I've been saying for years, the BEST hybrid would be a turbo diesel series hybrid. That's what I want to see. Keep the 6.7 as an option, but also offer a small diesel with a hybrid system. Have the diesel function as a generator only, not connected to the wheels. This way it can run at two fixed rpms. One rpm for maximum efficiency and when the electric system is seeing high demand, the diesel can switch to maximum power. It can also run in EV only mode if it's not hauling/towing.
Yep and plenty of space between the frame rails for a decent sized battery for around town driving with an PH/EREV version. 100 km in winter should be more than enough for most folks to get around town on electrons only. Then when towing or hauling fire up the diesel for extra power and range.
That is so stupid. If you look at real trucks you will see there is not a single hybrid that can drive in pure electric mode. There are battery electric trucks, diesel trucks and diesel hybrid trucks, but that hybrid can only ever assist the engine because of the hard work the trucks do. The Super Duty has the capabilities of a real truck in pickup form.
If I were to predict the build, it would be the 6.8 Powerboost with 445hp, 490ft/lbs, 7.3 Powerboost with 470hp, 550ft/lbs, probably have the over 10k gvw package on the F250, regenerative braking to assist with towing and payload. I can see better mpgs and increased towing, payload wouldn't change much
Andre i love my 22 Powerboost. Powered my house in three extended multi day power outages. Only issue is dismall payload of 1340 pounds in XLT high. If the super duty had better around town mpgs and and a decent payload i am in. But a simple near term fix is to put the 4850 HDPP axle in Powerboost now! Then I can slide in a pop up camper and power ac and heat etc.
Finally! I've been suggesting this for almost two years now for all the reason you mentioned. Additionally, it will certainly increase the torque proportional with the size of the HDs. So if the F150 powerboost is 70lb ft tq, HDs will be 100 or more easily. May have a 500 hp and 600 lb ft tq minimum, I would say, coupled with the current unburdened 7.3 powertrain. I do however, believe the objective is to reduce diesel production in the future. The 7.3 has displaced some diesels already among the 5th wheel community and if you create more torque and better fuel economy, you really have to ask yourself why buy a diesel unless towing is a lifestyle. Few diesels live their life expectancy if we're being honest about it because on average we like buying newer vehicles every 5 years. So the longevity argument goes out the window also. As a 2020 power stroke owner myself, I get the 1050 lb ft tq attraction (and now 1200), no explanation needed but the future of emissions and the complexity/cost of modern diesels may seal their fate in the not too distant future. On the bright side, at least now, I'm finally seeing some real innovations in gas engines that might make that transition palatable and perhaps more affordable.
I am so glad on July 8th, I ordered my truck with the 7.3L. Build date in mid August. I am going away from this lemon of a 2020 Silverado 2500hd ltz diesel. I want it now but somehow have to have patience...
Congratulations on your upcoming truck. I have a 2024 250 Lariat Tremor with the 7.3. Fantastic truck, ZERO issues. I’m planning on keeping it for a very long time. There were a VERY few early 7.3 engines that had lifter issues (likely a supplier issue). Don’t let the trolls fool you, this a beast of a truck and engine. Like I always say… I like my Bourbon and my trucks made in KENTUCKY 👊🏻💥🇺🇸
I think a hybrid system similar to the PB would be great in a 3/4 ton. My FIL’s PB saved him at a remote build site when his generator died for his roof machine. Luckily he was there because his crew uses the F250 to tow it. I would say a minimum of 7.2kw with a higher output option would make the most sense for a 3/4 ton. I don’t see why it can’t be used for both gas and diesel powertrains? Either way, I hope that’s what ford meant in that statement.
The F150 Hybrid is a piece of crap... I've had it for 24 months and for 8 months it's had the engine light on due to the well known heat exchanger issue. For a truck that cost me $80,000 +tax (canadian), I am beyond disappointed and it'll be the last ford I purchase going forward. Took Ford almost 3 years to do a recall on this! Their response to the issue has been infuriating/frustrating. Paying for a new truck sitting on the dealership lot waiting for parts is brutal. If you want hybrid, stay away from Ford products until they have a proven track record.
