I think Joaquin Phoenix said it best himself : "I don't think it's the responsibility of a filmmaker to teach the audience morality" Edit: Y'all need to stop liking this comment, or the fame will go to my head
People that are old enough to see this movie should know right from wrong as far as the justice system goes. It's stupid to pinpoint this movie as a problem when there's far worse stuff going on in the world to influence troubled individuals.
Politicians tried this crap with Marilyn Manson after the Columbine massacre. People don't go out and kill people because of a movie. People kill people because of mental illness lack of access to Mental Health Services. Parents who neglect their children and don't love them. Money for Wars but never money to help the average person. Politicians love to deflect from their failings,.
@@Brandonhayhew No stable, rational person would be influenced in the slightest to kill people because of a movie, only an unstable, dangerous person who was waiting for an excuse to do it.
yet its all the jokers fault when he makes changes in his life that he believes can help him. (which is what we are told to do rely on ourselves.) people are eager to take credit when they do a good thing for someone one, when they help them, when they raise them right but when its the opposite they are like, that wasn't me that was all them lol
Those people are clickbait press. Clickbait press shouldn't define what the people's opinions is. Clickbait press also thinks the US isn't dumb enough to re-elect Trump.
IDDQD the logo present on the trailers & movie poster tho as for the starting of the movie might be because this joker isn’t associate in the dceu as previous characters’ movies.. thats all
“What were you expecting, for him to tickle people to death?” Ok, to be fair, that sounds exactly like something the joker would do, not to mention a super disturbing way to die.
Phil Furney reminds me of that moment in the Arkham Asylum game were Joker looks like he’s about to pull out a gun, but pulls out a feather and tickles Batman instead
Jarrod Stowe this isn’t a glorification IMO. Nothing about it is glorious-it’s a study of it. Mental illness absolutely should be taken seriously, and at the core of Joker is a wish for society to not stigmatize people struggling with mental illness, and instead offer them the support and systems they need in order to be accepted and embraced
I don’t understand complaints about “violence” when we have Kill Bill, John Wick, Hostal.......are people serious? At least with Joker we can tell where is all this violence coming from.
sugarplumfairy20101 and umm The Surge? Which is advertised on literally everything I see.... But, I’ve heard Joker is anti-establishment minded. If that’s true, no wonder the media is telling everyone not to go see it. Never watched the Surge in its entirety but looks pretty violent to me. And how about Saw?
Right before Joaquin truly becomes Joker in the movie he says “I just had a bad day” and from Jokers monologue in ‘The Killing Joke’ he tells Batman “All it takes is one bad day”. This movie was an absolute masterpiece.
Ivin3690 When he’s sitting in Sophies living room and shes freaking out because she doesn’t know him and shes asking him to leave, the first thing he says is “I just had a bad day”
That's a nice way to put it. I'll add that this is the best origin story that I've seen since jack Nicolas fell into a toxic vat in the Michael Keaton Batman. Plus, this was even a two for one origin story with no flash backs cause it also had Bruce Wayne's Batman origin story in it as well. I'd grown sick to death of origin stories up till now but this one was good. Plus it was a remake of taxi driver too and yet it was a remake I liked.
Ashwin Rajendra 9:56 I mean do you need to constantly think about movies all the time? Some movies are meant to just be entertaining, not everything has to be deep, morally ambiguous, thought provoking(which lead to depressing discussions that leave no where and don’t change anything) and not Oscar worthy? Who cares if a couple movies are entertaining and disposable...? Live with it..
as a criminology student, joker movie is a good case study of understanding the root cause of a crime, that crime isnt just a single spontaneus act, its how a series of unfortunate events and different behaviors that others resort to crimes
@@leavefollow1698 its true, there are a lot of factors why people resort to crime however little that factor may be, take for example a news a long time ago, a kid punches another kid to death even if he was just bullied once, yeah he killed him because of that but as the authority investigates it all comes down to what is happening before, the kid was molested by his uncle and was punished because his uncle said it was him who initiated the act, was punished by his dad, and was extremely bullied in his neighborhood calling him names for doing that, he lost his friends, he was on the edge of his sanity, and that one act pushes him to his limits. the reason for the crime may be just that one act but the root cause of it was a combination of misfortune that led his mind to think that it was the best thing to do.
@@aaaknowkneemoos4811 No. That happens all the time. If you have a kid that is a bully, something happened to him back home. No doubt But a situation could manifest off of one molestation case that impactedm. affected him. He is not believed. He sees someone put their handz on a femalr in a sexual attempt.. Murder. Not uncommon.
Leave Follow you’re completely disregarding the fact that no two brains are the same and everyone deals with the abuse they endure as kids in different ways. Some get therapy, some split their personalities into many different ones, and others manufacture it through more violence. Simply can’t put everyone under the same ombrella
@@ema9189 I don't know what you are reading, but I do not disregard any fact that no two brains are the same. The general statement that she just is common knowledge - common sense for me. If you saw what I was replying to, you would have seen that I was replying to an example that was given to me. And just for the record, there is an exception to every rule. So while you say that 02 brains are exactly the same, there are Exceptions to that rule as well. I am just kind of confused about. I didn't say one thing that was universal. I said all you need is one incident; and then I gave an example of a bullying which was a Direct response to the person I was replying to. Where our nerve did you get that I was disregarding any to brains? Where did I say that everyone was exactly the same? That doesn't make the least bit of sense. Once again, there was talk about multiple things happening to one person that will drive the crazy. All I said was that if it is adequate enough, that will be enough to drive the crazy; especially if they didn't have anyone to turn to, or they tried to turn to someone who ended up betraying them.
I know i literally was disgusted when i say the rotten tomatoes reviews, all the audience reviews were like 10/10 but yet the “verified critics” rated it 69%. Throw the whole cite away
In my opinion, Joker was an accurate depiction of how mental illness and abuse, when left unchecked by society, can lead an individual towards committing violent and self-destructive acts.
Is because people like you!!! Look down on us!!! Yet, when we stand up for our selfs. We are seeing as the bad guys!!!! Never mess with somebody who is a loner. The like being alone. So going to prison is a luxury. And we are not crazy!!!!! We are evil too “evil laugh”
Yeah it's pathetic how angry about this movie people are, how they want to ban it. All it does is address actual problems in this world, you can meme about "this is a society" all you want but it's fucking true, basically everyone in the US who goes on a rampage has been failed by their friends, family and health care professionals who are supposed to care for them. None of those things should happen and yet in the US they do *every day*. If people are angry at this movie then their pathetic little tantrums are a complete waste of their stupid thoughts, why not put that energy towards, y'know, an actual problem. Pointing out a problem isnt agreeing with it or encouraging it.
I think not just mental illness, but anyone who have had it so bad for so long, then that one final “bad day” happened. Like with the guy from the Las Vegas Shooting.
Murray Franklin: You killed those 3 wall street boys? Arthur: Yeah they were beating me to death and I shot them in self defense Murray Franklin: Understandable *Roll Credits*
@@mateoleon524 I mean the first shots were self defense. But when he chased them down and tried to go out of his way to kill them. Thats when he crossed the line. I am not saying what those dudes did were right but they were not enough to get shot through the brains for.
@@Eidlones The theater I was at was dead silent. So silent that I would often look around to see if anyone was there even though I knew it was full. I am not sure if I liked that though. Sometimes I want to hear the audience laugh a little because it breaks the tension. I mean it was almost odd. Nobody got up once to go take a bathroom break. When I say it was dead silent I mean it! I never experienced that before. I don't know if they liked it or hated it, but when it was over no many got up to leave. When we walked out the door a police officer was standing there. I guess I should have been expecting great danger while watching this movie with my family. That is kind of sad.
I love the riot scene where "Arthur" got into a car accident and was being pulled out the police car and at the same time, Bruce's parents were being stalked by a masked killer. When Thomas Wayne and his wife got shot and killed in front of Bruce, "Arthur" woke up spitting out blood, symbolizing a reason for him to live and meet his match in the future.
I'm not sure that's the moral of the story. A moral of the story, among many, is that you should not worship or turn others into icons for your cause. People are usually not who you think they are. Treating others with kindness doesn't need to be a moral of a story, it should just be.
@@wandarah this doesn't necessarily feel like a movie that has a moral or specific message in mind at all, simply a collection of situations that, when combined, can lead to the destruction of a man
The moment they announced Joaquin Phoenix I knew it would be good. He's choosy with his roles so I knew there had to be SOMETHING there that attracted an actor of his caliber. Easily one of the best living actors
For actors his age he's all alone at the top right now. Ironically of ledger was around there would be 2 of em up there. If this movie isn't dark enough or seems like a soft taxi driver rip, go watch You Were Never Really Here, just a ridiculously dark movie with Phoenix at top of his game
I think the controversy around this movie is that people DO empathize with a villain and it scares them. To me the Joker is a story more about the haves and have nots. Class is a huge underpinning of this story, that value of human life and what happens when someone is stripped of their humanity by society. Those men that beat him, the ones that chased him, his possible father didn't see him as a person but as something less than human. That's what he became.
Never did scare me that I empathize with him. I don't even think he's supposed to be labeled a villain. He's an anti-hero, in classic comic book terms, and an extreme individualist in philosophical terms, that's symply disgusted with modern society. Well, of course, he's a special figure, both due to his character legacy from the comics and his individual intellectual qualities, but such people do exist, and "regular" people always play surprised when they do snap. Maybe watching the movie will create some sort of awareness.
it's manipulative, bc the people in real life who assault random people on subways, or push people onto the tracks in reality have far more in common with the joker than the wall street bros the movie portrays as the bullies of the subway. Look at the backgrounds and class of the real life violent criminals on US subways
@@mihan5660 but there is a common thread between a wall street banker who scams someone out of their retirement/home/investments and exploits loopholes and someone that pushes someone on the tracks...
@@Pookie515 I can go with that (and even worse, the Boeing execs flying the 737 max, big pharma, etc), but he only was given the gun the first place because he was victimized by children on the street; they beat him doing the same thing the wall street bros wanted to do. Furthermore, the protesters maimed cops who were trying to catch a serial murderer. Both classes have many members victimizing innocent people even in the movie, much less real life. Taking sides against the 'other' while ignoring the exact same bad behavior in your own group is very realistic, but I don't think it was supposed to be the take home message.
