This is the final form of anybody who gets into ergonomic keyboards 😆 I just bought a zsa voyager a month ago and have been learning colemak to improve my comfort while typing for long periods of time. While I can definitely see the appeal of going to this extent, because it's so different than standard keyboards, I'd be scared of not being able to use a standard keyboard when required of me. I'm already nervous about losing my ability to type with qwerty as I get better with colemak. Just typing on a standard keyboard after moving to something that is columnar/ortholinear is difficult enough as it is. That looks sweet though. Your fingers barely have to move at all. I'm sure this would be wonderful for someone with RSI or other hand pain.
This is a common misconception 😊 It doesn't really affect your regular keyboard typing at all. I still type just as fast on a regular board as I ever did -- because it's so different feeling, the brain has a much easier time keeping it separate. But using a regular keyboard feels like way too much work after using a Svalboard 😅
My voyager comes today but I gonna go for qwery before I only used QWERTZ since I live in Germany but I don’t see the point in like adapting to colemark I get 120 wpm rn on my laptop keyboard so
learning how to play a guitar doesnt make you not remember how to play a harp or piano. Its different and your brain will remember as long as you still practice it once in awhile.
I got a moonlander a few years back, and after college I had to start using a regular keyboard at work and it only took a few hours to get my muscle memory back. I think you'll be fine
Just use different keyboards more often. ~2 hours a week is enough to keep ANSI qwerty in your muscle memory. Staggered/Ortholinear doesn't require any practice, after initial couple of days on Ortholinear switching back and forward is possible within 1 minute.
this is actually an impressive score for a board like this like holy shit how long have you been practicing the muscle memory for this is to the depth of extents
About 80-85wpm -- but Svalboard isn't about speed, it's about ease and comfort. It's dramatically less physical work for your fingers, hands, wrists, arms, shoulders, neck. That's why Datahand had such a loyal following.
@@Svalboard I know, I discovered this because a programmer I follow got this. Personally this would really fit almost all my needs because my text editor uses a lot of mod keys. I'm currently using my laptop keyboard with a hack on some keys to turn them into mod keys so this would be the ideal solution to my problem. I am even willing to say that this keyboard seems like it is as close as it gets to perfection when it comes to ergonomics from what I have seen. The only thing that is keeping me from getting it is the price and it's low portability. But this seems like a huge step forward for keyboards. You made a great job unlike those Chara Chorder guys lol. I will be looking forward to any new advancements in the project and if I ever get the chance to get one, I will.
@@Sun_Seeker Thanks, that's very sweet of you and certainly helps me keep the motivation up. It's tough building and selling in such a small niche, but it's very important to me that the concept live on :) I'm working on getting a molded EVA foam case designed that will make travel much, much simpler, but it will certainly never be as small as a laptop or a tiny split keeb.
Great little niche keyboard, could see splitting these on each arm on a chair so you can recline comfortably and swivel while typing. Only issue I'd imagine would be moving your hand to your mouse back and forth, having to reposition your hand back inside the keyboard every time, namely the thumb tabs that hover overtop
There are integrated trackball and trackpoint options! You can see the trackpoint under my right hand here. But come check out the latest at svalboard.com 😁 And yeah lots of folks chair mount them for ultimate relaxation
The thing that will need to be improved is looks. Stuff like that easily makes a big difference in perception. Don't underestimate that part, there is a reason why the enthusiasts will spend a lot into custom keycaps and mods.
It's not just files -- a lot of custom electronics to make this happen. But you can buy a self-print kit at svalboard.com! And the latest version is waaaay nicer-looking if I do say so myself -- including trackball and trackpoint options and sleek stainless slider towers for the fit mechanism 🙃 Hop on the discord and say hi! svalboard.com/discord
That seems like a badass product.. that I sadly can't afford but I find very innovative. The only thing I can think about is the strain on the hand over time. Please know I love the product, and I'm very interested what that company has in the future, but I would love to see something that can additionally keep the hands comfortable, if not more relaxed in a mechanism like that. That would steal the market absolutely.
There's no strain on the hand 😅 -- these are my hands and they're very much at rest 👋🏻. The palmrest gives a very comfortable resting place while typing any even when using the trackball on newer models 🙏🏻
@@Svalboard what about chronic use? 8 to 16 hours of use? Would it be reliable in an office setting to be a preventative measure against things a typical keyboard would give, like onset arthritis? Things like that.