An Edison Motors approach but designed from the bottom up - high efficiency diesel generator with smaller battery and electric drive-train with all the Lightning features - and not costing the price of your house. It appears to be the most effective way for this class of vehicle with today’s tech. And V2H, V2V output with battery and/or generator. Maybe???
The Edison motors approach uses the smallest batteries that would be useful based on the size of the vehicles. Using a 6C peak discharge rating, a 70 kilowatt hour battery pack with an approximately 75 kilowatt hour 2.8 or 3.6 diesel generator is just about on point for two 250 kilowatt electric motors for their pickup conversion. The battery pack size choice for their single, double and triple axle semis are about on point too. For their single axle semi a 3.6 or 6.7 makes more sense for the generator based on the specs on the website with the 9 liter being a great choice for the double and triple axle. A nice conversation would be a cargo van or minivan with a single 35kw battery pack and a cheaper gasoline engine generator. Glad other people are talking about Edison motors. I hope the ram charger is awesome.
6.7 wouldn’t need the power boost. It would give the gas engines more torque to compete with the 6.7. As it is you can’t use all the torque the 6.7 makes because of torque management.
You guys always preached that it was impossible to do this. They've had the technology for decades and just slow role releasing this. Its part of their business plan.
They might do what Edison motors. Diesel electric hybrid where the Diesel is just a generator with electric drive motors. More torque and it would be instant.
AFAIK the Edison is more focused on logging trucks, more low speed stuff, shorter distances, etc. Pure serial operation hybrids wouldn't work that great on an HD pickup IMHO. Unless if you use a large battery and reserve most of it for a buffer so it's nearly impossible to burn through it... But then you have a large battery, which adds weight, which adds cost, which reduces payload, which reduces towing capacity, etc. A Serial operation hybrid with a torque converter, clutch disconnect, and smaller battery makes more sense for this application
I agree with this as Edison is already going this direction with pickups as well, not just large logging trucks. This is also the same concept as the Ram Charger, which in my opinion should have a diesel generator especially for a HD truck. Diesel is far more stable than gas, and if operating primarily on electric, a more stable fuel that will not go stale would be better. Magna as well, but they produce vehicles for everyone and they have been testing for a while now this exact concept. Sometimes they just build components, sometimes they build whole vehicles. They have videos out there testing on a GM heavy duty tested. They have sponsored Out of Spec in the past, and I believe TFLT has even driven the concept in the past. It makes the truck basically a diesel electric train, and those have been around for over 60 years.
They would benefit from at least running the front drive wheels directly from the engine at highway speeds, eliminates the need for a driveshaft and a bit more room for batteries. GM did a bunch of efficiency research when developing the Voltec system and found it was the best way when in range extender mode, I forget what speed that system couples the ICE to the drive wheels directly, then uses the electric motor for acceleration and deceleration assistance when needed. But yeah for stop and go traffic and low speed around town stuff running a motor generator combo is the most efficient way.
I love my power boost f150. We use the generator built-in to run are camper off grid as well as have used it to runs tools around the property. I think a f250 or 350 with a generator built-in would be awesome
I think that super duty trucks will go that way if, for no other reason, to try to justify a $100,000 sales price. More and more and more features. They are nice but also costly.
