Do I regret buying the BMW R1300GS instead of the new Adventure?

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  • @daizernone8496
    @daizernone8496 2 месяца назад +10

    Didn’t see your chigee on your way home, hope it’s not still on the test bike, good vid.

  • @TwoGoTouring
    @TwoGoTouring 2 месяца назад +8

    I’ve order one with ASA and traded my 1250 GSA. I ride two up a lot and have toured Europe last three summers. Next summer we’re going to Romania and this is the ideal bike. There’s more room on it for two people and the seat is more comfortable than the 1300 GS. I sold another bike as well to help with the cost of the change. I didn’t feel much difference on it compared to my old GSA but it’s definitely wider than the 1300 GS which is to be expected surely ? Fugly or not this bike will be a top seller as the old version starts to look dated.

    • @TheStammeringBiker
      @TheStammeringBiker  2 месяца назад +2

      I do a lot of 2 up touring and if I was buying again I’d probably get the GSA over the standard but right now I can’t justify swapping both financially and also it’s not enough of a difference. I definitely think that seats will be better long distance but for now my backside will have to deal with it 🤣

    • @TheStammeringBiker
      @TheStammeringBiker  2 месяца назад +1

      And yeah I expected that GSA to be wider I think what I meant was I didn’t expect it to “feel” so wide on my knees compared to the 1250GSA. I sat on one in the showroom and it didn’t feel like it angled out quite as aggressively

  • @davidmallia628
    @davidmallia628 2 месяца назад +11

    The adventure only makes sense if you are travelling to Alaska, or transversing central asia, and this just for fuel range. But, you can always carry extra jerry cans, using a simpler, lighter bike, which is always preferable.

    • @MrFlowerfred
      @MrFlowerfred 2 месяца назад +3

      Not quite true.
      The Adventure model has a much better seat, more suspension travel and much better weather protection.

    • @davidmallia628
      @davidmallia628 Месяц назад

      @@MrFlowerfred true, but just trivial over the standard GS.

    • @andrewspeed9118
      @andrewspeed9118 Месяц назад

      @@MrFlowerfred could you explain where/how the R1300 GS Adventure have “much better weather protection” compared with the standard R1300 GS. Thanks

  • @Bikerbug2020
    @Bikerbug2020 2 месяца назад +4

    TSB - yes that is it, I hopped on the 25 GSA at the dealer yesterday and it felt a bit wider at the tank and seat, I did make a tentative deal on a 24 GSA

  • @theflyingyetti_666
    @theflyingyetti_666 2 месяца назад +4

    Having ridden both I was surprised to say I prefer the ADV

  • @D-WFR
    @D-WFR 2 месяца назад +8

    PCP has killed the bike industry because it gave manufacturers and dealers the opportunity to artificially inflate bike prices - Massively!
    People now think of a bike as a monthly figure rather than the total cost of a bike. In other words x thousands is a gulp of breath, but a few hundred quid is just an annoyance. I didn’t realise people were so stupid.

    • @marklee2618
      @marklee2618 2 месяца назад +3

      Hardy the fault of the finance type. Bike prices have gone up as parts prices have and technology has increased. Dealers don’t influence the prices upwards they actually would rather the prices were lower but it’s not like they can do much to affect that…

    • @simonrichardson3167
      @simonrichardson3167 2 месяца назад +3

      pcp has allowed young people to buy a nice 118i or Golf , they can get into a brand/ image car for a cheap monthly payment, and would rather do that than buy a motorbike. Therefore you have a shrinking pool of customers.

    • @D-WFR
      @D-WFR 2 месяца назад +2

      Not cheap though is it as the monthly cost is merely keeping you on a dog lead. When it gets to the end of contract period the amount to purchase outright is astronomical and deliberate. Of course that’s why buyers choose to go down the deposit route again and the cycle goes on. Vanity keeps people poor and brands keep people locked in.

  • @MR35th-890
    @MR35th-890 2 месяца назад +2

    Went from RT to GS ( had 4)to RS. Seen the new GSA yesterday. It is wider than the RT and slightly heavier. All the weight high up, the new panniers are enormous. Tried the new 1300GS with ASA and is a game changer. Will be waiting for the new RS. For anyone just touring the GSA doesn’t make sense….unless you are 6’4.

