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Yes you definitely can, my system is a Marantz av7005 my sons bought me for my 60th birthday, I had a Carver av705x 5 channel amplifier. When I went from an older Rotel Rotel RTC 965 pre-processor to the Marantz all I can say is WOW.
its' actually still pretty amazing the sound quality you get from better AVR', after all these years! Technology definitely kept improving, and the performance per dollar improved to a point where you actually need separates , for the average person! I'd say most do just fine running speakers as small, using powered subs, and that's all you'll likely need. Yes, better equipment dictates separates, and you get better potential sound quality. Again, depends on speakers and rest of the system though,including your expectations, lifestyle, setup, acoustics, etc whether the law of diminishing kicks in above or bellow your needs. When in doubt, and money's not an issues, yes, get separates for higher end performance
Im interested in a double-blind test to see if you or others can tell if there is an audible difference between using a AVR as a Pre Pro and a dedicated unit. The only thing I think might make a difference is the balanced outputs if you have some kind of unusual interference
Hard part about that is it’s not an easy switch from the AVR to a Processor. Also you would have to level match them since XLR are topically have a few dB gain.
I have a NR1200 and need to use an EQ for all sources. Does it make sense to use the NR1200 as a preamp and place the EQ in between NR1200 and 2 channel amp 7025? Thoughts?
Excellent information for the beginner ! I agree with Marc below, there needs to be more affordable options for pre/pros, I feel there is a market for them.
Youthman how would a DAC hook up with these things. Seems like Audio companies want you to buy two systems - HT and Hifi? Who has room for all those speakers. I would just like to be able to do very good HiFi L/R plus Center Channel for TV.
There's the Outlaw model 976 7.2 Pre/Pro BUT it's only available in the US. It's also slightly pricey for what it is coming in at $1000 USD. It's also outdated now with only hdmi 2.0/1.4.
Need some advice. New to Home Theater Community. I just purchased a Marantz 7015 AVR. I love the sound I’m getting from it. I had a Onkyo 787. I notice an immediate difference in sound and clarity. Was this a good purchase or should I go for the 8015 you talked about in one of your video
Truly excellent informations, I just want to add a few additions to this valuable information. If you are not using power-hungry speakers such as Bowers & Wilkins 800 Diamond series , the processor you will purchase will only have a placebo effect.
@@romanlewandowski9616 it’s night and day difference... when individual speakers are fully powered by dedicated amplification, the sound quality and fidelity is sonic bliss... it cost more but well worth it... your home theater sounds just as good if not better than a commercial theater...
I never heard much of a difference adding various amplifiers over the years to AVR ‘s. It wasn’t until I switched from the SR 8012 to the AV 7705 that I noticed a significant difference
im using my yamaha aventage 2080 as pre out it sound really good i try a couple of different amplifier it make a huge difference compered to the avr amplification.. i just cant spend 4k for a processor where i am in canada price are nuts ,, i know the newer denon avr allow you to turn off the internal amplification this can be a great solution for those like me
Thank you soooo much, guess you solved my problem, I have been using a Yamaha AVR, but the audio that I have been getting was not what I want, guess I need a processor. Thx for the great info.
I went back from separates to a receiver for conveniences. I had a Rotel preamp processor 1570 and Rotel 1565 D - class 5 channel Amp .I Now have the Marantz SR6014 and I can say I haven't greatly lost any sound quality in the change over only noticeable is a slight decrease in dynamics. I really enjoy the tonal quality of the Marantz SR6014 overall. I think like I did careful research to find the receiver that suits yours needs but without a doubt if i had the money i would got back to separates but at this time I'll stick with my Marantz. Receiver.
@@Youthman I read there is problems with the new HDMI 2.1 chip on 2020 Marantz, Yamaha and Denon AVR, that they give black screen with certain input. Do you know more ???
IMO there's a huge disconnect/need for 7.1/9/1 mid-level Pre/pros it's a shame there's only high end options for pre/pro. It would be nice if Denon released lets say a 3000 and 4000 series version pre-amplifier and allocate the budget to XLR since they don't need amplifiers. I think they would sell like hotcakes.
Wow, this was super helpful! Definitely earned a sub! :) Thanks man! I just picked up a set of 5.1 speakers from Aperion Audio over black friday and I am looking forward to exploring this new realm of tech. :) Thanks!
Just a quick note: The SR8015 has a pre-setting which shuts off the power amp and allows for processing only if one is so inclined or you can set the front L and R to be process only and run it through a fine amp that way for 13 channels. I love mine.
I went from avr 5014 witch I run as pre amp to prepro 7701 no differences even worse 7701 does not support audissy eq software Same DACs same bad phono stage , the only benefits 11 channels
Thanks for this excellently informative video! I've been wondering about AVR vs separates, and now I fully understand the pros and cons of each. Thank you good sir!!
I have a sony str dn1040 7.1 receiver($599), 6 polk audio t15 bookshelf speakers($300 total for all 6), a polk csr center channel($49), a polk audio psw505 sub($169). My neighbors hate jurassic park t-rexes lol
I went separates about 5 years ago and never looked back. Marantz AV8802a with a 5 channel Emotiva XMP AMP and a smaller 8 channel Basx for surrounds and heights. But one thing that was been problematic, these big boxes generate a TON of heat!
The BIGGEST part of this upgrade for me personally is watching the Pre/Processor and Power Amplifiers.. .... separate the money from my wallet ... ** Cries in Audiophile Hi Res Atmos Surround **
This is simply the most informative straight forward video about something I had absolutely no idea about but always wanted to ask. I'm going to subscribe!
Embargo is just means the people in the know can’t share info until that date and time. I get press releases from companies prior to them announcing to the public.
Sometimes I hear of people using an old AVR’s amplifier section connected to another AVR’s pre-outs to save some money instead of buying an amplifier when they already have an amp in their spare AVR. I don’t recommend that approach, but it’s possible.
