I used to play to hell out of the Saturn version. Me and my buddy had Netlinks and we used to play for hours. Considering it was a 28k baud modem it was impressive how little it suffered from lag. Sega was ahead of its time again.
that's cool. if only Sega didn't stop making systems they probably could have still been able to compete with Nintendo and Sony... and Microsoft too, of course.
I actually miss these kinds of ports where every system got something different and a little unique. Now all ports are the same on all systems with the slight difference usually just being frame rate or resolution
I'd agree however they would have different online options with the xbox version usually getting the best service. The playstation has a wide range of online options for its ports - some for the better while others are very lacking. And finally the wii u/wii usually will have some great content with filtering for adult content - like they wouldn't have chat but will have pre-existing phrases to use as well as sometimes permitting just friends for joining with its friend's codes.
systems have gotten more powerful, no need to rebuild a game, since if a game runs on one console in a generation, it'll run on another console in that same generation. the most change you'll get these days is resolution and censorship.
I don't miss it. I hated having to decide which version I could get since I couldn't afford to get multiple. And the few times that I could get more than one, I hated the fact that I had to play multiple versions just to get all of the good stuff. Just give me one with all of the best parts put together.
Batistadx4 Yeah but he's more of a pc guy. He does know some console stuff but it's hit or miss in that dept. Still would have been nice assuming he had good knowledge of these ports though.
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Netlink games on Saturn connected directly to the other player, no server or ISP middle-men, as such it is online as long as you got two Saturns on a landline
If you and your friend both have analog phone lines and of course 2 Saturns, 2 copies of Duke and 2 Netlink moderns, very doable. Otherwise a phone line emulator will work.
This also goes for the other NetLink titles, such as Daytona CCE, Sega Rally, Virtual On, and Saturn Bomberman... if you both still have landlines, NetLink peripheral, and hopefully live within the same region to not suffer from terrible lag. It’s not really “online” play, more a direct lan connection through the phone lines, as it just asks you to input a phone number of the other player for it to work.
Nick Pelling was the guy who ported the game to the PS1, Aardvark was basically just him I think. He designed the extra levels himself too I believe. This was a real struggle of a port apparently..
Uhh, Duke Burger wasn't an N64-exclusive level. It was E4M2 of Duke 3D Atomic Edition. It just happened to also appear in the N64 version as a secret level.
Duke 3D is so kid friendly, that I actually grew up with it. I like his character in that one because he's more focused on kicking butt and saving the day than anything else. And the lack of music just made the game haunting. Seeing all those blood splats on the wall made me think I was the last human on Earth.
Yes, small pronunciation tip for Derek and those not in the know: in German, you bite into W's. So a W is often a V sound. Making it 'Zvei'. Secondary School German continues to float around my head. Great vid anyway.
Nice to see some appreciation for the Saturn version. Seems to be one of those games recently that's cool to hate, but I often wonder how many people have actually played it. Really solid example of the game, all things considered. And DUDE. You need a second controller, ASAP. Death Tank Zwei is probably some of the best multiplayer fun you will have from that gen (especially with more than two people). *edit: Wanted to toss in something about the Netlink, too (it's probably already been said, but whatever). It was simply direct dial--not "online" in the way we know online gaming today. I.e., you didn't go out and connect to a managing server, it was simply peer-to-peer. So, as long as you know someone with a Saturn, you both have Netlinks and functional dedicated phone lines, you should still be able to use it today. From personal experience, it worked pretty well. I played this and Virtual On: Netlink Edition with a couple of locals back in the day, along with a few long-distance folks as well. We always felt it was such a shame they didn't add Netlink support into Quake, as Duke in particular was a blast. Although in hindsight, with how bad the collision detection is on Quake, maybe it wouldn't have been that great after all.
I loved tormenting all my friends in multiplayer in that game, didn't matter if they decided to team up and gang up on me 3 on 1, I'd boobie trap the shit outta the level and run around throwing pipe bombs like a mad bomber
If I recall correctly, the PS1 version of Duke Nukem was actually an emulated version of the original game? That would explain the poor performance. The alien babes were clearly a reference to the Aliens films, by the way. The "kill me..." dialogue should make that obvious!
No it had its own specific engine and new episode exclusive.the pc version is more advanced with its build engine It’s the most similar to pc astheticaly tho. I liked the link up option
The PSX version is indeed a direct port running the Build engine in software, thats why it runs so poorly. You could call that "emulated" i guess...its not using any engine of any kind tailored to PSX for the mere fact that is not a 3D engine, and the PSX cannot run the Build engine natively on its slow CPU.
You can still play online in the saturn version of duke. You just need the netlink and an active landline and someone else with a copy of duke and a netlink
Yup. There also a new broadband option that isnt perfect but check it out on the Dreamcast forums. I still have my Duke Saturn Netlink video on my channel from 2009
Along with John Lineman's Duke Nukem 3D DF Retro episode, this is one of the best videos that focuses on the console ports of the game. Well done Derek ;-)
I think we need to acknowledged the elephant in the room: if he doesn't have a 2nd saturn controller then WHY THEN DOES HE HAVE A SATURN MULTITAP? I've got like 4 Saturn controllers including a 3D but even I don't have a multitap.
While it's weird to take the multi-tap (or more aptly multiplayer adapter or multi terminal) without also taking another controller, it's not that uncommon a device. What a person has is probably more about priorities. I have 8 saturn controllers and 3 mice but no 3d controller for example.
The Saturn really wasn't online. It was more like making a phone call to another Saturn. It still works today if you and a friend both have Duke and net link
Saturn was the most impressive achievement just for how good it looks on such low end hardware... N64 was the coolest though, not only for playing better than other versions but for being the most diferente version from PC. I had the PC version at the time and playing the N64 version was a joy just for the differences... day light levels, new enemies sprites, new weapons etc... lots of new stuff to see as oppose to a straight port
Fair, especially since it did also allow you to save the women, which is a BIG positive. I'd say it's only a draw between those two ports, because even with the extra features, the lack of music does increase the chance of inevitable boredom.
