I've had discussions like this at a job. They absolutely love it when you say "Hey, just to make sure I understand it correctly, can I get this all in writing." Because they know what they're doing is illegal, and I've got no problem burning a company that screws us like that to the ground, legally.
@@SavageGreywolf unions can also be a bad thing hence the police force and cops repeatedly getting caught planting drugs etc getting rehired in a week.
@@oyeahisbest123 Last union job I worked their primary role was to convince us to just take it when the company was fucking us. Unions don't guarantee shit.
You laugh, but I've worked for a company like this, a large metal shop. Management decided that one half-hour break during a ten hour shift was too long, so they cut us down to twenty minutes. One single, twenty minute break for an entire ten hour shift. I left the same week to pursue better opportunities.
I too work similar job. Turns out aint no one gonna take the legal battle to tell me to stop "shitting" So um Level up, man, boss makes a dolla, i make a dime, that's why i take my smartphone to the shitter on company time.
I had a part time job in a metal shop, 7 hours a day, two 15 minute breaks, I enjoyed the job except for some of the back stabbing nasty people who worked there.
@@gwynjustice6664 This is a discussion of real things that can be done to ensure healthy, legal workplace conditions, not idealist campus commie "in a perfect world" pipe dream shit. Sure, all piece wage and salaried work is "wage theft" because you're not getting paid literally 100% of the value your work produces in cash, but in a system where you're using other people's infrastructure and supplies to create that value, you forfeit the right to a certain amount of it.
The DOL will spend more time grilling you for proof you don't have if you do this. Get it in writing and then go to the DOL. Then they HAVE to help you.
I know this is different, but I was kinda blown away when I found out your work doesn't have to give you any break or lunch. At least in Florida, Idk about other states.
I had amazing boss once. He got ordered by the management to illegally change the way they paid us for working hours (the way we clocked in and out, how they counted our lunch time etc). He said: "this are the new rules the corporate told me to present to you, also they told me to not tell you to contact the ministry of labor and/or our powiat labor inspector, so you should not contact our local powiat labor inspector in {city name, street name} under any circumstances, so don't do it especially from 8-15 monday to friday, that's a big no-no". Great guy.
@@eviljoshy3402 not sure if you got the point but it was a clever way of telling his workers to call the ministry of labor and report the illegal change.
Also worth noting that this should be considered overtime since working an extra hour each day will quickly push you up over 40 hours for the week. So that time should be valued at nearly double your normal wages.
@trentsims time and a half is the "standard" as far as I know. Double would be if you in a job that pushes you any time over 12 hours on one shift, which aren't a lot other than stuff like emergency services.
I found out we weren't actually getting paid Overtime and I took it up with HR and they tried explaining themselves like we were actually making more money because of Taxes
“If we get enough opposition, we’ll mandate it.” is the single worst line that immediately brings my blood to a boil; and I’ve worked in a couple of places that said it (or a line like it, anyway) too. I quit those places soon after.
Me personally I just ignore them with the madating shit. If I'm going to quit might as well do what I want and if thats not enough let em fire me. I'll have a job before the end of the week. They will be still trying to replace me years from now considering my office has been working 6-7 days a week for 3 years.
Similar thing happened where I worked. The company bungled itself and fired most of the lower level staff. They then started offering meager bonuses for working a certain amount of overtime each week. When no one was signing up for overtime, they just started adding three hours to everyone's shifts every day or scheduling them on their days off without any notice and then punished people who didn't get the memo.
Not many alternatives to excel and do more then get by though. Hell, even social media streamers work their butts off. You could just say screw it and not work. Live off government subsidy that someone else worked for. End up in a tent camp, wondering where your gonna get your next hit from. Perspective I guess.
so was I before he even said anything I was already like even if they stay clocked in a 40 hour work week for a year is 2080 hours this "bonus" is less than $1 per hour, then he said no you legally have to be clocked out for lunch and any thought that I might even consider that went away
@Brendan Conley Math much? 😂 There's only 365 days in a year, if you get a 1-hour lunch break and never have a day off, you are "on break" for 365 hour per year. It obviously way less than that because most get 2 days off per week and some only get 30 min breaks. Taking that into account, it's about 200 hours ( × $20/hr) = $4,000 of unpaid breaks.
Also add to the fact taxes would be taken out of the $1,500 so probably $1,100 "bonus". Once had a boss wanted me to train techs "after" work and he would provide dinner for one hr. a week. First one went well with dinner. Next week he didn't provide dinner so class ended that day.
@@MarshallPatrick let's not even get started on how big of a hole they would've dug if they made it mandatory. If they did that OSHA might have a few up to $10,000 words/employee if they caught wind. Assuming your in the US of course.
That reminds me a 4 star hotel I used to work at when they started a "new program" - confiscating all tips from the staff. Following this announcement in the span of 20 days 1/4 of the staff left, so did 1/2 of managers, heads of departments and chefs. On day 22 the kitchen collapsed, left a pork belly outside for 2 days, then served it and poisoned half of a wedding party. Good times.
@@XCeazyX That's their business model. An average employee lasts there several months. They rarely get local people or even people from the country. Traditional hotel chain in Britain with most people there hired from the other side of the European continent.
@@petrmaly9087 In the USA many hotels have their entire cleaning crew as illegal immigrants who speak very little or no English. The government doesn't even try arresting them or placing fines on them anymore either because they're paid under the table or they don't care.
I worked at Little Caesars and we ran a skeleton shift. A lot of "responsibilities" would get placed on the crew and managers and we had to get prep work done, stations cleaned and shut down, all on our shifts. The problem was is that we struggled to do all of these responsibilities on the clock. They expected us to have a single manager and 1 crew member get an entire store ready within 1 hour. That's also counting getting registers setup, money counted and bank deposit ready. Managers, for years, would come in an hour early and work off the clock so they didn't have to struggle so hard. This mindset of theirs was then pushed upon the crew. I hand numerous times were I had to clock out and do the last 30 minutes of cleaning off the clock. Eventually a manager at another store was fed up with the abuse and contacted the Labor Board. I was one of the people who was interviewed and I told them the honest truth. Yeah, I got an extra paycheck for all the times they saw I had to work off the clock.
They pulled the same crap at a Subway I worked at. 🙄 One of my coworkers was always there working atleast 30 minutes before clocking in. The closers at the other locations talked about working 2 or 3 hrs after clocking out but some of them put up with it because they got crazy good tips from the drunks. Unfortunately, some were naïve enough to think it would help get them into management. Who were of course exploited as well 🤦♀️ Unfortunately, here in Florida resources are very limited for workers rights
Man, y'all in food service always get so shafted. I know profit margins in restaurants *can* be razor thin at times, but the amount of bullshit you people get saddled with is absolutely horrifying. I haven't worked as a dishwasher for a long time, but mad respect to the industry when you can make it without it being a shitshow.
These companies dont realize that Gen Z is not playing this bullshit. Millenials like myself are the last gen to get even remotely suckered and thats cause OUR supervisors were still stuck in that "abusive hardwork pays off" mentality.
@bronxishomenomatterwhereig3149 management's definition of "voluntary" is VERY different from everyone else's definition. One of the best examples of the management/worker disconnect is the whole "pieces of flare" scene in Office Space.
Yeah the FedEx/unilever warehouse I use to work for pulled this crap all the time. Said OT was "COMPLETELY VOLUNTARY! Don't worry about it!" when I was hired but then mandate it nearly everyday because people were like "Nah. Why do I wanna come in my day off?". Even when I had outside events going on and let them know in advance for it they gave me points for being absent because of the mandates.🙄 I didn't sign up for it and was punished for it. FedEx/Unilever can suck it.
"Nobody needs an hour to eat lunch." *Clasps hands I disagree... I need 10 min to talk myself out of choking my boss out. 10 min to get to where I'm buying food from. 15 min to order, pay for, and eat said food. 10 min to get back to the job site. 10 minutes to talk myself out of burning the f*cking building down. 5 minutes to talk myself into not quitting and getting back to work. When you add all that up.. would you look at that? 1 hour.
Job requirements: "Must be competent in basic arithmetic" *worker figures out an offer is actually a scam* Managers: "Wait, no! Not like that! That's illegal!"
I had an employer gaslight everyone with a “great new” pay plan that ended up costing most people 40% of their pay for even more effort & hours worked over the first 6 months. They emphasized that they were no longer “limiting” how much we would make by encamping the upper possible earning potential but drastically lowering the minimum pay. They framed it as them being on the side of the salespeople, and bringing back the managers’ favorite pay plan from when they were salespeople (back in the 80’s and 90’s but who’s keeping track right). Magically out staff meetings turned from finding ways to hit sales goals but having very stable/sustainable sales figures to having wild spikes and droughts in sales with losses off employees but the company posting the best “profits” in a decade. They didn’t bother matching for most of the GED and barely high school graduate workforce that the new “profits” were just them drastically cutting costs and making it take 50% more work per person to get 70-80% of the previously standard results if not worse. They also hired 10 new people to flood the floor and water down every individual’s opportunities to other a marginal and inconsistent boost to the company’s numbers. Mass walkouts and piss poor morale followed quickly. Hope those bastards burn for trashing a previously good place to work while wearing those $hi+ eating grins.
Yeah, I had a similar kind of experience for a place I did door to door sales at. Instead of a payplan, however, we had a selection of different services we provided, and pay was dependent on those services. All in all, though, only one selection was ever made per sale to the customer, and all payouts for them were the same. However, the service, thus the commision, was subject to change month to month. One month, without really any reason, they decided to effectively half our commission without notice. So one week every representative suddenly got alot less than they should, and nobody knew until they were getting paid out. We all looked for any other changes and noticed that all fee's waived cancelation rights was extended by seven days.... and was no longer matching our commission payout. Okay, guess I'll do my job then, doing the whole transparency thing you were aiming for. Highlighting stuff isn't illegal so i guess i'll highlight two sentences. One additional tidbit: For the year i worked to upto that point, the typical expectation was for the monthly contracts to be identical unless otherwise informed. We are doing contracts from such and such month till whenever? Opening part of the monthly meeting. Each sale is worth $0.25 more this month? Informed at monthly meeting. Additional one day of service end of term in next year due to a holiday? Informed at monthly meeting. Long weekend resulting in this month's pay being paid out one day later? Informed at monthly meeting. Vanishing half our commission in fine text scattered throughout the contract? Not important enough to tell us.
@@reallygoogle5481 at least I knew that my income was about to drastically change. Only two of us were experienced enough to know it amongst the non-management staff, so nobody believed us as we tried to warn them before signing new contracts. You didn’t even know until the paychecks were short. That’s cold blooded and shady. Hope it cost that employer millions and made them unhirable in the future. Probably didn’t, but I can dream right?