@Youthman glad to hear the family is good & safe! Looks like you all are having fun! Can’t wait to see the additional content from what you all are experiencing. Enjoy, be safe & cheers to all!
What do you think of running Marantz Cinema 50 with the MM7055? I want to extend to 7.2.4 /5.2.6 and would run as many speakers through the external amp.
As Always AWESOME Chat...I use separates in my living room & basement. i would never do jus AVR... My basement is really a different story. That equipment is the Same as a Theater rack and theater Speakers. So, the sound is different from my living room. Gotta luv Sound Pressure...Stay Safe, Be Safe!!!!
After doing some research, unfortunately I cannot use my receiver As dedicated amplifier. Went ahead and ordered the 7705 and another external amplifier. I feel confident that youth man knows what he’s talking about and I should be happy with the change
The one thing about this comparison is it isn't real apples to apples, the SR8015 is more in line with the 8805A in terms of features and level of build quality. The 7706 is better compared to the SR7015, which would put the prices more in perspective of the real difference, the 8805A is significantly more expensive than the 7706, just as the SR8015 is quite a lot dearer than the SR7015. Not to say the SR7015 and 7706 are not very good quality, but they are not as high end as the Japanese made SR8015 and 8805A. As it happens, the 8805A is $700 AUD more expensive than the SR8015, and the 7706 is as much as $800 AUD more expensive than the SR7015. It is rather hard to swallow that step up in price when they take out the amps and sell them for more, the preamp stage would really want to be a huge step up to justify that. It's a shame Denon don't sell a pre/pro version of the X6700H and the A1H, but then i don't think they really need to either i spose.
pro's or cons really depend on brand/type as price and specs depend on it ... Buying an SR8015, 8016 and 8017 isn't fun for your wallet. But neither is buying an AV10 or AVM90 ... so it all depends...
Excellent explanation and very informative. Just one question what is the difference between balanced and unbalanced out. Do we get any advantage or gain quality with balanced out. Also I watch all your videos, they really good inspirations for home theater buffs.
Balanced outputs have no benefit other than being better at canceling out external noise, which shouldn't be an issue anyway at short distances like if you just have an amp sitting right on top of a processor and you just have some 1-2 foot RCA cables connecting them. If you're not running 10-20+ foot cables, there's no reason to use balanced. There is absolutely no difference in quality and unbalanced is 100% not a problem.
I have a Denon 4400 and I have 2 amplifier ati 3000 three Channel and bass x 6 for my Surround channel thinking buy Marantz 8015 or marantz 7706 please let me know thank you
You should also add . . . Your situation is not "typical". Most people that buy surround sound receivers are not dropping 3 to 4 thousand dollars on one. Most AVRs sold (80%) are in the $200 to $1,500 range. A more accurate comparison would be to compare a typical $650 AVR to separate components costing $4,700 to $357,000. In that, far more "realistic scenario", i think it becomes crystal clear why most people will go with an AVR. Simply put, most people (97% of the population), cannot afford separates. I do think that someday, (80+ years from now?), we may see companies develop affordable, powerful separates, (2-3 hundred dollars for a pre-pro and 2-3 hundred dollars for a 7 channel amplifier, adjusted for inflation of course), but I am not holding my breath.
You are correct, owning separates is not typical. The VAST majority of home theater enthusiasts rock an AVR (which is awesome). Nothing wrong with that. I have the opportunity to review a lot of gear and simply want to share my experiences with them in real world environments and scenarios. Marantz introduced their new Pre-Amp Mode which is supposed to get you close to separates performance. The main purpose of this video was to see how the SR8015 in Preamp mode compares do separates. If we heard a significant difference in this comparison, wouldn't you think there would be even more of a difference if I had used a $650 AVR? I'm not sure what purpose that would serve. Most would say that was an unfair comparison because of the HUGE price difference. Most people that have a $650 AVR likely do not currently have the budget for separates, regardless of how huge the improvement might be. I'm not sure where you are coming up with your 80% and 97% numbers. The reality is we all spend money on something that could easily allow us to be able to purchase something that might otherwise seem unattainable. Let's take smoking for example. "Smokers in New York City shell out around $10.67 per pack, which amounts to $320 per month, $3,895 per year, or $38,950 over ten years to sustain a pack-a-day habit." Seems like 1 year of not smoking would allow someone who does to be able to afford separates. I've never bought into the "most people can't afford" mindset. If someone wants something bad enough, they will figure out a way to earn the income to be able to afford it. I could have easily bought into the lie that "Only rich people have dedicated theater rooms." Instead, I worked my butt off to pay off our debts and built two home businesses, bought quality used equipment, bartered website design services for audio gear etc. As the saying goes, "Where there's a will, there's a away." And FWIW, I certainly wouldn't hold your breath for a $300 pre-pro or 7ch amplifier. Have a great weekend
Thanks for the video. I love to get your thoughts on the new pre amp mode on the 8015. Does the performance gap between processor and receiver still exist?
can i ask, i have marantz pm 10 but i dont have avr like you said to runing my ps 5, so i dont need to buy new amp but just go buy avr n pair with my amp to running my 8k tv ? note i just have a 4 speaker bnw 1 subwoofer n tube pre amp custom...
Love seeing videos like this. It would be really nice to see other amps reviewed and see what your opinion is on any sound differences for home theatre viewing when using separates with different amps.
I have owned 4 amplifiers. I have never noticed a difference in sound between them. I think processors and AVR’s make more difference in how your system sounds.
Thank you for keeping your videos clean and informative. I like the fact I never have to worry about what might come out of your mouth with my daughter next to me.
I would never go back after having separates. As fast as technology changes its cheaper to buy a new processor then a avr. Good amps will last you a long time.
NO dear channels are also increasing day by day so you need change amp also. let say you having 7 channel amp. but now Pre/Pro amp is of 13 you had to go for 13 change amp also. And as the time passes capacitors of amp decay . So its better if you want your system young go for both .