You can play duke nukem 3d for the Saturn online still in 2020. You need a VoIP device.... OR a line simulator, 2 saturn, 2 modems, 2 copies of duke and 2 tv, with that you can play co-op mode or deathmatch in your house with a friend without connecting to internet . I do a review of the game with the 2 players mode on my channel this weekend
i have the saturn version and oh man, apart from the controls, it probably runs better than the pc version. It's simply gorgeous and the graphic it's fantastic for the times. And yes you can still play it online :)
I like all versions of duke 3d. Platstation and n64 are my favorites but I have fond memories of the sega saturn version. The n64 duke game is probably my favorite out of all. The overall feel of the game was interesting and is different than the others.
Oh man! The PS1 Version! I have a very cherished memory of this game! We actually used two Playstations and linked them via the Lan-Cable so this was actually my first Shooter Multiplayer Experience! In Hollywood Hollocaust there is a Window you can fly through, she can't inside from outside but outside from the inside to shoot (The room with the TV and the Chaingun) my Friend randomly found that secret room and started shooting at me. I couldn't tell where he was shooting from, so I used the Jetpack and fly so high he couldn't see me anymore, he was like :"Oh you gotta come down sometime" since the Jetpack as a limited use, so I did this: I picked the Holoduke and spawned it in the air, causing it to fall down, making a fake Scream to trick him my Jetpack ran out, he shoot at the Holoduke with the RPG thus I knew where he was sitting and in return shoot rockets in the tiny secret room, killing him, I never felt so badass before XD
One note for the N64 version if you haven't found it out yet is that you can change the control scheme to move/strafe using the four C buttons and look/aim with the analog stick. With this setup it becomes much easier to move, jump, and shoot at the same time.
Johnny Takigero , a little but but as US gun owner I think I'd rather have the porn shop , it's more true to the spirit of the original game , same for the church even though I am agnostic.
I mean, if they'd be too scared to put a gun shop into a first person *shooter,* that would be even more backwards and bizarre than anything. A game where you blow the ever living shit out of aliens with shotguns, rockets and chainguns being too scared to put a gun store in there sounds like a satirical statement on censorship culture.
Johnny Takigero 'Murican censorship logic - "A shop selling instruments of pleasure? Ew, change it to a shop selling instruments of death, much more wholesome."
Saturn version is waaaaaaaaaaaay better that the PS1, just try putting a lot of laser trip mines around on both versions - PS1 crawls along, Saturn keeps on rocking.
@@Jacktrack7 Though censorship of any kind is annoying, it really didn't effect 90% of the game. The lack of music was probably a bigger deal in the N64 version. Having said that, the N64 version is better than the other two versions by far. You can play 2 player co-op through the entire campaign with no need for multiple systems, copies of game, etc. The deathmatch was okay to dick around on from time to time, but the gunplay was far too shallow to put it in the same league as Golden Eye or Perfect Dark.
It comes at a cost, the engine used for Duke 3D means the levels were mercilessly butchered and the features you'd come to expect from the Build Engine are gone. Say goodbye to subway trains, moving gears, etc. The water also looks terrible and turning is a little nausea inducing.
Death Tank was crazy fun. I remember playing it without needing the tap and just having two Saturn controllers. You could get air strikes and the ability to fly or machine gun power ups by getting points. Had some great times with that mini game and my friends.
6:13 and in 2018 the Sony start censoring erotic content from games, and the Nintendo stopped censorship third party games. So Nintendo goes from the worst censor to normal, Sony becoming the worst censor.
The Sega Saturn version is the definite winner for me. I do not know how functional connection to the internet could have been, but it sure was an impressive achievement for the developers at that time. And the inclusion of Death Tank Zwei as an unlockable is also nice. Lobotomy did it again.
The Saturn was the clear winner for me. I own it on the N64, PC and Saturn, and it comes extremely close on the Saturn to the PC version. Absolutely brilliant game that I still love playing to this day. The N64 version was good, but I just didn't like the game as much as the original levels. It was still good though. How people can say that the PSX version was any good, or worse still, better than the Saturn version beggars belief! I flat refused to buy it after playing the Saturn version and reading various reviews, but my sister's then boyfriend bought it and I laughed at the comparison. He, like a lot of people unfortunately, decided to slate the Saturn version, just because it was on the Saturn. I honestly felt Doom on the PSX is better than the Duke conversion (don't even mention Saturn Doom!). The fact that the PSX didn't get a Quake conversion spoke volumes. I thought that Quake was excellent on the Saturn, despite its limitations compared to the PC. You really needed the Nights pad to play Duke and Quake properly via the Jevons control method, as the lack of free look on the normal pad was a bit irritating. The Saturn, when developers took the time and effort like Lobotomy and Team Andromeda, was the equal of the PSX at the very least, if not better (before anyone accuses me of bias, I own both machines, plus the 64). Unfortunately, developers couldn't be bothered half the time, so they got some dodgy conversions of PSX originals.
Love your show Derek, but come on... no second Saturn controller? Wtf. You invest so much time and work into these videos, but buying or borrowing (!) a second controller is too much?
+andersdenkend hahaha this is the one thing everyone's sticking on. we have extra saturn controllers and a 3d pad but all they're just in storage in another state. not going to bother buying new one's we'll grab them again at christmas.