Yup these days anything "without a guarentee" is trash. With employers looking for every opportunity. Like I did piece rate back in day it was great bust ass get weeks pay by lunch day 2-3. Now you crush it kill it for piece rate you make less than you would as a hourly employee. But if you get on bosses bad side or they just accept alot of bad jobs. Doesn't matter that "hallway has 6 doorways you have to cut in its only 20sq feet". Throw in how quick they are to throw backcharges and ding you for anything "customer always right" mentality. But rule one these days since it "devalues" your product (time) and they begin to expect future freebies. Never work for free, and if you do you will be working 3 peoples job for same pay as you started. And passed over for promotion as your "irreplaceable". Working construction companys tend to be small and less stable. And I if pays late welp I agreed to front 2 weeks pay I will start again when its in my account. Suddenly and magically it appears and they never ever do it to "me" again. Those that dont fuss it will end up taking another 2 weeks to get check. And occur at increasing frequency. One company that went under one of guys as we were leaving was worried as he had let them get 6 weeks behind. And its like yup thats why you put foot down.
I know that the caricature is supposed to be a bad supervisor, but even a bad supervisor knows when they are going to get absolutely dunked when delivering garbage news.
As someone with a cushy office job and an hour lunch break, (half an hour unpaid, state law mandates half an hour paid for shifts over a certain number of hours) the extra half hour makes a huge difference. I can take a nap if I need it (I usually do), chill and socialize, meditate, go for a walk, etc. and come back to work way more refreshed. If I worked a more physical job like I did in college I'd need it even more and absolutely take a nap every time.
I worked construction for about two years and if anybody tried to get me to work through a lunch by the end of those two years of bullshit I would have been a lot less kind than this video.
I work 12 hour days at my office job and work through my lunch time, eating lunch at my desk while still working. But on my timesheet every day I write down that I work 12 and a half hour days so that I get paid for my full 12 hour days.
Eh, I'd rather get out of work a half hour sooner than be dicking around at work while not getting paid. We have 30 minute lunches at the place I work now and it's perfect. Grab a bite, shoot the shit for a bit, and then back at it to get the day over with.
@@froggiman1 after Mike Vanderboegh passed, I kept hoping for someone to pick up the banner and run with it...his son did, for a little while, and then..no one.
@@warhorse03826 It sucks because as much as I want someone too also, I know that I am not in a position too (or want the responsibility), so I guess I can't complain that no one else will.
I once had a boss that tried to shame me for spending time with my dying father instead of working overtime…..needless to say, it did not work lol. I wish I would’ve found a way to publicly humiliate him over it…
When my grandmother was close to death I gave the company I work for a heads up that in the near future when I say I have to go, I’m gonna need time off. They were like “you can’t just dictate when you’re taking time off like that”. Oh I’m sorry I don’t control when she dies.
I once had a manager that handed me a write up paper for something that was not my fault and told me to sign it. I refused and he wrote my name under employee signature. I pulled out my phone and googled nearby lawyers. He said "You can't have your phone in here. That's another write up!" I told him "You just forged my signature. That's a felony and I'm getting a lawyer". He tore up the write up and walked away.
My company tried something like this (just without the bonus) and they opened the memo with "Exciting News!" This is pretty much the HR equivalent of talking with a lot of energy to get a dog hyped up to go to the park when you're actually taking him to the vet. I'm lucky that they're transparent enough to have manager training material open to everyone but this is also one of those Pandora's Box situations. Instead of referring to people as Employees or Workers, they straight up use the term "Resources" and they believe that work-related-stress is more valuable to these Resources than their actual wage. (example; An employee is overwhelmed at work and at home so quits so she can start her dream job of being a painter but also take care of everything going on at home, etc. Months later, she's established with a steady flow of clients but isn't happy. Why? Because she doesn't have enough stress, obviously! F*** you.)
Reminds me of a story my relative told me about where she worked. She and others would be exploited..., ahem, I mean they would "donate" 1 day of their paycheck to the company as a show of good-faith because of everything the company had done for them. Let's just say that did not go over well, and the company was caught with their pants down.
Place I used to work, management would refer to employees as "heads" when meeting to discuss the manpower required to complete jobs. Then new management came in and said the term "heads" was no longer allowed, and "FTE" would have to be used instead. "FTE" stood for "full-time equivalent" because the term "heads" was too personal and made you feel like the workers were people. So...yeah... I left that company pretty quickly once I saw where things were going with the new leadership. EDIT: Just Googled the name of the guy that was pushing all these scumbag practices, and it looks like he no longer works there (which I expected). He's one of those jerkoff executives that jumps from company to company every few years, runs them into the ground while pocketing a bunch of cash, and then bails when there's nothing left for him to personally suck out of the company.
I shit you not. I've not had a company have a mandatory lunch break in YEARS. Landscaping, metal fab, construction none. I worked a couple years ago doing concrete. working 12 13 hours a day without a break, (McConnell concrete)no lunch and if a new guy asks "when's lunch" they're immediately made fun of and deemed lazy by the more "hard core" "imma man's man" "haven't missed a day to make my boss man his next million yet" guys... I work hard, don't bitch, but I ain't stupid either. Now I work about 6hours a day for good $ with a good friend and we make a killing, if I have my choice I'll never go back to work for someone other than myself
Yup I worked an HVAC job like that and they did the same things on my first day and also let me know I would not be getting paid for the entire time I worked. Company policy, ya know... So I cut my losses and quit right then.
@7F0X7 If I'm there, I expect to get paid lol no way anyone should be expecting you to be there with no payment for even a small percentage of the day.
@@7F0X7 When I worked HVAC the asshole tried to claim he didn't have to pay transit time. This was to a jobsite over an hour from the office. The office mind you not from my house or anything. I'm like as soon as I'm at the office to get started I'm on the clock don't matter if my ass is warming a seat If i'm not at home doing what I want your paying me.
I don't get a lunch break at my current job (Though other employees do), however as a result they look the other way while I take smaller breaks throughout the day on the clock. I figure I get paid for an hour, hour and a half of doing nothing every single day.
By law if you are giving them an unpaid lunch break, you need to give them a real lunch break and are not allowed to allow them to work through it. Once you do something like have them clock out but make them work through it, the entire time must be fully compensated.
Wal-Mart, that is all... I had to argue with a manager over night shift about day light saving time "no no you get paid for working 10pm to 7 am, you aren't getting an extra hour, you are working 10pm to 7am" I had to get 2 rulers, and show her a physical representation of how you roll a clock back during the night for savings time, and she stormed off telling me she wasn't going to discuss this anymore. I left at 6 am, they didn't bother writing me up.
Wait.....so somehow because your shift was supposed to happen during the time in which the clock rollback happens you were just supposed to lose an hour of pay? The hell kind of dumbass was in charge of that brilliant idea.
I'd ask how many hours they're paying for, and explain you'll work the same number of hours they are paying you for. Set up a timer in front of one of the cameras for the shift lol
My dad and I run a small business. Started a few guys off as 1099 because we didn’t have the money to bring them on as W2. Few months later brought them on as employees with full bennies and I take advantage of employer-based tax reimbursement so we offer childcare assistance, wellness and tuition reimbursement as well. We do guaranteed yearly holiday bonus and 5% raise every year. OT goes to PTO. AND WE STILL MAKE MONEY. DO NOT let someone walk over you. Make no mistake: YOU are providing a business owner financial freedom. Workers hold all the power and people who can take advantage of you will continue to do so. I’ve always said, the most powerful person at a company is the dishwasher.
My last job gave us 2% of our yearly salary as an "end of year" bonus if we hit certain metrics which included forced overtime weekend and major holidays. When we pushed back and said yea I dint think 1500 a year taxed to hell is worth missing Thanksgiving with my family they got mad like we were in the wrong. I told them I literally can work 1 hr overtime a week and make A lot more than that. They can't understand cuz they weren't getting 2% management was closer to 10 or higher. 10-12k money makes a lot of sense compared to 1500
I quit a warehouse job like this, went back to school, spent 6 years busting my ass, got an engineering degree… my first year my “bonus” was $1,100. While I was making $66k. I asked my boss what I needed to do to “improve productivity” I was told… you guessed it. They weren’t sure. Exactly. But working 45 hours a week would be a good start. This shit is fucking rampant and it’s disgusting.
@@iwritechecksatthegrocerystorethanks for the view I quit being a mechanic from doing my apprenticeship in my own workshop alone with only a couple local experts , one a ford tuner , a lock smith/ mechanic and my favourite guy the auto electrician, all I got to get info from not without a lot of self learning (being in a wrecking yard) I had access to mess with whatever I want from latest model to old land cruisers and 1 day a week at tech. Anyway I was basically used by big online car dealers to fix stuff their guys couldn’t which seemed like the most simple stuff sometimes. A lot of warranty claims since we supplied used engine ect and 90% of the issues was the installation shops not doing things properly ,eg buying and engine for a diesel hilux because their customer bent rod/s doing a water crossing.. they installed the engine and did not even touch the intercooler. They tried to say the engine was a dud but when I got it in my work shop and heard the history I immediately unbolted the intercooler and got a couple hundred ml out of it. I don’t like that I could basically be skilled enough to be a master mechanic but get paid cents above award minimum. I now slack of (or try to, it’s hard when no one else can do their job without hand holding) at a hire company that’s having massive management issues (no one joining) I get paid almost double to do retail work and even though they want every staff to be hands on with the equipment they’re all young and only want to answer phones and deal with customers slowly to drag out their day. I get to focus on keeping the fleet up to standard but always have to help them out despite no help from them with equipment. When there is no customers you should be servicing and inspecting equipment and then keeping the branch up to scratch with weekly toolbox talks ect. Anyway I feel like even this job has too much hand holding . And I’m just a low grunt because I’m essentially in holiday mode until I figure out where the better places to work are. And it looks like trades in a naval base would be best with people working there actually experienced. The best part is the profit share that you never get, supposed to be 3 a year up to $5000 each quarter , but your lucky if you get $500 total for the year. thanks to going full nazi with QOM expectations during Covid when they lost most staff and branches running with no management, the most experienced person being a ex maccas crew that’s been there a year and half .
im sure entrusting the operation of your business to people who havent had a break in 10 hours is a foolproof plan for unlimited profit. good luck bossman.
I remember when i worked at hallmark they gave us a 20 min lunch and their reason was because you don't have to clock out. Mind you it was a 10 hour shift. I heard from a jaded team lead they changed how lunch was because they felt letting people clock out and have 40 minutes was cutting into their time and they wanted people to be more "productive" So yeah everyone was overworked and they had a unrealistic point system that was next to impossible to make so its like a never ending revolving door of new people coming in, seeing how shit they are treated then quitting. I quit after 5 months and found a more chill job making springs in a factory. At least they let me listen to audio books and aren't forcing mandatory overtime
Quite literally one of the fastest ways for a company to be sued into oblivion by it's workers. Went through one of these a few years ago and got a nice chunk of change just for having worked at the plant during the time the suit was for.
I worked for a company that only gave one 15 min break unless you worked 9hr+. I just so happened to have to go to the bathroom 5-8 times per shift or had to "go make a phone call or run to my car real quick". There's ALWAYS ways around bs policies.
