@@proz71ful19 I just recently bought some Klipsch RP-280F's, RP-450C, and TX-NR646 receiver from this old guy on letgo for 100 bucks. yes.... 100 bucks lol. (his wife passed away last month so he was just selling stuff he didn't want anymore) I didn't really care much about all the extra stuff until I got these speakers because I never expected to get THIS BIG an upgrade so fast. I just really want to make sure that nothing gets damaged or too worn. The receiver is very small compared to the receiver I had before which was an old Integra DTR 7.4.... so I'm currently looking to do separates or atleast buy a receiver with more pre-outs so I can run my LCR on a separate amp soon. but for now, im getting my power situation in check then ill be comfortable buying more stuff. I live in an apartment, so I know for sure there are inconsistencies in the power coming to my apartment.
I was always eyeing separates but couldn't afford it to start. I recommend buying a avr that has preouts for the main 5/7 channels to start usually around 900 bucks. Then add an amp later when you can. That's what I did now I'm shopping for a processor as I already have the amp
Hi Shane! I have been using a Bryston SP3 processor for 7.1, I just bought the Marantz 8805 so should i get pre outs from the Bryston to the Marantz or just use the Marantz. I can't tell the difference between the two processors, what would you do? Thanks!
this is EXACTLY the video i needed. ive been so confused about how to use amps until now. i dont wanna under power my speakers but my avr doesnt support amps. this "separate" is exactly what i needed
My Marantz SR5012 just had the front right channel quit. Luckily for me it has 7.2 preouts. I just ordered a 2 channel Crown amplifier and I'm going to offload the front channels to the Crown. What this scenario has done is raise my eyes towards the world of separates as I had begun prospecting a new AV receiver before buying the Crown amp. I think I'm just going to move into the separates game.
You are cute and young looking. Great video and great explanations. Perhaps you could make a video, on what to look for in used equipment. I see some killer msrp expensive equipment, going for very low prices as they do not have the latest bells and whistles. Like an original $3,000 amplifier for $300. Same for processors.
So shane can upgrade my older pioneer elite sc55 with atmos by using a pre amp or would I need an entirely new reciever? Great video as always my friend.
Shane, just subscribed to your channel. Awesome content and explanations. Also appreciate some of the honesty (particularly on the Outlaw 7720 vs 5000 video). One thing I have a hard time swallowing (and understanding) when considering (the latest) processors like Marantz AV7705 is that there is no upgrade HW path and the price to entry is very high. If there is a HW upgrade path, how long does it take to get that and is the cost of the upgrade module reasonable (comparing total cost of ownership across 10 years, did dropping $6000 on a HW upgradable pre/pro + upgraded modules over the years still turn out to be more expensive than buying a new, inexpensive receiver every 2-3 years?). I think I have no problem putting in some additional money if I was strictly going to be setting up a 2 speaker music setup but with home theater use where we get new audio and video formats to take advantage of all the time it seems like...I am very hesitant to spend more when I know it won't satisfy me for 8-10+ years. Shane, In your opinion and assuming you wouldn't use internal amps in a receiver, is it really worth it/much of a difference between say a Marantz AV7705 vs Marantz SR6013/6014. It almost seems like you need to go big or go home when considering a pre/pro (e.g. NAD M17) since there appears to be quite a bit of great capable receivers (again assuming you won't be using their internal amps). EDIT: I see you sorta answered my concerns: "Pre/pro would have better internals" but I am curious from your opinion, how big of a difference in both sound (and video) is it? Seriously trying to figure out how I can in-home test this myself to find this out.
Well if you want the cleanest possible sound pre pros are the way to go. Honestly if you value audio quality who cares if it doesn’t offer a ton of features. All that stuff has the possibly to cause other problems with the resulting output signal. Keep it simple and clean. The only pre pros I know are upgradable cost a lot. Emotiva and NAD are the most affordable. Then your looking at Storm Audio and Trinnov. Those are over $10k and above. Unfortunately home theater gear is just gonna age quick. End result really depends on what your willing to spend and your end goal.
Never understood why prepro is higher than avrs the avrs do same thing and they have a amp I've only been in av game for about a year so what do I know
Typically the pre/pro has better dacs in it . Therefore will produce better sound and channel separation than a av receiver. Plus by using an external amplifier, that will power your speakers better than the built-in amps that a receiver comes with. Hope that helps . I never knew about the differences either untill about a year ago.
