When Pettersson came into the league he was an offensive genius. Now he’s a defensive genius. Defence wins cups. By the end of January the Canucks will be fighting for top spot in the Pacific division.
@@RhysExcel they played weak teams and to think Petey twink is capable of that pace is idiotic. Look at his playoffs last year compared to JT just go have more soy shakes
Petterson is one of the worst superstars in NHL history lol. He’s should be ashamed of even signing that contract. Imagine the D we could get wit 11.6m
Wasn’t a fan of miller calling the goalie to the bench with those defencemen on the ice. Get the puck up the ice/ dump it in. Change the d , pull the goalie and work ! Miller isn’t the coach. Let the players play and the coach, coach
If two superstars being paid multi-million dollars cannot decide to work together on the ice for the common goal, the problem lies with both these men, the leadership group, and the coaching staff. No one says you have to be best friends away from playing, but they are pros, and need to act in a professional fashion when working together. The dysfunction on the ice has been quite evident - when Sherwood, Blueger, and Heinen are your best forwards for several games in a row now, you have a MAJOR problem happening.
Few thoughts... I have a tough time believing that EP is a Tocchet type player. I'd imagine he wasn't a big fan of the re-signing. His comments / behavior towards Petey's game at the end of last season reflected this. Miller obv is a Tocchet type guy. And I wonder how Petey's resigning affected him. His play and numbers were much better, but EP was now making the huge bucks. Fast forward to this season and EP still not playing like an 11.6 mill guy. I'm guessing Miller has an 'F This' attitude this year and Tocchet is struggling with who he aligns with. Tocchet probably frustrated with PA as well for not giving him what he thinks he needs to be successful. So I don't believe this is as easy as two players not getting along. I think there's bad vibes all around.
@@the5thlineplaymaker131 try not to be such a simp. IE: meaning he did or said something that pissed off the coach and then the team told him to take a leave of absence to sort out his sh*t. maybe you should do the same .
I love both players man, I just don’t understand what’s going on. I don’t wanna believe the drama but also why aren’t they both on PP1? That’s a no brainer
5 game pointless streak from an 11.5 mill player is unacceptable. The writing was on the wall during the oilers series where he was completely invisible. He needs to be traded before it’s too late
@@benjaminaxselholmMiller at least trys and was a beast in the playoffs Petey a no show.and dont mention the knee they can freeze tendonitis and you dont feel it
@@greedo9592I get that but I still think he is over paid 🤷🏼♂️ I would have moved him when his stock was at its highest is all, we’re now handcuffed to him
i wouldn't even mind that...JT has been traded from every team he's been on ... he's an utter cancer for the dressing room with his ego and childish temper
At the end of the day, it is the "team" that wins hockey games and gives you "Compete". I must admit some of Petterson's self-indulging, pouty media interviews have rubbed me the wrong way, as well as the fact that he all but disappeared in the Playoffs last year and, in fact, the latter part of the season since signing his "franchise player" contract. It makes sense to keep the player who is most passionate about winning-- like Vancouver fans-- and shows up when it counts. I do not hold competitiveness over Miller's head as at the end of the day hockey is a competitive sport and Vancouver is a competitive hockey market; however, if his personality is indeed overwhelming the rest of the team as some analysts seem to suggest then I would resign myself to moving Miller as long as the Canucks mgmt. make a SMART trade that truly improves the TEAM.
Smartest canucks fan eve. Sell one of our best players we’ve ever had at a low point. You looking for Bonino and Luca Sbisa package? Or do you not remember that far back 😂
Petey & Miller will get it together they are professionals and there’s still plenty of time left in the season. Maybe they can fight in the 4 Nations and squash it. What we should be concerned about is the D-core. They don’t have talent to even possibly be good enough. We need to make some trades to upgrade D then I’m confident forwards & goalies are good enough.
3:06 With THIS team? LOL! 2-0 just means the other team is spotting them a couple. 7:52 If it's a real thing, given Toccs is old enough to be their dad, he needs to take each one into his office and have "the talk." And it should not be polite. These boys need to experience some discomfort. 8:54 Factually incorrect. 9:23 I can agree with that. It does boggle the mind.
