Our Craziest Movie Yet?!? | Predestination (2014) Reaction & Review | Ethan Hawke & Sarah Snook
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This whole movie starts with a a guy walking into a bar. It's an elaborate "guy walks into a bar joke:.
WTF, you cant understand time travel and predestination paradox. the movie is a masterpiece
"Understand, you are more than an agent, you are a gift given to the world through a predestination paradox. You are the only one. Free from history, ancestry."
The paradox being "impossible" is the entire point of the story. It's the story of Ouberos, the snake that eats its own tail. It's an anomaly in the timeline, with no beginning or end.
John also says, and I quote "Strange, whenever I looked at my new appearance I was reminded of that bastard that ruined my life. Must be some poetic irony I guess." So he sees a similarity between himself and the man who impregnated himself as the female, but if you had gone through something like that, you wouldn't immediately assume time travel if time travel is considered only fiction.
There's also clearly some dysmorphia with his face. Talks about how he doesn't really see it as his. It's quite likely he doesn't really process it.
There's a lot of symbolism and themes in this movie and not everyone will catch it. John's story is really tragic. He wasn't trans and didn't know he was intersex, and was essentially forced to have an sex change without his knowledge. His life as Jane was forced to an end and he never had closure. Jane had a tragic life, growing up alone and never fitting in, even not getting the job she seemed so fit for, and then her baby gets stolen. John going back and being with Jane wasn't necessarily romantic, but just a way to bring Jane happiness and also to get closure....and yeah resulted in a child 😅. Jane/John are essentially 2 separate people.
A second viewing helps you understand things better. But keep in mind not everything has to make sense. It's a time paradox set in a futuristic 80s setting which is why stuff looked high tech for the 80s. And bc of the nature of the story, yeah you just gotta go along w the rollercoaster.
It's not that the time bureau purposely created this scenario, its that this scenario has always existed and the time bureau has always worked to continue it. Its Ouroboros, the snake eating its own tail, theres no definitive start or end to the time loop life of Jane/John Doe
This is not entirely correct though.
There was an actual beginning.
It all started with the time machine malfunctioning, and he (or possibly, some other time traveller) didn't report it to the bureau.
This started a series of events (that we don't see in this movie) that eventually lead to the perfect time loop we end up watching.
This movie is the perfect time loop that the universe has settled with after maybe a 1000 loops before, 1000 loops after the initial malfunctioning of the device.
And he (Ethan Hawke) is the human that has eventually become created / born out from this timeloop. He's the child that has eventually closed the time loop into a perfect never-ending and never-changing loop.
Mr. Robertson doesn't know everything, but knows just enough to keep the timeloop going. Mr. Robertson likely never figured out there was a malfunctioning time machine and has never been able to prevent the timeloop from forming.
John/Jane doesn't know the full truth either and has settled onto the belief that Mr. Robertson has set everything up and thinks he's just following orders.
Brilliant movie, lol
@@itskittyme
i heavily disagree.
building a timeloop is an insane work to do, it would take multiple lifetimes to doublecheck every result, then adjust the actions for optimisation, etc...
a timeloop like this cant spawn in to existence. the propability of a self sufficient timeloop spawning in to existence is practically impossible, the number is so astronomical, that even a multiverse would need multimple universe lifetimes for it. it was definetly built by someone, who kept insane amount of notes, travelled back to fill in his/her younger self, to continue the work... just finding a sex changing baby is insanely hard. then setting it up to impregnate herself, then checking if the new baby is also sex changing (for a self suficient timeloop you need a baby wich came to be inside it)
the timeloop is a master work, because it has only one variable. but someone created it, and the creation of it in itself would worth a movie.
i got upset at the end of this movie, because the biggest question, who created it and exacly why was it necessary was never answered.
the loop didnt start with the malfunctioning time machine, because the owner of that time machine already existed. we coud say that the impregnation was the starting point, but in reality there is no starting point anymore. the mother is the daughter, and the daughter is the father, who is the mother. a perfect circle.
it wont appear naturally, it has to be created, and if someone pours hundreds of lifetimes to do it, there has to be a really good reason for it.
I mean if she would have killed herself as John when she realized what was happening it would have been a different outcome. I had a headache watching it...
