keep dangerously venomous reptiles. Freedom is the ability to do whatever you feel like doing, it is the responsibility to choose to do what is right, for yourself and those around you.
Guns are more lethal, should those be banned as well?
@@IntrepidExotics I was anticipating that someone would probably raise that question. first of all, firearms are protected under the second amendment, venomous reptiles are not. I wouldn't compare an inanimate tool with a living unpredictable animal. When someone is killed and a gun is involved, it is not the gun's fault, it is the person who pulled the trigger. If a crime was involved then the person pays for that crime, not the gun. And we do have regulations around gun ownership. In most states you need a permit to carry a handgun. In most states you need to take a firearm safety course as well. A gun will never act independently and kill someone on it's own. So, the gun does not need to be regulated, the person does.
Same with lethal venomous reptiles. In the state of FL you need to have a license to keep venomous reptiles and the FWC will inspect your facility and make a determination as to whether you can keep them or not. You also need to have a valid reason for wanting to keep them, either for research or for education. Why is it that some states have no regulations or guidelines? I love Gaboon Vipers. I loved them as a kid. I think they are the most beautiful snake out there and I always wanted to own one. As I've gotten older I'm content to look at them in a zoo or at a licensed keeper's facility. The think with Hot reptiles, if you own them long enough, you're eventually going to get tagged. Look at the top RUclips producers like Chandler and Tyler. I believe Tyler has been bitten twice and Chandler almost died last year from handling venomous snakes. Should that be a right that everyone should have indiscriminately? Often times they are putting others at risk and not just themselves. I don't think that licensing and permitting people with a valid reason for owning these animals is unreasonable.
If the constitution is read, if it is not explicitly denied in the constitution, rights exist until they are denied by law, that however is not free reign to for laws to simply be made to infringe on the rights of others based on opinions of those who simply have a different opinion
@@rickrice8102 I just want to point out that Tyler and Chandler have been/are free handlers. The chances of getting bitten goes up astronomically by free handling venomous snakes. But their bites occurred when they were being especially foolish and not by their own snakes (not defending them). But not every venomous keeper is a free handler and/or irresponsible.
@@rickrice8102 As has been shown multiple times FWC is a joke and cannot do their jobs right.
and he did not learn. Last Short from the Hospital shows that.
This is just a horrible situation. The exposure is wrong, and like wise, our response. From outright hatred of this keeper to his people writing reviews of a zoo that refuses to share their employee supply of anti- venom.
Sadly, this keeper showed very dangerous practices. His actions caused this situation and this community will pay for it.
I agree with you on the fact they show a Ball(and I think they threw a Carpet Python in there too?) and talk about the actual dangerous snakes and it completely confuses what’s what for non reptile people. It also creates more issues for us with lawmakers and such
Leebowitz was covetous and sneaky. Leebowitz wanted everyone to believe his way is the only way. When Leebowitz was in need, he went back on all of his values. Leebowitz did not care about using life-saving antivenom at the expense of those who are actual professionals and may need it for an actual accident. Leebowitz is a Leebowitz and got Leebowitz'd by his own, as he Leebowitz'd others.
My fav snake is the Taipan and the Coral Snake
Boomslang for me but the Inland Taipan is def my #2
I don't generally approve of venomous keeping for most people. We are not infallible beings and we make mistakes all the time. Leave it to the antivenin harvesters, responsible educators, and zoological organizations, imho. Sorry if that angers any hot keepers. Just my personal opinion. FYI, I do keep hognoses and know the difference between most rear-fanged species and stuff like taipans and gaboons. I just don't want less careless people to get hurt.