I remember having my dad play Duke 3D on his PC, I would call it kick butt for some reason... but I primarily played it on the N64 so that's been my favorite! I've enjoyed the steam and PS4's release of the game as well though
@@mindfreek454 Yeah how dare he not be German? More people need to be German and know that "zwei" means 2 *-This comment is sarcastic, do not take it seriously in any way-*
You can still use Nerlink to play Duke 3D Saturn online. You just have to set it for direct dial and then you call a buddy's Saturn and you can play 2 player deathmatches
Duke Nukem 64 was my first FPS. Played it at my friend's house (I was the Sega guy XD). I might have been too young for the game but (as in, still in elementary)... well, the friend was even younger XD
Awesome episode. I'm a pretty big fan of duke nukem, and that largely started from getting duke nukem 64 when I was young. It was definitely a mainstay in the rotation of games I would play with friends. That saturn port looks pretty amazing though, I was impressed with the lighting in the cinema foyer footage
The n64 controller was perfect, yellow buttons for movement then using the stick for aiming. So much fun to play with 4 friends & PLASMA CANNON yes thanks? The design changes on the maps/PC are indeed a nerf but it makes total sense, why would there be a stripclub in a factory, loading bay fits better from a logic point of view. Why would there be a wooden church in "guantanamo bay"?
Like most people, I only played this on the PC but it's good to know that the ports were pretty good as well. I'll have to try them out sometime. I always loved Duke Nukem 3D.
Since you showed 2 Slave-Driver engine games, are you considering Lobotomy Software's 'magnum opus' Powerslave (Exhumed) for review? Its a fun game with a soft-metroid feel. It even has 2 interesting PC ports, a DOS 'port' (That uses duke 3d's engine) and a incomplete one by the man who ported Torok 1 and 2 for PC (Called Powerslave EX)! You can also talk about the SNES, Sega Genesis, and Sega Saturn's use of Xband for online play. I think you can even play Saturn's Duke Nukem 3D online today using a direct connection by dial up between two Xband equiped Sega Saturns.
I like to play obscure old games (including recently playing Daikatana and being positively surprised by it) and it seems Powerslave is next in my list along Terminator Future Shock
Played a lot of the PC version as a kid. When I got the N64 port, I actually liked all the weird censorship changes they made to levels because it made a lot of the levels seem really fresh. The 2nd level had the Duke Burger section that didn't exist at all in the PC one. There's this one level way later on with some subway trains that has a completely different layout. There were new secrets and all kinds of added detail everywhere, it was awesome.
Just discovered your channel by this video! I love port comparisons... as a youngster in the 80s and 90s I thought I was the only one who could "detect" these differences... I suggest you take a look at "Cinematic Platformers". These games were interesting / stood out against contemporaries like Mario and Sonic, came out on a variety of systems, each adding / removing / cropping etc along the way. - Which IS the definitive version of "Another World" ("Out of this World" in the USA), or "Flashback: The Quest for Identity", or "Prince of Persia"...
Fun and informative video. I just bought a Saturn NetLink to play this game (and others) online, since Sega Saturn online play has been around for the past few years actually without requiring an analog phone service anymore. The Saturn version supports both 2 player online campaign CO-OP and one-vs-one online deathmatch. I hope one day you buy the Saturn NetLink and try it out, and make a long video about it! I'd love to watch it!
Its incredibly easy to play saturn netlink games. If you still have an analog home phone line you can just dial in, or if you use a specific voip adapter you can dial by ip and play. Works great!
DuckAlert Beats Then you probably tested the PlayStation and Nintendo 64 versions but not the Sega Saturn version since that one was published by Sega (and thus, in Europe it was released by Sega Europe) and GT Interactive did nothing with that version aside from licensing its development/publishing rights to Sega for them to handle it.
Sega of Europe was fucking badass in the 90s. They basically gave the middle finger to Sega of Japan and released a lot of awesome titles for the Saturn as first party games.
The Saturn Duke Nukem really impressed me when i chucked it on recently. hadn't played it for years. it's so smooth in a way hardly any FPS games of that era were. The weird way it sways as you turn can be a bit disorienting at first but other than that it's real nice to play.
So, um. That's not how you pronounce "zwei" (which is the German word for "two"). The "ei" vowel cluster is pronounced kinda like the English word "eye" rather than like "ey."
Definitely glad someone else got to this first, this should be top comment so that when he can finally cover the game, he pronounces it right, lol. No hate, just a bit of a stickler on proper pronunciation. :P
There's Nothing Like a Game Random german here passing by. Very interesting to see the german word "zwei" written in English pronunciation. That'll help me next time a friend asks me how to pronounce. :D
I have the ps1 version, I would only play it for the plug and pray campaign. Duke Nukem World Tour would be my first choice now for main game and also includes the unique campaign. Although Megaton edition has probably the best package as it included the three expansions. Now all we need is a ultimate megaton world tour plug and pray edition.
When my brothers and I discovered Death Tank, our minds were blown! You're absolutely missing out, having not played it. It's one of the best party games out there, and very underrated.
Did Derek just say he had the multi-tap for the Saturn… but not a second controller? Lol, okay then. Good to see they’ve got their priorities straight.
If you're using the Saturn 3D controller and you use the alternate controls "code" , your items are on the D-pad instead of the pause menu. The only game I know of that enables the analog stick and D-pad at the same time.
I really love the N64 port, mostly because the grenade launcher rewarded repeat playthroughs. If you know where enemies are you can ricochet of walls for some stylish kills.
The Sega Netlink Actually still works. All you need is two Saturn players who still have landlines. The Netlink's multiplayer functionality was never service-based, meaning you never needed to dial up to a server for it to work. You just need to dial the number of the other player.
