Dell Dimension 2400 CPU Upgrade
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- Can a cheap and simple CPU upgrade give an old, low end computer enough oomph to cut it in the modern world? Watch and see!
In a new and exciting twist, RUclips refuses to let me upload a custom thumbnail for this video (and this video only, seemingly.) The complaint is "unable to finish saving thumbnail". I've tried a multitude of pictures, high and low resolution alike, so it's not that. Once again I suspect that data integrity means little to RUclips and that this indicates a screw-up in their database. I guess all this figures, since I spent a lot of time working on a custom thumbnail.
If you want to perform this same upgrade, look for S-Spec # SL6PG. This CPU also works in the Dimension 4550. Just be sure you have the latest Dell BIOS first!
As for the mistake around the six minute mark, well sometimes my mind doesn't always keep up and sticks random, peripherally correct (at best!) words in. Outside of the various "amateur filmmaker" videos, none of my work is scripted or rehearsed. Most everything is done in one clean set of takes. 
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I like fiddling with old dusty computers more than I do building new ones.
+Joshua Pierre Same here. I resurrected my childhood computer a while ago.
Can't agree more
Same here, I just think older computers were better built, maybe not in terms of software but more the hardware side of things they just felt higher quality.
I'll give ye a prime example I own a 6 yr old Toshiba laptop, band it's been very good for the time I've been constantly using it since I bought it, I'm typing on it just now LOL.
But it cost £1000 back then and it just doesn't feel as well made as a computer of that price should be, in fact the cheaper lines of Toshiba laptops have the eact same chassis and basic design.
If y'see what I'm talking abouthaha.
Just makes ye wonder where soo much extra money went into, couldn't be just the pecifications as it wouldn't have been that much more costly for some more capable hardware for the OEM.
Saying that I've said to Bill aswell, that I've been wanting to find my childhood computer, a 1995 Olivetti Envision from Italy.
Kind of an oddity, the last computer they ever made, didn't sell well outside of Italy if at all but I think it was a very, very unique machine that I've been wanting to share a video with everybody for ages but I just can't find one out there as they were only sold for one year before the company discontinued it.
Theirs something weirdly satisfying about it.
i dont mean to be so offtopic but does anybody know a tool to log back into an instagram account..?
I stupidly lost my account password. I love any help you can offer me
Windows 2000 Task Manager... a.k.a. "VR Matrix Simulator"!
VWestlife "WOW!!!"
I've got one of these machines that I pulled from a recycling pile last year and was shocked at it's as-new condition. It seems as though the thing was bought and simply never used, it cleaned up as though it just came out of the box, and I love it for that - a typically disposable model that survived.
I performed essentially the same upgrades, the 3.06GHz chip, a pair of 1GB DDR 400 modules, a 500GB Western Digital drive and a PCI ATi 9200 card. Built it with a fresh image of Windows XP & although it is eclipsed by modern systems for even the most simple of tasks I get very nostalgic and greatly enjoy using it to run older games.
Rock on old soldier, e-waste recycling won't get you.
Hey Bill
For older machines I use a plugin for VLC in firefox, it allows you to right click and play youtube outside of the webpage.
It is amazing how older systems are suddenly able to render good quality video with the reduced overheads. In some cases 720p is even possible on low end machines.
VLC RUclips Shortcut is what it is called.
Cheers
darkwaterblue You can also play youtube videos directly in VLC itself, and that also increases playback performance on older machines. Bu that is of course not a monetary platform and won't up the view counter on the youtube video.
+darkwaterblue Would that work for a powermac g4?
If vlc works.
Pidde Bas Yeah, I just checked and up to version 2.01 or something works
Wouldn't work. My brother and i tired it on his Dimension 3000 and it gave an error.
The Dimension 2400 was the first computer in my household that was considered "Mine" when I was younger. I love the system, and mine currently serves as a RUclips and web browsing box attached to the TV in my bedroom. It runs WIndows XP and is GREAT for running old games! Only thing I did that I don't see many people doing with this old system (Which is a good idea if you can find one for cheap) is I put a PCI graphics card in it, at least if you plan to use the system with any sort of wide screen monitors. The onboard graphics I believe only support 800x600 resolutions (Correct me if I'm wrong)? The graphics card also fixes a lot of the problems the system has with in-browser video playback!
Wonderful system, great video, I'm going to have to get caught up on your videos one of these days!
You sound just like the guy from Negativland. Have almost his humor as well.
I was trying to figure out those clips on the processor trying to work on a friends old computer. This surely helped!
Had I paid closer attention, though, I would have been more gentle with pulling the heatsink out as it pulled out with the processor and bend a number of pins as well as breaking the beige plastic pin guide, which I gently bent back in place with my thumbnail.
Now, I'm of to find some isopropyl alcohol at 91% to try and separate the fused processor and heatsink and lay down some Arctic Silver - no I wasn't swayed by your unintentional endorsement, rather I'm a fan of it as well!
The moment you picked up the CPU box, I said "It's a 3,06 GHz HT Northwood." in my mind. I just knew. It HAD to be one of those.