I started doing the math as soon as the numbers were mentioned too. The business wants $5220 worth of labor for $1500. I can easily see someone resting after collapsing from exhaustion and the business counts that as the employee taking their break, therefore disqualifying them from the bonus.
I worked for Jeld-wen manufacturing doors for almost 5 years, during that time they eliminated benefit packages across the board. When one of my co-workers asked when they would be returning, the plant manager said, and i quote: "you are getting paid, right? That sounds like a benefit to me." I checked out after that. Big companies like that will do anything BUT pay their work force competitively.
It’s amazing that there are so many people with jobs that don’t understand this kind of crap goes on every day. I’m so glad you’re like us, just make a joke about it so we can laugh before we cry. (And keep working) 😂love your vids👏🏻👌🏻
Thats why you find that work place hazard that your employer refuses to tackle, report it, document it, and if you go stark raving mad, and decide you can't do it anymore, just take a tumble over that foot-fall-liability and sue. Lawyers gotta chase ambulances might as well make em chase it while you're taking a nice good long work place break.
@@MarketResearchReading114 bad idea to be dealing w lawyers as a working class, they exist to serve the owners. Loopholes may not apply, kinda like international law vs sovereign citizen. Okay for a corporation, but not an individual
I think the horror of it is there's plenty who know, but feel obligated to stay for some reason or other...and that's what these kinds of practices and their practitioners count on.
If I can say one good thing about my experience working in the medical field, it's not having to deal with this. Oh there are plenty of other headaches, but at least not your employer trying to steal from you. The Marines is just a constant bend over and get F'ed job environment. You are at the complete mercy of the brass and the hard charging corporals in command trying to make sergeant, and most of them don't even know their butts from holes in the ground where your actual job function is concerned. It's a given you are going to work longer than you are supposed to and be poorly compensated for it. Everyone was overworked and underappreciated, and that was in the 90's before they took wrecking ball to the military. I can't even imagine what it is like today with the recruiting shortfalls. I've dealt with very similar situations in the private sector too. Walmart was one of the worst. I never had them ask me to work off the clock, but I know people who they have asked. My issue with them in this regard, was that you always had to watch your checks like a hawk. ALWAYS! They screwed up my paychecks more times than should be possible if they were actually addressing the issue as they claimed. At some point, you just have to wonder if they were making accidental on purpose accounting errors and hoping nobody noticed.
The "above and beyond" bonus is wage theft and they know it. Otherwise they wouldn't be dancing around the clock-out system and Christmas bonus. Never agree to stuff like that and if they try and mandate it, that's when you start looking at a lawsuit
I'm retired after 28 jobs over 48 years, every boss I ever had, come to work at 10, lunch from 12:30 to 3 or not come back at all on Mondays and Fridays, then hang out until 6...5 hrs a day with a 2-3 hr lunch break. When they were there, they just talked on the phone like they could just do from home anyway.
Also just to remind you all: if by chance you happen to get hurt while you're off the clock, not only does workman's comp NOT cover any lost time or medical expenses, but you also are likely to get fired for not taking your lunch because the company's gonna try to CYA so they don't get hit with fines.
“You don’t need an hour to eat” No but you can also take a 20 minute Power Nap, read a book, catch up on your messages, watch videos on your phone, drive somewhere in town to take care of something, and just relax.
Years ago, in college, I worked for Eddie Bauer. They were bought by Spiegels. Part of Spiegel's operation was a month to support UNICEF. We were afforded the privilege of "choosing" days to work extra hours, where instead of getting paid, it would go to UNICEF. They also liked scheduling "on call" hours. I worked three jobs while also being a full time student. I didn't have time or money to be "on call" and not actually work. Needless to say I quit that job after 3 months. It was more hassle than it was worth compared to my other jobs.
On God, worked a job at Walmart that saw me with 1 other person doing a job that every single one of our store managers fully acknowledged could not be done by 2 people, but unlike other employees we were never, under any circumstances, allowed to leave until that job until was finished for the night, but would be fired if we were clocked in more than 40 hrs. Let's say the impossible job made us leave at 10am instead of 7am. We would have to come in 3 hours late for our next shift. Which, of course, made us 3hrs more behind on that nights work, which management already knew was impossible to do during a full shift. Edit: This is only like the 3rd worst shit I've seen them do.
I remember in high school, my after school job tried to pull shit like this and keep us 2 hours after our finish time to “finish the daily work we had t completed” My dad was picking me up. He was PISSED and called the owner. Words were said about how you treat employees. Threats were made. This was when he sat me down and gave me the talk about “hostile work environments” “constructive dismissal” and “workplace abuse”. I’m from New Zealand not the US which means you can take your employer to court for “constructive dismissal” which is when they make your work so unpleasant or unreasonable that they essentially force you quit. It is a form of unfair dismissal which if an employer is found to have done the usual penalty is paying the person you unfairly dismissed a years wages/salary. And the real kicker, in New Zealand unlike the US if you take someone to court, there losing party has to pay the legal costs of the winning party.
I recently worked for a company that had a yearly bonus that was given to everyone based on production. I have a law degree, don't ask, so I always look at documents. Turns out that the yearly bonus was based off of a percentage of a variable number. The variable number was based on how many reports were turned in that were then found to be efficient and save the money company. No one was turning in the reports because of how long they take to do, so company only had to pay a fraction of what it would have had to pay in overall bonuses.
This isn't actually the worst thing I've seen. I had something worse happen. I asked for a raise after 1 and a half years, was told they cant afford it because they need to evaluate their profits, so I just work extra 6 months then ask. I put my 110% into those 6 months because I had a daughter and I needed solid income. I was hyped, going to ask for a little more than originally cause it was 6 months, and I even had a dream where they said yes and gave me a bonus.(I didnt get a christmas bonus that year) I asked again, and they said, instead of working for more, why dont you work more? For the same price? Then in ANOTHER 6 months they might give me a raise. I quit and now I make twice the income at a new job. Every other job I applied to was shocked by what they were paying me.
I've got $4 total raise the last year. I didn't even ask for it. Got promoted too and given keys to the store. Didn't ask for it. It pays to work without expecting anything in return, but just working.
Once worked at a call center, that had us upsell insurance for cell phones. It was like if we sold 500 dollars worth of insurance we'd get a prize. It was a 5 minute extra break, and a 10 dollar voucher for the kiosk they owned
As a manager myself I’m almost positive idea like that would came from “higher” power (most likely owner’s son or a “brilliant” consultant). In conversation with my boss I would be mentioning what kind of CF of liability and worker dissatisfaction we are opening ourselves to. If he made me to broadcast it to a crew I would probably mention is as a point 6 of shift huddle meeting stressing it’s 100% voluntary for people that want to work through lunch (every place I worked in has some people like that).
managers that have actually come through the ranks with 'real' jobs know better. they would say something like "i know this is an unpopular decision, but I'm gonna comp all of you somehow" then follows through with whatever he can within his authority. those kinds of people have underlings that gladly get more than required done
If management told me this, I would go to everyone and explain the math to everyone then let them decide if $5 a hour to miss break was worth it. Then I'll see what happens after because someone will make a scene of it.
It is so fun to see managers squirm when floor employees can do the math in their head and show them to be wrong. We were told that this week's target was 35000 parts completed. We said "That's not possible in 6 days, definitely not in 5, which was the week's plan." A manager piped in, "yes it is, two days this week we hit 5000 parts end of day." The floor worker replied "So....Not Enough!" The same manager answered "Last night we made 5800 parts end of day!" The floor worker repliaed "So....Not Enough!" At which point, the manager backpedaled out of the room. IT WAS GLORIOUS!
I worked security at a casino in California. They got to the point where they "Mandated" us being clocked out but still working for lunch. They did write ups, altered our time cards and everything. Then a guy got hurt One Time. Broke his arm and went to claim his benefits because it happened while he was working. Company tried to claim he was "on lunch" during that time and off the clock. He requested copies of the security tape for his lawyer to compare them with his time card they had edited. Suddenly we all had to take breaks again.
I used to work as a chef. large insurance company, they had a great year, so with the release of the earning reports they had a whole 2 days out of it with bonuses. Except for the hospitality department. We had to pull 2 20 hour days to feed over 2k people. Did we get any bonus like the rest of the company? We got "bronze awards" which is a $10 item off a small list of items the company gives away. Keep in mind, the insurance side is given flex time and work life perks, in short, multiple weeks vacation and in 2 weeks they have to work 80 hours, so if they stay late one day, the get to leave early another. In the hospitality department we were passed between multiple kitchens (cafe, country club, event center, ect, all owned by them) so that they could try to get out of overtime pay as we worked 50-60 hour weeks at $9 (2 year culinary degree required, if you stayed with the company for 15 years you could apply for them to pay of part of you remaining student loans). They did get busted for it, so they started laying off everyone for 3 months at a time so they did not get full time status and no benefits (2 year degree still required, no pay off now) I left there over 10 years ago, but for what I hear it has not changed
This sounds a lot like a certain insurer in Wisconsin. Unless it's common for insurance companies to have event centers and country clubs. That would explain why insurance is such a ripoff.
@@GeneralChangFromDanang I am not in Wisconsin, it is actually very common for insurer's main campus to have such things. They will pay to fly their top agents out a few times a year for a golf outing and banquet in their honor. who I worked for did it every 3 months
When I worked in a factory, they had a "12 and 2" policy; you work 12 days straight, you got 2 off. It's a fancy way of saying "every other weekend off". Thing is, the suits wanted you to work EVERY damn day, and every weekend. Taking your 2 days off was treated like you were personally betraying the company. They would accuse people of not having a good work ethic, not being committed, or not being a "team player" (never mind some of them came in early to help the earlier shift, or stay late to help transition, as well as work over on other projects. Most of them had spotless records, worked for the company for years, and had great yearly review stats.) Eventually, they started making threats about ending the 12 and 2 policy, but at that time Covid had kinda decimated the work environment, and other factories were starting to offer almost $10 more an hour what they were. Suddenly, they found themselves have to come up with new ways to get us to stay; threatening us with mandatory overtime when we wanted to enjoy a holiday led to US threatening them with going across to street to start at what we made in overtime.
OMG same I worked for a company that wanted us to work 10 hour shifts (plus an hour transit one way so really 12 hours) 7 days a week. When you didn't comply they shamed you in front of the other bootlicker employees who were good boys that sold their souls to the company for scraps. These corporations know people are desperate to eat and pay rent and support their families so they squeeze every punch of blood out of them that they can.
@@GeneralChangFromDanang Yeah, but they also only work for pennies on the dollar, 10-20 hours a day and the working conditions are so bad that people get really sick or hurt. They also employ children.
During the pandemic I worked for a company that was paying out 2-5k$ a year worth of bonuses just for working a minimum of 43 hours a week. The more hours you worked overtime the more bonus checks you got.