Very good video as usual, Derek! I very much agree with you that they're all great ports, but I believe the PS1 has considerably the worst port of the three. I mean, let's be honest; the wacky framerate is hard and annoying to deal with, going from 60 fps down to 5 fps, or sometimes even lower than that. Anyone who's willing to go through that (not to mention succeeds at it) deserves respect. Besides, without the quicksave, the game could have been notably even more cumbersome, like you said, so of the three ports that need quicksaving the most, Total Meltdown easily takes the cake. Shoutout to the guys who were in Aardvark Software (RIP) for adding it. Duke Nukem 3D Saturn and Duke Nukem 64 are both excellent conversions, and I honestly can't put a stamp to officially declare which one is better. So, yeah. For all the pros and cons of what they have to offer, a tie is most appropriate.👍🏽
You know, as much as I miss the retro game reviews, Punching Weight is probably the best show on this channel. So much neat shit gets featured. But another retro game review every now and then would be a nice treat.
Every time I watch a SSFF video I can't help but think of those feeble red skeletons in Castlevania, shambling along, trying to live their lives-- _"Let them fight."_
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I used to play to hell out of the Saturn version. Me and my buddy had Netlinks and we used to play for hours. Considering it was a 28k baud modem it was impressive how little it suffered from lag. Sega was ahead of its time again.
that's cool. if only Sega didn't stop making systems they probably could have still been able to compete with Nintendo and Sony... and Microsoft too, of course.
Sega did what nintendon’t
both had the xband for their 16 bit systems tho
@@justinchannel128 Lol who cares Sega sucks now
GazB Yeah. It’s a device for Genesis/SNES that allows for online play.
I actually miss these kinds of ports where every system got something different and a little unique. Now all ports are the same on all systems with the slight difference usually just being frame rate or resolution
I'd agree however they would have different online options with the xbox version usually getting the best service. The playstation has a wide range of online options for its ports - some for the better while others are very lacking. And finally the wii u/wii usually will have some great content with filtering for adult content - like they wouldn't have chat but will have pre-existing phrases to use as well as sometimes permitting just friends for joining with its friend's codes.
systems have gotten more powerful, no need to rebuild a game, since if a game runs on one console in a generation, it'll run on another console in that same generation. the most change you'll get these days is resolution and censorship.
I don't miss it. I hated having to decide which version I could get since I couldn't afford to get multiple. And the few times that I could get more than one, I hated the fact that I had to play multiple versions just to get all of the good stuff.
Just give me one with all of the best parts put together.
@@orinanime But sometimes it brings some nice "Versions", like Daikatana, Perfect Dark and Metal Gear Solid on the Gameboy Color.
@@Azuris190 yeah... portable ports aren't really what I'm talking about though
Should've gotten LGR to cameo, he absolutely loves Duke and probably could've shared some cool stories about the game ports.
Batistadx4 Yeah but he's more of a pc guy. He does know some console stuff but it's hit or miss in that dept. Still would have been nice assuming he had good knowledge of these ports though.
Agreed
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Netlink games on Saturn connected directly to the other player, no server or ISP middle-men, as such it is online as long as you got two Saturns on a landline
And long distance bills lol... I remember playing Duke3d with someone across the country in like 1996. Thank god they were the ones that called me....
I'm here to talk about Duken Nukem ports and stop skeletons from fighting.
And i'm all out of skeletons.
Well, mission accomplished! Skeletons have stopped fighting because there are no more skeletons!
luckily for you, *skeletons are a renewable resource*
d u k e n
I'm quite sure you can still play Duke Saturn online, I think there's videos on RUclips showing how to do it even to this day
N64 Glenn Plant Yea there is!
N64 Glenn Plant It involves a LOT of jiggery pokery but it's do-able.
If you and your friend both have analog phone lines and of course 2 Saturns, 2 copies of Duke and 2 Netlink moderns, very doable. Otherwise a phone line emulator will work.
fk can even play 007 online with mupen 64 lol
This also goes for the other NetLink titles, such as Daytona CCE, Sega Rally, Virtual On, and Saturn Bomberman... if you both still have landlines, NetLink peripheral, and hopefully live within the same region to not suffer from terrible lag. It’s not really “online” play, more a direct lan connection through the phone lines, as it just asks you to input a phone number of the other player for it to work.
Nick Pelling was the guy who ported the game to the PS1, Aardvark was basically just him I think. He designed the extra levels himself too I believe. This was a real struggle of a port apparently..
Uhh, Duke Burger wasn't an N64-exclusive level. It was E4M2 of Duke 3D Atomic Edition. It just happened to also appear in the N64 version as a secret level.
Yep
It was exclusive to the consoles
@@jhkuno88 No, it wasn't. As stated above it was in the expansion pack of Duke 3D. It was just a secret level in Duke 64.
@@RetroDeathReviews666 It was exclusive AMONGST THE CONSOLE PORTS, thats what i was saying.
@Jhkuno 88 ah, yeah :P
I grew up and still have my complete copy of Duke Nukem 64 since Christmas of 1997 and it's still my preferred version.
Duke 3D is so kid friendly, that I actually grew up with it. I like his character in that one because he's more focused on kicking butt and saving the day than anything else. And the lack of music just made the game haunting. Seeing all those blood splats on the wall made me think I was the last human on Earth.
cool man, i grew up playing the pc and n64 versions. man being 6 and seeing all the mature stuff was great
@@dansalmon269890s and 2000s were great times for video games
"Zwei" is the German word for "two", meaning the name of the Saturn version's bonus game was "Death Tank 2", which makes sense, as it's a sequel.
Yes, small pronunciation tip for Derek and those not in the know: in German, you bite into W's. So a W is often a V sound. Making it 'Zvei'.
Secondary School German continues to float around my head. Great vid anyway.
HAHA Zwei!
@@lsadin2457 ...What?
@@TyroKitsune Yeah, it's pronounced more like Zvi.
Another Sega Saturn Zwei I have...PANZER DRAGOOOOON ZWEI BABY!
