Hexacopter Tarot FY 680 Heavy lift test and Crash
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024
- I wanted to test my new hexacopter with heavy load. When equipped with BL gimbal, Sony Nex5 and video link, that should be around 1 kg of extra load. So test with 1.5 kg load gives me 500 g reserve.
Flies great, except I don't hear low voltage beeper and crashed it in the end, so next time I turned the Naza Voltage Monitor back on, since visual signalization works better for me. Also, Naza limits the throttle when voltage drops so I can also "feel" it loses energy and it's time to land.
Specification:
Tarot FY680 carbon fiber frame
Naza + GPS
HobbyKing F-30A ESCs with SimonK FW
www.hobbyking.c...
Turnigy 4822-690 kV motors
12x3,8 carbon fiber propellers
Battery 4S 7750 mAh (4500 + 3250 in parallel)
AUW without load: 2.6 kg (hexa with batteries)
Load: 1.5 kg (1.5 l of water in bottle)
----------------------------
Total weight 4.1 kg
Flight time: approx. 9:30
Damn!!!! That thing is a Tank. After viewing your video, I have made up my mind. I am going to build this setup this winter. Thanks for posting this video.
Looks like a beast, I am glad that nothing was broken after that crash :)
Thanks! yes, I was also glad nothing got broken. Luckily it fell on the belly where the bottle was placed, so it just bounced and flipped over :)
Alek B - happend one time to me, too... I had a realy hard crash and all was ok... And a while later someting just felt from the table and went into 1000 pcs ;)
Your 4.1kg AUW is somewhat inspiring for me!. My FY680 Pro is almost ready for her maiden flight with around 4.8 kg AUW!!... I doubt very much whether she will be able to take off at all with that much weight! My complete setup is :
FY690 Pro CF frame with Retractable Landing Gear, Naza-M V2 Controller, Lawmate 1.2 GHz 1000mW FPV, Eagle Tree OSD Pro, FUTABA R6208SB Rx, DYS 3-Axis Gimbal and Canon EOS M with 22mm f/1.2 Lens, Tarot 4006 620kv Motors, Hobbywing 40A ESC, 1355 CF Props,10,000 mAh 4S Battery.
4.8 kg sounds like a bit too much for this frame. I never exceeded 4.1 kg, in fact the full setup with Sony Nex 5N, BL gimbal, video link and 2x5000 mAh 4S lipos the AUW is 3.8 kg and it flies great.
Tks Alek. I don't worry much about the 4.8kg AUW for now. There's extra weight that I can shred out. This includes 1011gm of the 10,000mAh Lipo , 780gm of DYS 3-axis gimbal, 367gm of EOS M + 22mm lens. I may end up with a full CF 3-axis gimbal + GH3+ BE, 1 x 5000 mAh Lipo. :)
This is great. Thank you for sharing.
You're welcome! I am glad it helps!
Sujil, that sounds great! My hexa can fly over 17 minutes, but without heavy load. I already tested with Nex 5N and gimbal and I can get 10 safe minutes with 2x4500 mAh 4S batteries.
FY 680 is best for middle sized cameras maximum. It can carry up to "Nex-sized" cameras or small handy cams. If you need to carry something bigger like DLSR definitely go for some bigger rig. I am happy with FY 680 for its price.
Jorge, that really sucks! I think I am going to use zip-ties before the flight to avoid folding arms in mid-flight. There are plastic clamps by ATG that allow the arms to be secured and prevent from folding. I recommend to upgrade.
I use removable zi ties also known as Cable Ties... and it stop those arms from folding up. Also found screws for arms must be stuck properly with thread lock as they will come out by themselves with the vibration otherwise.
Basic Pitch/Roll: 170, Yaw 120, Vertical 170
Attitude Gain: 150
It can wobble when it's not loaded. If you add weight, like camera, gimbal etc then it won't wobble anymore.
1. I agree on battery capacity issue. But the main problem was I did not hear the voltage alarm. If I heard it I would land earlier. I actually knew the battery was nearly empty that is why I hovered near to me to hear the alarm but it was too late...
2. I disagree on partially full bottle. The bottle was totally full. No problem there.
Those were my findings based on my own experiences. Also, if possible, avoid plastic props because they add to wobbling problem since they are also flexible. The best is to use carbon fiber or wooden props (as stiff as possible).
I now have carbon brushless gimbal and Nex 5N with 16 mm pancake lens. The whole weight is 2600 g (hexa+lipos) + 700 g (gimbal + Nex) = 3300 g. There will be some small additions yet: HDMI to AV converter and video transmitter, not more than 50 grams extra.