I recently picked up a Dell Dimension 4600 for about $30.. Plan to set it up in my bedroom and use it mostly for RUclips, email, and other misc. surfing on the Web.. Has a 3.2 GHz P4 with hyperthreading and an Nvidia 6200.. Will likely be adding more RAM so it has 3GB, upgrade the HD to a 7200 RPM one, and add a wireless networking card.. After seeing how well this one performs, I'm glad my expectations turned out to be realistic.. I didn't know these CPU coolers had issues with becoming brittle.. Good to know,, I will use extra caution when working on it..
I actually did this to my 2400, there was, in 2004, a Dimension 2400 that shipped with these CPUs installed, I purchased a 2400 for ultra cheap a few years ago with a 2.4 Celeron, and later trash picked a 2400 that came stock with the 3Ghz HT CPU, the service tag said so, so I put that chip in mine, made an absolute rocket out of it
Ive had my dell dimension 1100 since new and is still working at the moment, ive upgraded it somewhat with the p4HT 2.8ghz proccessor and maxed out the memory which is only 2Gb ddr2 then ive removed the green plastic shrowd over the heatsink and added an extra cool master cooling fan attached directly to the heatsink leaving the worn fan attached the back of the case, the reason why i did this is because the dell fans are wired differently and set off an alarm if not replaced with an original and i didnt want to buy a new one just yet, i then fitted a sound blaster 24bit sound card, a usb pci card and a sata card for my sata bluray drive and fitted an ide multi with lightscribe as the primary, ive also replaced the old ide cable with round ones for better routing and last thing i upgraded the psu to 500watts, and she works well 👍
She is also running a modified Windows Professional XP
Something that I thought was slightly interesting was that the Pentium 4 logo during boot changed when you enabled Hyper Threading.
i found a Dell Dimension 3000 on a curve, so i when and picked it up... it was full of dirt and a little wet, dry it up, some heavy cleaning, did not have a CPU, memory, no drive, no optical drive. i still had some P4, memory, and some other left over parts and it worked, and it has not stopped working,
I came across this video while browsing the internet on my Dell Dimension 3000. Yes, you read that right, I am watching this on a 2005 Dell computer. It is running Windows XP Professional, still has the original 80gb HDD, 1.5 Gb of RAM and an Intel Celeron clocked at 2.13 Ghz. I ran into the same issue you did, in the sense that it does not like playing RUclips videos all that well, largely in part that the computer is now nearly 20 years old as of this writing. Interestingly enough, it is still somewhat usable on the modern internet if using a supported web browser. Just for grits and shins, I am upgrading the CPU to a Pentium 4 HT similar to the one used in this video. It will be interesting to see if it changes the performance of this machine in any way.
I just knew you'd pull a 3.06GHz P4 out of that box... Only because I've upgraded a couple of these machines with the very same processor!
Me too! That's what mine is running right now
@@sebastianzieniewicz6107 sweet!
"tune it up for *maximum smoke.* "
Sounds about right for a 3GHz Pentium 4.
A 2020 edition is now needed! I actually have a pair of G4 powerbooks, one being a 1GHz Titanium, and the other being the HiRes 1.67GHz Aluminum. Both struggle, but somewhat pulls through. The 1GHz was given a 256GB SSD (2 partitions, 1 for OS 9 and the other for OS X), and the 1.67GHz was given a 512GB SSD, which probably helps both machines be able to pull through.
Its pretty amazing, to not only be watching RUclips on an old early 2000s Dell Dimension, but on Windows 2000!
It looks like you got the custom thumbnail working! I know RUclips has given me problems with those in the past if I set the compression level in Gimp to 0 when exporting the image; setting it to 1 or higher allows it to work. You have to love the custom thumbnail system's ever-ambiguous error messages :-).
I have one fully upgraded. You can't put a standard GPU in it because the 2400 lacks the appropriate card slot.
But I was able to purchase a primitive ATI graphics card that can utilize the standard PCI slots! And it works great. I use it for old school gaming.
there was actually a PCI nVidia 8400GS you should get that
@@RubyIsBored GT 610 PCI is the newest.
RWL2012 putting that in a dimension 2400 would be absolutely pointless though, the cpu bottleneck would be insane
Eh, I find resolution doesn't matter so much when you have a camera whose audio is good, and the video quality is good enough, and you've got good commentary. Yeah, HD has its benefits, and it's great when you upload in HD, but I see it as nothing more than a luxury. 480p is still plenty usable, even watching it on my 1080p TV, or on my 1080p monitor.
Also, my Optiplex 760 can actually load and watch your videos, so that's a plus to being non-HD!
Thank you, I found the enabling HT part very useful. I had no idea I wasnt fully utilising my upgrade.
While I’m neither a fan of the Pentium 4’s inefficient Netburst architecture, nor Adobe Flash, I feel this CPU is more capable then demonstrated. In my experience, for the better part of a decade, Flash can rev a CPU to the max, and continuously stutter to show a video, while the same video, extracted from RUclips (or the URL pasted in VLC’s Network stream dialog) and played in VLC (or your favorite player) will sip CPU power and smoothly play full screen (for a 480p video at least).
This system rates 347 on Passmark. My 900Mhz Pentium-M rates 220. The Pentium M, in an optimized system can play 720 at realtime (barely). This system should be able to handle 720p HD realtime.