EP is wise between his ears as he has the best snake oil Salesman Player Agent in the League. Every player is judged/valued by their plus minus ratings and primarily how well they contribute and are willing to sacrifice their body during the Playoffs. He still is weak on his skates and on the puck and would rather dish off to anyone rather than try to carry / drive end to end as an offensive super star can. Who in their right business mind would come out in public last year and offer the protracted red carpet treatment to sign this brooding chap and then pay him the highest amount in Canuck history over an 8 year NTC contract at 11.6 per year based on his past hot and cold performances? Total regular Season points don't mean that much when they are scored against weaker teams or when the entire team is on a scoring roll. His demure personality isn't socially suited to lead the pack on the ice, nor speak fluidly to the media with an A on his Jersey.. Will Millar, the actual heart and soul of this team ask for a trade at the end of this season to an actual Cup Contender if Petey isn't moved or will Tocchet throw in the white towel? If Management can pawn him ( bloated contract) off this season or in the off season for a griity North American first line forward and a bonafide # 2 defenseman, they might save themselves and the beleagered fans the protracted headaches of a Contract that rivals R. Louongo's last steal of a deal. Placing individual Stars on long term Franshise Pedistals at the expense of the team's long term salary cap hit is a fools game many teams get mired down with. As it stands right now, if Hughes goes down with even a one month injury, we won't make the playoffs. Home game attendance is already showing big gaps in the lower bowl. etc etc.
If it’s true then 100% agreed but how do we know it’s true?? Seems like unfounded rumours to me. What’s the evidence? Miller took a break to heal injuries & they were on different PP units?? Come on man.
@@Chumdubgess What do you mean? No I am not blind, but perhaps you have seen something that I have not. Why don't you get off your high horse and enlighten me..
Trading Petey would bite the Canucks on the butt. Look at his numbers away from Miller. He scored 15 points in those 10 games, and goes quiet when Miller returns.
Top 6 look totally lost out there. Can’t make a play on the rush or anywhere else for that matter. Can only rim pucks and get it back to the point. Just sad to watch.
thomas everything you say is a guess, NOT ONE FACTUAL PIECE OF INFORMATION. Pure guessing. The only stat that matters is wins and losses. The rest matters never. just a bunch of statistical baloney
It really isn’t a wild stretch to think a publicly guarded Gen Z manchild who is basically emotionless unless he’s big mad is more than likely the issue here. He gets butthurt over everything.
Canucks have become a dysfunctional team. When you have Elias Petterson making $3 million more than Miller, Boeser, Hughes, Hronek etc ---- and totally NOT living up to expectations as their leading franchise superstar that he was signed to be ---- then you have problems. Last year Miller was in the Top 10-15 League Leaders for goals/assists all season long, but now his personal issues have dropped him down to #144. Boeser is only at #142. Petterson is at #68, which is really poor for one of the Top 10 Highest Paid Players in the NHL. Only Quinn Hughes has been producing consistently and is at #22. The third and fourth line guys like Sherwood and Blueger and Heinen have been scoring all the goals lately. ??? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see where the problems are, and why this team is not going to make the playoffs this year.
I agree with everything, except I for some reason think they will get it together and just make the playoffs and get hot, usually I am chicken little with this team yet this year I am delusional in my hope 🤷🏼♂️
They can't spend 70% of each game trapped in their own end and they can't play Hughes 30 minutes every night and expect to make the playoffs. They need a couple of forwards who can lead the rush with some speed and stickhandling ability. Gee, where are Miller and Pettersson when you need them? Maybe they are the NY Rangers (west coast version), on the cusp of starting a 10 game losing streak. If so, just get on with it guys so we can write the season off now and get on with our lives.
Lots of good moves but some bad ones over the last two years. First off I know that there are issues between players on teams but I never heard of one having to take a leave of absence over it. Come on JT man up and just play.
Went downhill end of playoffs. This grumpy old man Miller culture is tanking the team (not only EP - check the stats). When you’ve muted your emotion and no one can smile, you’ve already lost.
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When Pettersson came into the league he was an offensive genius. Now he’s a defensive genius. Defence wins cups. By the end of January the Canucks will be fighting for top spot in the Pacific division.
