Tons of awkward downtime with no focus, aimed shot needs a focus reduction or mm needs more focus regen outside of aimed shot… plus make aimed shot castable on the move. BM out damages and can do the entire rotation while jumping and running
Can you guys please cover what’s going on for intel based Mac users?? If you don’t know patch 10.0.5 has bricked the entire game for a lot of mac users that are on mid 2010s hardware that worked perfectly fine in dragonflight up until now. We’re coming up on 72 hours for the game being down for us and the only place talking about it is the official forums. Our subs are getting wasted as we speak and there’s a ton of frustration mounting from a sizeable portion of the player base. Please shed some light on this fiasco because blizzard only just made a blue post update about it this morning since Tuesday.
As a primarily M+ player, I'm having a blast with Outlaw and will continue with it since it's so strong right now. However, I'm keeping an eye on Assassination which looks to be on the rise. Really happy having a class with multiple specs I fully enjoy.
@@Ricmaniac I can safely say that Assassination took a hit and not a buff this time around. You are energy starved and the diffs in sims vs for example Sub is now so major that it's not even really a choice anymore. Especially for M+, sub is the only way if you prefer daggers right now. The IC / KB spec was perhaps a more difficult spec to play, but alot more fluent and just basically a stronger spec than the current DTB spec, however that spec is now completely dead.
No idea how people enjoy Outlaw. It's a lazily designed, spammy builder spender spec, and having to keep multiple mandatory combat enhancement buffs up is lame. Aoe rotation - blade flurry and proceed with the usual spam
Yes, removal of Double Tap really, really sucks for MM hunters, but the real damage is how screwed up the talent tree is now. There's no flow and significant dps losses to get back to talents that make the spec fun. The Devs really screwed up on this one...
I was fine with double tap going away, it's all the other changes that I'm hating. Also it's frustrating to hear they did this because we did to much damage and then see that Fury is now doing as much damage as we used to. This is not balance they are just shuffling the deck.
It’s not like they honestly care how much the game gets screwed over. All they care about is getting the low pay they get, control over something, and moving jobs later using Actihell as just a steep ping stone to a better work place.
Fury got really glanced over here, but the changes were actually in line with the biggest buffs of the entire patch. The best builds have totally changed, if you are Fury, look up a guide from someone who mains Fury on youtube in the past few days. Everything flows better in terms of rotation, and Siegebreaker is super competitive now too, opening another build up completely.
Yeah, I switched to an Onslaught build as it seems to be doing better numbers than the Odyn's Fury build. Definitely big damage gains for me and feels good.
Warlocks- the suppose change to Soulkeeper are not minor changes, they reworked the suppose buff into a huge nerf. Also there is a bug with grimoire felguard's felstorm counting as the summoned felguard's felstorm and putting certain abilities on cd which is not intended. Over all as a Lock main, i feel kinda robbed this go around and feel that blizzard needs to rethink their suppose buffs and stop nerfing peeps.. why not buff others or fix other mechanics and stop being the fun police lol :)
Soul keepers “buff” was a decimal point typo. One fixed. I didn't notice this was a thing. Fixed an issue where Grimoire: Felguard affected the cooldown of Guillotine, Demonic Strength, and Felstorm. Guillotine, Demonic Strength, and Felstorm now put each ability on cooldown for the appropriate amount of time. You can’t continually buff specs. You have to nerf, if not you end up with mobs with4 billion health.
At this point I’m convinced they don’t have a mage dev at the company. The beta/alpha feedback on the tree was subpar. the trees leave no room for exploration or customization really. The two losing specs (Fire and Frost) get small buffs with no explanation. And it’s clear mage player want the class looked at and reworked some (cough kill RoP) but it’s been dead silence from Blizzard.
Welcome to the last 8 years playing Arcane Mage for me...I'm happy Arcane is top; although still annoyed that Supernova is STILL just a place holder talent that is rarely used anymore. Completely agree with getting rid of RoP (as I have been saying that since legion) for something just as beneficial yet more 🤔 mobile.
Props to the prot warriors honestly. Those shields are really useful for stopping marksmanship’s shots indeed. I’m just glad they didn’t got nerfed too hard, I actually have quite a bit of fun playing tank warrior.
Started DF as a guardian and loved it, I was looking forward to the changes coming and to my dismay, they absolutely ruined it with the talent tree. The Druid class side is fine but god does the guardian tree feel bad now
@@christianb8901 Maybe I should focus on my (not-resto) shaman or warrior. It ultimately doesn’t matter for the level of content I play, just sucks to have things taken away or broken and feel like you’re losing something.
What can I say? Use a shield next time, land lover. On a more serious note, that actually sucks for our bear friends. I want them to be viable tanks too, instead of having mostly prot wars. We need more good tanks for more tank diversity.
my Ret can 1v1 Obsidian Citidel mobs pretty well, which makes doing my weeklies for the Black Dragonflight less reliant on assists, these buffs will do for now, though i do hope that they take a look at Ret soon, a really good look.
About the warlock changes, destro is better at long AoE compared to Demo and is beating it in ST at least at higher ilvls. Affi is a mixed bag which feels bad but I'm pretty sure blizzard is still scared to buff it too much since legion existed
Also one thing to mention about Guardian which isnt in the patch notes. They nerfect the Thrash/Mangle CD on Berserk from 100% to 50% so you can spam cast them like before. They didnt add that in the patch notes.
@@daethmer7834 hard to really describe what changed but basically they increased the duration of the debuffs arms applied and focused on doing damage with a reworked tree.
It might be a nerf in a strict dps sense, but double tap felt really clunky imo. I would've preferred it be a weaker ability but not on GCD personally, but as someone who's playing a lot of her MM recently I'm cool with it just being gone.
I don't play MM in pvp so I can't speak to that, although from the receiving end it seemed pretty OP to be brought to deaths door if not outright killed by one aimed shot in BGs, but a GCD ability that does nothing on its own and only buffs your next use of one ability feels bad to me in the middle of a fight, idk what to tell you.