+ToshibaT1200 It's certainly possible that different software could produce different results, possibly giving a much better demonstration of the performance increase. Even so, I felt the demonstration I performed gave a very good account of what the faster processor made possible. It had the added advantages of working within the confines of what I had readily available and not requiring a lot of special setup.
Good to see the old p4 still gettin it done!
I have the exact processor, the 3.06 P4 with hyper threading running at 533 FSB. I thought it was an oddity, but now that you mention it also, I am now sure of it. I am glad I kept her. I want to build the computer up to max settings for the motherboard and keep it as it was my main system for years. I also have a rare oddity graphics card, I cant remember the exact specs, I think the GeForce 860 ultra, the one first card that took up 2 bays and had an elaborate heat sink set up with heat pipes and massive cooling. It was only produced for a couple months as it was too hard to cool. I will add this to my system also as it was around the same time period. Great vids, keep up the good work!
i used to have a dimension 2400 tower, I loved that thing... it was my first computer, i pulled that thing apart and rebuilt it when i was around 8 years old... mine was decked out, real Pentium 4, floppy drive, and a DVD burner
One good thing with these Dell machines, is that they use the micro-atx form-factor. And a standard atx power supply. I used to have a machine with a defective motherboard. Swapped it with a 775 microatx board. Worked fine with a standard 92mm fan on the back. Dell makes great machines, and they're quiet too.
i have one of these 2400s. lived 10 strong years. that 2.4ghz pentium 4 was a workhorse. wanted to update it for maybe a possible minecraft server and torrent box a few years back but instead bought a very cheap dual core from a yard sale for 30 bucks that destroyed the 2400 in performance so it got recycled! great machine tho, was like 800 new back in like 2001 or something
I have a literal stack of Gateway e-2100 desktops that I wanted to Hyper Thread, I couldn't find a chip and the one I've decided to keep I swapped the board from a Gateway 510x (same board with newer revision/microcode support) so I could run a 3Ghz 800mhz bus P4... I didn't know about this chip and this will make my life soooo much easier! Thanks!
Just picked up a Dimension 3000 and when I pulled the cpu was pleased to see an Intel pentium 4 3.0ghz with 2mb l2 and 800mhz. Hyper threading enabled. Will make a great xp machine for my legacy games.
Wonder if the H.264ify extention would help RUclips video playback. It does what it says on the tin (forces YT to stream H.264 content in the html5 player instead of webm, which is usually more taxing). I'm not sure when intel and AMD started putting H.264 decode routines and instructions into their CPUs, but I know that its usually less taxing than webm.
Still waiting for my 3.06 to arrive, can't wait! Awesome vid, thxs for sharing this.
The little green tabs that backup the hold down clips for the CPU are indeed a pain to remove.
Running as hot as they do the CPU will/did pop out with the heat sinc fins. No short cuts here. Hit or miss....yea'.
I like that word the way you said "The Computer Shelves of Doom" because, it tickles me up. X) =) 2:41
If only you had a high performance graphics card to offload the video functions from the CPU. Maybe even a SCSI card would help offload some tasks off of the CPU. as well.
Ah, I miss Win2k! I would still be using it to this day if the PC that it was installed on hadn't suffered PSU failure. Don't get me wrong, I am glad in many ways I upgraded to Vista (which I still use to this day flawlessly) but there is just something about 2000 that cannot be replaced.
Hey Bill! wanted to say thanks for taking the time to reply to my random comments. Also, I wanted to let you know that I just installed the new processor and everything seems to be working out great - Windows XP is running very fast and smooth. (If you don't remember, I have the same cpu that you used in this video). But If it weren't for your video explaining stuff, I probably would still be using my slow old 2.26 Ghz P4. So thanks again.
I'm glad to hear you were able to perform the upgrade.
uxwbill For sure! Next up... GPU upgrade. Im thinking the Geforce FX 5200 128 mb card. I currently have the Geforce 3 ti200 64 mb card, although that might not be much of an upgrade though. Im in the process of doing research. Would you happen to have any recommendations?
For situations like this, I like the GeForce 6200. It's fast enough to bring a decent improvement and cool running enough to better fit the limited capability these older systems have for expelling heat. (Although Dell's ventilation design has always been pretty good.) It's also easy on the power supply. Here again, Dell was very conservative in rating their power supplies. Even so, the effects of time and use can't be ignored, and I believe the 8200 still used proprietary wiring for the motherboard power connections.
The GeForce 6200 lived long enough to see driver support for Windows 7 and 8/8.1. Neither would be a great fit for your Dimension 8200 (and Windows 8.1 wouldn't run) but if you were ever feeling like doing something very silly...
If you want to sail a bit closer to the wind in terms of reliability and longevity, I've had decent results from ATI's Radeon X1300/1550 boards in a Dimension 4550 and 8300. They've run perfectly well for years on the stock power supplies, though the 4550's power supply will overheat and conk out if you push the GPU hard enough. The 8300 doesn't have any trouble.
The very last AGP graphics cards from ATI would have been something around the Radeon HD4670 (or 3850) and nVidia made it to somewhere within the GeForce 7 series (about a 7900, maybe a 7950). I wouldn't bother trying to find the last and greatest AGP cards, though. As best I can remember, your 8200 is limited to AGP 4X operation and thus they may not work. And you'd definitely overtax the power supply if things got busy.
uxwbill Cool and thanks! That will the 6200 will definitely be added to my list of gpu’s to check out
-....would be this machine's having Intel Extreeeeeeeme Graphics.