Nice to see some appreciation for the Saturn version. Seems to be one of those games recently that's cool to hate, but I often wonder how many people have actually played it. Really solid example of the game, all things considered. And DUDE. You need a second controller, ASAP. Death Tank Zwei is probably some of the best multiplayer fun you will have from that gen (especially with more than two people).
*edit: Wanted to toss in something about the Netlink, too (it's probably already been said, but whatever). It was simply direct dial--not "online" in the way we know online gaming today. I.e., you didn't go out and connect to a managing server, it was simply peer-to-peer. So, as long as you know someone with a Saturn, you both have Netlinks and functional dedicated phone lines, you should still be able to use it today.
From personal experience, it worked pretty well. I played this and Virtual On: Netlink Edition with a couple of locals back in the day, along with a few long-distance folks as well. We always felt it was such a shame they didn't add Netlink support into Quake, as Duke in particular was a blast. Although in hindsight, with how bad the collision detection is on Quake, maybe it wouldn't have been that great after all.
I love that Derek has a multi-tap for the Saturn but only one controller. Never change.
Duke Nukem 3D is obviously the best on Game.Com
wielkus It is nice how the machine was called gamecom but they f it up to game.com
NPMdev who are you to say they fucked up the name? You don’t work at tiger, you don’t know shit.
Nah, it was the gizmondo that was best. Game com was a mediocre piece of shit compared to the gizmondo version.
As good as Goldeneye was, Duke Nukem 64 was the couch coop game to go for back in 90s.
Saturn version also had coop as well via the netlink option.
You said brother.
Yeah back in the day, go in for your buddy get Duke out and blast it all night. Sweet childhood memories.
I loved tormenting all my friends in multiplayer in that game, didn't matter if they decided to team up and gang up on me 3 on 1, I'd boobie trap the shit outta the level and run around throwing pipe bombs like a mad bomber
Perfect Dark also had co-op and I'd rather play that one over it.
9:33 actually, it totally is. It's peer-to-peer, so as long as you have a landline and someone to play it with, you're golden.
If I recall correctly, the PS1 version of Duke Nukem was actually an emulated version of the original game?
That would explain the poor performance.
The alien babes were clearly a reference to the Aliens films, by the way. The "kill me..." dialogue should make that obvious!
No it had its own specific engine and new episode exclusive.the pc version is more advanced with its build engine It’s the most similar to pc astheticaly tho. I liked the link up option
The PSX version is indeed a direct port running the Build engine in software, thats why it runs so poorly. You could call that "emulated" i guess...its not using any engine of any kind tailored to PSX for the mere fact that is not a 3D engine, and the PSX cannot run the Build engine natively on its slow CPU.
I always play Duke without music, the ambient sounds is enough for me.
You can still play online in the saturn version of duke. You just need the netlink and an active landline and someone else with a copy of duke and a netlink
Yup. There also a new broadband option that isnt perfect but check it out on the Dreamcast forums. I still have my Duke Saturn Netlink video on my channel from 2009
Gotta make sure that land line is a traditional analog phone line. Newer VOIP lines won't work.
Along with John Lineman's Duke Nukem 3D DF Retro episode, this is one of the best videos that focuses on the console ports of the game. Well done Derek ;-)
You own a Saturn with no 2nd controller OR 3d pad? Dude what the hell?
MaxSonic I prefer the 3D pad over the other one, it's better than the dreamcast controller imo and they're similar in design.
MaxSonic indeed. Its not like they are expensive to get. Most Saturn games boxed cost more than those.
+MaxSonic we do, they're just in storage in another state. could only grab so much last time we were back.
I think we need to acknowledged the elephant in the room: if he doesn't have a 2nd saturn controller then WHY THEN DOES HE HAVE A SATURN MULTITAP? I've got like 4 Saturn controllers including a 3D but even I don't have a multitap.
While it's weird to take the multi-tap (or more aptly multiplayer adapter or multi terminal) without also taking another controller, it's not that uncommon a device. What a person has is probably more about priorities. I have 8 saturn controllers and 3 mice but no 3d controller for example.
The Saturn really wasn't online. It was more like making a phone call to another Saturn. It still works today if you and a friend both have Duke and net link
LOL that's literally what online was back before broadband.
Before dedicated servers the only online mutiplayer was peer to peer.
It's more pure online that having to rely on 3rd parties . . . .
Saturn was the most impressive achievement just for how good it looks on such low end hardware... N64 was the coolest though, not only for playing better than other versions but for being the most diferente version from PC. I had the PC version at the time and playing the N64 version was a joy just for the differences... day light levels, new enemies sprites, new weapons etc... lots of new stuff to see as oppose to a straight port
Na, the lack of music ruins it tbh
The N64 is by far the best version....its only normal as its the much more powerful console....if you want music use your CD player
I would agree with the N64 version being the coolest if only it had the music, makes the game feels super lifeless without it.
@Spewa-em8cm I sure as hell didn't even hear the sound effects over the laghter and chatter with my friends playing it in split screen couch coop.
Fair, especially since it did also allow you to save the women, which is a BIG positive. I'd say it's only a draw between those two ports, because even with the extra features, the lack of music does increase the chance of inevitable boredom.
Dude, Duke Nukem 64 was a long-ass game, I'm impressed by the fact the PSX version is longer.
You can play duke nukem 3d for the Saturn online still in 2020. You need a VoIP device.... OR a line simulator, 2 saturn, 2 modems, 2 copies of duke and 2 tv, with that you can play co-op mode or deathmatch in your house with a friend without connecting to internet . I do a review of the game with the 2 players mode on my channel this weekend
i have the saturn version and oh man, apart from the controls, it probably runs better than the pc version. It's simply gorgeous and the graphic it's fantastic for the times. And yes you can still play it online :)
Yes it essentially just phoned another Saturn
I like all versions of duke 3d. Platstation and n64 are my favorites but I have fond memories of the sega saturn version. The n64 duke game is probably my favorite out of all. The overall feel of the game was interesting and is different than the others.
