Even if she could be redeemed, (which I don't think she should, she *willingly* helped Belos with his plan to commit genocide,) there simply wasn't time after season 3 was cut short.
@@БогданЗелинский-ю9з she knew that Belos was gonna kill atleast almost everyone during the day of unity but she still helped him because she though that he would have given her a position of power. In other words she assisted him at committing genocide
@@БогданЗелинский-ю9з assisting in genocide, regardless of context, is literally considered a war crime by not only the UN but also just by most country's colloquial standards.
Of all characters on the show, Odalia is the very...VERY last one I would want to see get a redemption. Darius, yes Edric and Emira, most definitely Matholomule...maybe Lilith...it took some time for me to warm up to HER but in the end, she more than earned a place in my heart. But Odalia, I would NEVER forgive a worthless cow like her in a million years. She's cruel, shallow, manipulative, greedy and above all, apathetic. Odalia had ZERO issues with wiping out her entire world and everyone in it, so long as SHE got to "live the high life" in the end. She's worse than Terra Snapdragon, Principal Faust, Tibbles and even Adrian Grey; who was nothing more than a pretentious jerkwad. However...I can think of ONE positive thing about Odalia that many of us can probably agree on. Compared to Belos; she's like a petty popular girl in a high school from a horror movie, as a villain
I like a well crafted, nuanced enemy to ally story arc (like Zuko’s in Avatar The Last Airbender), but Belos and Odalia were irredeemable, and I’m glad they didn’t even try to argue otherwise.
I saw a comic where Kikimora, Odalia and Tibbles were in a jail cell, and Odalia was being dramatic and trying to be epic, but then Tibbles was released from jail early
I think luz said it best. “This is more complicated…” i doubt amity would ever take an apology from her, as a person who highly relates to her AND has mother issues, I wouldn’t either. If you try hard enough, everything could be traced down to odalia, as she knew what was going to happen (kinda). She doesn’t deserve an apology, and unfortunately, not everyone is redeemable or has kindness in them
When Amity was reuniting with Alador, Odalia was just standing there, scowling at them. She didn't even bother to see if her daughter was okay. Usually, when there's a bad parent in a TV show or film, they have at least a few moments that show that they somewhat care about their kids, but Odalia is a different one. She really doesn't love her kids at all.
More likely she was upset that her status on the isles was ruined. Not that she ever had it even during the Collector's rule but she wouldn't have seen it as such with the title mamadalia. Lol! She was never even humbled during that time and still tried to do things to make herself look more better or more powerful.
@@kmmk5022 no I mean if that scene at the end where she appeared in the background while Amity and Alador hugged didn't show that she was there then when Belos infected Raine we could of just assumed that Belos after consuming Raine killed her
I think it's literally impossible to redeem Odalia no matter what they did it's impossible to redeem her. I'm glad she was replaced by Camilia in that storyboard
Let's face it, Camila was a great mother who had initially just given into peer pressure from the principal to send Luz to that camp, which ironically turned Vee into the boiling isles resident that was the most used to the human realm in season 3.
@oprime Camilias literally one of the best mothers in animation imo. I feel awful for her what happened with the principal :( At least it led to Vee getting to the human realm though
The only way they could possibly even consider redemption is if she had been shown experiencing the draining spell & realizing that she'd been used like everyone else. Of course we did see it in Terra & Kikimiki, and it didn't make a difference for them so it's unlikely to have with her either. I don't know that it would have helped if she'd seen one of her kids going through it either because we've seen how she treated them. I have wondered though what her reaction would be to seeing Amity's response to getting affection from Camila & Lilith (since Lilith seems to have become a surrogate mom to Amity at the end). Or if her attitude might change a bit towards Luz, who has the status of being a big sister to a young Titan & having wielded the powers of a Titan herself to defeat Belos.
Even if she had been shown experiencing what even the coven heads did, she would have just blamed others like she did with Amity. As for the status of Luz, of course she would try to work her way into it to keep her own status worth on the boiling isles and ultimately like Belos at the end, she would have failed.
You know I’ve been thinking. Even Demona from Disney’s Gargoyles, the vengeful ex-spouse of Goliath and mother of Angela, would be disgusted by Odalia betraying and allowing the mass murder of her own witch kind. Sure Demona once turned the humans of Manhattan into stone by night, and even smashed a few of them, but at least Demona had a good reason for being misanthropic cause she witnessed how most humans have mistreated and or betrayed gargoyles. Perhaps Demona is a million times more likely to have a change of heart than Odalia.
(This isn't a hate comment) Like you said... It would be really hard to redeem and trust odalia.... But then how do we easily redeem and trust Lilith and hunter?? (This isn't hate it's just my opinion on this topic... Sorry if it came out rude)
@@Stringbeeenedits Lilith was just doing orders from Belos. She was more focused on Eda then Luz. Hunter is innocent. He didn't really do anything wrong. He just wanted to make his "Uncle proud". He was always following orders. He was lied to. Odalia's just a bad person in general. She's rude. She doesn't know how to be a good mother. She only cares for money.
@@Stringbeeenedits for me it's the difference in their motivations. Lilith joined the Emperor's Coven because she believed that he was doing what's best for the Isles and its people even if that lead to her doing questionable things, because they were for the greater good. Hunter was raised by the emperor and believed, despite everything, that he was a good man, that anything his 'uncle' did had to have good reason. Neither of them would have believed Belos could commit genocide back when they served him. Odalia on the other hand wasn't at all surprised by the whole genocide plan and was absolutely fine with it if she came out on top. She believed in power, not in the man.
@@ricocav I totally understand what you said and I agree that Lilith got off way too easy especially after cursing eda... But I mean she could have an illness which akes her believe she is either always right or that she doesn't feel like has enough control so she manipulates and pushes people lower than her so she can feel above the rest Idk tho😅
I don't know, I mean they retcon Alador so they could do the same for her and no one will notice because they would be too busy to not look at the signs and blame it on someone else.