I saw the movie yesterday. I’ve never seen anything like it. The last 20 minutes... oh gosh... Joaquin is from another universe. You are being shocked every 5 minutes during 2 hours.
I wanted to run away , it was so painful but amusing and enjoyable pain , you like but you want it end . I felt depression after watching for some time
@@spartacus1155 No, it's a pretentious quote from one of those emo Harley Quinn "memes" made my edgy 12 year old girls lmfao. The fact that he used it made me throw up in my mouth.
The Joker threatens all that the woke elitist luvvies lap up and shakes their paradigm. Why they hate it because it tells the truth. They better watch out it doesn't become prophetic. Film of the century.
The Purge was dripping with anti-white overtones, that's why. If The Joker was black (from the start), this would receive ABSOLUTELY universal acclaim. But he's not. He's white. The white man may find something to relate to in this, driving him to do anything other than quietly kill himself, and that is "dangerous."
the purge was directed towards a specific group. the joker represents all the weirdos and incels. the joker plot is more attainable than the purge plot. there are actually people that are alienated and angry possibly psychotic. the purge was purely fantasy.
@@depressivetangela2033 I mean these people crying about how it could inspire real violence are the ones calling non-white people white supremacists and calling jews nazis lol
When you’re watching an origin movie, especially that of a villain, you have to witness their embrace of evil, even if it involves their embrace of violence. You have to witness the development of the character.
Legit just got back from the film and I would HIGHLY recommend everyone go see it. It’s unsettling at times but god damn is this movie incredible. Joaquin is phenomenal
J C I feel like the filmmakers were striving to make this film very joyless, because it’s about a tragedy of someone with mental issues slowly going down a road towards violence.
J C Someone explain what was so overly-tragic about this movie? People act like youve never seen reference to child abuse, psychotic thoughts, trauma or violence on screen before.
I really loved the part where he did that thing with the thing in the thing to that guy in the place and got the thing and went to do that thing with his things or something, I can't spoil it but we all know what I'm talking about here...
I thought the comment he wrote in his journal "the worst thing about having a mental illness is that everyone expects you to act like you don't" was a very eye opening statement.
Art Lover: it is truly a beautiful comment, and if you flip it, you’ll get Hamlet. Having several (honest; not proud), mental illnesses, I find it is like walking a tightrope on dental floss. You tell yourself to at least try, knowing you will fall, yet not knowing when or how far you’ll get. The falling part is easy. The difficult and agonizing part is not knowing which side (of sanity) you’ll land, if anyone is waiting for you, if there’s a bouncy thing (or the much easier slab of concrete) to land on, or if the floss will simply ever so easily slice your head off like a garrote...
When he was in the room with the doctor and she does not react to his what he says. She also mentioned him thst their got their funds cut and she tells him that: nobody caees about you and me and everyone in this hospital.
@@Brandonhayhew I liked that scene, it shows that even the therapists are still under the direct influence of their funders and higher-ups, and the moment they lose their funding indefinitely is when she comes clean with how she really thinks
I just watched it and let me tell you, this man killed it. Ledger def would’ve been proud of this take on the joker. He created his own joker. Still the joker we know, just it’s own compared to ledger. That’s my opinion.
Totally agreed mate... Health Ledger was awesome as Joker but that was his own take, & in this film Joaquin Phoenix makes the Joker his very own. Any comparisons between the two would be silly & unfair to both these brilliant actors.
George Vlsqz another fool who doesn’t know Joker. Neither Ledger or Phoneix played Joker at all. They played great psychopaths though. The only ones close to Joker is Nicholson, Leto, and ofc Mark Hamil. Ledger and Phoneix aren’t Joker.
George Vlsqz since Ledgers performance i can imagine the pressure these new actors get playing as a Joker. But joaquin phoenix did a very good job and lived up to the hype its bin getting. I dont know meybe i need to see other Jokers once more but in my opinion this Joker rivals Ledgers without a doubt.
Watching this movie I really started thinking about those themes like: we as a society treats underdogs like trash but then gets shocked when people turn around and do gruesome crimes. Obviously this is not always the case but still, got me thinking..
Rebecca Madsen And we hail celebrities as if they‘re gods and some people care about celebrities life even more than theirs🤷🏻♂️ Heck some people can‘t even let a celebrity walk in a park minding their own business.
The part where his case worker informed him that the funding for their program was being cut made me think. Because it is a reality that we do not fund mental health services enough right now. In THESE times. Come on now. Think about that. Everything we're going through. Can you imagine the number of people in the US going through this pandemic, out of work, the BLM movement against police brutality and racism, a fascist president, kids being locked in cages....all these horrific things going on right now...And people can't get healthcare to treat the inevitable mental illnesses that are undoubtedly being exacerbated. Can you imagine? I remember when Trump got elected that people MOCKED the people that actually cried over it. That bothered me quite a bit...and maybe the first three years were like "okay maybe we sensationalized this a little and were scared over nothing we haven't turned into a police state yet so that's good..." and then came 2020...and to me it became clear that those peoples' fears were 100% warranted. I have no idea where we will be by next year. I hope that this year will result in some serious collective self-reflection that leads to better outcomes.
He is too white for the role. The academy will try their best to to give it to a person of color. Not saying that to be racist or something. It's just sad that they would rather choose to be woke instead of being fair
Smartest damned thing DC's done since they started their competition with Marvel's movies. Dump the "shared universe" idea. They're just shackles on the writers and it's long played out anyway. Let each film be it's own film, and not dependent upon any other. It could be both a game changer for the superhero film genre in general and for DC who may end up being more successful producing solid one-off films rather than bloated, overly-entangled sequels, prequels, crossovers, etc. I think DC knows by now that they can't successfully copy Marvel's formula, and so they're trying something they're already good at - multi-verses.
Yeah it’s okay for thousands to die for no reason in other movies but in this movie like maybe 10 people die and everyone goes to shit. (Excluding anyone who died when everything went crazy at the end
People are really easily offended these days, & feel so self important that they don't think any art should be created that they disagree with. One journalist responded to this movie saying, "I don't know why why this movie was made," as if movie makers needed to have his permission to make films.
@@ultimateblong Plus, he kind of "ruined" ,is that the right word? Anyways, 'Taxi Driver' is going to be on the back of my mind when i watch Joker. Oh well, it's the risk you take when you watch a review.
It probably says as much about the quality of essays being submitted these days as anything else - in years past, movies that took their subject seriously and actually had something to say about them weren't nearly as rare as they are today, but that's largely lost on those who would give Endgame a "10/10... fantastic". Movies have largely lowered themselves to find their audiences rather than challenge their audiences to do some thinking.
I was blown away when I saw this movie. Honestly blown away. Everything about it. The acting, the acting, the acting, the music, the plot, how it connects with Batman, the setting, the twisted nature of it, how messed up it is, EVERYTHING. It was a perfect movie for someone like the Joker. Really a brilliant film
DC films always do well on their own and not connected with anything. If they continue to do character films like this, they might just find the fanbase again.
How many sides to a story is arbitrary to the situation. There may be two, six, nine. Sometimes there's only one. It's perception through observation which determines the side. I agree with you that if anyone can't empathize with a tragic character, then they are indeed the one with societal deficiency, and should open their eyes.
There's no such thing as a bad (or good) person. There's just people who do things that other people judge as either good or bad, and no matter who you are, you will be judged as both at some point. To empathize with anyone is merely to admit that at least some part of their situation is empathetic, NOT that the sum of their actions are completely justified.
Reminds me of "he only way to deal with an unfree world is to become so absolutely free that your very existence is an act of rebellion." By Albert Camus. A philosopher who talked alot about absurdism and nihilism. And absurdist nihilism is essentially the Joker's philosophy.
So, the screenwriter for the “Hangover Parts II and III” goes on and writes the HBO miniseries “Chernobyl”, and now the DIRECTOR of those two films goes on to direct “Joker”. Miracles can happen, guys...😭❤️
Wow it makes you wonder maybe he just needed a great writer there could have been a lot wrong with why hangover 1 and 2 were mediocre to OK movies but maybe he just needed a great movie to direct i wish Warner Brothers would let Zack Snyder make the movies he wants to instead of ruining his movies i definitely would never blame him for why batman v superman and why justice league were not the best movies see what happens Warner Brothers when you actually let directors do what they want
When watching the movie you really forget that it's a Joker movie. They did this absolutely incredibly, this movie seems alot more like a person damaged by society, and then this person realises that he gets all the attention by hurting and killing others, thinking violence is the only way to stop his pain. I think this Joker is a better fit for the sad back story, however I couldn't see him fighting batman. All the other Jokers were also great, don't get me wrong, they're great for being an actual Villian like in a Batman movie, but this Joker is a representation of what it looks like to feel worthless and lonely, always taken the piss out of, but then turns the table. I absolutely loved this movie and love how they portrayed the charater.
I agree; this Joker couldn't fight Batman... yet. There is definitely a page missing in Joker's development from the movie to that but honestly - I could totally see it; Joker going deeper into that rabbit hole and basically becoming what Ledger's Joker was.
jonas åberg i would think the joker that the batman fights would be a different joker influenced by arthur fleck talk on tv.perhaps a person with similar issues see’s joker and tries to become him in the future.
"When watching the movie you really forget that it's a Joker movie." That actually sums up my entire problem with this movie. Too slow to get the main point across. Too much exposition into his backstory as Arthur ; and not enough screen time as the Joker. Not enough chaos and/or violence ; which is what'd you'd expect to see in a Joker movie. All in all ; the movie delivered a great message to the screen ; but unfortunately the way in which it was delivered was too slow, too boring and too bland. It's really only towards the end of the movie where things begin to speed up. I'd give it a 6/10 at most. In spite of what most people say ; this movie was far from a masterpiece.
Raving Libertopian Personally, I think you were betrayed by your expectations. You didn‘t get what you want, and you do have a fair point too, the film is called joker and you wanted to see more of that actual topic, the joker. Fair judgement, even if I disagree.
Well, I didn’t watched Taxi Driver, yet.(definitely going to). So I don’t think this similarity or excessive inspiration it’s a problem. It was all new for me. I can say that I had a A+ experience at the theater. And to be fair, Taxi Driver it’s a 70’s movie. I’m 30 years old and all my friends didn’t watched Taxi Driver too. So I guess the majority of people who will watch the Joker haven’t watch Taxi Driver too. And won’t be a problem for them too.
