@@davis7099 I'm very interested in what you say because I was struck by LHO's diction during an interview at the Dallas police station, after his arrest: he responds twice to a reporter: "Yes sir because I work in that building" and the slow, drawling way of saying "I work in that building" struck me: I said to myself he must have a southern accent???
Can’t help but see the resemblence between Lee and Michael both in appearance and characteristics if u cover mr paines eyes he’s very similar to the way Lee looked and acted uncanny......
You should see Roscoe White. He REALLY looks like LHO plus he was in the marines overseas with Oswald, worked for the DPD on 11/22/63, his wife, Geneva, worked for two weeks for Jack Ruby at the Carousel, Geneva's pictured with J Ruby.
We may have found our Oswald doppelganger in Mr. Michael Paine who went around Dallas prwtendi to be Lee Oswald. Add to that it was the Paines who lured Lee Oswald's pregnant wife Marina to Dallas with promises of free board and lodging, a weekly allowance, and an offer to pay her hospital expenses. Where Marina went, Lee followed.
Why in the hell would you have a conversation with a man you never knew ? How and why did he get hooked up with Lee oswald. Do not trust this man or his ex wife.
*_Young Michael Paine looked a lot like Lee Oswald. He may have played the role of Oswald before the assassination. Because before the assassination, many people using the name Oswald, each with different appearances, were seen throughout Texas._*
Who cares what you believe! Facts, proof, evidence, science, sworn testimony and sworn statements will always defeat misinformation, misdirection, half truths and outright lies of the hundreds of conspiracy theories. Checkmate!
As far as I am concerned, thats the square chin seen in the famous "backyard photos" that were supposed to be Lee holding a rifle...a rifle that has a sling on the bottom...not the side, like the one they "found"
Not the same rifle, not the same Oswald. The head in the photograph does not match the body. We can do better nowadays with computers. 1963 it was scissors and school glue.
The Aire to Bell Helicopters, one of the largest military Contractors in the Vietnam War is married to a Quaker school teacher who speaks and teaches Russian. But they are definitely not spies... Might have had the rifle in their garage for 6 months, but definitely were not spies.
@@Dr.Pepper001 And he took Oswald to both Leftist rallies and even the rallies with Gen Walker, and John Birchers. I think the CIA was not sure how they wanted to frame Oswald. Make him a right-wing nut or a left-wing nut? They obviously thought in the end that it would help the CIA and the military Industrial Complex if Oswald was a Castro Russian Sympathizer. Making Oswald just a patsy would help the cause to promote the Vietnam War against communism.
And I'm guessing Mike wished he had no part of it. But jeez he does resemble Lee, makes me wonder if he was who Roger Craig saw running into the Nash rambler... Ruth's Nash rambler.
Oswald who had done all that he had done, marksman, U2 radar man, defects to Russia, works in a radio factory, marries a KGB’s daughter, waltzes right back to USA, drives back & forth New Orleans to Dallas, squeezes in a trip or two to Mexico City, interviews on television, debates Marxism in the media, financed all this doing odd jobs… Now Paine had occasion to talk with him, when I first heard of him I looked forward with eagerness… eventually I gave up… he was not influenced by present reality… had a rather dogmatic way of thinking unintellectual, unintelligent and therefore useless to ‘uh’ talk with him. ?(useless to (us) )? Damn he right almost stepped in it there. He told me…I asked him…he told me…I asked him… turns out Michael Paine is the articulate expert on the Soviet system. With me he spoke very freely… with other people they would not talk about political subjects. Lee would talk about nothing else. Now I read that he wouldn’t talk with anybody else… so I couldn’t answer that question. ( yet he just did answer that question) I would say he positioned himself in belligerence. I was very surprised when I heard… I didn’t think he was that irrational. He mentioned Cuba briefly but that was unfamiliar to me. Then micheal Goes on to exonerate the Soviet Union and Cuba as having nothing to gain. Chalks it up to a lone nut taking an opportunity to make a name for himself…
No doubt the Cia would want to debrief Oswald about his time in the soviet union. The American govt paid for his return trip to Texas. Oswald was debriefed for the Cia by Michael Paine, geo demohnrenshildt, or at the map making job that had security clearance as they made maps for the military.
Paine's stepfather(Mr. Young)invented the Bell Helicopter and I seem to remember that his grandfather was Ralph Waldo Emerson. No one closely related to the Kennedy assassination was exactly who they were supposed to be.
Yes, look up the series of interviews city of Allen offers on jfk investigation. Roscoe white and Oswald knew each other from military service. Roscoe was in intel as was Oswald, who was confirmed to have worked for the CIA too. The CIA actually sent Oswald to Russia, he didn’t defect. Roscoe was hired by the DPD as an officer and photograph expert. He doctored the photo’s and Michael was the stand in. Oswald was set up, just like he said. The CIA and organized crime killed JFK, but DPD, Secret Service, were complicit too. LBJ knew of the conspiracy prior to as well, based on everything I have read. They claimed the act had to be done for world peace, but that obviously wasn’t true. JFK had planned to pull troops from Vietnam in 1964. After LBJ took office he accelerated the war, taking care of his war buddies. You know who they are. They are still doing it today.
I agree that he looks like Oswald a bit, but I wonder how much of that is just cultural. To people today, everyone from the fifties and sixties seems to look similar.
It is true, that in those times, people in general were more conservative in their mode of dress, and were much thinner...today, we Americans are mostly fat slobs!
I've added to my block list. My online world is a better place for being rid of someone else who is just too damn stupid to be part of serious discussions.
If Michael Paine had the intellectual curiosity to talk with Oswald about his experiences in the soviet union, dont you think the Cia would also want to talk to Oswald.? This was at the height of the cold war. The cia was opening people's mail and debriefing businesses men returning from soviet block countries. Oswald would be at the top of the Cia list of people to contact.
Some comments here are remarkably ungenerous to Michael Paine. He was a firm liberal and an ACLU member in a city and at a time where such things did not make you popular, he was in a defence-industry job, and a close acquaintance has just killed the President. Some defensiveness on his part is perfectly natural.
That is right. The Paines were not CIA or communists. Lee Oswald acted alone and no one knew Lee was going to shoot at JFK that day. Ruth Paine did think of the school.book depository as a possible place of employment for Lee.
@@dustyflair That is right. Only Lee Harvey Oswald was involved. Oswald acted alone. No investigation implements the CIA. The Warren Commission, CBS Walter Cronkite, ABC Peter Jennings, 1979 House Committee on Assassinations all concluded Oswald fired ALL the shots that struck Kennedy and Connelly with an Italian Carcano bolt action rifle which belonged to Oswald from the corner 6th floor window of the Texas School Book Depository.
@@dustyflair What investigation assign blame of Kennedy's murder on the CIA? Which one? Just saying or guessing the CIA was behind the killing of Kennedy doesn't prove a darn thing!! I can say Santa Clause shot Kennedy but it doesn't prove it. ALL THE EVIDENCE CLEARLY POINTS TO OSWALD!
so this interview was conducted on 24 Nov 1963? that’s the day LHO was shot and killed by Ruby. I wonder if the interviewer and the interviewee knew he was dead 💀🤷♀️ and that they were speaking about a man who had just been murdered
Yes, if you watch the RUTH Paine interview appearing to have been conducted on the same day, and on the SAME couch, she (RUTH) makes mention of Oswald being killed (by Ruby)
@@2A-Bear-Arms if you had only met him once, let's say at a shooting range or used car lot, and then some Feds showed up at your door weeks later with a pic of Oswald... done deal, baby!
@@ryanwilliams6206 Certainly Michael Payne had an ivy league college education, while LHO barely got his GED. Michael Payne was born rich. LHO was born poor.
@@ryanwilliams6206. Oswald had a pretty high-security clearance to be a radar operator, and he was part of the tracking of U2 flights. Something is clearly wrong with a lot of the story about Oswald.
So his wife Ruth drove Lee Harvey Oswald and his wife from Dallas to New Orleans just so they could live there for about 4 months, enough time for Lee Harvey Oswald to use former FBI Chicago chief Guy Bannisters office for his base to pass out "Fair Play for Cuba" flyers, be seen doing so, and go on TV to talk in support of Communism? Then after those few four months Lee Harvey Oswald and his wife return to Dallas where Michael Paines wife Ruth is told about a job at the Book Depository and tells Lee Harvey Oswald? Who according to this guy just so happens to be storing the shitty rifle that he was seen in the shitty pictures with at this guys house? And Lee Harvey Oswald according to this guy just so happened to of slept at this guys house the night before the assassination and left in the morning with the rifle? Does something feel off here? All of them were in on it and he made that stuff up after their sheepdipped teammate Oswald was thrown under the bus at the last minute? Why go to Nola for only 4 months working out of Guy Bannisters office? Why so short of a time?