I wonder if Odalia along with the evil coven heads such as Terra, Adrian, and vitimir was just exiled to stay in the collector's castle seeing they willingly helped Belos and in Odalia's she went along with genocide and willingly helped the collector and let everyone stay as puppets
I think that after her family kinda pushed her away, Odalia would eventually realise how wrong she was so maybe a redemption arc with her would be possible, but a reunion with her family less likely
My stepmom was just like Odalia, a controlling, manipulative narcissist who enjoyed acclaim and high social status and in turn made the abuse she put me through invisible to the outside world, as nobody would believe me over her. Sadly, my dad didn't stand up to her like Alador did, instead he did whatever she needed him to do to help "keep me in line." They're both dead to me. Ironically the only notable difference between Odalia and my stepmom, is that my stepmom is also homophobic (which doesn't exist on the Boiling Isles, even for people as awful as Odalia, and they made a point to emphasize that in Clouds on the Horizon)
4:26 Actually, you're right. It's revealed in the livestream hosted by the creator of the owl house that he did indeed divorce her. P.S It turns out her kids have a choice to visit her but they chose not to.
Yeah to me at least that's a big no Odalia has had chance to change time and time again and never done so she even still acts the same in For the Future.
It is obvious that that stupid woman did not redeem herself because of me, whatever happens to her so that she knows what it is to suffer, even I would have wanted the collector to turn her into a puppet.
personally I think Odalia could have been redeemed had Chapek the homophobic not cancelled the show early, I know she did bad stuff but even Pibbles and Kikimora got redeemed and they were arguably worse than her. She even said she wished someone would see her potential in the collector's castle so even SHE saw she got a raw deal in the show. and before you come at me about her helping belos remember this, she has the power to predict the future, maybe she saw that and either went with the plan to ensure her family was safe out of fear of a vision she saw or was going to betray belos and take over the boiling isles. personally my head cannon is that she was once good but due to growing up with toxic parents of her own, a sort of generational trauma, as well as Belos' manipulation and lies she slowly turned cold and cruel to survive. I dunno, I'd have liked to see her reform instead of her becoming a one dimensional character due to the show being canned early. maybe we'll have a spin off show, comic book or something that explores her past and how she became like that. I mean if Scrooge can change why not her?
I actually had ideas of her getting charged with treason against the boiling isles and given a life sentence in prison. Then in a potential sequel series that takes place after the epilogue of "Watching and Dreaming", Adlidor not only divorces her, takes custody of Amity and the Twins, but has become the new CEO of Blight industries. Meanwhile Odalia breaks outta prison, and takes up shop on the outskirts of the boiling isles. She has ONE goal in mind. To finish what Belos started. However, becoming supreme dictator of the boiling isles, but because Odalia blames Luz for ruining her life, Odalia decides to also try and take over the human rhealm. So now its up to Luz, Eda, King, the Hexsquad, Lillith, Raine, Camilla and the Collector to not only protect the demon world, but also protect the human world from Odalia's wrath.
@@kmmk5022 Aw yeah!! That would be absolutely based! Though I imagine Odalia would sorta make Jacob (I can't believe I have the same name as him) her lackie.
It would be interesting so know what the writers original intention was with this character. Did they intend to let her join the team in the fight against Belos? Maybe. Were the writers intending to give Amity's mother a redemption arc? Improbable. Odalia Blight does not strike me as a truly redeemable person, but neither was she that much of a monster Belos has been. Her absence in the epilogue however, seems intentional. Maybe the writers wanted to leave her faith open for another time, if they will be allowed to tell more stories of TOH in the future. Whatever role she was meant to have in the final battle is as of yet unknown, but her distance from the kids might indicate they worked together in some way to save the day. And perhaps they might have reached some kind of conclusion. Following the time lapse it seems rather likely Alador has divorced Odalia. Whether or not their children are still in touch with their mother is another story. I believe they might, mainly in order to prevent Odalia from doing anything bad. Does she have potential? I believe she does. Like many characters in the show, she was underused due to the infamous shortening and cancelation. And I hope some light can be shed on her and Alador in a Spin-off or a Graphic Novel. In a possible sequel, she could become a main antagonist or a "Gray" character similar to Long John Silver from Treasure Island oder Sheryl Goodspeed from Final Space.
I have first hand experience with a narcissistic grandmother. You'd have a better chance of flying with an umbrella than getting a narcissist to accept treatment. A narcissist acts self absorbed because they don't love themselves. It's the same as a depressed person trying to be funny.
This is just my headcanon but I think the Odalia we met in "Escaping Expulsion" was a redeemable person who did love her husband and in her own twisted way her children too. Amity and Odalia started seasons 1 and 2 respectively as bad people, but where Luz's redemptive influence helped Amity become a better version of herself, Belos's corrupting influence enabled Odalia to become the worst version of herself. I say "enabled" not "caused" because I don't want to absolve Odalia of responsibility.
Honestly? I have similar thoughts. She's still a recognizably terrible person in Escaping Expulsion, but there are hints in her behavior with Alador during the episode that point to her having a softer side, just one that's long buried.
@@kylemorgan2301not really? Just because she was good on a person that does not mean she is, and she still uses her husband to creat more abomatons, don't forget she had apendant to control amity with her mind
@@denysvision No, the pendant did not let her control Amity with her mind, where the fuck did you get THAT from? That's worse than those idiots who thought it was like a shock collar. All it did was let her speak to Amity without anyone hearing. Which is still a very obnoxious invasion of privacy, but it's not mind control.