@@heitorlgf Nice. Thought I made a mistake booking tickets for this. I just watched the first 5 minutes of taxi driver in tv once when I was little. Not a kids movie definitely.
Thats what she said that’s just false that’s a nice sounding sentence But most of the time in real life trauma and metal illness doesn’t come hand in hand with intelligence or maturity
@@MayoMike10 a salty comic fan who thought it deserved an A+. After Chris said it copying some things from Taxi Driver, I knew this shouldn't deserve an A+
I was on set as an extra, he smoked so much it was crazy! We all were literally in disbelief & jokingly concerned for his health, hahh, Also he was very skinny and super physical. He did a lot of running! He looked exhausted. Filming the riots scenes were pretty intense. Such a crazy experience 🤡
Just saw this film.. This film doesn’t revolve around Phoenix In fact, its The Master that circles around this film.. Joaquin Phoenix with an oscar worthy performance yet again...I hope he finally wins one, just like Leo and Oldman
Who else wants a scarecrow movie, like a joker 2019 esc. character study of Jonathan crane would be so disturbing. Starting out with the trauma of his grand mother putting crow attractor on him and locking him in an abandoned church as the crows pecked. But when he was a teen standing up for himself, by rubbing on a bully's eyes making the crows blind him (this all happened) and terrifying his grandmother and finally getting an apartment of his own. Becoming fascinating by fear, starving himself, going into psychology saying secret things to patients to trigger there deep down fears. You could have him try frequencies to give fear. Eventually becoming a professor, and during the job he develops the fear toxin, and the fear injector needle glove thing, and injecting himself making him immune to fear itself. Eventually something happens that makes him inject someone with it, regretting it at first, but realizing after how good it felt, to make an impact like that to someone else, to be someone. To turn his torment on them. He gets fired as a professor for firing a gun in glass as a demonstration on what makes fear. Than gets framed for bad stuff the rest of the staff did (he never got framed for the staff in comics, I just think it might work), and before almost being taken to black gate for the false accusations. He snaps, he finishes the injector, makes the suit. And when police bust down his door he appears from the corner behind it, and injects them, and goes on a rampage releasing true terror on the few unlucky streets, turning into the scarecrow.
The movie causes you to have "sympathy for the devil" - This didn't just take place in some make believe universe, this was an honest portrayal of present day society. There are plenty of people who are in a position similar to that of the main character, who literally have nothing to live for and are too aware and sensitive for their own good. They see the world as a cruel and evil place and a film like this has the potential to influence those kind of people into acts of violence. The Joker is actually glorified as a god among men for murdering people by the end of this film. Just because you have a strong grip on your reality, doesn't mean you should assume that other people do. I can guarantee you that there are now people sympathizing with school shooters and the Batman theater shooter after having seen this film. And on a side note, the movie also encourages revolution through violence, which is the MOST damaging message. It's a tyranical government's dream to have people rise up with violence, so they can strike them down with advanced militarization and usher in a whole new system of intense oppression. With all that being said, I hadn't heard any reviews prior to watching this movie, and these were my honest thoughts after seeing it. I thought the movie was amazing and set the bar to an unattainable level in regards to portraying the joker.
@@anthonyvaldes1021 And why should a film have a responsibility to tell us how to think? Should we be manipulated into being useful tools? I don't agree with your conclusion at all, by the way America came about from violent revolution. Modern Day France as well. Perhaps you should reflect more upon your view of reality and not be so set in stone.
"That's how it starts. The fever, the rage, the feeling of powerlessness... that turns good men... cruel." Yes it's from BVS but i think it's quite apt for joker.
Bale's batman voice must be retired, here's to hoping they keep the altered bat voice from BvS for the Pattison movie, and forget everything else from that flick
In the comics : Joker kills . In the tv shows : the Joker kills . Search online and as it describes the Joker that he is a villain who kills , steals and an abuser .... Even called sociopathic. In the movie Joker : The Joker kills . People : *surprised pikachu face*
@@Kingslayer205y it looks like this movie is taken from the killing joke where he was a failed comedian. Plus, he's known to lie about his past, and given how cryptic the ending is, certain events of this movie may not even have happened at all(or in his own delusional vision), maybe he really did kill those innocent people for no good reason
I was so uncomfortable the whole time seeing Arthur laugh or live his life, he was only a shell and living life like we all do, in a repeating circle of nothingness. But when he turned into the Joker I felt relieved, not because I sympathize with him or understand his motives( which I can to be honest) but because he truly does what he wants, he feels confident and for the first time in his life he feels happy. It was a truly beautiful thing to see. However, that does not mean that what the Joker did is an option we should consider. We can sympathize with his struggles, because everyone had hard times in their lifes, of course we understand, but when he kills his mother, it's not solely because he feels angry or betrayed, it's because he sees no use for her. That's not something anyone could easily understand. And you are right, the Joker is a violent person. He himself cares about nothing, he just wants to wreak havoc. He feels comfortable, seen, understood in chaos. I was truly uncomfortable and scared of him, he was like a rabid dog, ready to strike at any moment. Even if we sympathize, it's hard not to be scared.
That was hard to watch, when he smothered her, but I don't think it's merely because he no longer had a use for her, rather I think he systematically tried to erase anyone who had harmed him, and he visited her right after rediscovering his formerly repressed trauma resulting from abuse and her neglect // he felt she had horribly betrayed him by failing to act when he was being abused, that's why he tells her that even though she always said he had a condition, the truth about why he was so mentally ill was much more sinister... So the last scene featuring her, was a sort of liberation and ironically, a sort of twisted fresh start for him. As much as he does embody the anarchist persona, it still feeds more off of his pain rather than just off of a desire to wreak havoc, which is why he's kind of seen as a protagonist in the end...
Right? Especially when he was going on stage as a standup comedian in front of the girl he loves. Whenever he was laughing uncontrollably, I was sitting there, cringing, laying far back in my seat, hiding behind my fingers hoping something good happens. I like how I really sided with Arthur at the end, but at the start I was uneasy with how he was. After I understood what he was going through and how he's condition made it really hard, I understood and I sympathize with him. I also love how bad everything is going, and he still manages to have some great moments. Somebody cares for him, he meets a girl and she thinks a lot like him, he kisses two ladies, he becomes a standup comedian, he stars in the late night show, he always has the last laugh on the ones who don't like him, he becomes a symbol for the poor and oppressed and he just becomes more and more confident. Loved this film A+
I was very much afraid when watching the movie... It scared me to the core and filled me with fear, which I don’t understand why but in the end I do empathised with Arthur. I think why this movie is a major success it’s because it hits right at home, with society that gets crazier and crazier, and people treating each other colder and colder, kinda like the madness that Gotham has descended into 😕
The first half of that comment seemed like you were about to commit mass murder, but then the last half of that comment offered some pretty poignant, thoughtful analysis. Well done.
Joker portrays “graphically” what a lot of people, it not most, want to pretend they don’t see in today’s society. This film wouldn’t have gotten the controversy it has gotten only a few years ago. We’ve become a society that wants to pretend the problems of this world don’t exist, and mental health is among the few things that we should be paying attention to the most. Personally, I think this movie was fantastic and the media wants to demonize real world problems portrayed in film.
Very well put , i like how ignorance of today's society was uncovered through this movie. Contrary to people calling it disturbing , I felt so so relaxed after watching this film. Violence was less important aspect of it , most importantly it shows that everything has a consequence and you can be so much ignorant till chaos charges against you .
@@TheRaziel07 I dont think you know how critic reviews on RT work. RT is not a rating site for critics. RT just acculamates different reviews and from publications and movie critic sites and put them on RT. If you actually go on RT and read the critic reviews and click on the full review then it directs you to a different website from where that review came from. Meaning, 69% of Critics liked the movie. That's twice as many of those who didnt like it which was 31%. Meaning Joker is a pretty good movie. And yeah the new Ghostbusters wasnt really bad. The only reason why you guys hated it was because it was political for you. You obviously dont like Feminism so you didnt like the movie. It's the same reason why you guys didnt like the Last Jedi and Captain Marvel because "feminism". You know just because a movie has a feminist theme doesnt make it a bad movie. And you believing Feminism is bad doesnt make the movie bad. You actually have to use critical thinking and explain why Feminism didnt work for the film and where did it work. And critique other aspects of the movie. Just crying about Feminism makes you look like a weak pathetic tool.
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I think Joaquin Phoenix said it best himself : "I don't think it's the responsibility of a filmmaker to teach the audience morality"
Edit: Y'all need to stop liking this comment, or the fame will go to my head
People that are old enough to see this movie should know right from wrong as far as the justice system goes. It's stupid to pinpoint this movie as a problem when there's far worse stuff going on in the world to influence troubled individuals.
Politicians tried this crap with Marilyn Manson after the Columbine massacre. People don't go out and kill people because of a movie. People kill people because of mental illness lack of access to Mental Health Services. Parents who neglect their children and don't love them. Money for Wars but never money to help the average person. Politicians love to deflect from their failings,.
@@Brandonhayhew no it doesn't mean that
@@Brandonhayhew No stable, rational person would be influenced in the slightest to kill people because of a movie, only an unstable, dangerous person who was waiting for an excuse to do it.
@@Brandonhayhew Yes, they do. By their parents and their respective communities.
This film isn’t a glorification of mental illness or violence.
It’s a cautionary tale begging us to be careful how we treat people.
yet its all the jokers fault when he makes changes in his life that he believes can help him. (which is what we are told to do rely on ourselves.) people are eager to take credit when they do a good thing for someone one, when they help them, when they raise them right but when its the opposite they are like, that wasn't me that was all them lol
It's a personal cautionary tale for me. It's about how a desire for appreciation can cause you to loose your humanity and become a destroyer.
@@rsfilmdiscussionchannel4168 well said
john krats the joker was a sociopath, and yeah, you should be nice to people. That’s not a controversial thing to say.
It's not society's fault when someone goes crazy and kills people because people were mean to them. That's life.
"Also I feel like like people who are concerned about the violence in this movie haven't watched movies". Spot on, exactly how I felt.
I read this comment right when he say that, what a coincidence
I mean John Wick 3 did come out this year and i didn't hear anyone say a thing.
Lol literally? As someone who's watched all the John Wick movies, the violence in this movie was comparatively much, much milder.