I just started a job getting 2 week vacation after first 30 days.. weekends off every other week. Dollar raise next year, 45-60 hour weeks. Starting at 22.50 a hour lol, pretty decent where i live now
The warehouse I use to work at didn't give us lunch breaks, if you were on the 10 hour shift you got three 20 minute breaks. At 12 hours the second break became a 30 minute break. But all of those breaks were clocked in.
@@cheesycheese7100 Depending on the state, You're not legally entitled to a break at all if you're an adult where I live; I've yet to work somewhere that doesn't allow a break however, as having hangry employees makes the profits go down.
As a delivery driver my employer recently forced me on an hour lunch because they couldn't discipline me for driving 3 minutes down the road on my route to use a restroom. They are salty now that I changed routes and still take the hour. Thanks for introducing me to the hour. I like it. Send me an air meet everyday.
I did an hourly a few years back, delivery driver. I was not clocking out for "lunch" and just grinding through delivering taking only a couple short breaks during the whole 6 to 10 hour shift. We were supposed to be getting paid for at least 8 hours, no matter if we finished our route in 3, so naturally they had set it up to encourage us to skip taking a long lunch break. Found out they were docking our pay 1.5 hours for the two 15 minute breaks and lunch. I told her I was done. Bosses like that deserve to go bankrupt.
I love the cynical look on the workers face the minute management opens his mouth. He’s already getting his waders ready to wade through the bullshit!😅
260 days work a year, 1500 bonus, that's a little over 5 per hour for that lunch break. Damn, a 75% pay cut for my totally legally-required lunchbreak sounds great boss. Thanks! I'm gonna call my union rep and let him know what a great idea this is
Sometimes the hour lunch thing is just a way to get them to keep you around longer. My job isn't extremely physical most of the time, but for me personally, I would rather just eat while working and go home an half hour or hour earlier if I am not getting paid for it. I can certainly understand if you're in an extremely physical job or one where every second of your time is spoken for when working, you might feel differently. For me, if I have to be at my workplace-whether I am working or on break- then it's still like being at work, it's another hour of the day that isn't really mine to do what I wish.
I worked at a job where the boss paid us biweekly. This is typical at a lot of places so no big deal there, but he also calculate overtime biweekly as well. So if you worked 48 hours one week and 32 hours the next week, you'll only get a flat 80 hour paycheck. In reality you should have gotten paid 40 hours + 8 hours OT + 32 hours. This went on for years because most of us were young and didn't push back. Then we got an office manager who came in and told him it was wrong. The boss pushed back and said that he spoke with his attorney and his attorney said it was okay but very next week he changed it to where you'll earn OT in the week that you worked it.
I went from a job like this to a job that almost gets mean about us not taking our lunch. My boss told me when I started "legally I get one hour a day where I get to make you clock off and leave my presence and I defenitely need it so there's no way your gonna skip it." When I ran grocery stores I used to tell my employees "we say I'm taking a break becuaee it's yours to take, not mine to give. We organize it to make sense but it can't be denied"
Ya I just started a job recently where we have factory and site work, and in the factory there are cameras everywhere and a bell sounds at start, smoko, lunch and end. During the 20 minute paid break and 30 minute unpaid break, there is to be *no* work, no discussion of work, no thought of work, its our time. We can clock on and start early, clock off and finish late, but by god we must take breaks. On site though, we can choose to skip them and get OT if its practical for the work load.
As someone who works manual labor stacking 50, 50lb bags onto pallets all day long, yes I absolutely do need that hour long lunch break I value that 1 hour almost more then anything else during the day.
I used to have an hour lunch at a job I didn’t really like. So I treasured it. Now I work with people at a company that I’m truly happy with and 30 minutes is enough to eat, but I also get several 15 minute breaks during the day so I guess it really depends on how your treated as a whole and your attitude towards the job itself.
Yea morale is huge. I've always found if people like working with/for you, they'll take enough of a break to feel refreshed and do their job more effectively, and not much more than that even when offered. The rare occasion people have taken much more for me, is when theres so little to do its really impossible to be occupied, otherwise most of the time they even turn down additional breaks when offered. My old job required 15 mins every 2 hrs, sometimes I'd be able to get it up to 1 hr working, 30 min break for my crew tho (on rotation), and on rare occasions even better than that. When theres stuff to do though, even when I could do 15-30 mins a bit sooner than the 2 hour mark people would turn it down
My experience is they'll force you into taking two 15min breaks, that require at least a 5min walk to an acceptable break area, which also means that it's a 5min walk back. Leaving you with a 5 min break you might not want and a 30 min lunch break that equates to another 5 min lunch because of the commute time.
ive always held that my breaks start when im in the brake location and end when i leave, puncher be dammed, that long walk is work related travel not recreation!!!!
@@sdfxcvblank5756same tbh. My last job, I'd only clockwatch peoples breaks if we were especially tight, otherwise they could just take as long as they needed. Starts when they're somewhere comfortable, not paying any attention to work, ends when they feel refreshed and feel like getting back into it. Contrary to popular management belief, most people get bored quite quickly and actually enjoy working if treated well
I knew a department that required all employees to take their 30 minute break at the same time. Nobody wanted to wait for a microwave to heat up lunch, so each employee brought in his own microwave, and the employer had to wire in extra circuits so all the microwaves could run at once.
Bruh my part-time job bagging groceries tried pulling this shit. Took them a month to fold on it because literally like five people across all 16 stores fell for it--managers included.
This company is more generous than most the ones I worked for. Most just ask us to work off the clock without any extra pay. Though to be fair on the lunch thing, it's kind of true. You really don't need an hour lunch unless there is no where to eat on site and you have to go some where else to eat. The worst is jobs in where it takes like 10 minutes to remove all your tools and work gear, which the company tries to force you to do after already clocking out.
At my job, we don't even get time off for lunch or officially scheduled breaks, but as it's in-home healthcare, if nothing needs to be done and the client wants to sleep, we have free time. And my client likes to sleep a LOT of the time.
"If we get enough opposition it will be mandatory" is a phrase that always follow something no employee wants to do. It's not like management has ever said "we're gonna buy everyone steak subs for lunch and you get an extra 30 minutes to eat. Paid. If we get enough opposition it will be mandatory." It's always something like "we need volunteers to work this entire weekend, if we don't get enough volunteers it will be mandatory."
I've had discussions like this at a job. They absolutely love it when you say "Hey, just to make sure I understand it correctly, can I get this all in writing." Because they know what they're doing is illegal, and I've got no problem burning a company that screws us like that to the ground, legally.
This is also why unions are a good thing.
@@SavageGreywolfUnions suck balls in 99.99% of cases.
@@SavageGreywolf unions can also be a bad thing hence the police force and cops repeatedly getting caught planting drugs etc getting rehired in a week.
You're not OWED a lunch, dumb, entitled MILLINEAL. This is why your generation is FULL of failures.
@@oyeahisbest123 Last union job I worked their primary role was to convince us to just take it when the company was fucking us. Unions don't guarantee shit.
You laugh, but I've worked for a company like this, a large metal shop. Management decided that one half-hour break during a ten hour shift was too long, so they cut us down to twenty minutes. One single, twenty minute break for an entire ten hour shift. I left the same week to pursue better opportunities.
I too work similar job. Turns out aint no one gonna take the legal battle to tell me to stop "shitting"
So um
Level up, man, boss makes a dolla, i make a dime, that's why i take my smartphone to the shitter on company time.
Was it at least only 4 days a week? 😂
I had a part time job in a metal shop, 7 hours a day, two 15 minute breaks, I enjoyed the job except for some of the back stabbing nasty people who worked there.
Good for you
@@threadtapwhisperer5136 we call it a Hulu shit
If it becomes "mandatory", that's when you take a walk over to the DOL and file a wage theft claim.
What’s ironic is technically all wage labor is wage theft but there’s little other way of making income in our economic culture.
@@gwynjustice6664 This is a discussion of real things that can be done to ensure healthy, legal workplace conditions, not idealist campus commie "in a perfect world" pipe dream shit. Sure, all piece wage and salaried work is "wage theft" because you're not getting paid literally 100% of the value your work produces in cash, but in a system where you're using other people's infrastructure and supplies to create that value, you forfeit the right to a certain amount of it.
@@gwynjustice6664 Thats retarded, how is it theft if you've agreed to the terms of the trade?
The DOL will spend more time grilling you for proof you don't have if you do this. Get it in writing and then go to the DOL. Then they HAVE to help you.
I know this is different, but I was kinda blown away when I found out your work doesn't have to give you any break or lunch. At least in Florida, Idk about other states.
I had amazing boss once. He got ordered by the management to illegally change the way they paid us for working hours (the way we clocked in and out, how they counted our lunch time etc). He said: "this are the new rules the corporate told me to present to you, also they told me to not tell you to contact the ministry of labor and/or our powiat labor inspector, so you should not contact our local powiat labor inspector in {city name, street name} under any circumstances, so don't do it especially from 8-15 monday to friday, that's a big no-no".
Great guy.
What a hero
Sounds like a boss people would work for.
When someone tells you NOT to contact anyone to see if this is illegal, it's illegal. lmao
@@eviljoshy3402 i usually make notes about who to contact immediately after these kinds of discussions
@@eviljoshy3402 not sure if you got the point but it was a clever way of telling his workers to call the ministry of labor and report the illegal change.
"i dont earn anything in that hour, but its an hour i value at higher than 20 dollars. so unless you can match that, i dont want to hear it"
Doing the math that yearly bonus just ends up being like $6 an hour.
@@petelee2477up, and I can guess you make more than that too 😂
@@petelee2477 if you figure that hour would be in it then it would be even lower...lol
Also worth noting that this should be considered overtime since working an extra hour each day will quickly push you up over 40 hours for the week. So that time should be valued at nearly double your normal wages.
@trentsims time and a half is the "standard" as far as I know. Double would be if you in a job that pushes you any time over 12 hours on one shift, which aren't a lot other than stuff like emergency services.
I’ve done this math argument with management. They definitely don’t like thinkers on the crew!😂
well, they gotta realize that out of 30, 40 people, or whatever, there will be at least one, or two guys that passed middle school.
management hates it when the rank-and-file use math to discover their schemes. It's like sorcery.
I found out we weren't actually getting paid Overtime and I took it up with HR and they tried explaining themselves like we were actually making more money because of Taxes
"We don't pay you to think!"
@@deltasixgaming >because of taxes
If an HR person told me that I'd laugh, because that means that they shouldn't be HR at all.
“If we get enough opposition, we’ll mandate it.” is the single worst line that immediately brings my blood to a boil; and I’ve worked in a couple of places that said it (or a line like it, anyway) too. I quit those places soon after.
Me personally I just ignore them with the madating shit. If I'm going to quit might as well do what I want and if thats not enough let em fire me. I'll have a job before the end of the week. They will be still trying to replace me years from now considering my office has been working 6-7 days a week for 3 years.
iT's No LoNgEr VoLuNtArY, nOw iT's VolUnTolD.