*I'm not out here voting in favor of bans or anything, so no worries. You're probably right if you're thinking I don't know enough. :)
I’m a snake owner but never venomous ones. Been keeping snakes since I was 10 now I’m 53 I think and just my opinion only professional snake handler should own them that milk them to help other that been bit . I saw this guy video and said just a matter of time before he gets tagged. Glade he did not die ty God for saving him. God bless us all and to all a bless day stay safe people 🙏❤️
I totally agree with you everybody needs to work together and help each other out most people that I have known to own venomous eventually have gotten bit
I had never heard of him until all of this came up. I have watched a few of his videos now and I was completely shocked of how he not only handled those snakes recklessly, but it looked to me like he was trying to get bite. He did kinda prove how the snakes don't really want to bit. But, he could have used a rubber hand to prove that. I really appreciate the way you communicated the story in a truthful, but not hateful way.
Great video. Like your clear and positive view of the situation.
Hello you just popped up in my feed. Very wise words I can't believe what this guy did. Here in the UK you have to be licenced to have venomous. I started with cornsnakes and then got a beautiful woma python took hits from her but now she's so tame. When I got some experience behind me I got two western hognose despite not being highly venomous I handle them with respect and hooks. The parrot mostly gets handled by the hook of shame when he's peckish and needs back in his cage. All of them including the bearded dragon and hermit crab are treated like royalty and given the best care I can provide.
It just boggles the mind. No charges filed. And all the snakes get to lose their lives. Mind blowing.
Why would they file charges against him , mind your own business
This was a good video, and I like your perspective on this.
Something I noticed in the news clip that you showed that made so angry was the way they used the snake's eye view footage. That made me so angry because the message that sent was, "These VENOMOUS animals could get out, slither into your backyards, and get you too!" Or, and this is something I've seen elsewhere, people think they will get out, become an eatablished invasive species, and become a permanent danger. The usage of that footage was very intentional.
I dont keep snakes, but I follow people who keep hots... responsibly. They don't freehandle, have their animals in secure spaces, have bite protocols, and respect what their snakes can do. Jeff's actions could hurt them, and I know they're worried about the legislative repercussions.
In the early 2000s you could own just about anything that wasn't native (and a lot that was) in Oregon. That changed in the early 2000s when a pet alligator escaped its owner's house and terrified the neighbors. It was big news at the time. Soon afterwards legislators passed a law banning crocodilians, venomous snakes, wild felids & canines (& most hybrids of them) etc etc. you need a license now to have those animals, which also opens your facility up to inspections. That's an example of how one bad owner can mess things up for a lot of folks.
How can a news reporter not know the difference between bit and bitten
Clemson's Biology department should feel humiliated they got this airhead to represent them -- "with all snakes in general, you should keep a safe distance from them and only handle them if you're a professional" "if you are into keeping exotic snakes, obviously knowing about them and where they come from and everything like that is definitely very important." Wow, great insight there. Good thing you spent all those years in school.
Don't expect everyone to be endowed with as much common-sense and foresight. It doesn't and won't happen 😒
@@lanaharlow2515 She said snakes in general should only be handled by professionals. That's ridiculous.
I would imagine those were the sound bites the news pulled from the interview. They were probably bridges to discuss different aspects of the snakes. Don’t underestimate the news’ ability to dumb down any story.
And this guy made a video short from the hospital just bragging about how he got it on video🤦♀️ he didnt learn anything. And doesnt seem to care that all his snakes got killed
What a shame
The listed mambas and Gaboon vipers and they clearly had no idea. If they knew a little more, they would have been much more scared. If they had known a lot more, they wouldn't have been scared at all.
What
@@llars1559 it really wasn't that complicated.
U can say goodbye to keeping anything in that city
Well said sir! As always.
Great video, 😊Tim ❤
Should we ban cars every time someone crashes? 🤦♀️
Ask an Aussie about our poisonous snakes. Rule 1 don’t touch!!
What happens when an EF3 + tornado levels one of these houses with venomous snakes and they get loose. I understand the risk of tornados are slim but are these keepers animals kept in such a way they won’t get loose if struck by natural disasters?