@@TheZnCYes, that's explicitly what it's designed for. Datahand style keyboards offer dramatically increased typing endurance by reducing force and movement, as well as allowing the user to rest the hands on palm rests comfortably while still being able to make all movements without any uncomfortable stretches.
@@Nerthos imagine being so chronically online you tell people to touch grass over your terrible take on minimalistic movement to achieve typing. Get your head out of your ass.
Datahand! I've been using this style of keeb since 2002, and it went out of production in 2009, so I finally built this to replace it -- check out more history at www.svalboard.com
Not at the moment, but shift is directly under left thumb, and ' is right index finger east. It's a very tight system and works great. But you don't have to take my word for it, DataHand keyboards saved the careers of thousands of people, mostly programmers, whose typing tests would certainly include a lot of weird symbols. I'm not here for typing clout, I'm here to show that a truly ergonomic device doesn't have to slow you down. I'm a bit faster on Svalboard/Datahand than I ever was on a traditional board (I use QWERTY-ish layouts on both), but not dramatically so.
Comfort. Datahand, the predecessor, saved my career 20 years ago. Very small motions and very small forces, along with magnetic key breakaway force profile, reduces effort -- to eliminate pain from carpal tunnel syndrome and ulnar nerve issues, among others 🙏🏻
My 4th grade public school typing teacher was practically flawless at 110wpm she could reach 118 on the old mechanical keyboards. I took 6 years of typing classes ive never broke into 30's wpm range even sadder still i can reach 24wpm 2 finger stab and only 18 using homerow
You can't really use a steno keyboard for anything other than steno, and it's an entire new system to learn. This is, in the end, still just a keyboard -- steno isn't useful for programmers or particularly important for other slower, more compositional writing. Speed is overrated, this is just to demonstrate that you can type reasonably fast with very little physical effort on Svalboard
@@troncat8490yes, the entire thing is fitted with a cool mechanism you can adjust for your anatomy. Check out svalboard.com for lots of info. Quiet isn't a design goal, but some people have made them quieter but adding a thin layer of damping material in strategic places
Not really with this device -- there's a fraction of users, maybe 2-3%, who prefer no palm rests, but there's no speed difference either way. I can use them either way depending on how I'm feeling, but I generally prefer to be grounded to the palm rests. The motions are so small that your wrists don't need to do much other than help a bit with isolating certain movements of the clumsier fingers, especially ring-outwards. Certainly the crazy speed typists on traditional keyboards are faster and using some different motor pathways, but the purpose of Svalboard is to avoid/recover from overuse injury. ❤
public security section 9 operator type beat
Just wait until his fingers split up and he starts operating 10 of these at once.
Well, if Aramaki San is hiring, I’ll take any open position as long as I get to hang out with the team.
젤나가 맙소사
It’s like Ghost in the shell typings
I was just about to say that.
☝️🤓
@@beckstiles6595 but you didn't. You lost. I am not having sex with you. I belong to him now
@@beckstiles6595 was literally going to say the same thing. We grew up in a generation eh?
Opening on SAC 2nd GIG
i have been thinking about stuff like this for some time now great to see someone making it happen.
visionary
This is based on the Datahand which was made 34 years ago.
А голосовой ввод для кого?)
This is interesting as hell, I'm so glad I decided to go down the mechanical keeb rabbit hole. The spirit of DIY is really strong with this hobby
❤ thanks! Always glad to get people geeking out on weird input devices!
Tf is a keeb
This is the final form of anybody who gets into ergonomic keyboards 😆
I just bought a zsa voyager a month ago and have been learning colemak to improve my comfort while typing for long periods of time. While I can definitely see the appeal of going to this extent, because it's so different than standard keyboards, I'd be scared of not being able to use a standard keyboard when required of me. I'm already nervous about losing my ability to type with qwerty as I get better with colemak. Just typing on a standard keyboard after moving to something that is columnar/ortholinear is difficult enough as it is.
That looks sweet though. Your fingers barely have to move at all. I'm sure this would be wonderful for someone with RSI or other hand pain.
This is a common misconception 😊
It doesn't really affect your regular keyboard typing at all. I still type just as fast on a regular board as I ever did -- because it's so different feeling, the brain has a much easier time keeping it separate. But using a regular keyboard feels like way too much work after using a Svalboard 😅
My voyager comes today but I gonna go for qwery before I only used QWERTZ since I live in Germany but I don’t see the point in like adapting to colemark I get 120 wpm rn on my laptop keyboard so
learning how to play a guitar doesnt make you not remember how to play a harp or piano. Its different and your brain will remember as long as you still practice it once in awhile.