-SORRY, I CAN'T. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Intel EXTREEEEEEEEEEEEME Graphics! ..two :D
That's an impressive performance increase. I recently upgraded a couple of my Pentium M laptops, gaining a mere 300MHz or so in clock speed. The performance difference really isn't noticeable, but I mostly performed the upgrades because I wanted to redo the thermal paste anyway, and Pentium Ms are incredibly cheap now. Plus a higher number sounds more impressive...
I had a 2350 with a Pentium 4 and I love it.
I'm shocked that it could play that HD video without killing itself. I've tried playing that on older celerons and yeah... it smokes heh.
Watch out. It has a 80 ft sata cable!
Peoria Illinois eh? I'm from Kansas and have many relatives that live all around Illinois including but not limited to Peoria, Knoxville, Galesburg, Williamsfield, and the smallest speck of a dot on a map, Delong. It's about a 10 hour dive, and remember all the trips my family would take. All 6 of us crammed into our 7 passenger blue 93 Plymoth Voyager van. oh the memories..i miss those good ol' fashion long family trips.
Windows 7 can sort of run on a Pentium 4 system if you have say 2GB RAM and a half recent DX 9 graphics card.
The machine is so important to me because it was my first PC ever
I half expected Bill to downgrade this machine!
I found a Dell in the trash all loaded with everything...but it's dead.. Is it worth fixing.?
Dell Deminsion 2400 was a slow but very reliable desktop. I still have the one I bought back 04, it was retired in late 2014
Only issues I had with this model was no AGP and no Dual Channel Memory support :\
+CommandrX The 2400 was probably the best budget oriented computer ever made...by any computer manufacturer. Dual channel memory support doesn't make that much difference for most applications.
Indeed, an AGP slot in the 2400 would have been outstanding.
glad I saw this! It reminded me I needed to put a 3GHz 800FSB P4 into a Dimension 4600 I just recently got for free, despite it being capable of an 800FSB CPU, Dell decided to stick a 2.66GHz 533FSb P4 in it. I assume to keep costs down.
I really don't know why I'm even upgrading it, I have very little use for it. Lol Oh well, maybe I'll find some use for it.
+uxwbill totally agree! I have 2GB of RAM on the way for it, and am probably gonna grab some sort of AGP Video Card, probably an nvidia 6600 GT. I think I have decided to make it a gaming rig for older games that don't like WIndows 10. anyways hope you have a good day Bill!
@Sliat I do occasionally use it for retro gaming, but most of the time I use either my 733Mhz P3, or my Core 2 Duo e8400
As an end user who does business documents and files, I watch this show because I am also a fan of microcomputer technology. I should have bought a Dell as my first microcomputer in 2002, instead of Cybernet. Both brands were all-in-one model computers.
I recently got a Dell Dimension 4600 with the same processor in it - but the thing about that is it was factory installed. The best part about it was the price, or the lack thereof
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whoops, turns out it was an 800MHz FSB chip...I must be thinking of a different Dimension I had in the past (I've had a few)
My dad had one of these, bought it in September of 2003 and died in August of 2018. Money well spent? I think so. Minus a ram & graphics card upgrade everything else was stock, booted up to Windows XP SP3 in under 30 seconds.
My dell dimension e310 a budget computer from 2004 with a pentium 4 ht actually still does desktop tasks today even with no gpu.
Hi Bill, I was wondering if you could offer advice on my Dell Optiplex GX260 project. I decided to upgrade to a 280 board for Prescott support but said 280 board didn't come with the heat sink or the plastic retainer. My question is, should I try and track down the original Dell OEM stuff or take my chances with 3rd party coolers off eBay? I'd also need the 280 fan shroud if I got the 280 heat sink and retainer.
I have a soft spot for older Dell's. the second computer I owned (that wasn't built from spare parts do to my lack of finances, was a SFF Gx110. I believe that was the model number. tan, oh so over tan.
if I ever found one of those for a decent price and in good condition and mostly original I'd buy it in a heart beat.
I'd even run Linux on it and use it daily.
My Dell 2400 bought in 2003 is still up & kicking but I have no choice now but to upgrade to something new just tech specs wise. Old Betsy (I call her) and I have survived a couple of viruses and lived to tell the tale.
Dude, you're getting a Dell!
These goddamn Dimensions used to be everywhere, in every office.
That was our first computer we ever bought, I still have it and am currently messing around with it
Owned a Dell Dimension 2400 years ago. Was a great computer. Got rid of it in 2019 because it had more problems than I was willing to deal with, but if I ever want another in the future, they seem to be a dime a dozen.
They were probably one of the best budget computers ever to be sold. Find or outfit one with the 3.06 GHz/533 MHz FSB hyperthreaded Northwood Pentium 4 as I did in this video, and you've got a pretty nice computer for assorted vintage software and operating systems.
@@uxwbill My needs are well suited with my Gateway 450ROG and COMPAQ Presario SR1910NX. Both of them are running very well despite age.