Sort of. Ruth Paine was a naive, educated Quaker charity lady, who promised God that she would learn Russian so that she could be useful in the Cold War. Her real focus wasn't LHO -- it was Marina Oswald, her new (inexpensive) Russian conversational teacher. She knew Marina was pregnant before the Walker shooting. Michael Paine was perhaps 10 years older than LHO, and came from a rich family who loved him, and got him his sweet job at Bell Helicopter. (His step father invented the machine). Michael was well-educated and knew Marxism like the back of his hand, because his biological father lived in Los Angeles as part of a Trotsky Communist party. Michael didn't favor Marxism, but he learned all about it from his dad and the many conventions his dad held in his large house in L.A. What LHO liked was to talk with people who knew a lot about politics from the perspective of Marxism. LHO was drawn to Michael Paine like a moth to a flame. Ruth was drawn to Marina Oswald on two counts: (1) authentic Russian conversation; and (2) baby care issues, e.g., women's issues, and getting the right medical attention for Marina's pregnancy, since LHO was out of a job again (which was a frequent status with him). In that first visit staring in Aprill 24 to May 11, 1963, Ruth Paine had Marina Oswald in her home for only 18 days. Then LHO called Ruth and said he had a job and an apartment in NOLA, so bring Marina and baby June to NOLA, as she had promised. So, Ruth drove Marina and baby June to NOLA for their reunion with LHO. Ruth Paine would have kept Marina in her house for the rest of the year -- but neither LHO nor Marina wanted that. In NOLA, for a five month period (May - Sep) LHO did hang with Guy Banister and all Banister's friends in NOLA, as part of the right-wing paramilitary cadre that vowed to assassinate Fidel Castro. That's where LHO met Gerry Patrick Hemming, Loran Hall, and many other anti-Castro players (c.f. Joan Mellen). What most historians miss, IMO, is the portrait given by Dr. Jeff Caufield (20154) demonstrating that General Walker and Guy Banister would; cooperate. Both were local politicians. Both ran for office in their State. Both were ranking members of the John Birch Society. Both were ranking officers in the Minutemen of their cities. LHO's original crime was that he shot at General Walker. LHO was identified at the shooter only *days* after that shooting, said General Walker. Walker evidently told his influential friends, who probably identified David Ferrie. He was leader of a NOLA youth platoon in which a teenage LHO was a membe. A plot to frame LHO as a Communist agitator began the day that he moved to NOLA (only two weeks after his shooting at General Walker). Guy Banister wanted LHO to whack Fidel with a team inside Havana (the reason why LHO was groomed as a secretary of a FAKE FPCC branch in NOLA). LHO struggled to get into Cuba from Mexico City in a major hurry). Banister successfully made this former Marine appear to be a well-known Communist agitator in newspaper clippings, film clippings, radio debates and TV debates. LHO became totally framed as a Red so he was ripe as a patsy, just in case anyone urgently needed to blame the Communists for anything. Ruth and Marina had maintained their mail correpondence during this period, and near the end Marina told Ruth the truth -- LHO was laid off by the Reily Coffee Company way back in July! Marina had received NO medical attention in NOLA, and the Oswalds had no health insurance. Ruth drove to NOLA from her East Coast vacation on September 20th -- and sure enough LHO was unemployed again and Marina was eight months pregnant and in need of medical care. Ruth saved the day. She drove Marina and baby June back to her home in Irving, TX on September 23, 1963. Marina lived there as Ruth Paine gave blood at the to get Marina some medical care and a place to give birth. Baby Rachel was born on October 20th. Ruth Paine's main concern at that time was child care for her two babies -- getting Marina further post-partum medical care, and helping Marina take care of her own two babies. That was a full time job, as many mothers will attest. Ruth Paine was completely ignorant of any plot to kill JFK -- of any kind. LHO and Marina lied to Ruth about keeping his rifle in her garage, along with virtually ALL of the Oswald possessions. Yet despite her selfless Quaker giving to Marina, many have accused her of being part of either a Communist plot to kill JFK, or a CIA plot to kill JFK. (For General Walker and the Birchers, the CIA was a hotbed of Communism). Yet Ruth was questioned more than any other Warren Commission witness, and gave more interviews afterwards than anyone else.
@@pauledwardtrejo6903 the paines were babysitters. They had no clue , compartmentalized assets. Bell helicopter a major Texas defense contractor was subject to having to be cleared by fbi. A known Marxist pro Castro activists belonging to FPFCC known on the subversive watch list by the fbi, hanging out with Michael Paine of bell helicopter. And they visited ACLU and John bircher lectures. Walker visited HL Hunts office for literature and probably support. No question walker, Bannister, were part of the minutemen.
@@larrywheels762 I agree with 90% of this. I don't believe the Paine's had ANY official role with Oswald. Ruth Paine was (and remains) a Quaker lady. She didn't take Lee Oswald into her home -- she took Marina Oswald into her home because Marina was 8 months pregnant and had no insurance (and Lee Oswald was out of work again). Michael wanted to support Ruth in any way he could -- even though they were separated. He testified that Ruth spent less money when Marina was around. After Marina had her baby (Ruth testified to the WC) she would have to move out of Ruth's house by January 1964, because Ruth's mother was coming to stay with Ruth that winter. The FBI dropped the ball, for sure -- but I lay the blame squarely on the shoulders of the Dallas branch of the FBI -- specifically. James Hosty knew far more about Lee Oswald than he testified to the WC. It was his job to send all reports to Washington DC, but he *deliberately* dropped that ball. Another Dallas official to *deliberately* drop the ball was Dallas Secret Service agent Forrest Sorrels. Along with the Dallas FBI, Forrest was supposed to keep the Secret Service in Washington DC fully informed about dangerous people in Dallas -- and fully informed about the dangers of the Dealey Plaza motorcade route.
@Lucky the Lemur: Among the many things you have wrong: Oswald used the address 544 Camp St. in New Orleans on only *_some_* of the FPCC leaflets that he passed out in the streets. He also used his home address and his P.O. box. Besides, 544 Camp St. contained other businesses besides Bannister's office (located in the same building but on neighboring Lafayette St.).The problem for conspiracy peddlers is that no one had ever seen Oswald at or inside the building, nor had any credible witness ever seen Oswald and Bannister *_together_* .
@@pauledwardtrejo6903 rubbish! Did you read the Warren Report of Ruth? It states George de Morschild dropped Lee and Marina off at Everette Glovers...where they met.... so theirs your cia connection. Then Ruth ask for lees Oswald work phone. Who does that? Can you take calls at work in 1963 about cancellations of a party she was going to attend? It doesn't make sense cause it's lies to cover up. It takes a high school education to understand how Ruth was the conspiracy. In 2022 it's a little ridiculous to pretend Ruth was an instigator. hi That's good old fake news talking. Paul the guy is dead by murder the day this is taken and dispute Lee Oswald looking exactly like Michael (except I'd presume Lee was slightly bigger) Ruth has the nerve to call him little. Ruth is a bitter divorce in Nov 1963. Her hate for her husband and hate for Lee is very obvious. Hence the separate interviews. Loving Quaker? Try literally the one going out of her way to frame Lee. The picture to Life/Time came directly from Ruth. The suicide letter (that Ruth most likely wrote herself) came from Ruth. Lee called for a lawyer and Ruth didn't help instead got in between Lee and his mom and Marina. Ruth wasn't having marina over she was traveling somehow without a job and with two kids. Ruth is an obvious liar... as is Michael Paine. If Ruth half of what she claims Marina and her would be friends shes not Euth has continued curios behavior. Also it's an insult to 2022 that Ruth is a loving Quaker. She's a manipulative rat loving ladies don't talk so venomous. Ruth Paine has zero love in her words, in her actions. All I hear is hatred, before during and after.
Michael Paine could have been the man who Roger Craig saw running down the knoll and getting into the Rambler, however Mr. Paine was at work 11/2 hours away I believe. he sure resembles Oswald.
Oswald apparently tried to give up Ruth Paine in my opinion. Roger Craig walked into the DPD office where Oswald was seated before his interrogation. If you'll remember Craig, who as a police detective I suspect would be good identifying makes of vehicles, said that it was a Rambler wagon. Oswald said.. "That was Mrs Paines car.. don't get her mixed up in this!" Now according to pictures published, Ruth is supposed to have a Chevy Belair wagon.. The Rambler has a very distinct slanted design to the rear passengers outside pillars so it's very hard to make that mistake, one for the other, even though they had other similarities. I have examined a color photo of Ruth Paine leaning against what appears to be a 55 Chevy Belair wagon holding a child, having a candid photo with the child having been taken by someone while in her drive way with the car. I have found some stuff which makes me believe that it is an altered photo, possibly with Ruth Paine added in. There is also a problem with the front bumper of the car. It has been literally drawn in. I believe the reason for that is obvious. There would have been a reflection on that bumper showing either Paine and or the person who was taking the photograph. That has been replaced by the horrible drawing of the bumper.. Also for a candid photo showing off your kid you usually don't have your kid purposely turn with his head in the oppostie direction from the camera so that he can't be identified.. Very strange.. Ruth didn't have to be there. It was likely other Agents using her car..
END TIMEs Video Library Didn’t Roger Craig first find the Mauser rifle in the depository before someone found the Carcano? I think it was the same guy. Never changed his story. Even after a car bombing and a shooting. Right up until his mysterious suicide. Strange. I have not heard about the car but that’s my next rabbit hole.
Roger Craig repeatedly testified that the driver of that Rambler had skin of such a dark complexion that Craig believed the driver could have been a Black man -- or a very dark complected Cuban. Michael Paine, however, had quite a pale complexion.
Strange that Micheal Paine strongly resembled Lee Harvey Oswald. Could he have been one of Oswald’s doubles going around Dallas impersonating him in the days and weeks leading up to the Assassination?
Yes, Paine was confirmed to be affiliated with the CIA as well as his wife Ruth. It’s possible that he was actually the shooter of JD Tippett to frame Oswald.
Facially there is a resemblance, but Michael Paine was a rather tall man and Lee Oswald was at the most 5'8" and much more muscularly built especially the lower half of his body. Paine was tall and lanky so that was very easily noticed as a great difference between the 2 men. Also, Paine looked like the 10 years or more older than Lee that he was so there's another big difference. No way could he have pulled off being a replacement for Oswald. But, isn't it obvious that what Paine is saying is the truth? He's clearly being as honest as can be. He does not seem to have anything to hide and what he says adds up as to the psychology of a person and what his ideology is.
I have often wondered as to why he and Ruth got divorced...both were obviously very intelligent, politically aware, etc...both were moderately attractive too...They seemed a good match....Ruth actually seemed to be perhaps attracted to Marina...she expressed her love for Marina in a couple of letters she sent her, and always told her she would be welcome back to living with her whenever she wanted. Marina, after the assassination, became cold towards Ruth, and stopped communicating with her. Ruth indicated in later interviews that she was kind of hurt by that situation.