I think she could've been redeemed,she's done wrong,but nothing compared to belos's level,but if she died,I wouldn't have missed her at all,she really made me mad in the show and I can't see myself forgiving odalia (just like akito from fruits basket she made me really mad in the anime but she got redeemed and I still don't forgive her) you can really tell when I hate a character permanently,like if the characters make me mad then that usually means I hate their guts and I would never forgive them,I seem to have different levels of hate for characters,this has only happened a few times with me,aikto made me mad,aion made me mad,(aion is from chrono crusade),belos made me mad, odalia made me mad,so I hate them forever and will never be forgiven,and ther's other characters that I hate but have never made me mad and I forgave them cause they didn't do anything insanely stupid and they got redeemed the proper way,I can't think of any characters I hate but got redeemed properly that I forgave them,but I do seem to have different levels of hate for characters though depending on what they've done
Have you ever had a fictional character made you so mad/disgusted by their personality or actions that you literally had to get to up and walk away? Usually they avoid that for TV(unless it's Velma where they seem to do it on purpose, lol.)
i think one of the biggest reasons she would never of been able to have been redeemed in season 3 because its such a short season. she only shows up in like, episode 3? if im remembering right, and one episode is not enough time TO redeem her. she would need like, over 10 episodes, at least. plus, throughout the entire show, she has never been shown to be ashamed or remorseful over her actions once. imo, the point of her character is to be an irredeemable and abusive mother and to show representation of that and to be multiple plot points throughout the show, and thats okay
Let's see what Odalia did EXTREMELY WRONG: 1) Multiple attempts of child murder (not just Luz since according to Amity, Odalia also threatened to get rid of Willow *in a very bad way* ) 2) "Grounded " Ed and Em in *MAXIMUM SECURITY!* 3) Tried to slow down everyone who was trying to stop Belos from possibly ending the entire demon realm! 4) Being very controlling 5) Money (isn't everything)
Odalia is a character I've been thinking about a lot lately. For two reasons, mostly: 1) She is not a *likeable* character, but she is a well-written character - You enjoy the time you spend observing her from the outside, even though someone like Odalia would be a nightmare to know in real life. 2) It's interesting to ponder things like humanizing antagonistic characters (which TOH did excellently elsewhere with Alador) and what it means to change as a person specifically with Odalia in mind. So; can Odalia Blight be redeemed? The short version: No. At the very least, knowingly participating in genocide is unforgivable. That's a type of harm that is impossible to undo. The way she treats her family, the fact she tried to kill Luz, her daughter's friend and an *actual child,* she MIGHT be able to undo that harm given enough time... but knowing why Belos wanted Abomatons and giving them to him anyway is, again, "too much." Nothing she can do would make up for that, so she is irredeemable. I think when we analyze characters like this, we need to ask two questions instead of one. One of those I've already given my answer for: Odalia can't undo the harm she's already done, so she can't be redeemed. But can she be reformed? Can she grow as a person? Is she capable of changing such that she doesn't continue to harm people in the future? To keep it brief, I think it's helpful to consider a character's fundamental nature and their behavior separately because it allows for greater nuance in telling and understanding stories. Odalia's character is built around two fundamental flaws: 1) Odalia doesn't seem to think of other people as *people*. She sees them either as extensions of herself (like her children) or as objects by which to achieve her own goals - presumably power and admiration. Also notice how she interacts with other people in very transactional ways, almost exclusively through "deals." 2) Odalia is short-sighted and focuses so intensely on what she wants that there's no room for doubt or disagreement. The most egregious example being her prior knowledge of the Day of Unity's true purpose; she wanted so desperately to believe that she would be rewarded for her loyalty that the idea of Belos reneging on his agreement to spare her and her family either doesn't occur to her *at all,* or is willfully ignored. Odalia does what she wants in the moment, with little thought for long-term consequences. Therein lies the main obstacle. In order to change as a person, Odalia needs to first: recognize other people as worthy of respect for their own sake; and maintain the conscious effort to be a better person on the kind of long time scale that makes meaningful change actually plausible. Do I think Odalia is capable of change? Actually, yes. Believe it or not, I think Odalia can become a better person. But I don't think she *would,* not on her own, at least. Ultimately, she would need professional help over the course of many years, all while being denied access to any position of authority over other people that would tempt her along the way. Maybe in a future Owl House project, there's reformation in the cards for Odalia. But it would probably take most of the rest of her life until she can have a healthy relationship with her family. And I think that would be beautiful in its own way.
I think it could've been interesting if Odalia had a "redeemed but not forgiven" arc. As in, she realized she screwed up, and genuinely tried to make amends... and no one CARED because it was a case of too little, too late. I have many, MANY criticisms regarding Odalia's role in the show and the Blight family's arc as a whole, but I don't believe anyone is incapable of redemption, but like you said, redemption is a choice, just like forgiveness and acceptance are choices. Even if Odalia changed for the better, and that's a big IF, no one she hurt is obligated to forgive her or want anything to do with her, and a character arc exploring that is something I think would've been interesting, but due to the way the arcs ended up being handled, the show writers decided to just avoid the topic entirely... but that amounted to just making her a useless character who was completely irrelevant to the final season altogether.
@@denysvision First, she ain't human, also who cares what you think? And yes, she was entirely irrelevant. You could remove her altogether from Amity's life and still have the exact same story without much hassle.
Honestly would you ever consider creating a video analysis on Boscha and her Semi-redemption? Cause honestly if it wasn’t for the cancellation we could’ve gotten a proper arc of Boscha slowly evolving from a hatable Bully to a surprisingly likable person you can respect, like Sasha Waybright , Pacifica Northwest or Bakugou Katsuki of My Hero Academia.
@@kmmk5022 I struggle to find that she was ever given an arc to begin with. It’s mostly on the fandom to give Boscha (and certain other characters) the development that the writers of Owl House couldn’t make time for
I don't think Odalia deserves redemption personally bc she is unwilling to change However, if they did redeem her, I think it would have been a good route for Amity, the twins, and Alador to not forgive her. After everything she put them through, they're not obligated to forgive her and I think that is a good message But like I said, I don't think redemption would have been a good choice for Odalia
Probably not. As stated one must reflect to see what they did wrong... Even when the entire boiling isles was under control of the collector she didn't see anything wrong with what she had done. Sometimes some people can change... And others simply refuse to change.
Think Beloes should have pulled a Babbdi on Odila and KILL her even after successfully doing her task like how Babbdi kill the 2 goons despite them getting energy for Buu rather than fail
No I’ve actually seen worse moms then Odalia the only bad things she did try to do was be super controlling but besides that a lot of what she did I didn’t think was that considering how there can always be worse moms out there.
she also was emotionally abusive via trying to guilt Amity whenever she did something against her, and also she made the Abomitrons grab Edric and Emira against their will and also all those times she made Amity do those shows with the abomination weapons would be physical abuse, hell she even let the Abomitron hit Amity hard enough that it thinks she died from it, hell she even encouraged Amity to let it happen, while I do agree theres probably a worse mom out there I don't agree with this downplaying of her actions
She knowingly helped a madman commit genocide against her own race and then left her own family to fend for themselves when they turned against her for it. Or you did just conveniently forget that part?