@@leaflotus6726 That was literally the only time it felt fine. It WAS clunky mid-fight since it was on the GCD. Obviously there was always a proper way to use it as you'd just press it right before rapid fire came off cooldown, but overall being on the GCD was definitely clunky apart from openers.
Resto Sham damage buffs are nice and all, but how about something to help our heal throughput though? A buff where we actually need it? We're still lacking hard. The amount of build up and riptide juggling needed to be able to cast very unsatisfactory heals feels bad.
I just stop playing resto because all you have is Big Cd, without them you just cast 2s heal for 30k hp, while your tank in this time get 40-50k dmg.... Only playing resto on BG's
(Sighs in BM Hunter) I know they're not technically the worst, but seeing the buffs to other specs now, it's definitely going to force those who hate the style of MM hunter to play it if their raid leaders and M+ groups have sway over them. I like a BM hunter's freedom of movement and the idea of a pet classes, but seeing the new dps rankings of the BM hunter drop shows how Blizzard piecemealing these "balances" looks terrible for the bottom specs who wait too long changes (if any). There always has to be a bottom spec but the gap between top and bottom really makes gameplay unappealing and even makes players question competence on Blizzard's part as to why they can't do the math to fix burst and long term dps in expansions.
This is a thing that happens with every expansion, there's going to be big gaps between classes & specs. During bfa so around 2-3 years ago BM hunter and fire mage were majorly OP, but now they're both bottom specs. So it's expected that those top specs will be nerfed and bottoms buffed in the future. MM hunter has been consistent a very long time though, that's why I also like to play it. It's just those two extreme ends that usually get fixed
@@bellamorda9582 If you don't have survivability issues, it's likely you're not doing the level of content that would cause you to have survivability issues.
Resto druids should have been in the mixed bag section as well: The new talent isn't popular and the class tree redesign has caused A LOT of headaches. Also, Protector of the Pack is either nerfed or bugged, and either way it's now doing about 40% less than it used to, panning out to a huge nerf to resto damage output.
It might be affecting guardian as well as I saw regrowth healing go from 250k-500k down to 129k-180k when using protector + Dream. The nerf or bug puts guardian in the D tier. Insane how the worse performing tank gets bigger nerf than warrior. At least before it wasn’t 2 tiers behind the next tank. Hope it’s just a bug
Shadow Priest is incredibly clunky right now. Especially for someone who prefers Mythic+. I'd honestly be happier if Shadow Crash landed on my target rather than a skillshot and mind sear wasn't a channeled spell but a dot that radiated off a single target or something. We already have void torrent, mind blast and mind flay that keeps our feet planted. I don't think it's at red alert or anything - but I think the class design isn't keeping up with the fast pace nature of modern WoW content.
I don’t do pvp so I can’t say much about that, but the constant movement makes it feel very clunky and unrewarding. Maybe instead of a talent that allows us movement while casting, maybe a talent that prevents forced movement? Dathea and Sennarth feel horrible to play as Shadow
@@Harrowing999 As shadow priests we definitely could use some technique to help counter the constant movement required especially in this expansion. Applying dots while moving isn't getting the job done. Being able to cast mind flay while moving for example, would make shadow priest game play a lot more fun, and feel incredibly liberating.
I'm a Havoc DH/Frost DK that just started a Shaman because I am so offended by teh Ret Pally issues. Yes, I am whining, and yes I know I misspelled "teh" in my previous sentence. Cheers!
So I leveled up my ret pally to 70 and now I'm in the gearing process. After the damage buffs, I'm not seeing the big issue here. I will say that they feel pretty squishy at times, so that's definitely an issue, but so far in dungeons I feel like my burst damage is fantastic. I'm not sure what all the fuss is about or why they're considered so bad? Maybe I'll have more to say once I start Mythics and Raids.
@@EliteXx745 that's not what I was referring to exactly. I know people complain about the talent trees, damage, and survivability a lot. Wowhead has them rated at the bottom just above Survival Hunter. I'm saying I don't understand why they're believed to be in such a bad state. Maybe I'll see it more once I'm in higher content.
Destro is actually better than demo as it stands. At least by itself with no PI. Destro got a good handful of buffs in some class tuning patches beforehand and the 10.0.5 changes just added shadowburn to some of the talents which makes them a little better in PVP. Affliction is just sad. The changes they gave to them added a ton of bugs, reduced quality of life substantially (even though the developers said the intent was the complete opposite), and all they got was more ST with rapture, a spell most locks despise to this date, and 25% to harvester of souls. A 25% buff to that talent is like buffing the original acid rain for shamans by 25% instead of 150%, its meaningless and totally unimpactful. Not to mention the funny haha knee-jerk unironic 90% nerf to soulkeeper and that inquisitor's gaze also got a nerf because it procs the raid rings less now.
Amazing video! Helped me decide what to play when coming back to the game and get a little idea of what to expect. Would really appreciate timestamps for coming back to this video!
The Ret buffs are nice but damage isn't the issue The issue is everything procs at once. Constantly. The entire rotation is your screen flashing and you have to decide which flashing button to press. Many of these abilities share the same priority while Crusader Strike gets ignored. Holy power constantly gets wasted due to this. You want to judgment before your TV, but often times you are capped.
Man I tried to enjoy enhance in m+ and just got completely bodied in azure vault . So many things kill you at close range. When I’m ele/ranged dps there is minimal mechanics to worry about and fewer margins of error during dps rotations. Enh has a ton of aoe burst potential but they’re so damn squishy 😢 I give up on melee, too much effort for little reward. My brother plays BM hunter over WW monk and he doesn’t regret it a single bit 😅 forgiving rotations and easily avoid mechanics that otherwise destroy melee dps . Also has no issue with moving targets and hectic movement fights
Frost needs a full rework because as soon as there is downtime, frost can’t recover because IV needs constant uptime. Also World of Swirlycraft is getting annoying, casters can’t cast while melee maybe have to move out for one mechanic but get right back into their rotation without missing a beat.
they did what they had to, one button was doing too much DPS, propelling it higher than the other specs, and it was broken in PVP, this was inevitable.