@@tamikawoods2236except you can't kill your future self, because if you did, you wouldn't exist anymore to kill yourself.
And in this particular situation he couldn't walk away either because that would result in not being born.
@thijsbouma8818 I was thinking if he killed his self none of the events would have happened. She wouldn't have gotten pregnant, joined the agency etc. But who knows.
1) she stopped looking into mirrors. Had no idea what John looked like until they met. Jane experiences him as a different person, the only person who ever showed her kindness. The program was looking for functional hermaphrodites, she was one. No past, no future, no history. He becomes the fizzle bomber to save lives, he just loses the ethical foundation he had due to the psychosis. There is no beginning and no end to Jane/John. She’s stuck in a loop. It’s a great movie.
this was filmed in Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. Sarah Snook who played the Unmarried Mother won an AFI (Australian Film Institute) award which is the equivalent of an Academy Award Oscar in Australia. It's by the Sperig Brothers who also did Daybreakers, Undead, Winchester, and Jigsaw.
Based on the 1959 short story "All You Zombies" by Robert Heinlein. Bizarre sexual politics, because 1959, and because _Robert frickin' Heinlein._
The line "I know where I came from -- but where did all you zombies come from?" comes at the very end. I've always interpreted that as meaning past versions of ourselves count as different people -- given enough time, you literally become a stranger to your [old] self. Ditto future versions of yourself, if you could meet them. Under that interpretation, all the WTF moments of _how do they not recognize themselves?!_ / _but that's YOU, not another person!_ / etc / etc ... those become features, not bugs.
They do recognise their past selves
"Did the guy who just shot him help him?"
I love it when a question is 100 times more deeper than it was intended to be😂
Didn't know anyone can find this movie funny but not tragic . I don't think these folks understood the beauty of the amazingly written movie.
I definitely love it when reactors want movies to explain the whole plot within the first 3 minutes, and then spend the next 30 minutes talking about not understanding what is going on instead of paying attention and letting the story unfold. Totally not irritating at all😀
Also that's what not what happened here at all.
This is an adaptation of a short story. In the short, every single character is the same person
Name of the short?
@danielschoger2092 "- All You Zombies -" by Robert Heinlein
I'm loving the fact that you both are slowly putting the pieces together as the movie proceeds and watching those mental gears turning... I've been a big fan of time travel fiction and when I first read "--'All You Zombies'--" by Robert A Heinlein, I hoped that there would be a film interpretation of it... When this came out in 2015, I was more hyped up that they not only took the original storyline, they extended it and went that extra level. I'm halfway through this reaction video of yours and amazed at how much you've worked out already... Yes, it's crazy... yes, it's wild... but just think... this original story was written in 1959; Heinlein was a man ahead of his time who was basically able to close the loop on a person's life, and you're currently working out how... Enjoy the rest of the ride!
This is one of my favorite movies, glad it finally got enough attention to get a reaction vid.
"But what if he didn't..." is the point, he can't, hence the title Predestination. His entire life is trapped in a predestination paradox, there is no beginning point. He will always make the same choices over and over because that is what creates the loop that leads to his own existence and he cannot help himself.
if you want another mind bending time travel TV series, you might like Dark (2017-2020) from Germany. You might also like the 1995 time-travel film "12 Monkeys" starring Bruce Willis, Madeliene Stow, and Brad Pitt. Predestination is very faithful to "-All You Zombies-" the Robert A Heinlein short-story from 1959, but it was in ways improved by this film in my personal opinion.
Don't forget "Primer (2014, I think. Edit: 2004). It will melt your brain. Some random guy on the internet drew the timeline of the story and I still don't get it.
'I don't understand'. All the clues are there and you even figured it out early in the movie without realising it, and multiple times throughout. Welcome to Predestination, now it's time to watch it again and watch it all fall into place. :D
The dude bragging about how the math equation was easy but can't keep up with the plot, feeling nervous and throwing random comments... Yeah right.
Another really good sci-fi movie with Ethan Hawke in it is Gattaca (1997). Uma Thurman and Jude Law co-star. I figure at least *one* of you hasn't seen it yet, so it might make for a worthwhile reaction. It has a really beautiful noir tone to it (even though it's sci-fi), and a haunting soundtrack. (The plot isn't nearly as bonkers as this one, by the way.)