Hey youthman, I recently bought a 8500h, I had a very good dealer who offered me to check both marantz 8805 and Denon 8500h in my home. I setup both systems and to my disbelief I found the marantz 8805 was completely lifeless and Denon was full of liveliness...... Pls give a clarification on that. Btw I upgraded from 4400h I used external amplifier for both units. I used rca outputs from marantz I used Denon in preamp mode Pls clarify
I have not reviewed either one of those but I have yet to hear anyone that owns an 8805 say that it was nothing but stellar. Not sure if it was a set up issue, difference in calibration etc. There are a lot of things that could’ve caused a difference
@@Youthman even I wanted to own a processor from marantz. I had very high expectations for 8805. But the bass response was very poor. Bass integration was poor. The dealer even told me that I won't like 8805 since it doesn't sound as good as 8500. But I insisted him to sell me the processor, so he just gave me both to find out for myself..... Even Denon sounds dynamic only in preamp mode. Once i enable the internal amps the life just goes away..... Whether they do it intentionally I don't know. But once internal amps r enabled it sounds like junk. I have not tried connecting 8500's internal amps yet.
I appreciate you Youthman. Keep up the good work, I enjoy your vids. I'm also looking forward to/wondering about your review of the marantz sr8015 and/or 7015. I'm looking at most likely buying the 7015, as I have a five channel amp to power the mains and two rears, and would need the receiver only for the four atmos speakers I'm running so the additional power per channel rating of the 8015 is not usable for my situation. I do wonder about if there is any sound quality difference between the two though.
It's amazingly hard to find clear connectivity descriptions like you did in this video. I wanted to confirm that my understanding was correct before buying some gear, and your video has finally given me complete confidence.
Thank you for keeping this fairly simple and for us Noobs 😉.. trying to learn since I'm starting out from scratch leaning more towards the HI-FI direction 👍👍..
I have a question. I mentioned (cut and pasted) in a couple videos - not sure about your or not, to be honest, about ordering an external amp (Tonewinner AD-8300PA 11-chahnnel amp) as a first step towards separates. I've heard it mentioned somewhere or other that the internal amps can cause interference with the processing chips and that going full pre-out would benefit clarity, but I can't find articles or videos confirming or denying. I e-mailed my brother, a Ph.D. who teaches electrical engineering at a university (under grad and grad classes) He agreed that single amping a speaker at 240W (I have Klipsch RP-60Mii for L/R) I would get better results than my current bi-amp with ~120W., but he's very suspect about the EMI and would appreciate any article or video about it. Any way you could post a link if you can find anything that might be useful?? My current AVR is a Denon X4700H and I have a 7.2.2 system. I just bought the amp a minute ago...I better not be disappointed ! :)
I have on mini amplifiers over the years, none of them have been absolute night and day difference than using internal amplification. With that said, I have always had highly efficient speakers, so they didn’t require a lot of power but me personally, I like having the extra headroom that an amplifier provides no matter what volume I want to play my system, I don’t have to worry about clipping or not having enough power. Know how much of that can be heard, that’s highly subjective and debatable.
Definitely go separated over higher end avrs. But, it’s hard to recommend the appropriate brands and models without knowing the budget you’d like to stay at for the pre pro and amp. I’m sure Youthman will recommend one brand and model for a $4000 budget and a totally different brand and model with a $10,000 budget. Knowing how much you have to work with will allow Youthman to give you the best advice on what to buy, IMO.
SO what is the problem?. You are enjoying it can 2 channel or 13 channel it doesn't matter. Main is you are enjoying. Remember its digital world if your digital source Lets say CD having good quality sound recorded and you system producing the way you want to listen. You are having the world best system., If you run for let say HI Res DAC and amps above >10000 $ and your source is garbage (Not high-Quality recording) The expensive system can't correct it. Even it will output Garbage. Don't get confused Enjoy life..
I had the SR8015 with Klipsch and never felt the need for an amp. If the speakers sound clean at the volumes you enjoy listening, you likely do not “need” an amp. Adding external amps is a good thing as it allows for better dynamics and overhead.
I like your video clip . Last a month ago I bought Emotiva power amp and I did hear the difference and it the best thing I did . I had two channel and went to five channel. Cheers
I have Onkyo AVR that came with 5.1 speakers for $260 that I bought over 7 years ago from Amazon lol!!... still works great!! Hot as a heater but still running strong. Sounds better then stupid soundbar for sure !!
Hai sir am using Marantz SR 8012 AVR with Bic America PL980 tower PL 66 surround PL 28ii center channel which power amplifier to suitable my system, Marantz MM7055 or emotiva basX 7 which one suitable power amplifier sir pls guide me thank you
I have a dumb question. The Monolith amp does not have a remote for volume control. Does that mean the volume is controlled via a Marantz processor and it’s remote?
Why are there no mid-range processors on the market? Something like 7.1 or 5.2.1 with xlr out and with HDMI 2.x passthrough? I got amps for all my speakers ready but the price for a Marantz AV7706 is just insane. Even an used AV7703 is over 1000$.
Youthman what should I do? I was going to get the Marantz 8015 but now I don't know. I have an Outlaw 7000, it is 140x7, also I have all Klipsch speakers 7.2 setup adding atmos few months from now. So I will have a total of 11.2 setep. Sorry a lot of info I know but in my question is this. I have no receiver as of the moment. It was fried by The Electric Company working on the lines, I have bad luck. So I'll need a good new receiver and more amps...... Basically I want to go separates, I'm going crazy just thinking about it🥴🥴🥴 help me Obi-Wan you're my only hope.
Nice. From your 8012 receiver to 7705 pre/pro does the sound differences is day and night? how about from 7705 to monolith HTP1? does HPT1 sound much better than 7705? Because me myself heard so many people saying pre/pro is much better than AVR, so I am wating from my Emotova XMC-2 to replace my Denon AVR X6400H. I am expect a much better sound from XMC-2. We'll see when the XMC-2 arrived. Actually I prefer HTP1 than XMC-2 but unfortunately HTP1 is not available in my country.