Still hoping to see some more changes to warlock tree and destro tree. Their damage is in a better spot at least for higher end m+ keys when things live for long enough. But their raid performance is pretty bad. I hope they can fix up the talent trees a bit
@@RegencyYarl yeah ive noticed aff performing quite well in heroic raid actually so i might need to give it a shot. ive never tried aff and not sure if i would like the playstyle but ill try it out eventually. i reallllllly enjoy destro but for raid i might need to learn aff for at least a few fights because destro just downright sucks on some of the fights especially raz
I've been getting the dread touch bug in M plus for aff so not sure how it's doing. Been seeing the hybrid ST and AoE build but until dread touch works properly it's hard to know how good it is. Also it's hard to compete with the on demand cleave of demo as well as the shorter cooldowns in M plus. Havnt got to use affliction in raid yet, but I'm excited to give it a try
as a ret paly main i can say im happy with how much damage it does. im 389 itemlevel and can brust 134k and stay at about 80k overall. so any changes we get im happy to have them lol i top charts in most my groups for M+ in less its a rogue lol
Frost single target def comp with if not better than arcane now(check mythic terros logs) you can play it on pretty much every raid boss except Dath/Rasz and do just as much dmg.
Right? If Blizzard keeps fixing these issues and stops breaking specs (sorry, Guardians), then WoW should be in a good state when Dragonflight launches.
@@julio4494 Trust, I second-guessed myself multiple times, changed talents to recommend between sindra/obliterate, etc. The numbers were still the same even with rotation optimization on top of rotation highlight addons to reassure. I ain't the only one suffering :/ *reiterating multiple target on initial opening
God I get that. Seeing a tank or a healer doing more aoe than you always sucks. I wish for frost to get better. It’s a pretty fun specs, and it needs help atm.
As a mage main, I was hoping for a bit more on frost. I love Arcane, always have, but Mages always seem to suffer from the whole "one spec is better than the others" syndrome. At least this time it's Arcane, instead of being juggled between Frost and Fire.
There's a feeling of one being better because with a pure dps class that is all ranged or all melee, they have the purpose and therefore naturally compete with one another. Rogue is another good example. Hunter's 2 ranged specs have always been compared. Priest disc is always competing with Holy on who's better as a healer (whether its Hps throughput or if ability to heal + damage efficiently)
It's true that the three specs tend to compete more than compliment, but IMO mage is in the best place it's been for a good while. All three specs are competitive, there are no weird borrowed powers or legendaries to juggle and unlike previous expansions you don't have to hard stack different secondaries for the different specs. I used to alt mage for those reasons but it's my main for DF - I play all three specs in all content and it's honestly the most fun I've ever had with a class in WoW. And honestly, unless you are a *very* elite player who can really squeeze arcane for its peak value, all three specs are now performing about the same. I'd actually say frost is easily the best for most players most of the time (even pre-buff that was probably the case and now it definitely is).
Mained survival since legion. I like where they're at right now. Been doing solo shuffles, and I feel like batman with my utility belt. Good for every situation (PvP wise, I don't play PvE)
Bel whats the addon you're using that shows a timed circle reticle over your cursor? Looks like it really helps with tracking its location which is something I need
The Fan the Hammer nerf isn't deserved. Sure, nerf the damage I'm fine with that, but with this nerf the playstyle is soooo much worse. I played some +16-18's and it's just not fun for me. I'm outlaw one-trick since legion but I honnestly considering to try something else even though I don't want to.
I know right? Having to weave in another sinister strike/ambush after fanning the hammer feels horrible to play. Might try playing around with echoing reprimand and keep it rolling to see if it feels better than the ambush spam spec now. If that still feels off i might just roll sub for m+ since assa still has a playstyle i dont much enjoy in multi target
I’m in a wierd spot where I play my evoker and top dps a lot then I hop on my dk and I feel like I’m scratching the surface I’ve rarely run into other dks doing big dps and when I do they usually are way over geared then me
lol what. I'm a UH DK main, we're doing just fine, actually we're doing great in most content. M+ only feels bad with small pulls, but in raid i'm top dps no matter what the pull is. Context of my opinion, 2600 io and 2/8M. I'm probably overgeared to say the least but don't give up on DK. Blizzard isnt touching us because we genuinely don't need it
Uh dk is doing just fine on ST and M+, frost on the other hand is extremely reliant on BoS uptime, so their effectivness in M+ is extremely reliant on if your tank is chain pulling or not, it also depends on which dungeon youre talking about. Same could be said about ST but its infinitely easier to upkeep BoS for 2+ minutes on raid encounters and have near constant uptime which makes them solid on ST (obviously unless you screw up and cut your breath short)
Mages overall feel weird to play. (But i am not maining frost and fire so i will not try to judge the current situation) Arcane is not a "Switch and kill all Spec" that some say. It is incredible finicky to play ATM where you can go from 60 k dps to 30k just because of unlucky crit/proc happenings. One of the mayor things to look at is "Rune of Power": The visuals are FAR smaller then the area, the Cast time is incredible annoying and it is nearly a MUST pick. Its alternative gives around 12% damage boost and is hardly timeable with buffs. RoP gives around 24% more power if you just cast both triggers on cool down and gets even FAR better if you time it with lust and the other buffs. I would really like to see them buff the shifting power to 14-30 from 4-20 with a slower shift so we can actually work with it as an ALTERNATIVE.
The Sin rogue changes are NOT good, really wish people would do their research before peddling this rubbish. They have essentially added a new capstone (Arterial Precision) that you don't take in AoE or Single because it reduces single target by roughly 10%, and have also killed the Kingsbane build by making it a choice node with Dragon Tempered Blades, as it's almost always a DPS downgrade too. It's massively reduced choices in talent selection and hasn't fixed the issue with swapping between AoE and ST, meaning you will still have to heavily index into one or the other. It didn't do anything to people running DTB but it nerfed our other choices which sucks
bellular please cover the mac outage, blizzard screwed up the patch so hard none of us have logged in to 10.0.5 yet. I also have pvp maining a gimped ret paladin to look forward to whenever the game can finally launch. I unsubbed over both issues, they have 3.5 weeks to win me back.