I got a moonlander a few years back, and after college I had to start using a regular keyboard at work and it only took a few hours to get my muscle memory back. I think you'll be fine
Just use different keyboards more often. ~2 hours a week is enough to keep ANSI qwerty in your muscle memory.
Staggered/Ortholinear doesn't require any practice, after initial couple of days on Ortholinear switching back and forward is possible within 1 minute.
It looks like a world of Ghost in the Shell. So Cooool
:D Awesome to see the DataHand concept still lives!
this is actually an impressive score for a board like this like holy shit how long have you been practicing the muscle memory for this is to the depth of extents
That is IMPRESSIVE!
Interfacing: go fingerboy, go!
disco, disco, disco :)
I had the original Data Hand. I am so glad someone picked up this design. Where can I purchase it? Please tell me you can map it with VIAL or QMK?
Why you prefer QMK over ZMK ?
Yes! www.svalboard.com -- we ship Vial-QMK by default, but you can run plain QMK if you like
This looks like a scene out of the matrix or something. Pretty cool and impressive
Have you tried using Vim with this keyboard? How was the experience?
Lots of Vim users, works great. Of course you can remap anything you like with Vial-QMK
finally i can be like the stark jegan pilot in gundam unicorn
i looked at this and thought "oh just another funny keyboard"
nope i was very wrong.
Someone needs to meme this with that scene. I just imagine it cutting to the Androids getting burnt out and then back to him on the other end.
wtf... incredible....
this is some cyber punk shit
wow that looks pretty impressed
impressed indeed
impressed
what is your typing speed on a regular keyboard? I am so intrigued by this keyboard
About 80-85wpm -- but Svalboard isn't about speed, it's about ease and comfort. It's dramatically less physical work for your fingers, hands, wrists, arms, shoulders, neck. That's why Datahand had such a loyal following.
@@Svalboard I know, I discovered this because a programmer I follow got this. Personally this would really fit almost all my needs because my text editor uses a lot of mod keys. I'm currently using my laptop keyboard with a hack on some keys to turn them into mod keys so this would be the ideal solution to my problem. I am even willing to say that this keyboard seems like it is as close as it gets to perfection when it comes to ergonomics from what I have seen. The only thing that is keeping me from getting it is the price and it's low portability. But this seems like a huge step forward for keyboards. You made a great job unlike those Chara Chorder guys lol. I will be looking forward to any new advancements in the project and if I ever get the chance to get one, I will.
@@Sun_Seeker Thanks, that's very sweet of you and certainly helps me keep the motivation up. It's tough building and selling in such a small niche, but it's very important to me that the concept live on :) I'm working on getting a molded EVA foam case designed that will make travel much, much simpler, but it will certainly never be as small as a laptop or a tiny split keeb.
now that's a cyberpunk keyboard
this is great! where could learn more about the company?
datahand
Original idea of Datahand from a looooong time ago
but some diy enthusiasts bring back it to live and this is great
www.svalboard.com
Great little niche keyboard, could see splitting these on each arm on a chair so you can recline comfortably and swivel while typing. Only issue I'd imagine would be moving your hand to your mouse back and forth, having to reposition your hand back inside the keyboard every time, namely the thumb tabs that hover overtop
There are integrated trackball and trackpoint options! You can see the trackpoint under my right hand here. But come check out the latest at svalboard.com 😁
And yeah lots of folks chair mount them for ultimate relaxation
The thing that will need to be improved is looks. Stuff like that easily makes a big difference in perception. Don't underestimate that part, there is a reason why the enthusiasts will spend a lot into custom keycaps and mods.
Make it all matte black 🗿 aesthetics comes second for me tho tbf
General Grievous controlling his roller vehicle be like:
dude has to get cyborg hands to match my 4 and a half finger typing style 😭
Holy shit… I’ve never seen anything like this.
William Afton prepping for normal life as springtrap
the background sounds like someone is in life support
I have small children, might as well be 😂
Best Keyboard for Hector from Breaking Bad
So this must be how people operate Gundam.
This looks like it would give me a permanent brain trauma if I tried to comprehend typing on it
@@Anasumi I believe in you ❤️🙏🏻😅
This is insanely cool, do you host the 3d files anywhere so I could print them myself?
