I already decided and the answer is no. There is a better bike, I was wondering if GS catches up to Multistrada but it seems they were aiming more for the SAS instead. Somehow they felt the need to add so many electronic features such as the windshield which work worse than the manual ones (Triumph did a smart thing to remove it from their Tiger 1200), or combined brakes which make it hard to judge the force. They could have instead improved function of the suspension when riding fast or put a better clutch - KTM and Ducati have clutches that are much easier to modulate. Or redesign the electronic, the controls on GS were always a bit confusing and now are even more so. (Although ofc KTM and Ducati need the clutch more due to the boxer working from very low RPMs - something Multistrada tries to overcome with short gearing but only does maybe 80-90% job.) Since I'm quite tall, the GS being very small (even smaller than the 900) is also a con for me. Overall, is the GS a great and well made bike? Yes. Is Multistrada superior to it, apart from the price and fuel consumption? Also yes.
I personally wouldn't buy a big GS simply because my bike budget doesn't allow for it. My Tuareg does everything I need for half the price. BUT, I can still admit without any hard feelings, that the GSs are without any doubt the absolut Kings of allround motorcycles. Their capabilities are absolutely astonishing and I would congratulate anyone who told me that they just bought one
@@DILLIGER90I got my 2021 1250GS with 5k miles for $16,000. It had been a garage queen! If you can accept some risk of a used bike, which i think is minimal for the GS, then you can save a lot of money and still get one.
Ian, its so refreshing to see a RUclipsr who actually does their job! you put your money where your mouth is! the most in-depth honest reviews talking from a background of not taking a bike for a day or a weekend but actually living with a bike for a few months that you have purchased, I work in the motorcycle industry and I always push my customers to view your video's as they are to the point and informative! The fact that other channels do brief ill informed videos to the masses makes your content stand out! this channel isn't click bait material it is true informative automotive journalism. Keep up the Awesome work!
After 20 odd years of everyday riding, my last bike was a Transalp that I sold in 2011. Since then and for 12 years I haven't rode even once! Last week I decided to test ride the GS 1300. Went to the dealership, signed the papers, collected all my courage and jumped on the seat. And lo and behold the miracle happened, the whole riding program reloaded on my brain in one second! Off I go then, and the bike is a-m-a-z-i-n-g! What a beast of a machine! I would never have guessed technology went so far! I think I'm getting it! Thank you for this review!
48 mins is waffle free?! Just embrace the waffle. You like waffle. This is why you click. If you wanted waffle free, you would look up the MCN rating and read the first paragraph.
Ian, on RUclips you have to be one of (if not the most) serious bike reviewer and the most invested. You really put these bikes to the test all around and we thank you for that. Cheers from Greece!
I own a R1300GS, Trophy with all options. I absolutely love the power, torque and the overall handling. The adaptive cruise works great, blind spot monitors work great and the adaptive ride height works great. just over 1 month ago (bike has just over 2000 miles) I went outside to ride my bike, complete loss of any electrical power, couldn't even unlock the steering lock without a jump. I contacted BMW roadside assistance and they had a tow truck out within a few hours to have my bike taken to the nearest shop (same dealership I bought it from). My bike is still there. Bike arrived 09/04 and it's now 10/14. During its long stay at the shop they did the starter relay recall and then also noticed the rear suspension was saying the reservoir was over full. Dealership ordered the replacement reservoir for the suspension but it still has not arrived but sounds like an easy enough fix. However, the only reason the bike is even there is still not fixed even after being there for over a month. The service writer claims the techs are working with BMW trying to figure out the loss of power and why the battery went dead. At one point I was told the bike may have a 1/2 amp draw when all is off. Then I was told the tech may have read the instrument wrong. Anyways, I'm now working with BMW customer support on either getting a new bike entirely or them working directly with the dealer to get the issue resolved. Not here to bash the bike, I absolutely love it! Not sure anymore truly what to do now....not quite sure if trust it...what if more problems down the road. We'll see what is offered through BMW.
I just returned from a week long rental of a GS 1300 in Germany and Italy. I agree with all of your comments and critiques. It was the best bike I have ever ridden. We were 100% on roads and it handles awesome. By the way we had a member of Champ School along with us also on the GS. Nice informative, insightful, and balanced feedback video, Ian.
Adaptive seat height. I had an '05 Gs for 110,00Km over 10 years. At 5'8"1/2 the bike was always High. I learned how to handle it.Did coast to Coast tro Coast 2 up ...42 days on the road. The height and the top heaviness never disappeared.....Several years later I ride a 23 year old R 1150 R and the joy of reaching the ground comfortably!!!!! No more dropping anxiety. The height and the top heaviness never ever disa[pears. I sat on the 1300 with the adaptive suspension....Forgot i was on a Gs. I agree 10000% that it is a game changer.
TPMS needs to be on all bikes. Ian you're killing it. You talking about motorcycles, gear, and riding them is like a serenity sound generator. Soothes my soul. It keeps the motorcycle conversation going on days when it doesn't make sense to ride given life's routine. It's not easy to amass tons of subs in a relatively short timeframe in the motorcycle content segment, but keep going. Before you know it you'll be at a million and I think are the technical, realistic, and less-artsy equivalent of Fortnine. You have a niche and you're killing it. Let's goooooo!!!! BRAAAAAAP!!!
just cant stop laughing you must have more money than sense !! and yes I have had 4 G.S. models before I realized what a clown I had been !! the only good G.S. are the originals very early machines the rest are shit !! "for the price"
I just bought a couple used bikes from the local BMW dealer. I sat on the new GS. It was a lot heavier to get off the side stand than I thought it would be. I don't need the crazy power. I like my V85TT for the price and performance and weight.
Thank you. Best moto channel on YT and the web. Professional, detailed, straight forward. I rarely if ever pay YT folk. I do for this man. Please keep up the work.
I forgot to mention one thing that is super important to touring riders. Wind management. This thing has the best smooth flowing wind management of any bike I’ve ever rode. On my Harley’s and sport touring bikes I was always trying the latest shield or laminar lip in the quest to get smooth comfortable air without much success. The GS1300 just flat out kills it there. I dont even raise my electric shield up, it works so well! And a quick comment on pricing. Yes it’s a ton of money. But from what I see they hold their value a lot better than most anything else. My ktm and Triumphs dropped like a rock, and everyone knows how normal Ducati models values drop like a rock. 50k mile BMWs still sell used for good money. Who’s buying a used triumph/ktm/ducati with 50k on it? And be honest, I’ve owned and loved them all and I know from personal experience!
I test rode so many bikes before deciding on multistrada V4. I personally feel like there’s nothing out there that looks sensational and rides like a Ducati Multistrada V4S in adventure touring segment. On freeways, there is no discussion at all.
Im gonna test ride both next week to try and decide between the V4S and 1300! I had an old 850 and sold it for the 1250 but switched to a 1600 and going back now! Wondering if the forthcoming 1300 adventure would be worth it for me since I dont need more range but love more wind/rain protection.
Whether it's adventure touring or just good ol' road touring, the things that should be very first, on the very top of your priority list when choosing a bike for that purpose, are, in order; 1. Reliability, 2. Center of Gravity and Weight Distribution of the bike, 3. The ability to fix and/or replace most things on the bike by yourself anyplace/anytime, 4. Environmental and debris protection, 5. Ergonomics and 6. Suspension. And BMW R GS bikes already lose 3 out of these 6 very important check marks. Over the years I did a lot of touring and adventure touring around Europe and Asia, including almost the entire Trans Euro Trail (I did about 88,000 out of 106,000 kilometers of the TET) and many other famous trails and routes, on many different bikes and with many different groups and moto clubs. The amount of times we had to adjust/change routing or wait for/stop or even put our trip to a halt because of BMW GS (and KTM) bikes and riders is more than I can count, whether it was because of reliability issues, inability to fix something or deal with the issue on the spot or just something really simple that would be a non-issue on other bikes... ADV bikes from KTM, Ducati and BMW are more of a weekend/holiday road touring bike type, than anything else. There's a reason why the starbucks stereotype exists for these bikes 😅
@nogerboher5266 if youre taking the 1300gs, v4s and 890 SMT off my list does that mean you prefer the Japanese rides? Im also interested in the Transalp, Africa Twin, Tracer 9 and 800RE but none of the Japanese dealerships allow test rides. If i cant find one to rent I cant justify any price on something Ive never tried as my new daily commuter. :( such a bummer.
@@nogerboher5266I’m not sure I agree on the premise. While there are some limitations on roadside repairs with the newer GSs, mostly having to do with electronics, most of the mechanicals are easier to work on than many other bikes. I’ve had my 2012 R1200GSA since I bought it new at the end of 2011. It is still going strong. I took it on a solo BDR last summer, so reliability had to be there. Not a single issue. I had 2 other GSs before this one and no issues on them either. To be fair, the newer water cooled boxer GSs especially since the shift cam are more complicated mechanically. Would that be a night & day difference from the earlier GSs? It’s really not that uncommon for BMW bikes to reach well over 100K miles on them, many hitting 250K. I was on a day ride to two states away last weekend and one of the other GSs with us was an R1100GS with 115K miles. We also had a R1200GSA water cooled and a R1250GS plus a 2006 Goldwing & an RT. None of them had any issues.
