George and Jeanne de Mohrenschildt - Lee Harvey Oswalds Russian friends in Fort Worth, TX.
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- Lee Harvey Oswald and his Russian-born wife Marina Oswald were introduced to George and Jeanne de Mohrenschildt in the summer of 1962 in Fort Worth, Texas. De Mohrenschildt had heard of the Oswalds from one of the Russian-speaking group of émigrés in the Dallas-Fort Worth area. George and Jeanne befriended them, tried to help them as best they could, and introduced them to the Russian community in Dallas
On April 14, 1963, George de Mohrenschildt and his wife, Jeanne visited the Oswalds' apartment. As Oswald's wife, Marina was showing Jeanne around the apartment, they discovered Oswald's rifle leaning against the wall inside a closet. Jeanne told George that Oswald had a rifle, and George joked to Oswald, "Were you the one who took a pot-shot at General Walker?"
On March 29, 1977, de Mohrenschildt received a business card from Gaeton Fonzi, an investigator for the House Select Committee on Assassinations, telling him that he would like to see him. The HSCA considered him a "crucial witness". That afternoon, de Mohrenschildt was found dead from a shotgun blast to the head in a house where he was staying in Manalapan, Florida. The coroner's verdict was suicide.
Thank you, I really appreciate all these older clips.
How did an upper-class person like DeMoren ever meet up with a guy like Oswald? Very odd.
C-I-A.
Capitalisms Invisible Army!
Seriously: he was the Oswald's domestic russian speaking handler in Dallas. Jeanne LeGon, the erstwhile Mrs DeMohrenschildt was the dress designer/business partner in 'Nardis of Dallas' with Abraham Zapruder, who was not up on that pediment, with his 8mm movie camera by accident.
He expalined how in the film!
This guy and Oswald were both connected to the CIA.
Hey George - you forgot to mention that you had a 350 thousand dollar credit line from Prescott Bush and your Brother Dimitri was one of the founders of radio free Europe a CIA sponsored program - George you also forgot to mention your wife Jeanne worked with Abraham Zapruder who was on boards with George DeMorenshield and Prescott Bush and Mayor Cadel
So what he was talking about Oswald how you know what he had.?
@@TwelveTribesForever can you do research?
@@TwelveTribesForever 💯
@@xnoybis9967Dick.
Exactly
this man wrote directly to DCI Bush as a friend in desperate need of help, or protection - without mentioning HSCA subpoena. Bush wrote back, not offering any help, but significantly, not asking why his old friend could be in such need
I thought I heard something about George W helping him with electro shock therapy..
@@patrickcoughlin3564 No, that's how he gets laid. Everything else is usually mit ein handesshäken. WTF‽ WHY IST DIE FRAU WANTING TO TALK ABOUT SEX UND DER RIFLE IN DER HAUSEN? 'OSSIE' NICHT CAPTUREN COWSEN MIT UN CAN OV BEANS. DAT IST STUPID, YAH? TOO SEXY FOR MIEN SPOUSEN, TOO SEXY, YAH? NIGHT VANT UN CINEMA- DAS IST FOR DER FRANCHEN
And this guy was dirty all the way and they all were and that George Bush knew whatever his role was in it or just knowledge of it and they all did Oswald was in the same thing I mean obviously
He wrote and asked Bush for help because he thought people were following him and opening his mail and stuff like that and he asked Bush if he could get the people to back off of him and Bush replied saying that he doesn't know of anyone or any of the agencies harassing him. Many people claim George was suicidal and paranoid even his ex wife and daughter.
@@mrsinister8943 He also admitted that he pushed Oswald to kill JFK
What the hell would Marina want with another 100 dresses from Oswald if friends have given her “close to 100 dresses,” and why the hell would Oswald be bothered over that? Sounds phoney. When the FBI was paying Oswald, plus his measly pay from cover jobs, and the US brought him back at government expense from his stint in the USSR, supposedly a defector, after he’d been trained in Russian at government expense while a Marine at the Monterrey Language School where he excelled to the point that Marina thought he was a Russian when she met him, and after he’d been working with U2 spy planes in Japan and was ostensibly released from military duty with the explanation that his mother had injured her foot and needed his care, when apparently, his language skills and skill with an exceedingly expensive government issued camera meant he was brought back to work as a CIA asset - considering the foregoing, WHY was he so desperately poor? Were these agencies intent on keeping him and his family in poverty and reliant on charity so they could manipulate him better into taking scummy assignments? Oswald was one of a number of military personnel that the US deployed as "defectors" but the scheme wasn't panning out too well. The USSR, monitored their movements continuously while there and thus precluded the gathering of much intelligence.
These "defectors" were mistrusted by the Soviets, and rightly so, hence he was brought back, no questions asked, to serve stateside in an undercover capacity. The WC kept this understanding from the public. When he was on the sidewalk in New Orleans passing out leaflets for his chapter of the "Fair Play For Cuba Committee" which consisted of one person, Lee Harvey Oswald, he was taking direction from Guy Banister, a career employee of the FBI and rabid anti-communist. The ostensive purpose would be finding sympathizers to Cuba in the New Orleans area so they could be monitored, but with the treachery of his handlers and their superiors, this role of pamphleteering, seeming to be a Marxist agitator, this worked for "sheep dipping" him, setting him up to be the patsy in their grander scheme of conducting a coup against JFK, someone the right wingers resented for interfering with their profiteering rackets, of which Mohrenschildt was one. He was also and associate of George HW Bush, a CIA operative before becoming DCI --
“This is modern times” - there’s no harm provided she smokes moderately, says idiot Jeanne Mohrenschildt, when Oswald is even MORE modern and wants her to smoke outside. He didn’t forbid her from smoking, but from contaminating the air her children need to breathe. I don’t believe that awful story of him putting the cigarette out on Marina’s shoulder. That’s to build hatred for him.