Thanks Alek everything is good now you're right looks like it needs to be heavier.
Hi Mr Alek very nice flight,I am also flying tarot Quadcopter.My flight time is hovering 17 min.And i flight only 10 min for safty(1st try is new battery with 17 min)
TarotFY650 Quadcopter frame
Foxtech 4822 390kv
Hobby king 40 amp esc
15.55 carbon fiber (s800) pop
Rc timer brushless gimbal and board
Hk 900mhz 1.5 watt transmitter
Dji naza flight control with out gps
Hk Zippy compact 5s 4000mah 25c battery
Hk zippy 2200mah for transmitter and gimbal
Gopro 3hero black
Speaktrum DX 8
I think yes, but that's about its limit. There are bigger Tarot frames but I think those are for heavier DSLR cameras. I fly it with 2x4500 4S, I have lighter gimbal and no retracts.
FY 690 is the same except it has differen motor mounts that make the arms a little longer. That enables you to use bigger props, on FY680 you can fit only 13 inch props max. Sony Nex5N+16mm pancake lens weighs 326 g. For your setup (quite heavier than mine) you need powerful motors, if you go with FY690 you have more chioce on motors and you can go for 5S or 6S setup with 15 - 16 inch props to make it very efficient.
So nice of you to help with cutting the grass in that field lol.
... I do that for them for free :D
Sure you can, but the total lifting power will be less. With 12x3.8 prop I believe the max thrust is around 1.1 kg on 3S and 1.8 kg on 4S. But these motors can spin 13x4 prop so you could try to use those on 3S and still get a lot of lift. I did not use 13" props, so I can't really tell but I believe it will be good enough even for Nex sized cameras to carry.
Thank you for your advise. I learned that already :) Fortunately, it was just a test and the crash was not serious.
Thanks! I have basic gains at 170, vertical 150, atti gains 135
You should never fly parallel battery packs that aren't matching capacity. You will dangerously discharge the smaller pack before getting a voltage warning!
Ya I have the Carbon props, yesterday shoots was over the water...holy shit after I landed found out 1 of the arm bar was loose and just fell right off ... wowww. What UAV do you fly now Alek ?
Hi Alek. I'm on the verge of stepping over (from a Phantom) to a bigger platform with a longer flight time. Would you recommend this FY680 ? What about the T810 ? Did you have a chance to compare with anyone around you ? thx. Phil
Without camera, gimbal and FPV electronics and the same battery 7750 mAh I flew 17 minutes. AUW is 2600 g.
No, it does not. Naza "likes" bigger load, so when I fly bare frame, than it's a bit wobbly, but when I add more batteries or AV equipment then it flies great, it decents straight, no big wobbles. And that is what this hexa is intended for AV/AP.
Does your Naza have problem during decent, like wobbles? Would you recommend this tarot frame?
Hey Alek,
Thank you very much for describing your setup.
I would like to ask,
What does the frame weigh? I never found that anywhere.
Do you have any experience with the 690s? I would like to know the difference between that and the 680.
Rough calculations put me at around 1.6kg-1.7kg
3 Axis Gimbal 700g
Nex5n 300g-350g inc battery
16mm Nex5 100g
Landing gear 150-200g
Retracts 120g
FC, GPS, 200g
What would you recommend?
Hey there Great configuration!!
I wanted to know... when connecting two 2 cell batteries in parallel do they have to have the same c's?
Ooo and where did you got your props from?
Thanks!
isnt it a mega no-no to put different capacity batteries in parallel!
Yeah, I now know. I did not have other batteries back then...
hello my friend i use the same motor but with different propeller i have a hexa with 4.8 kgr and 10.000 4s and i fly near 12:30...
Congrats! Great flying time. The batteries at that time I had were not so good and capacity was something over 7000 mAh. With good 10 Ah batteries I surely fly a lot longer.
Change the propeller to 1455..me i have apc 1455 MR and fly more now i put and 3rd axis to my gimbal for nex 5
Tasosmanolidis T aerial Sounds great! Thanks for your advise!
Hello, very nice. That gain setting???
Hi Alek please help me please.... Im doing some event tomorrow and I really need your gains in Naza if that is possible for your to share it right now..I just got it working and flying but it seems to be wobbling when turning yawning left and right.
Alek B can I use 3S battery for this and can still do some lifting ? Thanks so much for sharing man.
awesome video! have you had any issues with your ESC and sync skipping? Im planning on getting the same motors and pretty much the same setup but all the reviews iv been reading about simonk ESC and low kV high pole pancake motors have really gotten me flustered on whether or not im making the right decision! thanks for the reply in adv.