Another great Sci-Fi (semi-dystopian future) film with Jude Law is Repo Men. Forrest Whitaker and Alice Braga as the co-stars. Its panned by critics but still a great movie.
@@BrahmaDBA Most of my favorite movies have been panned by critics, so I'll be sure to check out Repo Men. Thank you.
GATTACA, the word is made from the Amino Acids that form DNA
Also this movie (Gattaca) is where Maya Hawke was created. Not like in a factory but while her parents worked on the movie they hooked up! 😂😂🤷🏾♂️👍🏾
As to why he's called "The Fizzle Bomber", this is a reference to the original Heinlein story that the film is based on, "All You Zombies". It's a short story and references "The Fizzle War", because the bureau stopped the war before it really got going.
Plus (correct me if I'm wrong), in the original short story he's NOT the fizzle bomber. Like, the fizzle bomber doesn't ever actually make a physical appearance, he's more of a boogieman/background easter egg like Cthulu who's referenced but never actually shows up (and also connects his other stories time travel stories like "By His Bootstraps" and "The Cat Who Walks Through Walls").
@@MrMarsFargo In the original, there is no character known as the fizzle bomber. The fizzle bombing of New York is referenced but not attributed
I'm not going to lie Y'all annoyed the hell out of me. How y'all couldn't comprehend this movie is beyond me. This movie was great
Finally found a comment that speaks my mind. Although I'm just annoyed that the guy talked like every 5 seconds.. Never saw reactors so chatty before. Dang, he even talked about the math questions on the board...
@@hazri8758 Dude. I'm like would you shut up and watch the movie!!! Lol
Yeah, I enjoy their reactions to series where there are a lot of stuff going on, but the guy really needs to learn how to watch a quieter film, quieter. Some of the best films don't handfeed you every plot detail, they expect you to watch and take it in.
When Jane enrolled in the program to become a space-escort instead of going "ooh, this is set in another timeline than ours" he just wouldn't shut up about how he doesn't understand how this isn't now a time travel movie. Or when she was forcibly transitioned - forcible gender assignment is something many intersex people went through in the past, but instead of experiencing the movie he just goes "this is so weird I don't understand" every 30 seconds.
@@viciouspiggy1 true. And I stopped watching when keeps saying he doesn't understand
Da guy is fucking annoying as hell…
"Go f*** yourself" takes a different meaning when you've seen this movie. And as for the movie, it is insane, because it is a paradox. Like the snake swallowing his own tail, or the question what was the first: egg or hen. It's a repeating cycle, and you can't change a thing, because it needs to happen that way.
Also, intersex people are absolutely a thing. Not quite to this degree usually, and it usually gets corrected by doctors one way or the other at birth, but people are born with both sets more frequently than you'd think. These things are determined more by environment and context and process during development than any kind of intrinsic "it's only possible to go in this direction" type thing. Even the chromosomes do less than you might think in this area, though they're obviously still important.
In the age of remakes and reboots, it is unbelievably refreshing to say you have never seen a fucking movie like this before!
The funny thing is that the guy who wrote the novel that would become this film also wrote the Starship Troopers book, Robert A. Heinlein. The book to this film was called "All You Zombies."
Okay, to answer some questions:
-- This is based on a 1958 short story "'--All You Zombies--'" [sic], which they expanded the timeline of slightly to make this feature film version. In the original short story, we don't learn as much about the time bureau, since we only see the story from the point of view Jane/John (the younger one) from when he tells the story to the point he relives it being sent back in time by the agent. It's revealed at the end of the story the Barkeep (older one) is Jane/John... but it's NOT revealed that he's the Fizzle bomber, who never makes a physical appearance. He's more like a background boogieman or urban legend, an easter egg worldbuilding detail. Like Cthulu, talked about but never actually appears in the story itself. The movie went a step farther when adapting, adding the bits with the reconstructive surgery (so the twist wouldn't immediately be given away), and also making John/Jane/Barkeep the _FIZZLE BOMBER_
-- For the record, Robertson was never actually training women "to f*ck astronauts in space," it was a ploy to secretly find and recruit people who could become the 11 time agents.