I was only hoping to offer a useful suggestion if you ever went looking for another...
@@uxwbill and I will definitely take that one into consideration!
mine is running windows xp pro
I love that Dell AT101W.
That's the big brother to the dell dimension B110. Which I currently own, that has been upgraded to Intel pentium 4 2.8 with 2g and few days ago power supply finally went out. I could go with a intel P4 3.2ghz cpu for a test. Entry level gaming if I want.
For a mid tower, it could run windows 7 home with maxed 2g ram with 3.2 Pentium 4. Would be laggy but with power supply replaced. It still could do the basic computing stuff.
You might wanna try replacing the os from Xp to windows 7 home.
Panel size does not affect the performance, only the resolution does, because a bigger panel just has bigger pixels.
Nice improvement I actually found that exact same processor in a junk computer I found on the side of the road in the pouring rain and put it in my garage pc ( A rather basically equipped dimension 4600) This runs circles around the original processor.
Just an extra the original processor in that machine cooked itself (not entirely having to do with the fact that the heat sink paste had turned to grey dust) when my friend decided it would be fun to play very processor and graphics heavy games while I was sleeping. Needless to say I found the machine with a fan sounding not unlike a jet engine and the entire thing completely locked up.
omg put this in 2x speed soooo awesome
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Bend the pins on an athlon 64 trying to free it from the heatsink. My tool slipped and bent a good amount of pins.
Thankfully it survived. Works great to.
Great channel Bill, thanks for sharing your videos.
As you've noticed, this particular CPU is the ultimate upgrade for 533FSB limited systems. It used to be expensive on eBay for that reason, but I guess the P4 has aged to the point where even it's premium chips have devalued.
I was experimenting with H.264 720p video playback on a P4 some months ago. It was iffy. Surprisingly, I found that the Prescott is faster at similar clocks than Northwood for that application. At the time I found a weblog where somebody else had found the same thing, but it's gone from the internet now.
I don't know if that's because of cache or SSE3 support. I still don't think it's worth the heat though. This was with pure software decoding under VLC Player with an AGP card (an old model but with plenty of bus bandwidth).
Re: Video Cards
Ironically, there are almost no AGP cards in existence that provide effective H.264 acceleration. None at all from nVidia(*), and I think only a few expensive ones from ATI. There are however some PCI cards that can do it, because they kept making PCI cards after AGP had been quickly pushed off a cliff.
* = I think some 7000-series cards *claimed* to accelerate H.264, but they had little to no real effect. The useful H.264 cards didn't come until later.
An interesting PCI card for video playback is the GeForce 8400GS. That was one of the first cards to have truly effective H.264 acceleration. It can resolve the problem of PCI bandwidth because if the feature is working, video data is not decompressed until after reaching the card. However, there are caveats:
1) There are actually 2 different GPUs that were marketed as an "8400GS". Only the later GPU has the desired H.264 features. I think getting a 512MB card ensures it will have the later GPU, but I could be wrong about that.
2) I don't know if this card can help youtube. I only had hardware decoding working with an offline video player application (not VLC). Flash support is another complication, and I don't know enough about it to say whether that can be achieved.
To get hardware H.264 playback on an 8400GS PCI, I was using a particular video player under linux. Inside that application there was an option that needed to be changed, and then it started playing H.264 smoothly with very low CPU usage. The difference vs software mode was obvious. This test was done on a Dell Dimension 3000 (PCI only P4 machine).
Unfortunately I don't remember the name of the player or the option that needed changing. I'm also not sure whether it has a Windows version, or what the Windows alternative would be. It wasn't VLC - as far as I could figure out, VLC does not support hardware video playback.
+yorgle11 You mean the PresHOT Pentium 4?
How do you get the 8400GS in PCI and not in PCIe?
@@noncounterproductive4596 I think the ones I've seen were made by Sparkle. You have to look at the edge connector to see which interface it is. There were a fair number of PCI 8400GS 512MB cards made, at least by Sparkle if not anyone else.
There are also some later NVidia PCI cards made by Zotac but they are more rare and expensive than the 8400GS cards are. NVidia PCI cards with h.264 support include the 8400GS 512MB, G210, GT520/GT610, GT430.
** The 9400GT, 9500GT exist as PCI but those do NOT have h.264 acceleration.
Unfortunately, trying to search eBay for "PCI" cards is pretty broken because of confusion with "PCI Express". There's a lot of search engine pollution because the terms are so similar, and many just get mislabeled.
So even if you include "PCI" in your search terms, you still have to look closely at the pictures to be sure what it really is. You'll get a better price if you find one that hasn't been listed as PCI. It's time consuming to look through every 8400GS to find them though.
The MPC-BE video player can play videos on WinXP (maybe Win2k?) with hardware h.264. You have to mess with the options to get it enabled, I don't remember the details.
An 8400GS in MPC-BE will offload the CPU and can smoothly play 720p30 for sure, probably 1080p30, but do not expect 60fps to work. It also will not play h.265 which some newer videos are (but usually h.264 is still used for 1080p and below).
These cards will not accelerate youtube or any other video sites in the web browser.
There are also some ATI AGP cards from the HD2000-HD4000 range that can do h.264 in the same MPC-BE player.