If they mandate something illegal, start saving things, and obviously dont follow the mandate.
If they fire you over it, thats a payday.
If they mandate it, you get the paperwork for it and contact the DOL, cuz that's a fatass payday waiting to happen.
Similar thing happened where I worked. The company bungled itself and fired most of the lower level staff. They then started offering meager bonuses for working a certain amount of overtime each week. When no one was signing up for overtime, they just started adding three hours to everyone's shifts every day or scheduling them on their days off without any notice and then punished people who didn't get the memo.
Been there, done that. Then at the end of the year they say, "gee, we didn't have that good of year so we can't pay it out"
And I'll bet they also reported "Record Profits" too, right?
Yea and the big bosses all go to Mexico for a week and a half for a deep sea fishing trip
That’s when you take your copy of the policy that you received in writing and got signed by management and take it to the government and file a report
There comes a point when you realize your time is worth more than any money.
you don't realize what you truly have until it's gone.
Not many alternatives to excel and do more then get by though. Hell, even social media streamers work their butts off. You could just say screw it and not work. Live off government subsidy that someone else worked for. End up in a tent camp, wondering where your gonna get your next hit from. Perspective I guess.
@@looking4themountain "your gonna"
@@looking4themountain Every day I spend working the alternative keeps sounding better and better
@@looking4themountain File as an illegal apparently gets you a free home, vehicle and phone. Just cant be american. Imagine
😂 i was crunching the numbers already when he started working on it.. hilarious
These companies think all the employees are stupid, I swear lol
so was I before he even said anything I was already like even if they stay clocked in a 40 hour work week for a year is 2080 hours this "bonus" is less than $1 per hour, then he said no you legally have to be clocked out for lunch and any thought that I might even consider that went away
@Brendan Conley Math much? 😂 There's only 365 days in a year, if you get a 1-hour lunch break and never have a day off, you are "on break" for 365 hour per year. It obviously way less than that because most get 2 days off per week and some only get 30 min breaks. Taking that into account, it's about 200 hours ( × $20/hr) = $4,000 of unpaid breaks.
Also add to the fact taxes would be taken out of the $1,500 so probably $1,100 "bonus". Once had a boss wanted me to train techs "after" work and he would provide dinner for one hr. a week. First one went well with dinner. Next week he didn't provide dinner so class ended that day.
@@MarshallPatrick let's not even get started on how big of a hole they would've dug if they made it mandatory. If they did that OSHA might have a few up to $10,000 words/employee if they caught wind. Assuming your in the US of course.
That reminds me a 4 star hotel I used to work at when they started a "new program" - confiscating all tips from the staff. Following this announcement in the span of 20 days 1/4 of the staff left, so did 1/2 of managers, heads of departments and chefs. On day 22 the kitchen collapsed, left a pork belly outside for 2 days, then served it and poisoned half of a wedding party. Good times.
and they probably hired a new staff who didn’t know any better going forward
@@XCeazyX That's their business model. An average employee lasts there several months. They rarely get local people or even people from the country. Traditional hotel chain in Britain with most people there hired from the other side of the European continent.
Ild make sure that the party doesn't tip
@@petrmaly9087 In the USA many hotels have their entire cleaning crew as illegal immigrants who speak very little or no English. The government doesn't even try arresting them or placing fines on them anymore either because they're paid under the table or they don't care.
That wedding party didn’t deserve that 😟
I worked at Little Caesars and we ran a skeleton shift. A lot of "responsibilities" would get placed on the crew and managers and we had to get prep work done, stations cleaned and shut down, all on our shifts. The problem was is that we struggled to do all of these responsibilities on the clock. They expected us to have a single manager and 1 crew member get an entire store ready within 1 hour. That's also counting getting registers setup, money counted and bank deposit ready. Managers, for years, would come in an hour early and work off the clock so they didn't have to struggle so hard. This mindset of theirs was then pushed upon the crew. I hand numerous times were I had to clock out and do the last 30 minutes of cleaning off the clock. Eventually a manager at another store was fed up with the abuse and contacted the Labor Board. I was one of the people who was interviewed and I told them the honest truth. Yeah, I got an extra paycheck for all the times they saw I had to work off the clock.
They pulled the same crap at a Subway I worked at. 🙄 One of my coworkers was always there working atleast 30 minutes before clocking in.
The closers at the other locations talked about working 2 or 3 hrs after clocking out but some of them put up with it because they got crazy good tips from the drunks. Unfortunately, some were naïve enough to think it would help get them into management. Who were of course exploited as well 🤦♀️
Unfortunately, here in Florida resources are very limited for workers rights
Man, y'all in food service always get so shafted. I know profit margins in restaurants *can* be razor thin at times, but the amount of bullshit you people get saddled with is absolutely horrifying. I haven't worked as a dishwasher for a long time, but mad respect to the industry when you can make it without it being a shitshow.
I actually like Little Caesars so it's good to hear you guys fighting back against management.
i didnt work off the clock but same,from Tennessee to Michigan LC are Fuked at everyone ive worked. glad im out
These companies dont realize that Gen Z is not playing this bullshit. Millenials like myself are the last gen to get even remotely suckered and thats cause OUR supervisors were still stuck in that "abusive hardwork pays off" mentality.
We've all had experiences like this but we don't call it for what it is. Criminal behavior.
Always loved the "It's completely voluntary" line when it VERY obviously wasn't.
It is voluntary. As long as there's enough people willing to take one for the team.....
@bronxishomenomatterwhereig3149 management's definition of "voluntary" is VERY different from everyone else's definition. One of the best examples of the management/worker disconnect is the whole "pieces of flare" scene in Office Space.
Yeah the FedEx/unilever warehouse I use to work for pulled this crap all the time. Said OT was "COMPLETELY VOLUNTARY! Don't worry about it!" when I was hired but then mandate it nearly everyday because people were like "Nah. Why do I wanna come in my day off?". Even when I had outside events going on and let them know in advance for it they gave me points for being absent because of the mandates.🙄 I didn't sign up for it and was punished for it. FedEx/Unilever can suck it.
Make them give it in writing next time.
You said VOLUNTARY and now I’m being demerited?
violations of the law will not be accepted.
"Nobody needs an hour to eat lunch."
*Clasps hands
I disagree... I need 10 min to talk myself out of choking my boss out. 10 min to get to where I'm buying food from. 15 min to order, pay for, and eat said food. 10 min to get back to the job site. 10 minutes to talk myself out of burning the f*cking building down. 5 minutes to talk myself into not quitting and getting back to work. When you add all that up.. would you look at that? 1 hour.
Job requirements: "Must be competent in basic arithmetic"
*worker figures out an offer is actually a scam*
Managers: "Wait, no! Not like that! That's illegal!"
Why yes, it is very illegal what you’re trying to do 😂
Yeah I did that to a company when I was driving. Told them made no sense to do it anymore.
I had an employer gaslight everyone with a “great new” pay plan that ended up costing most people 40% of their pay for even more effort & hours worked over the first 6 months. They emphasized that they were no longer “limiting” how much we would make by encamping the upper possible earning potential but drastically lowering the minimum pay. They framed it as them being on the side of the salespeople, and bringing back the managers’ favorite pay plan from when they were salespeople (back in the 80’s and 90’s but who’s keeping track right). Magically out staff meetings turned from finding ways to hit sales goals but having very stable/sustainable sales figures to having wild spikes and droughts in sales with losses off employees but the company posting the best “profits” in a decade. They didn’t bother matching for most of the GED and barely high school graduate workforce that the new “profits” were just them drastically cutting costs and making it take 50% more work per person to get 70-80% of the previously standard results if not worse. They also hired 10 new people to flood the floor and water down every individual’s opportunities to other a marginal and inconsistent boost to the company’s numbers. Mass walkouts and piss poor morale followed quickly. Hope those bastards burn for trashing a previously good place to work while wearing those $hi+ eating grins.
Yeah, I had a similar kind of experience for a place I did door to door sales at. Instead of a payplan, however, we had a selection of different services we provided, and pay was dependent on those services. All in all, though, only one selection was ever made per sale to the customer, and all payouts for them were the same. However, the service, thus the commision, was subject to change month to month. One month, without really any reason, they decided to effectively half our commission without notice. So one week every representative suddenly got alot less than they should, and nobody knew until they were getting paid out. We all looked for any other changes and noticed that all fee's waived cancelation rights was extended by seven days.... and was no longer matching our commission payout. Okay, guess I'll do my job then, doing the whole transparency thing you were aiming for. Highlighting stuff isn't illegal so i guess i'll highlight two sentences.
One additional tidbit: For the year i worked to upto that point, the typical expectation was for the monthly contracts to be identical unless otherwise informed. We are doing contracts from such and such month till whenever? Opening part of the monthly meeting. Each sale is worth $0.25 more this month? Informed at monthly meeting. Additional one day of service end of term in next year due to a holiday? Informed at monthly meeting. Long weekend resulting in this month's pay being paid out one day later? Informed at monthly meeting. Vanishing half our commission in fine text scattered throughout the contract? Not important enough to tell us.
@@reallygoogle5481 at least I knew that my income was about to drastically change. Only two of us were experienced enough to know it amongst the non-management staff, so nobody believed us as we tried to warn them before signing new contracts. You didn’t even know until the paychecks were short. That’s cold blooded and shady. Hope it cost that employer millions and made them unhirable in the future. Probably didn’t, but I can dream right?
This comment is from an entitled crazy person. A formidable negotiator though
You can swear on the internet, zero need to censor yourself
Yup these days anything "without a guarentee" is trash. With employers looking for every opportunity. Like I did piece rate back in day it was great bust ass get weeks pay by lunch day 2-3. Now you crush it kill it for piece rate you make less than you would as a hourly employee. But if you get on bosses bad side or they just accept alot of bad jobs. Doesn't matter that "hallway has 6 doorways you have to cut in its only 20sq feet". Throw in how quick they are to throw backcharges and ding you for anything "customer always right" mentality.
But rule one these days since it "devalues" your product (time) and they begin to expect future freebies. Never work for free, and if you do you will be working 3 peoples job for same pay as you started. And passed over for promotion as your "irreplaceable".
Working construction companys tend to be small and less stable. And I if pays late welp I agreed to front 2 weeks pay I will start again when its in my account. Suddenly and magically it appears and they never ever do it to "me" again. Those that dont fuss it will end up taking another 2 weeks to get check. And occur at increasing frequency. One company that went under one of guys as we were leaving was worried as he had let them get 6 weeks behind. And its like yup thats why you put foot down.
This guy has that "don't kill the messenger" energy.
I know that the caricature is supposed to be a bad supervisor, but even a bad supervisor knows when they are going to get absolutely dunked when delivering garbage news.