@@BigRockMoto I appreciate that too, but these more and more expensive bikes are part of consumerism trend that may trap you in having to work harder and harder to have the newest and the greatest. Work hard, feel you deserve a reward, spend your money and then work even harder. And next year all over again. It is difficult to resist the temptation, but do you really have a better time? (saying this as a person who is also sensitive to all this and is trying to restrain) I know you pointed out the price extensively. Great review!
Ian, You are one of the few internet reviewers that I trust and turn to when I am considering a bike. Zack Courts of Daily rider is the other. There may be a few more but you and Zack give what seems to me to be honest, real world content. Thanks and don't change.
For me Ian your investigative journalism is the best on RUclips :) I couldn’t buy the 1300gs basically because I can’t afford one, I owned a 1200gsa te 2014, f800gs 2015, 1200GS TE Rallye 2018 an now an 1150 GSA which I’m now having to sell due to us downsizing our house with my dads stage 3b/4 prostate cancer. I 100% agree the T7 I sold to get our NX500 for my dad this week. To keep him riding bikes is in a different class to me of manageability. The T7s etc I put like you into the same heavyweight category as the 1150gsa I own :) Keep up the great work Ian :)
Ian, this is an awesome review. I am a 2022 GS1250 owner. I was in Riverside BMW on Saturday getting a new rear tire on Saturday and looking at the new bikes. They had a green one that really looked pretty nice. Hmmmmm.
You really do a good job with your reviews. This review on the 1300gs is full of useful information with none of the silly theatrical bull I've seen on other reviews. Keep doing what you're doing, and I'll keep watching.
For me it just comes down to price. My $4500 VStrom + $97 a year for insurance is basically free. Moving into a 30k bike and full coverage is a totally different ballgame. Work part time and ride the crap out of the Wee or get a full time job...Uhhh
Similar to me. I have a $6000 rally raid CB500x. Commute on it, pay $150/yr for insurance, and have a great time. Hard to not see massively diminishing returns in paying 4x that for a motorcycle no matter how great it is.
The cheapest bike is the only you own and the easiest way to ride less is to need to work to Pay for your new bike. Or: The more I work the more I look at ads of new bikes ^^
Yep, I am in Australia, so things are more expensive. But last year I bought my brand new wee for $14,000, insurance, I asked if they made a mistake 😂. Apparently the combination of a wee and 56 years old means I am a danger to no one 😮😂, my confidence at staying alive rose significantly. The front suspension is terrible, the bike is 10kg, 22 pounds, too heavy. But, love ❤️ love 🥰 love 🎉the engine.
@@DavidKD2050 The little Vstrom is a great bike. Just changing the battery and exhaust will probably get you halfway to 10kg without any real sacrifices apart from the dosh.
Nice job. I ordered one 6 weeks ago with all the right options and container ship arrived in NJ today. Rode 1300 with Edelweiss on Pyrenee ACT and it was terrific. Can’t wait, have boxes with LR bags, TaT rack and CW lights in the garage ready to go. Keep up the great reviews.
I opted for the black cast wheels. Better look and easier to clean HOWEVER I can’t get them to look clean. Even after spending time getting the road grime off they don’t appear clean. Just a dull grey/black. Best longish term review I’ve seen so far. Well done Ian. Class.
I ride just a ktm 390 adventure. I don't plan on owning any big bikes, but the videos are so interesting, you don't realise you've already watched 40 mins of a video. I literally have 2 other videos of yours in watch later after this one.
Thank you again for a great video. Your first 1300GS video convinced me to buy it, now I have it for 2 weeks and I already love it. Tomorrow I will have the run-in service done and than it is time to open that throttle up for the first time (for some reason I never did that on the test ride, never felt the urge I guess). This is my first bike after 9 years of a forced break (health) and I am so confident in riding it already. It is crazy. I personally like the front a lot. Right from the very first video that was released by BMW, but I understand it is personal. I don´t mind the controls except for not being backlit, but I am not used to the controls from older BMWs, so I have a slightly different view on it I guess. The comfort seems to be a topic. I have done a 6.5 hrs ride last weekend and I started to feel my but and right knee towards the end. Might be because I haven´t ridden in so long and might need to get some flexibility into my legs again. But we will see about it latest in August, when I do multiple trips with a couple of thousand km. In worst case I have Touratech, Wunderlich. Hornig and SW Motech here in Germany. One of them will be able to provide a good seat alternative for sure. By the way, on friday the GSA video will drop on the BMW Motorrad RUclips channel. From the light signature shown, it will have a similar front light but looks like thin stripes for aux lights. Really interested to see what it will bring besides the confirmed automatic gearbox option.
Thank you for the objective evaluations you do on these bikes. After a lifetime of riding mostly off road, competition at a high level, I bought a '23 KTM 890 Adventure S. I thought a lighter bike would be a little easier for me in my dotage (I'll be 70 the end of this year). I'm used to riding big horsepower. I was looking at the GS 1250, but bought the KTM because it was lighter and I stumbled on a deal that I couldn't refuse. With this review of the GS 1300, I'm going to re-visit the BMW for the electronics, the ride and handling. It's more than adequate for the off-roading I'll do with it. All I ride with the KTM is 98% on-road. Thank you for helping put a dent (BIG DENT) in my checking account. When you buy something expensive that returns high value in experience, and is actually what you want, one never thinks about the cost after the initial pain of buying it. As I've always said; "You can always get what you don't want, for less."
This is compelling if it were not God awful ugly. Went to test ride one and while seated, revved the throttle and the bike immediately felt off balance. Promptly got off and purchased the 2024 triple black GSA. You are the first sincerely favorable review I have seen on this bike.
You always are thorough! My 1250 has to last me for the rest of my life. I'm 67 so that might not be long!~ One thing you mentioned briefly but would make all the difference for me if I had to choose was specifically the foot pegs. I tried the very first Harley adventure bike before I bought my R1250 GSA. The peg setting and the combination of my old knees didn't work at all! Plus it took the Harley five tries to crank. My 2022 R 1250 GSA fits just right. For two years I haven't been able to stand up on the pegs like you young guys do. That is until I had a Radio Frequency ablation. They fried three nerves on each knee. (I told the Dr my nerves were already fried) Three days later I can stand up on the pegs. I'm not doing any S curves standing up and probably not going through waist deep water yet. But The fact is you mentioned the peg setting being different and that means a lot to older riders. Ian, I have met guys that want an adventure bike that stop me. They can tell me more about my bike than I know. That's because they can recall your videos practically word by word. They want to have a bike so bad but can't make the purchase just yet. Your videos are good for the riding world! Ride on!
Agree 100% on Hill Assist. Have it on my manual transmission car, too. On both it's seamless and I wouldn't want future manual transmission vehicles without this feature.
BigRock, congrats on your incredible new GS! I've been a fan of your channel since first watching your Africa twin reports a while back. I love your style of reports very much so not much to change i think, you have it nailed in a very genuine and authentic way. That GS is a beast - I find myself oddly drawn to it. I've had a 2014 Multistrada GT as my main bike (also a DR650 & 125 Monkey!) since new and found it more recently unreliable in that typical Italian way. I am 'nearly' certain I'll get either a '24 or '25MY Africa Twin ('25 supercharged?!) but you've got me 2nd guessing myself with this GS now. LOL, the way you spoke about the Africa Twin I thought THAT would be your forever bike 🙂The AT with DCT seemed like my dream bike with the tons of low-mid torque making up for the 'lowish' 100hp. Funny, 0-100kph times are within half a second compared with 1250GS! Anyway, we'll see what the '25MY brings. thank you for your great vid series of reports - you're one of the very best on YT no risk. Cheers from Sydney Australia.
Straight up no bull shit review. Spend time with it. I'm all in for safety. It's good to live life. Telelever. I first rode it on my '93 1100RS and there has been nothing like it since. Firm believer in it. Total control of the chassis. Never doubt it. All others are inferior in performance. I don't give an F what others think. Good vid. It's a great bike. The RT will be but I really want to see the new RS. will it have Telelever? Only hope so.
I'm looking for an adventure bike and thought I did not have to consider the 1300GS due to all of the bad reviews that I see on you tube. Now the most expensive bike is back in Play. Great review Ian!
I am a proud owner of r1300gs. great bike! after owning multistrada v4s, aprilia tuareg 660, and many, many other motorcycles, I am glad to say that I found my favorite machine. Of course, I will always prefer my KTM exc 500 f to GS if we are talking about serious off roading but for occasional trips to park camp grounds, fire roads, closed highways GS will do just fine. Love it. Somehow I even managed to put over 3k miles within first month of owning the bike :) great, great machine!
You know what my Man, BMW should give you a new 2025 model. I'm 100 percent certain that this Honest and Comprehensive Review has lead to people making the Decision to buy a new GS 1300.
You realize he buys all his bikes yeah? Other products sure, they may be sent for free, it's the nature of the review business. Manufacturer and reviewer both benefit.
@@TheItalianZone yeah I realize he bought the bike. But he doesn't buy all his products he reviews. You do realize that free product more likely results in an all-around positive review. That's just the nature of the beast.
they'd never do that, but even if they offered, I'd have to say no. i prefer to buy my own bikes. accepting a free bike would ruin any credibility I have.