Those people are clickbait press. Clickbait press shouldn't define what the people's opinions is. Clickbait press also thinks the US isn't dumb enough to re-elect Trump.
I watch movies and its a great movie!!
this movie proves that all this time dc trying to be like marvel that all it takes just dc need to be themselves
hunnies its not a dc movie
IDDQD it is.. lol
@@hunnies4600 no it isnt lmaooo
Doodlelyloo did u see the dc logo when the film started?
It’s not that hard to figured it out
IDDQD the logo present on the trailers & movie poster tho as for the starting of the movie might be because this joker isn’t associate in the dceu as previous characters’ movies.. thats all
“What were you expecting, for him to tickle people to death?” Ok, to be fair, that sounds exactly like something the joker would do, not to mention a super disturbing way to die.
That’d be fucking awful!
That's what he basically does with his "laughing gas" in the comics.
Phil Furney reminds me of that moment in the Arkham Asylum game were Joker looks like he’s about to pull out a gun, but pulls out a feather and tickles Batman instead
Dude what a nightmare.
Reminds me of an episode in Batman: The Animated Series when Joker releases a garbage barge that emits laughing gas.
Never seen a movie that took such a deep dive inside mental illness-you’re completely in the character’s mind. Stunning performance by Joaquin Phoenix
You should watch Fight Club as well! Definitely another one that Joker rivals. Also Taxi Driver
Mental illness is considered an illness for a reason, it shouldn't be glorified, there's nothing good about it.
Better watch the Polanski “apartment trilogy”
Jarrod Stowe this isn’t a glorification IMO. Nothing about it is glorious-it’s a study of it. Mental illness absolutely should be taken seriously, and at the core of Joker is a wish for society to not stigmatize people struggling with mental illness, and instead offer them the support and systems they need in order to be accepted and embraced
About mental illness, play the game Hellblade.
Amazing characterization and depiction of schizophrenia
"When you hand me my Oscar, can you introduce me as JOKER ?"
gold!
Niceeee
Lol 😂😂😂
An I thought the line "Do you wanna know how I got these Oscar's was good " that someone else posted was good , well done sir.
You get what you f&$&in deserve!!!
I don’t understand complaints about “violence” when we have Kill Bill, John Wick, Hostal.......are people serious? At least with Joker we can tell where is all this violence coming from.
sugarplumfairy20101 I mean it’s rated R... what do people expect?
Exactly lol idk why people watch a joker film and didn’t expect some crazy shit? Was a great film
sugarplumfairy20101 and umm The Surge? Which is advertised on literally everything I see....
But, I’ve heard Joker is anti-establishment minded. If that’s true, no wonder the media is telling everyone not to go see it.
Never watched the Surge in its entirety but looks pretty violent to me. And how about Saw?
sugarplumfairy20101 I completely agree with your comment
joker is uncannily realistic so people understandably feel unsettled by the film.
Right before Joaquin truly becomes Joker in the movie he says “I just had a bad day” and from Jokers monologue in ‘The Killing Joke’ he tells Batman “All it takes is one bad day”. This movie was an absolute masterpiece.
Great catch..I didn’t notice that. I can’t wait to watch it again to see why else I might have missed. I agree that it was a masterpiece, for sure
Amey Tiwari yeah I loved how they paid homage to past jokers in this, really amazing
I don't remember him saying that. At what point?
Ivin3690 When he’s sitting in Sophies living room and shes freaking out because she doesn’t know him and shes asking him to leave, the first thing he says is “I just had a bad day”
@@SingAlongChong oh that's right! I remember now!
Chris: Joker is my favorite ...
Me: Oh my god, we are gonna get an A+ after 2 years.
Chris: comic book villain of all time.
Lol
Yeah I thought it was gonna be an A+😂
What was the Last A+?
@@CunhaGamesPT Lady Bird (2017)
@@kabirahuja4229 that movie sucked
“The most dangerous creation of any society is the man who has nothing to lose.”
-James Baldwin
Nice copy paste
moneyarr Kind of. I dual screened it so I guess it’s a copy and paste. :)
yes joker is so deep, we really live in a society
GreenBeanDaddy “I’m gay.”
-Idubbbz
Reminds me of the unabomber for some reason.
Major difference between Heath Ledger and Joaquin Phoenix’s Joker:
Heath Ledger’s Joker: he creates chaos
Joaquin Phoenix’s Joker: Chaos created him
That's a nice way to put it. I'll add that this is the best origin story that I've seen since jack Nicolas fell into a toxic vat in the Michael Keaton Batman. Plus, this was even a two for one origin story with no flash backs cause it also had Bruce Wayne's Batman origin story in it as well.
I'd grown sick to death of origin stories up till now but this one was good. Plus it was a remake of taxi driver too and yet it was a remake I liked.
Pheonix is also a by proxy Messiah for Gotham's angry impoverished public.
Kristian Ortiz Unpopular opinion: Phoenix’s joker is better than ledgers.
You kids crack me up!!!
@@alecthomas7408 That's now the popular opinion
The scene on the train where he is laughing uncontrollably but you still see him terrified had me torn up. Incredible performance.
It make me scared
best scene
@पढ़ो अंग्रेजी पर लिखो हिंदी How ironic.
Legit felt for him
You can just feel the pain in Chris's face when he's discussing all the criticism of the movie before it came out
Ashwin Rajendra truly it is
Nikal lodu😉
Ashwin Rajendra 9:56 I mean do you need to constantly think about movies all the time? Some movies are meant to just be entertaining, not everything has to be deep, morally ambiguous, thought provoking(which lead to depressing discussions that leave no where and don’t change anything) and not Oscar worthy? Who cares if a couple movies are entertaining and disposable...? Live with it..
The criticism has been absolutely ridiculous.
조커 : 배트맨 나에게도 순정이 있다
Everyone: Joker will get an A+
Chris: "All I have are negative A's"
The press: “all I have are negative thoughts...”
LOL..Brilliant
Elias Moreira “All I have are positive thoughts”
@Token Black Alita got a B.
@Master Devoe how was it?
as a criminology student, joker movie is a good case study of understanding the root cause of a crime, that crime isnt just a single spontaneus act, its how a series of unfortunate events and different behaviors that others resort to crimes
Not true. So not true. Crime only needs one act. Omg dont say that.
@@leavefollow1698 its true, there are a lot of factors why people resort to crime however little that factor may be, take for example a news a long time ago, a kid punches another kid to death even if he was just bullied once, yeah he killed him because of that but as the authority investigates it all comes down to what is happening before, the kid was molested by his uncle and was punished because his uncle said it was him who initiated the act, was punished by his dad, and was extremely bullied in his neighborhood calling him names for doing that, he lost his friends, he was on the edge of his sanity, and that one act pushes him to his limits. the reason for the crime may be just that one act but the root cause of it was a combination of misfortune that led his mind to think that it was the best thing to do.
@@aaaknowkneemoos4811 No. That happens all the time. If you have a kid that is a bully, something happened to him back home. No doubt
But a situation could manifest off of one molestation case that impactedm.
affected him. He is not believed. He sees someone put their handz on a femalr in a sexual attempt.. Murder. Not uncommon.
Leave Follow you’re completely disregarding the fact that no two brains are the same and everyone deals with the abuse they endure as kids in different ways. Some get therapy, some split their personalities into many different ones, and others manufacture it through more violence. Simply can’t put everyone under the same ombrella
@@ema9189 I don't know what you are reading, but I do not disregard any fact that no two brains are the same. The general statement that she just is common knowledge - common sense for me. If you saw what I was replying to, you would have seen that I was replying to an example that was given to me. And just for the record, there is an exception to every rule. So while you say that 02 brains are exactly the same, there are Exceptions to that rule as well. I am just kind of confused about. I didn't say one thing that was universal. I said all you need is one incident; and then I gave an example of a bullying which was a Direct response to the person I was replying to. Where our nerve did you get that I was disregarding any to brains? Where did I say that everyone was exactly the same? That doesn't make the least bit of sense. Once again, there was talk about multiple things happening to one person that will drive the crazy. All I said was that if it is adequate enough, that will be enough to drive the crazy; especially if they didn't have anyone to turn to, or they tried to turn to someone who ended up betraying them.
1989 Joker : “Let’s throw him in chemical mix poison pool”
2019 joker: “ let’s throw him in society”
such an original comment 🤟🏻 only the 20th time i’ve seen it.
yo lo .... And it kind of becomes full circle like that.
Worst and overhyped movie ever
@@AshutoshKumar-fx3vj ok boomer
@@AshutoshKumar-fx3vj Ok, Comic Book Guy
Rotten tomatoes ratings-
Dora : 84%
Ghostbusters : 74%
Joker : 69%
Rotten tomatoes - All I have are negative thoughts :)
Parkis Deuri not to mention the dave chapelle debacle
Rotten Tomatoes ratings are so fake.
I know i literally was disgusted when i say the rotten tomatoes reviews, all the audience reviews were like 10/10 but yet the “verified critics” rated it 69%. Throw the whole cite away
How the hell did Dora get higher than Joker...
Top critics have Joker at 43%. They’re a joke.
In my opinion, Joker was an accurate depiction of how mental illness and abuse, when left unchecked by society, can lead an individual towards committing violent and self-destructive acts.
Jonathan Willis You are indeed an intellectual human being, I applaud you.
Is because people like you!!! Look down on us!!! Yet, when we stand up for our selfs. We are seeing as the bad guys!!!! Never mess with somebody who is a loner. The like being alone. So going to prison is a luxury. And we are not crazy!!!!! We are evil too “evil laugh”
Yeah it's pathetic how angry about this movie people are, how they want to ban it.
All it does is address actual problems in this world, you can meme about "this is a society" all you want but it's fucking true, basically everyone in the US who goes on a rampage has been failed by their friends, family and health care professionals who are supposed to care for them. None of those things should happen and yet in the US they do *every day*.
If people are angry at this movie then their pathetic little tantrums are a complete waste of their stupid thoughts, why not put that energy towards, y'know, an actual problem.
Pointing out a problem isnt agreeing with it or encouraging it.
Jonathan Willis put the “self” out of your comment, it’s more accurate to what the movie shows
I think not just mental illness, but anyone who have had it so bad for so long, then that one final “bad day” happened. Like with the guy from the Las Vegas Shooting.