I would imagine it'll be a gas powertrain if anything, probably parallel operation like the Powerboost. Diesel in a hybrid application with US emissions equipment would (I imagine) lead to inefficient DPFs, EGR cooler buildup issues (Toyota had this issue on some of their hybrids in the early 2010's), among other things due to the engine running under less load, running cooler, and starting and stopping regularly. Makes more sense to put it on the Gas 6.8/7.3 and use it to fill torque. Not sure I'd want a serial operation on a vehicle like this either. If you did it, you'd have to have a large battery, and use a lot of it for a buffer. Even then, your fuel economy at sustained speeds (highway) wouldn't be as good as just running it in parallel operation. A large battery buffer would be necessary if you did serial operation because you could very well end up in a situation (especially with a large trailer) where you burn through that buffer and have to rely on converting the power from the engine to electricity then feed it back into the electric motors and you'd end up with severely reduced propulsion... At least that's been the case with every other serial hybrid that's been sold in the US market. We'll see if the new RAM Ramcharger has a large enough buffer to counteract this
@@slaytanic921I have been thinking that putting a Prius drive train in the front of a truck with a different final gear ratio to give it better low end torque and an electric motor in the back axle to assist in acceleration and braking. The Prius engine being used to both propel the vehicle as well as keep the batteries charged up. I have a feeling Toyota might end up doing something like that in a next generation Tundra and just do away with their current power train.
Why don’t people talk about the pto capability of the F250. A nice sized generator can reasonably be added to one of these beauties, with a reasonable amount of work, if you make sure you order the pto option. At least, to the best of my understanding, unless things have change.
Iv look into it. The transfer case gets in the way for the regular truck You have ordered a chassis cab. Then it can be done. . It also cost a lot like $1000 per kilowatt. The smallest is 10k . It is not practical for most people. I' use my truck for work and I couldn't justify it.
I think the future is plug-in eletric with an onboard generator like the ram charger. It will be easier to support long term and give you 100% electric motor torque. If ford can do that with an updatable infotainment system/computer it will keep them king of trucks.
Absolutely they should add a power boost high power generator system to the superduty line. Those will be so awesome on Consrtuction sites where there may be no power. They wont be able to keep them in stock.
A Diesel with Propane injection the engine runs quieter cleaner and more power. I had it on my jeep liberty Diesel the more turbo pressure the more propane
I’d say it would be a supercharger not turbos if ford went this route only because they worked directly with a few aftermarket companies to do the shift and fuel maps for the supercharger kit on the 7.3. I think they probably already have tested supercharged 7.3’s and are waiting for the market to shift that direction. I also believe ram will have the turbo Cummins gas as an option.
Hybrid. The 7.3 is already very capable. It doesn't need more power, but a hybrid would provide power, mpg, and utility while turbo would only provide power.
It ought to be. I have a rav4 prime, it’s got 300hp 0-60 in 5 seconds and gets over the epa 42mpg. Why not save money on gas by switching to electric at idle and slow speeds?
The hybrid option is a great idea for the Superduty trucks, it greatly improves around town and in traffic efficiency. Something these big beasts really need.
They have had the technology to do this for a while but didn't want to but if y'all are after a different type of fuel that you can use right now! Yo can get these trucks in a CNG aka compressed natural gas/ propane only downside is that the fuel mileage sucks!!
So, no series hybrid with turbine powering a generator with electric motive power? That would be optimal.
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Turbine power was used by GE on locomotives for a few years, it produced incredible power but was inefficient, noisy and the exhaust generated too much heat.
As long as not full EV, comments won't probably get that interesting. Actually, a diesel hybrid is probably a dream for a lot of HD guys, though a gas-hybrid would be nice.
We can’t forget about all the hate when hybrid first was introduced😂 especially when it came to those that were ragging on Toyota. But hey, I guess if you can’t beat them, join them and it’s better than going all electric. 🤷♂️
The first gen hybrids were much less powerful than competing vehicles, with 30 second 0-60 times; that’s where the hate comes from, and people still hate the hybrids which have no power. The new generation of hybrids in many vehicles are much more potent, and in cases such as the F150, are actually more powerful than their ICE equivalent. That’s why they are seeing much more acceptance. People made fun of 3-wheel vehicles for decades, and now people love them. Why? Because the 3-wheel vehicles that were ridiculed and the 3-wheeled vehicles that are loved are COMPLETELY different.