"no-no it's illegal to make you work without a break so we're going to make it look like we're giving you a break"
As someone with a cushy office job and an hour lunch break, (half an hour unpaid, state law mandates half an hour paid for shifts over a certain number of hours) the extra half hour makes a huge difference. I can take a nap if I need it (I usually do), chill and socialize, meditate, go for a walk, etc. and come back to work way more refreshed. If I worked a more physical job like I did in college I'd need it even more and absolutely take a nap every time.
I worked construction for about two years and if anybody tried to get me to work through a lunch by the end of those two years of bullshit I would have been a lot less kind than this video.
I work 12 hour days at my office job and work through my lunch time, eating lunch at my desk while still working. But on my timesheet every day I write down that I work 12 and a half hour days so that I get paid for my full 12 hour days.
Eh, I'd rather get out of work a half hour sooner than be dicking around at work while not getting paid. We have 30 minute lunches at the place I work now and it's perfect. Grab a bite, shoot the shit for a bit, and then back at it to get the day over with.
You need a nap for an office job? Man come try mine, all physical labor with a half hour lunch and another 10 minute break.
Here in my country 1 hour launch break is mandatory by law no matter how many hours you work in a day and its all paid too
...and if you get hurt in that hour you're clocked out and still working, well, you're on your own...
Just wanted to say it's nice to see a fellow 3%er!
@@froggiman1 after Mike Vanderboegh passed, I kept hoping for someone to pick up the banner and run with it...his son did, for a little while, and then..no one.
@@warhorse03826 It sucks because as much as I want someone too also, I know that I am not in a position too (or want the responsibility), so I guess I can't complain that no one else will.
If you fall off the ladder you’re fired before you hit the floor.
@@henryjantz and then they charge you with trespassing....
I once had a boss that tried to shame me for spending time with my dying father instead of working overtime…..needless to say, it did not work lol. I wish I would’ve found a way to publicly humiliate him over it…
When my grandmother was close to death I gave the company I work for a heads up that in the near future when I say I have to go, I’m gonna need time off. They were like “you can’t just dictate when you’re taking time off like that”. Oh I’m sorry I don’t control when she dies.
Honestly, the fucker should have been cold cocked for that.
tape recorders work well
If you’re in a single party consent state I’d say there’s nothing stopping you from recording them.
His time will come
I once had a manager that handed me a write up paper for something that was not my fault and told me to sign it. I refused and he wrote my name under employee signature. I pulled out my phone and googled nearby lawyers. He said "You can't have your phone in here. That's another write up!" I told him "You just forged my signature. That's a felony and I'm getting a lawyer". He tore up the write up and walked away.
My company tried something like this (just without the bonus) and they opened the memo with "Exciting News!" This is pretty much the HR equivalent of talking with a lot of energy to get a dog hyped up to go to the park when you're actually taking him to the vet.
I'm lucky that they're transparent enough to have manager training material open to everyone but this is also one of those Pandora's Box situations. Instead of referring to people as Employees or Workers, they straight up use the term "Resources" and they believe that work-related-stress is more valuable to these Resources than their actual wage. (example; An employee is overwhelmed at work and at home so quits so she can start her dream job of being a painter but also take care of everything going on at home, etc. Months later, she's established with a steady flow of clients but isn't happy. Why? Because she doesn't have enough stress, obviously! F*** you.)
Reminds me of a story my relative told me about where she worked. She and others would be exploited..., ahem, I mean they would "donate" 1 day of their paycheck to the company as a show of good-faith because of everything the company had done for them. Let's just say that did not go over well, and the company was caught with their pants down.
Place I used to work, management would refer to employees as "heads" when meeting to discuss the manpower required to complete jobs.
Then new management came in and said the term "heads" was no longer allowed, and "FTE" would have to be used instead. "FTE" stood for "full-time equivalent" because the term "heads" was too personal and made you feel like the workers were people.
So...yeah... I left that company pretty quickly once I saw where things were going with the new leadership.
EDIT: Just Googled the name of the guy that was pushing all these scumbag practices, and it looks like he no longer works there (which I expected). He's one of those jerkoff executives that jumps from company to company every few years, runs them into the ground while pocketing a bunch of cash, and then bails when there's nothing left for him to personally suck out of the company.
I shit you not. I've not had a company have a mandatory lunch break in YEARS. Landscaping, metal fab, construction none. I worked a couple years ago doing concrete. working 12 13 hours a day without a break, (McConnell concrete)no lunch and if a new guy asks "when's lunch" they're immediately made fun of and deemed lazy by the more "hard core" "imma man's man" "haven't missed a day to make my boss man his next million yet" guys... I work hard, don't bitch, but I ain't stupid either. Now I work about 6hours a day for good $ with a good friend and we make a killing, if I have my choice I'll never go back to work for someone other than myself
Yup I worked an HVAC job like that and they did the same things on my first day and also let me know I would not be getting paid for the entire time I worked. Company policy, ya know...
So I cut my losses and quit right then.
@7F0X7 If I'm there, I expect to get paid lol no way anyone should be expecting you to be there with no payment for even a small percentage of the day.
@@7F0X7 When I worked HVAC the asshole tried to claim he didn't have to pay transit time. This was to a jobsite over an hour from the office. The office mind you not from my house or anything. I'm like as soon as I'm at the office to get started I'm on the clock don't matter if my ass is warming a seat If i'm not at home doing what I want your paying me.
@@123chargeit Yup, that's what they did so me so I never worked for them again.
I don't get a lunch break at my current job (Though other employees do), however as a result they look the other way while I take smaller breaks throughout the day on the clock. I figure I get paid for an hour, hour and a half of doing nothing every single day.
By law if you are giving them an unpaid lunch break, you need to give them a real lunch break and are not allowed to allow them to work through it. Once you do something like have them clock out but make them work through it, the entire time must be fully compensated.
Wal-Mart, that is all... I had to argue with a manager over night shift about day light saving time "no no you get paid for working 10pm to 7 am, you aren't getting an extra hour, you are working 10pm to 7am"
I had to get 2 rulers, and show her a physical representation of how you roll a clock back during the night for savings time, and she stormed off telling me she wasn't going to discuss this anymore.
I left at 6 am, they didn't bother writing me up.
Wait.....so somehow because your shift was supposed to happen during the time in which the clock rollback happens you were just supposed to lose an hour of pay? The hell kind of dumbass was in charge of that brilliant idea.
I'd ask how many hours they're paying for, and explain you'll work the same number of hours they are paying you for. Set up a timer in front of one of the cameras for the shift lol
There is actually a daylight savings adjustment in most payroll systems. I know adp has it.
The law says they have to pay you for the actual hours you work, so you could have also reported that cunt
My dad and I run a small business. Started a few guys off as 1099 because we didn’t have the money to bring them on as W2. Few months later brought them on as employees with full bennies and I take advantage of employer-based tax reimbursement so we offer childcare assistance, wellness and tuition reimbursement as well. We do guaranteed yearly holiday bonus and 5% raise every year. OT goes to PTO. AND WE STILL MAKE MONEY.
DO NOT let someone walk over you. Make no mistake: YOU are providing a business owner financial freedom. Workers hold all the power and people who can take advantage of you will continue to do so.
I’ve always said, the most powerful person at a company is the dishwasher.
The dishwasher is not the most powerful person. In fact they are the most expendable. It's cute to say but come on dawg.
My last job gave us 2% of our yearly salary as an "end of year" bonus if we hit certain metrics which included forced overtime weekend and major holidays. When we pushed back and said yea I dint think 1500 a year taxed to hell is worth missing Thanksgiving with my family they got mad like we were in the wrong. I told them I literally can work 1 hr overtime a week and make A lot more than that. They can't understand cuz they weren't getting 2% management was closer to 10 or higher. 10-12k money makes a lot of sense compared to 1500
Their bonus was contingent on making sure you worked through holidays. They understood just fine.
@@enginerdy I should have rephrased they certainly knew just fine you're right. They just wouldn't admit it
I quit a warehouse job like this, went back to school, spent 6 years busting my ass, got an engineering degree… my first year my “bonus” was $1,100. While I was making $66k. I asked my boss what I needed to do to “improve productivity” I was told… you guessed it. They weren’t sure. Exactly. But working 45 hours a week would be a good start.
This shit is fucking rampant and it’s disgusting.
Not just factory I worked in a office that pulled this.
@@iwritechecksatthegrocerystorethanks for the view
I quit being a mechanic from doing my apprenticeship in my own workshop alone with only a couple local experts , one a ford tuner , a lock smith/ mechanic and my favourite guy the auto electrician, all I got to get info from not without a lot of self learning (being in a wrecking yard) I had access to mess with whatever I want from latest model to old land cruisers and 1 day a week at tech.
Anyway I was basically used by big online car dealers to fix stuff their guys couldn’t which seemed like the most simple stuff sometimes. A lot of warranty claims since we supplied used engine ect and 90% of the issues was the installation shops not doing things properly ,eg buying and engine for a diesel hilux because their customer bent rod/s doing a water crossing.. they installed the engine and did not even touch the intercooler. They tried to say the engine was a dud but when I got it in my work shop and heard the history I immediately unbolted the intercooler and got a couple hundred ml out of it.
I don’t like that I could basically be skilled enough to be a master mechanic but get paid cents above award minimum.
I now slack of (or try to, it’s hard when no one else can do their job without hand holding) at a hire company that’s having massive management issues (no one joining)
I get paid almost double to do retail work and even though they want every staff to be hands on with the equipment they’re all young and only want to answer phones and deal with customers slowly to drag out their day. I get to focus on keeping the fleet up to standard but always have to help them out despite no help from them with equipment. When there is no customers you should be servicing and inspecting equipment and then keeping the branch up to scratch with weekly toolbox talks ect. Anyway I feel like even this job has too much hand holding . And I’m just a low grunt because I’m essentially in holiday mode until I figure out where the better places to work are. And it looks like trades in a naval base would be best with people working there actually experienced.
The best part is the profit share that you never get, supposed to be 3 a year up to $5000 each quarter , but your lucky if you get $500 total for the year. thanks to going full nazi with QOM expectations during Covid when they lost most staff and branches running with no management, the most experienced person being a ex maccas crew that’s been there a year and half .
im sure entrusting the operation of your business to people who havent had a break in 10 hours is a foolproof plan for unlimited profit. good luck bossman.
I remember when i worked at hallmark they gave us a 20 min lunch and their reason was because you don't have to clock out. Mind you it was a 10 hour shift. I heard from a jaded team lead they changed how lunch was because they felt letting people clock out and have 40 minutes was cutting into their time and they wanted people to be more "productive"
So yeah everyone was overworked and they had a unrealistic point system that was next to impossible to make so its like a never ending revolving door of new people coming in, seeing how shit they are treated then quitting. I quit after 5 months and found a more chill job making springs in a factory. At least they let me listen to audio books and aren't forcing mandatory overtime
Quite literally one of the fastest ways for a company to be sued into oblivion by it's workers. Went through one of these a few years ago and got a nice chunk of change just for having worked at the plant during the time the suit was for.