I have an Outlaw 975 Pre-Pro and Outlaw 5000 amp. Now there are no cheap Pre-Pros. Why doesn't Sound United take a good receiver and yank out the worthless amps and sell it as a Pre-Pro?
Hey Michael, (WARNING THIS COULD BE LONG) my name is Roy Diaz and I am new to this whole home theater gig but I am getting a lot of knowledge for this from you and your RUclips counterparts. I will in the future be getting a Klipsch Reference Premier line (with either Klipsch SPL or SVS line for subwoofers) for a possible 7.2.4 or 7.2.6 (depending on space) Dolby Atmos system with by-amping my fronts (L&R) and my surround rears (L&R). This video has helped me a lot (along with other videos) to understand how to use AVRs with amplifiers and also utilizing separates, which I am considering very highly. I do have a couple of confusing questions that I am asking help with. Essentially, if I am going to use separates, how(1) and with what(2) would I need use the Marantz AV8805 in order to complete my sounding/video staging to include by-amping connections for my fonts (Klipsch RP-8000F) and surround rears (Klipsch RP-6000F or the RP-600M)? Any and all sounding advice or considerations would be most helpful. I know it is all up to my preferences and space but in this case knowledge is power. Thank you very much. Please let me know through this comment thread (instead of the video teleconference that you all do daily) as my schedule does not permit me to be available during your RUclips Daily HI-FI.
Just received my Anthem AVR that is hooked up to Totem acoustics bc I place priority on listening more critically to music, but, anything I choose has to go from 2 channel to Home Theatre in my den and bonus rooms. I have Emotiva separates in the bonus. The Anthem is just out of the box and I haven’t had time to use any room correction and the music sounds phenomenal. My wife even commented on how nice and warm it sounds. I also use Cambridge and Arcam products over time so I’ve heard quite a few products who do it well. So far very impressed.
Excellent presentation, however, little confusing at the beginning. When explaining the AVR you started by talking about the processor component. When you talked about the processor, you noted the lack of amplification. All true, however, to a novice they may think that the pre/pro did not have all the processor compensation like Dolby, Atmis etc. Which obviously is not true. Bottom line, the only difference really is the amplification on the AVR vs no amp on the pre/pro.
Youthman, for my 7.2.4 I’m running Monolith 5x200 external amp along with my denon avr4300. Is it possible to use the denon to amp my surround rears n atmos if I go with the Marantz AV7705? Hope that makes sense
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Yes you definitely can, my system is a Marantz av7005 my sons bought me for my 60th birthday, I had a Carver av705x 5 channel amplifier. When I went from an older Rotel Rotel RTC 965 pre-processor to the Marantz all I can say is WOW.
Exactly
its' actually still pretty amazing the sound quality you get from better AVR', after all these years! Technology definitely kept improving, and the performance per dollar improved to a point where you actually need separates , for the average person! I'd say most do just fine running speakers as small, using powered subs, and that's all you'll likely need. Yes, better equipment dictates separates, and you get better potential sound quality. Again, depends on speakers and rest of the system though,including your expectations, lifestyle, setup, acoustics, etc whether the law of diminishing kicks in above or bellow your needs. When in doubt, and money's not an issues, yes, get separates for higher end performance
Im interested in a double-blind test to see if you or others can tell if there is an audible difference between using a AVR as a Pre Pro and a dedicated unit. The only thing I think might make a difference is the balanced outputs if you have some kind of unusual interference
Hard part about that is it’s not an easy switch from the AVR to a Processor. Also you would have to level match them since XLR are topically have a few dB gain.
Outstanding explanation as always!
Thank you
Agreed
Very great information simplified ! Thanks Youthman!
I have been waiting for a while for monolith 11x to be on sale since the pandemic has made them unavailable
This is the most simple breakdown I've found by far - thank you!
Glad you found the video helpful
@@Youthman Just started my journey last week and I too found this very informative. Thank you.
Glad you found the video helpful Michael.
@UCFYQbVJNyxx44MFPhjegs4w go away.
Monolith dont last decades it not real
I have a NR1200 and need to use an EQ for all sources. Does it make sense to use the NR1200 as a preamp and place the EQ in between NR1200 and 2 channel amp 7025? Thoughts?
Excellent information for the beginner ! I agree with Marc below, there needs to be more affordable options for pre/pros, I feel there is a market for them.
I’m all for more affordable pre/pros
Youthman how would a DAC hook up with these things. Seems like Audio companies want you to buy two systems - HT and Hifi? Who has room for all those speakers. I would just like to be able to do very good HiFi L/R plus Center Channel for TV.
@@kevinweber5129 You will need an HT bypass preamp
There's the Outlaw model 976 7.2 Pre/Pro BUT it's only available in the US. It's also slightly pricey for what it is coming in at $1000 USD. It's also outdated now with only hdmi 2.0/1.4.
Jairo Reyes I don’t know what that is. Do you have a model to such?
Need some advice. New to Home Theater Community. I just purchased a Marantz 7015 AVR. I love the sound I’m getting from it. I had a Onkyo 787. I notice an immediate difference in sound and clarity. Was this a good purchase or should I go for the 8015 you talked about in one of your video
Truly excellent informations, I just want to add a few additions to this valuable information. If you are not using power-hungry speakers such as Bowers & Wilkins 800 Diamond series , the processor you will purchase will only have a placebo effect.
After going separates I could not be happier...
Hi 🙋 why it that so
@@romanlewandowski9616 it’s night and day difference... when individual speakers are fully powered by dedicated amplification, the sound quality and fidelity is sonic bliss... it cost more but well worth it... your home theater sounds just as good if not better than a commercial theater...