The BYD Shark does this except with a gas motor. If you're just running a generator, why fool with the emissions headache of a diesel? Big advantage is the transmission becomes way simpler, one speed and no reverse.
i hope they dont go hybrid my 2023 f250 has been a pos since i bought it. powersteering hose blown rear end rebuilt because bad bearing muffler replaced because a baffle broke and the computer had a bad update and this is all in the first 4000 miles and sat on a lift for 2 months for back ordered parts worst experince of my life
@@Hoxworth73 Maybe, but who is raised to insult people they don’t know? Everybody today, I guess. But I bet he doesn’t speak to people that way in real life.
I've been saying for years, the BEST hybrid would be a turbo diesel series hybrid. That's what I want to see. Keep the 6.7 as an option, but also offer a small diesel with a hybrid system. Have the diesel function as a generator only, not connected to the wheels. This way it can run at two fixed rpms. One rpm for maximum efficiency and when the electric system is seeing high demand, the diesel can switch to maximum power. It can also run in EV only mode if it's not hauling/towing.
Yep and plenty of space between the frame rails for a decent sized battery for around town driving with an PH/EREV version. 100 km in winter should be more than enough for most folks to get around town on electrons only. Then when towing or hauling fire up the diesel for extra power and range.
A disconnected engine couldn't provide good braking power for towing.
@@connerymartin2952 Regenerative braking provides a LOT more braking than a diesel engine.
That is so stupid. If you look at real trucks you will see there is not a single hybrid that can drive in pure electric mode. There are battery electric trucks, diesel trucks and diesel hybrid trucks, but that hybrid can only ever assist the engine because of the hard work the trucks do. The Super Duty has the capabilities of a real truck in pickup form.
Diesel electric makes no sense for road vehicles.
If I were to predict the build, it would be the 6.8 Powerboost with 445hp, 490ft/lbs, 7.3 Powerboost with 470hp, 550ft/lbs, probably have the over 10k gvw package on the F250, regenerative braking to assist with towing and payload. I can see better mpgs and increased towing, payload wouldn't change much
I agree, probably less payload for a bigger battery pack than the f150 uses (1kwh)
They won’t bother to release two different gas hybrid powertrains on the Super Duty… if it’s gas it’ll likely just use the 7.3 with a hybrid system.
Andre i love my 22 Powerboost. Powered my house in three extended multi day power outages. Only issue is dismall payload of 1340 pounds in XLT high. If the super duty had better around town mpgs and and a decent payload i am in. But a simple near term fix is to put the 4850 HDPP axle in Powerboost now! Then I can slide in a pop up camper and power ac and heat etc.
Finally! I've been suggesting this for almost two years now for all the reason you mentioned. Additionally, it will certainly increase the torque proportional with the size of the HDs. So if the F150 powerboost is 70lb ft tq, HDs will be 100 or more easily. May have a 500 hp and 600 lb ft tq minimum, I would say, coupled with the current unburdened 7.3 powertrain. I do however, believe the objective is to reduce diesel production in the future. The 7.3 has displaced some diesels already among the 5th wheel community and if you create more torque and better fuel economy, you really have to ask yourself why buy a diesel unless towing is a lifestyle. Few diesels live their life expectancy if we're being honest about it because on average we like buying newer vehicles every 5 years. So the longevity argument goes out the window also. As a 2020 power stroke owner myself, I get the 1050 lb ft tq attraction (and now 1200), no explanation needed but the future of emissions and the complexity/cost of modern diesels may seal their fate in the not too distant future. On the bright side, at least now, I'm finally seeing some real innovations in gas engines that might make that transition palatable and perhaps more affordable.
I am so glad on July 8th, I ordered my truck with the 7.3L. Build date in mid August. I am going away from this lemon of a 2020 Silverado 2500hd ltz diesel. I want it now but somehow have to have patience...
Nice. Now you can have your lifters fail in 20k miles. 😂
@@Lq32332 Well, thankfully that doesn't happen on the 2024s apparently...