Ian puts a lot of effort and thought into his work. I like to be acquainted with state-of-the-art moto technology and this is the best way I know to accomplish that. I’m not likely to buy a big adventure bike. They are interesting though. Thanks, ole channelmaster! I wish you well.
All valid points, I concur Ian. Price wise it’s up there, but so is everything else. I’ve owned a newer RT and honestly there’s something about these bikes, the quality of a BMW that made me feel good when riding them. Your bike is well optioned out and I’d do the same list to make it enjoyable indeed. Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this sweet bike, I’d keep it for a while longer, with that undetermined length of time myself also. Well played 😎
I totally agree with your conclusion. The 1300 GS is my first BMW, and having previously owned a Tiger 1200 Rally Pro, I can confidently say the GS is the best bike I've ever had. While the Tiger is excellent, the GS surpasses it with its superior engine, chassis, and dampers, which significantly enhance road handling. The comprehensive electronic package, including ACC, is another major advantage. However, it's not without its flaws. It's expensive compared to the Tiger 900 and similar models, although the Multistrada V4 is also costly.
Hello Ian,i always enjoy your opinion, i have a 23' GSA and come from a lifetime of Harley Davidson,got tired of cleaning after every ride and couldn't go down a dirt road for fear of messing it up,i love my bike,recently went on my first paid adventure ride,i learned a alot,it was 200 mi with 75 of that offroad with max 15 riders,the bike is heavy offroad if your a novice but im with you on the 1300,that front light just doesnt work for me,they are expensive but not much more than a nice Harley, im going keep my 23 and go adventuring,thanks for the superior content,keep up the good work you do and be safe
I think you do great reviews, I like your attention to detail. I have the same bike, and in the past I've had the 1200 and two 1250s, great bikes but as you said, this is better. Yes, the front light... well, I don't like it either but we will get used to it in the future, I am sure. The thing I like the most about the bike is the handling. The thing i like the least is the sound. Because it handles the way it does and the fact you can spend all day on it (today I've done 800 km, 500 on motorway and 300 on twisties) nothing else really matter for me. I have other bikes and over the years had many different bikes and I can say in all confidence: this is the best overall bike ever, as simple as that. So, that said, please leave the price alone... anyone who can afford one, will buy it and the guys who might not afford one right now they will buy it second hand and it will still be a great buy. They will then see the HUGE difference between the GS and the Tiger for example, at least on twisty roads. So, without slagging off any other makes, ugly light, high price and shitty soundtrack are not negative enough to outweigh what this bike does well and this is why it is the best and sells the way it does.
Great bike love mine I have Givi outback alloy luggage and have the Weiser Technik rear light modules and Denali brake light I also love the Adaptive ride height
I have a Gen 3 KTM 1290 SAS and would never trade it for any bike, including the 1300 GS, but there's no doubt the 1300 still a great bike, if priced exorbitantly high. Nice to know the sport touring tires were really good on this bike. I use my 1290 as just a big sport tourer with little to no offroad, so sport tourers are what I'm looking at putting once the factory tires are done, but will see. At any rate, glad you are enjoying this bike. Have fun with it!!
Good morning. First of all, congratulations for the serious and honest video review. I own an R1300GS Trophy, with complete road setup, and I basically agree with all your observations on the pros and cons. However, regarding saddle comfort and aesthetics my opinion is more positive. In general, I consider the 1300 improved compared to the 1250, let alone compared to my previous 1200 LC. Naturally, before buying it I tried the competition several times (Ducati and KTM in particular), but I understood that the R1300GS is more suited to my motorcycling expectations and needs. At the moment I am very satisfied. Warm greetings from Italy.
I just bought a 2024 BMW S1000 XR as a first «dip» into a more upright riding position after years on supersports and supernakeds. First BMW and wow, they are truly engineering marvels. Not quite ready to go all in on a GS, to become one of THEM just yet😅
Thanks a lot for your reviews, the hard work is appreciated. I have a settlement coming soon and I’ve always wanted a BMW GS Adventure and I’m seriously considering the 2025 R1300 GSA.
High praise from Ian. These really are the S-Class Mercedes of motorbikes. I agree entirely with the wheel comments. Spokes are old school and a pain in the butt these days.
Love your honesty! I bought the Trophy version w/ enduro pro, dynamic, adaptive height, el. screen, forged wheels, no adaptive cruise, no luggage, enduro rear seat and luggage plate. I like the front of it, probably since the screen is lower when I have no adaptive cruise. With the standard rear seat, it looks like an NC750 from the side, and thats ugly. I noticed the same as Ryan F9 with hill hold, but I talked to the dealer and read the user manual, so controlling the revs helps. I am not a friend of the gearbox yet ;-) and I do not like the Metzeler knobblies on the tarmac/asphalt. But overall I love the bike and really like the way it looks. I was surpriced over the US prices, about the same as in Norway. Norwegian prices are usually a bit higher than US prices.
Great Review! Thank You! Keep up your honest reporting. It’s so hard to find anymore.👏🏻 Practical analysis of Pros and Cons support our buying and crying less often. 🏍♾
I. LOVE. MINE. There is only one flaw, the dang seat angle. 100% agree it’s the best road going motorcycle. Checks all the boxes. I loved my Tiger 1200 Rally Explorer, loved my 1290R Super Adventure, Goldwing Tour DCT, Concours14, Speed Triple 1200RS etc etc my list is long. What a time to be a motorcyclist with so many great choices! I’ve never been a BMW fan despite demoing a ton over the years always considering them. After over 30 bikes this is my all time favorite. I’m just patiently waiting for my RDL seat date then I won’t be able to stay off this thing.
The GS has long had an adjustable seat angle by putting it in the high setting in the front and the low setting in the back. Is that no longer the case?
@youtubeaccount9058 nope. There's an adjustment but it's only at the back of the seat and it feels like it just pushes the middle area of the back up like a hump.
In my area the GS’s are ALL owned by older retirement age folks. The rest of us make do and have fun on the middleweight or small bikes for much less money.
All the money is in the hands of the older retirement age folks. They get more in pensions than we get for working. They own there houses outright. And most have around 40-50k in savings. My dad can't even spend all of his pension each month. And he goes to the pub with his mates most days and takes my mum out shopping and meals out.
After 30+ yrs of motorcycling and just about as many motorcycles, some shitty, some ok. When you get to an age where you have your life together and you are getting pickier with what you ride, you ponder things like, how many years do I have left? You want to experience what the best feels like. For those reasons and more, I just bought it. I am fully in love with this bike! BTW, one of my favorites was my 02 Dr650.
Superb video as always Ian. Looking forward to seeing how you get on over time. Huge congrats on reaching 250k subs, it's seriously well deserved. Your reviews are the best I have found anywhere. Cheers from the UK.
Absolutely the best review I’ve seen so far on the new GS. I’m waiting on the GSA and am seriously considering moving up from my GSA1200. The biggest concern you have given me is the ergonomics and seat comfort. At 6.2 and 220 I can’t afford less leg space and a harder seat. And at the price not wanting to upgrade the seat. I love all the new tech and strongly agree that the lack of control backlighting is ridiculous at this price. Jesus the Goldwing had it twenty years ago. We’ll see what this Friday brings and if the new GSA is what I hope for. Or I’ll be shopping for the last of the 1250’s.
@@andrewpeter6128 I hear you. I have the Touratech suspension and it's perfect in addition with too many other farkels I'd hate to buy again, but that is the moto paradox. I'm getting on Ian's page to having 1 bike do 3 things which would have me selling my K1600GTL and just using the GSA as a Touring bike as well. I need to start thinning the heard in my garage.
I too should thin the heard. However, even though my GSA does everything better than my 3 Italian jobs, the latter always puts a smile on my face. Yet, when a big trip arises and when I need to carry supplies and when the going gets tough; I commonly reach for the Bavarian.
I had the possibility to buy a 1300 but instead I’ve choosen the latest 1250 model…One of the last 3000 unis of the Ultimate Edition! For me it was very easy to choose!!! Regards from Portugal 🇵🇹
I decided between a 1300GS or a KTM 1290 SAS and ultimately got the KTM. The GS is great but I bought a new KTM 2023 Model from the Dealer in my spec version for less than 19k Euro. I got everything on it, teck pack, guards, fog-lights, all luggage cases etc. and was about 6-7k Euro cheaper than the BMW. Besides the KTM Engine puts the biggest smile on my Face. But interesting video from you, looking forward to your upcoming videos with the GS. Greets !
On the pro road riding section, you say how it is possibly the best on road experience of any bike. Can you describe how it compares to an RT? Thanks (owner of a ‘22RT)
I completely agree with you about the hill start control. When I first got it, I wasn't used to it, and I would deactivate it before pulling away because it felt jerky. However, after some time, it seemed to adapt and work seamlessly. Perhaps it has some kind of adaptive logic that learns from how you ride.