@@yorgle11 Is this what you had in mind? Search item number: SFPC84GS512U2LP
@@noncounterproductive4596 Yes, I think that's the same card I have. You can see they're PCI by the edge connector.
When I got mine it was like $20 but that was a long time ago, and shipping was cheaper back then. If you wait or dig through more listings you might find a cheaper one, but I haven't looked at the prices of these in a long time.
Last I was aware, the 8400GS was cheaper than the other cards that could do h.264 but that might have changed.
It is probably not a good idea to try to push your computer to High Definition if it only has standard PCI slots. A few years back when i was a lot younger i used an AMD Athlon 2800+ XP system with two different AGP cards (the nvidia Geforce 5200+ and Nvidia Geforce FX 6200+) and even though both of the cards were somewhat costly. They were reasonably adequate for playing games of that time (about 2009) but stuggled quite heavily in the system when trying to play back MKV High Definition Video files locally. I think at least a low end PCI Express card probably will do a better job than any PCI graphics card currently available. That's if PCI video cards havent already been phased out. From what i have seen PCI is fast becoming non - existent in most modern computers.
yeah, maybe in the odd case an older computer with an AGP bus might work. But i don't use windows media player for streaming, no normally/.*****
Great video! I still own a 2.66GHz Pentium 4 on a 533MHz FSB that I use as a time-to-time backup server (running Ubuntu Server), and the BIOS always had a greyed out HyperThreading option. The motherboard definitely didn't support an 800MHz FSB (I did try it ;) ) and I wasn't aware of any 533 P4's that could do HT until now. I might just have to upgrade!
Thank you so much for making this video! I'm using a Dell Dimension 8200, and it cant do much considering it has a 2.26 Ghz P4. So with that being said, I ordered the same cpu that your using in this video ( a 3.06 Ghz Pentium 4 533 bus socket 478 processor). It hasn't arrived yet, but lets hope it works out for my Dell. Fingers crossed!
Only some versions of the 8200 motherboard support the 533 MHz FSB speed. For those that don't, it seems the CPU will still run, but at the wrong (lower) speed. The later board has an Intel 850E series chipset, which supports the higher speed. You could probably check which chipset you have with a tool like CPU-Z.
Update the 8200 BIOS *before* you install the new processor.
uxwbill Sounds about right! According to CPU-Z, I have the later 8200 with the i850e chipset. Also, I currently have the BIOS Revision A05, should I still update it? If so, what revision? In your video it looked like you were using the A05 also. If possible I want to avoid the hasstle of updating the BIOS. Thanks.
The latest BIOS for your computer is revision A09 and it is what you should use. You should definitely update the BIOS before you attempt to install the new processor, or you may have an even bigger hassle on your hands. (You might have to put the original processor back, update the BIOS to support the new processor, and then reinstall your new processor.)
Because BIOS releases are specific to each piece of computer hardware, and the Dimension 2400 is very different from your 8200, A05 is the latest BIOS release for the 2400.
uxwbill Sorry to bother, but I got another question about the bios. So, i have the setup file on a usb, however, im not given the option in the boot menu to choose “USB.” I decided to try putting it on a CD, booting off that didnt work either. Do I have to have a floppy available to do this? I dont have a single floppy disk in my house. Thanks again.
You'd have to put an operating system (in this case, DOS) on your bootable CD or USB flash drive. Your Dimension 8200 can definitely boot from a CD, but I'm less sure about USB devices. It was very early days for booting from a USB device. I'd be moderately surprised if the Dimension 8200 could do so.
The easiest thing to do would probably be to get a floppy diskette somewhere. Major office supply stores usually still carry them. But if you can't do that or don't find any, you might take a look at "Creating a Custom Boot Disc" here: cdburnerxp.se/help/Data/bootdisc .
Nice video but I hoped to see a CPU load in Task Manager while YT playback.
As for video card offloading, I tried to do this with Zotac GT610 PCI but unsuccessfully. It never worked properly with neither of my vintage PCs. Something with PCI version compatibility I suppose.
p.s. with 480p max almost any text is unreadable (CPU legend, onscreen captions...)
You may have had the same problem I had: won't boot with both a Zotac GT610 PCI and another PCI sound card installed. The Zotac has its own sound card functionality for its HDMI output. And will conflict with another PCI sound card (e.g. Soundblaster). The Zotac worked fine with the motherboard sound.
i need help i CAN'T OPEN IT!
+BGamer 88 (GBamer88) Remove the screw holding the side panel on if present. Press down on the lever with a finger on one hand, use the other to slide the side panel toward the rear of the machine. Sometimes they stick, especially if someone was rude or careless and just jammed the panel back on -- or if the machine was subject to some kind of mechanical trauma.
Have you not got any spare nvidia/ati PCI cards around? I stuck a GeForce 6200 PCI in a dimension 2400, and it works just well
I have no interest at all in installing a graphics card in this computer. And as the video pretty clearly indicates, its onboard Intel GMA was doing just fine!
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Yeah, I was just thinking as a booster for the onboard graphics or for playing some older games that might stutter or have bad performance with the Intel 'Extreme' graphics
I could never go back to Pentium 4. I once admired this particular CPU, since it looked 'fast", but really it wasn't.