Murray Franklin: You killed those 3 wall street boys?
Arthur: Yeah they were beating me to death and I shot them in self defense
Murray Franklin: Understandable
*Roll Credits*
He chased them down and shot them multiple times. Seems like self defense to me **Sarcasm** Although the first couple of shots were self defense tho.
@@boy_wxnder2662 ok so 2 out of 3 of them were self defense
@@nateds7326 Yes.
@@boy_wxnder2662 you seriously sound on this comment as a defender of rich people beating up this guy
@@mateoleon524 I mean the first shots were self defense. But when he chased them down and tried to go out of his way to kill them. Thats when he crossed the line. I am not saying what those dudes did were right but they were not enough to get shot through the brains for.
WHY IS EVERYBODY SO RUDE, WHY IS EVERYONE SO MEAN TO EACH OTHER?
...Arthur Fleck
Jolly John
Quoted by some of the rudest and meanest shitposters and incels around, ironically.
When he said that i want to hug him
NOBODY’S CIVIL ANYMORE!
@@kriscastillo2585 You wanted to hug him... after he had killed multiple people...?
Keenan Paterson Hmmmm that’s hard i don’t know maybe Yes? When he was still Arthur i’m just so sad for him.
The most impressive part was the laugh. Never got old; always unsettling.
The way the film used his romance was brilliant.
The guy sitting next to me always laughed at it. Fucking hate the theatre
@@Eidlones it's a very contagious bro
OJ Clinton Unsettling is a prefect way to describe it. I felt that way with his character, as a whole
@@Eidlones The theater I was at was dead silent. So silent that I would often look around to see if anyone was there even though I knew it was full. I am not sure if I liked that though. Sometimes I want to hear the audience laugh a little because it breaks the tension. I mean it was almost odd. Nobody got up once to go take a bathroom break. When I say it was dead silent I mean it! I never experienced that before. I don't know if they liked it or hated it, but when it was over no many got up to leave. When we walked out the door a police officer was standing there. I guess I should have been expecting great danger while watching this movie with my family. That is kind of sad.
Explain that romance point.
“I almost forgot to punch out” - Joker 2019
How's lumbago going
1989 Joker : “Let’s throw him in chemical mix poison pool”
2019 joker: “ let’s throw him in society”
@@cyberrock9018 twas not 2019, it was before 2019.
@Skylr Wilson *It falls off*
Lumbago
I love the riot scene where "Arthur" got into a car accident and was being pulled out the police car and at the same time, Bruce's parents were being stalked by a masked killer. When Thomas Wayne and his wife got shot and killed in front of Bruce, "Arthur" woke up spitting out blood, symbolizing a reason for him to live and meet his match in the future.
Spoiler alert maybe???
Jaskaran Singh why are you on this video, scrolling this far into the comment section then?
@@ryanallman8523 maybe because people want to know if they agree to his point of view?
this joker is not the one that will be fighting batman
Batman and joker were both born at that moment
Moral of the story: Be Kind to Others
I'm not sure that's the moral of the story. A moral of the story, among many, is that you should not worship or turn others into icons for your cause. People are usually not who you think they are.
Treating others with kindness doesn't need to be a moral of a story, it should just be.
@@wandarah this doesn't necessarily feel like a movie that has a moral or specific message in mind at all, simply a collection of situations that, when combined, can lead to the destruction of a man
@@wrongtime9097 I mean it's pretty clearly depicted against a backdrop of class war - its quite an unsubtle critique of capitalism and austerity.
@@wrongtime9097 bingo..👏👏👍
SPOILER.
I don't know, what happened to his "girlfriend" even though she was kind to him in the elevator contradicts this
The moment they announced Joaquin Phoenix I knew it would be good. He's choosy with his roles so I knew there had to be SOMETHING there that attracted an actor of his caliber. Easily one of the best living actors
Great actor but still a vegan lefty troll.
For actors his age he's all alone at the top right now. Ironically of ledger was around there would be 2 of em up there. If this movie isn't dark enough or seems like a soft taxi driver rip, go watch You Were Never Really Here, just a ridiculously dark movie with Phoenix at top of his game
@Purebred Shekelberg Unlike everyone in that industry?
Psycho freak drug addict like you
How do you explain Brother Bear though?
"What did people expect? Him to tickle people to death???"
I'm dead.
He tickled your pickle ;)
Now you're dead...
Lame
Davis Parks 😂😂laughed at that part
Aha yes that part in the video that we both watched thanks for reminding me of it, good job adding much more hilarity to the video
No big suprise
I think the controversy around this movie is that people DO empathize with a villain and it scares them. To me the Joker is a story more about the haves and have nots. Class is a huge underpinning of this story, that value of human life and what happens when someone is stripped of their humanity by society. Those men that beat him, the ones that chased him, his possible father didn't see him as a person but as something less than human. That's what he became.
Never did scare me that I empathize with him. I don't even think he's supposed to be labeled a villain. He's an anti-hero, in classic comic book terms, and an extreme individualist in philosophical terms, that's symply disgusted with modern society. Well, of course, he's a special figure, both due to his character legacy from the comics and his individual intellectual qualities, but such people do exist, and "regular" people always play surprised when they do snap. Maybe watching the movie will create some sort of awareness.
it's manipulative, bc the people in real life who assault random people on subways, or push people onto the tracks in reality have far more in common with the joker than the wall street bros the movie portrays as the bullies of the subway. Look at the backgrounds and class of the real life violent criminals on US subways
@@mihan5660 but there is a common thread between a wall street banker who scams someone out of their retirement/home/investments and exploits loopholes and someone that pushes someone on the tracks...
@@Pookie515 I can go with that (and even worse, the Boeing execs flying the 737 max, big pharma, etc), but he only was given the gun the first place because he was victimized by children on the street; they beat him doing the same thing the wall street bros wanted to do. Furthermore, the protesters maimed cops who were trying to catch a serial murderer. Both classes have many members victimizing innocent people even in the movie, much less real life. Taking sides against the 'other' while ignoring the exact same bad behavior in your own group is very realistic, but I don't think it was supposed to be the take home message.
I saw the movie yesterday. I’ve never seen anything like it. The last 20 minutes... oh gosh... Joaquin is from another universe. You are being shocked every 5 minutes during 2 hours.
Same here.
Agreed! the last 20 minutes were nuts! Total chaos! Loved it!
I agree. I felt it was an homage to Scorsese and New York until the talk show. Then it blasted off into its own zone.
I need to see it!
Holy shit. I really can't wait now.
When the movie finished I immediately wanted to see it again.
Takwakin40 same ! So good
sameeeeeee😭😭😭
I felt the same way about Man of steel and the dark Knight I haven't watched this movie yet
This is one of the only movies I am going to see three times in theaters.
I wanted to run away , it was so painful but amusing and enjoyable pain , you like but you want it end . I felt depression after watching for some time
Joker: "Why should I apologize for the monster I've become? No one ever apologized for making me this way"
Everyone else: "........."
jediknightgeo :😮
Is that quote actually in the movie?
Spartacus115 yeah I really wanna know if it. Beautiful if so
@@spartacus1155 No idea lol
@@spartacus1155 No, it's a pretentious quote from one of those emo Harley Quinn "memes" made my edgy 12 year old girls lmfao. The fact that he used it made me throw up in my mouth.
Everyone is a product of their environment. Therefore each of us bears some responsibility when someone goes off the rails.
“I used to think that my life was a cringe compilation, but now I realize it’s a try not to laugh challenge”
skratta du fallura du
stolen meme +1
Trevor Weissert U-stands for, unoriginal joke and stolen meme
L m A o
I think you were right the 1st time .
Its like when laughter hurt him, he was holding himself back. Then when he lets go the laughter takes over.
awesome!! I need to watch this ASAP
If I had a dollar for every jackass that has your profile picture
Why are you gayy?
He's laughing on the outside but crying inside.
Shut the fuck up
Fans: Chris, will you ever give an A+ to a 2019 movie yet?
Chris: No, no, I don’t think I will.
Knight_ Crawler well there hasn’t been a film that have knocked it outta the park
Aus7in Blade runner is the only one
He hardly ever gives them out anymore
@@yzjstc2002 Blade Runner 2049 was a masterpiece
Parasite bro. Wait for Parasite.
Or Lighthouse
Glorify violence, yet they give John Wick all the praise.
I don't think this movie 'glorifies' anything.
The Joker threatens all that the woke elitist luvvies lap up and shakes their paradigm. Why they hate it because it tells the truth. They better watch out it doesn't become prophetic. Film of the century.
The violence in John Wick 3 was cartoonish and even more over the top than the first two good Wick movies.
brian janson it glorifies entertainment
@@ColbyBumington it glorifies art not just entertainment and that's why i loved it
I love how a movie like Joker will have a “bad impact on society”. The purge is ok though?
The Purge was dripping with anti-white overtones, that's why. If The Joker was black (from the start), this would receive ABSOLUTELY universal acclaim. But he's not. He's white. The white man may find something to relate to in this, driving him to do anything other than quietly kill himself, and that is "dangerous."
the purge was directed towards a specific group. the joker represents all the weirdos and incels. the joker plot is more attainable than the purge plot. there are actually people that are alienated and angry possibly psychotic. the purge was purely fantasy.
@@mitchellnewman9670 You say this like realistic psychotic movie characters don't exist
RADIOACTIVEBUNY But Joaquin Phoenix is not white, he’s a Hispanic Jew
@@depressivetangela2033 I mean these people crying about how it could inspire real violence are the ones calling non-white people white supremacists and calling jews nazis lol
When you’re watching an origin movie, especially that of a villain, you have to witness their embrace of evil, even if it involves their embrace of violence. You have to witness the development of the character.
You had to do it to em
Character development thrown out the window in most movies coming out these days.
@@atomicalien4 do you want to take a breather or?
Curd ? Wtf does that even mean
Tinted VisionZz I missed his comment!! I wish I could have seen it to reply. Anyone remember what was said?
Legit just got back from the film and I would HIGHLY recommend everyone go see it. It’s unsettling at times but god damn is this movie incredible. Joaquin is phenomenal
Unsettling? There was nothing really overly dark or unsettling about it. Unless you never watch these type of genre movies.
J C I feel like the filmmakers were striving to make this film very joyless, because it’s about a tragedy of someone with mental issues slowly going down a road towards violence.