Ruth was Lesbian Mark Groubert states she wrote many many love letters to Maria Oswald...both Michael and Ruth were CIA...they stayed together untill their work was finished then divorced... interesting is the Nicaraguan government kicked Ruth Payne out of their country because they knew that she was CIA in '82
Fact they lived in the working poor to middle middle-class neighborhood and the rich he worked for Bill helicopter and the family had a big box eastern money and if you knew more about or how they’re connected to the CIA guy that John Foster Dulles when I’m related to him and when she picked up the marina down in Louisiana she was in Washington she did a road trip her sister is a psychologist for the central intelligence agency and that amazing
That's the problem: They were more like brother and sister than husband and wife and that is a very difficult way to live a married life. They remained close their whole life.
This man is an absolute dead ringer for my uncle Terry. Funny thing is, when I asked where he was when he heard Kennedy got shot, he claimed he couldn't remember.
Maybe your Uncle Terry was with Richard Nixon; Tricky Dick said he couldn't remember either, even though he was in Dallas at a bottlers convention. A number of Dealey Plaza witnesses reported seeing at least two men in the window, though at intervals. Maybe it was "Uncle Terry" and Dick. I was just a 12 year old kid on November 22, and can vividly remember where I was, who I was with, and exactly what I did that entire weekend. I couldn't tell you exactly what I did ten weekends ago ,but I remember the weekend of 22 as though it were yesterday.
It took a while but he reminds me very much of Mary Surratt's dweeby pinhead of a son who couldn't run away far or fast enough; 1st to be with Papal Zouaves and then to the Khedive of Egypt. With friends like the Paines and DeMorenschildts who needs enemies?
Eye shift down to the right indicates imagination. Licking lips and pursing lips telling lies. Lowered brow, eyes angled up bullying forceful agreement from interviewer... He's a terrible liar.
See how Michael keeps licking his lips as he talks! You will notice LHO does the same thing in a radio interview and sounds very similar to MP. There is something fishy with LHO and MP!
I find Michael Paine to be just as credible as Ruth Paine. And since Ruth Paine has zero credibility, I think you can mathematically figure out what Michael Paine's level of credibility is.
@@ENDTIMEsVideoLibrary Michael Paine's wise words at 7:09 should serve as the beginning of a sobering rehabilitation for those who foolishly and naively wallow in the bizarre world of baseless JFK assassination theories.
@@ChuckRosseel I guess because you said so and are All Knowledgeable we can just ignore that the doctors and nurses who were reknowned for their reputation for treating Gun Shot Victims in Dallas with one of the highest records for Gun Violence at the time, when they put in their Emergency Room Report that appeared in the Warren Commision that JFK had a large Fist Sized Blowout in the Right Rear Occipital Periatal region of his head, a bullet entrance wound in the throat and a bullet entrance wound above the Right Temple!! I guess Oswald not only had Magic Bullets.. He must have had Laser Guided Smart Bullets!! You people who like to make up Fables and ignore witnesseses and evidence are a Joke!! I hope you use your expensive Clown Outfits to make yourselves some cash throughout the year to recoup the costs!! lol!!
Michael Paine and Oswald were in fact twin brothers . Paine swapped jobs with his brother so he could watch the parade. Jack Ruby ( not his real name and an NKVD agent ) shot the wrong person as he mistook one of the bros for a KKK . And that's why Mrs Paine lived til 97 years.
THEY ARE STILL COVERING FOR THE PAINES. now, they are saying, they owned a 55 Chevy. THEY HAD A RAMBLER, IT WAS SEEN PEELING OUT OF THE BAVK OF THE SBD BAVK PARKING LOT EMEADIETLY AFTER THE SHOOTING. CIA,CIA,CIA,CIA,CIA.
I see no link between Michael, Ruth, and the CIA. What strikes me is that Michael shows that he spoke with LHO at great length on political matters. We didn't get this impression in his sworn Warren Commission testimony. Clearly Michael wished to minimize his relationship with LHO here and to the WC, but here we see their deeper conversation.
@@mariahyohannes That's because there IS NO LINK. Just because Ruth Paine's sister worked for the CIA does not, under any circumstances, prove (or even suggest) that Ruth Paine HERSELF worked for the CIA. Writers like James DiEugenio say there's a link simply because they're accustomed to JUMPING TO CONCLUSIONS.
@@dustyflair According to Michael Paine's own testimony, he saw Oswald at Ruth's home most weekends in October and November. When they did talk, they talked about politics, said Marina. Also, Michael drove LHO to downtown Dallas at least twice, to attend political events of the Friends of Walker planning the assault on Adlai Stevenson in late October, and attending an ACLU event in which Oswald gave the group a brief report of that planning event. Both these events were weekday, not weekend events. They talked a lot -- mainly about General Walker, evidently.
Can't get over how much Michael Paine looks like Oswald. IF you were looking for a fake Oswald to step in when needed, say at the car lot for a test drive, or at the shooting range to argue with the others practicing there who would be better than Michael Paine? Say maybe representing himself as Oswald? "Wasn't able to find work?" He was working at a top secret mapping company that Required special security clearance. Michael Paine is completely bullsh*tting this interviewer. He is the aire to the largest Vietnam War military company that would get paid billions of dollars for thousands of Bell Helicopters. "I thought he was not connected with any other group." Uh yeah. He probably had his hands full with being connected to the CIA like Michael and Ruth and George De Morenshcildt.
@@dab. His job before the Book Depository was working for Jaggar Childs Stoval. They did mapping for the U.S. Military and they specialized in Cuba. Oswald had worked in a top secret Japanese Airbase tracking the U2 Spy Plane. He would be suited for a job like that except that he supposedly had defected. He could NEVER have gotten a job like that. He would never have been able to the secure a job like that and yet he did. It means his records must have been scrubbed.
@@DavidArbuckle-sc8zc Oswald briefly worked as a trainee typesetter but was fired 7 months before the assassination. JCS did undertake typesetting for military mapping but Oswald had no access to that, nor did he have any "special security clearance". You can look up Stovall's testimony to the Warren Commission.
@@DavidArbuckle-sc8zc Then I don't understand what point you are trying to make. You said Oswald was working a job which required security clearance, but that is not correct. Oswald was working in a job which did not require security clearance and therefore did not have security clearance.
For all the bad mouthing the Paines receive Michael is talking total sense and summed up Lee to a T. He is surprised Oswald would do it and he would be right according to LHO alibis
@@mathewmcdonald3657 He's just thoughtful about what he is saying. Wants to respect the interview and offer well considered responses. Unlike how most folks speak today, sadly!
Oswald was a sad misfit, who had a tortuous family upbringing. Being shifted around so many schools and without a father figure to guide him, but only an eccentric mother, who was also detached from reality, the boy became a recluse, and sought comfort in watching films and TV. His life was one of being constantly on the move, constantly looking for a nirvana but never finding it. His inner torture led him to blame capitalism for his situation, finding solace in Marxism to explain his own personal failings. By 1963 his married life had gone from bad to worse. Sadly, he never took responsibility for his actions but blamed others. Thus we have the mindset of a man who struck out in any way he could to punish those who had been responsible for his own lack of social status. The killing of Kennedy was brutal and senseless. But Oswald no longer thought in a rational way. He was in the grip of his emotions. Oswald slipped under the radar when he was a young boy and no one was there to rescue his childhood which was stolen from him. He built his life on a fantasy, which is a lethal cocktail and ultimately led to the tragedy of November 22nd 1963.
He seemed to have a lot of financial means for a lonely loser who couldn't keep a job, don't you think? I mean heading off to Russia, Mexico, Dallas, New Orleans then back to Dallas.. Working for High Security Spy Photography places like Jaggars-Chiles-Stovall, getting Radio Interviews when he was the only member of his supposed Pro Cuban Anti- American policy group. Working directly across the street and within the same community as all of the Intelligence Agency Offices while in New Orleans working for FBI man Guy Bannister. Coming back into the US during the Cold War after getting an emergency passport and flying back courtesy the US Military after trying to renounce his citizenship and give the Russians Radar secrets.. almost like he was an Agent Asset for the CIA or somethin.. Use your brain.. It won't hurt too much.. I promise.
@@ENDTIMEsVideoLibrary I shall ignore your personal insults as they demean you and your own views. I have put forward an honest analysis of Oswald to explain Oswald’s pattern of irrational behaviour. It’s interesting to observe that you haven’t essentially challenged my analysis but instead have hinted that he had financial backing and that he was part of an intelligence organisation. You offer no tangible evidence as to these claims but instead choose to denigrate my analysis by cobbling together a few assumptions! Please endeavour to think more critically when trying to articulate an alternative viewpoint. Your college report would read: “Great scope for improvement.”
@@geoffm9944 Okay, so I digressed.. I apologize. The problem is your analysis appears to be based soley on what the government has said about the case and does not consider that the wonderful governement may possibly be lying to cover up a murder of a president with it's perpetrators some still alive, trying to avoid the death penalty or prison. There are so many facts supporting this Oswald would have surely gotten off on the charges and that's why they had to silence him . He was.. as he said a true Patsy. He was an Agent Asset for both the CIA and the FBI and had a 201 employee file with the CIA.. It takes a lot of research but if you're gonna make an analysis of a man who cannot defend himself and only what's left of his honor remains.. isn't he owed at least that?? Besides he was never convicted in a court of law. He was robbed of that right.
@@ENDTIMEsVideoLibrary I believe you're on the right track but I doubt that he was a CIA asset when he went to the USSR but wanted to part of something that he considered would be just to him and recognize his greatness, when this didn't happen he became disillusioned and eventually returned with Marina to the US. And its on his return that the CIA started to watch him and used the Paine's to watch him. It's as well to remember that when someone like Oswald becomes disillusioned then they turn against the thing they once idealized, in short he became an anti communist and adopted an opposite ideology probably under the influence of the White Russian De Mohrenschildt and then on to Guy Bannister etc.