It's not just files -- a lot of custom electronics to make this happen. But you can buy a self-print kit at svalboard.com!
And the latest version is waaaay nicer-looking if I do say so myself -- including trackball and trackpoint options and sleek stainless slider towers for the fit mechanism 🙃
Hop on the discord and say hi! svalboard.com/discord
めっちゃかっこいいです！
@@AlphaBridge-nn3cv 😬
I'm frothing at the mouth to get my hands on one of these keyboards
Looks like the keyboard on some starships
The words filling in have higher FPS than my PC
Looks like how Newtypes control their mobile suit
dude lives in the year 3000
That seems like a badass product.. that I sadly can't afford but I find very innovative. The only thing I can think about is the strain on the hand over time.
Please know I love the product, and I'm very interested what that company has in the future, but I would love to see something that can additionally keep the hands comfortable, if not more relaxed in a mechanism like that. That would steal the market absolutely.
There's no strain on the hand 😅 -- these are my hands and they're very much at rest 👋🏻. The palmrest gives a very comfortable resting place while typing any even when using the trackball on newer models 🙏🏻
@@Svalboard what about chronic use? 8 to 16 hours of use? Would it be reliable in an office setting to be a preventative measure against things a typical keyboard would give, like onset arthritis? Things like that.
@@TheZnCYes, that's explicitly what it's designed for. Datahand style keyboards offer dramatically increased typing endurance by reducing force and movement, as well as allowing the user to rest the hands on palm rests comfortably while still being able to make all movements without any uncomfortable stretches.
Come check out the Discord to learn more!
This is like 9/10ths of the way to jacked in.
can you easily type programming characters like double quotes, brackets, semi colon, etc ?
Yes! Most users are SW engineers and the number/symbol layer makes great use of the home row. See the default layout at svalboard.com.
@@Svalboard awesome, thank you!
good
and can it handle rage typing?
Really does remind me of Ghost In The Shell
Jesus man. That's skill
dude never left home row
Perfect for Vim
This looks incredibly inpractical
This guy liked his own (misspelled) comment for satisfaction. 😂
@@glennwell2491 Nope. Would screenshot if youtube let me post it.
Imagine being this petty. Touch some grass.
@@Nerthos imagine being so chronically online you tell people to touch grass over your terrible take on minimalistic movement to achieve typing. Get your head out of your ass.
@@NerthosYou did it again
@@kuroshite Fake and gay
Pretty cool. I've seen this style of keyboard before -- is there a name for this type of layout?
Datahand! I've been using this style of keeb since 2002, and it went out of production in 2009, so I finally built this to replace it -- check out more history at www.svalboard.com
I can already do 100+wpm on an azerty keyboard. Ordered a sofle split ergo which should be here in about a month, I wonder how thats going to go :o
How fast is it now?
Where to buy this???
DJ Fitteskinn was here!
u got one where you have to write big letters and use " ' " too?
Not at the moment, but shift is directly under left thumb, and ' is right index finger east. It's a very tight system and works great.
But you don't have to take my word for it, DataHand keyboards saved the careers of thousands of people, mostly programmers, whose typing tests would certainly include a lot of weird symbols.
I'm not here for typing clout, I'm here to show that a truly ergonomic device doesn't have to slow you down. I'm a bit faster on Svalboard/Datahand than I ever was on a traditional board (I use QWERTY-ish layouts on both), but not dramatically so.
Very interesting. I think something like this placed on the hips would be very ergonomic for typing on the move.
how can i type chinese on this keyboard ?
I don't know, but I assume there are other QMK users typing pinyin?
Какова практическая ценность эксперимента?
Comfort. Datahand, the predecessor, saved my career 20 years ago. Very small motions and very small forces, along with magnetic key breakaway force profile, reduces effort -- to eliminate pain from carpal tunnel syndrome and ulnar nerve issues, among others 🙏🏻
how can u tell without the letter on button
There's this thing that humans used to have called a memory.
My 4th grade public school typing teacher was practically flawless at 110wpm she could reach 118 on the old mechanical keyboards. I took 6 years of typing classes ive never broke into 30's wpm range even sadder still i can reach 24wpm 2 finger stab and only 18 using homerow
So what made you choose this over a stenographer's keyboard?
You can't really use a steno keyboard for anything other than steno, and it's an entire new system to learn.