J C Someone explain what was so overly-tragic about this movie? People act like youve never seen reference to child abuse, psychotic thoughts, trauma or violence on screen before.
b4Sed1593 Nobody said that it’s overly-tragic, but it’s still a harsh story for Arthur Fleck.
I really loved the part where he did that thing with the thing in the thing to that guy in the place and got the thing and went to do that thing with his things or something, I can't spoil it but we all know what I'm talking about here...
The movie doesn't condone violence, it shows us why violence happens.
Facts its societys fault we need to treat everyone how we want to be treated
SOOO TRUE OMG THIS IS WHY I BEAT UP MY BROTHER THIS MORNING YOU ARE SO RIGHT
Joker's laugh was heartbreaking each time...
PrinceAlbert10G it was so amazing that I was feeling sorry for him at first and then terrified at the last victim...
I cried each time it reached more completion I was thinking to myself “society screwed up” sad it reached that point, it happens in real life
For me it was heartbreaking when he was sign spinning and then got mugged and beaten up after chasing them. Honestly I cry every time
Jimmy D I teared up at the beginning when he was cry laughing to the psychiatrist.
every time he laughed you could tell he was actually in such excruciating pain, however when he danced that was when he was truly happy.
I thought the comment he wrote in his journal "the worst thing about having a mental illness is that everyone expects you to act like you don't" was a very eye opening statement.
That hit me hard. So sad that it's true 😔
This resonated with me on such a deep level. I wasn't expecting this movie to hit me so hard.
Art Lover phew. Good to see the comments section for this review. People really watched this film. Stay off Twitter haha
Art Lover: it is truly a beautiful comment, and if you flip it, you’ll get Hamlet. Having several (honest; not proud), mental illnesses, I find it is like walking a tightrope on dental floss. You tell yourself to at least try, knowing you will fall, yet not knowing when or how far you’ll get. The falling part is easy. The difficult and agonizing part is not knowing which side (of sanity) you’ll land, if anyone is waiting for you, if there’s a bouncy thing (or the much easier slab of concrete) to land on, or if the floss will simply ever so easily slice your head off like a garrote...
“She always tells me to smile, and put on a happy face.”
-Joker 2019
I just watched this movie last night and it was absolutely thought provoking. The ending got me like “damn, he dose got a good point”
Yeah, because he was tied up experiencing horrors that would shape his future. And that future was...
*JOKER*
When he was in the room with the doctor and she does not react to his what he says.
She also mentioned him thst their got their funds cut and she tells him that: nobody caees about you and me and everyone in this hospital.
@@Brandonhayhew I liked that scene, it shows that even the therapists are still under the direct influence of their funders and higher-ups, and the moment they lose their funding indefinitely is when she comes clean with how she really thinks
Joker said once:" All it takes is one bad day to reduce the sanest man alive to lunacy"
Killing joke
@Skungi does that mean anything? A comic book movie is still art and great ideas can still be portrayed on screen
Thus created gypsy crusader
Can we ask the Oscars to do one small thing?
When they bring him out, can they introduce him as Joker?
LoganTheLionheart no. You don’t watch the Oscars clearly.
"People are stupid, panicky beings and you know it."
K, Men In Black
"A person is smart, people are stupid panicky beings and you know it. "
The actual quote is "A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals and you know it."
@@TheRedname thanks, it's been a while.
I just watched it and let me tell you, this man killed it. Ledger def would’ve been proud of this take on the joker. He created his own joker. Still the joker we know, just it’s own compared to ledger. That’s my opinion.
Totally agreed mate... Health Ledger was awesome as Joker but that was his own take, & in this film Joaquin Phoenix makes the Joker his very own. Any comparisons between the two would be silly & unfair to both these brilliant actors.
George Vlsqz another fool who doesn’t know Joker. Neither Ledger or Phoneix played Joker at all. They played great psychopaths though. The only ones close to Joker is Nicholson, Leto, and ofc Mark Hamil. Ledger and Phoneix aren’t Joker.
Mr Mxyzptlk Did you just fucking say “Leto”? Hahaha
George Vlsqz since Ledgers performance i can imagine the pressure these new actors get playing as a Joker. But joaquin phoenix did a very good job and lived up to the hype its bin getting. I dont know meybe i need to see other Jokers once more but in my opinion this Joker rivals Ledgers without a doubt.
You fuck faces got to remember Health ledger was held back because of PG-13.
Watching this movie I really started thinking about those themes like: we as a society treats underdogs like trash but then gets shocked when people turn around and do gruesome crimes.
Obviously this is not always the case but still, got me thinking..
Rebecca Madsen And we hail celebrities as if they‘re gods and some people care about celebrities life even more than theirs🤷🏻♂️ Heck some people can‘t even let a celebrity walk in a park minding their own business.
The part where his case worker informed him that the funding for their program was being cut made me think. Because it is a reality that we do not fund mental health services enough right now. In THESE times. Come on now. Think about that. Everything we're going through. Can you imagine the number of people in the US going through this pandemic, out of work, the BLM movement against police brutality and racism, a fascist president, kids being locked in cages....all these horrific things going on right now...And people can't get healthcare to treat the inevitable mental illnesses that are undoubtedly being exacerbated. Can you imagine? I remember when Trump got elected that people MOCKED the people that actually cried over it. That bothered me quite a bit...and maybe the first three years were like "okay maybe we sensationalized this a little and were scared over nothing we haven't turned into a police state yet so that's good..." and then came 2020...and to me it became clear that those peoples' fears were 100% warranted. I have no idea where we will be by next year. I hope that this year will result in some serious collective self-reflection that leads to better outcomes.
Joaquin Phoenix
2019 Academy Award Winner for Best Actor
Joaquin Phoenix
2019 Academy Award Winner for Best Actor
He is too white for the role. The academy will try their best to to give it to a person of color. Not saying that to be racist or something. It's just sad that they would rather choose to be woke instead of being fair
Hollywood will snub Joaquin Phoenix...you can bet on that.
melvin khosa, yeah. Because Gary oldman isn’t white.
Its 2020 but true
Smartest damned thing DC's done since they started their competition with Marvel's movies. Dump the "shared universe" idea. They're just shackles on the writers and it's long played out anyway. Let each film be it's own film, and not dependent upon any other. It could be both a game changer for the superhero film genre in general and for DC who may end up being more successful producing solid one-off films rather than bloated, overly-entangled sequels, prequels, crossovers, etc. I think DC knows by now that they can't successfully copy Marvel's formula, and so they're trying something they're already good at - multi-verses.
Although I doubt DC will drop their multiverse thingy, I am definitely looking forward to more of DC Dark
Right!
“Having a million dollars is like having one dollar a million times”
-joker 2019
Angel Hernandez that’s gandi
I'm something of a scientist myself
That's why it's called one million dollars. It's not called a million penny or a million 10 dollars etc.
To drive the sanest man alive to complete lunacy
“Arthur could you get the door?”
Bla bla bla nah nah nah. Why do people even like this comment?
Anderson Silva why do you think so?
Anderson Silva In your opinion*
Dude every scene has Joaquin.
But you are right tho.
John Fritz well yeah it's a character study so no complaints
Yes but the movie is overall crap
Every villain is a hero in his own mind
Joker 2019~
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I love when the media has to discuss media generated controversy.
The media are begging for a shooting to happen during a screening.
@@roblinnbailey2359 more like the Government which runs the main stream media.
Its pathetic
@@roblinnbailey2359
Facts
I ruined the 666th like. Fuck it, bring on 667.
"The people who are concerned about the violence in this movie haven't watched movies"
-Best Movie Tagline Award 2019
Yeah it’s okay for thousands to die for no reason in other movies but in this movie like maybe 10 people die and everyone goes to shit. (Excluding anyone who died when everything went crazy at the end
I don’t think it’s the violence in this movie people are concerned about.
People are really easily offended these days, & feel so self important that they don't think any art should be created that they disagree with. One journalist responded to this movie saying, "I don't know why why this movie was made," as if movie makers needed to have his permission to make films.
Fuck that fucker
@@CarrieArt7 : Yeah, such self-important people are pretentious as fcuk ! Their opinions should be kicked in the nuts.
This movie is the first one in a long time to make me squirm, fascinated, terrified, sympathetic, angry, and sad. It's why I love it.
A-?
That's it, Chris needs to see ' Parasite' or 'Lighthouse'.
Sigh, The search for that 'A+' continues.
absolutely, best movies of the year.
tawab ahmed Parasite was good, but not an A+
Yes he also gives some points of negative critique, it's obvious he was not gonna give it an A+.
Like he said, he's biased. So I'm not even going to take this review seriously.
@@ultimateblong Plus, he kind of "ruined" ,is that the right word? Anyways, 'Taxi Driver' is going to be on the back of my mind when i watch Joker. Oh well, it's the risk you take when you watch a review.
“I used to think my life was a tragedy, but now I realize it’s a comedy!”
- Joaquin Phoenix, JOKER (2019)
~Michael Scott
I used to think my life was a cringe compilation, but now I realize it's a try not to laugh challenge
joker movie
its a fuckin comedy **
dU KE fuckin comedy*
God Chris would be the most annoying teacher....
"This is one of the best essays I've ever read, you have something truly special here....A minus"
Lmao
"Son of a bitch! Really? I plagiarized that from an A+ paper!!!!"
It probably says as much about the quality of essays being submitted these days as anything else - in years past, movies that took their subject seriously and actually had something to say about them weren't nearly as rare as they are today, but that's largely lost on those who would give Endgame a "10/10... fantastic". Movies have largely lowered themselves to find their audiences rather than challenge their audiences to do some thinking.
S'all good man! lol
Malt454 that’s what I’ve been noticing lately
I was blown away when I saw this movie. Honestly blown away. Everything about it. The acting, the acting, the acting, the music, the plot, how it connects with Batman, the setting, the twisted nature of it, how messed up it is, EVERYTHING. It was a perfect movie for someone like the Joker. Really a brilliant film
i think Murray was blown away by it too!
Dude!! I finally just watched it, I was Freaking out!!! It fits Perfectly! This movie was 100% the perfect origin story, for real.
*Marvel:* “decent movie, but our Endgame made over $2 billion”
*DC:* “It isn’t about the money - it’s about sending a message.”