@@ENDTIMEsVideoLibrary I often point a lot of things like this out, myself. LHO seems to pop up in the most interesting of places and have contact with interesting people. Lastly. He shots at an Army MGen and misses shortly before he kills a Police officer with a pistol never mentioned before that time. But he did shoot at the General with the same rifle that killed JFK. Later he kills JFK, not when the limo is right under the window LHO supposedly shot from but much farther away at a much harder distance and angle. LHO also seems to linger at the Texas Book Depository afterward; that's odd.
This topic is vast, so many avenues and probabilities. However, I've always learned to the side of conspiracy based on many of this aspects mentioned below....Craig rogers, Oswald's past, the Zp film, both autopsies, the anti Castro Cubans, the mob, mark lane etc and some extent some persisting questions about Ruth Paine. I knew she had a husband, but didn't know he discussed Oswald on film. He came a across as a highly intelligent man, very sharp and measured in his explanations. Could be a master handler and manipulator - absolutely. Could he be telling the truth - sure. But he is slick city! Read Marina Oswald's evidence to the WC last night and I was very surprised how condemning it was of her husband. It seemed clear from that who could have done it and why. Could it be as simple as LHC did it for no particular or significant reason. Maybe we will never know.
Oswald had tried to kill General Walker because he was very Right Wing and had a lot of sway. He narrowly missed him, really by a hair he missed killing the general in his own home. And, there is so much supporting evidence of that being true so we know that he had that in him and that he could be brought to that. Oswald had become so obsessed with going to Cuba as he viewed Castro's version of Communism as much more to his ideology than he found Russia to be. Kennedy had set up the Cuban nationals to kill Castro, but they failed and that could have been on O's mind. Guy was not wired very well, so he thought about things differently than most other Americans , that's for sure.
Something is wrong with that picture. It looks more like the Paine's both help LHO be able to do the things he did and go where he needed to go. They look more like handlers than Quakers concerned about the Oswald children.
Michael Paine also met students near SMU in Dallas and discussed Pro-Cuba sympathies and had file cabinets in his garage with information on the Fair Play for Cuba Commitee, and on, and on..... Oh, his wife who was a liberal Quaker ended up involved in the Iran-Contra affair under the Reagan Administration.
One of the best ever interviews I've seen about LHO. Michael Paine was very thoughtful in his responses and gave informative and relevant information and there seemed nothing false or shadowy about anything he said. Best, best ever!! Thank you, Mr. Paine. RIP.
Michael Paine doesn't really look like LHO the only thing they have in common is that they are choppy, pale, with a top in front but they don't look alike at all
Some of the comments on here border on the insane. Some people can't accept that Oswald pulled it off by himself, no doubt that's how he was able to do it, as nobody could rat him out.
I could accept it--if defeating security was more than telling your ride to work your weapon was curtain rods, if they didn't have to make up a bullet path, if he hadn't been killed 2 days later, if he could eliminate witnesses from beyond the grave that could say it happened differently because he wanted the publicity, etc. etc.
@@AMC2283 well it seems like Oswald had Magic Bullets and a Magic Wallet why can't anything else be Magic. I mean I'm guessing that the witnesses were Magically Silenced by murdering them and the Zapruder Film was Magically altered too. The 1960s were just a crazy Magical time!! That's a perfect explanation don't you think??! Okay maybe not...
@@AMC2283 I was really being sarcastic but I do believe also that the Elites are into Satanism and Witchcraft and cast spells through their witchcraft on the unsuspecting public.. God himself is the only true protection over the devil and his demons and that's who is ultimately behind the orders for the Globalist Cabals who pull off these events. including the Fake Pandemic..
@@AMC2283 One overblown pathetic concoction, eh? Oswald did not fire the fatal close range direct side shot that blew the skull off JFK from behind the fence @ the Grassy Knoll @ a location 300' behind so now you know he was not guilty no matter how hard they tried to grossly manipulate the facts.
@@edwardanthony7283 Yes, but the US Government agreed that for National Security they must manipulate the evidence to prove that Lee Harvey Oswald had NO ACCOMPLICES anywhere at all. He was now the "Lone Nut" -- even though history shows he had lots of companions in New Orleans as all as in Dallas. Well, these were the Cold War times -- so any evidence that LHO had accomplices could have started riots between left-and-right wings in the US. Or, it could have tempted the Soviets to make a hostile move. National Security was to blame for all the Government lies staring on November 22, 1963. But the Soviets collapsed in 1991. We haven't had a Cold War for 30 years. We should demand to see the documents withheld by Chief Justice Earl Warren that are still being withheld. Only the honest TRUTH can heal our nation.
@@pauledwardtrejo6903 I agree it was complicated & from many different avenues including the Kennedy family wanting quick closure but the truth did not prevail through the muck of manipulation as many of us are & have been well aware of. Oswald definitely did not fire the close range kill shots at the limo near the Grassy Knoll & I'm sure many higher ups knew it right from the get go. Did Oswald fire shots? It ranges from possible to doubtful with no fingerprint proof found & like he said at the precinct: "I didn't kill anybody". I was 5 @ the time & all I ever heard was Oswald's a Patsy who was permanently silenced & after watching the Zapruder tape it proved to me beyond a doubt it was a close range side shot from the some where near the Knoll grounds that blew the skull off JFK, not a manipulated trajectory angle shot from 300' away!
@@edwardanthony7283 Although Oswald might have been at the 2nd floor cafeteria finishing his soft drink, he was STILL an accomplice to the JFK assassination, because Oswald had handed his rifle to a trusted accomplice standing near the rear entrance of the TSBD, early that morning. Marina confirmed that the rifle was HIS -- so Oswald was clearly *involved.* At the very least, Oswald knew *exactly* who really killed JFK. Yet his lips were sealed because he STILL trusted his many accomplices -- to the very end.
Only two days after the assassination and the spin is completely on “the lone wolf”.
Such a narrative maker ..
Pos
Yes the similarities between Mr Paine and Lee Oswald are very striking.
@@davis7099 THEY LOOK JUST ALIKE CAPT OBVIOUS...what are you talking about the way he talks....OPEN YOUR EYES
... and superficial and meaningless.
hahahah in your mind
@@davis7099 I'm very interested in what you say because I was struck by LHO's diction during an interview at the Dallas police station, after his arrest: he responds twice to a reporter: "Yes sir because I work in that building" and the slow, drawling way of saying "I work in that building" struck me: I said to myself he must have a southern accent???
Not really...both were slender, and narrow-faced...many people look like that.
Him and his wife helped in framing Lee Harvey Oswald.
If Ruth and Mike Paine was innocent civilians then why are their tax records classified information then.
Absolutely correct!
Shhhhh.....now, now, now...let's not stir the pot. >Nothing to hear folks, keep movin'
Yes.
Exactly.
@@ccrider4516 Dude...do your homework
@@ccrider4516 Bell Helicopters was his stepfather's business - you saw "Apocalypse Now" haven't you?
Can’t help but see the resemblence between Lee and Michael both in appearance and characteristics if u cover mr paines eyes he’s very similar to the way Lee looked and acted uncanny......
You should see Roscoe White. He REALLY looks like LHO plus he was in the marines overseas with Oswald, worked for the DPD on 11/22/63, his wife, Geneva, worked for two weeks for Jack Ruby at the Carousel, Geneva's pictured with J Ruby.
Agree. They could almost be twins or brothers. Another coincidence and connected to Cia along with wife Ruth. Such BS!
I thought that for decades maybe this guy was some cover
We may have found our Oswald doppelganger in Mr. Michael Paine who went around Dallas prwtendi to be Lee Oswald.
Add to that it was the Paines who lured Lee Oswald's pregnant wife Marina to Dallas with promises of free board and lodging, a weekly allowance, and an offer to pay her hospital expenses. Where Marina went, Lee followed.
What time was this on November 24 - before or after Oswald’s death?
Why in the hell would you have a conversation with a man you never knew ? How and why did he get hooked up with Lee oswald. Do not trust this man or his ex wife.
We can see why their was so many identified around the events that could be mistaken for Oswald😊
*_Young Michael Paine looked a lot like Lee Oswald. He may have played the role of Oswald before the assassination. Because before the assassination, many people using the name Oswald, each with different appearances, were seen throughout Texas._*
He could be the Oswald photographed with the rifle and gun. He kinda has the square jaw and Oswald has a more pointed one.
In that picture, Oswald's head was pasted on someone else's body. That's been known since the 1970's!
@@TheGuitarReb No recent advanced technology says the photo is genuine
@@kenkaplan3654
LOL!! “”
Never trusted this guy
Wow...I guess we should all pay attention to you now?...lol.
Paine
The Spit & Image of Oswald
Strange.
Nobody can or will ever convince ME that the Paine were not part of the Conspiracy setting up Oswald
Who cares what you believe! Facts, proof, evidence, science, sworn testimony and sworn statements will always defeat misinformation, misdirection, half truths and outright lies of the hundreds of conspiracy theories. Checkmate!
As far as I am concerned, thats the square
chin seen in the famous "backyard photos" that were supposed to be Lee holding a rifle...a rifle that has a sling on the bottom...not the side, like the one they "found"
Not the same rifle, not the same Oswald. The head in the photograph does not match the body. We can do better nowadays with computers. 1963 it was scissors and school glue.
l @TheGuitarReb Modern technology confirms photo was real. Strap and strap holdrr are different on B YP rifle than one found in TSBD
@@kenkaplan3654 Oswald sure had a weird looking head.
Actually looks quite similar to Oswald. Maybe, he was the "double" that we've often read about ?
I agree! even speaks with the same cadence as Oswald
@@autoscape1963 Er, no he doesn't.
Dead ringer for Maxwell Smart too!
'didnt let the current reality influence his rather dogmatic way of thinking.' Hmm. Reminds me of someone!
Maybe, but not nearly as funny as Max.
"would ya believe...?"