Thumbs up from me. In the UK there has been a similar issue, minus the venomous bite, but apparently someone was constricted by a Burmese Python. The headlines did all the usual uneducated snake things and PETA and the RSPCA (Royal Society for the Protection of Animals) called for an outright ban on keeping all exotic animals! Keepers of these animals have to be responsible. If making RUclips videos be responsible - don't handle venomous snakes freely, IMHO, don't handle them at all on camera - the camera is a distraction that you do not need. Wear appropriate clothing. I had a black King snake attack my big toe when feeding it and I was barefoot. Lesson learned - it didn't hurt and it was an older juvenile, but it would have been different if it was my adult Burmese. There will always be irresponsible idiots, idiots that put themselves in harms way. My Venomous creatures were tarantulas. I never handled them except by moving them into a cut off plastic bottle to carry out maintenance or to put with a female for breeding.
I stopped telling people about my hobby as all it would take is one malicious individual and I could potentially have them seized and be prosecuted for a dirty water bowl in a snake enclosure that I hadn't got round to cleaning out. It is just not worth it.
My advice, don't film your animals. If you have to for whatever reason, be responsible, act responsibly, show the correct precautions, educate, don't glamorize. I would also question why keep venomous snakes that really could kill you, even as a hatchling unless you are carrying out scientific research or milking venom for antivenom production. It is a risk to you, your kin, neighbours and so on. Even the most professional hobbyist makes a mistake and that could cost the hobby quite dearly through knee jerk local legislation.
In this case, this man was clearly not willing to listen to anyone tell him anything and lied about his experience. He should have been blacklisted by the community entirely.
I've been bitten by more people than ball pythons. Do your research before you show photos...
More people have been killed by other people than any animal. That said anybody that keeps a pet has a responsibility to respect the animal. Any dangerous animal can be kept IF they are treated with respect, and gain the trust of the animal. As far as snakes they bite because they are hungry or scared. It can take years to get a hot snake's trust.
its so odd they say theres no ordinance for this but this but there is lol i read it 3 days ago it says you can keep them but then says you cant buy sell trade release or resale . so if you cant buy or sell them , then how the hell can you own them, so the question is now is would they have taken the snakes if they were in nicer set ups . and all venomous vendors at shows have to sign some kind of forms for them as well. So how is it i can find this info but the media in Sc cant
He had no backup for care and feeding while he's deathly ill for weeks. So they would just leave them there to starve? I don't think they had a choice but to kill them quickly. Who will care for them, who knows how to care for them? They need special care soaks and frozen rats and rats that won't bite them. Very sad.
@@rosyclown he is son was there he was mentioned as the who let the cops .
He abused the animals in his care, endangered his neighbors and himself. He is irresponsible and his posts are disgusting.
Chandler's Wildlife may have taken them. Tyler Nolan also..
Why if you watch their videos they're just as bad? And there clearly part of the problem.
Are you forgetting that both Tyler and Chandler have been bitten by a cobra, resulting in the loss of a finger
I learn so much about snakes and other reptiles from Chandler. We no longer kill snakes around our farm that are venomous and can also detect the difference between non and venomous. You people that put Chandler down are doing NOTHING to educate the public and are completely unknown to everyone and useless to the public.
It looks like it was a Burmese Python they were showing (6:53). Looks like a baby. Very familiar with the markings. I had one that went from 2’ to 12’ in 2 years. She was a big dumb ox of a snake, but generally had a good temperament & _strong_ food response.
The only law I would support is to make sure that those that keep these types of exotic animals have so many hours of being taught by a professional handler and that the conditions that the animals are kept is safe. Of course, it would be a bonus if that person actually cared about their animals instead of trying to get you tube views. Sounds like, from the condition this individual’s home was found in , that he shouldn’t care animals of any type at all.