Good, comprehensive review as always and it is clear that you love the bike however, it seems you have watched so many negative videos that you felt it was necessary to defend the bike without thinking that other peoples experience have been completely different to yours. We can all be unlucky enough to end up buying a 🍋 through our buying history or even just have a bad experience on a test ride that puts us off buying a specific vehicle. We also have different opinions and we all need to keep that in mind. I say all that to say this, there is no need for you to defend any type of vehicle because people with common sense will already know that the vehicle is new and it may have recalls and besides, we all don't like the same thing. You seemed to get quite frustrated and almost angry about it. It's just a bike not, a family member on life support, so just chill out and let the negativity fade into the breeze. Keep up the good work and God bless. 👍🏿
Thanks for your insight, and for your true and honest opinion, you are helping us a lot, I shared all your videos with my friends, all of them are talking about buying one, and your videos really helps us out, thanks for the content
To combat the pricing: Buy used from an individual. Nationwide there will always be a near-new bike for sale privately. No tax, some depreciation, and if paying in cash to an overextended buyer needing out of a loan, good leverage for negotiating. Still have a factory warranty. As for the multi-bike aspect, agree 100%. It is a one and done garage for many. "already a pig anyway". Once again Ian, you nailed it.
As I’m getting older I moved to a Multi V2S after three GSs, if I bought another GS I would have the adaptive height feature as with a 29” inseam it would give me so much confidence at low speeds etc. I like the new look but I think the dash is over complicated, I’d rather use a button anytime. As usual a great real world review Ian, I’m certainly testing one next time but as a road rider I still prefer the Multi V4S. Luggage I’d choose SW-Motech, I’m a big fan of all their gear… PS. Agree with you re the front end but you can’t see it when you’re riding, regarding the price yes it’s too high but here in the UK it seems to be reducing for low mileage ex demo models etc.
Interesting feedback and honest review, thanks ! There's on thing you didn't mention I think, it is the removal of the brake light in favor of the dual function turn indicators. For someone riding everyday it is a real big issue in terms of security and rear visibility. I see some 1300GS on the road in the traffic, filtering before me and their rear visual signature is not good compared to other bikes and my 1200GS. It raises the risk of getting hit both by cars or other riders not paying the right attention. A strange decision when BMW added radar and auto cruise at the same time !
I agree. My riding buddies nearly rear ended me first time out as they couldn't see the indicators (blinkers?) when I was breaking. I fitted the Weiser Technik control unit and a Denali rear light and brake cluster (6 LEDs) that fits under the rear licence plate.
Ian, overall this is a great review. I have the an identical bike and I agree with almost all of you objective comments. You have come such a long way as a reviewer, congratulations. However, I know you don’t like the headlight, I do. No need to make it a major flaw. We all have eyes, we can form our own opinions. A mention would have been enough.
I found the Quickshifter to be absolute dog shit on the upshifts. Down shifts were fine. Upshifts damn near would launch me off the bike. Scared me shitless. Started just using the clutch.
I agree with you that adaptive ride-height is the perfect solution for shorter riders. I'm fairly tall, but locally I watch shorter riders mounting and dismounting their GS's, often with passengers, and I'm usually wincing in anticipation of a tip-over. While I think the GS is a great touring bike, I'm happy with my RT plus a DZR for the dirt. There is no way I'd take anything as heavy as the GS off-road. Too hard to pick up and too expensive to fix!
Solid video again Ian. Nice Job. I am struggling as I'm torn between the new 1300 GS or the Multistrada V4 Rally. Can you help break it down for me, which bike is better? I will long distance the one I choose and do light off roading as I also have a Norden which is pretty sweet off road. I am leaning towards the Multi Rally bc my dealer is 45 miles away versus 140 miles away from me and I think the ride and overall quality will be a tad better with the Ducati. I have had GS's before and they are special and I kind of bond with them but, this new V4 Rally just looks like the best in class bike to beat. I am going to look at it on Tues and possibly buy it then. Please help with your valuable experience. Thanks again. Maurice Haroche
Hello Ian, bottom line, these are very complex Machines, especially with the integration of all the electronics driver aids. Etc. When you consider how great that bike is, it's pretty amazing.
I totally agree with the design. I can’t talk about anything else as I have never even sat on it, but the design could have been amazing, if only they didn’t make the weirdest headlight.
Responding to your question "Would you buy the GS or something else? Why or why not?". Tricky one for me. I had a R1250GS, very competent bike although too heavy for me. I confess that I bought it out of a sort of "peer pressure", the mates I ride with all ride GSs. Did 36 000 km on it in two years. I never really bonded with the engine and the gearbox. The engine is flawless performance-wise. But I found it to be too noisy (specially on the highway) and very "mechanically busy". Switched to a Kawasaki Ninja 1000sx sport tourer. Fell in love with the unctuosity of the inline-4 and the perfect gearbox compared to the GS. The problem is that the roads are getting ever worse and on my trips with my friends we always tend to hit some unforeseen unpaved stints so, perfectly as the Ninja fits me, I'm gravitating back to the adventure segment. Would I buy the GS? Probably, if I can afford it (the price for one now is almost 10 000€ dearer than 5 years ago when I bought mine, even if there's more tech on it now). The adaptive ride hight and the ASA (the clutchless gearbox, I won't be riding a manual flat-twin again, I'm not convinced by their gearboxes) are pulling me towards it. Right now on paper, I would prefer the Africa Twin Adventure Sports but I haven't ridden either of the two bikes. Less power, yes, but I've read that it's pretty useful grunt what the AT produces and would cost me at least 8000€ less. Tough call. If possible I would rent each one for a weekend to make up my mind, just an hour of test riding isn't enough. That's why your work is very much appreciated. Regards
Thx for another great review Ian...I like my R1200GSA but the new R1300GS is my dream bike but I'd wait another year until first year bugs worked out..
And now - I reached the end of you video: I LIKE VERY MUCH, what you say regarding big adventure... I wait for a little 2 zylinder mini adventure bike less than 170kg... better 150kg - maybe ktm adventure 390 - and also, it shoulod be CHEAP enough, so that if I drop it I do not get into trouble... Great final summary!!!
Thank Ian, I appreciate review, however...... I do believe you will sell the GS within the next 15-18 months. It's just what you do! And we thank you for it!
Awesome vide! Great review. The best I have seen on the new GS. I remember when Porsche came out with that headlight on SUV's a couple years ago I noticed them. I don't anymore. Beautiful bike. Carl is the man! His channel is awesome. Best!
Hands down the best motorcycle I ever had. I traded my 2023 pikes peak for the GS1300. Super Easy. I fell like pro on it. There is definitely magic in the bike and I’m not kidding. I wish they make it into GS 1300 M package I hade the 1250 GS 3 years ago This one is way better. The only thing I regret is not getting the one with automatic suspension.
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Looking forward to picking up a used one in 2035 when they fall into my price range. 😁
Never a BMW, I'm not stupid. Only Honda or Japanese, reliability is key and I'm not paying 30k € for a boomer overpriced motorcycle.
Bought a Trophy, love it 👍
Would you buy a GS?
Never in my life will a Beemer park in my garage 🤷
I already decided and the answer is no. There is a better bike, I was wondering if GS catches up to Multistrada but it seems they were aiming more for the SAS instead.
Somehow they felt the need to add so many electronic features such as the windshield which work worse than the manual ones (Triumph did a smart thing to remove it from their Tiger 1200), or combined brakes which make it hard to judge the force. They could have instead improved function of the suspension when riding fast or put a better clutch - KTM and Ducati have clutches that are much easier to modulate. Or redesign the electronic, the controls on GS were always a bit confusing and now are even more so. (Although ofc KTM and Ducati need the clutch more due to the boxer working from very low RPMs - something Multistrada tries to overcome with short gearing but only does maybe 80-90% job.)
Since I'm quite tall, the GS being very small (even smaller than the 900) is also a con for me.
Overall, is the GS a great and well made bike? Yes. Is Multistrada superior to it, apart from the price and fuel consumption? Also yes.
I personally wouldn't buy a big GS simply because my bike budget doesn't allow for it. My Tuareg does everything I need for half the price.
BUT, I can still admit without any hard feelings, that the GSs are without any doubt the absolut Kings of allround motorcycles. Their capabilities are absolutely astonishing and I would congratulate anyone who told me that they just bought one
more like 1/3 of the price
@@DILLIGER90I got my 2021 1250GS with 5k miles for $16,000. It had been a garage queen! If you can accept some risk of a used bike, which i think is minimal for the GS, then you can save a lot of money and still get one.
Ian, its so refreshing to see a RUclipsr who actually does their job! you put your money where your mouth is! the most in-depth honest reviews talking from a background of not taking a bike for a day or a weekend but actually living with a bike for a few months that you have purchased, I work in the motorcycle industry and I always push my customers to view your video's as they are to the point and informative!
The fact that other channels do brief ill informed videos to the masses makes your content stand out! this channel isn't click bait material it is true informative automotive journalism.
Keep up the Awesome work!
thank you, that means a lot
After 20 odd years of everyday riding, my last bike was a Transalp that I sold in 2011. Since then and for 12 years I haven't rode even once! Last week I decided to test ride the GS 1300. Went to the dealership, signed the papers, collected all my courage and jumped on the seat. And lo and behold the miracle happened, the whole riding program reloaded on my brain in one second! Off I go then, and the bike is a-m-a-z-i-n-g! What a beast of a machine! I would never have guessed technology went so far! I think I'm getting it! Thank you for this review!
