The Philosophy of PREDESTINATION Explored
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- Опубликовано: 30 июл 2024
- Predestination is a time-travel sci-fi flick, directed by the Spierig Brothers, starring Ethan Hawke, Sarah Snook and Noah Taylor.
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Many seem to overlook an interesting part of this movie. When John is blown up and is saved by barkeep, he gets a good look at barkeep's face. There is a pause there. When John gets his new face and looks in the mirror he recognizes that he saved himself and is now barkeep. He then quips: "I've changed so much that my mother wouldn't even recognize me." By the end of the movie this irony is magnificent.
I guess neither their mother nor father recognized them when they met!
Good note. The film is entirely based on metaphor. It's good to address the philosophical aspect of the film, but it only represents its dilemma, unlike the psychological side that occupies the biggest space in the film's shoes, based on the metaphor, of course.
How John is barkeep ! Their faces are so different ?
Our observations reveal the masterpiece that is this movie though I would have been mad if I saw this in theaters when it came out. The description of it would be setting up an action movie like looper
@@alisndi1821 because barkeeps face was after the bomb went of in his face so he got reconstructed Also john was also Jane but she became a man after giving birth to baby Jane so john looks different again. Very confusing
Sarah Snook deserves more credit for that role. She was amazing.
🍷 Exactly my thoughts..
Another weirdo
I agree
If someone asked me to explain this movie I would've had a aneurysm.
I guess I could say it's about a baby that becomes a terrorist.
my explanation would be: Alabama, the movie
Nah u got it 🤣👍🏾
When you explain it like that it's the same as Looper movie haha
I'm constantly trying to tell people about this movie without giving up the huge epiphanies it goes through. Like how do I make this interesting enough to persuade them to watch it without letting them know that the girl is the guy and the guy is the bartender who is also the terrorist. Lol
@@MrYsosad You dumb? You can't be your own relative.
I'm surprised you didn't include the scene where Barkeep is singing the "I'm my own grandpa" tune while he and John are headed downstairs to time travel. It foreshadows the plot line of the whole movie.
Yup!! I thought that was a paradox by itself "I'm my own grandfather" the plot hidden in plain sight
@@axelortiz8047 The song is in the original story (which I read when it was published in 1959-I was twelve). Robertson is not in the story, and the Fizzle Bomber is implied but not seen. I think that those two characters were added to the movie at least partly to make the material last a whole movie's length, to explain why John changes appearance, and thus to give Ethan Hawke enough screen time to balance Sarah Snook. It looks to me as if the movie makers did exactly the right thing.
Good call.
What about when John Doe says, "You better not be messing with me you son of a bitch." Ethan Hawk laughs at what she saids.
Thing is- is he his own Grandpa?
I love how he/she is both the protagonist and antagonist of the story.
And everyone else in the movie 😂🤣😂🤣
Literally, the duality of man.
Her performance is extraordinary.
Madea taking it to the next level 😬
As well as the love interest and the mentor
The movie encapsulates the saying "you either die a hero or you live long enough to become a villan
She took the phrase "loving yourself" too literally
*phrase
@@croissanthabibi8345 thank you
She was told to "go f*&* yourself"......and so she did.
@@davidking4838 jajajajaja
The phrase "who's your daddy ?" Followed by "You are" will never feel the same.
You will always be a woman
I love that as young John, they are determined they would kill the one who ruined their life. But as bar keep they love young John so much, the only thing they can do is put things in motion. Because of course young John is the only person they have ever loved. Except of course when they were young John and looked in the mirror and the reflection reminded them of the person who broke their heart. But then when Bar Keep gets a new face that even their mother wouldn’t recognise, that detaches john from the reflection, and now when he is face to face with the fizzle bomber he doesn’t see the one they loved, giving them the conviction to kill the one who ruined their life. But then the lament for how much they miss John, they end up on the path to become the fizzle bomber, who only wants to be loved once more by John.
I love this premise!
So many layers!
fizzle bomber : you could not live with your own failure, where did that bring you?
back to you
If you don't like your Future change your Past
Damn mind blown thanos!