@@MrJjburgess11 wow what a difference 3 years in this game makes I am now on my second pre pro went from a marantz av7704 to a emotiva xmc2 I've come a long way in my journey in home cinema
The total harmonic distortion in my Outlaw Audio Model 976 is 0.7 for normal listening. Is that a good a good spec? My amp has a rating of .004 THD for normal listening. I have heard from other Owner's of my amp that this spec is a is indicative of why this unit sounds so super clean and does not cause listening fatigue😩.
You can tell very little by looking at specs. Its up to each company to rate its own products, so everyone does it differently. "My amp has a rating of .004 THD for normal listening." There's no way to define that. How efficient are your speakers, how big is the room and how loud do you listen? If any of those variables change, so will your THD. And I highly doubt anything close to .004 will be achieved under normal listening. To get numbers that low, with reasonably equipment, can only be done on a test bench using a test tone.
Hey Shane, question. I think my 65” Samsun LED is giving out and might be needing a new TV. It’s a 3D TV and don’t know if I should get the only one I see available now. The Sony z9D, is $4000, but I see some other newer models around the same or cheaper range. Is that TV a bit outdated or it’s still worthy and nice HDR compared to a let’s say newer Sony that doesn’t have 3D or a Samsung QLED? What u thinking?
It does help at high volume. Lower volumes. You won't hear that much of a difference. When I paired an external amplifier with my Yamaha a2080. I noticed a nice difference from -20 db and higher. Less distortion. I can really crank my system and not lose any sound quality .
I truly don't understand why preamp processors cost more than receivers when they contain less stuff! I also don't understand how I'd play music through one. On my receiver I play everything via a USB stick but I don't even see USB ports on any preamps I've looked at. Playing music via bluetooth from my phone just sounds like a pain in the ass. And do preamps have on-screen displays like AVRs do? (like they'll display stuff on my TV screen)
I have to upgrade my receiver I bought a new TV that's 4K the LG b8 OLED my receiver don't do HDR 10 or Dolby vision so right now I'm using Arc virtual surround so I got a question I got elac speakers I didn't realize when I bought them they're very hungry for power the F5 debuts towers in the front with their new 2.0 center channel b6 bookshelves in the back what receiver do you recommend I should get right now I got pioneer vsx-90 would 90 watts per channel I have to crank this boy to get life out of them
Heat is a big deal. I had an AVR one time that met its end when it caught fire one day. Yikes! It makes sense to house those amplifiers in a separate chassis from the processor. I'm now rocking a new class D amplifier from ATI, which produces very little heat.
Okay okay hold up iv been watching your channel for some time and youthman and all the other because I have this thing in home theatre 🤔 well so does everyone else watching this lol but my question is can u use a normal aka receiver with rca out outs for separates to get the full effect or if it do u have to buy a pre pro avr then a power amp to get the better effect then just going my route as in your still have to get a power Amp just wondering can u use my existential marantz 6015 and get a power amp to get the separates effect ?
Question? Is there a way to tell more accurately how many ms delay to put on my receiver? It always changes when i switch from blu ray to dvd to satelite to games and netflix. Also on xbox one x it changes when i do bitstream or lossless. But when i do lossless it still says the right coding (dolby hd, dts hd) on the receiver but thr delay is different. I have oled lg 2017 and onkyo receiver.
I get the differences between prepro and avrs. But why do you consider going to a prepro is “stepping up your home theatre game” ? I just keep adding channels to my setup, so it would cost a fortune in amps going pre pro for me😂😂. An AVR sorta holds me back a little bit 😂😂. 👍🏻great vid.
SpareChange totally agree. I’m investing in some 2channels amps in a couple of months for all the ceiling speakers. Already have a 7ch power amplifier for the 7 lower speakers. 👍🏻👍🏻
SpareChange slightly off topic, but I’m wondering if you could educate me slightly. So I have my eyes on a 4K UHD player, and it says Dolby vision(low latency compatible) like.....? What’s this mean?