Congratulations on your upcoming truck. I have a 2024 250 Lariat Tremor with the 7.3. Fantastic truck, ZERO issues. I’m planning on keeping it for a very long time. There were a VERY few early 7.3 engines that had lifter issues (likely a supplier issue). Don’t let the trolls fool you, this a beast of a truck and engine. Like I always say… I like my Bourbon and my trucks made in KENTUCKY 👊🏻💥🇺🇸
@@Ponderosa530Same here, great truck.
Why did you go with the 7.3 vs diesel? @Ponderosa530
I think a hybrid system similar to the PB would be great in a 3/4 ton. My FIL’s PB saved him at a remote build site when his generator died for his roof machine. Luckily he was there because his crew uses the F250 to tow it. I would say a minimum of 7.2kw with a higher output option would make the most sense for a 3/4 ton. I don’t see why it can’t be used for both gas and diesel powertrains? Either way, I hope that’s what ford meant in that statement.
About time? Sounds awesome!
@BrianEugeneLee-FJCruiser well in the video they state, they are adding a plant. With different technologies in their power plants
The F-150 Hybrid came out over 3 years ago.
@BrianEugeneLee-FJCruiser they won't ever get rid of the diesel bro relax
@@edwardsr70ever is a long time but would give it at least 20 more years
I will never understand why Andre traded in his f-150 hybrid for a Colorado.
Content, not practicality
The F150 Hybrid is a piece of crap... I've had it for 24 months and for 8 months it's had the engine light on due to the well known heat exchanger issue.
For a truck that cost me $80,000 +tax (canadian), I am beyond disappointed and it'll be the last ford I purchase going forward. Took Ford almost 3 years to do a recall on this! Their response to the issue has been infuriating/frustrating. Paying for a new truck sitting on the dealership lot waiting for parts is brutal.
If you want hybrid, stay away from Ford products until they have a proven track record.
@@BradDurdle81there sales say so there a popular choice and no other does hybrid full size trucks better then ford
Yes, I wanted a brand-new next-gen midsize pickup truck. I plan to go back to full-size trucks in a few months. -Andre.
@TFLtruck when you switch do you plan on optioning cruise control?
I just hope they make them look as good as your thumbnail rendering.
An Edison Motors approach but designed from the bottom up - high efficiency diesel generator with smaller battery and electric drive-train with all the Lightning features - and not costing the price of your house. It appears to be the most effective way for this class of vehicle with today’s tech. And V2H, V2V output with battery and/or generator. Maybe???
The Edison motors approach uses the smallest batteries that would be useful based on the size of the vehicles.
Using a 6C peak discharge rating, a 70 kilowatt hour battery pack with an approximately 75 kilowatt hour 2.8 or 3.6 diesel generator is just about on point for two 250 kilowatt electric motors for their pickup conversion.
The battery pack size choice for their single, double and triple axle semis are about on point too. For their single axle semi a 3.6 or 6.7 makes more sense for the generator based on the specs on the website with the 9 liter being a great choice for the double and triple axle.
A nice conversation would be a cargo van or minivan with a single 35kw battery pack and a cheaper gasoline engine generator.
Glad other people are talking about Edison motors. I hope the ram charger is awesome.
And a way to work on it and repair without taking the whole thing apart
6.7, hybrid, powerboost.....do it!
6.7 wouldn’t need the power boost. It would give the gas engines more torque to compete with the 6.7. As it is you can’t use all the torque the 6.7 makes because of torque management.
@@slaytanic921 I lot of trucks are city work trucks and could use the extra mpg.
Hybrid 7.3L would have me very interested in a SD.
You guys always preached that it was impossible to do this. They've had the technology for decades and just slow role releasing this. Its part of their business plan.
😂😂😂
I missed the video where they said it was impossible
They wouldn't make a blanket engineering statement like that.
And then there’s this guy
They might do what Edison motors. Diesel electric hybrid where the Diesel is just a generator with electric drive motors. More torque and it would be instant.