@@jeffandersen7397
"Time to pull down that cone of silence Chief. I've briefed 99"
THE WALLS OF JERICHO.
(9/11 PREDICTIVE PROGRAMMING
SPECIAL.)
The Aire to Bell Helicopters, one of the largest military Contractors in the Vietnam War is married to a Quaker school teacher who speaks and teaches Russian. But they are definitely not spies... Might have had the rifle in their garage for 6 months, but definitely were not spies.
Michael was also fluent in Russian.
@@Dr.Pepper001 And he took Oswald to both Leftist rallies and even the rallies with Gen Walker, and John Birchers. I think the CIA was not sure how they wanted to frame Oswald. Make him a right-wing nut or a left-wing nut? They obviously thought in the end that it would help the CIA and the military Industrial Complex if Oswald was a Castro Russian Sympathizer. Making Oswald just a patsy would help the cause to promote the Vietnam War against communism.
well, when you put it like THAT!
@@jeffandersen7397 We spent tens of billions in Vietnam in 1960s money. It made a lot of Military Companies very wealthy.
And I'm guessing Mike wished he had no part of it. But jeez he does resemble Lee, makes me wonder if he was who Roger Craig saw running into the Nash rambler... Ruth's Nash rambler.
Oswald who had done all that he had done, marksman, U2 radar man, defects to Russia, works in a radio factory, marries a KGB’s daughter, waltzes right back to USA, drives back & forth New Orleans to Dallas, squeezes in a trip or two to Mexico City, interviews on television, debates Marxism in the media, financed all this doing odd jobs…
Now Paine had occasion to talk with him, when I first heard of him I looked forward with eagerness… eventually I gave up… he was not influenced by present reality… had a rather dogmatic way of thinking unintellectual, unintelligent and therefore useless to ‘uh’ talk with him. ?(useless to (us) )? Damn he right almost stepped in it there.
He told me…I asked him…he told me…I asked him… turns out Michael Paine is the articulate expert on the Soviet system. With me he spoke very freely… with other people they would not talk about political subjects. Lee would talk about nothing else. Now I read that he wouldn’t talk with anybody else… so I couldn’t answer that question. ( yet he just did answer that question)
I would say he positioned himself in belligerence.
I was very surprised when I heard… I didn’t think he was that irrational. He mentioned Cuba briefly but that was unfamiliar to me. Then micheal Goes on to exonerate the Soviet Union and Cuba as having nothing to gain.
Chalks it up to a lone nut taking an opportunity to make a name for himself…
No doubt the Cia would want to debrief Oswald about his time in the soviet union. The American govt paid for his return trip to Texas. Oswald was debriefed for the Cia by Michael Paine, geo demohnrenshildt, or at the map making job that had security clearance as they made maps for the military.
Did Paine pose for the infamous photos with the rifle? Paine worked for Bell Helicopter. Bell profited immensely from the Vietnam War.
Paine's stepfather(Mr. Young)invented the Bell Helicopter and I seem to remember that his grandfather was Ralph Waldo Emerson.
No one closely related to the Kennedy assassination was exactly who they were supposed to be.
Yes, look up the series of interviews city of Allen offers on jfk investigation. Roscoe white and Oswald knew each other from military service. Roscoe was in intel as was Oswald, who was confirmed to have worked for the CIA too. The CIA actually sent Oswald to Russia, he didn’t defect. Roscoe was hired by the DPD as an officer and photograph expert. He doctored the photo’s and Michael was the stand in. Oswald was set up, just like he said. The CIA and organized crime killed JFK, but DPD, Secret Service, were complicit too. LBJ knew of the conspiracy prior to as well, based on everything I have read. They claimed the act had to be done for world peace, but that obviously wasn’t true. JFK had planned to pull troops from Vietnam in 1964. After LBJ took office he accelerated the war, taking care of his war buddies. You know who they are. They are still doing it today.
His Bell Helicopter boss was Walter Dornberger the Nazi engineer brought over from the precursor of the CIA the OSS Operation Paperclip.
@@drunkrumjack thanks. Didn’t know this.
Arthur Young the founder and knventer was his stepfather and his mother's name was Ruth ....weirdos.....
I agree that he looks like Oswald a bit, but I wonder how much of that is just cultural. To people today, everyone from the fifties and sixties seems to look similar.
WRONG
It is true, that in those times, people in general were more conservative in their mode of dress, and were much thinner...today, we Americans are mostly fat slobs!
You must be kidding 😂
I've added to my block list. My online world is a better place for being rid of someone else who is just too damn stupid to be part of serious discussions.
Close your eyes and their speech pattern are the same
Scripted. Such a farce. He was in on the set up along with his wife Ruth.
thr msn sure acted calm like he has been preparing for this....
@@dustyflair He was calm, because he had nothing to hide, and was a well-spoken person...unlike you.
No evidence for that rubbish.
If Michael Paine had the intellectual curiosity to talk with Oswald about his experiences in the soviet union, dont you think the Cia would also want to talk to Oswald.? This was at the height of the cold war. The cia was opening people's mail and debriefing businesses men returning from soviet block countries. Oswald would be at the top of the Cia list of people to contact.
Oswald was interviewed three times by the FBI. He even complained about their harrassment of Marina.
Some comments here are remarkably ungenerous to Michael Paine. He was a firm liberal and an ACLU member in a city and at a time where such things did not make you popular, he was in a defence-industry job, and a close acquaintance has just killed the President. Some defensiveness on his part is perfectly natural.
That is right. The Paines were not CIA or communists. Lee Oswald acted alone and no one knew Lee was going to shoot at JFK that day. Ruth Paine did think of the school.book depository as a possible place of employment for Lee.
@@boblackey1 suuuurrreeeeee, the cia had no involvement.
@@dustyflair That is right. Only Lee Harvey Oswald was involved. Oswald acted alone. No investigation implements the CIA. The Warren Commission, CBS Walter Cronkite, ABC Peter Jennings, 1979 House Committee on Assassinations all concluded Oswald fired ALL the shots that struck Kennedy and Connelly with an Italian Carcano bolt action rifle which belonged to Oswald from the corner 6th floor window of the Texas School Book Depository.
@@boblackey1 dude, you trust the govt? LOL. Then I bet you believe in santa claus too.
@@dustyflair What investigation assign blame of Kennedy's murder on the CIA? Which one? Just saying or guessing the CIA was behind the killing of Kennedy doesn't prove a darn thing!! I can say Santa Clause shot Kennedy but it doesn't prove it. ALL THE EVIDENCE CLEARLY POINTS TO OSWALD!
so this interview was conducted on 24 Nov 1963? that’s the day LHO was shot and killed by Ruby. I wonder if the interviewer and the interviewee knew he was dead 💀🤷♀️
and that they were speaking about a man who had just been murdered
Yes, if you watch the RUTH Paine interview appearing to have been conducted on the same day, and on the SAME couch, she (RUTH) makes mention of Oswald being killed (by Ruby)
I wouldn't be surprised if Michael Paine was interviewed after Oswald was dead, that way Lee couldn't defend himself.
I feel one of them knew the outcome !
He also looks like Abe Lincoln (but without the beard).
Looks a little like Abe but without an honest bone in his body ...
@@Imtahotep You have been looking in your mirror a little too much!...You assume everything, and know nothing!...now take your meds.
Albeit, a lot more handsome!
Abraham Enloe, jr. (AKA Lincoln) was a 1/4 breed native American illegitimate son of Nancy Hanks & Abraham Enloe. He was adopted by Tom Lincoln.
This is one of the most chilled interviewers I've ever heard.
He looks and sounds like Oswald.
@@2A-Bear-Arms if you had only met him once, let's say at a shooting range or used car lot, and then some Feds showed up at your door weeks later with a pic of Oswald... done deal, baby!
like he already knew what he was gunna say. ((today this would be labeled a "fluff piece"))
In layman's terms he's desperate to scream out "Oswald was an idiot!" 😉
Oswald most likely had a higher iq than Michael Payne
@@ryanwilliams6206 Certainly Michael Payne had an ivy league college education, while LHO barely got his GED. Michael Payne was born rich. LHO was born poor.
@@ryanwilliams6206. Oswald had a pretty high-security clearance to be a radar operator, and he was part of the tracking of U2 flights. Something is clearly wrong with a lot of the story about Oswald.
@@sams7725 he was much smarter than they portray. That's for sure.
@@pauledwardtrejo6903 the point is oswald was a pretty intelligent fellow
So his wife Ruth drove Lee Harvey Oswald and his wife from Dallas to New Orleans just so they could live there for about 4 months, enough time for Lee Harvey Oswald to use former FBI Chicago chief Guy Bannisters office for his base to pass out "Fair Play for Cuba" flyers, be seen doing so, and go on TV to talk in support of Communism?
Then after those few four months Lee Harvey Oswald and his wife return to Dallas where Michael Paines wife Ruth is told about a job at the Book Depository and tells Lee Harvey Oswald? Who according to this guy just so happens to be storing the shitty rifle that he was seen in the shitty pictures with at this guys house?
And Lee Harvey Oswald according to this guy just so happened to of slept at this guys house the night before the assassination and left in the morning with the rifle?
Does something feel off here?
All of them were in on it and he made that stuff up after their sheepdipped teammate Oswald was thrown under the bus at the last minute?
Why go to Nola for only 4 months working out of Guy Bannisters office? Why so short of a time?
Sort of. Ruth Paine was a naive, educated Quaker charity lady, who promised God that she would learn Russian so that she could be useful in the Cold War. Her real focus wasn't LHO -- it was Marina Oswald, her new (inexpensive) Russian conversational teacher. She knew Marina was pregnant before the Walker shooting.
Michael Paine was perhaps 10 years older than LHO, and came from a rich family who loved him, and got him his sweet job at Bell Helicopter. (His step father invented the machine). Michael was well-educated and knew Marxism like the back of his hand, because his biological father lived in Los Angeles as part of a Trotsky Communist party.