Awesome congrats
Ian, please don’t ever change your down to earth, concise and quickly informative waffle-free presentations.
No one ever presents me with free waffles.
I'm here tuesdays and thursdays @ Big rock comedy hour
48 mins is waffle free?! Just embrace the waffle. You like waffle. This is why you click. If you wanted waffle free, you would look up the MCN rating and read the first paragraph.
Ian, on RUclips you have to be one of (if not the most) serious bike reviewer and the most invested. You really put these bikes to the test all around and we thank you for that. Cheers from Greece!
thanks
I own a R1300GS, Trophy with all options. I absolutely love the power, torque and the overall handling. The adaptive cruise works great, blind spot monitors work great and the adaptive ride height works great. just over 1 month ago (bike has just over 2000 miles) I went outside to ride my bike, complete loss of any electrical power, couldn't even unlock the steering lock without a jump. I contacted BMW roadside assistance and they had a tow truck out within a few hours to have my bike taken to the nearest shop (same dealership I bought it from). My bike is still there. Bike arrived 09/04 and it's now 10/14. During its long stay at the shop they did the starter relay recall and then also noticed the rear suspension was saying the reservoir was over full. Dealership ordered the replacement reservoir for the suspension but it still has not arrived but sounds like an easy enough fix. However, the only reason the bike is even there is still not fixed even after being there for over a month. The service writer claims the techs are working with BMW trying to figure out the loss of power and why the battery went dead. At one point I was told the bike may have a 1/2 amp draw when all is off. Then I was told the tech may have read the instrument wrong. Anyways, I'm now working with BMW customer support on either getting a new bike entirely or them working directly with the dealer to get the issue resolved. Not here to bash the bike, I absolutely love it! Not sure anymore truly what to do now....not quite sure if trust it...what if more problems down the road. We'll see what is offered through BMW.
Chapters:
00:00 Intro
00:45 Negativity?
02:14 Luggage Recall
03:15 Pro: Adaptive Height
05:46 Pro: Radar
07:48 Pro: Tech
09:29 Pro: Telelever
10:33 Pro: New Suspension
12:47 Pro: Wind Protection
14:09 Tires
17:06 Pro: Road Handling
20:07 Pro: Off Road Ability
29:18 Pro: Heating
29:35 Pro: Lighting
30:15 Pro: Forged Wheels
31:46 Pro: Shifting
32:53 Con: Controls
34:34 Con: Comfort
37:14 Con: Rebound Damping
37:58 Con: TCS
39:09 Con: Styling
40:02 Con: Price
42:56 Conclusion
Ian is such a nice guy, I have a hard time picturing him being "brutal" about anything. 😁😃🤜🤛
BMW R1300GS 4-Month Mercifully mendacious OWNER REVIEW
Ian from other videos, the BMW GS was black ? Did you have two different bikes
This guy does really detailed careful and knowledgeable reviews. He should have way more subscribers.
I just returned from a week long rental of a GS 1300 in Germany and Italy. I agree with all of your comments and critiques. It was the best bike I have ever ridden. We were 100% on roads and it handles awesome. By the way we had a member of Champ School along with us also on the GS. Nice informative, insightful, and balanced feedback video, Ian.
Thanks for sharing!
Adaptive seat height. I had an '05 Gs for 110,00Km over 10 years. At 5'8"1/2 the bike was always High. I learned how to handle it.Did coast to Coast tro Coast 2 up ...42 days on the road. The height and the top heaviness never disappeared.....Several years later I ride a 23 year old R 1150 R and the joy of reaching the ground comfortably!!!!! No more dropping anxiety. The height and the top heaviness never ever disa[pears. I sat on the 1300 with the adaptive suspension....Forgot i was on a Gs. I agree 10000% that it is a game changer.
TPMS needs to be on all bikes. Ian you're killing it. You talking about motorcycles, gear, and riding them is like a serenity sound generator. Soothes my soul. It keeps the motorcycle conversation going on days when it doesn't make sense to ride given life's routine. It's not easy to amass tons of subs in a relatively short timeframe in the motorcycle content segment, but keep going. Before you know it you'll be at a million and I think are the technical, realistic, and less-artsy equivalent of Fortnine. You have a niche and you're killing it. Let's goooooo!!!! BRAAAAAAP!!!
thanks!
Less Crap and more Braaaaaasp!
One of the best reviews on the web for 1300
As a UK owner of a R1300GS TE, I can't disagree with any of that. Thank you for providing level headed, balanced and informative reviews.
just cant stop laughing you must have more money than sense !! and yes I have had 4 G.S. models before I realized what a clown I had been !! the only good G.S. are the originals very early machines the rest are shit !! "for the price"
It’s simple. Ian your the most honest reviewer. That is a rare commodity across the globe now days. Thanks again for what you do.
I appreciate that!
I just bought a couple used bikes from the local BMW dealer. I sat on the new GS. It was a lot heavier to get off the side stand than I thought it would be. I don't need the crazy power. I like my V85TT for the price and performance and weight.
Thank you. Best moto channel on YT and the web. Professional, detailed, straight forward. I rarely if ever pay YT folk. I do for this man. Please keep up the work.
I forgot to mention one thing that is super important to touring riders. Wind management. This thing has the best smooth flowing wind management of any bike I’ve ever rode. On my Harley’s and sport touring bikes I was always trying the latest shield or laminar lip in the quest to get smooth comfortable air without much success. The GS1300 just flat out kills it there. I dont even raise my electric shield up, it works so well!
And a quick comment on pricing. Yes it’s a ton of money. But from what I see they hold their value a lot better than most anything else. My ktm and Triumphs dropped like a rock, and everyone knows how normal Ducati models values drop like a rock. 50k mile BMWs still sell used for good money. Who’s buying a used triumph/ktm/ducati with 50k on it? And be honest, I’ve owned and loved them all and I know from personal experience!
I test rode so many bikes before deciding on multistrada V4. I personally feel like there’s nothing out there that looks sensational and rides like a Ducati Multistrada V4S in adventure touring segment. On freeways, there is no discussion at all.
Im gonna test ride both next week to try and decide between the V4S and 1300! I had an old 850 and sold it for the 1250 but switched to a 1600 and going back now! Wondering if the forthcoming 1300 adventure would be worth it for me since I dont need more range but love more wind/rain protection.
Whether it's adventure touring or just good ol' road touring, the things that should be very first, on the very top of your priority list when choosing a bike for that purpose, are, in order;
1. Reliability,
2. Center of Gravity and Weight Distribution of the bike,
3. The ability to fix and/or replace most things on the bike by yourself anyplace/anytime,
4. Environmental and debris protection,
5. Ergonomics and
6. Suspension.
And BMW R GS bikes already lose 3 out of these 6 very important check marks.
Over the years I did a lot of touring and adventure touring around Europe and Asia, including almost the entire Trans Euro Trail (I did about 88,000 out of 106,000 kilometers of the TET) and many other famous trails and routes, on many different bikes and with many different groups and moto clubs. The amount of times we had to adjust/change routing or wait for/stop or even put our trip to a halt because of BMW GS (and KTM) bikes and riders is more than I can count, whether it was because of reliability issues, inability to fix something or deal with the issue on the spot or just something really simple that would be a non-issue on other bikes...
ADV bikes from KTM, Ducati and BMW are more of a weekend/holiday road touring bike type, than anything else. There's a reason why the starbucks stereotype exists for these bikes 😅
@nogerboher5266 if youre taking the 1300gs, v4s and 890 SMT off my list does that mean you prefer the Japanese rides? Im also interested in the Transalp, Africa Twin, Tracer 9 and 800RE but none of the Japanese dealerships allow test rides. If i cant find one to rent I cant justify any price on something Ive never tried as my new daily commuter. :( such a bummer.
@@nogerboher5266I’m not sure I agree on the premise. While there are some limitations on roadside repairs with the newer GSs, mostly having to do with electronics, most of the mechanicals are easier to work on than many other bikes. I’ve had my 2012 R1200GSA since I bought it new at the end of 2011. It is still going strong. I took it on a solo BDR last summer, so reliability had to be there. Not a single issue. I had 2 other GSs before this one and no issues on them either.
To be fair, the newer water cooled boxer GSs especially since the shift cam are more complicated mechanically. Would that be a night & day difference from the earlier GSs? It’s really not that uncommon for BMW bikes to reach well over 100K miles on them, many hitting 250K. I was on a day ride to two states away last weekend and one of the other GSs with us was an R1100GS with 115K miles. We also had a R1200GSA water cooled and a R1250GS plus a 2006 Goldwing & an RT. None of them had any issues.
Ian, I am glad you are keeping your bike. You work hard, and you deserve the best
I appreciate that!
@@BigRockMoto I appreciate that too, but these more and more expensive bikes are part of consumerism trend that may trap you in having to work harder and harder to have the newest and the greatest. Work hard, feel you deserve a reward, spend your money and then work even harder. And next year all over again. It is difficult to resist the temptation, but do you really have a better time? (saying this as a person who is also sensitive to all this and is trying to restrain) I know you pointed out the price extensively. Great review!
yeshe does work hard but he would be better off with another make !!! without any doubt !!!!!!!!!