AFAIK the Edison is more focused on logging trucks, more low speed stuff, shorter distances, etc. Pure serial operation hybrids wouldn't work that great on an HD pickup IMHO. Unless if you use a large battery and reserve most of it for a buffer so it's nearly impossible to burn through it... But then you have a large battery, which adds weight, which adds cost, which reduces payload, which reduces towing capacity, etc. A Serial operation hybrid with a torque converter, clutch disconnect, and smaller battery makes more sense for this application
@@Black-Villain a lot of service trucks never drive out of the city
I agree with this as Edison is already going this direction with pickups as well, not just large logging trucks. This is also the same concept as the Ram Charger, which in my opinion should have a diesel generator especially for a HD truck. Diesel is far more stable than gas, and if operating primarily on electric, a more stable fuel that will not go stale would be better. Magna as well, but they produce vehicles for everyone and they have been testing for a while now this exact concept. Sometimes they just build components, sometimes they build whole vehicles. They have videos out there testing on a GM heavy duty tested. They have sponsored Out of Spec in the past, and I believe TFLT has even driven the concept in the past. It makes the truck basically a diesel electric train, and those have been around for over 60 years.
They would benefit from at least running the front drive wheels directly from the engine at highway speeds, eliminates the need for a driveshaft and a bit more room for batteries. GM did a bunch of efficiency research when developing the Voltec system and found it was the best way when in range extender mode, I forget what speed that system couples the ICE to the drive wheels directly, then uses the electric motor for acceleration and deceleration assistance when needed.
But yeah for stop and go traffic and low speed around town stuff running a motor generator combo is the most efficient way.
I love my power boost f150. We use the generator built-in to run are camper off grid as well as have used it to runs tools around the property. I think a f250 or 350 with a generator built-in would be awesome
I think that super duty trucks will go that way if, for no other reason, to try to justify a $100,000 sales price.
More and more and more features. They are nice but also costly.
Very glad to hear the Oakville plant is getting this.
6.7, with diesel-electric. Motors in the wheels and the diesel just acts as a generator, like a train. It could also power RVs
This is the future. It could probably be smaller than a 6.7.
I would imagine it'll be a gas powertrain if anything, probably parallel operation like the Powerboost. Diesel in a hybrid application with US emissions equipment would (I imagine) lead to inefficient DPFs, EGR cooler buildup issues (Toyota had this issue on some of their hybrids in the early 2010's), among other things due to the engine running under less load, running cooler, and starting and stopping regularly. Makes more sense to put it on the Gas 6.8/7.3 and use it to fill torque.
Not sure I'd want a serial operation on a vehicle like this either. If you did it, you'd have to have a large battery, and use a lot of it for a buffer. Even then, your fuel economy at sustained speeds (highway) wouldn't be as good as just running it in parallel operation. A large battery buffer would be necessary if you did serial operation because you could very well end up in a situation (especially with a large trailer) where you burn through that buffer and have to rely on converting the power from the engine to electricity then feed it back into the electric motors and you'd end up with severely reduced propulsion... At least that's been the case with every other serial hybrid that's been sold in the US market. We'll see if the new RAM Ramcharger has a large enough buffer to counteract this
@@slaytanic921I have been thinking that putting a Prius drive train in the front of a truck with a different final gear ratio to give it better low end torque and an electric motor in the back axle to assist in acceleration and braking. The Prius engine being used to both propel the vehicle as well as keep the batteries charged up.
I have a feeling Toyota might end up doing something like that in a next generation Tundra and just do away with their current power train.
that powering my house video was a fun one to make!
Give me a diesel hybrid. It would be the ultimate towing machine.
Let's hope it is a propane and E-85 capable, flex-fuel Godzilla 7.3L Powerboost.
Ultimate off-grid machine. Just add in a Starlink
This will be my first super duty when it finally comes out. Just gotta nurse my 17 f150 along.
