Given that *No-one(including those that met the man)*”knew” Mr.Gurdjieff On the basis of what direct immediate personal experience do you , [that have never met anyone that had met anyone that had ever met Giorgivanic] (for whatever queer reason) suggest that Giorgivanic was (whatever you mean by) the " greatest" anything? Do you see that it is people like you that not only never met Mr. Gurdjief, but also have never met anyone who had met anyone that*had* met Giorgivanic, that threaten to turn what are called " the ideas" into just another fcuking religion? Giorgivanic was - it seems, the source of a tradition which is not only about to die out like christianity, but must also necessarily die out with the death of the last pupil of a pupil of Giorgivanic himself. First you read the entire series of books comprising All and Everything" and then and *Only_then* start expressing purely subjective and relative opinions, about a man about whom you can only possibly *Guess*. It *may* be that those who are in a better position than you to express any opinion about the man, have come to have had experiences vaguely approximating impartial love for a man that they never met, would say that you read each and every book in the series, and then and*Only_then* express purely subjective and relative opinions of a man you not only neve met, but also have not taken the trouble to read the books which seemingly it took his last reserves of energy to write the required three times, which has taken the writer(who has indeed met someone-in fact more than one that actually met Giorgivanic) - which signifies nothing very much and is no more than accidental) nearly all of seventy years. Told bollox osuch as "the greatest and mystic Man of the century, " Giorgivanic would - the writer would venture to suposse, would have roared with laughter and said something that your *actual master*-one or another of the functions would not have liked one little bit. You read beelzebub ey al. the required three times and then and*Only* then, start bleating a man you never met, but *Can* meet by reading the books on which he pinned all his hopes. Tlk is cheap, and the *only* word the writer can find that could apply to Beelzebub is *magic*, but it takes a lot more than a bit of magic before you can say that you have begun to be able to begin to become *yourself*(whatever the fcuk that means) whereupon god and the devil don't matter. Notwithstanding the above drivel, the ideas areabout as much use a a chocolate teapot to one that has no *Aim and the truth f the matter is that you*Have* no aim or certainly no aim that is our god and search though you may for your aim, as Mrs. Stavely woul puy it" you will not find your aim by using the heas -or asone xhap might have put it, man does not live by head alone. "Mystic master" my arse! Exactly *How_many* "masters" of *any* kind have you met? Yeah, right. When an *Only when you have read Beelzebub at the very *least* ten times, can you start more of your endless about_ing on the matter of Giorgivanic. Do yourself a huge favour and forget *all_about* the ideas of Giorgivanic, because they will only engender the reaction*dislike in your boss or master, and and they have broke bigger and better hearts than yours, because they touch upon that which your boss or master(and which of the functions is that?) simply *cannot* abide, and what do you suppose *that* is You have not read Beelzebub *Once*, have you? It is clearly intended to be a asoet id shibboleth or test, but it is not asif there is a boy scouts' have-read-Beelzebub badge. In her book " memoires of Gurdjieff Mrs. Staveley speaks of a group of being of the passive sex reading Beelzebub during the war when the air-raid sirens went off, and she and another woman suggested that they all move to the basement, whereupon a young woman to whom my heart goes out, said:"But surely nothing bad can happen to us while we are reading Beelzebub." In her book S says that she related that to Giorgivanic who roared with laughter and said: " Very great superstition..... ... But perfectly true" "Ekh, Brother! Here on the Earth if you speak the truth you’re a great fool, whereas if you wriggle with your soul you are only a “scoundrel,” although also a big one. So it is best of all to do nothing, but just recline on your divan and learn to sing like the sparrow that had not yet turned into an American canary." Which are you? Fool or scoundrel? the writer has already reserved scoundrel to himself, leaving...? Is or are there any surviving remnants of the traditon started by Giorgivanic? No, but (and