This is, in the end, still just a keyboard -- steno isn't useful for programmers or particularly important for other slower, more compositional writing.
Speed is overrated, this is just to demonstrate that you can type reasonably fast with very little physical effort on Svalboard
Is this the endgame??
Tf? I was thinking of something like this long ago, since when was this invented?
Datahand was invented in the late 1980s and sold from about 1992 onwards. This is a resurrection!
@@Svalboard damn, forgive my ignorance.
Its easier to do that on a regular keyboard how do you even remember which key triggers which
Sorry but I have no idea how this works. Someone please enlighten me.
If someone can add a bear drop that would be mind-blowing 😮
something something out of Dune
That actually might be very good in gaming, it will help with having lots of keybinds
noticed that each finger doodad can be positioned independently of the others.
I love my glove80 but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't jealous.
We have quite a few glove80 owners amongst Svalboard users 🙃. The anatomical fitment and light magnetic keys are pretty special on Sval 🥹
Why aren't these more popular?
They've only been on sale for a year, and Datahand has been out of business for 15 years. Slowly building the inertia back up 🙃
@@Svalboard Oh.
How long it takes to get used to it ?
Anywhere from about 2-4 weeks, with prior speed returning over several months
Now combine it with OpenSteno and you will achieve god mode...after 5000 years of learning curve
can it have bound keys on a pc
Yep, it runs Vial QMK so you can do anything you want
@@Svalboard is there one with more quiet switches/keys, and/or can you rotate them in any way?
@@troncat8490yes, the entire thing is fitted with a cool mechanism you can adjust for your anatomy. Check out svalboard.com for lots of info.
Quiet isn't a design goal, but some people have made them quieter but adding a thin layer of damping material in strategic places
@@Svalboard that's pretty neat, I'm definitely going to look into one (not sponsored)
what if i want a mouse for gaming
I normally keep my mouse in between them, just took it out to get a better shot here. Much easier on the shoulder than reaching to the right
But I can type way faster with a regular keyboard, though what’s the point of this strange keyboard set up?
Like what wpm? OP states this was done with minimal effort. I assume if he tries, he could get 150+ wpm. I don’t know though.
Preventing/healing from repetitive strain injury.
This is cool, but there is no way in hell I could ever memorize that
I’m kind into it tbh
dear lord this shit looks like something out of saw
pretty cool though
My hands arent that stable
That's why there are palmrests! But it does take some quieting down after years of too much motion :)
If I had $850 to burn, I’d honestly get me one.
Isn't it a charachorder?
104 sounds slow and sad with a keyboard like that
That's me -- slow, sad, but uninjured 😊
Probably would be nice for somebody with reduced range of motion.
Now try to do this on the SLAVboard = )
А в чем смысл? Привычная клавиатура быстрее
Prevents injury.
I need this
미래형 인지 컴퓨터 키보드...(로봇에 사용될 키보드인가.)
i can hear him crying wtf
this reminds me of dodohands
I was on that geekhacks thread 15 years ago, along with Jesusfreke who did lalboard 🙃
*cries in AZERTY*
You can have AZERTY! It's 100% customizable, don't even need to reflash. Already a few folks with them in France... 🙃
on some mech pilot shit
why ?
RSI
Seems like you can type faster if your wrists don't need to be grounded
Not really with this device -- there's a fraction of users, maybe 2-3%, who prefer no palm rests, but there's no speed difference either way. I can use them either way depending on how I'm feeling, but I generally prefer to be grounded to the palm rests. The motions are so small that your wrists don't need to do much other than help a bit with isolating certain movements of the clumsier fingers, especially ring-outwards.
Certainly the crazy speed typists on traditional keyboards are faster and using some different motor pathways, but the purpose of Svalboard is to avoid/recover from overuse injury.
❤
みんな同じの思い浮かべてて草
Need a tiny trackpad for your thumbs. Never lift off
damn
This it's nice, and you have done a fantastic job, but you can buy an azeron for half price, I'm so sorry.
But Why
1분에 100타 치는건가?
At this point just be a stenographer
why though
Прикольно, но для повседневного пользования для компьютера, довольно неудобно, учитывая что нужно ещё и мышкой пользоваться.
No, there are built in trackball and trackpoint options 🙃. See the latest at Svalboard.com!
@@Svalboardпххахахаха, понятно. Был неправ. Довольно хорошая нативная реклама получилась.