Michael didn't favor Marxism, but he learned all about it from his dad and the many conventions his dad held in his large house in L.A. What LHO liked was to talk with people who knew a lot about politics from the perspective of Marxism. LHO was drawn to Michael Paine like a moth to a flame.
Ruth was drawn to Marina Oswald on two counts: (1) authentic Russian conversation; and (2) baby care issues, e.g., women's issues, and getting the right medical attention for Marina's pregnancy, since LHO was out of a job again (which was a frequent status with him).
In that first visit staring in Aprill 24 to May 11, 1963, Ruth Paine had Marina Oswald in her home for only 18 days. Then LHO called Ruth and said he had a job and an apartment in NOLA, so bring Marina and baby June to NOLA, as she had promised. So, Ruth drove Marina and baby June to NOLA for their reunion with LHO.
Ruth Paine would have kept Marina in her house for the rest of the year -- but neither LHO nor Marina wanted that. In NOLA, for a five month period (May - Sep) LHO did hang with Guy Banister and all Banister's friends in NOLA, as part of the right-wing paramilitary cadre that vowed to assassinate Fidel Castro. That's where LHO met Gerry Patrick Hemming, Loran Hall, and many other anti-Castro players (c.f. Joan Mellen).
What most historians miss, IMO, is the portrait given by Dr. Jeff Caufield (20154) demonstrating that General Walker and Guy Banister would; cooperate. Both were local politicians. Both ran for office in their State. Both were ranking members of the John Birch Society. Both were ranking officers in the Minutemen of their cities.
LHO's original crime was that he shot at General Walker. LHO was identified at the shooter only *days* after that shooting, said General Walker. Walker evidently told his influential friends, who probably identified David Ferrie. He was leader of a NOLA youth platoon in which a teenage LHO was a membe.
A plot to frame LHO as a Communist agitator began the day that he moved to NOLA (only two weeks after his shooting at General Walker).
Guy Banister wanted LHO to whack Fidel with a team inside Havana (the reason why LHO was groomed as a secretary of a FAKE FPCC branch in NOLA). LHO struggled to get into Cuba from Mexico City in a major hurry).
Banister successfully made this former Marine appear to be a well-known Communist agitator in newspaper clippings, film clippings, radio debates and TV debates. LHO became totally framed as a Red so he was ripe as a patsy, just in case anyone urgently needed to blame the Communists for anything.
Ruth and Marina had maintained their mail correpondence during this period, and near the end Marina told Ruth the truth -- LHO was laid off by the Reily Coffee Company way back in July! Marina had received NO medical attention in NOLA, and the Oswalds had no health insurance.
Ruth drove to NOLA from her East Coast vacation on September 20th -- and sure enough LHO was unemployed again and Marina was eight months pregnant and in need of medical care.
Ruth saved the day. She drove Marina and baby June back to her home in Irving, TX on September 23, 1963. Marina lived there as Ruth Paine gave blood at the to get Marina some medical care and a place to give birth. Baby Rachel was born on October 20th.
Ruth Paine's main concern at that time was child care for her two babies -- getting Marina further post-partum medical care, and helping Marina take care of her own two babies. That was a full time job, as many mothers will attest.
Ruth Paine was completely ignorant of any plot to kill JFK -- of any kind. LHO and Marina lied to Ruth about keeping his rifle in her garage, along with virtually ALL of the Oswald possessions. Yet despite her selfless Quaker giving to Marina, many have accused her of being part of either a Communist plot to kill JFK, or a CIA plot to kill JFK.
(For General Walker and the Birchers, the CIA was a hotbed of Communism).
Yet Ruth was questioned more than any other Warren Commission witness, and gave more interviews afterwards than anyone else.
@@pauledwardtrejo6903 the paines were babysitters. They had no clue , compartmentalized assets. Bell helicopter a major Texas defense contractor was subject to having to be cleared by fbi. A known Marxist pro Castro activists belonging to FPFCC known on the subversive watch list by the fbi, hanging out with Michael Paine of bell helicopter. And they visited ACLU and John bircher lectures.
Walker visited HL Hunts office for literature and probably support. No question walker, Bannister, were part of the minutemen.
@@larrywheels762 I agree with 90% of this. I don't believe the Paine's had ANY official role with Oswald. Ruth Paine was (and remains) a Quaker lady. She didn't take Lee Oswald into her home -- she took Marina Oswald into her home because Marina was 8 months pregnant and had no insurance (and Lee Oswald was out of work again).
Michael wanted to support Ruth in any way he could -- even though they were separated. He testified that Ruth spent less money when Marina was around.
After Marina had her baby (Ruth testified to the WC) she would have to move out of Ruth's house by January 1964, because Ruth's mother was coming to stay with Ruth that winter.
The FBI dropped the ball, for sure -- but I lay the blame squarely on the shoulders of the Dallas branch of the FBI -- specifically. James Hosty knew far more about Lee Oswald than he testified to the WC. It was his job to send all reports to Washington DC, but he *deliberately* dropped that ball.
Another Dallas official to *deliberately* drop the ball was Dallas Secret Service agent Forrest Sorrels. Along with the Dallas FBI, Forrest was supposed to keep the Secret Service in Washington DC fully informed about dangerous people in Dallas -- and fully informed about the dangers of the Dealey Plaza motorcade route.
@Lucky the Lemur: Among the many things you have wrong: Oswald used the address 544 Camp St. in New Orleans on only *_some_* of the FPCC leaflets that he passed out in the streets. He also used his home address and his P.O. box. Besides, 544 Camp St. contained other businesses besides Bannister's office (located in the same building but on neighboring Lafayette St.).The problem for conspiracy peddlers is that no one had ever seen Oswald at or inside the building, nor had any credible witness ever seen Oswald and Bannister *_together_* .
@@pauledwardtrejo6903 rubbish! Did you read the Warren Report of Ruth? It states George de Morschild dropped Lee and Marina off at Everette Glovers...where they met.... so theirs your cia connection. Then Ruth ask for lees Oswald work phone. Who does that? Can you take calls at work in 1963 about cancellations of a party she was going to attend? It doesn't make sense cause it's lies to cover up. It takes a high school education to understand how Ruth was the conspiracy. In 2022 it's a little ridiculous to pretend Ruth was an instigator. hi That's good old fake news talking. Paul the guy is dead by murder the day this is taken and dispute Lee Oswald looking exactly like Michael (except I'd presume Lee was slightly bigger) Ruth has the nerve to call him little. Ruth is a bitter divorce in Nov 1963. Her hate for her husband and hate for Lee is very obvious. Hence the separate interviews. Loving Quaker? Try literally the one going out of her way to frame Lee. The picture to Life/Time came directly from Ruth. The suicide letter (that Ruth most likely wrote herself) came from Ruth. Lee called for a lawyer and Ruth didn't help instead got in between Lee and his mom and Marina. Ruth wasn't having marina over she was traveling somehow without a job and with two kids. Ruth is an obvious liar... as is Michael Paine. If Ruth half of what she claims Marina and her would be friends shes not Euth has continued curios behavior. Also it's an insult to 2022 that Ruth is a loving Quaker. She's a manipulative rat loving ladies don't talk so venomous. Ruth Paine has zero love in her words, in her actions. All I hear is hatred, before during and after.
Michael Paine could have been the man who Roger Craig saw running down the knoll and getting into the Rambler, however Mr. Paine was at work 11/2 hours away I believe. he sure resembles Oswald.
Oswald apparently tried to give up Ruth Paine in my opinion. Roger Craig walked into the DPD office where Oswald was seated before his interrogation. If you'll remember Craig, who as a police detective I suspect would be good identifying makes of vehicles, said that it was a Rambler wagon. Oswald said.. "That was Mrs Paines car.. don't get her mixed up in this!" Now according to pictures published, Ruth is supposed to have a Chevy Belair wagon.. The Rambler has a very distinct slanted design to the rear passengers outside pillars so it's very hard to make that mistake, one for the other, even though they had other similarities. I have examined a color photo of Ruth Paine leaning against what appears to be a 55 Chevy Belair wagon holding a child, having a candid photo with the child having been taken by someone while in her drive way with the car. I have found some stuff which makes me believe that it is an altered photo, possibly with Ruth Paine added in. There is also a problem with the front bumper of the car. It has been literally drawn in. I believe the reason for that is obvious. There would have been a reflection on that bumper showing either Paine and or the person who was taking the photograph. That has been replaced by the horrible drawing of the bumper.. Also for a candid photo showing off your kid you usually don't have your kid purposely turn with his head in the oppostie direction from the camera so that he can't be identified.. Very strange.. Ruth didn't have to be there. It was likely other Agents using her car..
END TIMEs Video Library Didn’t Roger Craig first find the Mauser rifle in the depository before someone found the Carcano? I think it was the same guy. Never changed his story. Even after a car bombing and a shooting. Right up until his mysterious suicide. Strange. I have not heard about the car but that’s my next rabbit hole.
@@mathewmcdonald3657 there is a reason LHO was living in the house of a man that was his twin.
Roger Craig repeatedly testified that the driver of that Rambler had skin of such a dark complexion that Craig believed the driver could have been a Black man -- or a very dark complected Cuban. Michael Paine, however, had quite a pale complexion.
@@dustyflair That's a twin?
This guy spends too much time looking at the floor while answering the question.
Good catch, very evasive behavior
THE SIMILARITIES ARE UNREAL. THE VOICE FACIAL TRENDS THIS DUDE IS INVOLVED.
Strange that Micheal Paine strongly resembled Lee Harvey Oswald. Could he have been one of Oswald’s doubles going around Dallas impersonating
him in the days and weeks leading up to the Assassination?
apparently he was
Yes, Paine was confirmed to be affiliated with the CIA as well as his wife Ruth. It’s possible that he was actually the shooter of JD Tippett to frame Oswald.