You did a great job with and you were very fair in your assessment of each version.
Oh man! The PS1 Version! I have a very cherished memory of this game!
We actually used two Playstations and linked them via the Lan-Cable so this was actually my first Shooter Multiplayer Experience! In Hollywood Hollocaust there is a Window you can fly through, she can't inside from outside but outside from the inside to shoot (The room with the TV and the Chaingun) my Friend randomly found that secret room and started shooting at me. I couldn't tell where he was shooting from, so I used the Jetpack and fly so high he couldn't see me anymore, he was like :"Oh you gotta come down sometime" since the Jetpack as a limited use, so I did this: I picked the Holoduke and spawned it in the air, causing it to fall down, making a fake Scream to trick him my Jetpack ran out, he shoot at the Holoduke with the RPG thus I knew where he was sitting and in return shoot rockets in the tiny secret room, killing him, I never felt so badass before XD
That pretty much sums up the kind of insanity FPSes used to have 20 years ago, bck when FPSes were good.
Heat the Dragon - Let's Plays und anderer Trash Duke would approve.
Actually, playing Duke Saturn online is still possible. The netlink still works because it direct dials
Man I love the guns in the 64 version, they added a wide variety to the fun factor of the game.
#SaveTheBabes
#MakeDukeGreatAgain
Stephen O'Brien true
TheHeroOfTomorrow amen bro, amen!
Those alien scum gonna pay for destroying my ride!
duke 64 is the best duke game ever, rebuilt on n64 with extra weapons and weapon types (explosive shotgun rounds were epic)
6:56 Kill the animals, save the babes
*kill the aliens
I actually like how quiet the N64 version is. I remember reading they couldn't fit all the music into the N64 version.
It’s just music in fact it’s unrealistic and annoying I just turn it off with every game I can
@@jeffo83 That's a shame, you're missing alot of good stuff then lol
@@jeffo83 This is the kind of comment I bring up when people say there is no wrong way to play video games.
Early N64 carts lacked the disc space. Had Duke Nukem 64 came out 2 or 3 years later it may had gotten all of the music.
One note for the N64 version if you haven't found it out yet is that you can change the control scheme to move/strafe using the four C buttons and look/aim with the analog stick. With this setup it becomes much easier to move, jump, and shoot at the same time.
"Save the babes, it's what Duke would want."
But I'm a babe though...
"Save the babes, Phantom."
Y-yes sir Mister Nukem sir! (;u;)7
Wait, a sex shop is bad but gun shops are okay? I'm showing my Europeanness with that question aren't I? XD
Johnny Takigero , a little but but as US gun owner I think I'd rather have the porn shop , it's more true to the spirit of the original game , same for the church even though I am agnostic.
I mean, if they'd be too scared to put a gun shop into a first person *shooter,* that would be even more backwards and bizarre than anything. A game where you blow the ever living shit out of aliens with shotguns, rockets and chainguns being too scared to put a gun store in there sounds like a satirical statement on censorship culture.
DVD q
Johnny Takigero 'Murican censorship logic - "A shop selling instruments of pleasure? Ew, change it to a shop selling instruments of death, much more wholesome."
self-defense is more important than degeneracy.
I liked the PC version of course, but the N64 was so handy for playing Co-op with someone right next to you.
Saturn version is waaaaaaaaaaaay better that the PS1, just try putting a lot of laser trip mines around on both versions - PS1 crawls along, Saturn keeps on rocking.
And the censorship on the N64 is a deal breaker to me, so yeah, Saturn looks like the best version.
@@Jacktrack7 Though censorship of any kind is annoying, it really didn't effect 90% of the game. The lack of music was probably a bigger deal in the N64 version. Having said that, the N64 version is better than the other two versions by far. You can play 2 player co-op through the entire campaign with no need for multiple systems, copies of game, etc. The deathmatch was okay to dick around on from time to time, but the gunplay was far too shallow to put it in the same league as Golden Eye or Perfect Dark.
It comes at a cost, the engine used for Duke 3D means the levels were mercilessly butchered and the features you'd come to expect from the Build Engine are gone. Say goodbye to subway trains, moving gears, etc. The water also looks terrible and turning is a little nausea inducing.
Saturn version has smaller levels than PS1. PS1 levels are indentical to the PC version.
its impressive that 3 different developers made 3 different decent ports of the same game. How often did that happen in the 90s?
Death Tank was crazy fun. I remember playing it without needing the tap and just having two Saturn controllers.
You could get air strikes and the ability to fly or machine gun power ups by getting points. Had some great times with that mini game and my friends.
Would love to see an episode of Shadowgate on punching weight! Also great episode. love me some Duke Nukem 3D
6:13 and in 2018 the Sony start censoring erotic content from games, and the Nintendo stopped censorship third party games.
So Nintendo goes from the worst censor to normal, Sony becoming the worst censor.
I was at blockbuster one day, saw this game there, rented it that moment, put it in my N64, loved Duke 3D ever since.
The Sega Saturn version is the definite winner for me. I do not know how functional connection to the internet could have been, but it sure was an impressive achievement for the developers at that time. And the inclusion of Death Tank Zwei as an unlockable is also nice. Lobotomy did it again.
Yeah, it has the best compromises, while being faithful. PS1 just couldn't handle the original software engine.
Saturn WINS
the Saturn version doesn't have the original engine, but that's ok.
Kinda wish Lobotomy had done the Saturn port of Doom.