@@rileyanthony yeah but it can be perceived that Amity knew Willow wouldn't just kill Luz for good grades so she convinced Bump to let Willow do the dissection, meanwhile there is no excuse for Odalia
En mi opinión yo se que le hizo todo eso a amity pero aún así no se significa que sea un monstruo no se por que los comentarios desean que ella muera tampoco es un monstruo y no me importa los que otros me digan esta es mi opinión y si tal ves hubieran echo una temporada 4 de toh tal ves odalia en esa temporada cambiaría y amity que le dé una segunda oportunidad no que la perdone si no al menos una 2 oportunidad yo no perdonaría lo que hizo mas bien no la perdono pero merece una 2 oportunidad
There were never plans to redeem Odalia. She was designed to be hated and she's meant to be hated. She went to prison for life. No redemption. Everything she's done is unforgivable. Let her be punished and let her face the consequences of her actions. She could never be redeemed and Dana never wanted her to be. Simple as that. Anyone who defends Odalia, Belos, Adrian, Kikimora, Terra, Tibbles, Bria, Boscha, Vitimir, or Jacob Hopkins or any of the villains of the show is an internet troll who should be locked up with no trial, no publicity, no bail, no bond, nothing, lock them up and never allow them access to the internet so they can never troll anyone again. Sorry if I sound harsh. It's just I know someone whose the worst internet troll that defends these villains so much that the troll innocent people and cause so much trouble on the fandom that this troll I speak of is worse than Odalia and is a volatile bully whose a liar, slanderer and a manipulator. So watch out for the internet troll who goes by the name Royalty Imp on the fandom.
Odalia and Belos are both very irredeemable. Although I like Belos more than Odalia because Belos is a cool villain while Odalia is just an awful person especially towards Amity.😑
Hm, I think there some wasted potential, i wonder what would happen if the Show was aloud more room to breathe? Also, i would like you to cover Kikimora or Boscha, if you haven’t already?
I agree, I think had Dana gotten more time to flesh her out a bit we could have seen her backstory. to me Odalia was strict but I think it was out of a misguided view of what she thought was best for them. I know she made mistakes but if the others got redeemed then why not her? Maybe as a kid she had abusive parents of her own, like a father or mother that had to keep her in line and make her jump through hoops to prove herself worthy of what it means to be a true member of the Blight family and that shaped her outlook on life forever. I think if there's a spin off that I know Dana wants to do then I hope it explores Odalia more and maybe gives her some redemption in the end. I mean even Pibbles and Kikimora got a redemption in the end of a sort and they were arguably worse so why not Odalia? I'm kinda sick of her being dunked on and treated lik garbage and when you try to defend her you're treated like an idiot or a clown, I just hope we learn more about her in the spinoff and see her fleshed out more than a greedy asshole
Welllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll now, maybe if the Blights weren’t so hostile to her and, you know, abandoned her, also if Amity hadn’t been so constantly disobedient, then maybe Odalia wouldn’t have had to be so hostile with them and they could have had a better relationship with her at the end of the series.😑🥶🙃
How is the blights's fault?, especially amity who was been controlled from her entier life, and Odalia does not even care of what happend to other people, and she herlsef admited that she accept genocide so she can rule the boil isles
to be fair I kinda agree, and in her view Luz was a wanted criminal on the boiling isles so it's no wonder why she didn't want Amity hanging around her. I mean would YOU allow your son or daughter to be friends with someone wanted for terrorism?
Well we didn't really see her get any comeuppence exept loosing the family she bearly cared about and maybe her reputation but other than than shes just balling. Considering lesser characters where shown being imprisoned its weird that theyd skip Odalia. Still has the thiccest ass on the Boiling isles tho.
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She really was the second biggest villain of the story
Agreed. She should've died
Even if she could be redeemed, (which I don't think she should, she *willingly* helped Belos with his plan to commit genocide,) there simply wasn't time after season 3 was cut short.
Uhh...No! Odalia is not only a terrible mother. She's also an enemy collaborator and outright war criminal. No redemption!
War criminal? Tf are you talking about
@@БогданЗелинский-ю9з she knew that Belos was gonna kill atleast almost everyone during the day of unity but she still helped him because she though that he would have given her a position of power. In other words she assisted him at committing genocide
@@_NIKOS9_NIKOS that's a common knowledge. What are her WAR crimes when there was no war on the show?
Not everyone deserves redemption. She's lucky to be alive
@@БогданЗелинский-ю9з assisting in genocide, regardless of context, is literally considered a war crime by not only the UN but also just by most country's colloquial standards.
Of all characters on the show, Odalia is the very...VERY last one I would want to see get a redemption.
Darius, yes
Edric and Emira, most definitely
Matholomule...maybe
Lilith...it took some time for me to warm up to HER but in the end, she more than earned a place in my heart.
But Odalia, I would NEVER forgive a worthless cow like her in a million years. She's cruel, shallow, manipulative, greedy and above all, apathetic. Odalia had ZERO issues with wiping out her entire world and everyone in it, so long as SHE got to "live the high life" in the end. She's worse than Terra Snapdragon, Principal Faust, Tibbles and even Adrian Grey; who was nothing more than a pretentious jerkwad.
However...I can think of ONE positive thing about Odalia that many of us can probably agree on. Compared to Belos; she's like a petty popular girl in a high school from a horror movie, as a villain
other than Odalia, Lilith is undeserving of redemption, let alone love and respect.
I feel like you forgot Kikimora
@@Dragonsting21 Kiki Miki was less of a villain and more of a pathetic boot-licker with a Napoleon Complex
@@sadlobster1 😂 I still can’t get over “Kiki Miki”
@@sadlobster1 Edric and Emira we're barley villains. All they did was mess with Amity. But other than that they love her and care for her.
She cant just walk up to amity and say sorry after literally helping belos eliminate all witches thinking its for heaven💀
I like a well crafted, nuanced enemy to ally story arc (like Zuko’s in Avatar The Last Airbender), but Belos and Odalia were irredeemable, and I’m glad they didn’t even try to argue otherwise.