Wow
I knew you going to say that.. LOL this is one of my top five movies!
You’re a bloody legend @dookey60
This whole movie is just the spider man pointing meme but with more time travel stuff thrown in there.
Yea 😂
Just watched this incredible movie and landed here to hear an analysis of it. The movie was absolutely mesmerizing from beginning to end. Not a boring moment. And the time loop craziness just made it more fun. Your very thoughtful analysis added to my appreciation.
Thanks for the amazing feedback Robert! Glad you enjoyed both the film and this video :)
I absolutely loved this movie. It had my brain leaking out of my ears but in a good way.
Your videos have gotten me through 2 breakups, grad school and being laid off before the pandemic. YOU ARE THE KING
Lol
Sorry to hear about how rough it's been for you lately. Just know that brighter days are on the horizon! :)
Hopefully things pick up for you dude, life's been rough.
Hope you are doing good mate.
I've never been this early, and I'm ecstatic someone finally covered Predestination.. This movie was an absolute mindfuck the first time I saw it, and it still is.. My dad loves it too, and I'm glad he does because he read the original short story.. Nice work Niyat!
Honestly! I've just been waiting for Niyat to put up a video on Predestination. Its 2:10 am and i have work at 7 but here i am, watching one of my favourite underrated movies by one of my favourite youtuber!
same with interstelar
I came form the future to watch this video! Or the past, I forget...
you are also your own son, sibling, father, mother and baby
@@D0NU75 it's like Fry from futurama becoming his own grandfather was like, even I think this is too much!
@Iceheart128, you are definitely from the past. If you are from the future you will never come back to this 2020 covid 19 year.
Thank me later for this info.
You are always welcome...◆
Have you done:
Minority Report
Westworld
Source Code
I've covered Minority Report and the other two are on the to-do list :)
Quantum break also, the game and its book.
Can you do Das Boot
@@filmcomicsexplained SOURCE CODE PLSSS
Dark series on netflix?
This movie was like a fever dream as in I could remember seeing the trailer and never watched it because I forgot the name which made me have a mandala effect moment because no results came up when I googled every time travel movie ever.
After randomly watching in in 2018 on tv it became my favorite movie ever so thank you for covering it.
How does it not show up for time travel movies? It's a time travel movie 😅
@@fairlyliterary4771 back then it wasn't on it probably
@@soulsemblance3163 or could it be it wasn't popular enough? It's a decent movie which was hard for me to find too. I only found it bc I remembered Ethan Hawke was in it and I'd borrowed it from my library
Yeah same dude I also watched it a long time ago but I remember how trippy it was when you learn about what happened
@@Mas3d_p0ta3rs it's one of my favorite type of movies. The one that keeps you guessing without shenenigans or messing with you too much which after finding out key elements of the plot makes the second viewing completely different
This was the definition of a MindFkVc !
Absolutely amazing . Sarah, Ethan .. both killed it in this one .
I would love to see you do a video on Primer. I think I had to watch Primer 7 times before I started to have a gist of what was going on lol
Sure, adding it to the list now, thanks :)
Hey I gotta
Primer is the shit. A low budget film with a really good plot.
There's a Primer Explained video i watched twice to understand.
I adore this movie, I feel like it is one of the most underrated in history... and Sarah Snook should have gotten an Oscar.
I just discovered it this year.
What a wonderfully haunting, well-constructed and and thoughtful plotline. In the days of predictable story elements, I was legitimately surprised by the reveal.
Like any other sci-fi plot, it's something that makes you think. Here, however, we have something that transcends the tone and method of Serling or Hitchcock---it's it's own film, no sequel necessary, no other explanation needed than what the audience takes away.
Good shit, nice analysis.
We definitely need more movies like this.
I've been waiting for years for a decent review about this film and here you are! 😍
So basically he got scammed out of his life
That's what life offers you.. Live long enough to be same as everyone you once hated when you were younger and innocent to the ways of the world.. Until you find out nothing is the same any more as you get older! 🍷
no, he something none of have. a true purpose. plus he felt special and important. i would say he had an amazing life.