Ironic, because I've improved my overall SPriest dps in dungeons by like 25-40% with the new changes and their implications and they weren't even mentioned :D
I am not a fan of the mist generation and buff ability of mistweavers. The cast time is long and annoying, does not suit my fistweaving style. And its so strong its a must have pick. Third thing is that the choice that we are presented that connects to the ability is like no choice. On one side, you have more cloud generation = just more heal. On the other, you have massive buffs for up to 30 seconds.
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Devs screwed up the MM hunter talent tree, it's so weird and jank now
Tons of awkward downtime with no focus, aimed shot needs a focus reduction or mm needs more focus regen outside of aimed shot… plus make aimed shot castable on the move. BM out damages and can do the entire rotation while jumping and running
Just being back legion MM
@@Alexonthetube hunter is top every expansion, cry more :tf:
@@Prostate_Tested oh yeah everyone knows warriors, rogues, mages, warlocks, dh, dks are always at the bottom
@@Alexonthetube it’s true I play bm and I jump around like a bunny in the raid while doing my whole
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Can you guys please cover what’s going on for intel based Mac users??
If you don’t know patch 10.0.5 has bricked the entire game for a lot of mac users that are on mid 2010s hardware that worked perfectly fine in dragonflight up until now.
We’re coming up on 72 hours for the game being down for us and the only place talking about it is the official forums.
Our subs are getting wasted as we speak and there’s a ton of frustration mounting from a sizeable portion of the player base.
Please shed some light on this fiasco because blizzard only just made a blue post update about it this morning since Tuesday.
As a primarily M+ player, I'm having a blast with Outlaw and will continue with it since it's so strong right now. However, I'm keeping an eye on Assassination which looks to be on the rise. Really happy having a class with multiple specs I fully enjoy.
Switched to assassination from outlaw after few years. Really like the class a lot! just not sure if it's better but having fun.
@@Ricmaniac I can safely say that Assassination took a hit and not a buff this time around. You are energy starved and the diffs in sims vs for example Sub is now so major that it's not even really a choice anymore. Especially for M+, sub is the only way if you prefer daggers right now. The IC / KB spec was perhaps a more difficult spec to play, but alot more fluent and just basically a stronger spec than the current DTB spec, however that spec is now completely dead.
No idea how people enjoy Outlaw. It's a lazily designed, spammy builder spender spec, and having to keep multiple mandatory combat enhancement buffs up is lame. Aoe rotation - blade flurry and proceed with the usual spam
@DeatheCore pretty easy to enjoy a class that pumps, has a bunch of utility, and ALWAYS has a button to press..
@@Jokhumify Have you tried Arterial precision build? I'm running pretty reasonable numbers in +15's
Prot Warrior casts Ignore Pain.
Prot Warrior goes on with his day.
"...unless, perhaps, you're thinking about ret paladin."
**reacts with confused wing one-shot PTSD**
PvE Ryan, they are talking about PvE 😂
MUHAHAHAHA!
pallys have been completely nerfed to the ground in arenas, i doubt you will see a single one, and if you do, make sure to focus on him lol
Yes, removal of Double Tap really, really sucks for MM hunters, but the real damage is how screwed up the talent tree is now. There's no flow and significant dps losses to get back to talents that make the spec fun. The Devs really screwed up on this one...
Mm was my main.. now I’ve been learning survival and that shit hard.. I gotta think a lot more😂
I was fine with double tap going away, it's all the other changes that I'm hating. Also it's frustrating to hear they did this because we did to much damage and then see that Fury is now doing as much damage as we used to. This is not balance they are just shuffling the deck.
Dont even get me started…that was definitely needed but we hunters got fucked. Big time
Fine for me /shrug
It’s not like they honestly care how much the game gets screwed over. All they care about is getting the low pay they get, control over something, and moving jobs later using Actihell as just a steep ping stone to a better work place.
Time stamps pls!!!
Fury got really glanced over here, but the changes were actually in line with the biggest buffs of the entire patch. The best builds have totally changed, if you are Fury, look up a guide from someone who mains Fury on youtube in the past few days. Everything flows better in terms of rotation, and Siegebreaker is super competitive now too, opening another build up completely.
my Fury has Odyn's Fury and Thunderous Roar for his big buttons, bringing on the bleeds while looking cooler than a Rogue.
Yeah, I switched to an Onslaught build as it seems to be doing better numbers than the Odyn's Fury build. Definitely big damage gains for me and feels good.
Warlocks- the suppose change to Soulkeeper are not minor changes, they reworked the suppose buff into a huge nerf. Also there is a bug with grimoire felguard's felstorm counting as the summoned felguard's felstorm and putting certain abilities on cd which is not intended. Over all as a Lock main, i feel kinda robbed this go around and feel that blizzard needs to rethink their suppose buffs and stop nerfing peeps.. why not buff others or fix other mechanics and stop being the fun police lol :)
Soul keepers “buff” was a decimal point typo. One fixed. I didn't notice this was a thing.
Fixed an issue where Grimoire: Felguard affected the cooldown of Guillotine, Demonic Strength, and Felstorm.
Guillotine, Demonic Strength, and Felstorm now put each ability on cooldown for the appropriate amount of time.
You can’t continually buff specs. You have to nerf, if not you end up with mobs with4 billion health.
Affliction feels horrible… iv dropped soul swap. Who fixes a gcd traffic issue by adding an extra gcd
yeah it's awesome how they reworked eye and soulkeeper so bad that they make less dmg then before the rework
@@_Andael_ eye does okay damage if you can get it to proc…. Which you cant.
At this point I’m convinced they don’t have a mage dev at the company. The beta/alpha feedback on the tree was subpar. the trees leave no room for exploration or customization really. The two losing specs (Fire and Frost) get small buffs with no explanation. And it’s clear mage player want the class looked at and reworked some (cough kill RoP) but it’s been dead silence from Blizzard.
As a Frost Mage I totally agree.
I agree, somehow fire mage customization is dull. Even arcane mage has been looking better lately
The mage at blizzard used to be ghostcrawler but he long left for Riot game.