💯 these casuals don’t know
Petey put up 15 points in 10 games when he was the guy when JT was out. 120 point pace, somethings gotta give here.
he did play better when miller was gone....i will give you that
@@RhysExcel they played weak teams and to think Petey twink is capable of that pace is idiotic. Look at his playoffs last year compared to JT
just go have more soy shakes
Tired of people making excuses for EP, he's showing no signs of life and turning things around.
Agreed, he lost it right after allstar break last year,
Miller has been shit since coming back though. Not great when our two top centers are playing crap
Petterson is one of the worst superstars in NHL history lol. He’s should be ashamed of even signing that contract. Imagine the D we could get wit 11.6m
Yeah they both gotta go. This is ridiculous
never will!
Pettersson is the most invisible "star" I have ever seen on the ice. His nickname should be "the ghost".
Miller is the problem. He’s been a douche his whole career. When he’s gone things will be better.
@Gavinskey I agree but pettersson is still soft and bad
@@RyobiCEO he’s not soft or bad. You are a Ryobi fan so what do you know anyways lol…
@@Gavinskey ill bet you a dollar he's soft and bad tomorrow
@ his play won’t change while he and Miller on same team. Something will have to give. That doesn’t make Petey bad or soft.
Wasn’t a fan of miller calling the goalie to the bench with those defencemen on the ice. Get the puck up the ice/ dump it in. Change the d , pull the goalie and work ! Miller isn’t the coach. Let the players play and the coach, coach
If two superstars being paid multi-million dollars cannot decide to work together on the ice for the common goal, the problem lies with both these men, the leadership group, and the coaching staff. No one says you have to be best friends away from playing, but they are pros, and need to act in a professional fashion when working together. The dysfunction on the ice has been quite evident - when Sherwood, Blueger, and Heinen are your best forwards for several games in a row now, you have a MAJOR problem happening.
Well said. 100%
Miller Boeser and Petey all three of these clowns need to get going
Few thoughts... I have a tough time believing that EP is a Tocchet type player. I'd imagine he wasn't a big fan of the re-signing. His comments / behavior towards Petey's game at the end of last season reflected this. Miller obv is a Tocchet type guy. And I wonder how Petey's resigning affected him. His play and numbers were much better, but EP was now making the huge bucks. Fast forward to this season and EP still not playing like an 11.6 mill guy. I'm guessing Miller has an 'F This' attitude this year and Tocchet is struggling with who he aligns with. Tocchet probably frustrated with PA as well for not giving him what he thinks he needs to be successful. So I don't believe this is as easy as two players not getting along. I think there's bad vibes all around.
One of the two guys you’ve mentioned were been benched this year… miller not petey lol
so? he also went on hiatus immediately after. maybe he benched himself
@@kevvymetal666 LOL. Yea he said no don’t put me on the ice. Hilarious. He was just stewing on the bench because he chose not to play 😂
@@the5thlineplaymaker131 try not to be such a simp. IE: meaning he did or said something that pissed off the coach and then the team told him to take a leave of absence to sort out his sh*t.
maybe you should do the same .
I love both players man, I just don’t understand what’s going on. I don’t wanna believe the drama but also why aren’t they both on PP1? That’s a no brainer
the cause for miller's leave of absence was related to his shitty relationship with petey. the drama is real bro.
Miller has been a douche his whole career.
miller is giving the puck away way too much and looks out of place on the PP
@@gnarrrrrrrrrrrrand you know this how?
@@the5thlineplaymaker131direct inside source. not speculation.
Time to trade EP & Hoglander
5 game pointless streak from an 11.5 mill player is unacceptable. The writing was on the wall during the oilers series where he was completely invisible. He needs to be traded before it’s too late
Miller hasn't done sht either. Petey is second in scoring on the team at least.
agreed
@@benjaminaxselholmMiller at least trys and was a beast in the playoffs Petey a no show.and dont mention the knee they can freeze tendonitis and you dont feel it
@@benjaminaxselholmhe was amazing in the playoffs
Nah. Miller needs to go. The guy is an a-hole and has been his whole career.
Trade EP. That is all. I want the 11.6 million back.