No, I have not had any issues with simonK. But I've had issues with Multistars motors. I would recommend better use equivalent SunnySky motors 700 kV pancake motors. Multistars are ok, but after some time the windings started to crack from microvibrations and that made the motor to have some hickups. Also, Multistars have some whinning sound at some RPMs, which I disliked quote a lot.
Alek B what are some good batteries you rrecommend for 4s.
vishal chan I used 2 x 4500 4S nanotechs. It was flying 14 minutes with full equipment (BL gimbal, SOny Nex 5N, video link). AUW was 3.8 kg.
Is this frame good enough to carry all that?
It would be great if I can have around 10 mins of flight time. So let's say 2 X 4s 5000mah = 1kg or there abouts...
Hello
Sorry if I ask questions but since you've already done and tried the tarot fy 680, let me ask you the information you think engines with HP2814 - 810Kv, measuring propeller could go well and you can tell me some website where you can find the propellers carbon fiber at good price?
Thank you for your effective advice.
HP2814 - 810Kv could work ok on 4S and 10x4,7 props, as per specs. 1500 g lift is quote ok for FY680. As far as I know the cheapest carbon props are offered by rctimer.
What is difference between this and Tarot 690s?
I believe the size mainly. 680 stands for diameter of 680 mm, or the span, if you like. So 690 is a little bigger so you could use bigger props. 12" are biggest on 680, you could go for 13" on 690, I believe.
@@AlekB Thanks
Hello alek! First of all thanks for sharing this vid! Any tips you'd like to share with a similar build? Like whats a good setup to lift sony a7r with gimbal, about 1.3 kg
Clyde Gonzales I believe for 1.3 - 1.5 kg load you'd better go for bigger hexa, like Tarot T810, here is some build log diydrones.com/profiles/blogs/tarot-t810-build-log
FY 680 I believe is better used under 1 kg payload. I tested it with 1.5 kg but that was just a test if there is enough reserve of power and strength.
Not bad. At least it didn't fall from hundreds of feet of altitude. Could have been worse.
It would not happen, I knew the battery was nearly depleted and I was about to land. But using OSD to watch the battery is a good tool and also enable low voltage protection in Naza. This was just a test and I learned from it. Thank you for your comment!
2 huge mistakes: 1. using 2 different batteries. 2. using a partially full bottle of water which destabilizes the frame
I first used 12x4.5 carbon props from rctimer, now I am using Tarot 12x3.8 carbon props that I bought from moonhobby com
No problem! :)
My build Tarot 680 Pro crashed with EKF error, any solution for it? Can you share your parameters please?
I am sorry, I do not have it anymore, it's been 7 years since then... All setup parameters are in the video description, if that helps.
skusal si uz aj ine vrtule? napr 12x55 ? alebo 13x55? ake su najviac efektivne na tieto 690kv motori?dik
Na 4S su najefektivnejsie 12x3.8. Na 3S asi nejake 13-palcove, predpokladam ze 13x4 alebo take nejake...
este posledna otazocka :-) nevies ktora verzia simonk je najlepsia na nacasovanie 22 polovych motorou a slape najlepsie?dik
Do regulatora musis dat taku verziu, ktora je skompilovana pre dany regulator. To si najdes v tabulke simonK. Hladaj na googli. Ak chces editovat casovanie, musel by si zobrat zdrojak a potom sam skompilovat HEX subor, ktory sa flashuje to Atmegy. Na rcgroups je vlakno o simonK FW, skus skor tam napisat, ja som taketo edity nerobil, davam tam standarne verzie dostupne v KK Flash tool, pre F30A napr. treba pouzit subor BS_NFET.HEX, pre blueseries 40 je to BS40A.hex
odporucil bysmi multistari flashnut alebo radsej tie blue series.?cosa tyka kvality...chcem to flashnut stym hotovim kablom na atmega s hk ,na rc timer esc som necital vela pozitivneho....a takto aj budem vediet aku verziu simonk mam na tych esc ked sito sam flashnem...
Tazko povedat, nie som taky odbornik na hardware, ale ja by som radsej Blueseries alebo F40. Multistary su len 45A, ja som mal 20A a nedopadli dobre. Jeden mi zhorel.
thanks for your reply but I still have a doubt, I am realizing Hexacopter as yours but I have doubts about the scleta inc.
If I understand correctly you have to reflash the esc with fimware simonk, but I'm not able to do so, and then the b and c what you did you disabled? and if I used this esc www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__39708__Afro_ESC_30Amp_Multi_rotor_Motor_Speed_Controller_SimonK_Firmware_.html that is already simonk you think okay?
thanks
Yes, you can buy ESCs that are already flashed with siminK firmware, e.g. Afro or some are on rctimer website.