Well said. I also find a processor has better channel separation than an AVR
@@johnf517 I am running Marantz SR 8012 and a Anthem MCA 325 for the LCR and I cannot say it makes much of a difference
I never heard much of a difference adding various amplifiers over the years to AVR ‘s. It wasn’t until I switched from the SR 8012 to the AV 7705 that I noticed a significant difference
One of the most relatable audiophile online. Just love your passion to share. It comes through and its informative as well. Great job!
Thank you James I certainly appreciate the compliment sir have a great weekend
Can you do a video about the processor with the most outputs? Priamp
im using my yamaha aventage 2080 as pre out it sound really good i try a couple of different amplifier it make a huge difference compered to the avr amplification.. i just cant spend 4k for a processor where i am in canada price are nuts ,, i know the newer denon avr allow you to turn off the internal amplification this can be a great solution for those like me
I am going separates. Great video and thank you.
Thank you soooo much, guess you solved my problem,
I have been using a Yamaha AVR, but the audio that I have been getting was not what I want, guess I need a processor.
Thx for the great info.
I went back from separates to a receiver for conveniences. I had a Rotel preamp processor 1570 and Rotel 1565 D - class 5 channel Amp .I Now have the Marantz SR6014 and I can say I haven't greatly lost any sound quality in the change over only noticeable is a slight decrease in dynamics. I really enjoy the tonal quality of the Marantz SR6014 overall. I think like I did careful research to find the receiver that suits yours needs but without a doubt if i had the money i would got back to separates but at this time I'll stick with my Marantz. Receiver.
Fortunately they make some really nice AVR’s. I was always thoroughly pleased with my SR8012. The AV7705 just took it to the next level.
@@Youthman I read there is problems with the new HDMI 2.1 chip on 2020 Marantz, Yamaha and Denon AVR, that they give black screen with certain input. Do you know more ???
Yes I made a video discussing it - ruclips.net/video/jzw1j-CaK2A/видео.html
IMO there's a huge disconnect/need for 7.1/9/1 mid-level Pre/pros
it's a shame there's only high end options for pre/pro.
It would be nice if Denon released lets say a 3000 and 4000 series version pre-amplifier and allocate the budget to XLR since they don't need amplifiers. I think they would sell like hotcakes.
That would be cool
I can't wait for your review on the new Marantz AV 7706
Thanks. It’s in the works
Wow, this was super helpful! Definitely earned a sub! :) Thanks man! I just picked up a set of 5.1 speakers from Aperion Audio over black friday and I am looking forward to exploring this new realm of tech. :) Thanks!
Awesome! Thank you and hope you enjoy the content
Just a quick note: The SR8015 has a pre-setting which shuts off the power amp and allows for processing only if one is so inclined or you can set the front L and R to be process only and run it through a fine amp that way for 13 channels. I love mine.
I went from avr 5014 witch I run as pre amp to prepro 7701 no differences even worse 7701 does not support audissy eq software
Same DACs same bad phono stage , the only benefits 11 channels
Thanks for this excellently informative video! I've been wondering about AVR vs separates, and now I fully understand the pros and cons of each. Thank you good sir!!
Thank you kindly. Glad you found the video helpful
I have a sony str dn1040 7.1 receiver($599), 6 polk audio t15 bookshelf speakers($300 total for all 6), a polk csr center channel($49), a polk audio psw505 sub($169). My neighbors hate jurassic park t-rexes lol
I know all of this (mostly learning from you in the past) but I still love to watch for some reason... testament to how good quality your videos are!
I went separates about 5 years ago and never looked back. Marantz AV8802a with a 5 channel Emotiva XMP AMP and a smaller 8 channel Basx for surrounds and heights. But one thing that was been problematic, these big boxes generate a TON of heat!
The BIGGEST part of this upgrade for me personally
is watching the Pre/Processor and Power Amplifiers..
.... separate the money from my wallet ...
** Cries in Audiophile Hi Res Atmos Surround **
🤣🤣🤣 right
This is simply the most informative straight forward video about something I had absolutely no idea about but always wanted to ask. I'm going to subscribe!
Thank you MrEdinSJ. Glad you found the video helpful
Oh my God, we already moved from separate to single piece and now again we have to go for separate,
If you can read my comment above
I’m patiently waiting for the new marantz 7706 myself, 🤦🏾♂️
Alton Moore II Should be announced soon. I hope
Bonscott it’s supposed to come out in November, it should be anounced next month or so when they break the embargo .
Alton Moore II Awesome. Embargo? Marantz and Denon have both been releasing products
Embargo is just means the people in the know can’t share info until that date and time.
I get press releases from companies prior to them announcing to the public.
That’s how I released a video on the new Denon and the new Marantz AVR’s the day the embargo released.
@Youthman --- Any benefit to having an AVR and Pre/Pro w/wo amplifier working together in a movie/game or music center setup?
Sometimes I hear of people using an old AVR’s amplifier section connected to another AVR’s pre-outs to save some money instead of buying an amplifier when they already have an amp in their spare AVR. I don’t recommend that approach, but it’s possible.
@@Youthman--- So using two AVRs is a maybe... but using an AVR with a Pre/Pro or amplifie is a no?
@antiWhiteism777 it would be the same thing. I’m not sure why you would want to do that.
I was hoping there was more to sound systems than my $299 LG sound bar! Now I know I have to step up to the high dollar $599 Yamaha receiver.
Get the flagship Avr and a two channel amp for the front 2 speakers .. nuff said
great video...what are your thoughts on the monoprice amp....605030 ..?..for hometheater...they are on amazon....
@Youthman glad to hear the family is good & safe! Looks like you all are having fun! Can’t wait to see the additional content from what you all are experiencing. Enjoy, be safe & cheers to all!
What do you think of running Marantz Cinema 50 with the MM7055?
I want to extend to 7.2.4 /5.2.6 and would run as many speakers through the external amp.