I worked for a company that only gave one 15 min break unless you worked 9hr+. I just so happened to have to go to the bathroom 5-8 times per shift or had to "go make a phone call or run to my car real quick". There's ALWAYS ways around bs policies.
and the funny part is that smokers were allowed to take random smoke breaks....
Shit on company time
@@tillburr6799 Nah, they track that too.
@@prettyshortshorts depends who “they” is
@@tillburr6799 managers XD
That half-second chin scratch when the boss mentions working through lunch is spot on.
I started doing the math as soon as the numbers were mentioned too. The business wants $5220 worth of labor for $1500. I can easily see someone resting after collapsing from exhaustion and the business counts that as the employee taking their break, therefore disqualifying them from the bonus.
I worked for Jeld-wen manufacturing doors for almost 5 years, during that time they eliminated benefit packages across the board. When one of my co-workers asked when they would be returning, the plant manager said, and i quote: "you are getting paid, right? That sounds like a benefit to me."
I checked out after that.
Big companies like that will do anything BUT pay their work force competitively.
Benefits is extra.
Payment is the LAW.
It’s like saying paying for an item is a benefit for the store.
Well if the hour is legally mandated and they are forcing you to work it, that's wage theft. Report them straight to the labor department
It’s amazing that there are so many people with jobs that don’t understand this kind of crap goes on every day. I’m so glad you’re like us, just make a joke about it so we can laugh before we cry. (And keep working) 😂love your vids👏🏻👌🏻
Thats why you find that work place hazard that your employer refuses to tackle, report it, document it, and if you go stark raving mad, and decide you can't do it anymore, just take a tumble over that foot-fall-liability and sue. Lawyers gotta chase ambulances might as well make em chase it while you're taking a nice good long work place break.
@@MarketResearchReading114 perfect idea.
@@MarketResearchReading114 bad idea to be dealing w lawyers as a working class, they exist to serve the owners. Loopholes may not apply, kinda like international law vs sovereign citizen. Okay for a corporation, but not an individual
I think the horror of it is there's plenty who know, but feel obligated to stay for some reason or other...and that's what these kinds of practices and their practitioners count on.
If I can say one good thing about my experience working in the medical field, it's not having to deal with this. Oh there are plenty of other headaches, but at least not your employer trying to steal from you. The Marines is just a constant bend over and get F'ed job environment. You are at the complete mercy of the brass and the hard charging corporals in command trying to make sergeant, and most of them don't even know their butts from holes in the ground where your actual job function is concerned. It's a given you are going to work longer than you are supposed to and be poorly compensated for it. Everyone was overworked and underappreciated, and that was in the 90's before they took wrecking ball to the military. I can't even imagine what it is like today with the recruiting shortfalls. I've dealt with very similar situations in the private sector too. Walmart was one of the worst. I never had them ask me to work off the clock, but I know people who they have asked. My issue with them in this regard, was that you always had to watch your checks like a hawk. ALWAYS! They screwed up my paychecks more times than should be possible if they were actually addressing the issue as they claimed. At some point, you just have to wonder if they were making accidental on purpose accounting errors and hoping nobody noticed.
The "above and beyond" bonus is wage theft and they know it. Otherwise they wouldn't be dancing around the clock-out system and Christmas bonus. Never agree to stuff like that and if they try and mandate it, that's when you start looking at a lawsuit
I'm retired after 28 jobs over 48 years, every boss I ever had, come to work at 10, lunch from 12:30 to 3 or not come back at all on Mondays and Fridays, then hang out until 6...5 hrs a day with a 2-3 hr lunch break. When they were there, they just talked on the phone like they could just do from home anyway.
I would be like, "So what would the state say to you telling me to work off the clock?"
Also just to remind you all: if by chance you happen to get hurt while you're off the clock, not only does workman's comp NOT cover any lost time or medical expenses, but you also are likely to get fired for not taking your lunch because the company's gonna try to CYA so they don't get hit with fines.
"Legally we have to do that" LOL. The employment lawyer in me is dying. 🤣
“You don’t need an hour to eat”
No but you can also take a 20 minute Power Nap, read a book, catch up on your messages, watch videos on your phone, drive somewhere in town to take care of something, and just relax.
Years ago, in college, I worked for Eddie Bauer. They were bought by Spiegels. Part of Spiegel's operation was a month to support UNICEF. We were afforded the privilege of "choosing" days to work extra hours, where instead of getting paid, it would go to UNICEF. They also liked scheduling "on call" hours. I worked three jobs while also being a full time student. I didn't have time or money to be "on call" and not actually work. Needless to say I quit that job after 3 months. It was more hassle than it was worth compared to my other jobs.
They just used you as a tax write-off. They got to use you for production, then sent your wages to charity and got a tax write-off for it. Scandalous.
On God, worked a job at Walmart that saw me with 1 other person doing a job that every single one of our store managers fully acknowledged could not be done by 2 people, but unlike other employees we were never, under any circumstances, allowed to leave until that job until was finished for the night, but would be fired if we were clocked in more than 40 hrs.
Let's say the impossible job made us leave at 10am instead of 7am. We would have to come in 3 hours late for our next shift. Which, of course, made us 3hrs more behind on that nights work, which management already knew was impossible to do during a full shift.
Edit: This is only like the 3rd worst shit I've seen them do.
Sounds like stocking the pet food area
Not the least beat surprised. It's Wal-Mart. They don't particularly have a good track record with the retail end especially.
I was fired from Wal-Mart for going to lunch 2min late.
I remember in high school, my after school job tried to pull shit like this and keep us 2 hours after our finish time to “finish the daily work we had t completed”
My dad was picking me up.
He was PISSED and called the owner. Words were said about how you treat employees. Threats were made.
This was when he sat me down and gave me the talk about “hostile work environments” “constructive dismissal” and “workplace abuse”.
I’m from New Zealand not the US which means you can take your employer to court for “constructive dismissal” which is when they make your work so unpleasant or unreasonable that they essentially force you quit. It is a form of unfair dismissal which if an employer is found to have done the usual penalty is paying the person you unfairly dismissed a years wages/salary.
And the real kicker, in New Zealand unlike the US if you take someone to court, there losing party has to pay the legal costs of the winning party.
I was a cart pusher for Walmart. They scheduled our lunch breaks but then yelled at us for taking said breaks...
What companies dont seem to understand is the more breaks you give someone the higher productivity goes and the less mistakes likely to be made.
I agree. That goes with anything.
I recently worked for a company that had a yearly bonus that was given to everyone based on production. I have a law degree, don't ask, so I always look at documents.
Turns out that the yearly bonus was based off of a percentage of a variable number.
The variable number was based on how many reports were turned in that were then found to be efficient and save the money company.
No one was turning in the reports because of how long they take to do, so company only had to pay a fraction of what it would have had to pay in overall bonuses.
"So um, I'm just gonna give my labor lawyer a call. Just real quick and run this by him. Just, just real quick.
Why are you running?"
This isn't actually the worst thing I've seen. I had something worse happen.
I asked for a raise after 1 and a half years, was told they cant afford it because they need to evaluate their profits, so I just work extra 6 months then ask.
I put my 110% into those 6 months because I had a daughter and I needed solid income. I was hyped, going to ask for a little more than originally cause it was 6 months, and I even had a dream where they said yes and gave me a bonus.(I didnt get a christmas bonus that year) I asked again, and they said, instead of working for more, why dont you work more? For the same price? Then in ANOTHER 6 months they might give me a raise.
I quit and now I make twice the income at a new job. Every other job I applied to was shocked by what they were paying me.
I've got $4 total raise the last year. I didn't even ask for it. Got promoted too and given keys to the store. Didn't ask for it. It pays to work without expecting anything in return, but just working.
@@user-fb5un2rd5i Jewish privilege it sounds like.
@@user-fb5un2rd5i Wow, you're giving the Brothers Grimm a run for their money with that fairy tale.
@@user-fb5un2rd5i That’s called having a good(relatively) boss
@@CrizzyEyes lol, I don't quite understand what you mean.
Once worked at a call center, that had us upsell insurance for cell phones. It was like if we sold 500 dollars worth of insurance we'd get a prize. It was a 5 minute extra break, and a 10 dollar voucher for the kiosk they owned
Im surprised he didnt say "guys its just one single hour for 1500 dollars" making it seem like its not everyday
As a manager myself I’m almost positive idea like that would came from “higher” power (most likely owner’s son or a “brilliant” consultant).
In conversation with my boss I would be mentioning what kind of CF of liability and worker dissatisfaction we are opening ourselves to. If he made me to broadcast it to a crew I would probably mention is as a point 6 of shift huddle meeting stressing it’s 100% voluntary for people that want to work through lunch (every place I worked in has some people like that).
managers that have actually come through the ranks with 'real' jobs know better. they would say something like "i know this is an unpopular decision, but I'm gonna comp all of you somehow" then follows through with whatever he can within his authority. those kinds of people have underlings that gladly get more than required done
Yeah I work threw lunch too but just cuz i needs the money
If you are not on the clock and you get hurt there will be hell to pay.
And it’s those people that muck it up for everyone else and makes the higher ups think they can get away with it.
If management told me this, I would go to everyone and explain the math to everyone then let them decide if $5 a hour to miss break was worth it. Then I'll see what happens after because someone will make a scene of it.
It is so fun to see managers squirm when floor employees can do the math in their head and show them to be wrong.
We were told that this week's target was 35000 parts completed.
We said "That's not possible in 6 days, definitely not in 5, which was the week's plan."
A manager piped in, "yes it is, two days this week we hit 5000 parts end of day."
The floor worker replied "So....Not Enough!"
The same manager answered "Last night we made 5800 parts end of day!"
The floor worker repliaed "So....Not Enough!"
At which point, the manager backpedaled out of the room.
IT WAS GLORIOUS!
I worked security at a casino in California. They got to the point where they "Mandated" us being clocked out but still working for lunch.
They did write ups, altered our time cards and everything.
Then a guy got hurt One Time. Broke his arm and went to claim his benefits because it happened while he was working. Company tried to claim he was "on lunch" during that time and off the clock. He requested copies of the security tape for his lawyer to compare them with his time card they had edited.
Suddenly we all had to take breaks again.
I used to work as a chef. large insurance company, they had a great year, so with the release of the earning reports they had a whole 2 days out of it with bonuses. Except for the hospitality department. We had to pull 2 20 hour days to feed over 2k people. Did we get any bonus like the rest of the company? We got "bronze awards" which is a $10 item off a small list of items the company gives away. Keep in mind, the insurance side is given flex time and work life perks, in short, multiple weeks vacation and in 2 weeks they have to work 80 hours, so if they stay late one day, the get to leave early another. In the hospitality department we were passed between multiple kitchens (cafe, country club, event center, ect, all owned by them) so that they could try to get out of overtime pay as we worked 50-60 hour weeks at $9 (2 year culinary degree required, if you stayed with the company for 15 years you could apply for them to pay of part of you remaining student loans). They did get busted for it, so they started laying off everyone for 3 months at a time so they did not get full time status and no benefits (2 year degree still required, no pay off now) I left there over 10 years ago, but for what I hear it has not changed
This sounds a lot like a certain insurer in Wisconsin. Unless it's common for insurance companies to have event centers and country clubs. That would explain why insurance is such a ripoff.