beware this) there are plenty that*claim* to be just that are not the monkey business or frauds and charlatans. The question is who is dipping his bread in the Gurdjieff gravy and to feed what? When one poor dolt was asked why he was as -is-said" in.... the.. work", he relied : "Old man river - tired of livin and scared of dying", the which demonstrated that he was a complete dolt because it is asinine to suppose that what-is-*called*" the work" addresses neither of those matters.. To be blunt, when it comes to the ideas of Giorgivanic, *Either*you read Beelzebub the required three times, *Or* you shut...... the.... fcuk... up, but to thr dvil with that, foget all about it unless and until you ind(having searched for a long time.... .... your ....... *Aim*.. Other than with the head. As far as *aim*goes, it may or may not be there hiding longingly, or like sleeping beauty, awaiting your kiss.. It may be found, but*Only* in perfect wordles silence Will there come a time when you canset out your aim *In_words*, and wilthat do you the least good?...... ...... ..... No. Any fool can spend a lifetime searching for a dimamon question, but not any fool can*Remain* silent and attentive with that hydrogen interest In_front of such a diamond question(and what kind of pretentious bullshit is*that*?) without turning it into the corpse of a question or an answer that boils down to I-know-*Aaaall*- about that? The trouble with all that bullshit about " masters" is that it is like Welsh mountain sheep - underneath all that wool is nothing but skin and bones. The day that you can*formulate* your aim is like the treasure buried in the ground on an island that- any fool- can-find in an ocean that any fool can find as to which I can tell you if.. you.. wish, or are stupefied enough to ask. " Master", my Arse! The idea that the dreaming machine that is the writer*understands* *Anything* very much is absurd but the tiny amount tat he -perhaps , understands, he could not even have*begun* to have understood without the ideas of Giorgivanic. There is as-much-as-you-please of words-about -words on the subject of the ideas of Giorgivanic, and books and books and even books*about* books about them, but.. -*-perhaps, you will-** by chance, bump into something in relation to them that can scratch where you itch, but all that bulshit about"masters" will scratch no itches and feed *Nothing* Don't *talk*.... *Read* Beelzebub. It is not just astonishing, it is wonderfully funny
45:35 Here's where Salzmann's direction of the Gurdjieff work fails. She right in what she is saying . . . but wrong in how she is saying it. There's no "energy" in the Gurdjieff teaching (asssuming the translation is correct). So by using that phrase she is disconnecting the various pieces of the teaching, _all_ of which together are necessary to understand what's going on. Here, she should stick with the terminology of "higher bodies" or "higher centres" to explain what unifying factor is missing . . .
Hello Mr. John A. It would be lovely if there will be also the names of the persons with the undertiteling. To find further literature and information, if so!
Hi the 3rd part contains people who are still alive and so it is unlikely to be published. The main parts are 1 and 2. Part 3 covers the work of people in order to continue G's teaching.
Part 1 of a trilogy of films made by Jean-Claude Lubtchansky with Michel de Salzmann under the title "The Seekers of Truth." ruclips.net/video/6eXZScF26Dc/видео.htmlsi=y6u6bAIz3SEF4So Note: Part 3 may not yet be available according to J. See above posts.
Part 1 of a trilogy of films made by Jean-Claude Lubtchansky with Michel de Salzmann under the title "The Seekers of Truth." ruclips.net/video/6eXZScF26Dc/видео.htmlsi=y6u6bAIz3SEF4So
@markusrose9667 I can't see anybody wanting to publish it as it basically shows the efforts of contemporaries who are trying to put the teaching into practice.
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One of the greattest and mystic Man of the century, thank you...
Given that *No-one(including those that met the man)*”knew” Mr.Gurdjieff
On the basis of what direct immediate personal experience do you , [that have never met anyone that had met anyone that had ever met Giorgivanic] (for whatever queer reason) suggest that Giorgivanic was (whatever you mean by) the " greatest" anything?
Do you see that it is people like you that not only never met Mr. Gurdjief, but also have never met anyone who had met anyone that*had* met Giorgivanic, that threaten to turn what are called " the ideas" into just another fcuking religion?