This was quite a unique movie that flew under a lot of people's radars. I appreciate you taking the time to make this video.
This character had a mobius strip character arc. I liked it!
If Heinlein wrote this story no wonder it was good, man is a legend and a master. RIP
Great analysis. I like to think that Robertson is also Jane, at a point somewhere between the Barkeep and the Fizzle Bomber. As if it were the stress of that executive position, pulling all the strings, that finally snapped their mind.
Now that you’ve done this movie, you should try to tackle Netflix’s snow “Dark”. That was some confusing time travel.
I found dark superboring......they kept going back to the past and future just to complain about how terrible the towns people were.....boring!!!!
@@macruz8503 holy crap. I guess you have a little brain to find Dark, one of the greatest series ever created, boring 🙄🙄
theindian mom: Boring AF......just a bunch of people complaining about other horrible people. Nothing great about it! No, great story. No, great character development. Why do you find it good?
theindian mom: I thought so.
Watching Dark was confusing at times, but I enjoyed it thoroughly. I recently listened to the full version of the intro song I gives you a clue to the finale
Thank you for all the videos you make I have a new found interest in film.
Absolutely love this channel. Been here since 40k (which wasn’t long ago) and knew you’d blow up. Still weird to see you leap towards 1mil after every video. You deserve it all man!
The John and Jane story is paradox by it self and it is one of the most strange and talked paradoxes in the internet...
As always another great video ☺️, keep up the great work bud. Honestly can say your one of my favorite channels, you consistently do a amazing break downs but are never boring.
The most thought provocative film I've ever seen, on the grandfather's paradox!
Predestination is an extraordinary look at "Cause and effect" of time travel in a screenplay.
This film beautifully written opens the possibility our reality is already written.
Thanks for this video my man!!
I’ve been obsessed with this movie for soo long..
Thanks for your content!!
Keep it up!!
Love your videos. This film is definitely one of my favourites now, would never have watched it without your recommendation. Keep up the good work.
Wonderful. I recall almost earning a scar scratching my head making sense of the layered loopings and scaffolded mechanics of this film. I got it, but the counter infinity of such a closed system seemed so supremely daunting. Thank you.
Finally! I been waiting for your analysis of this movie.
I like the new style. Good job Niat. I watched the movie a few years ago and was given the impression that it would be better not to exist than destroy your life over and over.
I’ve been looking for an analysis of the Predestination movie. Thank you for your informed analysis. Great work 👍
Haven't seen it. Very much looking forward to it now! Great content as always!👍👊
Your last two video have been on movies that deal with changing a predetermined outcome for the characters. Keeping with that theme, I feel that a great movie for you to do a video on would be The Adjustment Bureau. Until tonight I had not seen this movie since it had come out, but after browsing the HBO catalog I had decided that I wanted to see it again and watch it again now that my taste in movies has matured since I had last seen it as a 16 year old. I do not hear much talk about this movie but I really enjoyed it and think that you could have a lot of fun looking into the men with hats, the plan, and the system of doors that work all over the world. It is a really creative film and I would very much enjoy seeing you do a video on it. Keep up the good work! Even if you do not do the movie, or even see this comment, I can still imagine how great of a video you would make about this movie. Thanks for all of the entertainment you have provided me in the last couple of weeks!
this movie is one of those movies where you HAVE to watch at least twice. and you get a different feel for it on each rewatch
Super interesting movie! Thank you for covering it, an amazing exploration and explanation as usual!
This was excellent as usual. Love your channel.
this was such an awesome video, thank you for your hard work!!!
I am loving the selection of films you have made currently. I am glad that someone is taking an interest in these criminally underrated films. Could I make a request to cover Frank miller's the dark knight strikes again?
I was hoping that the movie would be explained within the context of the word 'predestination' through both of its potential meanings. This was by far a better evaluation of the film than the other popular explanation of the film on RUclips!
If I may what are the two potential meanings..
One of my favourite channels thanks again for the content.
Moral: Inbreeding causes time loops.
Or... maybe time loops cause inbreeding... what came first the chicken or the egg?
No it's all predestined by some asshole no offence to assholes...