-- In real life, intersex people do not "have full sets of organs" for both reproductive tracts, and trans men don't actually become able to produce fertile sperm... though the inaccuracy is intentional, both in the original short story and the film, in order to foreshadow that "unusual circumstances" (time travel/quantum physics) produced an anatomically unique human capable of completing a predestination paradox/time loop (more on that below).
-- In terms of "how does he become the fizzle bomber" (it makes more sense on second viewing), the film emphasizes how "exceeding the jump limit" and or too much time travel without a break will result in him developing "dementia and the onset of psychosis" (him becoming mentally ill, thereby becoming the fizzle bomber). Once that happens, he begins to kill people in order to prevent alternate futures where _THEY_ killed people... but in doing so, civilian casualties are killed in the crossfire of his preventative killings.
-- This is why the fizzle bomber (older Barkeep) says "if you kill me, that's how it starts." From this point on, he becomes comfortable with killing "in order to save lives" and prevent an alternate future... ie "10,000 lives saved" because he prevented the future where he levels 10 blocks of New York. Which will then expand into "300 lives saved, 200 lives saved," ie him preventing alternate futures (by murdering people) in "order to save lives." The first time he ever does that -- kills someone, to prevent an alternate future and save lives -- is when he _KILLS HIMSELF_
-- The title refers to the "Predestination Paradox," an actual concept in theoretical physics (more popularly known in science fiction as a "time loop"). Regarding your question of how a Predestination Paradox/Time Loop "gets started," that's the whole point... they don't. They just "always were" so to speak. The concept in physics is that all time travel is "Predestined" already, meaning we live on a fixed timeline (that can't be altered) from the start of the universe to the end of the universe. Many sci-fi stories depict "time loops" taking place in worlds where altering history _IS_ possible, but theoretical physics suggests it's more likely you _CAN'T_ alter history via time travel in a world where time loops/predestination exists (because all time travel would have to be "predetermined" already, via it being a fixed timeline). The original short story (and this film) are essentially a dramatized depiction of this actual concept that exists in theoretical physics, asking "what if this actually happened in real life" etc. Even this exact premise (person impregnates/gives to birth to/goes back in time to cause the creation of themself) is a theoretical scenario proposed by scientists like Dr. Michio Kaku
-- An even crazier example of this, it's been a proposed hypothesis that the _UNIVERSE ITSELF_ is a Predestination Paradox. Essentially, the hypothesis proposes that the entire universe and all of history is a "time loop" that results in the Big Bang. We know the universe will eventually end with the "heat death" of all matter, where the expansion of all matter out from the original "zero point" (where the Big Bang started) will reverse back in on itself, with the last matter being sucked into a black hole until there's nothing remaining... what this hypothesis proposes is that this matter, upon entering the black hole, gets sent back in time and spat back out at the beginning of history _BECOMING THE BIG BANG._
So yeah, basically... physics is weird (and friggin' awesome)
I feel like these guys are so weird with commentary
Finally found someone that speaks my mind. I don't know about you, but I think the guy talked too much. He talked like every 5 seconds. He even commented the math questions on the board. Like come on... And the girl?? Felt like the guy talked to a brick wall the whole time.
Somebody: Remember that old Willie Nelson song “I’m My Own Grandpa?”
This movie: HOLD MY BEER.
The song is actually referenced in the short story this movie is based on
@@najhoantIt plays in the movie too. Bartender John even sings along briefly
the intersex theme is handled as how it would have been handled at the time the movie takes place. cmon guys.
People are so worried about reflecting the now that they forget that an entire world of things happened before now! Meanwhile in truth nothing about the Now should be reflected because right now people are dumb but think they aren’t! Low IQ people make up the world.
My mother always said one thing that I’ve found always remains true.
“ *Half the people of the world are dumber than you can even imagine. And the other half are even dumber than that* “
as a trans person, the scene of john meeting jane, and ending up falling for her, is so heartbreaking and at the same time beautiful, cause HE SEES HER, u know? he loves her, cause when he was her, he didnt, he felt like the outcast, the freak, the weirdo. so he remembers that pain, that loneliness, and decides to nurture her, love her, let her see herself through his eyes, to feel loved, wanted, seen, embraced, accepted.
as a trans person, is both excruciating and heart warming, soul stirring.
we tend to do ourselves the most harm that anyone else ever could. itd be the same thing as u, meeting ur younger self, knowing what that individual is going through, feels, and wanting to be there for them, like no one else ever was, and potentially ever will be.
i understand u finding the camp in it, cause of ur knowledge of the media, and the amount of content u might have consumed, and consume on the regular. but it a dark movie, with the good, with the bad. existentialism at its best.