Even now Pentium M looks and feels slow, even when having the fastest model available.
Now, having a Pavilion dv9000 (which I got for 5$ from a thrift store, though it had cracked LCD, several covers missing, 2 GB of RAM inside) with dual-core Turion 64 X2 feels sooo much better. You can clearly notice multi-threading in action.
god I love the 2400
+TheExplosionKing I dont know why though
Bill you need to go for broke on this machine. Since Win2K is small, get a small 32GB SSD and get one of those video cards you mentioned. You would have a decent retro gaming box.
Why do you use the old keyboard? Im just asking. I like the keyboard and I really wanna do 1 project but that would cost some money.
I've been fixing up and cleaning my old Dimension 1100 the last few weeks... just put a fresh install of XP Home SP2 from the recovery disks on it last night. Runs very nicely; chokes when I get a few Firefox tabs open, but multiple webpages open on 2GB of RAM on a modern browser is expected to have less than desirable performance.
Took a while to get Windows Update working... in the end I had to download some Windows Update Agent from Microsoft's website and install it with the launch option "/wuagent".
+Gaveroid You should try installing the latest LTS version of Xubuntu. It is a lightweight operating system that will work better with the limited resources on your computer. I have been using it successfully on a 2005 Compaq Presario V2000 laptop with 1GB of RAM and the AMD Turion 64 ML-37, which is likely not as powerful as the P4 in your computer. XP, along with all of its service packs and updates, is significantly more bloated than lighter distros of Linux and it is not even officially supported anymore.
Luke Marine I tried Ubuntu, which was horrible, then switched to the LXDE desktop manager - also horrible. WinXP is faster and more stable than either by a long shot. Thanks for the suggestion though!
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To each his own, I suppose. Linux isn't for everybody. I had to fiddle with the drivers quite a bit to get the wireless and the SD card reader working on my old Compaq laptop, which included copious amounts of swearing and foreign terminal commands which I had to find on support forums. I would still recommend giving XFCE a shot. I am impressed with neither Ubuntu's native Unity nor LXDE, with the former being ass-backwards in every way imaginable and the latter being too buggy for my tastes. I find that XFCE is quite similar to older versions of Windows.
Luke Marine I might have to try XFCE... thanks
Nice keyboards , model m and a dell at101w
You don't happen to have any of the dell at101 with the old logo do you ? Without the windows keys, if you ever see one get it , they feel far nicer than the 101w and the caps are much better.
I have pushed my Deskpro EN SFF in a similar way , there is a 1.13 P3 in it ! , it bitches about microcode but it works just fine , had to have a socket adaptor.
This was my first computer, I managed to get a BFG Nvidia 8400 512mb video card, PCI (not express) kept the PC, back in the late 2000's early 2010's this was my daily
I just did a similar thing to a dell dimension 3000 I got from the recycling center, Also what was the computer that you unplugged the sound cable from at 19:13 it looks very interesting.
I got my grandmas 2400 and did almost the same thing. 2 GB ram upgrade and a 3.2 p4 at 800mhz and 1mb. It runs xp sp3 now and I use it regularly! theyre solid and idiot proof computers arent they?!?
Hi from France. Today I am replacing the original P4 3.00 CPU from my oldest PC DELL Dimension 8300 for a P4 3.40 (Northwood because I read bad things about Prescott in DELL Dimension). Your video is helping me as there is the same system (clips) as in your 2400. I also have to replace the 2 DVD and blu-ray burners. Hope I will succeed, Thanks ! PS : I purchased the P4 3.40 ghz on AliExpress for 12 euros shipping to France included, I hope it will work, looks nice, there is a sticker on the pins side, in the center it's written "AUG 04" I wonder if it's better to leave it or not.
A Prescott Pentium 4 in a Dimension 8300 will not be a problem. Dell offered several Prescott CPUs as a build to order option for the 8300. What you will need is the "enhanced performance" heat sink, which you should already have. It was included with any system having a 2.8 GHz or faster processor.
There isn't much of an advantage to having the Prescott CPU over a Northwood, unless you have software that requires SSE3 support.
Hopefully the pins are undamaged on your new CPU. They are not fun or easy to straighten. I'm not sure what to suggest about a sticker on the pins. If it's just sitting on top of them, it should be pretty easy to remove without damaging anything.
I already placed the 3.40 Northwood P4 last night and I've done all the replacement (BD-DVD burners, cr2032 battery...). I will start the PC probably in the afternoon. All went OK, only the second black clip was difficult to close because I put maybe a little too much of the Akasa thermal compound on the cpu but I finally managed to close it. Then I replaced the 2 green clips (?? don't understand their utility), and yes the heat sink is bigger than yours, and it has 2 kind of copper tubes built in. I soon will know if the 3.40 cpu works (when I purchased this PC the price difference between the 3.00 and the 3.40 Dell DD8300 PC was more than 200 euros), this cpu has 30 inbuilt mini ICs implemented in the center between the pins, the 3.00 has only 12. I hope that it will improve a little bit HD video playing, the 3.00 was not really bad but some 1080 avchd video didn't play well, not all, only a part. Of course I know that the difference will not be too important, it can't be compared with my I7 PC. Is it possible and risky to overclock this cpu and would it improve avchd playback ? A little moment of suspense and I will see if the chinese of AliExpress sold me a good or a bad CPU !!