I truly don't understand why preamp processors cost more than receivers when they contain less stuff! I also don't understand how I'd play music through one. On my receiver I play everything via a USB stick but I don't even see USB ports on any preamps I've looked at. Playing music via bluetooth from my phone just sounds like a pain in the ass. And do preamps have on-screen displays like AVRs do? (like they'll display stuff on my TV screen)
Great video. Is there any practical difference between the processing ability of the Marantz SR6013 and the AV7705 Prepro? If not, then surely using a SR6013 as a pre pro saves £££?
Would you recommend this for small speakers? I have a Canton movie 365 5.0 setup with 2 svs sb 1000’s. The reciever i have is more powerful than my small bookshelf speakers. Would this benefit me?
Great video! What’s your take on people who use their receiver as a prepro connected to an external amp? I Know someone who uses a marantz 5012 but uses his monolith amp to produce power.
So there is no point buying receiver like denon X2500H? I completed first ever home theater setup( i was consider soundbar). For medium size apartament. Denon x2500h, accoustic 3050i cinema pack and panasonic ub 820 quality on oled screen is amazing i am really pleased with this setup, and it was easier than i thought. Now i start thinking about adding some atmos speakers and make it 5.1.2 but atmos speakers like kef q50a
Hey Shane, I’m planning to use the denon X3400 receiver as my processor and connect it to an Emotiva a-700 amplifier. Does this sound like a good idea? Are there any processors under $1000 that would be a better choice.
Hi Shane! I need help deciding which av processor to buy. I recently upgraded my home theatre to Atmos by adding 4 more speakers. I was previously using Bryston SP3 for my 7.1 setup, I bought the Marantz av8805 to take its place but i am totally unsatisfied with Marantz. Can you suggest another AV receiver, have you heard Emotiva RMC-1? Thank You!
Yes so far the RMC1 has been good. It doesn't have room correction just yet but it's coming. It's a little slow doing things like switching inputs and navigating but it does sound good out of the box.
@@romanlewandowski9616 it is a great processor i was just comparing it to my bryston sp3 that i was using till i decided to go Atmos. I am just looking for another to get as close to Bryston performance in a budget
Hey Sparechange I just upgraded to Denon avr 940 two Polk audio two floor speakers and two book shelf speakers and klipsch Rs 100 I’m gonna add center channel and atmos up firing speakers soon
*DO YOU PREFER A PREPRO OR RECEIVER?*
Great topic Shane!!!
You did an awesome job explaining it.👍
I prefer using an Pre-processor.
Currently saving up to do separates. But i refuse to buy anything else before I buy a power conditioner because im using a power strip right now lmao
I prefer separates but cant afford it. I have 7.1 receiver and can only do 5.1.2 with atmos. I want a receiver with 11.1 or separate 11.1
Gabriel Summers I would save your money for something else👍🏽 unless you just have the dirtiest power ever.. just my experience
@@proz71ful19 I just recently bought some Klipsch RP-280F's, RP-450C, and TX-NR646 receiver from this old guy on letgo for 100 bucks. yes.... 100 bucks lol. (his wife passed away last month so he was just selling stuff he didn't want anymore) I didn't really care much about all the extra stuff until I got these speakers because I never expected to get THIS BIG an upgrade so fast. I just really want to make sure that nothing gets damaged or too worn. The receiver is very small compared to the receiver I had before which was an old Integra DTR 7.4.... so I'm currently looking to do separates or atleast buy a receiver with more pre-outs so I can run my LCR on a separate amp soon. but for now, im getting my power situation in check then ill be comfortable buying more stuff. I live in an apartment, so I know for sure there are inconsistencies in the power coming to my apartment.
I was always eyeing separates but couldn't afford it to start. I recommend buying a avr that has preouts for the main 5/7 channels to start usually around 900 bucks. Then add an amp later when you can. That's what I did now I'm shopping for a processor as I already have the amp
Hi Shane! I have been using a Bryston SP3 processor for 7.1, I just bought the Marantz 8805 so should i get pre outs from the Bryston to the Marantz or just use the Marantz. I can't tell the difference between the two processors, what would you do? Thanks!
I'd return the Marantz and get an SP4. Just kidding 😉 sell the SP3 and just use the Marantz.
this is EXACTLY the video i needed. ive been so confused about how to use amps until now. i dont wanna under power my speakers but my avr doesnt support amps. this "separate" is exactly what i needed
My Marantz SR5012 just had the front right channel quit. Luckily for me it has 7.2 preouts. I just ordered a 2 channel Crown amplifier and I'm going to offload the front channels to the Crown. What this scenario has done is raise my eyes towards the world of separates as I had begun prospecting a new AV receiver before buying the Crown amp. I think I'm just going to move into the separates game.