Facially there is a resemblance, but Michael Paine was a rather tall man and Lee Oswald was at the most 5'8" and much more muscularly built especially the lower half of his body. Paine was tall and lanky so that was very easily noticed as a great difference between the 2 men. Also, Paine looked like the 10 years or more older than Lee that he was so there's another big difference. No way could he have pulled off being a replacement for Oswald. But, isn't it obvious that what Paine is saying is the truth? He's clearly being as honest as can be. He does not seem to have anything to hide and what he says adds up as to the psychology of a person and what his ideology is.
I think the same thing.
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I have often wondered as to why he and Ruth got divorced...both were obviously very intelligent, politically aware, etc...both were moderately attractive too...They seemed a good match....Ruth actually seemed to be perhaps attracted to Marina...she expressed her love for Marina in a couple of letters she sent her, and always told her she would be welcome back to living with her whenever she wanted. Marina, after the assassination, became cold towards Ruth, and stopped communicating with her. Ruth indicated in later interviews that she was kind of hurt by that situation.
Ruth was Lesbian Mark Groubert states she wrote many many love letters to Maria Oswald...both Michael and Ruth were CIA...they stayed together untill their work was finished then divorced... interesting is the Nicaraguan government kicked Ruth Payne out of their country because they knew that she was CIA in '82
Fact they lived in the working poor to middle middle-class neighborhood and the rich he worked for Bill helicopter and the family had a big box eastern money and if you knew more about or how they’re connected to the CIA guy that John Foster Dulles when I’m related to him and when she picked up the marina down in Louisiana she was in Washington she did a road trip her sister is a psychologist for the central intelligence agency and that amazing
That's the problem: They were more like brother and sister than husband and wife and that is a very difficult way to live a married life. They remained close their whole life.
Gosh, his mouth and mannerisms are soooo much like LHO. Crazy!!
AGREE
This man is an absolute dead ringer for my uncle Terry. Funny thing is, when I asked where he was when he heard Kennedy got shot, he claimed he couldn't remember.
Maybe your Uncle Terry was with Richard Nixon; Tricky Dick said he couldn't remember either, even though he was in Dallas at a bottlers convention. A number of Dealey Plaza witnesses reported seeing at least two men in the window, though at intervals. Maybe it was "Uncle Terry" and Dick. I was just a 12 year old kid on November 22, and can vividly remember where I was, who I was with, and exactly what I did that entire weekend. I couldn't tell you exactly what I did ten weekends ago ,but I remember the weekend of 22 as though it were yesterday.
George HW Bush claimed he couldn't remember, as well. I think it was proven he was in Dallas.
Like MAGOG Bush
@@Bullitt3401 in a gutter blowing JFK's head off
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All part of the plot paines were the oswald handlers.Michale pain i see a hunter.
It took a while but he reminds me very much of Mary Surratt's dweeby pinhead of a son who couldn't run away far or fast enough; 1st to be with Papal Zouaves and then to the Khedive of Egypt. With friends like the Paines and DeMorenschildts who needs enemies?
Eye shift down to the right indicates imagination. Licking lips and pursing lips telling lies. Lowered brow, eyes angled up bullying forceful agreement from interviewer... He's a terrible liar.
Was he nosey?
See how Michael keeps licking his lips as he talks! You will notice LHO does the same thing in a radio interview and sounds very similar to MP. There is something fishy with LHO and MP!
He doesn’t sound like he’s from Dallas at all or anywhere in Texas.
@@davis7099 yet LHO was sleeping on his couch on weekends....and his WIFE and baby in the guest room...OPEN YOUR EYES
He’s from Pennsylvania him and Ruth lived and met at swarthmore college I believe
Right -- he was born in New York, NY, to a very rich family and bound to become an Engineer.
He is a descendent of both the Paine (founding father) and Forbes families; Ruth was a Hyde. Blue blood American royalty in other words.
I find Michael Paine to be just as credible as Ruth Paine. And since Ruth Paine has zero credibility, I think you can mathematically figure out what Michael Paine's level of credibility is.
Intelligent, articulate young man whose impressions of Lee Harvey Oswald turned out to be very accurate.
Who's candle are you waxing?? You people are so full of crud!!
@@ENDTIMEsVideoLibrary You have contributed nothing.
I guess you never heard LHO speak at length?
@@ENDTIMEsVideoLibrary Michael Paine's wise words at 7:09 should serve as the beginning of a sobering rehabilitation for those who foolishly and naively wallow in the bizarre world of baseless JFK assassination theories.
@@ChuckRosseel I guess because you said so and are All Knowledgeable we can just ignore that the doctors and nurses who were reknowned for their reputation for treating Gun Shot Victims in Dallas with one of the highest records for Gun Violence at the time, when they put in their Emergency Room Report that appeared in the Warren Commision that JFK had a large Fist Sized Blowout in the Right Rear Occipital Periatal region of his head, a bullet entrance wound in the throat and a bullet entrance wound above the Right Temple!! I guess Oswald not only had Magic Bullets.. He must have had Laser Guided Smart Bullets!! You people who like to make up Fables and ignore witnesseses and evidence are a Joke!! I hope you use your expensive Clown Outfits to make yourselves some cash throughout the year to recoup the costs!! lol!!
Michael Paine and Oswald were in fact twin brothers . Paine swapped jobs with his brother so he could watch the parade. Jack Ruby ( not his real name and an NKVD agent ) shot the wrong person as he mistook one of the bros for a KKK . And that's why Mrs Paine lived til 97 years.
THEY ARE STILL COVERING FOR THE PAINES.
now, they are saying, they owned a 55 Chevy.
THEY HAD A RAMBLER,
IT WAS SEEN PEELING OUT OF THE BAVK OF THE SBD BAVK PARKING LOT
EMEADIETLY AFTER THE SHOOTING.
CIA,CIA,CIA,CIA,CIA.
Dodgy guy this guy has something to do with the plot
You punch drunk?
Opinions are not evidence.
I thought he had very good eye contact with the interviewer.
@@aaronz7056 Thank you for that!...I think I will put that on a T-shirt.
You think it was "a lone wolf thing"? You are the lone wolf that thinks it's a lone wolf thing
Mike and Ruth Spook Payne.
I see no link between Michael, Ruth, and the CIA. What strikes me is that Michael shows that he spoke with LHO at great length on political matters. We didn't get this impression in his sworn Warren Commission testimony. Clearly Michael wished to minimize his relationship with LHO here and to the WC, but here we see their deeper conversation.
when did they have time to talk so much?
You don't have to see any link because it has been proven as fact that Ruth's sister worked for the CIA!
@@mariahyohannes That's because there IS NO LINK. Just because Ruth Paine's sister worked for the CIA does not, under any circumstances, prove (or even suggest) that Ruth Paine HERSELF worked for the CIA. Writers like James DiEugenio say there's a link simply because they're accustomed to JUMPING TO CONCLUSIONS.
@@pauledwardtrejo6903 Wow you are deep in the doodoo
@@dustyflair According to Michael Paine's own testimony, he saw Oswald at Ruth's home most weekends in October and November. When they did talk, they talked about politics, said Marina. Also, Michael drove LHO to downtown Dallas at least twice, to attend political events of the Friends of Walker planning the assault on Adlai Stevenson in late October, and attending an ACLU event in which Oswald gave the group a brief report of that planning event. Both these events were weekday, not weekend events. They talked a lot -- mainly about General Walker, evidently.
It sure helped the US Military. They got their dirty little war.
Can't get over how much Michael Paine looks like Oswald. IF you were looking for a fake Oswald to step in when needed, say at the car lot for a test drive, or at the shooting range to argue with the others practicing there who would be better than Michael Paine? Say maybe representing himself as Oswald? "Wasn't able to find work?" He was working at a top secret mapping company that Required special security clearance. Michael Paine is completely bullsh*tting this interviewer. He is the aire to the largest Vietnam War military company that would get paid billions of dollars for thousands of Bell Helicopters. "I thought he was not connected with any other group." Uh yeah. He probably had his hands full with being connected to the CIA like Michael and Ruth and George De Morenshcildt.
"[Oswald] was working at a top secret mapping company that Required special security clearance"
Evidence please.
@@dab. His job before the Book Depository was working for Jaggar Childs Stoval. They did mapping for the U.S. Military and they specialized in Cuba. Oswald had worked in a top secret Japanese Airbase tracking the U2 Spy Plane. He would be suited for a job like that except that he supposedly had defected. He could NEVER have gotten a job like that. He would never have been able to the secure a job like that and yet he did. It means his records must have been scrubbed.
@@DavidArbuckle-sc8zc Oswald briefly worked as a trainee typesetter but was fired 7 months before the assassination.
JCS did undertake typesetting for military mapping but Oswald had no access to that, nor did he have any "special security clearance".
You can look up Stovall's testimony to the Warren Commission.
@@dab. Exactly. He did NOT HAVE "Security Clearance" which would be impossible for him to have it if he truly defected to the USSR.
@@DavidArbuckle-sc8zc Then I don't understand what point you are trying to make.
You said Oswald was working a job which required security clearance, but that is not correct. Oswald was working in a job which did not require security clearance and therefore did not have security clearance.
Any relation to Ruth Paine?
Husband and wife, and both connected to CIA and intelligence operatives.
Same guy 😂
"when i heard that the shots had been fired from the building WHERE I KNOW HE WORKED.....(just don't ask me how I know that though)
For all the bad mouthing the Paines receive Michael is talking total sense and summed up Lee to a T. He is surprised Oswald would do it and he would be right according to LHO alibis
Exactly
MR. Paine is a very well spoken man ...and shares many good points about oswald
Seems like he’s trying to remember a script to me. Spit it out. Not well spoken at all really. Not sure what you watched.
@@mathewmcdonald3657 sounded trained
Lol ok
@@mathewmcdonald3657 He's just thoughtful about what he is saying. Wants to respect the interview and offer well considered responses. Unlike how most folks speak today, sadly!