Did Oswald’s daughters learn Russian? Did he speak to them in Russian? If he didn’t want his wife to learn English, and held sway with this, then she’d be speaking to them in Russian and they were going to have a hard time of it when they started school with no one able to understand them and the alienation of not understanding anyone around them. Since Oswald loved children, it’s doubtful he’d attempt to preclude his wife from learning English, jealous or not.
I'd seen nothing whatever regarding these statements by the de Mohrenschildt's before seeing this, so I wasn't relying on other's viewpoint in analyzing what they said. Buell Frazier, who gave Oswald a ride to work frequently, speaking as an old man, said Oswald loved children because he saw him playing with children. You don't have a clue, just a lot of insults. Maybe you should quit puking and come out of insult land.
"If I wanted to get him talking, I would ask about his girls,” Frazier said. “He would chuckle and tell a story. He was the type of man who would play with kids in the neighborhood.”
You are right to distrust Jeanne as she is a KGB agent. So was Lee Oswald... The KGB trusted him because he gave them U2 secrets. Lee never attended DLI, he learned Russian while in the military from a civilian female translator that was also a KGB agent 🚩
@@Cyallaire Confirmed, Cynthia - as you may know, and our correspondent, may not, LHO was the most popular tenant among 18 at the Earlene Roberts rather huge rooming house. Families with children were part of the mix, and Lee was known to counsel them out of their quarrels, and show them how to swing a bat & throw a ball.
Not at all the moody loner we're told about.
Add these many people as reasons Ms Roberts would tell the truth about the DPD patrol car honking at 1:00 PM; after all she could so easily be denied were she - for some super-weird reason - fabricating such an anecdote.
Instead we were left to believe LHO had returned to a dismal garret or backshed hovel to retrieve his pistol. Or should I say, a pistol - the one he'd been issued. Only in that situation might the landlady know she could lie, in this strange way, and go unchallenged. Although again one would ask, why?
Thanks for your views.
Is it really unusual to find a rifle in a closet in Texas ?
It is when the closet belongs to a known KGB agent ☝️
KGB rejected Oswald and he tried to commit suicide. YT vid of it. They said they can't believe Americans would send such a person as Oswald to be their agent. He was not credible to Russians.
The fact : Jackie Kennedy as a child
Was very close to this man. Decades later he's befriended to Lee Oswald?
Something is sinister.
So many odd coincidental incidents. One has to subscribe to. To buy the "Official story. Notice how they are giving careful thought to the descriptions they provide. Not directly related to this interview. I understand that George wrote letter to George Bush. Apologizing for "Having talked to much about LHO. This. Not to long prior to a visit from Geaton Fonzie. To arrange an appearance before the HSCA. And his bogus shotgun suicide.
You have to wonder .... what are the odds ???
Another "coincidence:" George de Mohrenschildt said that J. Walton Moore of the CIA , whom he had known for years, had encouraged him to reach out to Oswald in the summer of 1962. Oswald and de Mohrenschildt remained in contact up until shortly after Oswald allegedly shot at General Walker and then they never saw each other again. Less than a week after the assassination, FBI agent Wallace Hietman was assigned as the primary contact to interview Marina Oswald, and he spent many hours with her in the months prior to her Warren Commission testimony, which was basically used to "convict" Oswald in the Warren Report.
Moore and Heitman were college roommates. Small world, isn't it?
Here's a big secret that isn't a secret both these people was friends with Ruth Paine and her husband years before they met Oswald and the Paines are CIA agents who already spoke fluent Russian before meeting Oswald but tells in a police report that she let Oswald move in to help her learn Russian and it's all on record s.
His wife also worked with Abraham Zapruder who was standing in the right place at the right time with the right camera. . Think on that a moment.
If I was Russian and living in the US , especially in the 60's, I would say whatever they told me to say, and that goes for both countries.
Yes they are all KGB agents, including Oltmans🚩
Very interesting folks, way back in their time.
*_Since Oswald is no longer alive, there is no one to answer these allegations. Therefore, it has never been possible to verify the accuracy of these claims._*
They were corroborated by Marina. Other stories by other members of the Russian community in Dallas and some by the Paine's.
Sorry but Oswald was a vile piece of excrement and assassinated Kennedy alone.
So why would coastal elites be interested in the Oswalds?
They had Russian in common. Not too many Russian speakers in Texas today, and I'm sure there were even fewer back then. It's like jazz or conspiracy theories. If you share a common interest you'll hang with people from different socioeconomic levels because they're like family.
He says why in the film!
Try watching it and listening.