Cool video....can u do a video on size potentials of mainland reticulated pythons...because I've heard some can get 30 feet or more....because the biggest on record is 27 feet so it's possible for them to reach 30 feet or more
So I could be wrong but the longest recorded Retic was 23 ft (almost 7 meters)
@@kubuleatill741 because they say Medusa is 27 feet
Ya,bad deal all around.And while I no longer keep reptiles,20 years ago I started keeping tarantulas.And while a tarantula bite wont kill you,its not fun if bitten by an Old World species.And what effects the reptile world,can and will effect the invert hobby.We have the same issue with inverts,by having "You Tube heroes",handling Poecilotheria species from India/Sri Lanka and many medically significant spiders,not just tarantulas.Then the lawmakers get the pens out,and start writing laws,and it goes down hill from there.
It seems to me that there should be licensing to own these deadly animals as they are a potential threat to the community. Owners of these animals should be trained and certified on their handling, storage, and care. Mishandling and mistreatment of the animals should be criminal acts. Also owners of these dangerous animals should show they have the financial resources to care for the animals, are not felons, and do not use illegal drugs.
I would love to keep hot animals and have had chances to work with UK keepers who encouraged me to get certificated. But I have wicked ADHD and know better than to think I am built for that. If only more people had the same self awareness then there would be far less of these events.
Maybe a wake up call for the rest of you who keep venomous snakes as a hobby. Whenever this happens they always managed to pass new laws and the animals are always the ones that get destroyed and suffer in the end. Hopefully some of the biggest RUclips celebrities like Chandler and Noah will stop free handling venomous snakes and acting so childish because they're part of the problem. Yeah nobody liked their video of them swimming with the rattlesnake acting like kindergarteners. It's clear people see other people do and they want to duplicatewhat they do. Makes you wonder how people like Chandler in Florida is even able to get a venomous license when he acts so irresponsible. We get it they make their money off of ClickBank and RUclips videos but this is a great example of none of you are going to be able to keep snakes in the future.
Prepare to be lambasted by the drones for this one. The RUclips celebrities are off limits for these people, and its okay to be a dipshit with these animals when it's them. I agree with you 1000% but yeah, prepare for the pitchforks lmao
Thank you. We really need to work together for the health of the animals and the reptile industry. "I love to handle the most venomous snake in my area", but it's the Garter snake. The problem my little joke even though true will put these sweet animals in danger.
These animals deserve respect. They can kill you. If your an experienced and safe owner that’s one thing but the guy who got bit dosent sound like he was. He was reckless and it’s causing problem for you and other people and that’s not fair.
It's *taipan* not tai-pan
I'll have to change that, thank you :-)
If it's not against the law to own venomous snakes and they aren't citing him with any crime at all, why did they seize his property and destroy it? Those snakes were his property. Think about it. Are the police just allowed to seize your property with no crime being charged?
They did so with his permission according to reports. They were kept poorly and there was apparently nobody nearby that could safely house them.
@@IntrepidExotics I heard his father authorized the euthanasia but you can't trust everything you hear online or media. The important thing is that I did see pictures of his reptile room and it was shameful. The animals were being abused by neglect.
I respect your love for the reptiles, I do like watching them too. But I do believe that they should never be owned as pets at home, especially the poisonous ones. There are always irresponsible people. There are always accidents.
So based on that logic, I'm sure you would suggest people not be able to own firearms right?
@@IntrepidExotics no more giving out driving licenses all willy nilly either! Danger danger danger.
@@IntrepidExotics firearms - yes, no reason to own them unless you need it as a protection from occasional wild life. I mean... otherwise I can argue that having a biolab or nuclear reactor at home is also a fair game if I love to play with viruses as a hobby, right?
But I am not from US. I do understand the notion of freedom with respect to owning a gun.
@@OctopusWithNoFriends difference is that people need to drive cars in their daily life (lets not go into the public transport debate). People don't _need_ exotic animals at their home.
@@happydays4176 people don't *need* the right to pursue their individual passions... 🤔 But we should keep that right.
Jay is one of the worst content creators and does nothing but show snakes in a negative light
Maple Syrup…. Oh yum!!! 😂
I understand what you mean I have 20 advanced level boas and pythons, a American bully. All people do is promote misinformation because they are petty and hateful towards people who keep exotics.