What do you think of the film cloud Atlas from 2012 which told six stories with actors playing multiple roles and changing gender and ethnicity and age?
@@MDBowron as a film, i love it. but it had nothing to do with gender and that. the actors were playing another gender/sex completely, the characters didnt change, the actors did, to play the parts.
@@homeiswhereukeepurdealdoe well what I more meant was the idea that whether they were one ethnicity/race or gender or another, they were the same archetypal soul going through a journey of reincarnation or repeated archetypes. But each soul had a journey. Tom Hanks oscillated from bad guy to good guy until finally becoming good in the end. Hugh Grant and Hugo Weaving's characters got worse. Halle Berry's started off weak and then became more powerful as she evolved over time. I guess that universal humanity was more the thing I was meaning. Sorry if I'm mansplaining or anything like that.
@@MDBowron oh, no, i completely get that, it was literally the point of the movie haha. i just responded that cause of the comment u chose to comment on, that's all 🖖🏻 but yeah, i agree with everything u just said
That's a great perspective, Emma, thanks for sharing that... The emotional downpour that each character must re-experience when they're chatting to their younger selves must be phenomenal, especially when you consider that it's a never-ending loop to ensure that John surivives in order to re-initiate the loop once again...
If you could go back in time and chat to your younger self pre-transition, what would you tell your younger self?
I'm sure it's been covered in the comments, but the time travel concept at play here is the idea of a closed loop paradox. No beginning or end and it perpetuates itself.
in ways the different versions are like Jungian archetypes, Baby Jane being the inner child, Jane being the Anima, John/Unmarried Mother the Animus, Barkeep the ego, Fizzle Bomber is both elder and shadow archetype. It's also a predestination paradox done to the ultimate limit, where he controls his entire life, and where an older version of himself loves the younger version of himself, Fizzle loves Barkeep, Barkeep loves Unmarried Mother, Unmarried Mother loves Jane, Jane loves Baby Jane.
if you like other time loop stories set in the United States but made in Australia and using Australian actors, you might like 2009's "Triangle" starring Melissa George.
i love recommending this movie ♥
Clarus and Nerdy are so baffled about the idea of self love
Also they never masterbate
interesting thing is its made of multiple genres, historical fiction starting in 1945, romance in 1963, mystery in 1964, thriller in 1970, sci-fi in 1985 and fantasy in 1993
time agents cannot have termporal or emotional ties to any timelines... Jane/John is the perfect time agent because they are a product of a time loop, and endless loop, they even mention it... "A serpent eating it's own tail forever"
I personally think the movie is great.
Also, one thing is that I personally think Robertson knew everything. He talks about how The Fizzle Bomber makes them better at their jobs, because The Fizzle Bomber learns new things every loop. So Robertson helped John find the bomber, learn the truth, and become The Fizzle Bomber.
Oh my god! They broke Clarus!!!
I have been on the internet too long because I know this is called selfcest
Loved this wacky out there film reaction, David and Calrus..
Love to see your reactions to horror films "Hereditary", "Midsommar", and "Barbarian".
Your reactions to them would be wild.
"i cannot imagine falling in love with myself" THATS EXACTLY WHY HE FALLS IN LOVE WITH HER.
i was okay until it was just trans impregnating yourself but i lost my marbles when in the end it was revealed she was bisexual too
The movie budget was only $5M, so it was low cost. The the fact that the time loop doesn't have a distinct origin is what makes it a paradox. It's meant to mess with your mind.
A Möbius strip plot.
I saw this when it came out and Sarah Snook won all the awards in my head.
Seriously, watch "Coherence" 2013 without knowing anything going in.
Heinlein wrote this story in response to a popular song of the day (late 1940's) "I'm my own grandpa" - to provide the context that such a title could be true. I thought he did a great job - but that just makes the last sentence all that much scarier - don't wonder who started Jane/John - look at what he says...