Just so happen, It's so easy to speak when he's not around
DeMohrenschildt's comment about the rifle is interesting. He states they were standing on a balcony when Marina Oswald showed them the rifle in the closet and said he "SAW" it but claimed he DIDN'T even "LOOK IN the closet" and was simply TOLD about it by Marina; who, nevertheless, he states said "LOOK, this fool has bought a rifle." IF Oswald kept the rifle (SUPPOSED to be the one he SUPOSEDLY shot JFK and Connally with) in a CLOSET in their 🏠where it COULD BE SEEN, then WHY would it have SUPPOSEDLY been kept in the garage of the Paine's 🏠??
It would have been JUST AS likely that either Michael or Ruth Paine would have found it AS Oswald's landlady he was then renting a room from in her 🏠. And he WOULD NOT have likely kept it in a mere blanket but have bought a guncase to LOCK it in! It seems DeMohrenschildt was doing his CIA-assigned role of INCRIMINATING Oswald as the assassin! 🤔😎
Exactly, deMorenschildt and Paines are the same liars with obvious task - handlers and incriminate Oswald. And once he could go and do it publicly, he rather "chose suicide" 😀 yeah.., sure..
I recommend checking out the 4+ hour interview Willem Oltmans did with George (and with some interjections by Jeanne)
The most dishonest person I've ever met is a guy by the name of WARREN COMMISSION
They are all friends until someone gets caught, George directed Oswald then later took the cowards way out.
He was in Haiti when the assassination happened.
It was all Oswald the bumbler.
@danieleyre8913 agreed, Oswald was set up but now I don't believe GD or Ruth Paine knew what the specific assignment was, and I firmly believe based on strictly evidence that Oswald did not shoot anyone.
This is footage from the de Mohrenschildt's November 1964 interview with NBC. It's not clear if it is all the footage or edited for uploading here. For example there are no interviewer questions which seems odd.
Of course its hacked to pieces. Just like everything else.
Pictures, film, witness statements , evidence, - it's all been spliced , diced, and carved up like a Thanksgiving turkey.
Look I honestly thought Lee was carrying Curtain rods!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Marina stayed with Lee for 3 possible reasons 1 Young lady two kids don't know the language,no job skills no friends no family here.2 If she was part of a plot with KGB she would be punished if she disobeyed orders, possibly death.3 Sometimes even today and I'm sure more so in Dallas of 63 woman didn't have many rights,back then a man could slap a woman around,and if she filed a complaint, they would send her home,and tell her to work it out with her husband.
Marina is indeed a well trained KGB wife, still undercover today in Dallas 60+ years later!!!
George and his wife Jeanne were also KGB agents, which is why Oswald "discussed every aspect of the operation with him"🚩
Marina accomplished nothing for KGB. How can she be spy. Also KGB chief retired in Moscow said he couldn't believe Oswald was an intelligence agent for America as he didn't think Americans would send such a low skill person.
I think he explored for oil. Lee once said he was setup by by Ruth p and his own wife. Also two ss agents. He didn't attend language school for nothing. Cuba was all about money, oil and returning the mob to power there.
BULLSHIT! So, Marina doesnt know english correct??? 🙄 yet somehow she taught Ruth Paine Russian?🤔 dont know about u but i find it hard to believe someone who doesn't know english being able to teach someone who speaks english to speak russian....wtf
You are saying that in a misleading way. Marina did not teach Ruth Russian from scratch. Ruth already knew some Russian before she ever met Marina.
LOL you don't know the half of it bud 🤭
@@Caeruleo in fact she had taught it at some collage apparently
Fascinating folks and yes one can find theory in such fodder yet where does one draw a line?
Common sense
Most definitely a CIA contact.
What's he going to do, take a pot shot at Walker...we just laughed.....
Now most of our MSM witnesses or interviewed are like this.
So how did LHO get to the General's house? How did he transport the rifle? If the rifle was fully assembled in LHO's closet a few days after the shooting, it is clear LHO didn't dis-assemble the rifle immediately after the shooting, for the ease in transporting the weapon on a city bus....In 1963, was it common for a White man to carry a rifle onto a city bus or in a cab?
LHO didn't have a driver's license, didn't know how to drive, and didn't own a vehicle.
The case falls apart when you look at the details. The authorities had their man. They make the details fit, or they ignore them.
He carried the rifle under a winter coat and used the bus to get there, simple. After the shooting he left the rifle hidden - he had made plans for all of this.
George Sergius de Mohrenschildt was an American petroleum geologist, anti-communist political refugee, professor, and occasional CIA field agent. De Mohrenschildt, who moved to the Dallas area in October 1961, is best known for having befriended Lee Harvey Oswald in the summer of 1962. Wikipedia
Lee shot at Walker no crowds who wasn't moving and missed. Yet hit the prez in a moving vehicle.
You only believe that because " they" told you that. Where is your actual PROOF shot at anybody? The money order for the purchase of Lees alleged rifle was never endorsed by a bank. FAKE MADE UP CIA STORY for propaganda!!
@@jenniferwise8515 I was making a point how could he hit a moving target when he couldn't hit one sitting still. Plus Oswald had No gun residue when tested. So he didn't fire a gun that day.
Jen I do agree with u.
@@jcampezzi1027 plus the intelligence agencies had the LEE HARVEY OSWALD project started in the 50s. Doubles and look alikes. FOIA can get you the declass files. The Russian.speaking Os was sent to Russia as a dangle. The.non Russian speaker was the patsy.