Ian, You are one of the few internet reviewers that I trust and turn to when I am considering a bike. Zack Courts of Daily rider is the other. There may be a few more but you and Zack give what seems to me to be honest, real world content. Thanks and don't change.
Best statement when it comes to weight and off roads! Love it!
Outstanding review. Honest and objective. Far, far away from all the click bait we see. Awaiting the next part impatiently.
For me Ian your investigative journalism is the best on RUclips :) I couldn’t buy the 1300gs basically because I can’t afford one, I owned a 1200gsa te 2014, f800gs 2015, 1200GS TE Rallye 2018 an now an 1150 GSA which I’m now having to sell due to us downsizing our house with my dads stage 3b/4 prostate cancer.
I 100% agree the T7 I sold to get our NX500 for my dad this week. To keep him riding bikes is in a different class to me of manageability.
The T7s etc I put like you into the same heavyweight category as the 1150gsa I own :)
Keep up the great work Ian :)
Ian, this is an awesome review. I am a 2022 GS1250 owner. I was in Riverside BMW on Saturday getting a new rear tire on Saturday and looking at the new bikes. They had a green one that really looked pretty nice. Hmmmmm.
You really do a good job with your reviews. This review on the 1300gs is full of useful information with none of the silly theatrical bull I've seen on other reviews. Keep doing what you're doing, and I'll keep watching.
For me it just comes down to price. My $4500 VStrom + $97 a year for insurance is basically free. Moving into a 30k bike and full coverage is a totally different ballgame. Work part time and ride the crap out of the Wee or get a full time job...Uhhh
Similar to me. I have a $6000 rally raid CB500x. Commute on it, pay $150/yr for insurance, and have a great time. Hard to not see massively diminishing returns in paying 4x that for a motorcycle no matter how great it is.
The cheapest bike is the only you own and the easiest way to ride less is to need to work to Pay for your new bike.
Or:
The more I work the more I look at ads of new bikes ^^
I'll stick with my dr650.
Yep, I am in Australia, so things are more expensive. But last year I bought my brand new wee for $14,000, insurance, I asked if they made a mistake 😂. Apparently the combination of a wee and 56 years old means I am a danger to no one 😮😂, my confidence at staying alive rose significantly. The front suspension is terrible, the bike is 10kg, 22 pounds, too heavy. But, love ❤️ love 🥰 love 🎉the engine.
@@DavidKD2050 The little Vstrom is a great bike. Just changing the battery and exhaust will probably get you halfway to 10kg without any real sacrifices apart from the dosh.
Nice job. I ordered one 6 weeks ago with all the right options and container ship arrived in NJ today. Rode 1300 with Edelweiss on Pyrenee ACT and it was terrific. Can’t wait, have boxes with LR bags, TaT rack and CW lights in the garage ready to go. Keep up the great reviews.
I opted for the black cast wheels. Better look and easier to clean HOWEVER I can’t get them to look clean. Even after spending time getting the road grime off they don’t appear clean. Just a dull grey/black. Best longish term review I’ve seen so far. Well done Ian. Class.
I ride just a ktm 390 adventure. I don't plan on owning any big bikes, but the videos are so interesting, you don't realise you've already watched 40 mins of a video. I literally have 2 other videos of yours in watch later after this one.
Thank you again for a great video. Your first 1300GS video convinced me to buy it, now I have it for 2 weeks and I already love it. Tomorrow I will have the run-in service done and than it is time to open that throttle up for the first time (for some reason I never did that on the test ride, never felt the urge I guess). This is my first bike after 9 years of a forced break (health) and I am so confident in riding it already. It is crazy.
I personally like the front a lot. Right from the very first video that was released by BMW, but I understand it is personal. I don´t mind the controls except for not being backlit, but I am not used to the controls from older BMWs, so I have a slightly different view on it I guess.
The comfort seems to be a topic. I have done a 6.5 hrs ride last weekend and I started to feel my but and right knee towards the end. Might be because I haven´t ridden in so long and might need to get some flexibility into my legs again. But we will see about it latest in August, when I do multiple trips with a couple of thousand km. In worst case I have Touratech, Wunderlich. Hornig and SW Motech here in Germany. One of them will be able to provide a good seat alternative for sure.
By the way, on friday the GSA video will drop on the BMW Motorrad RUclips channel. From the light signature shown, it will have a similar front light but looks like thin stripes for aux lights. Really interested to see what it will bring besides the confirmed automatic gearbox option.
Thank you for the objective evaluations you do on these bikes. After a lifetime of riding mostly off road, competition at a high level, I bought a '23 KTM 890 Adventure S. I thought a lighter bike would be a little easier for me in my dotage (I'll be 70 the end of this year). I'm used to riding big horsepower. I was looking at the GS 1250, but bought the KTM because it was lighter and I stumbled on a deal that I couldn't refuse. With this review of the GS 1300, I'm going to re-visit the BMW for the electronics, the ride and handling. It's more than adequate for the off-roading I'll do with it. All I ride with the KTM is 98% on-road. Thank you for helping put a dent (BIG DENT) in my checking account. When you buy something expensive that returns high value in experience, and is actually what you want, one never thinks about the cost after the initial pain of buying it. As I've always said; "You can always get what you don't want, for less."
This is compelling if it were not God awful ugly. Went to test ride one and while seated, revved the throttle and the bike immediately felt off balance. Promptly got off and purchased the 2024 triple black GSA. You are the first sincerely favorable review I have seen on this bike.
You always are thorough! My 1250 has to last me for the rest of my life. I'm 67 so that might not be long!~ One thing you mentioned briefly but would make all the difference for me if I had to choose was specifically the foot pegs. I tried the very first Harley adventure bike before I bought my R1250 GSA. The peg setting and the combination of my old knees didn't work at all! Plus it took the Harley five tries to crank. My 2022 R 1250 GSA fits just right. For two years I haven't been able to stand up on the pegs like you young guys do. That is until I had a Radio Frequency ablation. They fried three nerves on each knee. (I told the Dr my nerves were already fried) Three days later I can stand up on the pegs. I'm not doing any S curves standing up and probably not going through waist deep water yet. But The fact is you mentioned the peg setting being different and that means a lot to older riders. Ian, I have met guys that want an adventure bike that stop me. They can tell me more about my bike than I know. That's because they can recall your videos practically word by word. They want to have a bike so bad but can't make the purchase just yet. Your videos are good for the riding world! Ride on!
GS/GSA, 690 and 350 - perfect Trifecta I totally agree!
Agree 100% on Hill Assist. Have it on my manual transmission car, too. On both it's seamless and I wouldn't want future manual transmission vehicles without this feature.
BigRock, congrats on your incredible new GS! I've been a fan of your channel since first watching your Africa twin reports a while back. I love your style of reports very much so not much to change i think, you have it nailed in a very genuine and authentic way. That GS is a beast - I find myself oddly drawn to it. I've had a 2014 Multistrada GT as my main bike (also a DR650 & 125 Monkey!) since new and found it more recently unreliable in that typical Italian way. I am 'nearly' certain I'll get either a '24 or '25MY Africa Twin ('25 supercharged?!) but you've got me 2nd guessing myself with this GS now. LOL, the way you spoke about the Africa Twin I thought THAT would be your forever bike 🙂The AT with DCT seemed like my dream bike with the tons of low-mid torque making up for the 'lowish' 100hp. Funny, 0-100kph times are within half a second compared with 1250GS! Anyway, we'll see what the '25MY brings. thank you for your great vid series of reports - you're one of the very best on YT no risk. Cheers from Sydney Australia.
Straight up no bull shit review. Spend time with it. I'm all in for safety. It's good to live life. Telelever. I first rode it on my '93 1100RS and there has been nothing like it since. Firm believer in it. Total control of the chassis. Never doubt it. All others are inferior in performance. I don't give an F what others think. Good vid. It's a great bike. The RT will be but I really want to see the new RS. will it have Telelever? Only hope so.
Being a subscriber, and having viewed your videos, I think this is the best. So we’ll done Ian.
Thank you.
Wow, thanks
Terrific comprehensive review. I love my 1250GSA for all the reasons you mentioned towards the end. They’re great all around bikes. Happy trails.
I'm looking for an adventure bike and thought I did not have to consider the 1300GS due to all of the bad reviews that I see on you tube. Now the most expensive bike is back in Play. Great review Ian!
The bad reviews are mostly from people who haven't tested the bike long enough.
I am a proud owner of r1300gs. great bike! after owning multistrada v4s, aprilia tuareg 660, and many, many other motorcycles, I am glad to say that I found my favorite machine. Of course, I will always prefer my KTM exc 500 f to GS if we are talking about serious off roading but for occasional trips to park camp grounds, fire roads, closed highways GS will do just fine. Love it. Somehow I even managed to put over 3k miles within first month of owning the bike :) great, great machine!
You know what my Man, BMW should give you a new 2025 model. I'm 100 percent certain that this Honest and Comprehensive Review has lead to people making the Decision to buy a new GS 1300.
That's his objective.
Get a free product and once he gets it, he'll do a bias review on it.
@@Solo_adv He seems like an Honest Man to me.
You realize he buys all his bikes yeah? Other products sure, they may be sent for free, it's the nature of the review business. Manufacturer and reviewer both benefit.