This is my #1 favorite movie, it's the most complex mindbender I've ever seen. I must tip my hat to you on your incredibly thorough breakdown. 🤘😶🤘
I'm from one day in the past:
When I watched Predestination I recalled seen the plot somewhere else. Finally I realized that Michio Kaku mentioned the story in his book 'Hyperspace: A Scientific Odyssey through Parallel Universes, Time Warps, and the Tenth Dimension '.
I remember watching this movie in the hospital a while ago and it blew my mind completely and had nobody to talk about it with
Your videos are awesome man! I love listening to your bios when I'm working on class work or things around the house and greatly enjoy the in depth looks into series I had never heard of before, but now plan on checking out.
As some time ago you did a video on the Mass Effect series and only talked about the reapers. Could you maybe look into doing a mass effect series video? Maybe something on each of the core species like the Krogen and Protheans? I'm a massive fan of the games and would love to hear more about them from you!
Thanks for being so awesome!
This is one of my favorite films, I always recommend it/ Thanks for doing it, I love your videos, If one day you could, Perfume Story of a murderer is a film that hardly anyone, including this one, made any decent exploring video of. An underrated film.
i like the movie "PREDESTINATION" and other time related movies because they have a unique way of connecting to something very human inside all of us, our obsession with the past, and our desire to change specific events in our past.
One of my all time favorite movies...
Not to everyone's taste though, but so rewarding once you let it in... 👍🏼
Man I love this Channel. I'm so glad I subscribed ages ago hahaha
As always, great video ❤❤❤
This is the second movie that I probably should've watched before watching your exploration of it. Guess I'm going to start watching the movies you've covered first X'D
Your explanation was enjoyable and easy to understand, good video.
This makes me about The TDE(Time Displacement Equipment) from The Terminator franchise.
I would like to know how and when Skynet created this machine.
the only difference is I dont think Skynet wouldent have become self aware enough to have learned enough about the Theories of Paradoxes let alone either the Pre Destination or Grand Father Paradoxes.
it's been a long time since you have done a comic book video. wish you would...love the channel
Great analyse i love the drawings .
Thank you!!!
Always weird to see an old workplace in a movie. Parts of this were shot in a university building in Melbourne Australia where I have spent many hours. That long stairwell and the rooms with the round window are unforgettable. got some amazing photos there over the years.
Finally a video about this movie😊 This movie really got me and my dad to watch it twice after just watching it🤣. By far a great movie I always recommend my friends😊
Love your work
I watched this for the first time yesterday I loved it
The egg came first because it evolved before chickens witch means the fist True chicken population was born from a population of not true chickens that laid eggs so the egg came first and the first egg was created by what were likely some arthropods but if you’re thinking of the eggs that would lead to chicken eggs they were likely evolved by the first fish that lead to tetrapods so yeah the egg is not only first but it existed before the idea of chickens was even comprehendible
Long explaination but zero dumb knowledge
Well needless to say te fact that is one of my favorite movies I have to thank you for yet another amazing analysis , as it stands untill now you have been one of the first to discuss this movie thank you. I believe that his purpose is to question your own existence and choices that you take and also show that some of them are a sure thing to happen everything realise on one another as such your future is not unknown is a certitude such as death that comes by your own "free will". I admit that after I've watched this for the first time I enjoyed the role playing and the dialogue without taking a deeper view inside what it meant. Thanks once again and I hope you might check out Mr Nobody some day .
Great movie and great review, thank you.
Found and fell in love with the song "I'm my own grandpa" because of this film.
I just watched the film off the back of your Looper Video. Now I've seen this you tube explaination. Ouch my head hurts. I love films that make you think. Peace UK.
👍. Always Great! Odd side comment: I feel if I had not grown up as a Boomer; and with LIBRARIES & Summer School Reading lists and Parents who taught us to Love Books, I wouldn’t have such a good grasp on plots or themes. Maybe because while Reading, you naturally can get MORE involved ( I feel) because I is a slower process with less outside distractions. Happy Sci-Fi!
Jane was the Strong & the Weak force, inseparable, and Barkeep was the Electromagnetic force. The Gravity was emotionless guy lightly appearing yet weighting them down.