  • @beans4491
    @beans4491 2 месяца назад +3

    It’s a good video! It’s nice to see the the financial implications of swapping from the GS 1300 to the GSA version.
    Thanks a lot and enjoy that super machine. 👍

  • @theworldsbonkers
    @theworldsbonkers 2 месяца назад +5

    All that technology yet still no standard car play or back lit handlebar switches.

    • @Lecruque
      @Lecruque 2 месяца назад

      I hear that a lot but I don’t get it..? I have never needed that. You fingers create muscle memory.

    • @theworldsbonkers
      @theworldsbonkers 2 месяца назад

      @ After owning BMW1250 GSA also a Ducati Multistrada V4S the Multi has back lit switch gear which just looks nicer. Wouldn’t have cost much to upgrade to back lit switches on the 1300
      On my BMW1250 GSA I have bought the Chigge Ao lite system and its a game changer no more faffery.
      Apple play just works.
      When will motorcycle manufacturers listen to what we want?
      For instance why no wireless charging in the phone holder ?

    • @MrFlowerfred
      @MrFlowerfred 2 месяца назад

      ​@@theworldsbonkersyou can buy a wireless charging pad for the holder. They're only like £20.

    • @theworldsbonkers
      @theworldsbonkers 2 месяца назад

      @@MrFlowerfred And thats my point.

  • @paullavender2537
    @paullavender2537 2 месяца назад +4

    99% of riders buy new GSA because they want one, not because they need it. How many will actually take it off tarmac? Not many. Only a rich nutter would do any serious off road work on such a big heavy bike. For easy off road stuff the GS with hybrid tyres is fine. I love my 1300gs, no interest in changing. Bigger fuel tank? I loved the distance you could do in 1250 gsa, but given you’re supposed to rest every 2 hours and that there’s fuel stations everywhere , only a luxury. And with a full tank the 1250 gsa was top heavy and not a dainty thing, the 1300 gsa I’m sure is the same filled up.i guess if you’re crossing the Mongolian steppes or some other remote place the extra fuel capacity might be very useful. Otherwise you got your 1300 (or 1250 ) because you liked it, which is a perfectly good reason. NB I think the 1250 gsa looked like a tank; the 1300 gsa looks like a German tank. Both monsters. The 1300 GS is a better looking bike, but so are loads of other.

  • @Bikerbug2020
    @Bikerbug2020 2 месяца назад +2

    Yesterday I had the chance to look at the GSA 1300 and compared it to the R1250GSA, with all of the bonuses and discounts that BMW is giving on the 2024 and the price increase that is on the 2025 GSA the R1250GSA is a great value purchase.

  • @allansmillie7507
    @allansmillie7507 2 месяца назад +7

    Not long got my R1300GS...all the bike I'll need...GSA offends me less than it did at launch...but I dont need the additional bulk.

  • @kelcombe
    @kelcombe 2 месяца назад +1

    Great video, exactly the question I’ve been asking myself. I’m very happy with my R1300GS the engine is great and I’ve grown to love the look.
    Like you the only real issue I’ve had has been the seat. I’ve bought the Wunderlich seat to try to solve the problem and found it as firm as the original but the shape was wider and helped a little. The best result I’ve found so far is setting the suspension to -2 and using Cool covers from Nippy Normans which just took the edge off. Thanks for your opinion

    • @adinovak2352
      @adinovak2352 2 месяца назад +2

      After a disappointment with wunderlich seat on my 750gs (surprisingly, after initial positive impression it turned out to be very uncomfortable on long stretches), I decided not to change the OEM BMW seat on my 1300 gs. Instead, I bought the bike with enduro package which includes bar risers and adjustable foot pegs. these are the game changers. I lowered the foot pegs, switched the little lever under the rider's seat. Together with the bar risers it gave an extremely comfortable position and the OEM seat is the best I've ever had on a bike. Some people say you need to give the seat time to break in. Don't know if the seat broke in or my butt got used to it or both, but I'm now very happy with the bike and comfort it offers.