You are cute and young looking. Great video and great explanations. Perhaps you could make a video, on what to look for in used equipment. I see some killer msrp expensive equipment, going for very low prices as they do not have the latest bells and whistles. Like an original $3,000 amplifier for $300. Same for processors.
this was such a good explanation. i was getting so confused why there were 3 different things all over these websites
Another great video Shane. First 😮 wow!!
The James McAvoy part killed me hahah
So shane can upgrade my older pioneer elite sc55 with atmos by using a pre amp or would I need an entirely new reciever? Great video as always my friend.
Yeah you can just get a couple amps and use the sc55's preouts. Your good to go.
Dude, at this pro level video, you should not be saying the “Alexa” word 😂
Shane, just subscribed to your channel. Awesome content and explanations. Also appreciate some of the honesty (particularly on the Outlaw 7720 vs 5000 video).
One thing I have a hard time swallowing (and understanding) when considering (the latest) processors like Marantz AV7705 is that there is no upgrade HW path and the price to entry is very high. If there is a HW upgrade path, how long does it take to get that and is the cost of the upgrade module reasonable (comparing total cost of ownership across 10 years, did dropping $6000 on a HW upgradable pre/pro + upgraded modules over the years still turn out to be more expensive than buying a new, inexpensive receiver every 2-3 years?).
I think I have no problem putting in some additional money if I was strictly going to be setting up a 2 speaker music setup but with home theater use where we get new audio and video formats to take advantage of all the time it seems like...I am very hesitant to spend more when I know it won't satisfy me for 8-10+ years.
Shane, In your opinion and assuming you wouldn't use internal amps in a receiver, is it really worth it/much of a difference between say a Marantz AV7705 vs Marantz SR6013/6014. It almost seems like you need to go big or go home when considering a pre/pro (e.g. NAD M17) since there appears to be quite a bit of great capable receivers (again assuming you won't be using their internal amps).
EDIT: I see you sorta answered my concerns: "Pre/pro would have better internals" but I am curious from your opinion, how big of a difference in both sound (and video) is it? Seriously trying to figure out how I can in-home test this myself to find this out.
Well if you want the cleanest possible sound pre pros are the way to go. Honestly if you value audio quality who cares if it doesn’t offer a ton of features. All that stuff has the possibly to cause other problems with the resulting output signal. Keep it simple and clean. The only pre pros I know are upgradable cost a lot. Emotiva and NAD are the most affordable. Then your looking at Storm Audio and Trinnov. Those are over $10k and above. Unfortunately home theater gear is just gonna age quick. End result really depends on what your willing to spend and your end goal.
Never understood why prepro is higher than avrs the avrs do same thing and they have a amp I've only been in av game for about a year so what do I know
Typically the pre/pro has better dacs in it . Therefore will produce better sound and channel separation than a av receiver. Plus by using an external amplifier, that will power your speakers better than the built-in amps that a receiver comes with. Hope that helps .
I never knew about the differences either untill about a year ago.
@@MrJjburgess11 wow what a difference 3 years in this game makes I am now on my second pre pro went from a marantz av7704 to a emotiva xmc2 I've come a long way in my journey in home cinema
@@moveezy5591 nice! Yeah, I'm about to get my first preamp. I've had receivers up to this point.
Very helpful, thanks 😊
Hi , Please forgive me sillyt questions .. I have a Reciver 7.1 channel and Adcom 6000 5 channel Amplifier , Will i Need a Surround Process ? or DAC
Not if your receiver has PRE outs.
The total harmonic distortion in my Outlaw Audio Model 976 is
0.7 for normal listening.
Is that a good a good spec?
My amp has a rating of .004 THD for normal listening.
I have heard from other Owner's of my amp that this spec is a is indicative of why this unit sounds so
super clean and does not cause listening fatigue😩.
You can tell very little by looking at specs. Its up to each company to rate its own products, so everyone does it differently.
"My amp has a rating of .004 THD for normal listening."
There's no way to define that. How efficient are your speakers, how big is the room and how loud do you listen? If any of those variables change, so will your THD. And I highly doubt anything close to .004 will be achieved under normal listening. To get numbers that low, with reasonably equipment, can only be done on a test bench using a test tone.