The Saturn was the clear winner for me. I own it on the N64, PC and Saturn, and it comes extremely close on the Saturn to the PC version. Absolutely brilliant game that I still love playing to this day. The N64 version was good, but I just didn't like the game as much as the original levels. It was still good though.
How people can say that the PSX version was any good, or worse still, better than the Saturn version beggars belief! I flat refused to buy it after playing the Saturn version and reading various reviews, but my sister's then boyfriend bought it and I laughed at the comparison. He, like a lot of people unfortunately, decided to slate the Saturn version, just because it was on the Saturn. I honestly felt Doom on the PSX is better than the Duke conversion (don't even mention Saturn Doom!).
The fact that the PSX didn't get a Quake conversion spoke volumes. I thought that Quake was excellent on the Saturn, despite its limitations compared to the PC. You really needed the Nights pad to play Duke and Quake properly via the Jevons control method, as the lack of free look on the normal pad was a bit irritating.
The Saturn, when developers took the time and effort like Lobotomy and Team Andromeda, was the equal of the PSX at the very least, if not better (before anyone accuses me of bias, I own both machines, plus the 64).
Unfortunately, developers couldn't be bothered half the time, so they got some dodgy conversions of PSX originals.
not enough buttons on a controller? the N64 controller nailed it, as every single button was used and appropriately mapped.
Love your show Derek, but come on... no second Saturn controller? Wtf. You invest so much time and work into these videos, but buying or borrowing (!) a second controller is too much?
+andersdenkend hahaha this is the one thing everyone's sticking on. we have extra saturn controllers and a 3d pad but all they're just in storage in another state. not going to bother buying new one's we'll grab them again at christmas.
Stop Skeletons From Fighting Alright then, let's hope Christmas comes soon enough!
i spent many good weekends on death tank. one of the best games ever. still!
Derek, did you get your controller :)?
Saturn controllers are pretty tough to find.
N64 version was an automatic fail due to censorship and no soundtrack.
great video now I wanna play some duke, I had the N64 version growing up
I remember having my dad play Duke 3D on his PC, I would call it kick butt for some reason... but I primarily played it on the N64 so that's been my favorite! I've enjoyed the steam and PS4's release of the game as well though
I can swear I played 'dukeburger' on PC.
Your pronunciation of "zwei"...whyy
I don't think he had any idea it's German for 'two' -- he probably just thought it was a weird-looking word.
Yeah, it's almost like he's not German at all!
@@mindfreek454 Yeah how dare he not be German? More people need to be German and know that "zwei" means 2
*-This comment is sarcastic, do not take it seriously in any way-*
Do you know zwai
@@Noheadsaw No, dead meme, stop
You can still use Nerlink to play Duke 3D Saturn online. You just have to set it for direct dial and then you call a buddy's Saturn and you can play 2 player deathmatches
man these last several punching weights and past mortems have been very good videos.
Duke Nukem 64 was my first FPS. Played it at my friend's house (I was the Sega guy XD). I might have been too young for the game but (as in, still in elementary)... well, the friend was even younger XD
Awesome episode. I'm a pretty big fan of duke nukem, and that largely started from getting duke nukem 64 when I was young. It was definitely a mainstay in the rotation of games I would play with friends. That saturn port looks pretty amazing though, I was impressed with the lighting in the cinema foyer footage
That's hilarious, I was just playing the n64 version recently
SegaNet is actually Peer to Peer and still works. You should try it.
I only have Duke Nukem: Total Meltdown & Duke Nukem 64.
If I ever get a Sega Saturn, I'll be sure to add that version to my collection.
The n64 controller was perfect, yellow buttons for movement then using the stick for aiming.
So much fun to play with 4 friends & PLASMA CANNON yes thanks? The design changes on the maps/PC are indeed a nerf but it makes total sense, why would there be a stripclub in a factory, loading bay fits better from a logic point of view. Why would there be a wooden church in "guantanamo bay"?
Like most people, I only played this on the PC but it's good to know that the ports were pretty good as well. I'll have to try them out sometime. I always loved Duke Nukem 3D.
Fun fact: There's a cheat code for the Saturn version that enables stick aim with face button movement, assuming you have a 3D pad.
"Save The Babes" -Derek 2017
One of my favourite games from that generation was Nightmare Creatures. Any chance on doing something with that sometime?
He thinks it's aged badly
Since you showed 2 Slave-Driver engine games, are you considering Lobotomy Software's 'magnum opus' Powerslave (Exhumed) for review? Its a fun game with a soft-metroid feel. It even has 2 interesting PC ports, a DOS 'port' (That uses duke 3d's engine) and a incomplete one by the man who ported Torok 1 and 2 for PC (Called Powerslave EX)!
You can also talk about the SNES, Sega Genesis, and Sega Saturn's use of Xband for online play. I think you can even play Saturn's Duke Nukem 3D online today using a direct connection by dial up between two Xband equiped Sega Saturns.
It should be a episode like VD Dev's games :-)
Xband was Japan only. Gotta have two Netlink modems for direct dial.
Darrel Dennis turok you piece of filth
I like to play obscure old games (including recently playing Daikatana and being positively surprised by it) and it seems Powerslave is next in my list along Terminator Future Shock
FeelingShred on your list you mean.
Played a lot of the PC version as a kid. When I got the N64 port, I actually liked all the weird censorship changes they made to levels because it made a lot of the levels seem really fresh. The 2nd level had the Duke Burger section that didn't exist at all in the PC one. There's this one level way later on with some subway trains that has a completely different layout. There were new secrets and all kinds of added detail everywhere, it was awesome.
Just discovered your channel by this video! I love port comparisons... as a youngster in the 80s and 90s I thought I was the only one who could "detect" these differences... I suggest you take a look at "Cinematic Platformers". These games were interesting / stood out against contemporaries like Mario and Sonic, came out on a variety of systems, each adding / removing / cropping etc along the way. - Which IS the definitive version of "Another World" ("Out of this World" in the USA), or "Flashback: The Quest for Identity", or "Prince of Persia"...