Of course! Biden won the election, too!
And nobody knows if he shot Walker...more hearsay....not mentioned here...Marina was living with Ruth Paine a very wealthy connected woman who had numerous family ties to the CIA that De Mohrenschildt introduced to Marina---she was the one who "found" Lee a job at the Texas book depository 1 month before the assassination! CIA CIA CIA
Such altruistic folks to travel to another town and mentor a poor family they’ve never met. 🙄
Jeanne de Mohrenschildt once worked at same place as Abraham Zapruder
How ironic
@@stj971 -- IT was a very tight group when you view JFK thru the looking glass I have spent many years reasearching most of the angles. But I don't have the time or the energy to elaborate except to tell you that It was no coincidence. Zapruder ---- unbelieveable as it seems --- was a 33rd degree mason, One can bury themselves forever in this labyrinth. George was the CIA guy who was watching Oswald. But what was Jeanne doing working at the Zapruder store. There's a lot of stones that way that need to be turned ....... that have yet to be.
its a small world after all
There's many strange associations, through out..hard to believe coincidences Conspiracy Nutters?
Its It's in plain sight.
Name the place.
This couple seem like really supportive people with no hidden agenda.
LMFAO. check out the fairly new documentary about Ruth Paine, by a guy named "Goode", im thinking "matt" but that could be the singer. its called something like "the assassination and Mrs Paine', Good had no agenda and just wanted to explore stuff before she died.there is also a good Ruth Paine piece on "America's untold stories' with Mark Groubert. Both Micheal and Ruth come from families with very deep "establishment" ties. Ruth's sister was a psychologist documented to have worked for the CIA, her father's name also appears in CIA documents and they spent summers with Allan Dulle's old mistress. They are the kind of people that spend their lives ingratiating themselves with people or groups that just happened to be of interest to the US government. Nothing ever 'official" but they did a lot of "favors" and were well rewarded as loyal citizens..which im sure they saw themselves as.
Not sure but Marina and kids were more of a burden really. Oswald does not appear to be much of an asset imo. Poor de morenschildt appealed to bush because he did not want to appear before the hsca but I think bush got him to get electric shock therapy. In those days they had the weird idea that it could make you forget things. Total nonsense of course unless it fried the poor persons brain permanently. They seemed really surprised that LHO would shot Kennedy. Makes no sense. Walker staunch "right winger" and Kennedy "left". LHO also told cop that why would he shoot Kennedy of he disagreed with him as then the VP would take over. Oswald strange guy but he had some ability to reason. I think he was a fantasy spy and got involved with CIA stuff like gun running with bannister if he could, but I think he was merely used. Even with Jack Ruby and co. Used and a convenient naive fallguy to absorb all the focus. I think he was supposed to be hit after JFK so as to take blame, but he survived to be captured alive. I doubt Ruby would have planned to end his freedom in such a blatant hit.
Mr. de Mohrenschildt was Oswald's handler. He was very much involved in other shady stuff if you care to read in the endless books on the JFK assassination. Try the book by Oswald's girlfriend "Me and Lee"
Well, George De Mohrenschildt was Oswalds CIA-Baby Sitter. He was also found dead from a gunshot would to the head on the day that he was supposed to go before the HSCA.....
CIA all the way
Jean worked with Zapruder at Nardi's.
George de M took Oswald to a Russia "discussion group" at Socony Mobil Research Lab in Jan 1963. Everett Glover who was at the meeting introduced Ruth Paine to Marina. Too many coincidences.
To paraphrase Rick Blaine, “Of all the gin joints in all the towns in all the world, George walks into mine.” Just happenstance. Riiiiiiiiight.
"For some particular reason they both didn't want to leave each other," said Jeanne de Mohrenschildt of Marina and LHO. "Some particular reason" like maybe they have two children together? How preposterous it is that Mrs. Mohrenschildt would speak like she's faulting Marina for complaining to friends over LHO's conduct, and then Mrs. M clearly lies that LHO put a cigarette out on Marina's shoulder. THAT would be enough reason for Marina to take off immediately and never look back unless to prosecute for assault, not just to complain of LHO seeming disinterested and too busy with work and reading, or spending money foolishly. It's an obvious lie - so out of kilter with what else the Mohrenschildt's convey. How idiotic that Mrs. M would make reference to Marina supposedly humiliating her husband >>IF
She saw the black eyes and cigarette burns on Marina, that's why. Jeanne was incredibly outspoken and independent, to the point her talk pretty much wrecked George's career in the Texas oil business. As Jeanne would have never let a husband treat her that way, she couldn't see why Marina would. Nothing idiotic at all.
Marina was tough, but she knew she was in a tight position. I neither deny or accept these claims but it is an insight into one of two things: either LHO was a controlling, jealous husband who was insecure within himself. Ie; he detested smoking and he didnt want her to learn English so she could not communicate to others about his lack of interest in sex and other insecurities - OR - the Morenschidts were outright lying. Once again, he said - she said brick wall of un confirmation.
AGAIN...OSWALD WAS GAY. HE WAS MK ULTRAED. HE WAS MIND CONTROLLED BY CIA. ANY QUESTIONS?
YES NORMAN MAILER, OSWALD
Her accent doesn't sound Russian.