I am really enjoying this exploration of time travel films and their philosophical ideas, thank you!
Have you considered exploring Timecrimes (Los Cronocrímenes)? It deals with similar ideas to Predestination, but in a much smaller closed loop!
This film takes "loving yourself" to a level
great break down!!
Love this guy... nice new intro
wow. this was an excellent explanation
Rented this excellent movie on prime because of you. Well worth the 99 cents! Thanks.
Criminally underrated film.
WTH! Is this freaky coincidence. I literally watched this movie yesterday.
Or did you? 🤔😅
I literally recommended this to someone 2 days ago and haven’t seen it in years. WTH!
Same happened to me a while ago. I watched a movie and on the same day some youtuber might be this guy I dont remember posted a video on that movie. I dont remember the movie tho. My memory is shit.
Guessing people watch this after TENET..
Not a coincidence. Algorithm.
Thank you for doing this movie it’s so underrated, and unknown
This movie actually made my head spin. That bar convo had me 😳
omg 2 in 1, your the best man \m/
Greatest explanation I've ever seen!
Did you ever notice at 9:01 of the movie, the main character is at the bar server himself but he is also sititng in the corner of the room when everyone stands up and cheers LOL
"The Snake That Eats Its Own Tail, Forever and Ever. I know where I came from---but where did all you zombies come from?"
"You aren't really there at all. There isn't anybody but me---Jane---here alone in the dark."
"I miss you dreadfully!"
A zombie is a creature who has no mind, seeks to canabalize the living, and operates out of habit or instinct rather than rationality or compassion. It is a fitting title for a story where the main character would kill himself.
I find no mention of vanity peculiar , falling in love with ones self and having child knowingly. I thought that was most interesting. I understand time paradoxes very well.
Whoa whoa whoa I missed your uploads for a few weeks and the production has gone way up. A+!
Also by chance do you watch other channels that do reviews?
i adore this movie, when i first watched it i was blown away with the twists and turns
4:12 you kind of gloss over this point, but if Jane was raised in an orphanage, and later became John, how did he/she become barkeep? I know the facial reconstruction is supposed to be a magic wand but they have different heights and builds and body types....
Jane applied for the agency but was rejected because she was a woman (loop - Barkeep and John goes back in time at this point so John can impregnate Jane as a safeguard to keep the loop going) Jane gives birth, Barkeep takes the baby and stashes it presumably in his apartment, Barkeep goes back to John (scene where John leaves Jane at the bench; before the childbirth and operation) Barkeep and John meets Fizzle Bomber, John’s face gets messed up then retreats back to the Agency for reconstruction. Barkeep goes for the baby and places it back in time at the orphanage ensuring that the loop will continue.
Barkeep becomes Fizzle Bomber (since he shot him)
John becomes Barkeep (knowing that he experienced what happened on the other side of the table as Jane so he knows exactly what to do to keep the loop, plus you should take note that John is an agent of the Agency and that the bar was situated at a point in time where the Fizzle Bomber was active so it was an essential time point, this was a constant. John has to go back at this point of time to ensure that he’ll meet his other self thus also keeping the loop alive)
Baby becomes Jane
Male hormones over time?
This is more a continuity in casting error and not so much a problem with a plot hole. I would say the casting director/ director of photography is to blame. One could say you are to blame for not suspending disbelief.
I watched this movie without knowing what it was about. I hadn't heard of it nor seen any previews
it blew me away
Man..thanks for this
Just found your channel....great content! Can you breakdown Primer?
ironically it's determinism by free-will choice as there are multiple points where the main character can choose to go a different way but, out of fear, doesn't
Sarah Snook deserves an oscar for that movie, to the best actress
FilmComicsExplained, if you enjoy time loops and paradoxes I highly suggest the Netflix show Dark. It is so complex and stunning as a crime/sci-fi show and would be great if you reviewed it. Thanks!
I know they're available online but I myself TRIED to make my own "Character/Family Tree" and gave up. Lol
D A R K really seems to take this time loop concept to the next fucking level.