@@GeneralChangFromDanang I am not in Wisconsin, it is actually very common for insurer's main campus to have such things. They will pay to fly their top agents out a few times a year for a golf outing and banquet in their honor. who I worked for did it every 3 months
Companies think folks are stupid as hell lmao
When I worked in a factory, they had a "12 and 2" policy; you work 12 days straight, you got 2 off. It's a fancy way of saying "every other weekend off".
Thing is, the suits wanted you to work EVERY damn day, and every weekend. Taking your 2 days off was treated like you were personally betraying the company. They would accuse people of not having a good work ethic, not being committed, or not being a "team player" (never mind some of them came in early to help the earlier shift, or stay late to help transition, as well as work over on other projects. Most of them had spotless records, worked for the company for years, and had great yearly review stats.)
Eventually, they started making threats about ending the 12 and 2 policy, but at that time Covid had kinda decimated the work environment, and other factories were starting to offer almost $10 more an hour what they were.
Suddenly, they found themselves have to come up with new ways to get us to stay; threatening us with mandatory overtime when we wanted to enjoy a holiday led to US threatening them with going across to street to start at what we made in overtime.
OMG same I worked for a company that wanted us to work 10 hour shifts (plus an hour transit one way so really 12 hours) 7 days a week. When you didn't comply they shamed you in front of the other bootlicker employees who were good boys that sold their souls to the company for scraps. These corporations know people are desperate to eat and pay rent and support their families so they squeeze every punch of blood out of them that they can.
They're right. I'm not a team player. I work here for myself to make money.
Holy crap. Even Chinese companies only work 6 days a week.
@@GeneralChangFromDanang Yeah, but they also only work for pennies on the dollar, 10-20 hours a day and the working conditions are so bad that people get really sick or hurt. They also employ children.
Took my first vacation in a twenty year career. The CTO treated me like shit. It was only two days. Much love for America.
During the pandemic I worked for a company that was paying out 2-5k$ a year worth of bonuses just for working a minimum of 43 hours a week. The more hours you worked overtime the more bonus checks you got.
bothign wrong with that so long as you're also paying the employees for their overtime in addition to the EOY bonus
I just started a job getting 2 week vacation after first 30 days.. weekends off every other week. Dollar raise next year, 45-60 hour weeks. Starting at 22.50 a hour lol, pretty decent where i live now
@@sillyking1991 Well of course they still paid overtime it's legally required even if you're giving out bonuses.
The warehouse I use to work at didn't give us lunch breaks, if you were on the 10 hour shift you got three 20 minute breaks. At 12 hours the second break became a 30 minute break. But all of those breaks were clocked in.
@@cheesycheese7100 Depending on the state, You're not legally entitled to a break at all if you're an adult where I live; I've yet to work somewhere that doesn't allow a break however, as having hangry employees makes the profits go down.
So those were pure 10-12 hour shifts?
@@dakota9821that’s literally slavery
@@andrewevans7992 Yes, the breaks were paid for.
Electricians : "You're right we don't need an hour lunch....
We need a three hour lunch !!"
Its called "power lunch" to the initiated hahahaha
Whoa buddy ....chill
siesta time!
As a delivery driver my employer recently forced me on an hour lunch because they couldn't discipline me for driving 3 minutes down the road on my route to use a restroom. They are salty now that I changed routes and still take the hour. Thanks for introducing me to the hour. I like it.
Send me an air meet everyday.
the pro gamer move is to comply, be lazy as hell during that hour, then when they threaten you, take evidence to the proper authorities.
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Best part about this is that if you go through with it they'll still find a way not to give you it.
I did an hourly a few years back, delivery driver. I was not clocking out for "lunch" and just grinding through delivering taking only a couple short breaks during the whole 6 to 10 hour shift. We were supposed to be getting paid for at least 8 hours, no matter if we finished our route in 3, so naturally they had set it up to encourage us to skip taking a long lunch break. Found out they were docking our pay 1.5 hours for the two 15 minute breaks and lunch. I told her I was done. Bosses like that deserve to go bankrupt.
I love the cynical look on the workers face the minute management opens his mouth. He’s already getting his waders ready to wade through the bullshit!😅
Omg this is so freaking accurate 😂 🤣
"work through lunch? sure! ill take an hour of Overtime everyday, im still going to stop working and eat"
These skits pain me because of how accurate they are.
They piss me off just listening 😂
260 days work a year, 1500 bonus, that's a little over 5 per hour for that lunch break. Damn, a 75% pay cut for my totally legally-required lunchbreak sounds great boss. Thanks! I'm gonna call my union rep and let him know what a great idea this is
Sometimes the hour lunch thing is just a way to get them to keep you around longer. My job isn't extremely physical most of the time, but for me personally, I would rather just eat while working and go home an half hour or hour earlier if I am not getting paid for it. I can certainly understand if you're in an extremely physical job or one where every second of your time is spoken for when working, you might feel differently. For me, if I have to be at my workplace-whether I am working or on break- then it's still like being at work, it's another hour of the day that isn't really mine to do what I wish.
Mentally demanding jobs still need breaks.
I love it when the “man” get called out for being dumb.
fellas, don't let them fuck with your break. if you have an hour break, fight for that hour break.
I worked at a job where the boss paid us biweekly. This is typical at a lot of places so no big deal there, but he also calculate overtime biweekly as well. So if you worked 48 hours one week and 32 hours the next week, you'll only get a flat 80 hour paycheck. In reality you should have gotten paid 40 hours + 8 hours OT + 32 hours.
This went on for years because most of us were young and didn't push back. Then we got an office manager who came in and told him it was wrong. The boss pushed back and said that he spoke with his attorney and his attorney said it was okay but very next week he changed it to where you'll earn OT in the week that you worked it.
I went from a job like this to a job that almost gets mean about us not taking our lunch. My boss told me when I started "legally I get one hour a day where I get to make you clock off and leave my presence and I defenitely need it so there's no way your gonna skip it."
When I ran grocery stores I used to tell my employees "we say I'm taking a break becuaee it's yours to take, not mine to give. We organize it to make sense but it can't be denied"
Ya I just started a job recently where we have factory and site work, and in the factory there are cameras everywhere and a bell sounds at start, smoko, lunch and end. During the 20 minute paid break and 30 minute unpaid break, there is to be *no* work, no discussion of work, no thought of work, its our time. We can clock on and start early, clock off and finish late, but by god we must take breaks. On site though, we can choose to skip them and get OT if its practical for the work load.
If only the average person were this smart America would be a better place. ♥️
As someone who works manual labor stacking 50, 50lb bags onto pallets all day long, yes I absolutely do need that hour long lunch break I value that 1 hour almost more then anything else during the day.
I used to have an hour lunch at a job I didn’t really like. So I treasured it. Now I work with people at a company that I’m truly happy with and 30 minutes is enough to eat, but I also get several 15 minute breaks during the day so I guess it really depends on how your treated as a whole and your attitude towards the job itself.
Yea morale is huge. I've always found if people like working with/for you, they'll take enough of a break to feel refreshed and do their job more effectively, and not much more than that even when offered. The rare occasion people have taken much more for me, is when theres so little to do its really impossible to be occupied, otherwise most of the time they even turn down additional breaks when offered. My old job required 15 mins every 2 hrs, sometimes I'd be able to get it up to 1 hr working, 30 min break for my crew tho (on rotation), and on rare occasions even better than that. When theres stuff to do though, even when I could do 15-30 mins a bit sooner than the 2 hour mark people would turn it down
Dude keep doing what u doin the struggle is real 💯
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As soon as I would hear work through lunch I’d immediately say” Iam going to stop you right there” and say nope!
My experience is they'll force you into taking two 15min breaks, that require at least a 5min walk to an acceptable break area, which also means that it's a 5min walk back. Leaving you with a 5 min break you might not want and a 30 min lunch break that equates to another 5 min lunch because of the commute time.
ive always held that my breaks start when im in the brake location and end when i leave, puncher be dammed, that long walk is work related travel not recreation!!!!
@@sdfxcvblank5756 absolutely right there with you. I completely agree.
@@sdfxcvblank5756same tbh. My last job, I'd only clockwatch peoples breaks if we were especially tight, otherwise they could just take as long as they needed. Starts when they're somewhere comfortable, not paying any attention to work, ends when they feel refreshed and feel like getting back into it. Contrary to popular management belief, most people get bored quite quickly and actually enjoy working if treated well
Yeah, this feels just like what nurse managers tried to do during Covid; nah, I pass foo!😂
You know, if I could skip lunch and breaks and head home an hour early and make the same pay as normal, I would love to do that.
Or pool them up and make a 3-4 day week-end every couple of weeks or so.
I knew a department that required all employees to take their 30 minute break at the same time. Nobody wanted to wait for a microwave to heat up lunch, so each employee brought in his own microwave, and the employer had to wire in extra circuits so all the microwaves could run at once.
That logic though, "You want us to work off the clock for $5?"
Boss: " It's mo....How much do you make when you're clocked out?" 😆😆😆
Bruh my part-time job bagging groceries tried pulling this shit. Took them a month to fold on it because literally like five people across all 16 stores fell for it--managers included.
All the while he STILL takes numerous breaks and only comes to the site the give these little talks😂
An employee that can do the math. moderate corporate nightmare.
This guy is an amazing actor.
I would love to see you and BreadstickRicky and the Boss do a collab
That part where he asks a "yes or no" question in bad faith hurts.
This company is more generous than most the ones I worked for. Most just ask us to work off the clock without any extra pay. Though to be fair on the lunch thing, it's kind of true. You really don't need an hour lunch unless there is no where to eat on site and you have to go some where else to eat.
The worst is jobs in where it takes like 10 minutes to remove all your tools and work gear, which the company tries to force you to do after already clocking out.
Yeah I'm taking my lunch too.
That's why I love the company I work for. We get an hour lunch but get paid for half of it.
At my job, we don't even get time off for lunch or officially scheduled breaks, but as it's in-home healthcare, if nothing needs to be done and the client wants to sleep, we have free time. And my client likes to sleep a LOT of the time.
Mine is 45mins.. i only need 30 lol
Perfect example of what the labor has to deal with.
"If we get enough opposition it will be mandatory" is a phrase that always follow something no employee wants to do. It's not like management has ever said "we're gonna buy everyone steak subs for lunch and you get an extra 30 minutes to eat. Paid. If we get enough opposition it will be mandatory." It's always something like "we need volunteers to work this entire weekend, if we don't get enough volunteers it will be mandatory."
I'll say if the enforce that then the employees can class action for not paying them. You can't be forced to work on a legally enforced break