Welcome to the last 8 years playing Arcane Mage for me...I'm happy Arcane is top; although still annoyed that Supernova is STILL just a place holder talent that is rarely used anymore.
Completely agree with getting rid of RoP (as I have been saying that since legion) for something just as beneficial yet more 🤔 mobile.
Could be worse, at least your class is capable of being S+ Tier and is receiving buffs. Count your blessings tbh
REALLY love the format you all did for the class changes in the video!
Damn us Prot warriors not only can take incredible damage but we can dodge bullets!
Props to the prot warriors honestly. Those shields are really useful for stopping marksmanship’s shots indeed.
I’m just glad they didn’t got nerfed too hard, I actually have quite a bit of fun playing tank warrior.
Sitting here quietly as a Shadow Priest. Enjoying my Psychic Link changes. Nothing notable for Blizzard to look at
Would be nice if they forget about the change as the damage is pretty nuts
Started DF as a guardian and loved it, I was looking forward to the changes coming and to my dismay, they absolutely ruined it with the talent tree. The Druid class side is fine but god does the guardian tree feel bad now
My main was guardian with a main alt of MM Hunter. Both on the loser list. Feels bad man.
@@twotallsocks that is rough man, maybe BM will be good soon :)
@@christianb8901 Maybe I should focus on my (not-resto) shaman or warrior. It ultimately doesn’t matter for the level of content I play, just sucks to have things taken away or broken and feel like you’re losing something.
@@twotallsocks totally agree especially with the mage tower coming back I was pumped to grab felbear
@@twotallsocks MM hunter not that bad all around, BM hunter top tier single target with the bow
Bear druids got nerfed harder than prot warriors.
Blizz swung the nerf bat at warriors, warriors deflected and it hit bears :(
We still need buffs… not prob but wat in general mostly fury single target dmg
@@TRUEDJRI talking prot warrior vs guardian druid. Bear is the consensus weakest tank and it ain't close. Got a rework only to make things worse.
What can I say? Use a shield next time, land lover.
On a more serious note, that actually sucks for our bear friends. I want them to be viable tanks too, instead of having mostly prot wars. We need more good tanks for more tank diversity.
@@solarstorm5242 well right now the best bears are Brew master and prot warrior pandaran
@@ternel I don't disagree! I'm making a jab because fury needs a serous single target buff. they over buffed arms and barely helped fury....
my Ret can 1v1 Obsidian Citidel mobs pretty well, which makes doing my weeklies for the Black Dragonflight less reliant on assists, these buffs will do for now, though i do hope that they take a look at Ret soon, a really good look.
why bother with 1v1 when you can 1v30 with prot?
Arms got some massive buffs. Feels really good in mythic+ by now.
I'd look into resto shaman damage right now. The buffs to Master of the Elements and Acid Rain make your Acid Rain do some crazy damage.
Nice sarcasm... resto need looking into for anything other than buffs lol
@@alucard7218 Wasn't sarcasm though? Top resto shamans doing almost 100k dps on primal council.
Who else mains the ret pally.
me, and i dont mind being Mid tier, had my god time in Shadowlands.
About the warlock changes, destro is better at long AoE compared to Demo and is beating it in ST at least at higher ilvls. Affi is a mixed bag which feels bad but I'm pretty sure blizzard is still scared to buff it too much since legion existed
As an Aff main... it just doesn't feel great in M+ compared to Demo or Destro.
@@brownguyyash5295 yeah in mythic it doesn't feel good. But in raid it's great
They destroyed the main tree capstone abilities to the point that they're not worth taking.
@@brownguyyash5295 I got flamed so hard playing affliction in m+ I switched to demo
I’m happy my fury warrior got buffs ♥️
Me too, me too
I just wish SMF finally got baseline or Fury Warrior could transmog one-handers over the two-handers to at least visually hide the Clown Grip.
Blizzard: We buffed Fire and Frost Mage specs.
Also Blizzard: We haven't heard anything about people hating Rune of Power.
Welp…my bear druid is off to a cave to hibernate.
Same, felt stale so re rolled a dk and loving life
Afflict Locks needs A Lot of Love
What a wild world we live in where enhance is the shaman spec not being abandoned
Was playing enh all my life, but this enh specs i cant stand... I dont like any of them....
+ the fact that now warlock have ther last talent that deal 250 dmg per hit, its like we are still in bfa prepatch
If your talking about soulkeeper mine was hitting the group target dummies for 2.5k a tick and was doing about 15k dps by itself.
@@dadsgaminginc621 if at 10stack yes, if at one 250dmg wich is bfa prepatch dmg
Also one thing to mention about Guardian which isnt in the patch notes. They nerfect the Thrash/Mangle CD on Berserk from 100% to 50% so you can spam cast them like before. They didnt add that in the patch notes.
Yeah he said in the video
I have not said this about Arms warriors in a long time: Arms looks and feels very fun now.
What has really changed?
@@daethmer7834 hard to really describe what changed but basically they increased the duration of the debuffs arms applied and focused on doing damage with a reworked tree.
You SHOULD play what you WANT
"We're looking at Ret, please stop asking, kthx."
So we're back to the BC days of Ret iteration I see...
lol well we were OP last expac, so might be warranted.
It might be a nerf in a strict dps sense, but double tap felt really clunky imo. I would've preferred it be a weaker ability but not on GCD personally, but as someone who's playing a lot of her MM recently I'm cool with it just being gone.
Clunky? Are we playing the same spec? It fit in perfectly for a pre trueshot rotation.
@@leaflotus6726 ya i dont get the same feeling here it felt really good to play and in pvp was needed
I don't play MM in pvp so I can't speak to that, although from the receiving end it seemed pretty OP to be brought to deaths door if not outright killed by one aimed shot in BGs, but a GCD ability that does nothing on its own and only buffs your next use of one ability feels bad to me in the middle of a fight, idk what to tell you.
@@leaflotus6726 That was literally the only time it felt fine. It WAS clunky mid-fight since it was on the GCD. Obviously there was always a proper way to use it as you'd just press it right before rapid fire came off cooldown, but overall being on the GCD was definitely clunky apart from openers.