Your linked list is a little dated as none of them are available except the most expensive one (Marantz AV8805) at $5,000.
This video is old.
Hey Shane, question. I think my 65” Samsun LED is giving out and might be needing a new TV. It’s a 3D TV and don’t know if I should get the only one I see available now. The Sony z9D, is $4000, but I see some other newer models around the same or cheaper range. Is that TV a bit outdated or it’s still worthy and nice HDR compared to a let’s say newer Sony that doesn’t have 3D or a Samsung QLED? What u thinking?
Best video ever
If you used an av receiver as a pro pro only with external amplification - would the quality be the same as using a separate pre amp ?
Hi I just wasted 3.5 grand on very good quality power amp to drive my LCR and I can tell you to my ears it doesn’t make much of a difference.
It does help at high volume. Lower volumes. You won't hear that much of a difference. When I paired an external amplifier with my Yamaha a2080. I noticed a nice difference from -20 db and higher. Less distortion. I can really crank my system and not lose any sound quality .
Is Dirac and Balanced outputs worth upgrading from a Denon X4400H?
Definitely
I’m fairly new to this. Is Dirac difficult to use compared to Audyssey? I do have an Outlaw Model 7000x for an amp now.
I truly don't understand why preamp processors cost more than receivers when they contain less stuff! I also don't understand how I'd play music through one. On my receiver I play everything via a USB stick but I don't even see USB ports on any preamps I've looked at. Playing music via bluetooth from my phone just sounds like a pain in the ass. And do preamps have on-screen displays like AVRs do? (like they'll display stuff on my TV screen)
waiting on that spiderverse review
Me too. Haven't watched it yet.
ok...thanks for the response. by the way I haven't watched it properly yet ether @@therealshanelee
Yeah, sticking with my $800 X3600H receiver until there are good HDMI 2.1 options available.
I have to upgrade my receiver I bought a new TV that's 4K the LG b8 OLED my receiver don't do HDR 10 or Dolby vision so right now I'm using Arc virtual surround so I got a question I got elac speakers I didn't realize when I bought them they're very hungry for power the F5 debuts towers in the front with their new 2.0 center channel b6 bookshelves in the back what receiver do you recommend I should get right now I got pioneer vsx-90 would 90 watts per channel I have to crank this boy to get life out of them
Heat is a big deal. I had an AVR one time that met its end when it caught fire one day. Yikes! It makes sense to house those amplifiers in a separate chassis from the processor. I'm now rocking a new class D amplifier from ATI, which produces very little heat.
Okay okay hold up iv been watching your channel for some time and youthman and all the other because I have this thing in home theatre 🤔 well so does everyone else watching this lol but my question is can u use a normal aka receiver with rca out outs for separates to get the full effect or if it do u have to buy a pre pro avr then a power amp to get the better effect then just going my route as in your still have to get a power Amp just wondering can u use my existential marantz 6015 and get a power amp to get the separates effect ?
Great video, thank you! Alexa, turn off the background music.
Question? Is there a way to tell more accurately how many ms delay to put on my receiver? It always changes when i switch from blu ray to dvd to satelite to games and netflix. Also on xbox one x it changes when i do bitstream or lossless. But when i do lossless it still says the right coding (dolby hd, dts hd) on the receiver but thr delay is different. I have oled lg 2017 and onkyo receiver.
Anyone gone from the receiver to prepro and noticed any 2 channel sound difference?
First buying tip is what can the wallet afford 😂😬
I get the differences between prepro and avrs. But why do you consider going to a prepro is “stepping up your home theatre game” ? I just keep adding channels to my setup, so it would cost a fortune in amps going pre pro for me😂😂. An AVR sorta holds me back a little bit 😂😂. 👍🏻great vid.
Get yourself the best amps you can afford. They'll out last the prepro and those amps will sound better than amps in a receiver.
SpareChange totally agree. I’m investing in some 2channels amps in a couple of months for all the ceiling speakers. Already have a 7ch power amplifier for the 7 lower speakers. 👍🏻👍🏻
SpareChange slightly off topic, but I’m wondering if you could educate me slightly. So I have my eyes on a 4K UHD player, and it says Dolby vision(low latency compatible) like.....? What’s this mean?