I saw a comic where Kikimora, Odalia and Tibbles were in a jail cell, and Odalia was being dramatic and trying to be epic, but then Tibbles was released from jail early
I know her face at the end was hilarious
And then Kiki was let go too for community service, completely leaving that cabbage head cow all by herself. That was HILARIOUS 😂
Morningmark made that comic.
Morningmark made that
No, she helped belos knowing he was committing genocide, and used her children as lab rats and popularity points
I think luz said it best. “This is more complicated…” i doubt amity would ever take an apology from her, as a person who highly relates to her AND has mother issues, I wouldn’t either. If you try hard enough, everything could be traced down to odalia, as she knew what was going to happen (kinda). She doesn’t deserve an apology, and unfortunately, not everyone is redeemable or has kindness in them
When Amity was reuniting with Alador, Odalia was just standing there, scowling at them. She didn't even bother to see if her daughter was okay. Usually, when there's a bad parent in a TV show or film, they have at least a few moments that show that they somewhat care about their kids, but Odalia is a different one. She really doesn't love her kids at all.
More likely she was upset that her status on the isles was ruined. Not that she ever had it even during the Collector's rule but she wouldn't have seen it as such with the title mamadalia. Lol! She was never even humbled during that time and still tried to do things to make herself look more better or more powerful.
@@oprimestill she awful
@@WolfEliteYautja2001 agreed
It was confirmed that Odalia isn't part of Amity's family anymore. Though I wish.she was killed along with Belos.
yk if she wasnt there at the family reunion we could of just assumed that Belos killed her while infecting Raine
@@MegaEdeath What did it say? What exactly happened to Odalia?
@@kmmk5022 no I mean if that scene at the end where she appeared in the background while Amity and Alador hugged didn't show that she was there then when Belos infected Raine we could of just assumed that Belos after consuming Raine killed her
DUDE what the hell!?
I prefer her being alive. Now she has the rest of her life to wallow in the mess she made for herself.
I think it's literally impossible to redeem Odalia no matter what they did it's impossible to redeem her. I'm glad she was replaced by Camilia in that storyboard
Let's face it, Camila was a great mother who had initially just given into peer pressure from the principal to send Luz to that camp, which ironically turned Vee into the boiling isles resident that was the most used to the human realm in season 3.
@oprime Camilias literally one of the best mothers in animation imo. I feel awful for her what happened with the principal :( At least it led to Vee getting to the human realm though
This is why she, Terra, Adrian and kikimora got sentenced to 95 to life in ToonTown jail plus community service
The only way they could possibly even consider redemption is if she had been shown experiencing the draining spell & realizing that she'd been used like everyone else. Of course we did see it in Terra & Kikimiki, and it didn't make a difference for them so it's unlikely to have with her either. I don't know that it would have helped if she'd seen one of her kids going through it either because we've seen how she treated them.
I have wondered though what her reaction would be to seeing Amity's response to getting affection from Camila & Lilith (since Lilith seems to have become a surrogate mom to Amity at the end). Or if her attitude might change a bit towards Luz, who has the status of being a big sister to a young Titan & having wielded the powers of a Titan herself to defeat Belos.
Even if she had been shown experiencing what even the coven heads did, she would have just blamed others like she did with Amity. As for the status of Luz, of course she would try to work her way into it to keep her own status worth on the boiling isles and ultimately like Belos at the end, she would have failed.
You know I’ve been thinking. Even Demona from Disney’s Gargoyles, the vengeful ex-spouse of Goliath and mother of Angela, would be disgusted by Odalia betraying and allowing the mass murder of her own witch kind. Sure Demona once turned the humans of Manhattan into stone by night, and even smashed a few of them, but at least Demona had a good reason for being misanthropic cause she witnessed how most humans have mistreated and or betrayed gargoyles. Perhaps Demona is a million times more likely to have a change of heart than Odalia.
It would have been VERY hard to redeem her after everything 😢
(This isn't a hate comment)
Like you said... It would be really hard to redeem and trust odalia....
But then how do we easily redeem and trust Lilith and hunter??
(This isn't hate it's just my opinion on this topic... Sorry if it came out rude)
@@Stringbeeenedits Lilith was just doing orders from Belos. She was more focused on Eda then Luz.
Hunter is innocent. He didn't really do anything wrong. He just wanted to make his "Uncle proud". He was always following orders. He was lied to.
Odalia's just a bad person in general. She's rude. She doesn't know how to be a good mother. She only cares for money.
@@Stringbeeenedits for me it's the difference in their motivations.
Lilith joined the Emperor's Coven because she believed that he was doing what's best for the Isles and its people even if that lead to her doing questionable things, because they were for the greater good.
Hunter was raised by the emperor and believed, despite everything, that he was a good man, that anything his 'uncle' did had to have good reason.
Neither of them would have believed Belos could commit genocide back when they served him.
Odalia on the other hand wasn't at all surprised by the whole genocide plan and was absolutely fine with it if she came out on top. She believed in power, not in the man.
@@ricocav I totally understand what you said and I agree that Lilith got off way too easy especially after cursing eda...
But I mean she could have an illness which akes her believe she is either always right or that she doesn't feel like has enough control so she manipulates and pushes people lower than her so she can feel above the rest
Idk tho😅
I don't know, I mean they retcon Alador so they could do the same for her and no one will notice because they would be too busy to not look at the signs and blame it on someone else.
I wonder if Odalia along with the evil coven heads such as Terra, Adrian, and vitimir was just exiled to stay in the collector's castle seeing they willingly helped Belos and in Odalia's she went along with genocide and willingly helped the collector and let everyone stay as puppets
Odalia is literally the Umbridge of the Owl House you CANNOT change my mind on this.
Honestly, I don't think she has any mental health disorder in my head cannon but if she done have a redemption it better be a good one (believable)
it feels insane being this early
I think that after her family kinda pushed her away, Odalia would eventually realise how wrong she was so maybe a redemption arc with her would be possible, but a reunion with her family less likely
The short answer is no and the long answer is hell no
Loved the video, very well done.