🔥🔥
Just this time, honestly. All other DC movies are attempts to make money just like Marvel
DC tries to copy marvel
@@spill09 I think he's talking about other DC movies. And he's right. This is like only good DC movie since the Batman Trilogy
DC films always do well on their own and not connected with anything. If they continue to do character films like this, they might just find the fanbase again.
"The child who is not embraced by the village will burn it down to feel its warmth"
Christopher Koester -An African proverb
Jeez every Joker video always has this comment
Where's that quote from :O
kilmonger
Cat C More like a 12 year old edgelord proverb
Chris's impressions of making Batman and Ledger's Jokers voice is spot on
I know this is the comment that'll make Chris smile the most
I rewatched both impressions 5 times, true story :D
He's great with impressions....,😁
No it isnt, stop kissing ass.
I just can't get over Johnny Cash playing the Joker lol
People complaining that this movie makes them "empathise with this bad guy". There's two sides to every story, it's just opening your eyes to it.
Ironically, those who complain are EXACTLY the kind of people Joker talked about in the TV show, only interested in THEIR side of the story.
Yea everyone is just so used to Batman or any hero in this matter, while they never know why the villain or antagonist was lead up to this point
How many sides to a story is arbitrary to the situation. There may be two, six, nine. Sometimes there's only one. It's perception through observation which determines the side. I agree with you that if anyone can't empathize with a tragic character, then they are indeed the one with societal deficiency, and should open their eyes.
There's no such thing as a bad (or good) person. There's just people who do things that other people judge as either good or bad, and no matter who you are, you will be judged as both at some point. To empathize with anyone is merely to admit that at least some part of their situation is empathetic, NOT that the sum of their actions are completely justified.
john krats is your name nobody? Also I don’t think to u quite know what an incel is.
“The only intelligent tactical response to the horror of life is to defiantly laugh at it.” Hence Joker’s laugh.
That's deep 😌
Reminds me of "he only way to deal with an unfree world is to become so absolutely free that your very existence is an act of rebellion." By Albert Camus. A philosopher who talked alot about absurdism and nihilism. And absurdist nihilism is essentially the Joker's philosophy.
It would be a neurotic response.
You’re illiterate and in desperate need of a high school English class.
Does that explain why I uncontrollably smile and chuckle at very terrible and horrifying things in life?
So, the screenwriter for the “Hangover Parts II and III” goes on and writes the HBO miniseries “Chernobyl”, and now the DIRECTOR of those two films goes on to direct “Joker”.
Miracles can happen, guys...😭❤️
Tell that to Disney and Star Wars. :p
@@1977Yakko Wrong channel, dude.
@Daniel Kunkle
“Miracles can happen” =/= “Miracles will happen”
@@markcobuzzi826 Good point.
Wow it makes you wonder maybe he just needed a great writer there could have been a lot wrong with why hangover 1 and 2 were mediocre to OK movies but maybe he just needed a great movie to direct i wish Warner Brothers would let Zack Snyder make the movies he wants to instead of ruining his movies i definitely would never blame him for why batman v superman and why justice league were not the best movies see what happens Warner Brothers when you actually let directors do what they want
When watching the movie you really forget that it's a Joker movie. They did this absolutely incredibly, this movie seems alot more like a person damaged by society, and then this person realises that he gets all the attention by hurting and killing others, thinking violence is the only way to stop his pain. I think this Joker is a better fit for the sad back story, however I couldn't see him fighting batman. All the other Jokers were also great, don't get me wrong, they're great for being an actual Villian like in a Batman movie, but this Joker is a representation of what it looks like to feel worthless and lonely, always taken the piss out of, but then turns the table.
I absolutely loved this movie and love how they portrayed the charater.
i agree totally with ur comment. also i love ur pfp lmao. big george memeulous
I agree; this Joker couldn't fight Batman... yet. There is definitely a page missing in Joker's development from the movie to that but honestly - I could totally see it; Joker going deeper into that rabbit hole and basically becoming what Ledger's Joker was.
jonas åberg i would think the joker that the batman fights would be a different joker influenced by arthur fleck talk on tv.perhaps a person with similar issues see’s joker and tries to become him in the future.
"When watching the movie you really forget that it's a Joker movie."
That actually sums up my entire problem with this movie. Too slow to get the main point across. Too much exposition into his backstory as Arthur ; and not enough screen time as the Joker. Not enough chaos and/or violence ; which is what'd you'd expect to see in a Joker movie. All in all ; the movie delivered a great message to the screen ; but unfortunately the way in which it was delivered was too slow, too boring and too bland. It's really only towards the end of the movie where things begin to speed up. I'd give it a 6/10 at most. In spite of what most people say ; this movie was far from a masterpiece.
Raving Libertopian Personally, I think you were betrayed by your expectations. You didn‘t get what you want, and you do have a fair point too, the film is called joker and you wanted to see more of that actual topic, the joker. Fair judgement, even if I disagree.
That was a fantastic Heath Ledger Joker impression, Chris
You can tell how much he loves the dark knight because his batman was on point as well.
“This Film is wonderful...”
Oh yes, the A+ drought is over
*two minutes later*
“...And that’s probably my main flaw with this movie”
Dammit
I'm positive the drought will end with The Irishman
Well, I didn’t watched Taxi Driver, yet.(definitely going to). So I don’t think this similarity or excessive inspiration it’s a problem. It was all new for me. I can say that I had a A+ experience at the theater.
And to be fair, Taxi Driver it’s a 70’s movie. I’m 30 years old and all my friends didn’t watched Taxi Driver too. So I guess the majority of people who will watch the Joker haven’t watch Taxi Driver too. And won’t be a problem for them too.
@@heitorlgf Nice. Thought I made a mistake booking tickets for this. I just watched the first 5 minutes of taxi driver in tv once when I was little. Not a kids movie definitely.
The hunt for the A+ october.
@@heitorlgf I'm 18 and I've seen Taxi Driver lol, I wouldn't say it's the BEST movie in the world but this worth seeing.
I'm still processing it. Definitely worth a second or third watch for me.
Miko Chan Same here.
Gizmo Allwin Cool. Planing on Sunday (round 2) after Comic Con.
same man
@Gizmo Allwin Share mo lang?
Same, I’m in shock
That moment when people in the cinema were clearly confused at the midget scene, can they, or should they laigh at it or not... Priceless!!
"The worst part about having a mental illness is people expect you to behave as if you don't."
So true
“ the people who have been broken , are more evolved “
Thats what she said that’s just false that’s a nice sounding sentence
But most of the time in real life trauma and metal illness doesn’t come hand in hand with intelligence or maturity
@@ussishkingang7194 well put
Yo film is great and all but can we take a minute to talk about your amazing profile pic
My favorite part was when he was punching out
Nah when he killed the guy in his apartment and the midget couldn't open the door. 🤣
God, shut the fuck up dude.
@@Daniel-oq7mn That scene was soooo tense... I honestly didn't know what was going to happen to the poor fella
I laughed at inappropriate times, this one was totally justified
Dani el While being a good part try to keep spoiler low the movie just came out my guy
“Are you having any bruh moments?”
“All I have are bruh moments...”
Nice
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Nice
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Todd Phillips: “This world deserves a better class of drama film. And im gonna give it to them”
*burns Jared Leto pictures *
@@zachsutton9866 good one 😂
@@zachsutton9866 The Hangover sequels as well
Chris gave this movie: A-
Which means this is a must watch!!
Don’t know that for sure he may like something you may not is there movie you like that Chris does not like will never know unless you see it
Cause Chris hates everything!
@@MayoMike10 A- is an excellent score, what are tou talking about?
@@MayoMike10 a salty comic fan who thought it deserved an A+. After Chris said it copying some things from Taxi Driver, I knew this shouldn't deserve an A+
Chris is THE movie critic. He has never led me astray. I trust him and his judgements.
I was on set as an extra, he smoked so much it was crazy! We all were literally in disbelief & jokingly concerned for his health, hahh, Also he was very skinny and super physical. He did a lot of running! He looked exhausted. Filming the riots scenes were pretty intense. Such a crazy experience 🤡
Cool!
Woah must have had a blast
Psh bullshit u were no extra!
Haters be Hating!!
Ewan T u wanna talk to JP? We hanging out rt now
Just saw this film..
This film doesn’t revolve around Phoenix
In fact, its The Master that circles around this film..
Joaquin Phoenix with an oscar worthy performance yet again...I hope he finally wins one, just like Leo and Oldman
@Mohd Amerul Aidil The Revenant
Just gotta say, love your profile icon.
@Mohd Amerul Aidil oh man! You've been living under a rock!
@Vachan he is gonna win an Oscar!!... I'm sure he will..
@@K5to9X it's Radiohead
Who else wants a scarecrow movie, like a joker 2019 esc. character study of Jonathan crane would be so disturbing. Starting out with the trauma of his grand mother putting crow attractor on him and locking him in an abandoned church as the crows pecked. But when he was a teen standing up for himself, by rubbing on a bully's eyes making the crows blind him (this all happened) and terrifying his grandmother and finally getting an apartment of his own. Becoming fascinating by fear, starving himself, going into psychology saying secret things to patients to trigger there deep down fears. You could have him try frequencies to give fear. Eventually becoming a professor, and during the job he develops the fear toxin, and the fear injector needle glove thing, and injecting himself making him immune to fear itself. Eventually something happens that makes him inject someone with it, regretting it at first, but realizing after how good it felt, to make an impact like that to someone else, to be someone. To turn his torment on them. He gets fired as a professor for firing a gun in glass as a demonstration on what makes fear. Than gets framed for bad stuff the rest of the staff did (he never got framed for the staff in comics, I just think it might work), and before almost being taken to black gate for the false accusations. He snaps, he finishes the injector, makes the suit. And when police bust down his door he appears from the corner behind it, and injects them, and goes on a rampage releasing true terror on the few unlucky streets, turning into the scarecrow.
Hell yeah
When people say this movie is doing more harm than it’s worth:
“Well... what happened? Did your balls drop off?”
Right, but should you be The Joker? He's...he's the bad guy...