Thanks for reading the patch notes for me!
Resto Sham damage buffs are nice and all, but how about something to help our heal throughput though? A buff where we actually need it? We're still lacking hard. The amount of build up and riptide juggling needed to be able to cast very unsatisfactory heals feels bad.
Yes please 😭😭
blizz heard you, another 100% buff to acid rain it is
I just stop playing resto because all you have is Big Cd, without them you just cast 2s heal for 30k hp, while your tank in this time get 40-50k dmg.... Only playing resto on BG's
(Sighs in BM Hunter) I know they're not technically the worst, but seeing the buffs to other specs now, it's definitely going to force those who hate the style of MM hunter to play it if their raid leaders and M+ groups have sway over them. I like a BM hunter's freedom of movement and the idea of a pet classes, but seeing the new dps rankings of the BM hunter drop shows how Blizzard piecemealing these "balances" looks terrible for the bottom specs who wait too long changes (if any). There always has to be a bottom spec but the gap between top and bottom really makes gameplay unappealing and even makes players question competence on Blizzard's part as to why they can't do the math to fix burst and long term dps in expansions.
This is a thing that happens with every expansion, there's going to be big gaps between classes & specs. During bfa so around 2-3 years ago BM hunter and fire mage were majorly OP, but now they're both bottom specs. So it's expected that those top specs will be nerfed and bottoms buffed in the future. MM hunter has been consistent a very long time though, that's why I also like to play it. It's just those two extreme ends that usually get fixed
Hunters dps isnt the problem. Surviveability is
BM for life...and i dont have survivability issues. The people i was raiding with didnt have a problem with my dps and even if theybdid, too bad.
> tfw the literal autoplay class isn't the best spec for the 100th expac in a row
@@bellamorda9582 If you don't have survivability issues, it's likely you're not doing the level of content that would cause you to have survivability issues.
Resto druids should have been in the mixed bag section as well: The new talent isn't popular and the class tree redesign has caused A LOT of headaches. Also, Protector of the Pack is either nerfed or bugged, and either way it's now doing about 40% less than it used to, panning out to a huge nerf to resto damage output.
It might be affecting guardian as well as I saw regrowth healing go from 250k-500k down to 129k-180k when using protector + Dream. The nerf or bug puts guardian in the D tier. Insane how the worse performing tank gets bigger nerf than warrior. At least before it wasn’t 2 tiers behind the next tank. Hope it’s just a bug
My goal was legend in solo shuffle, after over 1000 games my DK was sitting on 2300 but after nerfs I dropped to 1600 so, in short, I uninstalled.
That's what you get playing a pve game to pvp
@@deusvult6920 actually I'm finally playing Elden Ring and actually enjoying my free time a lot more than I was with Wow.
Maining Resto Druid since DF launch! And I’ve been gearing up a MW monk, might flip mains next season
Shadow Priest is incredibly clunky right now. Especially for someone who prefers Mythic+. I'd honestly be happier if Shadow Crash landed on my target rather than a skillshot and mind sear wasn't a channeled spell but a dot that radiated off a single target or something. We already have void torrent, mind blast and mind flay that keeps our feet planted.
I don't think it's at red alert or anything - but I think the class design isn't keeping up with the fast pace nature of modern WoW content.
I agree with Shadow Crash being applied to target, and also I'd love to have the ability to move while using channeling spells.
@@michaelvittori8525 that would have a lot of implications for pvp, thats probably why theyre being careful with the changes they make
@@williamschlass6371 You're right about that. I'm sure they have the ability to make it only for pve.
I don’t do pvp so I can’t say much about that, but the constant movement makes it feel very clunky and unrewarding. Maybe instead of a talent that allows us movement while casting, maybe a talent that prevents forced movement? Dathea and Sennarth feel horrible to play as Shadow
@@Harrowing999 As shadow priests we definitely could use some technique to help counter the constant movement required especially in this expansion. Applying dots while moving isn't getting the job done. Being able to cast mind flay while moving for example, would make shadow priest game play a lot more fun, and feel incredibly liberating.
I'm leveling all my toons . So much fun
They buffed feral so hard that Rake now stun-locks your computer. Op pls nerf.
shadow changed a ton with just one talent change btw
Which one????
I'm a Havoc DH/Frost DK that just started a Shaman because I am so offended by teh Ret Pally issues. Yes, I am whining, and yes I know I misspelled "teh" in my previous sentence. Cheers!
So I leveled up my ret pally to 70 and now I'm in the gearing process. After the damage buffs, I'm not seeing the big issue here. I will say that they feel pretty squishy at times, so that's definitely an issue, but so far in dungeons I feel like my burst damage is fantastic. I'm not sure what all the fuss is about or why they're considered so bad? Maybe I'll have more to say once I start Mythics and Raids.
The nerfs to the burst is purely for PvP if you were to actually read the patch notes :)
@@EliteXx745 that's not what I was referring to exactly. I know people complain about the talent trees, damage, and survivability a lot. Wowhead has them rated at the bottom just above Survival Hunter. I'm saying I don't understand why they're believed to be in such a bad state. Maybe I'll see it more once I'm in higher content.
@@jmezo6656 i think they cant keep up with other classes in raids mostly. But a lot of specs are out of control.
MM Hunter feels REAAALLY bad. Back to BM main for everything. We had a fun start of the season with insane AOE burst RIP
I hope they do something with DK's
Frost needs some love.
This patch finally convinced me to swap from my 398 ilvl Guardian main and switch to Prot Pally.
As a Paladin main, I just hate Blizzard. That's it.
Destro is actually better than demo as it stands. At least by itself with no PI. Destro got a good handful of buffs in some class tuning patches beforehand and the 10.0.5 changes just added shadowburn to some of the talents which makes them a little better in PVP. Affliction is just sad. The changes they gave to them added a ton of bugs, reduced quality of life substantially (even though the developers said the intent was the complete opposite), and all they got was more ST with rapture, a spell most locks despise to this date, and 25% to harvester of souls. A 25% buff to that talent is like buffing the original acid rain for shamans by 25% instead of 150%, its meaningless and totally unimpactful. Not to mention the funny haha knee-jerk unironic 90% nerf to soulkeeper and that inquisitor's gaze also got a nerf because it procs the raid rings less now.