Agreed, if he was at 8mil I’d be ok with him but he isn’t worth 11.5mill
@@Matt-mh5us yes he is lol the cap is going up and guys are starting to get paid way more
@@greedo9592I get that but I still think he is over paid 🤷🏼♂️
I would have moved him when his stock was at its highest is all, we’re now handcuffed to him
@@greedo9592 he’s on pace for 70 points this season. He’s not worth 11.5. He’s an 8 mill player even with the slight cap increase
The sad part is if one of thoes guys get traded it will be J.T. cause the Canucks have always had a hard on for Swedish players.
i wouldn't even mind that...JT has been traded from every team he's been on ... he's an utter cancer for the dressing room with his ego and childish temper
The word is because not cause lol, cause is an entirely different word.
@@rowds you must not get laid do you?
@@douggarden i'm wondering the same, is any team going to want him in their dressing room??
At the end of the day, it is the "team" that wins hockey games and gives you "Compete". I must admit some of Petterson's self-indulging, pouty media interviews have rubbed me the wrong way, as well as the fact that he all but disappeared in the Playoffs last year and, in fact, the latter part of the season since signing his "franchise player" contract.
It makes sense to keep the player who is most passionate about winning-- like Vancouver fans-- and shows up when it counts. I do not hold competitiveness over Miller's head as at the end of the day hockey is a competitive sport and Vancouver is a competitive hockey market; however, if his personality is indeed overwhelming the rest of the team as some analysts seem to suggest then I would resign myself to moving Miller as long as the Canucks mgmt. make a SMART trade that truly improves the TEAM.
The 11 Million Dollar mistake is slumping these days.
Alvin should consider trading him.
Smartest canucks fan eve. Sell one of our best players we’ve ever had at a low point. You looking for Bonino and Luca Sbisa package? Or do you not remember that far back 😂
@@the5thlineplaymaker131 Yes. I would take Bonino and Sbisa for Bambi-40 right now. At least those 2 would break a sweat.
@@glennhankins6927 like I said, smartest canucks fan ever. Congrats lol
Canucks will have a better season next year.
The problem is that we are on a losing streak while teams right behind us in standings are threatening our wildcard spot on winning streaks.
if we miss the playoffs this year do we go full rebuild??
Petey & Miller will get it together they are professionals and there’s still plenty of time left in the season. Maybe they can fight in the 4 Nations and squash it. What we should be concerned about is the D-core. They don’t have talent to even possibly be good enough. We need to make some trades to upgrade D then I’m confident forwards & goalies are good enough.
starts 2:27
JT Miller 0 shots, Petterson 1 shot. Not much different the previous night. Management hopefully can find a reasonable solution.
trades
Now to be known as Dino-Dancer 😁
how did we go from 649 to this :/ i feel like the obvious thought is petey just can’t take the JT criticism and JT is just doing JT things
If father Allvin and mother Rutherford cannot get their children under control, it as much their fault as anyone.
Petterson was playing great without miller in the line up then hw comes back and all of a sudden the only core player that gives a dam is hughes
3:06 With THIS team? LOL! 2-0 just means the other team is spotting them a couple.
7:52 If it's a real thing, given Toccs is old enough to be their dad, he needs to take each one into his office and have "the talk." And it should not be polite. These boys need to experience some discomfort.
8:54 Factually incorrect.
9:23 I can agree with that. It does boggle the mind.
EP is wise between his ears as he has the best snake oil Salesman Player Agent in the League. Every player is judged/valued by their plus minus ratings and primarily how well they contribute and are willing to sacrifice their body during the Playoffs. He still is weak on his skates and on the puck and would rather dish off to anyone rather than try to carry / drive end to end as an offensive super star can. Who in their right business mind would come out in public last year and offer the protracted red carpet treatment to sign this brooding chap and then pay him the highest amount in Canuck history over an 8 year NTC contract at 11.6 per year based on his past hot and cold performances? Total regular Season points don't mean that much when they are scored against weaker teams or when the entire team is on a scoring roll. His demure personality isn't socially suited to lead the pack on the ice, nor speak fluidly to the media with an A on his Jersey.. Will Millar, the actual heart and soul of this team ask for a trade at the end of this season to an actual Cup Contender if Petey isn't moved or will Tocchet throw in the white towel? If Management can pawn him ( bloated contract) off this season or in the off season for a griity North American first line forward and a bonafide # 2 defenseman, they might save themselves and the beleagered fans the protracted headaches of a Contract that rivals R. Louongo's last steal of a deal. Placing individual Stars on long term Franshise Pedistals at the expense of the team's long term salary cap hit is a fools game many teams get mired down with. As it stands right now, if Hughes goes down with even a one month injury, we won't make the playoffs. Home game attendance is already showing big gaps in the lower bowl. etc etc.