Glad you enjoyed it!
My stepmom was just like Odalia, a controlling, manipulative narcissist who enjoyed acclaim and high social status and in turn made the abuse she put me through invisible to the outside world, as nobody would believe me over her. Sadly, my dad didn't stand up to her like Alador did, instead he did whatever she needed him to do to help "keep me in line."
They're both dead to me. Ironically the only notable difference between Odalia and my stepmom, is that my stepmom is also homophobic (which doesn't exist on the Boiling Isles, even for people as awful as Odalia, and they made a point to emphasize that in Clouds on the Horizon)
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4:26 Actually, you're right. It's revealed in the livestream hosted by the creator of the owl house that he did indeed divorce her.
P.S It turns out her kids have a choice to visit her but they chose not to.
Even Boscha got a semi redemption. enough that shes was included in the finale. Odalia lost everything
She had it coming to her 😂
Yeah to me at least that's a big no Odalia has had chance to change time and time again and never done so she even still acts the same in For the Future.
found ur channel thru reccs and i hope this isn't weird to say but your voice and accent sound so much like camillas!
I just love your eyeliner , what's your inspiration?
It is obvious that that stupid woman did not redeem herself because of me, whatever happens to her so that she knows what it is to suffer, even I would have wanted the collector to turn her into a puppet.
personally I think Odalia could have been redeemed had Chapek the homophobic not cancelled the show early, I know she did bad stuff but even Pibbles and Kikimora got redeemed and they were arguably worse than her. She even said she wished someone would see her potential in the collector's castle so even SHE saw she got a raw deal in the show. and before you come at me about her helping belos remember this, she has the power to predict the future, maybe she saw that and either went with the plan to ensure her family was safe out of fear of a vision she saw or was going to betray belos and take over the boiling isles. personally my head cannon is that she was once good but due to growing up with toxic parents of her own, a sort of generational trauma, as well as Belos' manipulation and lies she slowly turned cold and cruel to survive. I dunno, I'd have liked to see her reform instead of her becoming a one dimensional character due to the show being canned early. maybe we'll have a spin off show, comic book or something that explores her past and how she became like that. I mean if Scrooge can change why not her?
I actually had ideas of her getting charged with treason against the boiling isles and given a life sentence in prison. Then in a potential sequel series that takes place after the epilogue of "Watching and Dreaming", Adlidor not only divorces her, takes custody of Amity and the Twins, but has become the new CEO of Blight industries. Meanwhile Odalia breaks outta prison, and takes up shop on the outskirts of the boiling isles. She has ONE goal in mind. To finish what Belos started. However, becoming supreme dictator of the boiling isles, but because Odalia blames Luz for ruining her life, Odalia decides to also try and take over the human rhealm. So now its up to Luz, Eda, King, the Hexsquad, Lillith, Raine, Camilla and the Collector to not only protect the demon world, but also protect the human world from Odalia's wrath.
That’s actually a pretty interesting premise. What if Jacob and Odalia actually team up or something?
@@kmmk5022 Aw yeah!! That would be absolutely based! Though I imagine Odalia would sorta make Jacob (I can't believe I have the same name as him) her lackie.
It would be interesting so know what the writers original intention was with this character. Did they intend to let her join the team in the fight against Belos? Maybe. Were the writers intending to give Amity's mother a redemption arc? Improbable.
Odalia Blight does not strike me as a truly redeemable person, but neither was she that much of a monster Belos has been. Her absence in the epilogue however, seems intentional. Maybe the writers wanted to leave her faith open for another time, if they will be allowed to tell more stories of TOH in the future.
Whatever role she was meant to have in the final battle is as of yet unknown, but her distance from the kids might indicate they worked together in some way to save the day. And perhaps they might have reached some kind of conclusion.
Following the time lapse it seems rather likely Alador has divorced Odalia. Whether or not their children are still in touch with their mother is another story. I believe they might, mainly in order to prevent Odalia from doing anything bad.
Does she have potential? I believe she does. Like many characters in the show, she was underused due to the infamous shortening and cancelation. And I hope some light can be shed on her and Alador in a Spin-off or a Graphic Novel. In a possible sequel, she could become a main antagonist or a "Gray" character similar to Long John Silver from Treasure Island oder Sheryl Goodspeed from Final Space.
I have first hand experience with a narcissistic grandmother. You'd have a better chance of flying with an umbrella than getting a narcissist to accept treatment. A narcissist acts self absorbed because they don't love themselves. It's the same as a depressed person trying to be funny.
this doesn't make any sense? depressed ppl can't be funny?
@@innocehnt75 They're just saying it's impossible.
@@innocehnt75 depressed people TRYING be funny
This is just my headcanon but I think the Odalia we met in "Escaping Expulsion" was a redeemable person who did love her husband and in her own twisted way her children too. Amity and Odalia started seasons 1 and 2 respectively as bad people, but where Luz's redemptive influence helped Amity become a better version of herself, Belos's corrupting influence enabled Odalia to become the worst version of herself. I say "enabled" not "caused" because I don't want to absolve Odalia of responsibility.
Honestly? I have similar thoughts. She's still a recognizably terrible person in Escaping Expulsion, but there are hints in her behavior with Alador during the episode that point to her having a softer side, just one that's long buried.
@@kylemorgan2301not really? Just because she was good on a person that does not mean she is, and she still uses her husband to creat more abomatons, don't forget she had apendant to control amity with her mind
@@denysvision No, the pendant did not let her control Amity with her mind, where the fuck did you get THAT from? That's worse than those idiots who thought it was like a shock collar. All it did was let her speak to Amity without anyone hearing. Which is still a very obnoxious invasion of privacy, but it's not mind control.