@@TheItalianZone yeah I realize he bought the bike. But he doesn't buy all his products he reviews. You do realize that free product more likely results in an all-around positive review. That's just the nature of the beast.
they'd never do that, but even if they offered, I'd have to say no. i prefer to buy my own bikes. accepting a free bike would ruin any credibility I have.
Ian puts a lot of effort and thought into his work. I like to be acquainted with state-of-the-art moto technology and this is the best way I know to accomplish that.
I’m not likely to buy a big adventure bike. They are interesting though.
Thanks, ole channelmaster! I wish you well.
Great review Ian. Best adventure bike channel on RUclips
All valid points, I concur Ian. Price wise it’s up there, but so is everything else. I’ve owned a newer RT and honestly there’s something about these bikes, the quality of a BMW that made me feel good when riding them. Your bike is well optioned out and I’d do the same list to make it enjoyable indeed.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this sweet bike, I’d keep it for a while longer, with that undetermined length of time myself also. Well played 😎
I totally agree with your conclusion. The 1300 GS is my first BMW, and having previously owned a Tiger 1200 Rally Pro, I can confidently say the GS is the best bike I've ever had. While the Tiger is excellent, the GS surpasses it with its superior engine, chassis, and dampers, which significantly enhance road handling. The comprehensive electronic package, including ACC, is another major advantage. However, it's not without its flaws. It's expensive compared to the Tiger 900 and similar models, although the Multistrada V4 is also costly.
well said
Thanks Ian. It is amazing bike. Your thorough review reflects many of my own thoughts after a week of extremely hard on/off road abuse.
awesome
Hello Ian,i always enjoy your opinion, i have a 23' GSA and come from a lifetime of Harley Davidson,got tired of cleaning after every ride and couldn't go down a dirt road for fear of messing it up,i love my bike,recently went on my first paid adventure ride,i learned a alot,it was 200 mi with 75 of that offroad with max 15 riders,the bike is heavy offroad if your a novice but im with you on the 1300,that front light just doesnt work for me,they are expensive but not much more than a nice Harley, im going keep my 23 and go adventuring,thanks for the superior content,keep up the good work you do and be safe
I think you do great reviews, I like your attention to detail. I have the same bike, and in the past I've had the 1200 and two 1250s, great bikes but as you said, this is better. Yes, the front light... well, I don't like it either but we will get used to it in the future, I am sure. The thing I like the most about the bike is the handling. The thing i like the least is the sound. Because it handles the way it does and the fact you can spend all day on it (today I've done 800 km, 500 on motorway and 300 on twisties) nothing else really matter for me. I have other bikes and over the years had many different bikes and I can say in all confidence: this is the best overall bike ever, as simple as that. So, that said, please leave the price alone... anyone who can afford one, will buy it and the guys who might not afford one right now they will buy it second hand and it will still be a great buy. They will then see the HUGE difference between the GS and the Tiger for example, at least on twisty roads. So, without slagging off any other makes, ugly light, high price and shitty soundtrack are not negative enough to outweigh what this bike does well and this is why it is the best and sells the way it does.
Great bike love mine I have Givi outback alloy luggage and have the Weiser Technik rear light modules and Denali brake light
I also love the Adaptive ride height
I have a Gen 3 KTM 1290 SAS and would never trade it for any bike, including the 1300 GS, but there's no doubt the 1300 still a great bike, if priced exorbitantly high. Nice to know the sport touring tires were really good on this bike. I use my 1290 as just a big sport tourer with little to no offroad, so sport tourers are what I'm looking at putting once the factory tires are done, but will see.
At any rate, glad you are enjoying this bike. Have fun with it!!
Good morning.
First of all, congratulations for the serious and honest video review.
I own an R1300GS Trophy, with complete road setup, and I basically agree with all your observations on the pros and cons. However, regarding saddle comfort and aesthetics my opinion is more positive.
In general, I consider the 1300 improved compared to the 1250, let alone compared to my previous 1200 LC.
Naturally, before buying it I tried the competition several times (Ducati and KTM in particular), but I understood that the R1300GS is more suited to my motorcycling expectations and needs.
At the moment I am very satisfied.
Warm greetings from Italy.
I just bought a 2024 BMW S1000 XR as a first «dip» into a more upright riding position after years on supersports and supernakeds. First BMW and wow, they are truly engineering marvels. Not quite ready to go all in on a GS, to become one of THEM just yet😅
Thanks a lot for your reviews, the hard work is appreciated. I have a settlement coming soon and I’ve always wanted a BMW GS Adventure and I’m seriously considering the 2025 R1300 GSA.
Smooth airflow and no wobbles from 0 to topspeed are my top priorities.
U r the best. Love what u cram into your videos.Thank you!
High praise from Ian. These really are the S-Class Mercedes of motorbikes. I agree entirely with the wheel comments. Spokes are old school and a pain in the butt these days.
Great video, as usual very professional contents ! BRAVO !
Love your honesty! I bought the Trophy version w/ enduro pro, dynamic, adaptive height, el. screen, forged wheels, no adaptive cruise, no luggage, enduro rear seat and luggage plate. I like the front of it, probably since the screen is lower when I have no adaptive cruise. With the standard rear seat, it looks like an NC750 from the side, and thats ugly. I noticed the same as Ryan F9 with hill hold, but I talked to the dealer and read the user manual, so controlling the revs helps. I am not a friend of the gearbox yet ;-) and I do not like the Metzeler knobblies on the tarmac/asphalt. But overall I love the bike and really like the way it looks. I was surpriced over the US prices, about the same as in Norway. Norwegian prices are usually a bit higher than US prices.
Great Review! Thank You!
Keep up your honest reporting. It’s so hard to find anymore.👏🏻
Practical analysis of Pros and Cons support our buying and crying less often. 🏍♾
I. LOVE. MINE. There is only one flaw, the dang seat angle. 100% agree it’s the best road going motorcycle. Checks all the boxes. I loved my Tiger 1200 Rally Explorer, loved my 1290R Super Adventure, Goldwing Tour DCT, Concours14, Speed Triple 1200RS etc etc my list is long. What a time to be a motorcyclist with so many great choices! I’ve never been a BMW fan despite demoing a ton over the years always considering them. After over 30 bikes this is my all time favorite. I’m just patiently waiting for my RDL seat date then I won’t be able to stay off this thing.
The GS has long had an adjustable seat angle by putting it in the high setting in the front and the low setting in the back. Is that no longer the case?
@youtubeaccount9058 nope. There's an adjustment but it's only at the back of the seat and it feels like it just pushes the middle area of the back up like a hump.
In my area the GS’s are ALL owned by older retirement age folks. The rest of us make do and have fun on the middleweight or small bikes for much less money.
All the money is in the hands of the older retirement age folks. They get more in pensions than we get for working. They own there houses outright. And most have around 40-50k in savings. My dad can't even spend all of his pension each month. And he goes to the pub with his mates most days and takes my mum out shopping and meals out.
@@chrishart8548 what country are you in?
@@On2wheels94 UK
@@chrishart8548 interesting. Here in america its common to see people who should be retired still working. Kind of the opposite problem.
After 30+ yrs of motorcycling and just about as many motorcycles, some shitty, some ok. When you get to an age where you have your life together and you are getting pickier with what you ride, you ponder things like, how many years do I have left? You want to experience what the best feels like. For those reasons and more, I just bought it. I am fully in love with this bike! BTW, one of my favorites was my 02 Dr650.
Brilliant, honest, in depth revue. Enjoyed it!
Good job! I learned a lot about r1300gs …my dream bike!
Superb video as always Ian. Looking forward to seeing how you get on over time. Huge congrats on reaching 250k subs, it's seriously well deserved. Your reviews are the best I have found anywhere. Cheers from the UK.
Thanks a ton!
Absolute best reviews period. Find me a better review. I’ll wait. Great stuff as always. So thorough.
Absolutely the best review I’ve seen so far on the new GS. I’m waiting on the GSA and am seriously considering moving up from my GSA1200. The biggest concern you have given me is the ergonomics and seat comfort. At 6.2 and 220 I can’t afford less leg space and a harder seat. And at the price not wanting to upgrade the seat. I love all the new tech and strongly agree that the lack of control backlighting is ridiculous at this price. Jesus the Goldwing had it twenty years ago. We’ll see what this Friday brings and if the new GSA is what I hope for. Or I’ll be shopping for the last of the 1250’s.
I’ve got a later model 2018 1200 GSA with Tractive suspension.
I’ve not yet been convinced I want a more complicated; higher compression engine moto.
@@andrewpeter6128 I hear you. I have the Touratech suspension and it's perfect in addition with too many other farkels I'd hate to buy again, but that is the moto paradox. I'm getting on Ian's page to having 1 bike do 3 things which would have me selling my K1600GTL and just using the GSA as a Touring bike as well. I need to start thinning the heard in my garage.
I too should thin the heard. However, even though my GSA does everything better than my 3 Italian jobs, the latter always puts a smile on my face.
Yet, when a big trip arises and when I need to carry supplies and when the going gets tough; I commonly reach for the Bavarian.