Why don’t people talk about the pto capability of the F250. A nice sized generator can reasonably be added to one of these beauties, with a reasonable amount of work, if you make sure you order the pto option. At least, to the best of my understanding, unless things have change.
Iv look into it. The transfer case gets in the way for the regular truck You have ordered a chassis cab. Then it can be done. . It also cost a lot like $1000 per kilowatt. The smallest is 10k . It is not practical for most people. I' use my truck for work and I couldn't justify it.
I think the future is plug-in eletric with an onboard generator like the ram charger. It will be easier to support long term and give you 100% electric motor torque. If ford can do that with an updatable infotainment system/computer it will keep them king of trucks.
That's what I've been waiting for
Stone Grey Metallic is my favorite Super Duty color. Was sad to see it go.
Absolutely they should add a power boost high power generator system to the superduty line. Those will be so awesome on Consrtuction sites where there may be no power. They wont be able to keep them in stock.
Biggest question is which powertrain will Ford use for a Superduty hybrid...the 7.3, the 6.8, or something else?
Oakville...driven past that Ford plant few times..last time was in buddy's 73' Thunderbird 5 yrs ago
A Diesel with Propane injection the engine runs quieter cleaner and more power. I had it on my jeep liberty Diesel the more turbo pressure the more propane
When can I buy a ford
F 550 in a platinum trim. Just like a ram 5500.
An all electric Excursion would be so cool!
No don’t do the excursion like that 😭
2 questions:
1. Do you think they will continue the production of the Raptor R for 2025?
2. Do you think they will have a hybrid Raptor for 2025/2026?
Make sure LED headlights comes standard all models Same way like the f-150 before 2030 of 2050.
If you had to chose between 7.3 with twin turbos or 7.3 hybrid which one you’d choose? Can’t cheat and say both.
I’d say it would be a supercharger not turbos if ford went this route only because they worked directly with a few aftermarket companies to do the shift and fuel maps for the supercharger kit on the 7.3. I think they probably already have tested supercharged 7.3’s and are waiting for the market to shift that direction. I also believe ram will have the turbo Cummins gas as an option.
Hybrid. The 7.3 is already very capable. It doesn't need more power, but a hybrid would provide power, mpg, and utility while turbo would only provide power.
Turbo charger
How will it impact payload is my question.
It ought to be. I have a rav4 prime, it’s got 300hp 0-60 in 5 seconds and gets over the epa 42mpg. Why not save money on gas by switching to electric at idle and slow speeds?
Does this mean they are going to discontinue the diesel engine?
Hopefully the hybrid will be available to the public and not just fleet vehicles like the explorer
I wish Ford would do a series hybrid like the ramcharger Dodge is making next year
7.3L Godzilla PHEV
The hybrid option is a great idea for the Superduty trucks, it greatly improves around town and in traffic efficiency. Something these big beasts really need.
If be down for a 7.3 powerboost. My 2018 powerstroke is probably my last diesel
Will be great.
When Ford FINALLY manufactures a true exhaust brake- IT WILL BE PERFECT!!!
They have had the technology to do this for a while but didn't want to but if y'all are after a different type of fuel that you can use right now! Yo can get these trucks in a CNG aka compressed natural gas/ propane only downside is that the fuel mileage sucks!!
This is the only logically next step forward for light duty diesel’s. Diesel electric has been the way to go for locomotives for decades.
So, no series hybrid with turbine powering a generator with electric motive power? That would be optimal.
Turbine power was used by GE on locomotives for a few years, it produced incredible power but was inefficient, noisy and the exhaust generated too much heat.
That’s good only if they’re adding it as an engine option. But to take away the power stroke and Godzilla then that’s not gonna work.
Hybrid diesel is the best. Can power my slide in camper and not need a generator
Oh these comments gonna be interesting.
We cannot wait.
As long as not full EV, comments won't probably get that interesting. Actually, a diesel hybrid is probably a dream for a lot of HD guys, though a gas-hybrid would be nice.