Oswald was a sad misfit, who had a tortuous family upbringing. Being shifted around so many schools and without a father figure to guide him, but only an eccentric mother, who was also detached from reality, the boy became a recluse, and sought comfort in watching films and TV. His life was one of being constantly on the move, constantly looking for a nirvana but never finding it. His inner torture led him to blame capitalism for his situation, finding solace in Marxism to explain his own personal failings. By 1963 his married life had gone from bad to worse. Sadly, he never took responsibility for his actions but blamed others. Thus we have the mindset of a man who struck out in any way he could to punish those who had been responsible for his own lack of social status. The killing of Kennedy was brutal and senseless. But Oswald no longer thought in a rational way. He was in the grip of his emotions. Oswald slipped under the radar when he was a young boy and no one was there to rescue his childhood which was stolen from him. He built his life on a fantasy, which is a lethal cocktail and ultimately led to the tragedy of November 22nd 1963.
He seemed to have a lot of financial means for a lonely loser who couldn't keep a job, don't you think? I mean heading off to Russia, Mexico, Dallas, New Orleans then back to Dallas.. Working for High Security Spy Photography places like Jaggars-Chiles-Stovall, getting Radio Interviews when he was the only member of his supposed Pro Cuban Anti- American policy group. Working directly across the street and within the same community as all of the Intelligence Agency Offices while in New Orleans working for FBI man Guy Bannister. Coming back into the US during the Cold War after getting an emergency passport and flying back courtesy the US Military after trying to renounce his citizenship and give the Russians Radar secrets.. almost like he was an Agent Asset for the CIA or somethin.. Use your brain.. It won't hurt too much.. I promise.
@@ENDTIMEsVideoLibrary I shall ignore your personal insults as they demean you and your own views. I have put forward an honest analysis of Oswald to explain Oswald’s pattern of irrational behaviour. It’s interesting to observe that you haven’t essentially challenged my analysis but instead have hinted that he had financial backing and that he was part of an intelligence organisation. You offer no tangible evidence as to these claims but instead choose to denigrate my analysis by cobbling together a few assumptions! Please endeavour to think more critically when trying to articulate an alternative viewpoint. Your college report would read: “Great scope for improvement.”
@@geoffm9944 Okay, so I digressed.. I apologize. The problem is your analysis appears to be based soley on what the government has said about the case and does not consider that the wonderful governement may possibly be lying to cover up a murder of a president with it's perpetrators some still alive, trying to avoid the death penalty or prison. There are so many facts supporting this Oswald would have surely gotten off on the charges and that's why they had to silence him . He was.. as he said a true Patsy. He was an Agent Asset for both the CIA and the FBI and had a 201 employee file with the CIA.. It takes a lot of research but if you're gonna make an analysis of a man who cannot defend himself and only what's left of his honor remains.. isn't he owed at least that?? Besides he was never convicted in a court of law. He was robbed of that right.
@@ENDTIMEsVideoLibrary I believe you're on the right track but I doubt that he was a CIA asset when he went to the USSR but wanted to part of something that he considered would be just to him and recognize his greatness, when this didn't happen he became disillusioned and eventually returned with Marina to the US. And its on his return that the CIA started to watch him and used the Paine's to watch him. It's as well to remember that when someone like Oswald becomes disillusioned then they turn against the thing they once idealized, in short he became an anti communist and adopted an opposite ideology probably under the influence of the White Russian De Mohrenschildt and then on to Guy Bannister etc.
@@ENDTIMEsVideoLibrary I often point a lot of things like this out, myself. LHO seems to pop up in the most interesting of places and have contact with interesting people. Lastly. He shots at an Army MGen and misses shortly before he kills a Police officer with a pistol never mentioned before that time. But he did shoot at the General with the same rifle that killed JFK. Later he kills JFK, not when the limo is right under the window LHO supposedly shot from but much farther away at a much harder distance and angle. LHO also seems to linger at the Texas Book Depository afterward; that's odd.
He doesn't look anything like Oswald. Just 2 young guys.
This topic is vast, so many avenues and probabilities. However, I've always learned to the side of conspiracy based on many of this aspects mentioned below....Craig rogers, Oswald's past, the Zp film, both autopsies, the anti Castro Cubans, the mob, mark lane etc and some extent some persisting questions about Ruth Paine.
I knew she had a husband, but didn't know he discussed Oswald on film. He came a across as a highly intelligent man, very sharp and measured in his explanations. Could be a master handler and manipulator - absolutely. Could he be telling the truth - sure. But he is slick city!
Read Marina Oswald's evidence to the WC last night and I was very surprised how condemning it was of her husband. It seemed clear from that who could have done it and why. Could it be as simple as LHC did it for no particular or significant reason. Maybe we will never know.
It's clear why he did it.
Oswald had tried to kill General Walker because he was very Right Wing and had a lot of sway. He narrowly missed him, really by a hair he missed killing the general in his own home. And, there is so much supporting evidence of that being true so we know that he had that in him and that he could be brought to that. Oswald had become so obsessed with going to Cuba as he viewed Castro's version of Communism as much more to his ideology than he found Russia to be. Kennedy had set up the Cuban nationals to kill Castro, but they failed and that could have been on O's mind. Guy was not wired very well, so he thought about things differently than most other Americans , that's for sure.
HE SHOT TIPPET
Who?
You have no evidence.
says you
It is so interesting, that many people forget about that incident!
Many troubles came from childhood..paine seems had to influenced lho...even take the place of father..in a certain way...
Something is wrong with that picture. It looks more like the Paine's both help LHO be able to do the things he did and go where he needed to go. They look more like handlers than Quakers concerned about the Oswald children.
Michael Paine also met students near SMU in Dallas and discussed Pro-Cuba sympathies and had file cabinets in his garage with information on the Fair Play for Cuba Commitee, and on, and on..... Oh, his wife who was a liberal Quaker ended up involved in the Iran-Contra affair under the Reagan Administration.
Exaggerations.
One of the best ever interviews I've seen about LHO. Michael Paine was very thoughtful in his responses and gave informative and relevant information and there seemed nothing false or shadowy about anything he said. Best, best ever!! Thank you, Mr. Paine. RIP.
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He lied every time he opened his mouth.
Michael Paine doesn't really look like LHO the only thing they have in common is that they are choppy, pale, with a top in front but they don't look alike at all
Some of the comments on here border on the insane. Some people can't accept that Oswald pulled it off by himself, no doubt that's how he was able to do it, as nobody could rat him out.
Wasn't even possible so you might as well peddle your wares elsewares!
I could accept it--if defeating security was more than telling your ride to work your weapon was curtain rods, if they didn't have to make up a bullet path, if he hadn't been killed 2 days later, if he could eliminate witnesses from beyond the grave that could say it happened differently because he wanted the publicity, etc. etc.
@@AMC2283 well it seems like Oswald had Magic Bullets and a Magic Wallet why can't anything else be Magic. I mean I'm guessing that the witnesses were Magically Silenced by murdering them and the Zapruder Film was Magically altered too. The 1960s were just a crazy Magical time!! That's a perfect explanation don't you think??! Okay maybe not...
@@ENDTIMEsVideoLibrary I guess there are such things as curses
@@AMC2283 I was really being sarcastic but I do believe also that the Elites are into Satanism and Witchcraft and cast spells through their witchcraft on the unsuspecting public.. God himself is the only true protection over the devil and his demons and that's who is ultimately behind the orders for the Globalist Cabals who pull off these events. including the Fake Pandemic..
OK, Oswald did not believe in capitalism & saw some flaws with it but that didn't make him an assassin killer.
yeah, I didn't hear one thing that sounded like motive--just the buzz words Marxist/Communist.
@@AMC2283 One overblown pathetic concoction, eh? Oswald did not fire the fatal close range direct side shot that blew the skull off JFK from behind the fence @ the Grassy Knoll @ a location 300' behind so now you know he was not guilty no matter how hard they tried to grossly manipulate the facts.
@@edwardanthony7283 Yes, but the US Government agreed that for National Security they must manipulate the evidence to prove that Lee Harvey Oswald had NO ACCOMPLICES anywhere at all. He was now the "Lone Nut" -- even though history shows he had lots of companions in New Orleans as all as in Dallas.
Well, these were the Cold War times -- so any evidence that LHO had accomplices could have started riots between left-and-right wings in the US. Or, it could have tempted the Soviets to make a hostile move. National Security was to blame for all the Government lies staring on November 22, 1963.
But the Soviets collapsed in 1991. We haven't had a Cold War for 30 years. We should demand to see the documents withheld by Chief Justice Earl Warren that are still being withheld. Only the honest TRUTH can heal our nation.
@@pauledwardtrejo6903 I agree it was complicated & from many different avenues including the Kennedy family wanting quick closure but the truth did not prevail through the muck of manipulation as many of us are & have been well aware of. Oswald definitely did not fire the close range kill shots at the limo near the Grassy Knoll & I'm sure many higher ups knew it right from the get go. Did Oswald fire shots? It ranges from possible to doubtful with no fingerprint proof found & like he said at the precinct: "I didn't kill anybody". I was 5 @ the time & all I ever heard was Oswald's a Patsy who was permanently silenced & after watching the Zapruder tape it proved to me beyond a doubt it was a close range side shot from the some where near the Knoll grounds that blew the skull off JFK, not a manipulated trajectory angle shot from 300' away!
@@edwardanthony7283 Although Oswald might have been at the 2nd floor cafeteria finishing his soft drink, he was STILL an accomplice to the JFK assassination, because Oswald had handed his rifle to a trusted accomplice standing near the rear entrance of the TSBD, early that morning. Marina confirmed that the rifle was HIS -- so Oswald was clearly *involved.*
At the very least, Oswald knew *exactly* who really killed JFK. Yet his lips were sealed because he STILL trusted his many accomplices -- to the very end.