After powering on it seems that all went OK, PC works nice and displays as P4 3.40ghz.
I tried running Pale Moon on a Pentium 4 running Windows 2000. One of the unofficial updates installed a "Application Compatibility Launcher" but it does not work. I also tried the Chrome tool. That allows me to install it, but it crashes with "GetNumaHighestNodeNumber". Can you help me?
***** Pale Moon works on my Windows XP install on the same computer. I guess I messed up with the 2000 unofficial updates. I hope you make the Windows 2000 Unofficial Updates video soon, since it's definitely more confusing then Windows 98's unofficial updates.
Plus, I would stay far away from Chrome on older computers, since it becomes a memory hog once you start populating the tabs.
I've had one of these with a P4 since 2002 or 2003. It was my first XP machine.
Like always enjoyed your videos keep up the good work.
Uxwbill have you ever seen one of those dell smart step ultra cheap computers from 2001?
I am looking around your room, uxbill, and your room is filled with computers. Why do you have so many computers?
put windows 7 on it, 32 bit, it supports dual core X86 and with 2gb of ram you have a perfect little computer for anything, I am running a similar system, core 2 duo 7200, same as that P4 and with 2gb of ram and it's fine for most modern day internet stuff, it can even edit video decently too, and it's 32 bit X86, supports 64 bit but only instruction level, does much better run 32 bit same as your P4. Windows 7 and 3gb of ram 2gb and 1gb DIMMS and you'd be set, nice little computer, add an agp1x graphics card if it has that slot and you can edit video their awesome little things, very capable and can be run in real mode DOS too, try it. :)
If you use a pata to sata adapter to hook up a ssd, it runs extremely fast with win xp!
There are also inexpensive PATA SSDs. However, you probably do get what you pay for.
And then there's the whole TRIM support thing, but I think that's (mostly) a non issue. If someone doesn't, there are utilities for that purpose that run just fine on WinXP.
uxwbill , yeah, true, but I only have sata ones.
Yeah it only shows the boot screen for almost 2 seconds. Same with my Win 7
yeah using a graphics card is most entirely will let up on the CPU load as I have an open air computer with the use of such a graphics card and watching it in high resolution certainly does work well on it as I can watch a video in high definition 720p with no issue and even push the envelope of 1080p which does tax my internet connection
Have you done any new videos lately? Because I'm always interested in what it is that you do!!!
I have that computer. It was given to me by a computer tech. My win 10 is down so I dug this one out I got rid of the winxp and replaced it with Lubuntu which seems to run pretty good. I want to put a video card in it. Do you know what would be compatible?I have the original pentium 4 with 2G of ram. Thanks.
Almost any video card that fits into a PCI slot (not PCI Express, PCIe, or PCI-X) will work. I'd go with an ATI/AMD card under Linux. The power supply has its limits, but no PCI video card should exceed them.
I don't see much difference with 720p anyway. Your right all real PCs have floppies. I can use em for my Disklavier.
put Windows 7 32 bit on it and it'll work lovely, it supports hyper threading in a 32 bit environment, as long as you have a decent amount of ram 1gb or more it will run just fine. 2gb of ram, 32bit X86 dual core, that is a nice little windows 7 system not joking
This brings me back to my P4 3.0Ghz rig with 1gb of RAM and Geforce 6800 video card and I tried to play HD video and it was choppy and pretty much not watchable.
which processor did you used for this ? and how to u choose your processor for the laptop ?
I have a 2400 and Laughed so hard. Thank you for that
My mum had a dell dimension 2400 in our garage. It is covered in dust. I am planning to refurbish it and try to get it running and I will figure out what I can do with it. It has an Intel celeron but I do not know what spec because I haven't been able to boot it as I don't have a power cable for it. I will be getting a power cable soon.
It has not been started since 2010 so I do not have high hopes for it.
Edit: The computer booted although 1 of the ram sticks were faulty limiting me to 256mb of ram. My USB keyboard and mouse will not work in Windows xp. They work in the bios and I have fiddled in the bios but cannot get the keyboard and mouse to work in winXP. Any reasons why?
You know there's now a extended kernel for Windows Vista x64? I'm still just wondering why they didn't try to extend XP's kernel, but with mypal and serpent browser, it's just fine for me.
I have no great desire to ever revisit Windows Vista. I am sure there are "extended" kernels for XP out there, but I've not run any.
@@uxwbill I couldn't get the one for XP to work outside of Vmware. But that's the one i'm mostly not interested in.
If I remember right, the i845 is Intel Extreme Graphics, while the i865 is Intel Extreme Graphics 2.
+Racecar564 The i810 and 815 chipsets represented the first-generation Extreme Graphics core. i845 and 865 (not sure if there was an integrated graphics version of the 875) both featured Extreme Graphics 2.
+uxwbill Are you sure? At least if I'm understanding it right, Wikipedia is showing the i845G(L,V) having Extreme Graphics, with the i845G(V) having Extreme Graphics 2. Also, it looks like there's indeed no "875G" (or so to say).
It also might help for me to say that both Extreme Graphics and its successor are second-generation in comparison to the i740 and other older ones being first.