"I know where I came from-but where did all you zombies come from?"
a paradox is suppossed to not be possible to be a paradox, and as it cannot exist but does, makes it a paradox...i love this movie
That's why he use the "chicken or egg first" riddle.
I thought you were going to find out when you were looking up info on the movie... but it's based on a Robert Heinlein short story (All You Zombies) written in 1959.
Written in 1958, published in 1959. 😉
@@ksbsnowowl3569 sorry, you didn't say "um actually", so we can't award any points
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It's one of the few films out there that scrambles this mind.
This movie took me like a uppercut on my first time. One of the best ever.
This is a really good interpretation of Heinlein's short story "All You Zombies".
That's a different story. This one is based on "-- All You Zombies --". Which is a quote from a line in the story and Ethan Hawke says it towards the end.
Man, this movie was bizarre. They made a super interesting (and I think good) choice to just not modernize it at all. It's a 50s short story and it's close to just a straight adaptation. No changes for modern morals. Just a frank depiction of what they actually believed back then. It's jarring and so strange and incredibly gripping. Like it just creates this feeling of "something is wrong" that permeates the entire movie.
"This movie is so weird!" Baby, you've got no idea 😂
You two should do Primer next :-)
4:34 "MoonKnight" was the first Ethan Hawke thing I saw and I knew immediately he would become one of my favorite actors. I then got into "The Black Phone", "Dead Poets Society" and have seen "Predestination" probably 3 times. One of my favorite movies ever, mind-bending!
22:27 😂literally me with this movie (24:37 "I feel like I need a PHD to understand this movie" same!)
32:34 when the book title is mentioned in the movie✊
So the paradox is that there never was a "beginning" to it, it has always existed because time travel. The first man to impregnate Jane is John, that's it, that's the paradox.
It's a very weird but fun movie!
"Are you okay?"
"I'M NOT!"
The main issue in the movie is who created the first Jane. They 'resolved' this when John asked Jane, 'Which came first, the chicken or the egg? " Anyway I agree with you, it's an objective script weakness
its based off robert a heinleins famous short story : "-all you zombies" , from 1958
I love how the answer to every question asked is Yes!
Yeah, i REALLY love this movie! Very different - very fun! Definitely not your average time-travel movie. When I first watched it, toward the beginning, I kept on thinking I was watching the wrong movie... I was like "What the f*ck am I watching?!" But yeah, really love it! Seen it probably 15 times
And here I am, more interested in the Trolly Problem aspect of killing to save people than the self love and self sex stuff (although that was a bit of a mind blow). I spent months chewing over the ending of Predestination, before realising that John choosing to kill future himself in order to save 10,000 people is exactly the choice that put him on the path to becoming the fizzle bomber. Would you let one person die to save 10? Would you kill one person to save 50? So would you kill 10,000 if you *knew* it would save a million?
27:21 He finally gets it. :)
"I'm my own grandpa..."
@NerdyNightly Watching the both of you two's reaction to this film was a entertaining experience to say the least because I certainly saw more than enough wtf expressions of on the both of your faces that were down hysterical. lol 🤣 This movie was certainly a complete mind fuck for me when I first saw but I thought it had a uniqueness to it that made it entertaining for me. Also, in regards to the your question about Jane's complicated biological makeup, Jane was recognized by the science community as a hermaphrodite and though it is extremely rare it would be possible for her to have become pregnant by means of self-fertilization in some cases.
Yea since Clarus isnt too familiar with Ethan Hawke ...I think Gattaca would be a GREAT choice such a good movie. This movie though was just bonkers apeshit crazy.
It's easy to understand. Jane is intersex, and the program is looking for an intersex person. Jane meets a man who isn't John, but then they time travel to that timeline to replace that man with John, who was once Jane and transitioned to a man. Jane then gets pregnant by John, who was Jane. This is easy to follow since they are just jumping through timelines. It's a paradox designed to create a person that cannot be traced with no history or records.
19:06 yes even all the data on the internet has a weight, last i heard the data that is the internet weighes about as much as a large strawberry but thats a woah old calculation
35:02 The look on her face throught this whole movie... It says that she's not sure that she willl never see things the same way again.