The movie causes you to have "sympathy for the devil" - This didn't just take place in some make believe universe, this was an honest portrayal of present day society. There are plenty of people who are in a position similar to that of the main character, who literally have nothing to live for and are too aware and sensitive for their own good. They see the world as a cruel and evil place and a film like this has the potential to influence those kind of people into acts of violence. The Joker is actually glorified as a god among men for murdering people by the end of this film. Just because you have a strong grip on your reality, doesn't mean you should assume that other people do. I can guarantee you that there are now people sympathizing with school shooters and the Batman theater shooter after having seen this film. And on a side note, the movie also encourages revolution through violence, which is the MOST damaging message. It's a tyranical government's dream to have people rise up with violence, so they can strike them down with advanced militarization and usher in a whole new system of intense oppression.
With all that being said, I hadn't heard any reviews prior to watching this movie, and these were my honest thoughts after seeing it. I thought the movie was amazing and set the bar to an unattainable level in regards to portraying the joker.
@@anthonyvaldes1021 And why should a film have a responsibility to tell us how to think? Should we be manipulated into being useful tools? I don't agree with your conclusion at all, by the way America came about from violent revolution. Modern Day France as well. Perhaps you should reflect more upon your view of reality and not be so set in stone.
ENOUGH!..FROM THE CLOWN!!
D'Juan Joseph Gamble!!
He made this review just so he could do a Heath Ledger impression.
Lol
Salman K F
5 Star Movie Hai 😎😎🔥 Ye Nahi Dekha to Zindagi Bekar Samjho 🤭🤫 and you this in STREAMFLIXPRO you loved
I think so😂😂😂
Salman gaming nigga what
All I can say is lmfao.
He gave it a good time no laughing gas required.
Jeremy Jahns?
"That's how it starts. The fever, the rage, the feeling of powerlessness... that turns good men... cruel."
Yes it's from BVS but i think it's quite apt for joker.
His Joker and Batman impression was actually good lmao
I think Joker impression was little bit to crazy. No pun intended
Bale's batman voice must be retired, here's to hoping they keep the altered bat voice from BvS for the Pattison movie, and forget everything else from that flick
7:09 , Lol
@@brandonkylemarks Except that Batmobile. They can keep that lol
Chris thinks Ledgers joker is the definitive edition of the character. Which is bullshit.
In the comics : Joker kills .
In the tv shows : the Joker kills .
Search online and as it describes the Joker that he is a villain who kills , steals and an abuser .... Even called sociopathic.
In the movie Joker : The Joker kills .
People : *surprised pikachu face*
you forgot to put idiot at the beginning of people part
Im the joka baby
His killing in the movie is personal which is injustice to the character itself
Weak af 😂😂😂
@@Kingslayer205y it looks like this movie is taken from the killing joke where he was a failed comedian.
Plus, he's known to lie about his past, and given how cryptic the ending is, certain events of this movie may not even have happened at all(or in his own delusional vision), maybe he really did kill those innocent people for no good reason
The bathroom scene where he had his awaking was freaking epic!!!
Yes!
5 Star Movie Hai 😎😎🔥 Ye Nahi Dekha to Zindagi Bekar Samjho 🤭🤫 and you this in STREAMFLIXPRO you loved
No it wasn't
It wasn't epic. It was sad but beautiful.
Wich one? There was many bathroom scenes
"Random quote from Joker to score virtual likes to fill my empty life"
“Making a self aware comment to prove I’m better than everyone else”
"Highlighting common comment trends to score virtual likes, to fill my also empty life"
Haha so fucking funny. Such an original joke
"Adding needles comment to the thread so i feel included in something"
"I sat around with my friends and talked about it for like 2 hours."
Wow, must be nice to have friends.
Fuck off
@@declanmcnicholl4347 that's what people say to him when he asks them if they want to be his friend.... fuck u declan
Declan Mcnicholl Y? Declan, fuck off bish
@@declanmcnicholl4347 fuck off declan
@@declanmcnicholl4347 hey fuck off
I was so uncomfortable the whole time seeing Arthur laugh or live his life, he was only a shell and living life like we all do, in a repeating circle of nothingness. But when he turned into the Joker I felt relieved, not because I sympathize with him or understand his motives( which I can to be honest) but because he truly does what he wants, he feels confident and for the first time in his life he feels happy. It was a truly beautiful thing to see. However, that does not mean that what the Joker did is an option we should consider. We can sympathize with his struggles, because everyone had hard times in their lifes, of course we understand, but when he kills his mother, it's not solely because he feels angry or betrayed, it's because he sees no use for her. That's not something anyone could easily understand. And you are right, the Joker is a violent person. He himself cares about nothing, he just wants to wreak havoc. He feels comfortable, seen, understood in chaos. I was truly uncomfortable and scared of him, he was like a rabid dog, ready to strike at any moment. Even if we sympathize, it's hard not to be scared.
rabid, not rapid° Excellent points, though!
That was hard to watch, when he smothered her, but I don't think it's merely because he no longer had a use for her, rather I think he systematically tried to erase anyone who had harmed him, and he visited her right after rediscovering his formerly repressed trauma resulting from abuse and her neglect // he felt she had horribly betrayed him by failing to act when he was being abused, that's why he tells her that even though she always said he had a condition, the truth about why he was so mentally ill was much more sinister... So the last scene featuring her, was a sort of liberation and ironically, a sort of twisted fresh start for him. As much as he does embody the anarchist persona, it still feeds more off of his pain rather than just off of a desire to wreak havoc, which is why he's kind of seen as a protagonist in the end...
Right? Especially when he was going on stage as a standup comedian in front of the girl he loves. Whenever he was laughing uncontrollably, I was sitting there, cringing, laying far back in my seat, hiding behind my fingers hoping something good happens. I like how I really sided with Arthur at the end, but at the start I was uneasy with how he was. After I understood what he was going through and how he's condition made it really hard, I understood and I sympathize with him. I also love how bad everything is going, and he still manages to have some great moments. Somebody cares for him, he meets a girl and she thinks a lot like him, he kisses two ladies, he becomes a standup comedian, he stars in the late night show, he always has the last laugh on the ones who don't like him, he becomes a symbol for the poor and oppressed and he just becomes more and more confident. Loved this film A+
I was very much afraid when watching the movie...
It scared me to the core and filled me with fear, which I don’t understand why but in the end I do empathised with Arthur. I think why this movie is a major success it’s because it hits right at home, with society that gets crazier and crazier, and people treating each other colder and colder, kinda like the madness that Gotham has descended into 😕
The first half of that comment seemed like you were about to commit mass murder, but then the last half of that comment offered some pretty poignant, thoughtful analysis. Well done.
“What did you think he was gonna do? Tickle people to death?”
Me: looks at laughing gas “I mean...kinda?”
HAHAHAHAAH
Didn't he poison people with smiling fish?
@@katherinealvarez9216 lmao I remember those fish with the teeth
Joker portrays “graphically” what a lot of people, it not most, want to pretend they don’t see in today’s society.
This film wouldn’t have gotten the controversy it has gotten only a few years ago. We’ve become a society that wants to pretend the problems of this world don’t exist, and mental health is among the few things that we should be paying attention to the most.
Personally, I think this movie was fantastic and the media wants to demonize real world problems portrayed in film.
That's a bunch of bullshit because today awareness of mental problems is much more present than before.
Very well put , i like how ignorance of today's society was uncovered through this movie. Contrary to people calling it disturbing , I felt so so relaxed after watching this film. Violence was less important aspect of it , most importantly it shows that everything has a consequence and you can be so much ignorant till chaos charges against you .
Joker : i got a joke for you!
Rotten tomatoes : what is it?
Joker : you won't get it
.....(tomato juice feet prints)
Brilliant!
Wait.
But they gave it a good score.
I dont get it.
@@jari32 68% its not good
They gave ghostbusters 2016 (the shitty feminist one) 74%
Rotten Tomatoes is a JOKE
@@TheRaziel07
I dont think you know how critic reviews on RT work. RT is not a rating site for critics. RT just acculamates different reviews and from publications and movie critic sites and put them on RT.
If you actually go on RT and read the critic reviews and click on the full review then it directs you to a different website from where that review came from.
Meaning, 69% of Critics liked the movie. That's twice as many of those who didnt like it which was 31%. Meaning Joker is a pretty good movie.
And yeah the new Ghostbusters wasnt really bad. The only reason why you guys hated it was because it was political for you. You obviously dont like Feminism so you didnt like the movie. It's the same reason why you guys didnt like the Last Jedi and Captain Marvel because "feminism".
You know just because a movie has a feminist theme doesnt make it a bad movie. And you believing Feminism is bad doesnt make the movie bad. You actually have to use critical thinking and explain why Feminism didnt work for the film and where did it work. And critique other aspects of the movie. Just crying about Feminism makes you look like a weak pathetic tool.
@@jari32 chill out and keep your lecture for yourself
Go watch some drama and leave me alone crazy whatever you are.
During the end credits people were giving rounds of applause in my local cinema. Truly a masterpiece.
Joaquin is a legend. He took the joker and made it his own. Gladiator, Walk the line, joker.
DLS Rude boy you don’t get cool points for being against lol
Don’t forget Her. One of his very best performances.
And The Master.
@DLS Rude boy Ur funny lol
@DLS Rude boy why? You never said why
Joker gets an A+++++ from me.
Me too. When "The End" popped up, I turned to my cousin and said he's winning the Oscar for that. I'm happy to say I was right.
Really wasn’t that good.
R1ff 07 LOL!
@@R1ff07 because the good guy did not show up to save the day?
Wouter Tesselaar everyone has their opinions
6:46 That is the best definition of what the Joker “is”, that I have ever heard..
totally agreed, always found it hard to explain his character but that explanation summed it up perfectly.
It’s honestly like people have never seen A Clockwork Orange...how sad.
If they did you can be assured they'd misinterpret it and call it boring and pretentious. People are sheep and very very stupid.
@@augustwest5356 hi
or Caligula..
(though Clockwork Orange is actually good, unlike Caligula)
@@augustwest5356 Couldn't be more true mate. Respect.
Worst shit ive ever seen
You know that Joker won’t get his Oscar, cause it had some “controversy”.
Sadly I believe you are absolutely correct
The hostless Oscars probably won't even nominate him.
God you're fucking dumb. How do we vote for Hillary in 2019?
Bohemian Rhapsody had controversy and it didn’t stop Rami from getting a nomination
Brian cause he plays a gay dude and that’s what the SJW’s want
Some parts of tbe movie almost made me cry
Me too
@Glitzy Guy omg my brother we gotta make a army of us