  • @gsd32i
    @gsd32i 2 месяца назад +2

    Nice video, especially the audio. For the moment I think I will keep my 1250GS, just came back from a mini tour of France, St.Nazaire, La Rochelle, Oradour-sur-Glane, Loire Valley and the 1250 still does things very well. I'll try the 1300 GSA next week though. Ride safe.👍

    • @TheStammeringBiker
      @TheStammeringBiker  2 месяца назад +1

      Thanks mate! Love La Rochelle! Look forward to your video!

    • @gsd32i
      @gsd32i 2 месяца назад +2

      @@TheStammeringBiker Sadly, whilst I was away ,my wife had to put our 8 year old German Shepherd to sleep, due to heart failure, totally unexpected and I am gutted, just got home tonight. GSD321 is now down to 1 GSD. Boo hoo. Didn't get to say goodbye to her. Man enough to say when I got off the bike having ridden home from the ferry , just broke down and sobbed my heart out😢 Anyway I'll try and do a half decent video of the trip.

    • @Drewstheboy
      @Drewstheboy 2 месяца назад +2

      @@gsd32iI feel your pain I follow your channel, we lost one of our dogs unexpectedly in April I am still broken. 🌈😔🐶

    • @gsd32i
      @gsd32i 2 месяца назад +1

      @@Drewstheboy Thanks, just been to see here and she looked at peace, so glad I got to say goodbye and give her a kiss and cuddle.

  • @MatthewCox-b3p
    @MatthewCox-b3p 2 месяца назад +4

    I have a 2023 1250 GSA and actually really like the new 1300 GSA ASA version however the 10k cost to change takes a bit of digesting! I also done an insurance quote and it £1250 for the year with tracker & thatcham alarm so based on that i will be keeping my 1250 for the time being.
    Did you find your 1300 GS was more to insure?

    • @TheStammeringBiker
      @TheStammeringBiker  2 месяца назад +4

      Yeah it was significantly more and they couldn’t answer why, they also stipulated a tracker which was never needed on my previous 1250GSA. BMW Motorrad insurance wouldn’t even quote me 😳

    • @MrFlowerfred
      @MrFlowerfred 2 месяца назад

      The ASA system really isn't all that. Fine at gentle speeds but not good at all when driving a bit more spirited.

  • @Sharpey76.
    @Sharpey76. 2 месяца назад +2

    30 litre tank only makes sense if you use the bike for what its really designed for and go out in the middle of nowhere otherwise theres a petrol station every few miles

  • @mikedignum1868
    @mikedignum1868 2 месяца назад +1

    I've already seen a few used 1300GS on dealers' forecourts with low millage and found 18k fully spec. Makes you wonder what the previous owners are swapping them for and why.

  • @raycollington4310
    @raycollington4310 2 месяца назад +1

    Good video. I admire your loyalty to BMW. I couldn’t take your approach to them. It’s all a kings clothes job as far as I can see. My Honda has been fantastic and never had a thing go wrong on it. My local BMW motorad dealer in Maidenhead just closed down. For some perspective I bought a new 330D in 2009, it was a fantastic car, the new 530D I bought in 2018 was a load of junk. They had their chance. Now everything I own is Japanese.

  • @martindivall5301
    @martindivall5301 2 месяца назад +1

    As a 2024 Triumph 1200 GT Explorer owner, I would love to hear your thoughts on it and a comparison to the BMW, especially the comfort level, engine and suspension, make sure you test ride the 2024 MY though , as the engine modifications they did for 24 really do make a huge difference from the 22 MY.

    • @TheStammeringBiker
      @TheStammeringBiker  2 месяца назад

      I’ll get in touch with my local dealer and arrange it soon 😎

  • @mars0030
    @mars0030 2 месяца назад +2

    Some of that financial loss includes the VAT of course, which is always an instant loss, but there's still a lot of depreciation there. Hardly a surprise that people are looking closely at the recent surge of chinese bikes. They'll also suffer depreciation, but are much cheaper in the first place.

  • @xseal053
    @xseal053 2 месяца назад +1

    I have the regular GS. Vasty prefer it to the Adv. model. I have a 2 gallon fuel bladder that I carry and can use for rare instance when I may need more fuel capacity, which is rare.