German
@Kevin Gerrard No, she is Russian, but born in Manchuria, definitely not German.
They both sound kinda German, but not quite.. Usually people who move around and/or have parents who are from all over..
Obviously, multiple people are lying. That was a very inexpensive war-surplus rifle which were being sold in the early 1960's for $5 to 25.00 each. IF Oswald had bought the rifle, then he could have used it to put meat on the table during hunting season as thousands of hunters do each year in the U.S. and Canada. That would have solved the food problem.
What/Why would a wealthy couple such as the de Mohrenschildt couple have to do with an under-employed guy in his early 20's and a Russian wife. P.S. if she is concerned about money to buy food, then she should NOT be spending money on cigarettes.
Does any sane, rationale person believe de Mohrenschildt's reasons for being so concerned about LHO's well being? Jeez....
I recently read that he was actually Oswald's father. Also that oswald was gay. The book Oswald by Norman Mailer was most interesting
Sure I do they felt sorry for Marina.
Ofcourse not he was Oswalds Cia handle.😅
@@randyharris3175 George and his wife Jeanne were both known KGB agents, just like Lee and Marina... You blithering idiots 🤤
@@stj971 Mailer admitted years ago he wrote that trash for the money. Mailer believes, as every rational person does, that there was a conspiracy.
Remember she changed her tune after that and said that it is time that people start looking into Lee Harvey Oswald and people that he is associated with when her husband allegedly committed suicide after telling a investigative reporter who told him to get Oswald the job at the Texas School Book Depository.
suicide very interesting 🤔
The two girls are just beautiful
Just who ... was General Walker. Could someone please tell me this please?
He was an ultra-right wing retired general who was LHO’s first target for assassination.
Lee had been following Walker’s fascist speeches at many mini-rallies around Dallas and he bought the rifle (the one used to kill JFK) and he began stalking Walker. He made detailed plans of Walker’s home and surrounding area. Included in the notebook Lee kept were photos of Walker’s house, car and yard. He did some serious planning before attempting to assassinate him.
On the night Lee went out to kill Walker he left Marina a detailed letter indicating what she should do after he was arrested (the jail they would likely take him to, the bills he prepaid so she wouldn’t have to, and where she should go to to get help since he would no longer be around.
Marina was quite freaked out-as you could imagine any spouse would be. However, later that night a disheveled Lee returned home. He had clearly lost his nerve and only managed to get off a single shot at Walker which was deflected by window slats narrowly missing Walker who was sitting in his study.
A scared and furious Marina asked him what the hell he thought he was doing. He said that he was trying to assassinate a potential Adolf Hitler clone. Marina was very mad at him and told him it wasn’t his business to decide who is a bad person who needs to be assassinated!
Together they burned most of the incriminating notes that Oswald had made but Marina tucked away some photos and other details which were found after the JFK assassination.
What this proves is that Oswald was seeking a target for political assassination. It provides insight to his impulsivity, his recklessness, and his desire to do something‘important’.
It’s one thing f the single most important factors that went into proving that Oswald was capable of becoming a lone political assassin. He didn’t need help from ‘conspirators’!
If you’d like to discuss facts like this about JFK assassination theory I would be happy to hear your ideas. Let me know.
A notorious right wing wind bag back then
@@Ckom-Tunes Uh huh....according to Marina and Paine....you on the payroll too or simply gullible? All hearsay...this "proves" nothing.
@@Ckom-Tunes Id be interested. Ive never seen these remaining effects described that Marina held onto. Where can they be seen? - as on the internet?
@@rattycaddy
The National Archives
So he is an evil man because he didnt want his pregnant wife to smoke? Oh and he was known to beat her yet she constantly 🙄 made fun of him publicly? She was so afraid of him that she made fun of him in front of his friends. Gtfoh this is all BULLSHIT FFS
Marina Oswald would have fared better if she would have just stayed in Russia
Marina would have fared better if she had never met Lee Oswald.
Although she did get to live in the USA for the rest of her life instead of endure the USSR if the 1970s and 80s and the Russia of the 1990s.
Tip: read "Walking the Razor's Edge" from Tommy and Hilde Wilkens (2023)
"It's modern times ... women smoke ... no harm in it at all" - Well Oswald was ahead of the times by not allowing Marina to smoke !
Very strange recollections. Just doesnt sound like the recollections of someone that was trying to help a couple and are relaying honest facts. Nevertheless, I think they are simply controlled assets, I think they are doing what is being asked of them. They do not know the real reason, they were simply trusting their CIA command. And it is very likely that even their CIA command contact didnt know the ultimate goal of the operation. None of them would have a need to know.
Yes this Oswald guy real nice fellow.
According To Eric Titovits, Lee's best friend in Minsk and the only person with out an agenda -that 'yes" LHO was a great guy.
@@JohnJohnson-pq4qz Okay you can get anybody to say anything. I guess he got along with the folks in Minsk you know there is that photo. But the majority of the people who knew Oswald said he was argumentative didn't like to be tild what to do was a fan of Castro. I recall what his landlady said Roberts said Oswald I would talk to him but he wouldn't answer I couldn't get a good grunt out of him. The russian emigrants in Dallas didn't like him etc etc.