It means it’s compatible with Sony’s version of Dolby Vision.
SpareChange so this is a good thing?
Gosh I could listen to this guy all day.
I truly don't understand why preamp processors cost more than receivers when they contain less stuff! I also don't understand how I'd play music through one. On my receiver I play everything via a USB stick but I don't even see USB ports on any preamps I've looked at. Playing music via bluetooth from my phone just sounds like a pain in the ass. And do preamps have on-screen displays like AVRs do? (like they'll display stuff on my TV screen)
Marantz pre amps have all the same features the av receivers have.. That was one big reason I went with Marantz. The other was price .
I have Marantz 7013. It is as it stands want to
Please let me know thanks they are 6 ohm speakers
Great video. Is there any practical difference between the processing ability of the Marantz SR6013 and the AV7705 Prepro? If not, then surely using a SR6013 as a pre pro saves £££?
Better internals for the 7705.
Would you recommend this for small speakers? I have a Canton movie 365 5.0 setup with 2 svs sb 1000’s. The reciever i have is more powerful than my small bookshelf speakers. Would this benefit me?
Always best to have more power. You'll be fine.
I prefer the separates, where are you located?
Great video! What’s your take on people who use their receiver as a prepro connected to an external amp? I Know someone who uses a marantz 5012 but uses his monolith amp to produce power.
It's a good starting off point till you can upgrade.
So there is no point buying receiver like denon X2500H? I completed first ever home theater setup( i was consider soundbar). For medium size apartament. Denon x2500h, accoustic 3050i cinema pack and panasonic ub 820 quality on oled screen is amazing i am really pleased with this setup, and it was easier than i thought. Now i start thinking about adding some atmos speakers and make it 5.1.2 but atmos speakers like kef q50a
you can use the receiver as a prepro,
Hey Shane, I’m planning to use the denon X3400 receiver as my processor and connect it to an Emotiva a-700 amplifier. Does this sound like a good idea? Are there any processors under $1000 that would be a better choice.
It'll sound a lot better with that amp. Go for it.
SpareChange cool, thanks man!
When do you see a difference between high end AVRs and Prepros? I get it with XLRs but are Dacs that much better?
When you pair a prepro with an amp you'll hear big differences there. Depending on amp choice for course.
Good information👍
How much watts do I need per channel
As much as you can afford.
Hi Shane! I need help deciding which av processor to buy. I recently upgraded my home theatre to Atmos by adding 4 more speakers. I was previously using Bryston SP3 for my 7.1 setup, I bought the Marantz av8805 to take its place but i am totally unsatisfied with Marantz. Can you suggest another AV receiver, have you heard Emotiva RMC-1? Thank You!
Yes so far the RMC1 has been good. It doesn't have room correction just yet but it's coming. It's a little slow doing things like switching inputs and navigating but it does sound good out of the box.
Hi why are you not happy with your Marantz 8805 as I am thinking of getting one
@@romanlewandowski9616 it is a great processor i was just comparing it to my bryston sp3 that i was using till i decided to go Atmos. I am just looking for another to get as close to Bryston performance in a budget
PrePro for me all the way. I’ve only owned two receivers in my lifetime, but once I switched I never looked back.
How does 2 channel sound compare from your experience?
@@williammorales8204 Don’t exactly understand your question, but I have a separate system for two channel listening.
What do you think about Samsung bowing out the 1080 & 4k market?
Never liked their players. They would have sold more if they adopted Dolby Vision.
@@therealshanelee yea but still its not good that oppo and samsung are leaving the physical media market :/
@@schwartzy65 At least you still got Sony, LG, Panasonic, and Pioneer for now.
@@coloniellizardt4191 yea and philips and some other companies but this is not that good sign for physica media
#ReleaseTheSnyderCut
Hey Sparechange I just upgraded to Denon avr 940 two Polk audio two floor speakers and two book shelf speakers and klipsch Rs 100 I’m gonna add center channel and atmos up firing speakers soon
The nice thing about separates is that your amplifiers survive generations of the processor, as opposed to swapping the whole AVR every few years
Very true.
That Batman v Superman poster at the background though. Fuxking awesome!!
6:30 what price range are we talking about here? 🤔
They vary from 2500-10 grand. Alot of choices.
@@MrJjburgess11 Thanks!