  • @hughmac7423
    @hughmac7423 2 месяца назад +1

    I don't understand the changing bikes every year or two. Then I've had a a 1988 HD Lowrider since 1989 (with a sidecar most of the time) and recently brought a 2022 HD Pan Am Special (Army green version) in 2023, which I plan to keep for a long time. There are other bikes I would like to have, but not at the loss of my current bikes.
    GSA and the GS, they seem to have too much tech for me. I don't see the point of the 30lt tank in the GSA, unless you live somewhere with massive distances, like where I am in Australia. I expect fuel stations would be pretty close together in England and Europe, given how densely populated they are. I do like the look of the new 1300's, the past GS's were ugly in my view.

  • @stalbansbiker
    @stalbansbiker 2 месяца назад +1

    I have an R1300GS just got in from a 400 mile ride to Yorkshire and back
    I wouldn't swap mine
    But may have a GSA when the time to change comes

  • @ajojoseph6052
    @ajojoseph6052 Месяц назад +1

    How's the wind protection difference? The 1250GS had much lesser protection than the GSA and hence I chose the latter. What else are you feeling as major differences?

    • @TheStammeringBiker
      @TheStammeringBiker  Месяц назад +1

      Having had 2 x 1250GSA’s think the standard wind protection on the new GSA is better for me at head level but I definitely felt more wind at my arms/shoulders. I actually prefer the wind protection on the standard 1300GS which I own which I was surprised about to be honest. Both are better than the 1250 but I prefer mine for wind protection despite the narrower tank and frontal area.

  • @gerryryan2302
    @gerryryan2302 2 месяца назад +1

    i got the 1300GS ..do i regret buying it ..yeah sort of , because i took out an ASA model and absolutely loved it . but like you when the numbers came back i decided to stick . the seat is def better on the GSA ..i really didn’t like the 1250GSA, but i really do like the 1300GSA . but i think the 1300GS suits me better .

  • @johnwiffen6655
    @johnwiffen6655 2 месяца назад +1

    Good video. Thanks, the money kills it!!

  • @Itsthejourneynotthedestination
    @Itsthejourneynotthedestination 2 месяца назад +1

    To change I was given almost the exact same figures as you and mine only has 1100 miles on it.

  • @MrFlowerfred
    @MrFlowerfred 2 месяца назад +1

    That phone cubby was a huge disappointment for me. My phone fits on my 1300GS but not on rhe GSA.

  • @pstomike
    @pstomike 2 месяца назад +1

    Thanks for your perspective, it helps me shape my opinion before buying. I'm not six feet tall, commute in a lot of stop and go highway traffic, so I should stick to the GS over the GSA?

    • @TheStammeringBiker
      @TheStammeringBiker  2 месяца назад +1

      Unless you need a bigger frontal area and a larger fuel tank I personally don’t see a huge amount of benefit getting the GSA, not that it wouldn’t do the job just fine but I think it’s perhaps a bit overkill perhaps

    • @pstomike
      @pstomike 2 месяца назад +1

      @@TheStammeringBiker thank you much

  • @PNH63
    @PNH63 2 месяца назад +2

    Call me weird, to start with I wasn’t keen , but now I love the look of it!

  • @stuipooey1
    @stuipooey1 2 месяца назад +5

    Not a typical BMW driver, he used his indicator 😂

  •  2 месяца назад +1

    Great video ;-)

  • @223Sako
    @223Sako 2 месяца назад +1

    The Adventure has looks that only its mother could love. The standard GS is a much nicer bike.

  • @UltimateDazzle
    @UltimateDazzle Месяц назад

    Nice to have £8k to chuck away in 10 months!
    I gave up on BMWs a while back because of the business model they are pushing, funny how when you purchase the salesman always tells you that the depreciation is very low and that you will not notice it because it’s built in, then when you come to the end of the PCP suddenly the value has bombed because of mileage, condition of bike, too many around at the moment blah blah blah.