As Always AWESOME Chat...I use separates in my living room & basement. i would never do jus AVR... My basement is really a different story. That equipment is the Same as a Theater rack and theater Speakers. So, the sound is different from my living room. Gotta luv Sound Pressure...Stay Safe, Be Safe!!!!
Thank you
After doing some research, unfortunately I cannot use my receiver As dedicated amplifier. Went ahead and ordered the 7705 and another external amplifier. I feel confident that youth man knows what he’s talking about and I should be happy with the change
Excellent Articulation and Very Informative - Thank You
Glad you enjoyed it David
The one thing about this comparison is it isn't real apples to apples, the SR8015 is more in line with the 8805A in terms of features and level of build quality. The 7706 is better compared to the SR7015, which would put the prices more in perspective of the real difference, the 8805A is significantly more expensive than the 7706, just as the SR8015 is quite a lot dearer than the SR7015.
Not to say the SR7015 and 7706 are not very good quality, but they are not as high end as the Japanese made SR8015 and 8805A.
As it happens, the 8805A is $700 AUD more expensive than the SR8015, and the 7706 is as much as $800 AUD more expensive than the SR7015. It is rather hard to swallow that step up in price when they take out the amps and sell them for more, the preamp stage would really want to be a huge step up to justify that.
It's a shame Denon don't sell a pre/pro version of the X6700H and the A1H, but then i don't think they really need to either i spose.
pro's or cons really depend on brand/type as price and specs depend on it ... Buying an SR8015, 8016 and 8017 isn't fun for your wallet.
But neither is buying an AV10 or AVM90 ... so it all depends...
Excellent explanation and very informative. Just one question what is the difference between balanced and unbalanced out. Do we get any advantage or gain quality with balanced out. Also I watch all your videos, they really good inspirations for home theater buffs.
Balanced outputs have no benefit other than being better at canceling out external noise, which shouldn't be an issue anyway at short distances like if you just have an amp sitting right on top of a processor and you just have some 1-2 foot RCA cables connecting them. If you're not running 10-20+ foot cables, there's no reason to use balanced. There is absolutely no difference in quality and unbalanced is 100% not a problem.
I have a Denon 4400 and I have 2 amplifier ati 3000 three Channel and bass x 6 for my Surround channel thinking buy Marantz 8015 or marantz 7706 please let me know thank you
Good to know - Hearing difference already with receiver/external amps....now I know to get a separate processor. -I was going to anyway! 😄
Thanks a lot youthman. This was extremely helpful. --
Best wishes,
Your friend from far east!
Glad you Enjoyed it
You should also add . . .
Your situation is not "typical".
Most people that buy surround sound receivers are not dropping 3 to 4 thousand dollars on one. Most AVRs sold (80%) are in the $200 to $1,500 range.
A more accurate comparison would be to compare a typical $650 AVR to separate components costing $4,700 to $357,000.
In that, far more "realistic scenario", i think it becomes crystal clear why most people will go with an AVR. Simply put, most people (97% of the population), cannot afford separates.
I do think that someday, (80+ years from now?), we may see companies develop affordable, powerful separates, (2-3 hundred dollars for a pre-pro and 2-3 hundred dollars for a 7 channel amplifier, adjusted for inflation of course), but I am not holding my breath.
You are correct, owning separates is not typical. The VAST majority of home theater enthusiasts rock an AVR (which is awesome). Nothing wrong with that.
I have the opportunity to review a lot of gear and simply want to share my experiences with them in real world environments and scenarios.
Marantz introduced their new Pre-Amp Mode which is supposed to get you close to separates performance. The main purpose of this video was to see how the SR8015 in Preamp mode compares do separates.
If we heard a significant difference in this comparison, wouldn't you think there would be even more of a difference if I had used a $650 AVR? I'm not sure what purpose that would serve. Most would say that was an unfair comparison because of the HUGE price difference.
Most people that have a $650 AVR likely do not currently have the budget for separates, regardless of how huge the improvement might be.
I'm not sure where you are coming up with your 80% and 97% numbers. The reality is we all spend money on something that could easily allow us to be able to purchase something that might otherwise seem unattainable.
Let's take smoking for example.
"Smokers in New York City shell out around $10.67 per pack, which amounts to $320 per month, $3,895 per year, or $38,950 over ten years to sustain a pack-a-day habit."
Seems like 1 year of not smoking would allow someone who does to be able to afford separates.
I've never bought into the "most people can't afford" mindset. If someone wants something bad enough, they will figure out a way to earn the income to be able to afford it.
I could have easily bought into the lie that "Only rich people have dedicated theater rooms." Instead, I worked my butt off to pay off our debts and built two home businesses, bought quality used equipment, bartered website design services for audio gear etc. As the saying goes, "Where there's a will, there's a away."
And FWIW, I certainly wouldn't hold your breath for a $300 pre-pro or 7ch amplifier.
Have a great weekend
Thanks for the video. I love to get your thoughts on the new pre amp mode on the 8015. Does the performance gap between processor and receiver still exist?
Will soon find out
I like how you explain everything( make it simple for anyone new in to Home theater ) . I need that MARANTZ SR8015 in my House 😁🎶🎶🎶🔊.
Thank you Eli.
Youthman Thanks to you Michael .
Sorry, but I love my Denon for processing and to amp a few channels but my 5 channel Emotiva amp does most of the work. Fantastic!
can i ask, i have marantz pm 10 but i dont have avr like you said to runing my ps 5, so i dont need to buy new amp but just go buy avr n pair with my amp to running my 8k tv ? note i just have a 4 speaker bnw 1 subwoofer n tube pre amp custom...
Thanks for the information. I have a Marantz AVR and the information is very useful.
Which brand of XLR or balanced inputs did you have for the video?
Love seeing videos like this. It would be really nice to see other amps reviewed and see what your opinion is on any sound differences for home theatre viewing when using separates with different amps.
I have owned 4 amplifiers. I have never noticed a difference in sound between them. I think processors and AVR’s make more difference in how your system sounds.