Fun and informative video. I just bought a Saturn NetLink to play this game (and others) online, since Sega Saturn online play has been around for the past few years actually without requiring an analog phone service anymore. The Saturn version supports both 2 player online campaign CO-OP and one-vs-one online deathmatch.
I hope one day you buy the Saturn NetLink and try it out, and make a long video about it! I'd love to watch it!
Part 2:
Duke Nukem Brazil (Genesis)
Duke Nukem advance (GBA)
Duke Nukem (Jaguar)
Me and a buddy of mine spent countless hours back in the late '90s playing co-op and deathmatch Duke 64.
It's time to kick gum and chew ass.
Its incredibly easy to play saturn netlink games. If you still have an analog home phone line you can just dial in, or if you use a specific voip adapter you can dial by ip and play. Works great!
QA tested all these! Used to work for GT Interactive in London
DuckAlert Beats Then you probably tested the PlayStation and Nintendo 64 versions but not the Sega Saturn version since that one was published by Sega (and thus, in Europe it was released by Sega Europe) and GT Interactive did nothing with that version aside from licensing its development/publishing rights to Sega for them to handle it.
Albert Wesker Indeed you are correct Mr Wesker
Sega of Europe was fucking badass in the 90s. They basically gave the middle finger to Sega of Japan and released a lot of awesome titles for the Saturn as first party games.
I love this kind of content, instant sub.
really impressive video as usual
Just bought the Saturn port and as mentioned it is pretty darn good.
does SSFF has made a review of PSV EDF 2?
The Turok style is the closest thing consoles ever got to WASD + Mouse controls on PC. Trust me, it's worth mastering that scheme.
it is WASD and Mouse controls, but reversed and it's awkward.
Yeah Duke 64 controls were the best console style first person shooter controls ever made.
The Saturn Duke Nukem really impressed me when i chucked it on recently. hadn't played it for years. it's so smooth in a way hardly any FPS games of that era were. The weird way it sways as you turn can be a bit disorienting at first but other than that it's real nice to play.
Lmao....it runs at 30fps with many framedrops....what a fool
N64 Duke multiplayer was fun as hell, me and my buddy played that a ton. Grenade launchers on the pirate stage... :D
So, um. That's not how you pronounce "zwei" (which is the German word for "two"). The "ei" vowel cluster is pronounced kinda like the English word "eye" rather than like "ey."
and the z- is a ts-.
Also the w acts like a v. So in all it's like ts-v-eye
Definitely glad someone else got to this first, this should be top comment so that when he can finally cover the game, he pronounces it right, lol. No hate, just a bit of a stickler on proper pronunciation. :P
There's Nothing Like a Game
Random german here passing by.
Very interesting to see the german word "zwei" written in English pronunciation.
That'll help me next time a friend asks me how to pronounce. :D
I came to the comment section just to see who was going to post this.
I have the ps1 version, I would only play it for the plug and pray campaign. Duke Nukem World Tour would be my first choice now for main game and also includes the unique campaign. Although Megaton edition has probably the best package as it included the three expansions.
Now all we need is a ultimate megaton world tour plug and pray edition.
nice video! didn't know that there were exclusive levels.
My favorite episode of Punching Weight by far!
When my brothers and I discovered Death Tank, our minds were blown! You're absolutely missing out, having not played it. It's one of the best party games out there, and very underrated.
Did Derek just say he had the multi-tap for the Saturn… but not a second controller? Lol, okay then. Good to see they’ve got their priorities straight.
If you're using the Saturn 3D controller and you use the alternate controls "code" , your items are on the D-pad instead of the pause menu. The only game I know of that enables the analog stick and D-pad at the same time.
I really love the N64 port, mostly because the grenade launcher rewarded repeat playthroughs. If you know where enemies are you can ricochet of walls for some stylish kills.
I find it kind of funny that a gun store is seen as more family friendly. lol
"Death Tank Zway" lmao cmon dude
The Sega Netlink Actually still works. All you need is two Saturn players who still have landlines. The Netlink's multiplayer functionality was never service-based, meaning you never needed to dial up to a server for it to work. You just need to dial the number of the other player.
Very good video as usual, Derek! I very much agree with you that they're all great ports, but I believe the PS1 has considerably the worst port of the three. I mean, let's be honest; the wacky framerate is hard and annoying to deal with, going from 60 fps down to 5 fps, or sometimes even lower than that. Anyone who's willing to go through that (not to mention succeeds at it) deserves respect. Besides, without the quicksave, the game could have been notably even more cumbersome, like you said, so of the three ports that need quicksaving the most, Total Meltdown easily takes the cake. Shoutout to the guys who were in Aardvark Software (RIP) for adding it.
Duke Nukem 3D Saturn and Duke Nukem 64 are both excellent conversions, and I honestly can't put a stamp to officially declare which one is better. So, yeah. For all the pros and cons of what they have to offer, a tie is most appropriate.👍🏽
"psycho manthis style". oh my.. you gave me today's laught ^^ thank u
You can't stop skeletons from fighting and Duke 64 was the best.
You know, as much as I miss the retro game reviews, Punching Weight is probably the best show on this channel. So much neat shit gets featured.
But another retro game review every now and then would be a nice treat.
you make the most interesting god damn content, and ideas for content.
Blew my mind with Deep Water. Thought it was a publisher or additional team.
Every time I watch a SSFF video I can't help but think of those feeble red skeletons in Castlevania, shambling along, trying to live their lives-- _"Let them fight."_
Actually Derek, PC gamers really love that quicksave option
he's talking about old school gamers wanting a challenge, not necessarily PC gamers.