Ahoj pekne video mam taku otazocku ake regle su najlepsie pre tie multistar 690kv?skusal som ich dnes na tarote 690s ale s afro esc simonk a robia problemi....
Ja mam HobbyKing F30A flashnute na simonK FW. Na Afra som cital, ze ich aj tak preflashuju, aj ked tam uz je simonK, tak nejaka verzia, kde je pozmenene casovanie a nejake dasie parametre. Skus pogooglit, cital som to niekde vo vlakne o Afro regloch na rcgroups.
Very Nice. MfG. Suloja
+suloja61 Thanks!
ahoj nevies aky je rozdiel medzi hk blue series esc a tie F comas ty?chcem ich flashnut ktore su lepsie?dik
Podla tabulky v simonK reglov su skoro rovnake. F30A maju N-FET tranzistory, co sa povazuje lepsie ako PN-FET, lebo sa menej hreju a maju mensi tepelny drift. Takisto maju externy oscilator, co je tiez lepsie. Flashovacie kontakty maju v rade. blueseries su v tomto rovnake, okrem 12 a 30A verzie a flashovacie kontakty nemaju v rade, ale rozhazdanze po doske.
Dakujem za pomoc :-) mas v plane aj niaky hexa na 6s?nieco ako tarot 810 alebo 960?
Ani nie, aj tento je na mna uz dost velky :)
Impressive! By why fly like a maniac with that heavy load, hehehehe
Ulf Holmström Only for test, with camera I don't fly like that. I needed to know the limits of the machine.
What are best motors to run 10"~11" on 4s?
Need replacement for my 3kg hexa. I would be happy for 10-15 minutes flight time
Thanks for help!
What is your frame? Tarot FY-680? If so, I think 10-11" is small for it. The most effective is use of pancake motors with 12 -13" props for this frame. If you want to use 11" try some SunnySky pancake motors at around 800 kV and 4S.
I have turnigy talon. But thank you!
Hello
I wanted to know what are the esc that you took from hobby king, you can send me their code.
thanks
I added a link to ESC product page in the description under the video, because links are not allowed in the comments. Or search google for "Hobby King 30A ESC 3A UBEC" and you will find it. I flashed the ESCs with simonK firmware myself.
Nice setup but not wise to use different capacities in parallel.
Yes, I know that already. Nevemind, Turnigy pancake motors are not that good. If you want to build similar setup use equivalent SunnySky motors 700 kV
Alek B
Maybe try this motor:
Tiger Motor, MN3110-17 700kV, 466Watt, 3S-4S, 80gr, ability for carbon propeller direkt mounting.
It has more power by less weight. Works perfekt with 12x4 props.
Die Melancholie sounds good! Thanks!
Alek B
You´re welcome. :-)
nevies ci pracuju spravne tie motori s dji esc?nikde som to nenasiel...dik
Neviem, sa mi mari, ze hej, ale skus pohladat vo vlakne o tom hexaci na rcgroups, vlakno sa vola "Tarot FY680 hex", tu nemozem dat linku, tak pohladaj.
I cannot tell you the best configuration for T1000 because I do not have one. I never had such a big copter. But I can advise you to see "Tarot T960 + 5D2 Gimbal" bulid log at rcgroups, just search for that in google. Also, I recommend you to look at rctimer [dot] com, they sell S800 clones of the same quality as DJI for half price. Even Evo with retractable landing gear. Good luck!
HI ALEK B. CAN YOU TEL ME WHAT % GAIN IS SET UP ON NAZA?
I HAVE TAROT FY690S - 620KV -1355PROPS. I LOADED 1.2KG AND CANT LIFT FROM GROUND WITHOUT HELP.
MY NAZA GAIN IS 160%
My gains 170. It flies ok on 12" props on 3S or 4S lipo.
Alek B ALL Gains at 170? Basic: Pitch, roll, yaw, vertical AND Attitude: pitch, roll? Really?
Jere Malila Basic Pitch/Roll: 170, Yaw 120, Vertical 170
Attitude Gain: 150
Yeah, I'm trying the same :)
Hi nice test, what is the weight of the batteries? Thank you
Battery weight was around 1kg
Alek B thank you very much. I will test putting on a small 25cc gas motor with like 0.5 liters of gasoline, just wanted to know if it could handle the weight. Next step is vibrations...
Wow, if you will have video, send me the link then please. Thanks!
Alek B well, I haven't got the drone yet, but I will try it some time. I do not have the cash yet, so I'm waiting for that. Yes I will record it :)
Alek B u know, increased flight time and amazing sound!