Amazing video! Helped me decide what to play when coming back to the game and get a little idea of what to expect. Would really appreciate timestamps for coming back to this video!
great video. Timestamps goes a long way...
The Ret buffs are nice but damage isn't the issue
The issue is everything procs at once. Constantly. The entire rotation is your screen flashing and you have to decide which flashing button to press. Many of these abilities share the same priority while Crusader Strike gets ignored.
Holy power constantly gets wasted due to this. You want to judgment before your TV, but often times you are capped.
*cries in protection pali*
Blizz should have just used the disclaimer "WoW has been redesigned". What an overhaul to a lot of classes! Almost a brand new game.
Man I tried to enjoy enhance in m+ and just got completely bodied in azure vault . So many things kill you at close range. When I’m ele/ranged dps there is minimal mechanics to worry about and fewer margins of error during dps rotations. Enh has a ton of aoe burst potential but they’re so damn squishy 😢 I give up on melee, too much effort for little reward. My brother plays BM hunter over WW monk and he doesn’t regret it a single bit 😅 forgiving rotations and easily avoid mechanics that otherwise destroy melee dps . Also has no issue with moving targets and hectic movement fights
its like, there are ways to avoid the damage being up close! Just got to know how to dance.
It’s not worth the effort, focus on dancing or rotation. I choose ranged dps less margin for error.
The radio silence on elemental makes me think they don't know how to fix it.
not a single note for dk's... DK the New Paladin!
Idk about solo survivability / gameplay, but I really enjoy maining the evoker this expansion nonetheless
they pretty squishy, but their Racials are a big help, just gotta be S-M-R-T, that's Strategically Moving in Real Time.
Frost needs a full rework because as soon as there is downtime, frost can’t recover because IV needs constant uptime. Also World of Swirlycraft is getting annoying, casters can’t cast while melee maybe have to move out for one mechanic but get right back into their rotation without missing a beat.
Where is the news for dks? you always leave them out...
I'm not very happy with what they've done with my MM hunter. Thanks Blizz
they did what they had to, one button was doing too much DPS, propelling it higher than the other specs, and it was broken in PVP, this was inevitable.
@AD M lol well of course they werent top, they could only burst someone down every 45 seconds, doesnt mean that it still wasnt broke as shit.
Mind blowing that you have never even mentioned frostdk
Holy pally needs a REWORK!!!
Kill glimmer please god I beg you.
I honestly forgot that monks had tank spec. Haha
Affliction is played in quite a few fights in raid as the best spec…
Still hoping to see some more changes to warlock tree and destro tree. Their damage is in a better spot at least for higher end m+ keys when things live for long enough. But their raid performance is pretty bad. I hope they can fix up the talent trees a bit
Aff in ST is actually pretty good, I tested it on Razageth and using the ST AOE hybrid build was pretty fun and the sustained damage was great.
@@RegencyYarl yeah ive noticed aff performing quite well in heroic raid actually so i might need to give it a shot. ive never tried aff and not sure if i would like the playstyle but ill try it out eventually. i reallllllly enjoy destro but for raid i might need to learn aff for at least a few fights because destro just downright sucks on some of the fights especially raz
I've been getting the dread touch bug in M plus for aff so not sure how it's doing. Been seeing the hybrid ST and AoE build but until dread touch works properly it's hard to know how good it is. Also it's hard to compete with the on demand cleave of demo as well as the shorter cooldowns in M plus. Havnt got to use affliction in raid yet, but I'm excited to give it a try
Aff has good ST for raids... but suffers in M+. They need a significant bump for their AoE potential.
I hope my boomie will be OK, havnt seen her since WoD.
as a ret paly main i can say im happy with how much damage it does. im 389 itemlevel and can brust 134k and stay at about 80k overall. so any changes we get im happy to have them lol i top charts in most my groups for M+ in less its a rogue lol
I personally don't play mistweaver because every single healing spell looks exactly the same on my bar lol
Hide your bar.
Quit out of boredom. Was having fun in arena with MM hunter but after the nerf im kinda done for now
Frost single target def comp with if not better than arcane now(check mythic terros logs) you can play it on pretty much every raid boss except Dath/Rasz and do just as much dmg.
Tenno Five. After MM nerfs and the state of Frost Mages, I might get back to Warframe. 😂
So nice to see that the beta issues are been addressed before the game is ready to launch!!!!
Right? If Blizzard keeps fixing these issues and stops breaking specs (sorry, Guardians), then WoW should be in a good state when Dragonflight launches.
@@Maria_Erias get a motel room you two.
Im a butt hurt frost DK sitting mid overall. Seeing a monk tank be in front of me at multi-target inital dps last night devastated my Frost DK ego.
Not trying to bully, but if that’s the case, something is wrong with your rotation :/
@@julio4494 Trust, I second-guessed myself multiple times, changed talents to recommend between sindra/obliterate, etc. The numbers were still the same even with rotation optimization on top of rotation highlight addons to reassure. I ain't the only one suffering :/ *reiterating multiple target on initial opening
@@julio4494 It's not a rotation problem bud. The spec is in a bad place and has been
God I get that. Seeing a tank or a healer doing more aoe than you always sucks. I wish for frost to get better. It’s a pretty fun specs, and it needs help atm.
@@solarstorm5242 Yeah, it's been some time since the spec was last seen on the higher end of the spectrum for overall DPS.
As a mage main, I was hoping for a bit more on frost. I love Arcane, always have, but Mages always seem to suffer from the whole "one spec is better than the others" syndrome. At least this time it's Arcane, instead of being juggled between Frost and Fire.
As a Mage main i can relate but ever played Fire, and the pasta years weee great. Now a bit of struggle but still worth!