There is little legitimate debate now days , with the new released documents, that George de Mohrenschildt was connected to the CIA (like duh, his brother worked for the US state department and early FBI documents connect him to Vichy French intelligence) but its pretty much out of the bag now : " The CIA’s claim to have had no contact with Oswald is undercut by the fact that George de Mohrenschildt, a CIA asset, became close friends with Oswald in the months before the assassination. That spring, de Mohrenschildt traveled to New York, Philadelphia, and Washington. According to documents found in the newly declassified files, at the same time as his trip, the CIA’s Domestic Operations Division ran a search on de Mohrenschildt, “exact reason unknown,” according to two documents created by a CIA analyst included in last week’s declassification"-the Intercept....so unless it just coincidence that a CIA connected guy befriends LHO..and I don't think anyone is going to buy that...except complete morons reading total trash like "Reclaiming History" by nut job criminals like Vince Bugliosi..that part of the debate can end.
@@JohnJohnson-pq4qz Nope the cia interviewed him because he traveled overseas customary. No reliable evidence he worked for the cia stop the misinfo If thats your opinion good but don't state it as fact.
@@randyharris3175 Sorry, the INTERCEPT does the fact checking so it trumps your lies. you are the one I have made a fool of so many times I have lost count. Are you still trying to say Vince "the nut case criminal stalker" did not have ghost writers on his pile of dung book?lol. The Intercept has made a fool of you again, this time, George had not gone any where in years...there flaky. except to Dallas to baby sit their pawn piece..LHO. These are facts no longer speculation.
Ummm…..smoking is healthy? 🤔
CIA liar
They were just innocent scapegoats...
Very funny.. George was a proven Intelligence Asset and they murdered him before he could testify.. He was one of Oswald's handlers.
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I doubt it. Oswald bought that rifle with his own money much to marinas dissatisfaction. A CIA operative would have been financed. Three spent shells and one live round at TSBD . None elsewhere for rifle. Frugal ! Who goes on an OP so ill equipped?
CIA assets
yes, very interesting....Jackie kennedy called this man uncle....Jackie kennedy looks like marina...marina knows George
.burn mark on shoulder.....
correct. . George DeM taught Jackie to ride a horse. He's the KEY link in this whole thing, because HE took his orders from the scum who took THEIR orders from higher level scum.. He might have been unaware in his setting up Oswald at the SBD, but SOMEBODY sure did. Find out who directed Oswald to be employed there and you unravel the whole thing. George might have been following compartmentalized orders.
Well i see you made it this far._.
Bravo._. You still have a long way to go._.
George, party animal._.
George is go between jackie and killer._.
George contracted the killer aka Os._.
Os and George are pals._.
Jackie already knew oswald, that why he brought marina._.
Jackie contacts George, George contacts oswald._.
Oswald shoots jfk._. Jackie marries onnassis._.
Jfk jr dies ._. Maybe i went to far._.
When the disney codex is added._.
George is mad hatter._.
Jackie is queen of hearts._.
Oswald is the rabbit._.
Ozwald is Oz ._.
The queen of hearts contacted the hatter who contracted Ozwald to kill the king of hearts._.
But police arrested oswald rabbit and not Oz ._.
Back to jfk , Os fired magical trajectory is a lie._.
Then ruby kill wrong Oz._.
Fort worth and dallas police had four oswald lookalikes in total and one got away._. The one that keeps killing._.
After Os dies._. You already follow George death._.
Have you got to dorothys death? Yet ? Keep going._.
Marina Abramvic by any chance?
Jackie Kennedy didn't look anything like Marina.
Yes in a former life, in New York in the 1940s, George de Mohrenschildt knew the Bouvier's very well, and was close to the mother.
It's just a coincidence that years later he came to know the Oswald's in Dallas. He hadn't had anything to do with the Bouviers for years by then. People in high society tend to move around a lot and have odd social network's.
Oswald did not know he had a rifle .
And the gun they found in depository was not a mannlicher carcano. The pic of oswald with gun is a fake. The real one is out there l saw it online somewhere side by side
@@stj971 "And the gun they found in depository was not a mannlicher carcano."
It has never been proven that it was not a Mannlicher-Carcano. You seem to be referring to the Mauser myth.
@@Caeruleo Mauser MYTH? It ain't no myth when the rifle they found was photographed at the TSBD was a rifle with a different strap mount configuration and different caliber AND had MAUSER embossed on the damn thing. Get a clue. No less than 3 witnesses SAW the Mauser on the 6th floor. That's FACT.
@@HandleThisSelection2 "Mauser MYTH? It ain't no myth when the rifle they found was photographed at the TSBD was a rifle with a different strap mount configuration and different caliber AND had MAUSER embossed on the damn thing."
Wrong. There is no photograph taken of the rifle while it was on the sixth floor which shows the word "Mauser" on the rifle.
"Get a clue."
You may wish to consider the possibility that that is advice you might need to follow more than I do.
"No less than 3 witnesses SAW the Mauser on the 6th floor. That's FACT."
Actually, it isn't, and I suggest that you badly need to research this matter much further. Those three witnesses you're referring to were Seymour Weitzman, Eugene Boone, and Roger Craig, and Craig did not say it was a Mauser for the first time in his life until more than seven years after the assassination. Previously he had said that he had no earthly idea what type of rifle it was.