Pro power onboard is already available with an alternator upgrade
yes but its only 2000kw, 7.2kw.
Yes please make the 7.3 a twin turbo hybrid
I had the 3.5 before in my the F150
I would buy F350 in this version
It's possible they have light and more energy dense batteries for the XDs... Just another theory.
I don’t know why they don’t use the 2.7L engine in the F150 power boost. It would free up a little weight for a bigger battery.
The weight difference between 2.7 and 3.5 is only 9 pounds
@@AK_Ray I think people miss the fact they're both V6 engines. The displacement difference is fairly small.
It makes sense given that 2/3 of people who buy hd trucks actually don’t even tow or haul anything that requires such a truck ie pavement princess.
We can’t forget about all the hate when hybrid first was introduced😂 especially when it came to those that were ragging on Toyota. But hey, I guess if you can’t beat them, join them and it’s better than going all electric. 🤷♂️
The first gen hybrids were much less powerful than competing vehicles, with 30 second 0-60 times; that’s where the hate comes from, and people still hate the hybrids which have no power.
The new generation of hybrids in many vehicles are much more potent, and in cases such as the F150, are actually more powerful than their ICE equivalent. That’s why they are seeing much more acceptance.
People made fun of 3-wheel vehicles for decades, and now people love them. Why? Because the 3-wheel vehicles that were ridiculed and the 3-wheeled vehicles that are loved are COMPLETELY different.
it is like that with all new tech. People were against fuel injection, air bags, seat belts, abs,etc
If it has super strong regen for down hill performance I am down.
what about a diesel generator and electric drivetrain
The BYD Shark does this except with a gas motor. If you're just running a generator, why fool with the emissions headache of a diesel? Big advantage is the transmission becomes way simpler, one speed and no reverse.
I hope Ford joins forces with Edison Motors and make a diesel powered ev super duty.
Curious
Did Ford ever fix the 7.3 cam and lifter issues? No one can confirm this.
Il be an HD version of the F150 hybrid with a gas motor. My guess 7.3L
V8 + hybrid in f150 and f250 = that is what I really need, not those biturbo engines
there is a good chance that the next gen f150 is hybrid only with a BEV option
Screw the hybrid, drill baby drill!
homer simpsons on tfl holy shit
Not new. GMC/Chevrolet did this a while back in 2021....although Ford did have hybrids for the 6.2 BOSS V8 in 2018....
Which model did GM do?
i hope they dont go hybrid my 2023 f250 has been a pos since i bought it. powersteering hose blown rear end rebuilt because bad bearing muffler replaced because a baffle broke and the computer had a bad update and this is all in the first 4000 miles and sat on a lift for 2 months for back ordered parts worst experince of my life
😮
Those were the c19 shortage years where corners were cut on almost all autos.
Maybe 5.0l with electric motor or 3.5l
At first glance I thought it was a duramax
Ford ruining the grill again I see, it looks like a giant F150 instead of Superduty.
my 95 f150 and 96 f250 are literally the same cab
Would be interesting to see Ford exploring more fuel agnostic power stroke/other engines and hybrids
If hydrogen fuel was more available I could see it.
Hydrogen is 3x more expensive per gallon of gas equivalent.
@@JD-yx7be no surprise given how much energy is needed to produce, store, and transport it. It's better for industrial uses and maybe shipping.
Hello unreliability here we come. I don't know if I hybrid is even worthwhile in a commercial setting.
edison motors
Andre packing on the pounds 😮
These two have no chemistry, that young dude sucks
What is the matter with you, are you even a grownup?
He’s right it’s weird 😂😂😂😂
@@Hoxworth73 Maybe, but who is raised to insult people they don’t know? Everybody today, I guess. But I bet he doesn’t speak to people that way in real life.
@@garysarratt1 huh you mad bro?
@@Hoxworth73 Not mad, just appalled at how people act sometimes.
Hybrid junk
If it is it won’t work