I have 34 ballers there awesome pets and I thought the same thing about the picture
Wow they Euthanized all the snakes??? This dude messed up bad! I have never heard of him until now! And I'm upset because these poor snakes were put to sleep because of some boozos not so smart decisions 😒
This guy was 💯a jack ass . Definitely an unfortunate situation with a bad outcome . People are super irresponsible I have a adult tegu that was found at an elementary school and mind you I live in Washington the great PNW so that was someone’s pet that got out and I never seen any post about the tegu no one said a ward about loosing an adult 4ft lizard lol again people are not very responsible
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So now all your snakes are dead. You lost your cat. How do you feel about that
Is it the bite that is bringing attention or videos like this bringing attention? Now everyone on RUclips is making a video about one snake bite. If everyone just shut up there wouldn't be so much attention.
It's already drawn attention...if you actually watched the video and the only thing you gleaned from it was drawing attention to this guy, watch it again until you comprehend the point that was made.
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But it IS dramatic. How many Ameris are almost killed by an inland Taipan? Depending on where he lives, the snake (s) could have escaped him after the bite. It's a dramatic story, beause not many people keep deadly reptiles. And the panic online proves you ALL think it's a front page, dramatic story. Don't be disingenuous, practices among animal keepers SHOULD be noted when something rare and deadly exists in normally placid neighborhoods. I'm not for more laws, but animal husbandry and its effects on the public requires our educated concern. Photos of the wrong snake notwithstanding, they did show some of his OTHER captive species. Make no mistake, watching his vids post-bite, he's a careless jerk who should have no pets, imo. But the media covered a story that def WAS dramatic for many. Including the views all of you known keepers are getting now for jumping into it.
I think I stated specifically it should be addressed, while simply pointing out the fact that whatever happens, the media will always put the most dramatic spin possible on it while putting little effort into finer details, like posting accurate pictures. I'm not entirely sure what part you found "disingenuous" by simply pointing out facts and encouraging responsible keeping.
Shouldn't the people be protected?? Not doing a good job policing of yourself's are you??
There's outliers in every community. Considering the amount of people who work with reptiles of any stripe the number of incidents is rather low, particularly when you compare it to any other dangerous activity from driving, firearms, motorcycles, skydiving; there are irresponsible, dangerous people in every group. Our goal as a community is, as it should be with every group, is to promote safety and call out unsafe, irresponsible behavior...which is the entire point of this video.
Describing Jeff's conduct as "an outlier" is rather generous to outliers.
Free-handling an inland taipan for Facebook views with zero access to antivenin (and declaring "it's for pussies") is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard.
I'm not a keeper, but I've been following this story for weeks because the idiocy was so awe-inspiring.
This bite will be written about for years. It's difficult to overstate the caliber of moron the world was introduced to here.
I know Tyler Nolan has Batman and Robin huge Rattlesnakes and he free handles his King Cobra but his snakes love and trust him
Snakes do not love or trust you. They tolerate you. Show me a snake that is capable of showing love! Thinking a snake loves or trusts you will get you but. Why? Because you get complacent and careless. You get to relaxed around the snake.
@virgildailey1970 any creature that can feel fear can feel contentment. Love is an abstract concept that has no physical definition, therefore anyone who claims anything that is capable of feeling anything is somehow forfeit love is little more than engaging in egocentric ramblings. Opinions from those who lack understanding are worth less than the dirt under our feet.
I’m thinking Tyler Nolan or Chandler would have be given the chance to Rescue a few of them snakes
nothing is drawing more attention to it than every one making a damn video about it for views. sometimes the best policy is to look the othr way
That is the weakest display of dumbasserry I've read yet. "the best policy is to look the other way" is a philosophy that has allowed the worst of human nature to do the most damage to our planet and every species on it, including our own. May I suggest if you feel this was about views and not the message, "look the other way"...the rest of us have problems to address.
Only handle if your professional there know such thing even Professional gets bit
This is all screwed but i gurss atleast they are now smart enough to not call them POISONOUS snakes lol