Seymour Weitzman wrote in his original report that same day that the rifle was a Mauser. However, let's examine that carefully. Weitzman never said, in that report, or in any other statement he ever made to the end of his life, that he actually saw the word "Mauser" anywhere on the rifle, nor did he see ANY words on the rifle, not even "Made in Italy." Nor did he ever say that he even touched the rifle. And in fact all of the officers, including Craig at first, unanimously agreed that the only two people who were allowed to touch the rifle while it was still on the sixth floor were Captain Will Fritz, head of Homicide, and Carl Day, head of the Crime Lab. None of the other regular officers were allowed to touch the rifle. Had any of them done so, they would have been immediately fired, or at the very least severely reprimanded for violating the protocol for chain of evidence. Also Weitzman never said that he had ever seen a Carcano before in his entire life prior to that day. In fact, he never said he had even seen a **picture** of a Carcano before that day. In fact, he never said he had even heard or read the word "Carcano" before that day. Thus there is no credible evidence that he even knew of the existence of that type of rifle prior to that day. So if he had never seen a Carcano before, and never even knew of the existence of such a rifle before, and never picked up the rifle on the sixth floor or touched it at all, and never looked closely enough at it to see any words at all on it, how on earth could he reasonably be expected to correctly identify the rifle as a Mauser rather than a Carcano?
Now let's talk about Eugene Boone. He wrote two reports that day. In both of them he said the rifle "appeared to be a 7.65mm Mauser" (his exact words in both documents). Now notice the wording carefully. "Appeared to be" a Mauser. Not "was" a Mauser. That is an important distinction. And he later clarified that the one and only reason he said that was because he overheard someone else call it a Mauser. He never said he identified the rifle as a Mauser due to his own personal observation. And he also never said he saw the word "Mauser" on the rifle, nor did he ever say he saw ANY word on the rifle, nor did he ever say he touched the rifle, nor did he ever say that he even knew what a "Carcano" was before that day. So just like Weitzman, if Boone had never before seen a Carcano, did not even know what a "Carcano" was, and also did not look closely enough at the rifle on the sixth floor to see any words at all on it, how could any reasonable person expect him to know, with anything even remotely close to certainty, whether the rifle was a Carcano or a Mauser?
Why can't the correct and truthful answer to this be a completely "non-sinister" one? Why is it so "unbelievable" that Weitzman and Boone simply made an honest mistake? You didn't know that it is not uncommon for early reports to simply be mistaken? You didn't know that there was also an early report in the news that a Secret Service agent had been killed that day in Dealey Plaza? You didn't know that two of the Parkland doctors, Kemp Clark and Malcolm Perry, mistakenly thought at first that it was possible that JFK had been hit by only one bullet total, which had entered his throat and then turned upward and exited out of his head, and that this mistake was also reported in the media? You didn't know that such mistaken early reports have happened many other times in big news stories? Do you remember the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995? If so, do you remember that some of the early reports in the news mistakenly claimed that Islamic terrorists were behind the bombing?
Also, you didn't know that it is not uncommon for it to take as long as 72 hours for mistaken early reports to get corrected?
And now, Roger Craig. Pfft. The man was, quite obviously, severely lacking in credibility. He never said the rifle was a Mauser in any statement he ever made from the day of the assassination in November of 1963 until 1971, more than seven years later. And in none of his earliest statements did he ever say he even touched the rifle. Then all of a sudden, in March, 1968, after he had already been fired from the DPD the previous year (and his firing had nothing to do with any of his claims about the rifle, btw) he abruptly changed his story. Suddenly, for the first time ever, he ***LIED*** and said he HAD handled the rifle, which quite obviously could not be true due to the reasons I've given above. And looky here what ELSE he said. When asked if he had handled the rifle, he said:
"Yes, I did, I couldn't give its name because I don't know foreign rifles, I know it was foreign made, and you loaded it downward into a built-in clip. The ID man took it and ejected one live round from it. The scope was facing north, the bolt facing upwards and the trigger south. But there was another rifle, a Mauser, found up on the roof of the depository that afternoon."
See that? Not only did he ***LIE*** when he said that yes he did handle the rifle, but he also said that he didn't have a clue what type of rifle it was, other than that it was "foreign." Where's his claim that he saw the word "Mauser" on the rifle? Oh that's right, he hadn't invented that part of his story yet. Oh, but looky there what ELSE he said. He claimed there was a DIFFERENT rifle found, not on the sixth floor, but on the roof, and that it was THAT rifle that was the Mauser, NOT the rifle on the sixth floor.
Oohh, but it gets better. In 1971, for the first time ever, he, ah, "suddenly remembered" that there was only one rifle found anywhere in the TSBD after all, and that single rifle was the one on the sixth floor. Only then did the Mauser on the roof become the Mauser on the sixth floor, a claim he had never made before 1971. Then, in 1975, in "Two Men in Dallas," he ***LIED*** ***AGAIN***. He falsely claimed that Seymour Weitzman pointed to the word "Mauser" on the rifle and called everyone else's attention to it, something never corroborated by Weitzman himself or by any other witness present.
So yes, I continue to stand by my statement that the Mauser on the sixth floor is a myth, and I have produced far more evidence to back that up than you have produced to dispute it. In fact, you've really not produced much real evidence at all to speak of that disputes anything I've said in the slightest.