There's a feeling of one being better because with a pure dps class that is all ranged or all melee, they have the purpose and therefore naturally compete with one another. Rogue is another good example. Hunter's 2 ranged specs have always been compared. Priest disc is always competing with Holy on who's better as a healer (whether its Hps throughput or if ability to heal + damage efficiently)
Every class seems to run into this issue but mages get the carousel more
@@Nickazur my Mage pops so many Pyros without even the need to Combust, i very much like not having my burst tied to a GCD.
It's true that the three specs tend to compete more than compliment, but IMO mage is in the best place it's been for a good while. All three specs are competitive, there are no weird borrowed powers or legendaries to juggle and unlike previous expansions you don't have to hard stack different secondaries for the different specs. I used to alt mage for those reasons but it's my main for DF - I play all three specs in all content and it's honestly the most fun I've ever had with a class in WoW.
And honestly, unless you are a *very* elite player who can really squeeze arcane for its peak value, all three specs are now performing about the same. I'd actually say frost is easily the best for most players most of the time (even pre-buff that was probably the case and now it definitely is).
Rake crash was fixed about 16-20 hours ago, ferals are fine :)
Marksmanship Hunter got done so dirty. They didn't need to get rid of Double Tap at all.
I might main a Survival Hunter. Having a blast with him.
Same leveling my in warmode having a blast
Having a blast...I see what you did there...
Mained survival since legion. I like where they're at right now. Been doing solo shuffles, and I feel like batman with my utility belt. Good for every situation (PvP wise, I don't play PvE)
Thanks for listing the classes in alphabetical order...
RIP MM hunter
Bel whats the addon you're using that shows a timed circle reticle over your cursor? Looks like it really helps with tracking its location which is something I need
Definitely happy about the resto druid single target heals buff!!
The Fan the Hammer nerf isn't deserved. Sure, nerf the damage I'm fine with that, but with this nerf the playstyle is soooo much worse.
I played some +16-18's and it's just not fun for me. I'm outlaw one-trick since legion but I honnestly considering to try something else even though I don't want to.
Blizzard is only happy when everyone is playing sub.
@@Sacdaddicus Huh? This is a wild take.
I know right? Having to weave in another sinister strike/ambush after fanning the hammer feels horrible to play. Might try playing around with echoing reprimand and keep it rolling to see if it feels better than the ambush spam spec now.
If that still feels off i might just roll sub for m+ since assa still has a playstyle i dont much enjoy in multi target
If solo shuffle was every 10 minutes I'd love it
I’m in a wierd spot where I play my evoker and top dps a lot then I hop on my dk and I feel like I’m scratching the surface I’ve rarely run into other dks doing big dps and when I do they usually are way over geared then me
This about DKs
Because Blizz doesn't give a shit about DK's sadly
Having the hardest time with Dk dps and can't figure out why 😭
lol what. I'm a UH DK main, we're doing just fine, actually we're doing great in most content. M+ only feels bad with small pulls, but in raid i'm top dps no matter what the pull is. Context of my opinion, 2600 io and 2/8M. I'm probably overgeared to say the least but don't give up on DK. Blizzard isnt touching us because we genuinely don't need it
Uh dk is doing just fine on ST and M+, frost on the other hand is extremely reliant on BoS uptime, so their effectivness in M+ is extremely reliant on if your tank is chain pulling or not, it also depends on which dungeon youre talking about. Same could be said about ST but its infinitely easier to upkeep BoS for 2+ minutes on raid encounters and have near constant uptime which makes them solid on ST (obviously unless you screw up and cut your breath short)
Mages overall feel weird to play. (But i am not maining frost and fire so i will not try to judge the current situation) Arcane is not a "Switch and kill all Spec" that some say. It is incredible finicky to play ATM where you can go from 60 k dps to 30k just because of unlucky crit/proc happenings. One of the mayor things to look at is "Rune of Power": The visuals are FAR smaller then the area, the Cast time is incredible annoying and it is nearly a MUST pick. Its alternative gives around 12% damage boost and is hardly timeable with buffs. RoP gives around 24% more power if you just cast both triggers on cool down and gets even FAR better if you time it with lust and the other buffs. I would really like to see them buff the shifting power to 14-30 from 4-20 with a slower shift so we can actually work with it as an ALTERNATIVE.
guardian feels like absolute shit to me now
The Sin rogue changes are NOT good, really wish people would do their research before peddling this rubbish. They have essentially added a new capstone (Arterial Precision) that you don't take in AoE or Single because it reduces single target by roughly 10%, and have also killed the Kingsbane build by making it a choice node with Dragon Tempered Blades, as it's almost always a DPS downgrade too. It's massively reduced choices in talent selection and hasn't fixed the issue with swapping between AoE and ST, meaning you will still have to heavily index into one or the other. It didn't do anything to people running DTB but it nerfed our other choices which sucks
I shed a tear for my offspec. Rip survival hunter
I'm still trucking along with Survival Hunter! Lol, it's going alright. Gonna try to work on KSM more this weekend with my guildies
To balance out the mages, the frost/fire buff prolly nearly had to be 10-15% or arcane slightly nerfed
bm hunter still mediocre but that's apparently where blizz wants it to be every xp
So happy they balanced brewmaster more. It feels sooooo much better
u know that meme about wod "might finish later if we have the resources"
that meme applies to every palent talent tree in dragonflight
bellular please cover the mac outage, blizzard screwed up the patch so hard none of us have logged in to 10.0.5 yet.
I also have pvp maining a gimped ret paladin to look forward to whenever the game can finally launch. I unsubbed over both issues, they have 3.5 weeks to win me back.
I did a +17 with a brewmaster yesterday who was casually pulling 60k dps overall.
Ironic, because I've improved my overall SPriest dps in dungeons by like 25-40% with the new changes and their implications and they weren't even mentioned :D
I am not a fan of the mist generation and buff ability of mistweavers. The cast time is long and annoying, does not suit my fistweaving style. And its so strong its a must have pick. Third thing is that the choice that we are presented that connects to the ability is like no choice. On one side, you have more cloud generation = just more heal. On the other, you have massive buffs for up to 30 seconds.
I KEEP PUSHING BUTTONS FOR MY RET PALADIN, BUT NOTHING HAPPENS!