Giorgivanic was - it seems, the source of a tradition which is not only about to die out like christianity, but must also necessarily die out with the death of the last pupil of a pupil of Giorgivanic himself.
First you read the entire series of books comprising All and Everything" and then and *Only_then* start expressing purely subjective and relative opinions, about a man about whom you can only possibly *Guess*.
It *may* be that those who are in a better position than you to express any opinion about the man, have come to have had experiences vaguely approximating impartial love for a man that they never met, would say that you read each and every book in the series, and then and*Only_then* express purely subjective and relative opinions of a man you not only neve met, but also have not taken the trouble to read the books which seemingly it took his last reserves of energy to write the required three times, which has taken the writer(who has indeed met someone-in fact more than one that actually met Giorgivanic) - which signifies nothing very much and is no more than accidental) nearly all of seventy years.
Told bollox osuch as "the greatest and mystic Man of the century, " Giorgivanic would - the writer would venture to suposse, would have roared with laughter and said something that your *actual master*-one or another of the functions would not have liked one little bit.
You read beelzebub ey al. the required three times and then and*Only* then, start bleating a man you never met, but *Can* meet by reading the books on which he pinned all his hopes.
Tlk is cheap, and the *only* word the writer can find that could apply to Beelzebub is *magic*, but it takes a lot more than a bit of magic before you can say that you have begun to be able to begin to become *yourself*(whatever the fcuk that means) whereupon god and the devil don't matter.
Notwithstanding the above drivel, the ideas areabout as much use a a chocolate teapot to one that has no *Aim and the truth f the matter is that you*Have* no aim or certainly no aim that is our god and search though you may for your aim, as Mrs. Stavely woul puy it" you will not find your aim by using the heas -or asone xhap might have put it, man does not live by head alone.
"Mystic master" my arse!
Exactly *How_many* "masters" of *any* kind have you met?
Yeah,
right.
When an *Only when you have read Beelzebub at the very *least* ten times, can you start more of your endless about_ing on the matter of Giorgivanic.
Do yourself a huge favour and forget *all_about* the ideas of Giorgivanic, because they will only engender the reaction*dislike in your boss or master, and and they have broke bigger and better hearts than yours, because they touch upon that which your boss or master(and which of the functions is that?) simply *cannot* abide, and what do you suppose *that* is
You have not read Beelzebub *Once*, have you? It is clearly intended to be a asoet id shibboleth or test, but it is not asif there is a boy scouts' have-read-Beelzebub badge.
In her book " memoires of Gurdjieff Mrs. Staveley speaks of a group of being of the passive sex reading Beelzebub during the war when the air-raid sirens went off, and she and another woman suggested that they all move to the basement, whereupon a young woman to whom my heart goes out, said:"But surely nothing bad can happen to us while we are reading Beelzebub."
In her book S says that she related that to Giorgivanic who roared with laughter and said: " Very great superstition.....
... But perfectly true"
"Ekh, Brother! Here on the Earth if you speak the truth you’re a great fool, whereas if you wriggle with your
soul you are only a “scoundrel,” although also a big one. So it is best of all to do nothing, but just recline on your divan and learn to sing like the sparrow that had not yet
turned into an American canary."
Which are you? Fool or scoundrel?
the writer has already reserved scoundrel to himself, leaving...?
Is or are there any surviving remnants of the traditon started by Giorgivanic?
No, but (and beware this) there are plenty that*claim* to be just that are not the monkey business or frauds and charlatans.
The question is who is dipping his bread in the Gurdjieff gravy and to feed what?
When one poor dolt was asked why he was as -is-said" in.... the.. work", he relied : "Old man river - tired of livin and scared of dying", the which demonstrated that he was a complete dolt because it is asinine to suppose that what-is-*called*" the work" addresses neither of those matters..
To be blunt, when it comes to the ideas of Giorgivanic, *Either*you read Beelzebub the required three times, *Or* you shut...... the.... fcuk... up, but to thr dvil with that, foget all about it unless and until you ind(having searched for a long time....