Roberts made sure they stopped the "fizzle bomber" the only one that could find him was that person himself.
I laughed the same way when I realized what was happening! The ultimate paradox! LOL!!
A bootstrap paradox is a series of events that leads up to you traveling back in time in which you cause the events that lead you to time travel in the first place.
Bootstrap can also be used more generally for any item or knowledge that loops through time without a clear starting point. I think it's also worth mentioning that the phrase comes from Robert Heinlein's _By His Bootstraps,_ and his sequel is the basis for this movie.
@@theadamabrams ty for the clarification
I guess you'll have to watch the super good Sunrise trilogy for Clarus now? 😇
They would really like that trilogy
@@whowastheoneguy4719 Definitely, but I don't know how they choose their movies and if they'll ever get around to it
Great reaction guys!
I don't recall ever even hearing of this movie until being talked into watching it on shrooms last night. Wow.
That was insane 🤣
Was funny seeing you guys just getting lost more and more the movie went on :D
I love everyone's reaction to this movie, It's always priceless.
Intersex is a real thing, some people are born with two sexes, both male and female organs, in differing stages of development. It even happens in animals. Its rare but more common that you think. There's been whole controversy's where someone has been forced to be a sex that they feel they are not.
This is a weird movie but good.
The way it is presented in this movie is ridiculous though. It is not possible for one person to have dual reproductive system, and impregnate themselves, even with surgical procedures.
@@Rocket1377
There is no such case in real life. But I would consider it a less fantastical proposition than time-travel.
There are hermaphrodite animals, there are intersex humans and Chimera humans. A theoretical hermaphrodite human seems less of a leap than time travel for which there is little to no theoretical or empirical basis (much less one done with a briefcase sized device).
other good mind-bending films of 2014: Lucy, The Edge of Tomorrow and Transcendence.
Watch it a few more times with the thought, what about the other members of the time agency...
check out Triangle (2009) and Coherence (2013/14) depending on where u find it.
best physics thought experiment to movie adaptation ever created... and yes this is a physics thought experiment..
The problem is that why didn't she recognize that she's turning into her ex-lover in appearance?
You gotta love it when people laugh at things they don’t understand.
In terms of physics this is known as a "causal loop", and as far as we know there's nothing inherently about physics itself that prevents it from occurring, at least as long as traveling back in time is possible (which is of course very speculative).
Still makes more sense that tenet
@22.28 - that's how I felt at that point, but there's more...... Now watch it again with the new knowledge.
She is a loop. A paradox.
I thought "John" was Dane DeHaan at first
This is absolutely one of the most underrated American movies of the last decade. So cool to see you guys check this one out!
It's actually an Australian movie as it was filmed in Australia, it's crew and most of the cast were Australian and the writers and directors and financiers were Australian
The movie is from 2014 not 2005 🙂
Other mind bending time travel ….
TIME CRIMES,
TRIANGLE,
TIME LAPSE,
PRIMER
No he could definitely forget what he used to look like before being burned. By that point he was already suffering from extreme delusions from over jumping.
Just to mess with your mind (after you have seen it), HE goes back in time, meets himself as a female, they have a baby (she does), baby is stolen, she becomes a he, and is recruited in to the time organization, he meets HIMSELF, and takes HIMSELF back to meet her. However, it is HE (Himself) that stole the baby and sent it to the orphanage. And Also, *HE* is the fizzle Bomber, he was sent to KILL. Predestination Paradox.What (or Who) came first, metaphorically, and Physically.
I like films like this.
If want more twisty time travel movies, try Primer and timecrimes.
The total determination of one's self turned in on itself IS what's happening to you now.
Have you seen Coherence?
Dm I sow this move with a friend, that twist is finaminalen it stuck with me I forgot most even the name of the move of t but that twist stak
Surprise you didn't know the age old "grandfather paradox", I think you guys need to read some more scifi story. Also this movie is based on a short story written by Robert A. Heinlein in 1958, it's a age old classic. Again, really surprised that you guys didn't know all this stuff.
he also created the Bootstrap paradox in his 1941 short story "By his own Bootstraps"
Everyone keeps saying Gattaca but I say Triangle...
I was thinking of Triangle before I saw your comment.