I think she could've been redeemed,she's done wrong,but nothing compared to belos's level,but if she died,I wouldn't have missed her at all,she really made me mad in the show and I can't see myself forgiving odalia (just like akito from fruits basket she made me really mad in the anime but she got redeemed and I still don't forgive her) you can really tell when I hate a character permanently,like if the characters make me mad then that usually means I hate their guts and I would never forgive them,I seem to have different levels of hate for characters,this has only happened a few times with me,aikto made me mad,aion made me mad,(aion is from chrono crusade),belos made me mad, odalia made me mad,so I hate them forever and will never be forgiven,and ther's other characters that I hate but have never made me mad and I forgave them cause they didn't do anything insanely stupid and they got redeemed the proper way,I can't think of any characters I hate but got redeemed properly that I forgave them,but I do seem to have different levels of hate for characters though depending on what they've done
Have you ever had a fictional character made you so mad/disgusted by their personality or actions that you literally had to get to up and walk away? Usually they avoid that for TV(unless it's Velma where they seem to do it on purpose, lol.)
Odila is basically a morden day Lady Triamian ( The evil step mother)
i think one of the biggest reasons she would never of been able to have been redeemed in season 3 because its such a short season. she only shows up in like, episode 3? if im remembering right, and one episode is not enough time TO redeem her. she would need like, over 10 episodes, at least. plus, throughout the entire show, she has never been shown to be ashamed or remorseful over her actions once. imo, the point of her character is to be an irredeemable and abusive mother and to show representation of that and to be multiple plot points throughout the show, and thats okay
Also…she tried to kill Luz…everyone seems to forget that, but I’ll never forget the ATTEMPTED CHILD MURDER!
Let's see what Odalia did EXTREMELY WRONG:
1) Multiple attempts of child murder (not just Luz since according to Amity, Odalia also threatened to get rid of Willow *in a very bad way* )
2) "Grounded " Ed and Em in *MAXIMUM SECURITY!*
3) Tried to slow down everyone who was trying to stop Belos from possibly ending the entire demon realm!
4) Being very controlling
5) Money (isn't everything)
No reason your way she ever be redeemed we always see the mother always loving caring with her but for odelia she is not one of those
More irredeemable than Miriam Pataki?
Odalia is a character I've been thinking about a lot lately. For two reasons, mostly: 1) She is not a *likeable* character, but she is a well-written character - You enjoy the time you spend observing her from the outside, even though someone like Odalia would be a nightmare to know in real life. 2) It's interesting to ponder things like humanizing antagonistic characters (which TOH did excellently elsewhere with Alador) and what it means to change as a person specifically with Odalia in mind. So; can Odalia Blight be redeemed?
The short version: No. At the very least, knowingly participating in genocide is unforgivable. That's a type of harm that is impossible to undo. The way she treats her family, the fact she tried to kill Luz, her daughter's friend and an *actual child,* she MIGHT be able to undo that harm given enough time... but knowing why Belos wanted Abomatons and giving them to him anyway is, again, "too much." Nothing she can do would make up for that, so she is irredeemable.
I think when we analyze characters like this, we need to ask two questions instead of one. One of those I've already given my answer for: Odalia can't undo the harm she's already done, so she can't be redeemed. But can she be reformed? Can she grow as a person? Is she capable of changing such that she doesn't continue to harm people in the future?
To keep it brief, I think it's helpful to consider a character's fundamental nature and their behavior separately because it allows for greater nuance in telling and understanding stories.
Odalia's character is built around two fundamental flaws: 1) Odalia doesn't seem to think of other people as *people*. She sees them either as extensions of herself (like her children) or as objects by which to achieve her own goals - presumably power and admiration. Also notice how she interacts with other people in very transactional ways, almost exclusively through "deals." 2) Odalia is short-sighted and focuses so intensely on what she wants that there's no room for doubt or disagreement. The most egregious example being her prior knowledge of the Day of Unity's true purpose; she wanted so desperately to believe that she would be rewarded for her loyalty that the idea of Belos reneging on his agreement to spare her and her family either doesn't occur to her *at all,* or is willfully ignored. Odalia does what she wants in the moment, with little thought for long-term consequences.
Therein lies the main obstacle. In order to change as a person, Odalia needs to first: recognize other people as worthy of respect for their own sake; and maintain the conscious effort to be a better person on the kind of long time scale that makes meaningful change actually plausible. Do I think Odalia is capable of change? Actually, yes. Believe it or not, I think Odalia can become a better person. But I don't think she *would,* not on her own, at least. Ultimately, she would need professional help over the course of many years, all while being denied access to any position of authority over other people that would tempt her along the way.
Maybe in a future Owl House project, there's reformation in the cards for Odalia. But it would probably take most of the rest of her life until she can have a healthy relationship with her family. And I think that would be beautiful in its own way.
The only good thing she did was give us Amity and the twins.
Hate to say but i don't think amity ever forgive odalia j personal think amity tells her kids about odalia as lesson on what not do as paitent
Shouldn't the title be, "world's worse mother of two realms"? Lol!
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I think it could've been interesting if Odalia had a "redeemed but not forgiven" arc. As in, she realized she screwed up, and genuinely tried to make amends... and no one CARED because it was a case of too little, too late. I have many, MANY criticisms regarding Odalia's role in the show and the Blight family's arc as a whole, but I don't believe anyone is incapable of redemption, but like you said, redemption is a choice, just like forgiveness and acceptance are choices.
Even if Odalia changed for the better, and that's a big IF, no one she hurt is obligated to forgive her or want anything to do with her, and a character arc exploring that is something I think would've been interesting, but due to the way the arcs ended up being handled, the show writers decided to just avoid the topic entirely... but that amounted to just making her a useless character who was completely irrelevant to the final season altogether.
Not say irelevant and is more with amity as an character, and im glad they did not redeemed Odalia since she is such an horrible human being
@@denysvision First, she ain't human, also who cares what you think? And yes, she was entirely irrelevant. You could remove her altogether from Amity's life and still have the exact same story without much hassle.
GREAT VIDEO 👍😉
Honestly would you ever consider creating a video analysis on Boscha and her Semi-redemption? Cause honestly if it wasn’t for the cancellation we could’ve gotten a proper arc of Boscha slowly evolving from a hatable Bully to a surprisingly likable person you can respect, like Sasha Waybright , Pacifica Northwest or Bakugou Katsuki of My Hero Academia.
Yeah I kinda wish they did do a better job with Boscha’s arc
@@kmmk5022 I struggle to find that she was ever given an arc to begin with.