@@andrewpeter6128 I totally agree on all your points. 😀
I had the possibility to buy a 1300 but instead I’ve choosen the latest 1250 model…One of the last 3000 unis of the Ultimate Edition! For me it was very easy to choose!!!
Regards from Portugal 🇵🇹
Really enjoyed your review. Yes indeed the GS is a swiss knife. Waiting for the GSA to decide which one to get.
I decided between a 1300GS or a KTM 1290 SAS and ultimately got the KTM. The GS is great but I bought a new KTM 2023 Model from the Dealer in my spec version for less than 19k Euro. I got everything on it, teck pack, guards, fog-lights, all luggage cases etc. and was about 6-7k Euro cheaper than the BMW. Besides the KTM Engine puts the biggest smile on my Face.
But interesting video from you, looking forward to your upcoming videos with the GS. Greets !
Gotta be in the top 5 worldwide on RUclips reviewers of bikes u mate! Great job 👏
Wow, thanks!
Another excellent video. Thanks so much. Best wishes from Australia. 👍
I have one and I’m in love with the thing. Your review is spot on, good work. My only problem, so far, was a loose headlight fastener.
On the pro road riding section, you say how it is possibly the best on road experience of any bike. Can you describe how it compares to an RT? Thanks (owner of a ‘22RT)
I completely agree with you about the hill start control. When I first got it, I wasn't used to it, and I would deactivate it before pulling away because it felt jerky. However, after some time, it seemed to adapt and work seamlessly. Perhaps it has some kind of adaptive logic that learns from how you ride.
Good, comprehensive review as always and it is clear that you love the bike however, it seems you have watched so many negative videos that you felt it was necessary to defend the bike without thinking that other peoples experience have been completely different to yours. We can all be unlucky enough to end up buying a 🍋 through our buying history or even just have a bad experience on a test ride that puts us off buying a specific vehicle. We also have different opinions and we all need to keep that in mind. I say all that to say this, there is no need for you to defend any type of vehicle because people with common sense will already know that the vehicle is new and it may have recalls and besides, we all don't like the same thing.
You seemed to get quite frustrated and almost angry about it. It's just a bike not, a family member on life support, so just chill out and let the negativity fade into the breeze.
Keep up the good work and God bless. 👍🏿
Thanks for your insight, and for your true and honest opinion, you are helping us a lot, I shared all your videos with my friends, all of them are talking about buying one, and your videos really helps us out, thanks for the content
awesome!
To combat the pricing: Buy used from an individual. Nationwide there will always be a near-new bike for sale privately. No tax, some depreciation, and if paying in cash to an overextended buyer needing out of a loan, good leverage for negotiating. Still have a factory warranty. As for the multi-bike aspect, agree 100%. It is a one and done garage for many. "already a pig anyway". Once again Ian, you nailed it.
great point
Another terrific and comprehensive review. Thank you!
As I’m getting older I moved to a Multi V2S after three GSs, if I bought another GS I would have the adaptive height feature as with a 29” inseam it would give me so much confidence at low speeds etc. I like the new look but I think the dash is over complicated, I’d rather use a button anytime. As usual a great real world review Ian, I’m certainly testing one next time but as a road rider I still prefer the Multi V4S. Luggage I’d choose SW-Motech, I’m a big fan of all their gear…
PS. Agree with you re the front end but you can’t see it when you’re riding, regarding the price yes it’s too high but here in the UK it seems to be reducing for low mileage ex demo models etc.
Interesting feedback and honest review, thanks !
There's on thing you didn't mention I think, it is the removal of the brake light in favor of the dual function turn indicators. For someone riding everyday it is a real big issue in terms of security and rear visibility. I see some 1300GS on the road in the traffic, filtering before me and their rear visual signature is not good compared to other bikes and my 1200GS. It raises the risk of getting hit both by cars or other riders not paying the right attention. A strange decision when BMW added radar and auto cruise at the same time !
I agree. My riding buddies nearly rear ended me first time out as they couldn't see the indicators (blinkers?) when I was breaking. I fitted the Weiser Technik control unit and a Denali rear light and brake cluster (6 LEDs) that fits under the rear licence plate.
@@neilpatterson458 Wise choice ! Ride safe V
You are the best, Ian. Thank you for all you do. 👊
Ian, overall this is a great review. I have the an identical bike and I agree with almost all of you objective comments. You have come such a long way as a reviewer, congratulations. However, I know you don’t like the headlight, I do. No need to make it a major flaw. We all have eyes, we can form our own opinions. A mention would have been enough.
I always love your honest opinion. I'm going to go test ride the GS1300 soon and the GS900 but I think I will get the 1300.
I found the Quickshifter to be absolute dog shit on the upshifts. Down shifts were fine. Upshifts damn near would launch me off the bike. Scared me shitless. Started just using the clutch.
Might be an issue, mine upshifts pretty darn smooth. That doesn't sound right at all!
Get it checked. Note what happens when and email to the suppling garage so they know you are serious
Thanks Ian. Interested in this. Hope to buy one one day! You're so good on what you do. Lucky to have you on the web!
I agree with you that adaptive ride-height is the perfect solution for shorter riders. I'm fairly tall, but locally I watch shorter riders mounting and dismounting their GS's, often with passengers, and I'm usually wincing in anticipation of a tip-over. While I think the GS is a great touring bike, I'm happy with my RT plus a DZR for the dirt. There is no way I'd take anything as heavy as the GS off-road. Too hard to pick up and too expensive to fix!
Is it a stupid move to remove the tail light / brake light cluster . Safety wise
Solid video again Ian. Nice Job. I am struggling as I'm torn between the new 1300 GS or the Multistrada V4 Rally.
Can you help break it down for me, which bike is better? I will long distance the one I choose and do light off roading as I also have a Norden which is pretty sweet off road. I am leaning towards the Multi Rally bc my dealer is 45 miles away versus 140 miles away from me and I think the ride and overall quality will be a tad better with the Ducati. I have had GS's before and they are special and I kind of bond with them but, this new V4 Rally just looks like the best in class bike to beat. I am going to look at it on Tues and possibly buy it then. Please help with your valuable experience. Thanks again. Maurice Haroche
Get the Ducati mate, that thing is a riot to ride.
Hello Ian, bottom line, these are very complex Machines, especially with the integration of all the electronics driver aids. Etc.
When you consider how great that bike is, it's pretty amazing.
I totally agree with the design. I can’t talk about anything else as I have never even sat on it, but the design could have been amazing, if only they didn’t make the weirdest headlight.
Responding to your question "Would you buy the GS or something else? Why or why not?". Tricky one for me. I had a R1250GS, very competent bike although too heavy for me. I confess that I bought it out of a sort of "peer pressure", the mates I ride with all ride GSs. Did 36 000 km on it in two years. I never really bonded with the engine and the gearbox. The engine is flawless performance-wise. But I found it to be too noisy (specially on the highway) and very "mechanically busy". Switched to a Kawasaki Ninja 1000sx sport tourer. Fell in love with the unctuosity of the inline-4 and the perfect gearbox compared to the GS. The problem is that the roads are getting ever worse and on my trips with my friends we always tend to hit some unforeseen unpaved stints so, perfectly as the Ninja fits me, I'm gravitating back to the adventure segment. Would I buy the GS? Probably, if I can afford it (the price for one now is almost 10 000€ dearer than 5 years ago when I bought mine, even if there's more tech on it now). The adaptive ride hight and the ASA (the clutchless gearbox, I won't be riding a manual flat-twin again, I'm not convinced by their gearboxes) are pulling me towards it. Right now on paper, I would prefer the Africa Twin Adventure Sports but I haven't ridden either of the two bikes. Less power, yes, but I've read that it's pretty useful grunt what the AT produces and would cost me at least 8000€ less. Tough call. If possible I would rent each one for a weekend to make up my mind, just an hour of test riding isn't enough. That's why your work is very much appreciated. Regards
Thx for another great review Ian...I like my R1200GSA but the new R1300GS is my dream bike but I'd wait another year until first year bugs worked out..
Excellent honest review. I don’t want to spend 30k for a bike though. Any bike. I ll stick w my 1200 GS
And now - I reached the end of you video: I LIKE VERY MUCH, what you say regarding big adventure... I wait for a little 2 zylinder mini adventure bike less than 170kg... better 150kg - maybe ktm adventure 390 - and also, it shoulod be CHEAP enough, so that if I drop it I do not get into trouble... Great final summary!!!
Thank Ian, I appreciate review, however...... I do believe you will sell the GS within the next 15-18 months. It's just what you do! And we thank you for it!
Fair enough!
Just another incredible video nice work, Ian
Thank you so much 👍
Awesome vide! Great review. The best I have seen on the new GS. I remember when Porsche came out with that headlight on SUV's a couple years ago I noticed them. I don't anymore. Beautiful bike. Carl is the man! His channel is awesome. Best!
Hands down the best motorcycle I ever had. I traded my 2023 pikes peak for the GS1300. Super Easy. I fell like pro on it. There is definitely magic in the bike and I’m not kidding. I wish they make it into GS 1300 M package
I hade the 1250 GS 3 years ago
This one is way better.
The only thing I regret is not getting the one with automatic suspension.
The headlight looks just awesome to me, better than it ever looked. So that’s in the eye of the beholder.😊