I dont suggest that you using that 12 inch props
Use 13 inch one
It will fit
Bigger props means more efficient = more flightime
And also use 530kv or 580kv one
And also dont use retracts because its heavy
Lol
Thank you, that was just for testing and experimenting purposes.
hello , i have a question , if i have motor sunnysky v3508 580kv , props 1355 and 4s battery , can it for auw=4 kg ?
+Tarek Nitro Accoprding to data sheet of this motor it would be able to fly 4 kg, but not at 50% thorttle, but at around 65 - 70% throttle, which is not ideal. The same motor at 700 kv would be more suitable. Or using 15" props on 580 kv, but that is not possible on FY680 hexa, it is too small.
Alek B think you ,so the same motor with 700kv is better , can you give me please other motor better and can support this load for 4s baterie
+Alek B is it turnigy 4822 690 kV better for heavy config ? this motors can be fix on tarot 690 ?
+Tarek Nitro Turnigy Mutistar 4822 690 kV has similar performance as Sunnysky v3508 700 kV. I would rather recommend Sunnysky as my Turnigy are not as good. I had some issues with them.
think you , i thinking about x4108S 690KV ,i think is begger and better performance
Ktore esc 6s bysmi odporucil flashnut?bude ten hk 40A blue.
dobry?dik
To neviem, ja bezim na 4S, 6S som este nemal. Ale tie blueseries 40A sa daju naflashovat na simonK, cize mali by byt ok. Ale daju sa kupit uz aj flashnute, napr. na rctimer
I thought Naza is only for quadro... Not for hexa
Naza is now up to octo.
Alek B Well, I suppose now I can buy Naza instead Wookong
It hurts me when it falls on the ground.. 😭😭😭😭
There was no real damage, so it was not that bad...
@@AlekB Good build I am building on 690s on very powerful 6s 8000mah and tarot 320kv props....
ahh, you asked for UAV, I thought AUW :D lol
I have another smaller FPV quad with Naza Lite.
Is it made up of Aluminum?What is weight of Frame?
@@MrNams It is Tarot FY680 carbon fiber frame, not aluminium. Bare frame weighs around 780 g.
@@AlekB Thanks, I read somewhere its pipe are made up of aluminum
@@MrNams Definitely nont from Alu. But there might be other versions of this frame, mine is made of carbon fiber.
Can tarot 650 lift 10kgs
No, max. total weight including payload is around 4 kg, which represents around 1.5 kg payload. It could carry more payload but then the frame can be overloaded and get broken mid air. I do not recommend overloading it.
Oh dear
Well... :)
HEAVE LIFT......lol 1.5kg payload!!!!! Hell my gimbal alone is 3.7 pounds on mine lol 6.2 pounds with camera almost 3kg total lol and does not even feel it there you must be using really high kv motors or something. I run 400kv ones on mine 0 issue lifting off. 15 minutes flight time fully packed with gear. almost 35 minutes without gimbal/camera onboard. Make sure you zip tie your arms in locked position. around the 2kg/4pounds payload range they tend to unlock mid flight! past lesson learned :-)
I wrote the specs in the description below the video. kV is 690. I do not think this frame is designed to carry 3 kg of payload. I am not saying it is not possible but not safe. For such a high payload I would choose e.g. S900 or similar frame.
Currently this copter AUW 3.8 kg fully loaded with gimbal, camera etc flies 15 minutes with 2 x 4500 mAh 4S lipos.
Hexa becomes a lawn mover :P
Yeah :) Not very efficient though.... :D
hahahahah
So stupid to have no landing gear and no LVC set up before you fly. Stupid crashes like this is what makes people want to ban drones. Kind of a wreckless test setup.
It was a test in the field far away from buildings and people, no landing gear was to prevent from possible accident and breaking it. I think the most stupid is just your comment. Drone banning is caused by stupid flying nearby people, buildings, airports etc.
Lol lvc with a naza? And that was a very basic crash... Crashes are part of the hobby something that does happen to all pilots the rule are here so that idiot that don't under stand that it does happen don't hurt people this guy did absolutely everything he had to do he only risk damaging his own property... There is nothing wrong with that at all.
This is great. Thank you for sharing.
Ahoj ake baterie pouzivas?kolko maju mat C ? moje mali 25C a nafuklo mi ich a to mala kazda bunka 3,8v (zippy compact)
Mam nanotechy, tie maju vela ceciek, takze su ok. Mam aj Zippy Compact a Turnigy, ale tie som este nevyskusal. Nedavno som ich dokupil, ale pocasie je zle.