Thank you for keeping your videos clean and informative. I like the fact I never have to worry about what might come out of your mouth with my daughter next to me.
Thank you kindly. You can be assured that I will never say anything that would not be appropriate for your daughter to hear.
@@Youthman channa lol
Hey hey no pointing fingers now 🤣🤣🤣
I use prosessor to use with active speakers! Very usefull and you have optimal aplification to each channel because the amp is build for the speaker!
Great vid sir, wanna ask you, i found amp like parasound dont had output for sub, if using pre/pro how to connect them?
AVR interconnect into amp, so avr running fr surround sound, hence 2.0 by amp plus sw
#youthman I thought you would be a born Separates only listener by birth 😀. Good info as usual 👍
I would never go back after having separates. As fast as technology changes its cheaper to buy a new processor then a avr. Good amps will last you a long time.
For sure
NO dear channels are also increasing day by day so you need change amp also. let say you having 7 channel amp. but now Pre/Pro amp is of 13 you had to go for 13 change amp also. And as the time passes capacitors of amp decay . So its better if you want your system young go for both .
Hey youthman, I recently bought a 8500h, I had a very good dealer who offered me to check both marantz 8805 and Denon 8500h in my home.
I setup both systems and to my disbelief I found the marantz 8805 was completely lifeless and Denon was full of liveliness......
Pls give a clarification on that.
Btw I upgraded from 4400h
I used external amplifier for both units.
I used rca outputs from marantz
I used Denon in preamp mode
Pls clarify
I have not reviewed either one of those but I have yet to hear anyone that owns an 8805 say that it was nothing but stellar. Not sure if it was a set up issue, difference in calibration etc. There are a lot of things that could’ve caused a difference
@@Youthman even I wanted to own a processor from marantz. I had very high expectations for 8805. But the bass response was very poor. Bass integration was poor.
The dealer even told me that I won't like 8805 since it doesn't sound as good as 8500. But I insisted him to sell me the processor, so he just gave me both to find out for myself.....
Even Denon sounds dynamic only in preamp mode. Once i enable the internal amps the life just goes away..... Whether they do it intentionally I don't know. But once internal amps r enabled it sounds like junk. I have not tried connecting 8500's internal amps yet.
The important thing is you found what sounds best in your setup
Great break down. This is exactly what I wanted to know.
I appreciate you Youthman. Keep up the good work, I enjoy your vids. I'm also looking forward to/wondering about your review of the marantz sr8015 and/or 7015. I'm looking at most likely buying the 7015, as I have a five channel amp to power the mains and two rears, and would need the receiver only for the four atmos speakers I'm running so the additional power per channel rating of the 8015 is not usable for my situation. I do wonder about if there is any sound quality difference between the two though.
My guess is there not be much sound difference between the 7015 and 8015
is the AVR processing the video signal, or just passtrought it
very good explanation. thank you.
Came to home theater setups from car audio setups😊😊😊
8800 series Pre/pro is the best way to go for power supply.
Excellent video, you hit all the major points and yet kept it concise.
Thank you kindly
I think I might try mono blocks for each speaker
It's amazingly hard to find clear connectivity descriptions like you did in this video. I wanted to confirm that my understanding was correct before buying some gear, and your video has finally given me complete confidence.
Thank you Casey. I’m glad you found the video helpful
Thank you for keeping this fairly simple and for us Noobs 😉.. trying to learn since I'm starting out from scratch leaning more towards the HI-FI direction 👍👍..
So glad the video was helpful
A gifted teacher! Thanks for helping me from start to finish and beyond!
Thank you Martin. I’m wanting to put together a course for those new to hone theater.
I have a question. I mentioned (cut and pasted) in a couple videos - not sure about your or not, to be honest, about ordering an external amp (Tonewinner AD-8300PA 11-chahnnel amp) as a first step towards separates. I've heard it mentioned somewhere or other that the internal amps can cause interference with the processing chips and that going full pre-out would benefit clarity, but I can't find articles or videos confirming or denying. I e-mailed my brother, a Ph.D. who teaches electrical engineering at a university (under grad and grad classes) He agreed that single amping a speaker at 240W (I have Klipsch RP-60Mii for L/R) I would get better results than my current bi-amp with ~120W., but he's very suspect about the EMI and would appreciate any article or video about it. Any way you could post a link if you can find anything that might be useful?? My current AVR is a Denon X4700H and I have a 7.2.2 system. I just bought the amp a minute ago...I better not be disappointed ! :)
I have on mini amplifiers over the years, none of them have been absolute night and day difference than using internal amplification. With that said, I have always had highly efficient speakers, so they didn’t require a lot of power but me personally, I like having the extra headroom that an amplifier provides no matter what volume I want to play my system, I don’t have to worry about clipping or not having enough power. Know how much of that can be heard, that’s highly subjective and debatable.
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Would you pick a pre amp over the x6700h denon and if yes which one with similar specs and a separate amp to go with it?
Definitely go separated over higher end avrs. But, it’s hard to recommend the appropriate brands and models without knowing the budget you’d like to stay at for the pre pro and amp. I’m sure Youthman will recommend one brand and model for a $4000 budget and a totally different brand and model with a $10,000 budget. Knowing how much you have to work with will allow Youthman to give you the best advice on what to buy, IMO.
I can’t keep up with the technology in this stuff I’ll stick to my old stereo
SO what is the problem?. You are enjoying it can 2 channel or 13 channel it doesn't matter. Main is you are enjoying.
Remember its digital world if your digital source Lets say CD having good quality sound recorded and you system producing the way you want to listen. You are having the world best system., If you run for let say HI Res DAC and amps above >10000 $ and your source is garbage (Not high-Quality recording) The expensive system can't correct it. Even it will output Garbage. Don't get confused Enjoy life..
I had Klipsch Reference 7.1 with Marantz sr5015. Adding a power amp will benifit in sound signature. Pls guide.