@@Caeruleo Wrong. There is actual video of it. The strap mounts are obviously not that of the gun Oswald was said to have owned. You're a blowhard, just like bravo scrotum.
Check out the fairly new documentary about Ruth Paine, by a guy named "Goode", im thinking "matt" but that could be the singer. its called something like "the assassination and Mrs Paine', Good had no agenda and just wanted to explore stuff before she died.there is also a good Ruth Paine piece on "America's untold stories' with Mark Groubert. Both Micheal and Ruth come from families with very deep "establishment" ties. Ruth's sister was a psychologist documented to have worked for the CIA, her father's name also appears in CIA documents and they spent summers with Allan Dulle's old mistress. They are the kind of people that spend their lives ingratiating themselves with people or groups that just happened to be of interest to the US government. Nothing ever 'official" but they did a lot of "favors" and were well rewarded as loyal citizens..which I'm sure they saw themselves as.
Will look it up.
I think LHO was patsy. Told by Ruby to do some "important" thing that day, but I don't think Oswald was informed of planned hit on Kennedy. I don't think he'd be trusted. Oswald had no motive to stop Kennedy. Opposite was in fact true.
@@meisievannancy exactly, Marina said; "Lee adored JFK" and that he even cried when he heard that the Kennedy's little premature baby had died. What LHO was told and what he thought was happening is one of the great mysteries. What people also miss , by trying to work backwards and only looking at LHO, is that there were probably alternative pasties as well, so the final set up was in flux (thus the disappearing Mauser originally found at the TSBD). Joan Mellons book on Jim Garrison has pretty good evidence that LHO worked for customs when he was in New Orleans. Like Sen. Richard Shwieker said about LHO he was covered with the finger prints of intelligence.
This testimony perfectly corroborates that of his
girl friend judyth baker.
I find Lee and Me the most
revealing credible work about the Patsey Lee.
In what way does this interview corroborate anything? Oswald was a bad husband? Okay, that’s clear.
Oswald shot JFK-alone. That’s the only thing that’s clear. But, I guess you have evidence to demonstrate otherwise. This interview proves nothing.
@@Ckom-Tunes Read the book and several more.
@@johnnicholas1488
Why? Can’t you provide an outline for what you’re talking about here. Or did you make up that claim without thinking it all the way through. That’s okay, you conspiracy theorists do it all the time…
@@Ckom-Tunes I don't have time.
@@johnnicholas1488
Hahahahaha!
A healthy thing to smoke? Hell No..
Spook liars
Oswald was gay.
What they say really seems to have the ring of truth to it. Very detailed and specific. Liars don’t tend to have that quality. Oswald did it alone.
Both DeMohernensheds and both Paynes( Ruth and Michael) were CIA. Connect the dots and you find it.
@@jenniferwise8515
Jennifer
Could you please provide your source so I can connect the dots for myself. I’ve never seen anything that confirms they were CIA-except completely unsourced speculation from CTs.
By the way it’s ‘Paine’ not ‘Payne’. Oh, and I know de Mohrenschildt is a tuffy (I have to look it up every time myself) but getting it right always makes for a stronger argument. Don’t you think?
@@ckom0007 just do a study on both DeMohrenshiekds. Both CIA. George also taught Jackie Kennedy to ride horses when she was a child. All the info was out there. George was murdered by the CIA before he could testify.
@@jenniferwise8515
Jennifer Jennifer Jennifer. I have read all those sources-both pro-conspiracy and anti-conspiracy.
You sound like a nice person so I don’t want to be hard on you or your comments but nothing you’ve said remotely makes sense.
If you’ve read poor George’s biography you’d know that he spent the last years of his life mentality tortured, with several suicide attempts and made viscous physical attacks upon his wife and family. He was completely gassed by the time he took his own life.
He had not been in contact with Oswald for months before or anytime after the assassination. Also, are you saying he was somehow a riding instructor for a young Jackie then went on years later to groom the murderer of her husband? It makes no sense.
Further, there is no concrete evidence linking Michael Paine to a CIA plot to assassinate JFK. His tangential association with the CIA, perhaps, came from security connections he had to Bell Helicopter (an everyday normal US security interest.) Simple things become so sinister in the minds of conspiracy theorists…
Then there’s Ruth Paine. She was, and to this day still is, an empathetic upstanding, moral, and smart woman. She has been the one witness who has been able to document her entire relationship with the Oswalds without ever changing a detail (much less can be said for those who have tried to impeach her testimony.) Her kindness to Marina and her children has been well documented-as well as her distrust and dislike for Lee. At the time of the assassination she was separated from Michael so I don’t know what that means in the CIA playbook. Shouldn’t they have stayed together in a sham marriage do as not to tip-off a suspicious LHO?
What is it exactly that you accuse these people of? You simply say their involvement with the CIA was well-known and you leave it at that. I hate to be a stickler for detail but you have to establish several levels more detail to get to them being involved in some kind of conspiracy to kill the president!
Again, you’re probably a very nice person but when it comes to JFK conspiracy theory you need to do a little work!
Cheers!
@@ckom0007 even the only daughter of Ruth Paine will not speak to her because of the cia involvenent. If you cannot even find that info in 50 yrs you are not a researcher. Jackie Bouvier called him UNCLE GEORGE. They were all connected you just read books put out by cia stooges like Bugliosi and Posner.