.... your
....... *Aim*.. Other than with the head.
As far as *aim*goes, it may or may not be there hiding longingly, or like sleeping beauty, awaiting your kiss..
It may be found, but*Only* in perfect wordles silence
Will there come a time when you canset out your aim *In_words*, and wilthat do you the least good?......
......
..... No.
Any fool can spend a lifetime searching for a dimamon question, but not any fool can*Remain* silent and attentive with that hydrogen interest In_front of such a diamond question(and what kind of pretentious bullshit is*that*?) without turning it into the corpse of a question or an answer that boils down to I-know-*Aaaall*- about that?
The trouble with all that bullshit about " masters" is that it is like Welsh mountain sheep - underneath all that wool is nothing but skin and bones.
The day that you can*formulate* your aim is like the treasure buried in the ground on an island that- any fool- can-find in an ocean that any fool can find as to which I can tell you if.. you.. wish, or are stupefied enough to ask.
" Master", my Arse!
The idea that the dreaming machine that is the writer*understands* *Anything* very much is absurd but the tiny amount tat he -perhaps , understands, he could not even have*begun* to have understood without the ideas of Giorgivanic.
There is as-much-as-you-please of words-about -words on the subject of the ideas of Giorgivanic, and books and books and even books*about* books about them, but.. -*-perhaps, you will-** by chance, bump into something in relation to them that can scratch where you itch, but all that bulshit about"masters" will scratch no itches and feed *Nothing*
Don't *talk*.... *Read* Beelzebub. It is not just astonishing, it is wonderfully funny
Thank you!
0:05 master G , live forever in my heart
Gratorid infinita🙏
Great master still so actual ❤
45:35 Here's where Salzmann's direction of the Gurdjieff work fails. She right in what she is saying . . . but wrong in how she is saying it. There's no "energy" in the Gurdjieff teaching (asssuming the translation is correct). So by using that phrase she is disconnecting the various pieces of the teaching, _all_ of which together are necessary to understand what's going on. Here, she should stick with the terminology of "higher bodies" or "higher centres" to explain what unifying factor is missing . . .
Master G ❤
Hello Mr. John A. It would be lovely if there will be also the names of the persons with the undertiteling. To find further literature and information, if so!
When I get time I will add their names.
Where is part 3
It would be helpful, interesting and enjoyable to show the names of the witnesses as they speak.
Hi You are right. When I get time I will add their names and timings in the description.
@@JohnA- i think there is a choice when viewing from the disc..to have the names..as there is a choice of language as well.
Which is the name of the 3rd part? Can we search it somewhere else or to buy it?
Hi the 3rd part contains people who are still alive and so it is unlikely to be published. The main parts are 1 and 2. Part 3 covers the work of people in order to continue G's teaching.
This is wonderful! How can I find Part 1?
It's the other video with Armenian sub-titles
Part 1 of a trilogy of films made by Jean-Claude Lubtchansky with Michel de Salzmann under the title "The Seekers of Truth."
ruclips.net/video/6eXZScF26Dc/видео.htmlsi=y6u6bAIz3SEF4So
Note: Part 3 may not yet be available according to J. See above posts.
is there a link to part 1?
yes please see the "Gurdjieff in Armenia" film which is part 1
Part 1 of a trilogy of films made by Jean-Claude Lubtchansky with Michel de Salzmann under the title "The Seekers of Truth."
ruclips.net/video/6eXZScF26Dc/видео.htmlsi=y6u6bAIz3SEF4So
Thank you. Much appreciated. I hope eventually you or someone else can post the third part (is it out?)
The 3rd part contains people who are still alive and so it would not be right for me to publish material without their consent.
@@JohnA- thank you I understand. I take it it will never be available publicly?
@markusrose9667 I can't see anybody wanting to publish it as it basically shows the efforts of contemporaries who are trying to put the teaching into practice.
There is a copyright issue here and you need to remove the video straight away or RUclips legal will be notified. Thank you.
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