It’s mostly on the fandom to give Boscha (and certain other characters) the development that the writers of Owl House couldn’t make time for
Odalia is practically the equivalent of Mother Gothel or even WORSE than her at times!
I don't think Odalia deserves redemption personally bc she is unwilling to change
However, if they did redeem her, I think it would have been a good route for Amity, the twins, and Alador to not forgive her. After everything she put them through, they're not obligated to forgive her and I think that is a good message
But like I said, I don't think redemption would have been a good choice for Odalia
But some people would be kinda annoyed with them for not forgiving Odaila.
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Probably not. As stated one must reflect to see what they did wrong... Even when the entire boiling isles was under control of the collector she didn't see anything wrong with what she had done.
Sometimes some people can change... And others simply refuse to change.
Think Beloes should have pulled a Babbdi on Odila and KILL her even after successfully doing her task like how Babbdi kill the 2 goons despite them getting energy for Buu rather than fail
No I’ve actually seen worse moms then Odalia the only bad things she did try to do was be super controlling but besides that a lot of what she did I didn’t think was that considering how there can always be worse moms out there.
she also was emotionally abusive via trying to guilt Amity whenever she did something against her, and also she made the Abomitrons grab Edric and Emira against their will and also all those times she made Amity do those shows with the abomination weapons would be physical abuse, hell she even let the Abomitron hit Amity hard enough that it thinks she died from it, hell she even encouraged Amity to let it happen, while I do agree theres probably a worse mom out there I don't agree with this downplaying of her actions
She tried to murder one of her daughter's friends.
@@wendyheatherwood true she did but didn’t her daughter try to do the same thing?
She knowingly helped a madman commit genocide against her own race and then left her own family to fend for themselves when they turned against her for it. Or you did just conveniently forget that part?
@@rileyanthony yeah but it can be perceived that Amity knew Willow wouldn't just kill Luz for good grades so she convinced Bump to let Willow do the dissection, meanwhile there is no excuse for Odalia
I hate when people refer to Owl House or many other animated shows as “kid shows”
That is all I wanted to say
En mi opinión yo se que le hizo todo eso a amity pero aún así no se significa que sea un monstruo no se por que los comentarios desean que ella muera tampoco es un monstruo y no me importa los que otros me digan esta es mi opinión y si tal ves hubieran echo una temporada 4 de toh tal ves odalia en esa temporada cambiaría y amity que le dé una segunda oportunidad no que la perdone si no al menos una 2 oportunidad yo no perdonaría lo que hizo mas bien no la perdono pero merece una 2 oportunidad
I think of Dahlia, we made a puppet forever. She’s the worst.
There were never plans to redeem Odalia. She was designed to be hated and she's meant to be hated. She went to prison for life. No redemption. Everything she's done is unforgivable. Let her be punished and let her face the consequences of her actions. She could never be redeemed and Dana never wanted her to be. Simple as that. Anyone who defends Odalia, Belos, Adrian, Kikimora, Terra, Tibbles, Bria, Boscha, Vitimir, or Jacob Hopkins or any of the villains of the show is an internet troll who should be locked up with no trial, no publicity, no bail, no bond, nothing, lock them up and never allow them access to the internet so they can never troll anyone again. Sorry if I sound harsh. It's just I know someone whose the worst internet troll that defends these villains so much that the troll innocent people and cause so much trouble on the fandom that this troll I speak of is worse than Odalia and is a volatile bully whose a liar, slanderer and a manipulator. So watch out for the internet troll who goes by the name Royalty Imp on the fandom.
Odalia and Belos are both very irredeemable. Although I like Belos more than Odalia because Belos is a cool villain while Odalia is just an awful person especially towards Amity.😑
I really hope they do.
Hm, I think there some wasted potential, i wonder what would happen if the Show was aloud more room to breathe?
Also, i would like you to cover Kikimora or Boscha, if you haven’t already?
Well blame disney for that since they cut the show short
@@denysvision that goes without saying.
I agree, I think had Dana gotten more time to flesh her out a bit we could have seen her backstory. to me Odalia was strict but I think it was out of a misguided view of what she thought was best for them. I know she made mistakes but if the others got redeemed then why not her? Maybe as a kid she had abusive parents of her own, like a father or mother that had to keep her in line and make her jump through hoops to prove herself worthy of what it means to be a true member of the Blight family and that shaped her outlook on life forever. I think if there's a spin off that I know Dana wants to do then I hope it explores Odalia more and maybe gives her some redemption in the end. I mean even Pibbles and Kikimora got a redemption in the end of a sort and they were arguably worse so why not Odalia? I'm kinda sick of her being dunked on and treated lik garbage and when you try to defend her you're treated like an idiot or a clown, I just hope we learn more about her in the spinoff and see her fleshed out more than a greedy asshole
@@denysvision it was the faults of Bob Chapek and Gary Marsh! They canned the show early leaving no time for Dana to properly plan a finale
@@madhatter6790 yeah, that’s pretty much my line of thinking too.
Welllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll now, maybe if the Blights weren’t so hostile to her and, you know, abandoned her, also if Amity hadn’t been so constantly disobedient, then maybe Odalia wouldn’t have had to be so hostile with them and they could have had a better relationship with her at the end of the series.😑🥶🙃
How is the blights's fault?, especially amity who was been controlled from her entier life, and Odalia does not even care of what happend to other people, and she herlsef admited that she accept genocide so she can rule the boil isles
to be fair I kinda agree, and in her view Luz was a wanted criminal on the boiling isles so it's no wonder why she didn't want Amity hanging around her. I mean would YOU allow your son or daughter to be friends with someone wanted for terrorism?
@@madhatter6790 L i t e r a l l y t h i s . But nooooo, we need to DEMONIZE Odalia because she wanted to DARE get in the way of Lumity.:/
@@denysvision She sided with Belos because he said he’d protect her family.:/
no
Well we didn't really see her get any comeuppence exept loosing the family she bearly cared about and maybe her reputation but other than than shes just balling. Considering lesser characters where shown being imprisoned its weird that theyd skip Odalia. Still has the thiccest ass on the Boiling isles tho.
Even Boscha turned out better compared to her
What arc? She was scum start to end =p She did not grow or change one bit.
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Damn bro Odalia is a racist