    • @TheStammeringBiker
      @TheStammeringBiker  Месяц назад

      That’s exactly why I’m not swapping it, I was honestly shocked at the depreciation 😳

    • @UltimateDazzle
      @UltimateDazzle Месяц назад +1

      @ it shocks me that it’s not more , if this is a business purchase then obviously a fair amount is written off every 2-3 years on the balance sheet but if a private purchase then it’s not the way to purchase motorcycles, secondhand Japanese around 3years old , well maintained makes much more sense, so easy to get sucked into the BMW PCP’s , the salesman are well trained and very slick at this. If you must go BMW then go independent preferably specialist

    • @UltimateDazzle
      @UltimateDazzle Месяц назад

      @@TheStammeringBiker plus did I hear correctly that your 8 month old 1300GS was in with starting issues and a new battery being fitted? That’s the other issue I had with BMW , despite the claims of their superior build quality why do they have so many build and quality control issues? I never felt confident with mine that they would not suffer failures

  • @NISSIM505
    @NISSIM505 2 месяца назад +1

    Incredible BMW physiological marketing!

  • @davidlutton4560
    @davidlutton4560 2 месяца назад +1

    Very informative video. Although the GSA is clearly a great bike, it is seriously over-priced. The extortionate additional cost (£4k cash + 50% increase in monthly payment😮) over and above your relatively new GS, is just not warranted in my opinion. If I were you, I'd continue to love the GS for what it is.....a very competent, high quality, premium motorcycle and leave the GSA to the posers, rich boys and Charlie Boorman wannabies. Take care.

    • @TheStammeringBiker
      @TheStammeringBiker  2 месяца назад

      I totally agree! I absolutely love my current bike 😎

  • @robertdyer2991
    @robertdyer2991 2 месяца назад +2

    don't know when this video was made but I think you will find that barnstormer have closed down gone bankrupt

  • @cpuuk
    @cpuuk 2 месяца назад +1

    There's always a new bike about to come out...

  • @martinhughes9769
    @martinhughes9769 2 месяца назад +3

    Nice video , i like BMs , but just like Triumph silly prices, 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

  • @j.bin_genex1927
    @j.bin_genex1927 2 месяца назад +1

    I plan gsa first Buy the gsa rear cjasis the thin tube is ugly than 1300gs. I prefer gs asa

  • @Gary-UBIQUE144
    @Gary-UBIQUE144 2 месяца назад +2

    I’m so glad I think it’s horrendous, I’ve seen it in the flesh, I’ve sat on it, I’ve ridden it, I still think it’s horrendous. It’s only my thoughts & opinion. We are all different. I’m keeping my gorgeous R1250GS Rallye Adventure.

  • @IanTed
    @IanTed 2 месяца назад +3

    No, should have bought a Ducati, I’ve had three GSs including a 1250 GSA. Too tall, too heavy (so was the 1250) and so fugly. My Multistrada is stunning, buying another.

  • @Pompomgrenade
    @Pompomgrenade 2 месяца назад +1

    😂 still prefer the 1200 ....

  • @GSXRI300
    @GSXRI300 16 дней назад +1

    no the adventure is heidious

  • @pbrigham
    @pbrigham 2 месяца назад +1

    25k for a bike, BMW is trying to make on bikes what they are losing on cars for the Chinese. Yeah, Chinese bikes motorcycles will be taken the market, is only a matter of time.

  • @Fatcatztravel1250
    @Fatcatztravel1250 15 дней назад +1

    MAJOR disappointment with the styling of the GSA1300. Ugly looking! New GS styling has made me look elsewhere for my next adventure bike! Ducati or Honda AT DCT. No more BMW for me!

    • @TheStammeringBiker
      @TheStammeringBiker  15 дней назад +1

      It’s growing on me a little but I still think the 1250 is better looking.

  • @reddog8145
    @reddog8145 2 месяца назад +11

    No fugly. Horrible looking thing. Seen it in the flesh and just don’t like it.

    • @Bikerbug2020
      @Bikerbug2020 2 месяца назад +2

      The BMW 2025 GSA, is not great but in real it is not as horrible as in pictures, still not handsome… but in 3 or 4 years it will look more normal.

    • @dvdh4937
      @dvdh4937 2 месяца назад

      Saw it in black and green today at BMW. Nothing ugly for me. 😊

  • @GPR111
    @GPR111 Месяц назад +1

    What ? Wait for an even uglier bike than the one you bought ...? 🤔

  • @phillippugh2161
    @phillippugh2161 2 месяца назад +1

    The gs adventure is butt ass ugly why would anyone buy that thing it's the same bike