I had the SR8015 with Klipsch and never felt the need for an amp. If the speakers sound clean at the volumes you enjoy listening, you likely do not “need” an amp. Adding external amps is a good thing as it allows for better dynamics and overhead.
I like your video clip . Last a month ago I bought Emotiva power amp and I did hear the difference and it the best thing I did . I had two channel and went to five channel. Cheers
Congrats!
Thanks
I could not agree with you more !!
My go to guy for everything home theater! I still live in a simple 2 channel world, stuck in a time warp I guess
Glad you’re enjoying the content
I have Onkyo AVR that came with 5.1 speakers for $260 that I bought over 7 years ago from Amazon lol!!... still works great!! Hot as a heater but still running strong. Sounds better then stupid soundbar for sure !!
Hai sir am using Marantz SR 8012 AVR with Bic America PL980 tower PL 66 surround PL 28ii center channel which power amplifier to suitable my system, Marantz MM7055 or emotiva basX 7 which one suitable power amplifier sir pls guide me thank you
So, I can't afford separates anytime soon, but which AVRs do the best sound processing most similar to a pre/pro?
Completely subjective. I have been very pleased with Denon and Marantz. Many like AVR’s with Dirac Live
I have a dumb question. The Monolith amp does not have a remote for volume control. Does that mean the volume is controlled via a Marantz processor and it’s remote?
Yes, most amplifiers are controlled by your AVR or Processor.
Thanks, so you said going with Yamaha CX-A5200 preAmp with Yamaha MX-A5200 power amplifier instead of Yamaha RX-A8A receiver better choice?
I have been looking for a processor with an eARC HDMI port but have only found AV receivers with it. Are you aware of a processor with eARC?
Why are there no mid-range processors on the market? Something like 7.1 or 5.2.1 with xlr out and with HDMI 2.x passthrough? I got amps for all my speakers ready but the price for a Marantz AV7706 is just insane. Even an used AV7703 is over 1000$.
Youthman what should I do? I was going to get the Marantz 8015 but now I don't know. I have an Outlaw 7000, it is 140x7, also I have all Klipsch speakers 7.2 setup adding atmos few months from now. So I will have a total of 11.2 setep. Sorry a lot of info I know but in my question is this. I have no receiver as of the moment. It was fried by The Electric Company working on the lines, I have bad luck. So I'll need a good new receiver and more amps...... Basically I want to go separates, I'm going crazy just thinking about it🥴🥴🥴 help me Obi-Wan you're my only hope.
Nice. From your 8012 receiver to 7705 pre/pro does the sound differences is day and night? how about from 7705 to monolith HTP1? does HPT1 sound much better than 7705? Because me myself heard so many people saying pre/pro is much better than AVR, so I am wating from my Emotova XMC-2 to replace my Denon AVR X6400H. I am expect a much better sound from XMC-2. We'll see when the XMC-2 arrived. Actually I prefer HTP1 than XMC-2 but unfortunately HTP1 is not available in my country.
I have an Outlaw 975 Pre-Pro and Outlaw 5000 amp. Now there are no cheap Pre-Pros. Why doesn't Sound United take a good receiver and yank out the worthless amps and sell it as a Pre-Pro?
Hey Michael, (WARNING THIS COULD BE LONG) my name is Roy Diaz and I am new to this whole home theater gig but I am getting a lot of knowledge for this from you and your RUclips counterparts. I will in the future be getting a Klipsch Reference Premier line (with either Klipsch SPL or SVS line for subwoofers) for a possible 7.2.4 or 7.2.6 (depending on space) Dolby Atmos system with by-amping my fronts (L&R) and my surround rears (L&R). This video has helped me a lot (along with other videos) to understand how to use AVRs with amplifiers and also utilizing separates, which I am considering very highly. I do have a couple of confusing questions that I am asking help with. Essentially, if I am going to use separates, how(1) and with what(2) would I need use the Marantz AV8805 in order to complete my sounding/video staging to include by-amping connections for my fonts (Klipsch RP-8000F) and surround rears (Klipsch RP-6000F or the RP-600M)? Any and all sounding advice or considerations would be most helpful. I know it is all up to my preferences and space but in this case knowledge is power. Thank you very much. Please let me know through this comment thread (instead of the video teleconference that you all do daily) as my schedule does not permit me to be available during your RUclips Daily HI-FI.
Thanks for the concise overview Youthman. I know which way to go now. Time to save my pennies.
Glad the video was helpful
Hi... Iam.Planning to Purchase Marantz AV8805.. Do I need to Purchase AVR with this?
Like always.... ur good my friend 👍🏽. Thanks a lot 👋🏽🤩👋🏽
Thanks Serge
Fantastic explanation!! Thank you!!!
Just received my Anthem AVR that is hooked up to Totem acoustics bc I place priority on listening more critically to music, but, anything I choose has to go from 2 channel to Home Theatre in my den and bonus rooms. I have Emotiva separates in the bonus. The Anthem is just out of the box and I haven’t had time to use any room correction and the music sounds phenomenal. My wife even commented on how nice and warm it sounds. I also use Cambridge and Arcam products over time so I’ve heard quite a few products who do it well. So far very impressed.
Excellent presentation, however, little confusing at the beginning. When explaining the AVR you started by talking about the processor component. When you talked about the processor, you noted the lack of amplification. All true, however, to a novice they may think that the pre/pro did not have all the processor compensation like Dolby, Atmis etc. Which obviously is not true. Bottom line, the only difference really is the amplification on the AVR vs no amp on the pre/pro.
Youthman, for my 7.2.4 I’m running Monolith 5x200 external amp along with my denon avr4300. Is it possible to use the denon to amp my surround rears n atmos if I go with the Marantz AV7705? Hope that makes sense
Are there any good processors for $1,000? Why are they SO expensive?
Emotiva BasX MC1 is the only one I know of. I have always found Emotiva Processors to be quite buggy