2 man children getting paid millions and can’t put their egos aside. Honestly it’s embarrassing, and childish af.
If it’s true then 100% agreed but how do we know it’s true?? Seems like unfounded rumours to me. What’s the evidence? Miller took a break to heal injuries & they were on different PP units?? Come on man.
@@gskeyz2987are you blind? Serious question.
@@Chumdubgess What do you mean? No I am not blind, but perhaps you have seen something that I have not. Why don't you get off your high horse and enlighten me..
Trading Petey would bite the Canucks on the butt. Look at his numbers away from Miller. He scored 15 points in those 10 games, and goes quiet when Miller returns.
What a wussy. Is he that Soft? He can't handle jt Miller being on the team or something. He is getting paid 11.6 million, for gods sake
He is still a-4
And last year in the playoffs. Miller. Amazing.
Petey. Pathetic
Petey will go off if he’s traded. Then y’all will say Allvin fucked up
@ he’s gonna trade for some BALLZ
Top 6 look totally lost out there. Can’t make a play on the rush or anywhere else for that matter. Can only rim pucks and get it back to the point. Just sad to watch.
thomas everything you say is a guess, NOT ONE FACTUAL PIECE OF INFORMATION. Pure guessing. The only stat that matters is wins and losses.
The rest matters never. just a bunch of statistical baloney
It really isn’t a wild stretch to think a publicly guarded Gen Z manchild who is basically emotionless unless he’s big mad is more than likely the issue here. He gets butthurt over everything.
speaking of dinosaurs....
Canucks have become a dysfunctional team. When you have Elias Petterson making $3 million more than Miller, Boeser, Hughes, Hronek etc ---- and totally NOT living up to expectations as their leading franchise superstar that he was signed to be ---- then you have problems. Last year Miller was in the Top 10-15 League Leaders for goals/assists all season long, but now his personal issues have dropped him down to #144. Boeser is only at #142. Petterson is at #68, which is really poor for one of the Top 10 Highest Paid Players in the NHL. Only Quinn Hughes has been producing consistently and is at #22. The third and fourth line guys like Sherwood and Blueger and Heinen have been scoring all the goals lately. ??? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see where the problems are, and why this team is not going to make the playoffs this year.
I agree with everything, except I for some reason think they will get it together and just make the playoffs and get hot, usually I am chicken little with this team yet this year I am delusional in my hope 🤷🏼♂️
Hughes is #2 for D Men and I'd argue the best in the league. I'd put Hughes in the top 10 players in the league easily.
They can't spend 70% of each game trapped in their own end and they can't play Hughes 30 minutes every night and expect to make the playoffs. They need a couple of forwards who can lead the rush with some speed and stickhandling ability. Gee, where are Miller and Pettersson when you need them? Maybe they are the NY Rangers (west coast version), on the cusp of starting a 10 game losing streak. If so, just get on with it guys so we can write the season off now and get on with our lives.
get on with nothing????? lots of bad teams with good players.....go get them Alvin
Petterson is the most useless superstar in the league and anyone that disagree’s is delusional. He’s the only one that is this bad
#tradebothofthem
Lots of good moves but some bad ones over the last two years. First off I know that there are issues between players on teams but I never heard of one having to take a leave of absence over it. Come on JT man up and just play.
They play a 'cute' game
So much drama with these guys. Trade both Miller and Pettersson and built the team around Hughes.
beginning to think that is best
How could someone with any respect be playing as lazy as petey is playing right after signing superstar level contract.
Cause he is soft and weak. A very weak minded individual
Went downhill end of playoffs. This grumpy old man Miller culture is tanking the team (not only EP - check the stats). When you’ve muted your emotion and no one can smile, you’ve already lost.
trade both..... they are both overpaid.
Canucks seriously need some sort of jolt of life, they look dead.